Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues vs mounting SD card
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:42:07 -0400 Anton Aylward wrote: >On 2019-03-17 12:31 p.m., darkta...@911networks.com wrote: >> Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the >> image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and >> removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable >> option. > >Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. > >"remove"? "one image at a time"? > >That's not my work-flow. > >I _remove_ the SD card from the camera. >I put the SD card into the slot on the computer. >I 'mount' the SD card as an 'external drive' >I 'mv' *all* the images from the SD card to an 'INCOMING' directory >I 'umount' the SD card, remove it from the computer and replace it >in the camera. > >I can then work on the any and all of the images that are now on my >hard drive. There is no 'remove the sd card every couple of >photos'. *ALL* the photos are available to DT The 'INCOMING' is >just another film roll as far as DT is concerned. For me, it's very different. 1. I'm taking headshots and I want to show the person what they are doing and how we are progressing 2. I'm making photos of dogs and we need to see the leg position vs the ears and we need to see if there is some "extra stuff" that shouldn't be there... I can only see these things on large screen. 15" is a start... -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues vs mounting SD card
On 2019-03-17 12:31 p.m., darkta...@911networks.com wrote: > Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image > large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the > sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. "remove"? "one image at a time"? That's not my work-flow. I _remove_ the SD card from the camera. I put the SD card into the slot on the computer. I 'mount' the SD card as an 'external drive' I 'mv' *all* the images from the SD card to an 'INCOMING' directory I 'umount' the SD card, remove it from the computer and replace it in the camera. I can then work on the any and all of the images that are now on my hard drive. There is no 'remove the sd card every couple of photos'. *ALL* the photos are available to DT The 'INCOMING' is just another film roll as far as DT is concerned. As it happens, my basic work-flow is that my 'INCOMING' is either by project or by year-month. of course how you organise and tag your images is entirely up to you, but the point here is that transferring directly from the SD card is not a 'process one at a time' matter. -- Sacred cows make the best hamburgers. --Mark Twain darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
Thanks Patrick, I will do that! The reason why I first ask around this mailgroup is that I want to be sure I'm not the only one, or that I forget one or the other setting ;). Op 17-03-19 om 18:34 schreef Patrick Shanahan: * darkta...@911networks.com [03-17-19 12:40]: DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured and then everything freezes. Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? sknahT vyS On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 Kneops wrote: I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to memory card. Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org so you have decided that there is a problem. to get that problem fixed, someone will need to file a bug report including observed problems and their environment (camera, dt ver, operating system, ... ) in case you didn't know, the addr is: https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/issues be explicit, you are the ONLY one who sees what you see. others may see similar but ... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues
* Anton Aylward [03-17-19 19:28]: > On 2019-03-17 11:05 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > In this case I believe "tethering" refers to controlling the camera using > > the computer screen/controls rather than "just" to transfer images. > > Ah, thank you Patrick. > So 'tethering-for-control-in-real-time' as opposed to 'tethering-for-upload'. > > Yes, I've done that, "in the field". But my PC is a desktop Dell tower > connected via switch to my router and a few other networked devices like the > printer. It is not the kind of thing I could carry about in the field unless > I > wanted to lug a Honda generator as well. I suppose if this were a lab and the > camera was attached to a microscope or an oscilloscope it would be different. you take it to far. normally a laptop or a cell phone or tablet would be utilized. > HOWEVER > The idea of a larger screen than the 3" on on the back of the camera appeals. > And yes, I've done that 'in the field'. My phone is only 5.5" but that still > larger. I had an android application that did that. I like the swing-out > screen on the Canon more than the swing-down screen on the Sony. This was > better. I also have a 12" Android tablet and that was glorious as a > viewscreen! > > But the workflow was awful! > There's no practical way to hold the camera and the tablet, not enough arms. > One or the other or, eventually, both, had to be on tripods. (As it happens I > have a third tripod for the flash.) If you can make you workflow happen > around > that, more likely in the studio, then fine. I'm not a studio photographer; > I'm > out on the street, trails, ravines and the like, so this was just an > experiment > for me. I don't recall the program, but I'm sure you can search the > PlayStore. > I tried three that worked well enough for what they were. maybe why a tripod or table clamp would be used. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues
On 2019-03-17 11:05 a.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote: > In this case I believe "tethering" refers to controlling the camera using > the computer screen/controls rather than "just" to transfer images. Ah, thank you Patrick. So 'tethering-for-control-in-real-time' as opposed to 'tethering-for-upload'. Yes, I've done that, "in the field". But my PC is a desktop Dell tower connected via switch to my router and a few other networked devices like the printer. It is not the kind of thing I could carry about in the field unless I wanted to lug a Honda generator as well. I suppose if this were a lab and the camera was attached to a microscope or an oscilloscope it would be different. HOWEVER The idea of a larger screen than the 3" on on the back of the camera appeals. And yes, I've done that 'in the field'. My phone is only 5.5" but that still larger. I had an android application that did that. I like the swing-out screen on the Canon more than the swing-down screen on the Sony. This was better. I also have a 12" Android tablet and that was glorious as a viewscreen! But the workflow was awful! There's no practical way to hold the camera and the tablet, not enough arms. One or the other or, eventually, both, had to be on tripods. (As it happens I have a third tripod for the flash.) If you can make you workflow happen around that, more likely in the studio, then fine. I'm not a studio photographer; I'm out on the street, trails, ravines and the like, so this was just an experiment for me. I don't recall the program, but I'm sure you can search the PlayStore. I tried three that worked well enough for what they were. -- I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. Dwight D. Eisenhower darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
Duly noted and done. Thanks for the prod, Patrick. -- "There are no bad pictures; that's just how your face looks sometimes." - Abraham Lincoln -- On 3/17/19 1:35 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [03-17-19 12:50]: I do hope that one day I'll be able to tether my Lumix G9 to darktable, either on Windows or Ubuntu Linux. The good news is that in the meantime, I can use the Lumix Tether app, but I'm not that impressed by it. Willy Williams * On 3/17/2019 at 12:31, darkta...@911networks.com wrote: DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured and then everything freezes. Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? sknahT vyS On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 Kneops wrote: I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to memory card. Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org unless you take the time to report what you see, likelihood of someone else taking time to craft a fix is minimal, https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/issues darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
Funny you mention that because I too have used it many times before with version 2.4 and I think also a few times with 2.6. So it could very well be an issue with either 2.6.1 or somehting else that udpated at the same time. Op 17-03-19 om 17:31 schreef darkta...@911networks.com: DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured and then everything freezes. Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? sknahT vyS On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 Kneops wrote: I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to memory card. Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues
Just scant everything without tethering and on the card. That works too ofcourse, but tethering is a nice option. I use a fast Sony XQD card reader, so transfering doesn't take too long. Op 17-03-19 om 15:42 schreef Anton Aylward: My experiences with tethering using Linux openSuse, and with my Sony and my Canon and my Fuji, and not just with DT but with other applications left me unsatisfied. I find it is slow and drains the batter something awful! I've completely given up on tethering. Now I just pop the card into the PC's reader and use my browser to move the files. The card looks like another disk and the transfer rate is a lot faster than the serial like of USB cables. I get none of the problems mentioned in this thread. I can imagine "out in the field", lacking spacer cards after a days intensive shooting and having filled what I have, and having no PC and laptop, laving to 'tether' to a portable hard drive to 'unload' the camera. But that is a completely different use case and doesn't involve DT. I strongly advise transferring from the card rather than tethering. The worst case is that you will need a card reader to plug into the USB port on your PC. You can get on on eBay for under a dollar, less than the cost a USB cable; Sometimes they come free with SD cards :-) I'm a proponent of K.I.S.S. If tethering doesn't work for you, if the work-flow is too awkward, the go with something that does work, that eases the work-flow. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
* Willy Williams [03-17-19 12:50]: > I do hope that one day I'll be able to tether my Lumix G9 to darktable, > either on Windows or Ubuntu Linux. The good news is that in the meantime, I > can use the Lumix Tether app, but I'm not that impressed by it. > > Willy Williams > > * > > On 3/17/2019 at 12:31, darkta...@911networks.com wrote: > > DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro > > > > I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured > > and then everything freezes. > > > > Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image > > large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the > > sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. > > > > With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 > > > > Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? > > > > sknahT > > > > vyS > > > > On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 > > Kneops wrote: > > > > > I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just > > > that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can > > > only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I > > > will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to > > > memory card. > > > > > > > > > > > > Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: > > > > Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : > > > > > Any ideas about this? > > > > No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. > > > > Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience > > > > with previous camera and dt version. > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org unless you take the time to report what you see, likelihood of someone else taking time to craft a fix is minimal, https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/issues -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
* darkta...@911networks.com [03-17-19 12:40]: > DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro > > I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured > and then everything freezes. > > Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image > large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the > sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. > > With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 > > Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? > > sknahT > > vyS > > On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 > Kneops wrote: > > >I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just > >that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can > >only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I > >will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to > >memory card. > > > > > > > >Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: > >> Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : > >>> Any ideas about this? > >> No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. > >> Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience > >> with previous camera and dt version. > >> > > > > > >darktable user mailing list > >to unsubscribe send a mail to > >darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > > > -- > sknahT > > vyS > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org so you have decided that there is a problem. to get that problem fixed, someone will need to file a bug report including observed problems and their environment (camera, dt ver, operating system, ... ) in case you didn't know, the addr is: https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/issues be explicit, you are the ONLY one who sees what you see. others may see similar but ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
I do hope that one day I'll be able to tether my Lumix G9 to darktable, either on Windows or Ubuntu Linux. The good news is that in the meantime, I can use the Lumix Tether app, but I'm not that impressed by it. Willy Williams * On 3/17/2019 at 12:31, darkta...@911networks.com wrote: DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured and then everything freezes. Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? sknahT vyS On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 Kneops wrote: I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to memory card. Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
DT 2.6.1 on Manjaro I have the same problem but me it's my Fuji. First image is captured and then everything freezes. Removing the SD card is a bad option, because I want to see the image large so I can keep on working to make it look right and removing the sd card every couple of photos is not a viable option. With DT 2.4 serie, it used to work. Not with 2.6.0 and not with 2.6.1 Is the problem with DT or with libgphoto? sknahT vyS On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:11:42 +0100 Kneops wrote: >I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just >that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can >only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I >will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to >memory card. > > > >Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: >> Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : >>> Any ideas about this? >> No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. >> Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience >> with previous camera and dt version. >> > > >darktable user mailing list >to unsubscribe send a mail to >darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues
* Anton Aylward [03-17-19 10:55]: > My experiences with tethering using Linux openSuse, and with my Sony and my > Canon and my Fuji, and not just with DT but with other applications left me > unsatisfied. > > I find it is slow and drains the batter something awful! > > I've completely given up on tethering. > Now I just pop the card into the PC's reader and use my browser to move the > files. The card looks like another disk and the transfer rate is a lot faster > than the serial like of USB cables. I get none of the problems mentioned in > this thread. > > I can imagine "out in the field", lacking spacer cards after a days intensive > shooting and having filled what I have, and having no PC and laptop, laving to > 'tether' to a portable hard drive to 'unload' the camera. But that is a > completely different use case and doesn't involve DT. > > I strongly advise transferring from the card rather than tethering. > The worst case is that you will need a card reader to plug into the USB port > on > your PC. You can get on on eBay for under a dollar, less than the cost a USB > cable; Sometimes they come free with SD cards :-) > > I'm a proponent of K.I.S.S. If tethering doesn't work for you, if the > work-flow > is too awkward, the go with something that does work, that eases the > work-flow. In this case I believe "tethering" refers to controlling the camera using the computer screen/controls rather than "just" to transfer images. fwiw: I have successfully "tethered" 4 different nikon bodies at one time or another but that scenario does not fit my present workflow. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues
My experiences with tethering using Linux openSuse, and with my Sony and my Canon and my Fuji, and not just with DT but with other applications left me unsatisfied. I find it is slow and drains the batter something awful! I've completely given up on tethering. Now I just pop the card into the PC's reader and use my browser to move the files. The card looks like another disk and the transfer rate is a lot faster than the serial like of USB cables. I get none of the problems mentioned in this thread. I can imagine "out in the field", lacking spacer cards after a days intensive shooting and having filled what I have, and having no PC and laptop, laving to 'tether' to a portable hard drive to 'unload' the camera. But that is a completely different use case and doesn't involve DT. I strongly advise transferring from the card rather than tethering. The worst case is that you will need a card reader to plug into the USB port on your PC. You can get on on eBay for under a dollar, less than the cost a USB cable; Sometimes they come free with SD cards :-) I'm a proponent of K.I.S.S. If tethering doesn't work for you, if the work-flow is too awkward, the go with something that does work, that eases the work-flow. -- The only truly safe embedded system is one with an axe embedded in it. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
I noticed that the images are captured and saved on disk, it's just that DT freezes and I have to quit and restart, but then again I can only capture one image until it freezes again. Oh well, for now I will be using the cameras live view to scan and copy images to memory card. Op 17-03-19 om 11:27 schreef Pascal Obry: Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Tethering issues with the Nikon D850
Le dimanche 17 mars 2019 à 11:22 +0100, Kneops a écrit : > Any ideas about this? No, last time I tested tethering with my D850 it worked just fine. Zero issue I was even impressed by this as I had mixed experience with previous camera and dt version. -- Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) The best way to travel is by means of imagination http://www.obry.net gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
