Uploaded sysklogd 1.4.1-2 (m68k) to erlangen

2001-04-26 Thread m68k build daemon
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:06:02 +0200
Source: sysklogd
Binary: sysklogd klogd
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.4.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 klogd  - Kernel logging daemon
 sysklogd   - System logging daemons
Closes: 90534 90582 90970 93922
Changes: 
 sysklogd (1.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Corrected location of GPL (closes: Bug#90582)
   * Added section and priority for binary packages
   * Added dependency to klogd so people who upgrade their sysklogd package
 won't lose it anymore (closes: Bug#93922)
   * Added code snipped to stop klogd/syslogd upon removal (closes:
 Bug#90534, Bug#90970)
Files: 
 603810499cab338ac300f319cad32fba 51816 base required sysklogd_1.4.1-2_m68k.deb
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Uploaded escm 1.1-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:56:56 +0900
Source: escm
Binary: escm
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.1-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Hatta Shuzo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 escm   - Embedded Scheme Processor
Closes: 94949
Changes: 
 escm (1.1-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * applied a patch for debian/rules from Eric Gillespie Jr.
 (closes: Bug#94949)
   * delete duplicated page from escm.1
Files: 
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Uploaded slmon 0.4.1-2 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:09:16 +0100
Source: slmon
Binary: slmon
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.4.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Alan Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 slmon  - A simple S-Lang based system performance monitor
Closes: 94317 95055
Changes: 
 slmon (0.4.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fix build-depends, closes: #94317, #95055
Files: 
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Uploaded gthumb 0.6-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:08:08 +0200
Source: gthumb
Binary: gthumb
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.6-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Remco van de Meent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 gthumb - an image viewer and browser for GNOME
Changes: 
 gthumb (0.6-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
Files: 
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Uploaded smpeg 0.4.3-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:43:09 -0400
Source: smpeg
Binary: smpeg-plaympeg libsmpeg0 libsmpeg-dev
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.4.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Joe Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libsmpeg-dev - SDL MPEG Player Library - development files
 libsmpeg0  - SDL MPEG Player Library - shared libraries
 smpeg-plaympeg - SMPEG command line MPEG audio/video player
Changes: 
 smpeg (0.4.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
   * Put libsmpeg0 in section libs, libsmpeg-dev in devel to agree with the
 overrides file
   * Updated build-depends to libsdl1.2, added xlibs-dev to build-depends
   * My audio timestamp patch integrated upstream, removed from diff
Files: 
 9b2535058670f8b2b945b7f141442323 92800 libs optional libsmpeg0_0.4.3-1_m68k.deb
 df8ad05990b982ec831b20b40ab3f374 92256 devel optional 
libsmpeg-dev_0.4.3-1_m68k.deb
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Uploaded xpaste 1.1-13 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:14:34 +0200
Source: xpaste
Binary: xpaste
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.1-13
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 xpaste - A program to display the contents of the primary paste buffer.
Changes: 
 xpaste (1.1-13) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * OK, now really changed the Maintainer field.
   * Changed priority to optional.
Files: 
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Uploaded bonnie++ 1.01b-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:30:18 +0100
Source: bonnie++
Binary: bonnie++
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.01b-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 bonnie++   - Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.
Closes: 94349
Changes: 
 bonnie++ (1.01b-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Compiled with GCC 2.95 for Debian.
 Closes:#94349
Files: 
 4d2e4ceb6e07315af6f59251412f1b1b 40832 utils optional bonnie++_1.01b-1_m68k.deb

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Uploaded gxedit 1.23-7 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:19:58 -0700
Source: gxedit
Binary: gxproc gtk-shell gxedit
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.23-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 gtk-shell  - GTK-based Pop-up command to get user input
 gxedit - GTK-based text editor
 gxproc - GTK-based utility to show system information
Closes: 94885
Changes: 
 gxedit (1.23-7) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * patched gtk-shell -ef to print an error message when it is unable to
 save a file, rather than crashing (closes:#94885)
Files: 
 6bff899ff833b76a00ef133a7d9d1483 130962 editors optional gxedit_1.23-7_m68k.deb
 ec95ed9c74148e1905ebdb12ee4fd6a3 13710 utils optional gtk-shell_1.23-7_m68k.deb
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Uploaded sipp 3.1-7 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:50:25 -0400
Source: sipp
Binary: sipp-dev sipp
Architecture: m68k
Version: 3.1-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matthew Danish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 sipp   - create and render 3-d scenes
 sipp-dev   - development library for sipp
Changes: 
 sipp (3.1-7) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated Standards Version
Files: 
 fa8eae6a27500d36dca3c79c20c6f93a 44792 libs optional sipp_3.1-7_m68k.deb
 45677a4f0fb2da367f93b63cf147154b 310068 devel optional sipp-dev_3.1-7_m68k.deb

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Uploaded libunicode 0.4.0-2 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:04:05 +0200
Source: libunicode
Binary: libunicode-dev libunicode0
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.4.0-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Vincent Renardias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libunicode-dev - The GNOME Unicode library - development files.
 libunicode0 - The GNOME Unicode library.
Closes: 95081
Changes: 
 libunicode (0.4.0-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated config.{guess,sub} files.
 Closes: #95081.
Files: 
 85b1b33db4153a739b554759ddda4a7a 58054 libs extra libunicode0_0.4.0-2_m68k.deb
 e4354c81c8dbdf0f4b0b06f3618d1dc1 53676 devel extra 
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Uploaded ispell-da 1.4.13-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 apr 2001 14:53:54 +0200
Source: ispell-da
Binary: idanish wdanish
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.4.13-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Peter Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 idanish- The Danish dictionary for ispell.
Changes: 
 ispell-da (1.4.13-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream
Files: 
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Uploaded etherape 0.6.7-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:09:14 +0200
Source: etherape
Binary: etherape
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.6.7-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Frederic Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 etherape   - Graphical network monitor modeled after etherman.
Changes: 
 etherape (0.6.7-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
Files: 
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Uploaded fmirror 0.8.4-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:03:50 +0200
Source: fmirror
Binary: fmirror
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2:0.8.4-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Antonin Kral [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 fmirror- memory efficient ftp mirror program
Closes: 95121
Changes: 
 fmirror (2:0.8.4-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * end of line sequence fixed, right sequence, according to RFC959
   is CRLF, Closes: #95121
Files: 
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Uploaded dhid 4.0.1-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:12:18 +0200
Source: dhid
Binary: dhid
Architecture: m68k
Version: 4.0.1-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Manuel Estrada Sainz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 dhid   - Dynamic Host Information System (DHIS) client
Changes: 
 dhid (4.0.1-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * build-depend on libgmp3-dev insted of libgmp2-dev.
Files: 
 4caa9b9025d12c3e3a027b8271791ebd 19482 net optional dhid_4.0.1-4_m68k.deb

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Uploaded libsmi 0.2.16-2 (m68k) to erlangen

2001-04-26 Thread buildd m68k user account
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:33:28 +0200
Source: libsmi
Binary: libsmi2-dev libsmi2
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.2.16-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: buildd m68k user account [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Remco van de Meent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libsmi2- A library to access SMI MIB information
 libsmi2-dev - A library to access SMI MIB information (development files)
Closes: 95079
Changes: 
 libsmi (0.2.16-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Updated config.{guess,sub} using upstream CVS (closes: #95079)
Files: 
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libsmi2_0.2.16-2_m68k.deb
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Uploaded thrust 0.89-12 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:08:22 +0200
Source: thrust
Binary: thrust
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.89-12
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: RISKO Gergely [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 thrust - a port of the classic Commodore 64 game
Closes: 95008
Changes: 
 thrust (0.89-12) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * alpha svgalib build-depend removed (Closes: Bug#95008)
Files: 
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Uploaded mopd 2.5.4-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:15:55 -0700
Source: mopd
Binary: mopd
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.5.4-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: David Whedon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 mopd   - The Maintenance Operations Protocol (MOP) loader daemon.
Closes: 94856
Changes: 
 mopd (2.5.4-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * fix build failure on alpha (closes: #94856)
Files: 
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Uploaded xsok 1.02-7 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:30:31 +0200
Source: xsok
Binary: xsok
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.02-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Joel Rosdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 xsok   - Generic Sokoban game for X11
Changes: 
 xsok (1.02-7) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Move whole /var/lib/games/xsok to /var/games/xsok.  Fixes: bug#94968.
Files: 
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Uploaded libpam-ldap 107-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/m68k Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:01:27 +0300
Source: libpam-ldap
Binary: libpam-ldap
Architecture: m68k
Version: 107-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sami Haahtinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libpam-ldap - Pluggable Authentication Module allowing LDAP interfaces
Closes: 94923
Changes: 
 libpam-ldap (107-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * there was a mysterious '| ' character in config. (Closes: #94923)
Files: 
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Uploaded xpenguins 1.2-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

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Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:39:16 +0200
Source: xpenguins
Binary: xpenguins
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.2-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k Build Daemon (buildd4) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 xpenguins  - little penguins walk on your windows
Closes: 86815
Changes: 
 xpenguins (1.2-4) unstable; urgency=low
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   * Added a menu item to stop xpenguins (closes: #86815)
Files: 
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Uploaded sendmail 8.11.3+8.12.0.Beta7-4 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:00:00 -0500
Source: sendmail
Binary: sendmail libmilter-dev sendmail-doc
Architecture: sparc
Version: 8.11.3+8.12.0.Beta7-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Richard A Nelson (Rick) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libmilter-dev - The sendmail Mail Filter API (Milter).
 sendmail   - A powerful mail transport agent.
 sendmail-doc - A powerful mail transport agent.
Closes: 94559 95068 95208
Changes: 
 sendmail (8.11.3+8.12.0.Beta7-4) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Bumped default confMAX_RUNNERS_PER_QUEUE from 1 to 5 - please
 customize this locally - I've added a note to the postinst to
 hit those that don't read changelogs.
   * sendmail startup now cleans and runs the MSP queue
   * Upstream patch to allow group readable key file (for MSP)
 and update submit.mc appropriately
   * Upstream patch to correct queue management and add some debugging
   * Upstream patch to fix a qf handling race
   * Upstream patch to fix SEGV in malloc
 closes: #95068
   * local patch (sent upstream) for compilation on PPC (thanks C.M. Connelly)
 closes: #94559
   * Correct Makefile rules for generating submit.cf
 closes: #95208
   * correct update_db/update_mc to better handle new install (missing *.mc
 and other databases).
Files: 
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sendmail_8.11.3+8.12.0.Beta7-4_sparc.deb
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Uploaded ttcn3parser 20010321-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:11 +
Source: ttcn3parser
Binary: ttcn3parser
Architecture: sparc
Version: 20010321-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: W. Borgert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 ttcn3parser - Parser for the TTCN-3 test specification language
Closes: 94871
Changes: 
 ttcn3parser (20010321-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version.
   * Added java-virtual-machine to build dependencies (closes: #94871).
Files: 
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Uploaded bash 2.05-4 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:32:36 +0200
Source: bash
Binary: bash-doc bash bash-builtins
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.05-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 bash   - The GNU Bourne Again SHell
 bash-builtins - Bash loadable builtins - headers  examples
Changes: 
 bash (2.05-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Apply upstream patches p1-p4 (closes #92455).
   * Fixed in bash-2.05-alpha1: closes #47588.
Files: 
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Uploaded display-dhammapada 0.21-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:55:45 -0500
Source: display-dhammapada
Binary: display-dhammapada
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.21-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 display-dhammapada - Displays verses from the Dhammapada.
Changes: 
 display-dhammapada (0.21-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version - only minor changes from alt1
   * UTF-8 man page and help
Files: 
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Uploaded abuse 2.00-27 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:30:33 +0300
Source: abuse
Binary: abuse
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.00-27
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Arto Jantunen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 abuse  - Crack dot Com's Abuse action game.
Changes: 
 abuse (2.00-27) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New Maintainer
   * Added Obsolete to the description
   * Changed depends to abuse-frabs | abuse-lib
   * Added recommends abuse-sdl
Files: 
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Uploaded devtodo 0.1.5-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:58:38 +0200
Source: devtodo
Binary: devtodo
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.1.5-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Arthur Korn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 devtodo- hierarchical, prioritized todo list manager
Closes: 91809 93641
Changes: 
 devtodo (0.1.5-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
 - missed --paranoid in 0.1.4, this is default in /etc/todorc, closes:
   #93641
 - 0.1.3 closes: #91809
   * Changed src/support.cc to allow paranoid in todorc files.
   * fiddled with doc/Makefile.am (missing - before the test, added
 $(manlinks)).
Files: 
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Uploaded commonc++ 1.4.2-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:19:30 -0400
Source: commonc++
Binary: libcommonc++-dev libcommonc++-1.4
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.4.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libcommonc++-1.4 - A GNU package for creating portable C++ programs
 libcommonc++-dev - Header files and static libraries for Common C++
Changes: 
 commonc++ (1.4.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload (soon to be de facto maintainer)
   * New upstream version.
Files: 
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libcommonc++-dev_1.4.2-1_sparc.deb
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Uploaded saoimage 1.29.3-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:05:24 +0200
Source: saoimage
Binary: saoimage
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.29.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Tinguaro Barreno Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 saoimage   - A utility for displaying and processing astronomical images.
Changes: 
 saoimage (1.29.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
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   * New upstream release.
Files: 
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Uploaded linpac 0.16pre2-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:38:14 -0300
Source: linpac
Binary: linpac
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.16pre2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: root [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 linpac - Terminal for packet radio with mail client
Changes: 
 linpac (0.16pre2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream source.
   * Fix Alpha compile. See bug #94872
Files: 
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Uploaded gcc-2.95 2.95.4.ds1-0.010424 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:10:11 +0200
Source: gcc-2.95
Binary: gcc-2.95-doc libstdc++2.10-dbg chill-2.95 g77-2.95-doc protoize-2.95 
cpp-2.95-doc gpc-2.95 gcc-2.95 g77-2.95 gobjc-2.95 g++-2.95 
libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 gpc-2.95-doc libg++2.8.1.3-dev cpp-2.95 gcj-2.95 
libstdc++2.10-dev libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 libg++2.8.1.3-dbg
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.95.4.ds1-0.010424
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 chill-2.95 - The GNU Chill compiler.
 cpp-2.95   - The GNU C preprocessor.
 g++-2.95   - The GNU C++ compiler.
 g77-2.95   - The GNU Fortran 77 compiler.
 gcc-2.95   - The GNU C compiler.
 gcj-2.95   - The GNU compiler for Java(TM).
 gobjc-2.95 - The GNU Objective-C compiler.
 gpc-2.95   - The GNU Pascal compiler.
 libg++2.8.1.3-dbg - The GNU C++ extension library - debugging files.
 libg++2.8.1.3-dev - The GNU C++ extension library - development files.
 libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 - The GNU C++ extension library - runtime version.
 libstdc++2.10-dbg - The GNU stdc++ library (debugging files)
 libstdc++2.10-dev - The GNU stdc++ library (development files)
 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 - The GNU stdc++ library
 protoize-2.95 - Create/remove ANSI prototypes from C code
Changes: 
 gcc-2.95 (2.95.4.ds1-0.010424) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Apply updated ppc-fsirl patch (function.c removed) for all archs again.
 urgency=high for powerpc.
   * Remove patches included in ppc-fsirl patch: ppc-descriptions, ppc-ice.
   * Correct build dependency (hurd-i386) (#94038).
   * debian/rules2: Get free memory correctly on hurd (#94127).
   * close #68452: ash is available on sparc and doesn't have any
 special build rules for sparc.
   * close #79882: bind-8.2.3 compiles fine on i386.
   * Alpha related bug fixed in 2.95.3 (closes #94137).
   * Fix typo in docs (-fstdc - -stdc). Closes #94894, #94899.
   * Not a bug: #93481 (see report).
Files: 
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Uploaded iptables 1.2.1a-2 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:05:26 -0400
Source: iptables
Binary: iptables
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.2.1a-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Laurence J. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 iptables   - IP packet filter administration for 2.4.X kernels
Changes: 
 iptables (1.2.1a-2) unstable; urgency=low
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   * restore ip6tables, patch provided by Marc Martinez
Files: 
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Uploaded shellutils 2.0.11-6 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:28:08 -0400
Source: shellutils
Binary: shellutils
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.0.11-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 shellutils - The GNU shell programming utilities.
Closes: 94569
Changes: 
 shellutils (2.0.11-6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Big note on pwd man page that your shell's pwd might not be /bin/pwd
   * Ditto for echo
   * Changes to zh.po to allow building with new gettext, build-dep on same
 (Closes: #94569)
Files: 
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Uploaded libgmp3 3.1.1-6 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:04:04 -0400
Source: libgmp3
Binary: libgmp3-dev libgmp3
Architecture: sparc
Version: 3.1.1-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Dale Scheetz (Dwarf #1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libgmp3- Multiprecision arithmetic library
 libgmp3-dev - Multiprecision arithmetic library developers tools.
Closes: 93361
Changes: 
 libgmp3 (3.1.1-6) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * changed config option to use --enable-mpbsd, creating the
   *needed mp libs, closes: #93361
Files: 
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Uploaded xbat 1.11-4 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-04-26 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Format: 1.7
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:54:44 +0200
Source: xbat
Binary: xbat
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.11-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Joost Kooij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 xbat   - A classic shoot-em-up game for X11.
Changes: 
 xbat (1.11-4) testing unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Add README.jp to doc files (Fixes: #40793).
   * Fix scoredir location to /var/games per FHS (Fixes: #92514).
   * Unbreak postinst (Fixes: #94771).
   * Fix build-depends: add xutils, xlibs-dev (Fixes: #95106).
   * Reundebhelperize.
   * Fix menu entry.
   * Drop sgid.  Must now be member of group games to save highscore.
   * Add unhandler for legacy suidmanager registrations to postinst.
   * Some tweaking and cleaning up of postinst and rules files.
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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:52:38 -0500
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Architecture: sparc
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/SPARC Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 make   - The GNU version of the make utility.
Closes: 89310
Changes: 
 make (3.79.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
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Re: Intent to package intel-rng-tools.

2001-04-26 Thread Viral
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:14:22PM -0700, Alexander Hvostov wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:35:37 +0530
 Viral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I am working on packaging intel-rng-tools. It is the daemon to utilise
  the RNG on i810 boards. Let me know if anyone is working on this. I
 shall
  otherwise upload it tonight.
 
 Isn't there a kernel driver for that?

Yes, but one needs the daemon to use the driver. One could activate it
from /proc, but that was removed and moved to a userland daemon.

viral


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Re: Base Bug Week, 30th April to 6th May

2001-04-26 Thread Brian May
 Martin == Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Martin Since the base system comprises our most important
Martin packages, virtually all of which are installed on any
Martin Debian system, your help is really needed!  While Bug
Martin Squashing Parties usually focus on Release Critical (RC)
Martin bugs, we should also try to get the number of normal (or
Martin even wishlist) bugs in the base as low as possible.  This
Martin involves writing patches or documentation -- everyone can
Martin help with this; also non developers are encouraged to
Martin participate.

What is the easiest way to upgrade only base packages without
upgrading anything else (unless required?).

Ideally I would like to upgrade/install anything section==base or
priority==required, but not anything else just yet (as I don't like
upgrading to much stuff, partly because of the huge bandwidth
required).

Is this possible without manually copyingpasting from dselect?
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RFC: Thoughts on building modules

2001-04-26 Thread Sam Hartman


One thing that strikes me as excellent about Debian is the build
system.  The autobuilders and tools make it very likely that package
builds are reproducible and a variety of tools like debhelper make it
easier to do the right thing in many circumstances than doing
something wrong.  I've come away from this experience convinced that
it is very important to have good tools for common tasks.

Sadly, I don't think building module packages for modules not in the
kernel lives up to the high standards of the rest of the Debian build
process.,especially for  module packages to work with stock kernels
and be uploaded to the Debian archive.  These concerns are mostly
technical and are to a great extent independent of 
how many kernel images we have, although obviously if there are a
lot of kernel images then autimation is even more important.

Manoj's kernel package provides an excellent tool for building custom
kernels for end users.  It also provides an adequate tool for end
users building modules for their kernels.  The modules are shipped
generally as tarballs that are unpacked into /usr/src/modules.  Then,
kernel-package generates .debs for each of these modules when
make-kpkg modules_image is run. The make-kpkg modules target is
intended for maintainers and is somewhat useful.  However, it has
several shortcomings for official modules package.  Because it is run
out of make-kpkg it is intended to build multiple modules for a single
kernel version.  It turns out what maintainers probably want is to
build multiple versions of the same module for different kernel
versions at once.  Also, module maintainers probably want to build on
multiple architectures.  With make-kpkg this means having an account
on multiple architectures.  It would be really nice to be able to take
advantage of the buildds to build modules for other architectures just
as the build non-module packages.



So, having established that we have some work to do, let's step back
and think about what is going on when you try and build modules.  Each
architecture has a set of kernel-images that are current.  Users
running a stock kernel are expected to install one of these images.
You as a module maintainer want to make it so that users can install a
version of your module for the stock kernel image  they have
selected.  So, for each architecture you want to find out what the
current set of stock kernel images are.  Normally, there will be at
least one old kernel version supported and one or more new kernel
versions; there may be multiple flavors/subarchitectures of each
kernel version.  There is currently no good way to find out what
kernel images are available.  You could grep through the packages
file, but that doesn't exclude images awaiting removal or images for
special purposes that are not stock images.

Assuming you do manage to find out what stock images exist, you need
to build your module for them.  There are roughly two approaches you
could take: using kernel headers or using kernel source.  Apparently
some/many modules require a kernel source tree; a kernel headers tree
is insufficient.  I don't actually know how common this is; I believe
the module I maintain could successfully build against a kernel
headers package if I tried.  If you are using make-kpkg to build your
modules then you must have a source tree.  For i386 apparently the
preferred way (according to kernel-image-i386 maintainer) is to use
kernel headers.  That may work fine for i386, but other architectures
(sparc and m68k were checked) only provide one kernel headers package,
not one kernel headers per flavor.  This is problematic because at
least according to the i386 kernel-image maintainer, we cannot
guarantee that modversions symbols will be the same between flavors,
so we cannot guarantee that modules built against one set of kernel
headers will work with other kernel flavors.


So, let's assume you want source for your kernel.  On i386 you're all
set; you basically just download the kernel source and build against
it.  On other platforms, it is more problematic.  For Sparc, there are
patches applied to the kernel  in the kernel-image-2.2-sparc package
for example.   PPC, m68k and ARM appear to actually generate
kernel-patch  packages for their architectures although I have seen
them get out of sync with the kernel images available in the archive.
Normally these patches don't seem to affect interfaces my modules care
about, so I can be sloppy and just download the kernel source
package.  However,  if we are talking about reproducible builds,
these patches matter, or at least an assertion that they will never
affect module builds.

There's also the issue of  dependencies.  When building most packages
one person is driving the need for rebuilds by changing the source
package.  Sometimes some library or policy will change  and you'll
have to rebuild even though there are not source changes you would
like to make.  However this is fairly rare, and tends not to be

Re: Base Bug Week, 30th April to 6th May

2001-04-26 Thread Gordon Sadler
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 02:52:11PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
  Martin == Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Martin Since the base system comprises our most important
 Martin packages, virtually all of which are installed on any
 Martin Debian system, your help is really needed!  While Bug
 Martin Squashing Parties usually focus on Release Critical (RC)
 Martin bugs, we should also try to get the number of normal (or
 Martin even wishlist) bugs in the base as low as possible.  This
 Martin involves writing patches or documentation -- everyone can
 Martin help with this; also non developers are encouraged to
 Martin participate.
 
 What is the easiest way to upgrade only base packages without
 upgrading anything else (unless required?).
 
 Ideally I would like to upgrade/install anything section==base or
 priority==required, but not anything else just yet (as I don't like
 upgrading to much stuff, partly because of the huge bandwidth
 required).
 
 Is this possible without manually copyingpasting from dselect?

Just enter dselect, then on each category that you have packages
installed, except for base/required, choose to hold them '='.

Should be that simple, although I haven't run dselect in months.

Gordon Sadler




Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread David Nusinow
On 25 Apr 2001 21:56:58 -0500, Rob Browning wrote:

 Just in case anyone else was confused, I'm still in favor of having at
 least *one* precompiled kernel per-architecture, so no one *has* to
 compile a kernel, but if they want a customized kernel, then,
 presuming the idea has merit, they would need to install the
 kernel-custom package, make a selection, and wait a bit.


I'm going to have to agree on this one. I don't think anyone should be
forced to compile a kernel, but if you care enough to want the
optimizations then you should go through the process of doing it for
yourself. That way, things will keep working quite well for those who
want it to just work, and for those who want to shear off a few k of
memory, they can do it for themselves. Everyone has a working kernel,
module debate is moot, extra mirror load is nil, and most all the other
major points of contention go away as well.

Just my $0.02

- David Nusinow
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 







Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:56:58PM -0500, Rob Browning wrote:
 Just in case anyone else was confused, I'm still in favor of having at
 least *one* precompiled kernel per-architecture, so no one *has* to
 compile a kernel,

i think everyone is in favour of that.

the issue is whether it's appropriate to have a dozen or so kernel-image
packages (and associated kernel-headers packages) per kernel version,
when one(*) will do.

(*) or whatever the minimum number is that will boot on all ia32 boxes.

craig
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Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:18:30AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
 I could disagree pretty heavily by pointing that this would be shit as
 it would add an hour to the install. Why not just provide a stock i386
 kernel and let people compile it later on? Some people need to patch
 in mm/swap patches, netfilter patches, their own hacks, etc, etc.

please pay attention. 

nobody (at least as far as i can tell) has suggested getting rid of the
stock kernel-image package, so there will be no effect at all on people
who just want to install the system and run it.

the point at issue is whether there should be dozens of kernel-image and
kernel-headers packages when one is enough to do the job.

craig

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Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-26 Thread zhaoway

You guys are getting more and more bureaucratic. That's sad.

The package maintainer is a volunteer, and he knows you are also a
developer. That said, why don't you report the bug directly to the
upstream, instead of insisting on this (bureaucratic) procedure of
reporting bugs to debian then waiting that debian developer to forward
upstream while both of you debian developers are pretty sure it's an
upstream issue? I agree that if you're a noname random clueless mere
user then the package maintainer shouldn't just close this usibility
bug blindly.

Bureaucracy sucks. Relying on bureaucracy sucks even more.

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Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
zhaoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The package maintainer is a volunteer, and he knows you are also a
 developer. That said, why don't you report the bug directly to the
 upstream, instead of insisting on this (bureaucratic) procedure of
 reporting bugs to debian then waiting that debian developer to forward
 upstream while both of you debian developers are pretty sure it's an
 upstream issue? I agree that if you're a noname random clueless mere
 user then the package maintainer shouldn't just close this usibility
 bug blindly.

There's a good reason.

First, it is the sort of thing that might well be correctly solved in
the Debian package and not upstream; that is, the best solution might
be to provide a Debian upgrade path rather than a Gnome upgrade path.

Second, I can't keep track of who upstream is for all the Debian
packages.

Third, the BTS is an exceptionally useful placeholder for work needed
here.  If the bug remains open in the BTS, then it serves to indicate
the existence of the problem until its solved, and someone might
actually fix it.  With Christian Marillat's excessively eager
bug-closing, one would never even know of such things.

I'm happy if Christian doesn't have the time or expertise to fix the
bug himself.  He should leave it as a bug, or forward it.  But I
don't know how to fix it is not a reason for closing the bug.

Thomas




Re: ITP: ttf-japanese-kandata

2001-04-26 Thread Osamu Aoki
Thank you very much for checking facts.

(I think if there is more to be discussed on this copyright, it should
be moved to debian-legal list.)

With your statement as presented, I had to concur with Branden. But I
actually think this can be made into DFSG free package if you present
copyright issues properly to the public with further documentation from
Wakaba-san / Uchida-san.  If there still remain any issues in some part
of FONT, you can always remove those portions from package and replace
them with the other PD fonts.  If someone spend time in the future and
provide patch to make them as homogeneous feel, that will make good FREE
font set.

As far as Uchida-san's portion is concerned, they are clearly PD.

Big question is what did Mr. Wakaba used as the base of glyph.  And how
far modification later affected the total collection.  If he started
with then popular PC9800's ROM fonts with mere 16x16 bitmap fonts as
starting point of making TT fonts, it may be well within fair use.

This becomes more so, if heavy manual editing occurred to make these TT
fonts to look homogeneous and legal shape.  If he took these from TT MS
fonts, maybe not. (Here I am talking complicated KANJI where 7
horizontal lines need to be identified within this small 16x16 bitmap
space.  It is equivalent of 8x8 in English)  Documenting history of this
font set and making them into clean set is the worthy cause.

Following may be useful as a reference point for the copyright law.

If I remember correctly, basic shape of glyph is not be copyrighted
since it is common to all fonts and should be legible.  Also for dot
matrix fonts, mere coincident does not make a violation of copyright due
to limited possibility of choice.

Also note that, even with new copyright law, font itself is not covered
by the copyright law in Japan.  (Software is covered.) Japan has not
verified WIPO 1997 treaty on this typeface thing either.  (That is my
web search result. IANAL.) 

I remember reading that ADOBE created postscript fonts in such a way
that they can claim them as a software in which shape is programmed
into a code.  (This is to make sure they keep their right under most
legal system.)  So copyright of fonts are slightly different issue from
ordinary software copyright in legal term.

Regards,

Osamu

On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:22:46AM +, Takashi Okamoto wrote:
 document were not remained yet. Mr. wakaba said I think there is no
 problem because I(wakaba) and Mr.UCHIDA remake a lot of glyphs and
 nobody point out the problem up to now. But I can't guarantee it.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Andreas Metzler
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 Summary: Herbert has started building 8 different flavors of
 kernel-image for i386.  These flavors correspond to CPU type; for
 example there is an appropriate kernel for people with 386 machines to
 run and an appropriate kernel for people with Athlon machines to run.
[...]
 I'd like to summarize my understanding of the tradeoffs that we have
 identified in the debian-devel discussion so that if we do turn this
 issue over to the committee, they will know what concerns we have
 already identified.  Please add to the following list if I have missed
 something. 
[...]
 performance: By having images optimized for each processor on i386
 users should see better performance.  I don't believe performance
 numbers were quantified in the discussion but quantifying performance
 is probably important to evaluating this tradeoff.
[...]

Hello!
_Afair_ it is necessary to run a k6 (or athlon) optimized kernel to
use 3DNow! in applications like xmms or lame. This probably applys to
ISSE, MTTR and MMX, too.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
 tia, cu andreas
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Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Brendan O'Dea
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:15:24PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:56:58PM -0500, Rob Browning wrote:
 Just in case anyone else was confused, I'm still in favor of having at
 least *one* precompiled kernel per-architecture, so no one *has* to
 compile a kernel,

i think everyone is in favour of that.

the issue is whether it's appropriate to have a dozen or so kernel-image
packages (and associated kernel-headers packages) per kernel version,
when one(*) will do.

Don't forget the proliferation of kernel modules in that count.  This
has already started with alsa recently, and I expect that more will
follow before too long:

alsa-modules-2.4.3-386
alsa-modules-2.4.3-586
alsa-modules-2.4.3-586tsc
alsa-modules-2.4.3-686
alsa-modules-2.4.3-686-smp
alsa-modules-2.4.3-k6
alsa-modules-2.4.3-k7
alsa-modules-2.4.3-pentium4
alsa-modules-2.4.3-pentiumiii
alsa-modules-2.4.3-pentiumiii-smp
kernel-headers-2.4.3
kernel-headers-2.4.3-386
kernel-headers-2.4.3-586
kernel-headers-2.4.3-586tsc
kernel-headers-2.4.3-686
kernel-headers-2.4.3-686-smp
kernel-headers-2.4.3-k6
kernel-headers-2.4.3-k7
kernel-headers-2.4.3-pentium4
kernel-headers-2.4.3-sparc
kernel-image-2.4.3-386
kernel-image-2.4.3-586
kernel-image-2.4.3-586tsc
kernel-image-2.4.3-686
kernel-image-2.4.3-686-smp
kernel-image-2.4.3-k6
kernel-image-2.4.3-k7
kernel-image-2.4.3-pentium4

Regards,
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libc6 broken?

2001-04-26 Thread Ulrich Wiederhold
Hello,
I upgraded to unstable and now, my libc6 seems to be borken.

If I try a ./configure or a make xconfig with a new Kernel, I get this
error-msg:
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

If I try a make menuconfig, I get:
debian:/usr/src/linux-2.4.3# make menuconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.3/scripts/lxdialog'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

 Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.

 You must have Ncurses installed in order
 to use 'make menuconfig'

make[1]: *** [ncurses] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.3/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2


I reinstalled my ncurseslibs and my libc6 packages, libstdc++-2.10-glibc
and so on, but still get the same error.

Any ideas?
(Using an upgraded unstable from today, did a dist-upgrade too)

Uli




Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Aaron Lehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've said before that over 2000 kernel configuration options exist and

Most of which can be decided at runtime once you start using initrd.
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Re: RFC: Thoughts on building modules

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I see three options.  We can have the modules built out of the main
 source package that also produces the architecture: all package
 containing the tarball for end users to use with kernel-package.
 Alternatively, we can have a separate modules source package for
 building only the module; this has the advantage of separating the
 module components from other components of the system, which is nice
 for things like PCMCIA and Openafs that have significant userspace
 components.  We could also try and get module building integrated into
 stock kernel source packages; this would have the advantage of

I personally prefer a variant of the second option, have a per-arch source
package which build-depends on a module-source .deb produced by the main
module source package.  The reason it has to be per-arch is given later in
your message, i.e., you don't want to recompile the i386 modules if the
alpha kernel gets updated.  The same per-arch package should build-depend
on the respective kernel-headers packages for the images that it wants to
build against.

BTW, this is how the kernel images are organised on alpha/i386/sparc.

If your module needs stuff outside kernel-headers, either it's doing
something wrong, or there's stuff in the kernel that needs to be moved
under include/.
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Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-26 Thread Shaul Karl
 On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
 
  Package: ng-cjk
  Priority: optional
  Section: editors
  Installed-Size: 164
  Maintainer: Yasuhiro Take [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Architecture: i386
  Source: ng
  Version: 1.4.3.1-1
  Depends: libc6 (= 2.2.1), libncurses5, ng-common
  Filename: pool/main/n/ng/ng-cjk_1.4.3.1-1_i386.deb
  Size: 73550
  MD5sum: dcf8a20ce9180fa42df
  [22:46:18 /tmp]$ wc /var/lib/dpkg/available
69953  307766 2547713 /var/lib/dpkg/available
  [22:46:41 /tmp]$
 
 Is there a final new line?
 


Yes there is:

[12:36:41 /tmp]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
-rw-r--r--1 root root  2547713 Apr 25 00:46 /var/lib/dpkg/available
[12:39:36 /tmp]$ od -cj 2547700 /var/lib/dpkg/available
11557764   c   e   9   1   8   0   f   a   4   2   d   f  \n
11560001
[12:39:42 /tmp]$

and 
dpkg -l doc-linux-text
works too. I do not know what was changed.

Shouldn't there be a Description field after the MD5sum?

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Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-26 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:49:24PM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:57:50PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
  Doesn't the user have to belong to the relevant group anyway?
  We already control access to things like floppy drives, sound
  cards etc through groups, so cd burning is another good example.
 
 I don't see how sgid cdrom will help here. Just make it non-sgid, and if
 they're a member of group cdrom, they can burn a cd, period. 

That's what I was saying we should do. That's what we do with other
special hardware like audio and floppy drives.


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Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:27:18PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote:
 
 Yes, which is different -- we have 4 kernel-image packages for

I'm open to suggestions as to which of the images can be dropped.

As far as I can see, there are two arguments against the present organisation
on i386:

1. The kernel images provide no/little benefit for our users.

2. The kernel images impose a strain on the mirrors that we can do without.

1 is a matter of opinion, and one which I do not agree with.

I do understand that everyone is operating under constrained resources.  So
I'm always on the lookout for images that have little use or images that
can be merged.  In particular, pentium4 will go in the next release as
there is very little demand for it, and for those who actually have it,
I doubt compiling the kernel is very time consuming [1].

This will bring the number of images down to 7, or in terms of size, about
70MB.

I'm willing to further reduce that to as little as 3 with the removal of
586/586tsc/k6/k7.  However, I would like to see concrete evidence from
mirror operators that this 40M poses a significant problem for them before
I take this route as except k7, the three flavours take significant to
compile on their respective hosts.  I won't go below that as an SMP kernel
is always required, and the 686 flavour covers a very large chunk of the
i386 userbase.

As to the kernels on the alpha architecture which I also maintain, I have
no plans whatsoever to go down this optimisation route as there simply
aren't enough users to justify the costs involved.  It is also the case
that I simply to have an Alpha box that's sexy enough to do this :)

I cannot comment about the kernel maintainers on other architectures of
course.  But I'm sure they will make the most sensible decisions for them.

[1] The point of this exercise is not to make it easier for people who don't
know how to compile kernels to be able to use optimised kernels.  It is
for those who don't have a grunty box to keep up with the them.
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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:58:10PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:30:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
  [...]
 
 i think you've done a good job of summarising the issues.

I agree as well.
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Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Jason Lunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is dpkg bug #67095. Is there any progress on this? I would love it
 if I didn't have to re-disable nfs and portmap each time I upgraded
 their packages.

What's wrong with adding an exit 0 to the init.d files?
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Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Is there a final new line?
 


 Yes there is:

 [12:36:41 /tmp]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
 -rw-r--r--1 root root  2547713 Apr 25 00:46 
 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 [12:39:36 /tmp]$ od -cj 2547700 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 11557764   c   e   9   1   8   0   f   a   4   2   d   f  \n
 11560001
 [12:39:42 /tmp]$

I'm not sure if this is your problem, but there should be two final
new lines.  One to terminate the the MD5sum line, and one to terminate
the record.
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Intent to package vcdimager.

2001-04-26 Thread Viral
Hello all,

I plan to package vcdimager.

From the README :
  This is GNU VCDImager, a VideoCD image mastering tool.
  This package contains GNU VCDRip, a VideoCD ripping tool, for ripping
  mpeg streams from VideoCD images and showing VideoCD information about
  the image.

There already exists cdrdao which can clone VCDs, and vcdtools, which can
create a VCD image from mpegs. vcdimager rips mpegs from the VCDs.

viral

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ITP: darj - arj archive unpacking tool

2001-04-26 Thread Richard Braakman
(I filed this as bug#95252, but used X-Debian-CC instead of X-Debbugs-CC.
Strange... I remember it being X-Debian-CC once.)

  darj - arj archive unpacking tool

I've started writing a free version of unarj.  I have unarj installed
in case I come across .arj files on the net or on old floppies, and
vrms listed it once too often :)

So this is more of an intent to write than intent to package, but
I do intend to package it once it is done.

I will duplicate unarj's interface as closely as I can (except
for the banner), both for ease of regression testing and in case
there are scripts that parse unarj's output.  I considered going
the other way and making it behave like a proper unix utility, but...
maybe in version 2.

Its current state is that it can list the files in an archive, but
can't uncompress or extract them.  I'm not looking for help (I'm
having fun writing this), but if you have any unusual arj archives
lying around then I would appreciate a copy for testing.

When it's done I will release it under the GNU GPL.

Richard Braakman




libc6 broken?

2001-04-26 Thread Ulrich Wiederhold
Hello,
I upgraded to unstable and now, my libc6 seems to be borken.

If I try a ./configure or a make xconfig with a new Kernel, I get this
error-msg:
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

If I try a make menuconfig, I get:
debian:/usr/src/linux-2.4.3# make menuconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.3/scripts/lxdialog'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

 Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.

 You must have Ncurses installed in order
 to use 'make menuconfig'

make[1]: *** [ncurses] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.3/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2


I reinstalled my ncurseslibs and my libc6 packages, libstdc++-2.10-glibc
and so on, but still get the same error.

Any ideas?
(Using an upgraded unstable from today, did a dist-upgrade too)

Uli




Re: libc6 broken?

2001-04-26 Thread Petr Cech
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:28:51PM +0200 , Ulrich Wiederhold wrote:
 Hello,
 I upgraded to unstable and now, my libc6 seems to be borken.

works fine here. it wasn't upgraded in quite a while

 If I try a ./configure or a make xconfig with a new Kernel, I get this
 error-msg:
 /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

any optimized libs in /lib/i586(or whatever?)

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Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-26 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
 Hello world,
 
ciao

 
 + gdb uploaded 250 days ago, out of date by 240 days!
   doesn't build on sparc, see 86882
 
i'd like to adopt this, i'll mail to the maintainer.



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Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-26 Thread David N. Welton
Domenico Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:

  + gdb uploaded 250 days ago, out of date by 240 days!  doesn't
  build on sparc, see 86882

 i'd like to adopt this, i'll mail to the maintainer.

Do you have the resources to try and follow it on non-intel
architectures as well?  Gdb is a hairy package...

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Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Adam Heath wrote:

 On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Dale Scheetz wrote:
 
  On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 
   Previously Dale Scheetz wrote:
Then you break things for no good reason. These module builders you
speak of should be using the same headers as glibc.
  
   Absolutely definitely not. Userland is different from kernelspace,
   and headers need not match at all. Feel free to search debian-devel
   or linux-kernel archives where that has been discussed way too
   often already.
 
  Kernel modules exist in kernelspace, not userland. Building them against
  any other headers than those used by glibc does nothing to improve the
  stability or usefulness of Debian.
 
 Ah, self-contradictory statement.
 
 A kernel-module must be built with the EXACT SAME environment as the kernel
 being run.  This means they need an EXACT match of headers.  The ones that are
 included with glibc are generic, and will NEVER match the running kernel(even
 across kernel versions, let alone flavors).
 
 Dale, get a clue about kernel module building.  You are completely wrong on
 this.

You're right, I'm an idiot. I have no idea what I was thinking...

I also don't know why I got diverted from the issue of bloat. The idea of
flavours seems to go beyond the version connectedness required by kernel
drivers. We have always delivered a kernel-header package for each version
of the kernel that we deliver. What is there about the modules problem
that suggests there should be even more flavours? The difference in
architectures is a simple symlink to the proper asm routines. What else
needs to be tailored that can't be handled in postinst.

The last thing we need in this distribution is more packages...

Luck,

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Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-26 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:52:39PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote:
 Domenico Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
 
   + gdb uploaded 250 days ago, out of date by 240 days!  doesn't
   build on sparc, see 86882
 
  i'd like to adopt this, i'll mail to the maintainer.
 
 Do you have the resources to try and follow it on non-intel
 architectures as well?  Gdb is a hairy package...
 
mmmh, i cannot follow other arches, i have access to i386 only :(

talking about resource to dig into it, i'm not so sure. if i
never try i never can figure this out. i don't want to rewrite
it all now, i'm *sure* i have not enough skills.

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Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Brendan O'Dea
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:43:56PM -0400, Jason Lunz wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I've thought for a while that perhaps update-rc.d should have a
 --persistant option that would do the same thing as remove AND add a
 K symlink in /etc/rc9.d/ -- a valid but unused runlevel -- so that
 users could permanently disable things in one swift commandline.

This is dpkg bug #67095. Is there any progress on this? I would love it
if I didn't have to re-disable nfs and portmap each time I upgraded
their packages.

It is possible to disable a service simply by removing links in
/etc/rc*.d .  So long as you leave at least one (/etc/rc0.d/K*package
would seem to be a good candidate), update-rc.d when called by packages
on upgrade is a no-op.  Something like:

  rm /etc/rc*.d/S*package

should generally do the trick.

Note, now that netbase has changed the dependency on portmap to a
`suggests' you may remove it anyway.

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Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-26 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On 25 Apr 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:

 There's a good reason.

 First, it is the sort of thing that might well be correctly solved in
 the Debian package and not upstream; that is, the best solution might
 be to provide a Debian upgrade path rather than a Gnome upgrade path.


I agree.  Those are the little value-added things a Debian package adds
to the raw source.  And it sounds like this is a trivial kind of thing to
fix.  At the very least the maintainer should have a debconf screen
popup that says Use KDE!  :-)

 Second, I can't keep track of who upstream is for all the Debian
 packages.


Why not?  It's in the copyright file of each package.  If it isn't--that's
a bug.

Zhaoway is right that you're a big boy and can talk to upstream
developers without having to go through a middleman.

 Third, the BTS is an exceptionally useful placeholder for work needed
 here.  If the bug remains open in the BTS, then it serves to indicate
 the existence of the problem until its solved, and someone might
 actually fix it.  With Christian Marillat's excessively eager
 bug-closing, one would never even know of such things.


This is true as well.  What is the point of a bug tracking system if not
to track bugs.

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Re: Problem with installing Postgres throught APT

2001-04-26 Thread Oliver Elphick
=?iso-8859-1?q?J=E9r=F4me?= Marant wrote:
[copied to the list for comments]
   Can you find out why it wants to remove libpgsql2.1. postgresql-client nee
  ds
   this.
  
Here is the problem:
  
  libpgsql2.1 provides libpgsql2

  and conflicts with libpgsql2
 
It hasn't stopped its being installed on my system or on a number of others.
I found the conflict was necessary to force the removal of libpgsql2, but
it does indeed provide libpgsql2 to other packages that depend on that.

I feel there must be some other problem with your system.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Thursday 26 April 2001 09:05, Andreas Metzler wrote:
  performance: By having images optimized for each processor on i386
  users should see better performance.  I don't believe performance
  numbers were quantified in the discussion but quantifying performance
  is probably important to evaluating this tradeoff.

 [...]

 Hello!
 _Afair_ it is necessary to run a k6 (or athlon) optimized kernel to
 use 3DNow! in applications like xmms or lame. This probably applys to
 ISSE, MTTR and MMX, too.

I agree that having kernels compiled with support for different features is a 
good idea.

We must provide an i386 kernel.

There is software available which only runs with MMX.  We should offer a 
kernel with MMX support which requires Pentium-MMX to support running this.

For 3DNow! we should have a kernel which supports it.

There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.  MTTR is not really needed as 
there is no software written which is unable to run without it.  Our goal 
here should be compatibility with software.  MTTR can increase speed 
significantly in certain situations, but there's lots of other ways of doing 
that for less effort which we aren't supporting.  MTTR can allow you to work 
around broken hardware.  But we can't provide enough kernels to support all 
combinations of broken hardware (I am sure that I could find a list of a 
dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one state or another for 
various broken hardware - we can't provide 2^12 kernels).

Also I think that we should have an SMP kernel in the list.

Another issue is support for all the different SCSI controllers and RAID 
controllers.  Perhaps we should spend more time working on initrd support?

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Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-26 Thread Julian Gilbey
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:35:51PM -0300, Alejo Sanchez wrote:
 well, your version would do it the dlopen() way.
 actually we were going to ask if there was a
 restriction on depending on dlopen(), as it could
 be possible on some non-dynamic plataforms.
 (no shared libraries, no dl library)

You could look at libltdl from the libtool suite.  I guess you could
always use configure tests to figure this sort of stuff out.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Ilya Martynov

RC There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.  MTTR is not really
RC needed as there is no software written which is unable to run
RC without it.  Our goal here should be compatibility with software.
RC MTTR can increase speed significantly in certain situations, but
RC there's lots of other ways of doing that for less effort which we
RC aren't supporting.  MTTR can allow you to work around broken
RC hardware.  But we can't provide enough kernels to support all
RC combinations of broken hardware (I am sure that I could find a
RC list of a dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one
RC state or another for various broken hardware - we can't provide
RC 2^12 kernels).

I think you are wrong about 'MTTR is not really needed'. One good
example is aviplay (player for avi files). It perfomance is seriously
affected by MTTR option. This fact is mentioned in its docs and I've
seen myself *significant* difference in its perfomance when I've
compiled kernel with MTTR option. Probably perfomance of simular
programs will be affected too.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Thursday 26 April 2001 16:38, Ilya Martynov wrote:
 RC There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.  MTTR is not really
 RC needed as there is no software written which is unable to run
 RC without it.  Our goal here should be compatibility with software.
 RC MTTR can increase speed significantly in certain situations, but
 RC there's lots of other ways of doing that for less effort which we
 RC aren't supporting.  MTTR can allow you to work around broken
 RC hardware.  But we can't provide enough kernels to support all
 RC combinations of broken hardware (I am sure that I could find a
 RC list of a dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one
 RC state or another for various broken hardware - we can't provide
 RC 2^12 kernels).

 I think you are wrong about 'MTTR is not really needed'. One good
 example is aviplay (player for avi files). It perfomance is seriously
 affected by MTTR option. This fact is mentioned in its docs and I've
 seen myself *significant* difference in its perfomance when I've
 compiled kernel with MTTR option. Probably perfomance of simular
 programs will be affected too.

I've played many AVI files without MTRR support.  It will still work, just a 
bit slower.  If programs won't run at all (as in the case of MMX and 3DNow!) 
then we should compile different kernels.  If they just don't run as fast 
then we can let the users compile their own kernels.

If you want maximum video speed you want to compile your own kernel with AGP 
and DRI support etc...

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Ilya Martynov

RC I've played many AVI files without MTRR support.  It will still
RC work, just a bit slower.

I think it depends on configuration. On my home PC aviplay is almost
unusable without MTRR. It looks like slide show instead movie. aviplay
docs mention that some people reported up to x3 increase in
perfomance. I've not seen such perfomance increase myself but it is
really significant. With MTRR it is *possible* for me to watch movies.

RC If programs won't run at all (as in the case of MMX and 3DNow!)
RC then we should compile different kernels.  If they just don't run
RC as fast then we can let the users compile their own kernels.

I understand your point. I just want you to understand that MTRR
support in kernel can be more important than you think. Nowdays Linux
is much less hackers project. There is a lot of people who don't need
to know how recompile kernel. Many of them want to watch movies. Many
of them will wonder 'Why Linux is so slow?'.

RC If you want maximum video speed you want to compile your own
RC kernel with AGP and DRI support etc...

AFAIK both AGP and DRI can be compiled as modules so they should be
compiled anyway in stock kernel.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Vince Mulhollon

On 04/26/2001 09:59:13 AM Russell Coker wrote:

 On Thursday 26 April 2001 16:38, Ilya Martynov wrote:
  RC There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.  MTTR is not really
  RC needed as there is no software written which is unable to run
  RC without it.  Our goal here should be compatibility with software.
  RC MTTR can increase speed significantly in certain situations, but
  RC there's lots of other ways of doing that for less effort which we
  RC aren't supporting.  MTTR can allow you to work around broken
  RC hardware.  But we can't provide enough kernels to support all
  RC combinations of broken hardware (I am sure that I could find a
  RC list of a dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one
  RC state or another for various broken hardware - we can't provide
  RC 2^12 kernels).
 
  I think you are wrong about 'MTTR is not really needed'. One good
  example is aviplay (player for avi files). It perfomance is seriously
  affected by MTTR option. This fact is mentioned in its docs and I've
  seen myself *significant* difference in its perfomance when I've
  compiled kernel with MTTR option. Probably perfomance of simular
  programs will be affected too.

 I've played many AVI files without MTRR support.  It will still work,
just a
 bit slower.  If programs won't run at all (as in the case of MMX and
3DNow!)
 then we should compile different kernels.  If they just don't run as
fast
 then we can let the users compile their own kernels.

 If you want maximum video speed you want to compile your own kernel with
AGP
 and DRI support etc...

Naw, lets just quadruple the number of kernels we have so we can have:

1) kernel without AGP or DRI
2) kernel with AGP and no DRI
3) kernel without AGP with DRI
4) kernel with AGP and with DRI

For each of the 30 or so processor revisions that can be compiled for.

After all, if half a dozen kernels for the i386 port of debian is OK
instead of 1, what's wrong with quadrupling it again?  The same arguements
apply to that case.

Eventually there will be so many kernels that newbies will find it quicker
and easier to navigate make xconfig that to navigate dselect.

And optimizations aren't just limited to playing AVIs.

I recall a few years ago a special version of mpg123 that was optimized for
a 486.  A 486-33 that could barely play a mono 22.1 K mpeg easily played
stereo 44.2 K mpegs with the optimizations, if I recall correctly.  We
desparately need to include that of course.  I'm sure similar optimizations
could be added to mpg123 that would reduce processor load on a P4-1ghz by
0.001 % so we need to include that of course.

If we are going to recompile everything to get 1% better performance, we
should have the guts to split the i386 port into all the little processor
families instead of this halfway stuff.





Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-26 Thread doogie
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:

 Yes there is:

 [12:36:41 /tmp]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
 -rw-r--r--1 root root  2547713 Apr 25 00:46 
 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 [12:39:36 /tmp]$ od -cj 2547700 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 11557764   c   e   9   1   8   0   f   a   4   2   d   f  \n
 11560001
 [12:39:42 /tmp]$

 and
 dpkg -l doc-linux-text
 works too. I do not know what was changed.

No, there is no final new line.

debian-devel1:/# od -cj 5199880 /var/lib/dpkg/available
23654010   r   d   .  \n  \n

It looks like the file got truncated.  Disk corruption?  What apt-cache
dumpavail(called from dselect [2]) interrupted?






Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-26 Thread Kenneth Vestergaard Schmidt
On Thursday 26 April 2001 08:20, Craig Sanders wrote:
 the point at issue is whether there should be dozens of kernel-image and
 kernel-headers packages when one is enough to do the job.

I'm just a humble Linux-user, but still compile my own kernel. However, I do 
this because I'm also a control-freak, and I like to know what is compiled 
into it. I also like to decide /what/ modules I have, instead of everything. 
But that's me.

If I understand this correctly, Herbert Xu wants to provide alternate 
kernel-* to make it easier for users to run a better suited kernel. However, 
doesn't that require the user to know more about his system? I would argue in 
/favor/ of the kernel-{helper,custom} package, since if you wanted to use a 
custom kernel, you still had to use apt/dselect/whatever to find the correct 
image for your system. And if you /REALLY/ want those last drops of 
performance, you still need to be something of a wizzard, using powertweak, 
or /proc-hacks, or whatever.

If instead, you were able to type something akin to update-kernel or 
whatever, and then have a kernel built suited to your arch, but with the 
default Debian-options (ie. lotsa modules), wouldn't that be better? I 
mean, just make a note to the user, to switch to another console, or minimize 
the window in case of X. Then he'll get a kernel freshly built. IMHO, that's 
much better. It also means that they only have to download a small update 
each time there's a new kernel-release, instead of several megabytes. Dial-up 
users should love this.

In the end, I am not sure this matters. Herbert seems to have set his mind 
pretty strongly on this. I can't speak on behalf of him, of course, but it 
seems that multiple flavours are here to stay, for better or for worse...

Regards
Kenneth




Lightweight Web browsers

2001-04-26 Thread Jérôme Marant

  Hi,

  I was looking for a lightweight web browser and I try tried
  all of those I could get in debs. Unfortunately, neither
  mozilla nor galeon nor konqueror are satisfactory in terms
  of memory usage (says less than 10 megs of RAM).

  However, I found a simple HTML browser called Encompass
  that takes far less memory than those I mentioned. Of course,
  it does not have all the feature these browsers can offer
  but it does handle HTML pretty well. I've build debs you can
  find there:

  deb http://people.debian.org/~jerome unofficial/

  Tell me if you are interested to see it in debian.
  Thanks. 

-- 
Jérôme Marant




Curious e-mails from yucom.be

2001-04-26 Thread Steve Greenland
Today I received several e-mails that were near duplicates of
interactions with the BTS last sunday, both from me and from others.
The originals had headers like this (I've trimmed the extraneous stuff):


Received: from gecko by master.debian.org with local (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14rP8Z-0003SF-00; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:03:11 -0500   
Received: via spool by [EMAIL PROTECTED] id=B79711.98796614612819
  (code B ref 79711); Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:03:08 GMT

The duplicate has:

Received: from btbntsys1.yucom.be (yucom.be) [212.8.180.1]
by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14sj3f-00054p-00; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:31:35 -0500
Received: from mail pickup service by yucom.be with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
 Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:27:07 +0200
Received: from murphy.debian.org ([216.234.231.6]) by yucom.be  with Microsoft  
+SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19);
 Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:01:12 +0200
Received: (qmail 22943 invoked by uid 38); 22 Apr 2001 19:03:31 -
Received: (qmail 22820 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 19:03:29 -
Received: from master.debian.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  by murphy.debian.org with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 19:03:29 -
Received: from gecko by master.debian.org with local (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14rP8Z-0003SF-00; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:03:11 -0500
Received: via spool by [EMAIL PROTECTED] id=B79711.98796614612819
  (code B ref 79711); Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:03:08 GMT

Note that the message id is the same; it just went to yucom.be, who
held it for a 4 days and then respewed it back to me at master. Any
ideas what's going on? Or how I can make it stop?

Thanks,
Steve

PS Notice that I refrained from making any snide comments about
crappy Microsoft mail servers. 


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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:15:15PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
 On Thursday 26 April 2001 09:05, Andreas Metzler wrote:
  _Afair_ it is necessary to run a k6 (or athlon) optimized kernel to
  use 3DNow! in applications like xmms or lame. This probably applys to
  ISSE, MTTR and MMX, too.

This is not correct.

 There is software available which only runs with MMX.  We should offer a 
 kernel with MMX support which requires Pentium-MMX to support running this.
 
 For 3DNow! we should have a kernel which supports it.

All kernels, even if compiled with CONFIG_M386, will support
MMX and 3DNow.  It just won't use memcpy_mmx() or memcpy_3d()
as the implementation of memcpy().  The important part is
saving the correct number of FP registers, which is done.

 There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.

Right.  You compile kernels with CONFIG_MTRR=y, and the kernel
will detect if the processor supports it at run-time.

 (I am sure that I could find a list of a 
 dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one state or another for 
 various broken hardware - we can't provide 2^12 kernels).

If you were to report this as a kernel bug, it would probably
be fixed quickly.  i386 CONFIG_ dependencies are designed
reasonably enough that you can expect to build one kernel
that runs on most hardware (apart from non-arch driver issues.)

 Also I think that we should have an SMP kernel in the list.

We could have one kernel with CONFIG_SMP=y.  It doesn't conflict
with other things, although this is an option that is likely to
be on your list above.  CONFIG_M386 is one as well, since the
kernel can't use the better locking primitives that appeared
in the 486.

I'd like to see a single binary kernel (or two, because I'm
suspicious about CONFIG_M386), and an easy system that allows
you to build one of a set of standard kernels, i.e., a kernel
that has everything enabled as modules, but varies in optimized
processor, SMP, high memory support, etc.  In particular, I don't
think it's appropriate (in the idea I'm describing) to present
the user with questions such as Do you want APM support? --
compile it in or as a module, and figure it out at run-time.
In fact, most of the options could be auto-detected from
/proc/cpuinfo.

It could also be useful as a hardware tester at install time:
Would you like to test your hardware (and get a kernel custom
build for your hardware at the same time)?  This process will
potentially take a long time.  (Yes, I realize this idea is
a bit crazier than average.)




dave...




Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-26 Thread Yasuhiro Take

At Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:14:01 -0500 (CDT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
 
  Yes there is:
 
  [12:36:41 /tmp]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
  -rw-r--r--1 root root  2547713 Apr 25 00:46 
  /var/lib/dpkg/available
  [12:39:36 /tmp]$ od -cj 2547700 /var/lib/dpkg/available
  11557764   c   e   9   1   8   0   f   a   4   2   d   f  \n
  11560001
  [12:39:42 /tmp]$
 
  and
  dpkg -l doc-linux-text
  works too. I do not know what was changed.
 
 No, there is no final new line.
 
 debian-devel1:/# od -cj 5199880 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 23654010   r   d   .  \n  \n
 
 It looks like the file got truncated.  Disk corruption?  What apt-cache
 dumpavail(called from dselect [2]) interrupted?

I guess it is my fault. Maybe the description of ng-cjk lacks final new-line
like below, and i guess that's the cause.

sed 's/^ /+/' control | grep -A 11 '^Package: ng-cjk$'

Package: ng-cjk
Architecture: any
Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ng-common
Description: Nihongo MicroGnuEmacs with CJK support. 
+Ng is Nihongo Mg, MicroGnuEmacs. It is a small lightweight Emacs-like
+editor. It can handle both Latin and CJK.
+.
+ng-cjk can handle ISO-2022-JP, Shift-JIS, EUC-JP as well as EUC-KR and
+EUC-CN(GB only). Latin is not supported.
+
Package: ng-cjk-canna
Architecture: any


I'll fix this right now and dupload it.

Thanks,

hirot



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Re: Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 26-Apr-01, 06:52 (CDT), Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 On 25 Apr 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
 Second, I can't keep track of who upstream is for all the Debian
 packages.

 
 Why not?  It's in the copyright file of each package.  If it isn't--that's
 a bug.
 
 Zhaoway is right that you're a big boy and can talk to upstream
 developers without having to go through a middleman.

Yes, Thomas *could* report the bug upstream. However, he shouldn't have
to; one of the Debian developer's jobs is to deal with this kind of
stuff, even if dealing with it is only forwarding it upstream and
marking it as such in the BTS. Our user's have every right to expect
this.

Steve

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Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-26 Thread Alejo Sanchez
Julian Gilbey wrote:
 
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:35:51PM -0300, Alejo Sanchez wrote:
  well, your version would do it the dlopen() way.
  actually we were going to ask if there was a
  restriction on depending on dlopen(), as it could
  be possible on some non-dynamic plataforms.
  (no shared libraries, no dl library)
 
 You could look at libltdl from the libtool suite.  I guess you could
 always use configure tests to figure this sort of stuff out.
 
Julian

I was only asking if release applications from debian
are allowed to have dlopen() (even if it isn't used
on most situations)

AFAIK some OS don't, ie. OpenBSD.

Alejo




Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Steve Greenland
Good summary, Sam. I'd like to add a couple extra points:

On 25-Apr-01, 19:30 (CDT), Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Should build custom:  Some argumed that users should build a custom
 kernel and the distribution was doing them a disservice by trying to
 provide kernels that met their needs.

There was also a slightly different argument: That *if* the user needs
the slight performance improvement offered by a CPU optimized kernel,
then *probably* that user is both capable of building his/her own, *and*
would gain further (and possibly more significant) performance benefits
by many other choices one could make when configuring a kernel (module
vs. non-module, etc.) 

Confusion: Adding 8 (or whatever it is) variations of each kernel
version is going to make it harder to select the appropriate one. There
is some fraction of the target audience who won't know what kind of CPU
they have, and we don't want to have to add to the Debian installation
instructions: 

Now open your computer's case, and locate the large chip with fans
hanging off of it. Write down the numbers and letters on top of the
chip. Now look them up in this table to determine the best kernel
for your machine.

How larget that fraction is I don't know, but I'd wager it was larger
than 0.

 Archive Size:  
 CD Size:  
 Bandwith: 
 Module Multiplication, size, bandwidth: 

Someone (sorry, forget who) proposed that instead of actually
distributing a lot of different stock kernels, we distribute some sort
kernel-tuner package that included the various config files and made
it easy for a user to build a custom kernel that matched the Debian
stock kernel except for CPU specificity (and one could extend this to
a matrix of CPU/AGP/DRI choices). Perhaps it could present a menu of
choices (pick the things you have) and then select (or generate) the
appropriate config file, use make-kpkg to build the new kernel, and then
install the new kernel.deb. Yes, it would take longer, but it doesn't
have any of the negative impacts on the archive, and it starts the user
on the path to custom kernel competency.

Steve
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Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 What's wrong with adding an exit 0 to the init.d files?

dpkg will ask me whether I want to keep my changes each time I upgrade,
rather than just overwriting the script.

Jason




Re: Debian Afbackup

2001-04-26 Thread Arthur Korn
Salut Stephane

Stephane Leclerc schrieb:
 I've see that you uploaded 13 Apr 2001 a fix version of afbackup.

 Do you know the status of this package?. I've sent an email to the official
 maintainer and never got an answer.

I don't use afbackup myself, and from what I remember of the
changelog (/usr/share/doc/afbackup/changelog.Debian.gz) it's
regular maintainer hasn't made an upload for some years. It
looks like we have to find a new maintainer for afbackup :(.

 The .deb is really old, don't works very well and I'll looking for a .deb
 version of the up to date version. I currently use it directly from the
 tarball but it's a paint to maintain on many boxes. And on Alpha, it's realy
 hard to compile.
 
 Thanks to let me know.
 
 Stef...
 
 
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Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 It is possible to disable a service simply by removing links in
 /etc/rc*.d .  So long as you leave at least one (/etc/rc0.d/K*package
 would seem to be a good candidate), update-rc.d when called by packages
 on upgrade is a no-op.  Something like:
 
   rm /etc/rc*.d/S*package
 
 should generally do the trick.

That's a good hack, but I still think update-rc.d should support it
directly. I was surprised to see portmap restarted after an ugrade when
I'd previously done update-rc.d -f remove portmap.

At the very least, this should be documented in update-rc.d(8).

 Note, now that netbase has changed the dependency on portmap to a
 `suggests' you may remove it anyway.

I want portmap and nfs, but I only want them working once a month or so
when I need them.

Jason




Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 At the very least, this should be documented in update-rc.d(8).

Actually, now that I look again, it is pretty well documented. never
mind.

Jason




Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-26 Thread Will Lowe
 That's a good hack, but I still think update-rc.d should support it
 directly. I was surprised to see portmap restarted after an ugrade when
 I'd previously done update-rc.d -f remove portmap.

That was my feeling, that most users would probably wonder why it was
started again.




Storage (8*IDE HDs) any experiences?

2001-04-26 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Hi all

I notice there are these new-fangled motherboards with 2*ATA-100 and
2*ATA-33 ports. With 75GB disks, that baby should give us 600GB of raw
disk space (8 drives) at around $2K US. Sounds attractive, considering
that el-cheapo RAID boxes of similar capacity are around $10K.

Anyone runs [Debian] Linux on an 8-drive box like that? Is that
supported at all? Any gotchas I should know about? The mobo I'm looking
at is ABIT BH6-II.

TIA
Dima
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Re: RFC: Thoughts on building modules

2001-04-26 Thread Sam Hartman
 Herbert == Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Herbert BTW, this is how the kernel images are organised on
Herbert alpha/i386/sparc.

This is misleading.  The kernel-image-*-arch packages are much simpler
because they do not depend both on a kernel source package and on a
module deb package.  Also, note that this maximizes work for the
module maintainer, which is a valid thing to do, although I'd like to
note that we seem to get a much better balance for other porting
issues.  Finally, it means that I cannot release a module for a new
arch without package-installation access to that arch.  It's my
understanding that source-only uploads only work if there is an
existing binary package that depends on the source package being
installed, which is not the case for new package source uploads.




Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman hartmans@debian.org] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi.  I posted the following message to debian-devel last night and
have received agreement with the summary and apparently (it was not
explicitly stated) with the committee as a forum from Craig and
Herbert.  Thus I'd like to ask you to look at this issue.  There has
been some other discussion in the thread that the following message
starts and others have brought up some issues I did not cover in my
summary.  I recommend reading this discussion.


If there are any administrative hoops I need to jump through please
let me know.

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[cc list is an attempt at stakeholders for this issue.  If I missed
people, I'm sorry.  If I annoyed people by ccing them even though they
read the list, well I'm sorry too, but there are a fair number of
people who tend to want to be explicitly cc'd when an issue pertains
to them.]



Summary: Herbert has started building 8 different flavors of
kernel-image for i386.  These flavors correspond to CPU type; for
example there is an appropriate kernel for people with 386 machines to
run and an appropriate kernel for people with Athlon machines to run.
Several concerns have been brought up on debian-devel, and while I
believe that discussion has identified the tradeoffs involved, I do
not believe we have reached consensus on a direction to follow.

While Herbert is the maintainer of the kernel image for i386,I believe
the implications of this issue extend far beyond his packages and thus
this is an issue where the interests of different developers may come
into conflict.  Herbert's changes affect those who maintain module
packages like ALSA, PCMCIA, I2C and Openafs.  OSome have claimed these
decisions affect the installation by CDs by taking up a significant
chunk of a CD.  Concerns were raised about the bandwith and archive
space implications.

I believe that since debian-devel doesn't seem to be able to come to
consensus on this issue, we should refer the issue to a smaller group
than will fairly consider all the tradeoffs involved and come up with
a global direction for the project on this issue.  One concern I have
with Herbert's decision is that the i386 architecture is taking what
appears to be a different direction than other architectures.  I'd
rather have a global direction than have each architecture go off and
do their own thing.  Naturally, the tradeoffs may affect different
architcetures differently, so we may end up with a different set of
kernel images for each architecture, but the relative weights of the
tradeoffs and our overall goals could be decided globally.  I propose
the technical committee as an appropriate form to decide on this
issue, but I am open to other fora.

I'd like to summarize my understanding of the tradeoffs that we have
identified in the debian-devel discussion so that if we do turn this
issue over to the committee, they will know what concerns we have
already identified.  Please add to the following list if I have missed
something.  Note that I'm not trying to weight the tradeoffs here; I'm
trying to be fairly objective.  Comments of the form That's not
important, are not appropriate at this time.  cThe goal is to
identify the issues and let whatever group we send this to evaluate
the weights of the issues.  Presumably such a group would ask for
public comment on the weightings if they would find that comment
useful.

performance: By having images optimized for each processor on i386
users should see better performance.  I don't believe performance
numbers were quantified in the discussion but quantifying performance
is probably important to evaluating this tradeoff.

Encouraging stock kernel use:  By having appropriate stock kernels
that meet people's needs we may encourage users to use the kernels.
This provides better/more consistent testing of our configurationas
well as easier upgrade.  Herbert indicated that previosly he did not
even use his own kernel image packages because they were not
optmized.  This should be considered separately from performance,
because even if there is not a significant performance win, if many
more users would use the stock kernel, the advantages  of doing so
might justify the change.  That is, the perception of whether
optimized kernels are needed influences whether people use them and
the value of this 

Re: libc6 broken?

2001-04-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:28:51PM +0200, Ulrich Wiederhold wrote:
 If I try a ./configure or a make xconfig with a new Kernel, I get this
 error-msg:
 /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 /lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'

Uh, why do you have libc 2.2.3? We don't have libc 2.2.3 in the archive.

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Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-26 Thread Shaul Karl
 On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
 
  Yes there is:
 
  [12:36:41 /tmp]$ ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/available
  -rw-r--r--1 root root  2547713 Apr 25 00:46 
  /var/lib/dpkg/available
  [12:39:36 /tmp]$ od -cj 2547700 /var/lib/dpkg/available
  11557764   c   e   9   1   8   0   f   a   4   2   d   f  \n
  11560001
  [12:39:42 /tmp]$
 
  and
  dpkg -l doc-linux-text
  works too. I do not know what was changed.
 
 No, there is no final new line.
 
 debian-devel1:/# od -cj 5199880 /var/lib/dpkg/available
 23654010   r   d   .  \n  \n
 
 It looks like the file got truncated.  Disk corruption?  What apt-cache
 dumpavail(called from dselect [2]) interrupted?
 


I am not sure but the reason could also be a problem with a local server.
At least for now, after an apt-get update from another server, it looks O.K:
1) The size of the file has grown a lot.
2) Now there is the terminating \n\n. 
[22:49:47 /tmp]$ od -cj 4462910 /var/lib/dpkg/available
21014476   f   o   r   m   s   .  \n  \n
21014507
[22:52:04 /tmp]$ 
3) The Description is the last field.

I will watch it.
Thank you for the help.
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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Thursday 26 April 2001 18:19, David Schleef wrote:
  For 3DNow! we should have a kernel which supports it.

 All kernels, even if compiled with CONFIG_M386, will support
 MMX and 3DNow.  It just won't use memcpy_mmx() or memcpy_3d()
 as the implementation of memcpy().  The important part is
 saving the correct number of FP registers, which is done.

  There is no need for a MTTR specific kernel.

 Right.  You compile kernels with CONFIG_MTRR=y, and the kernel
 will detect if the processor supports it at run-time.

So a 386 compiled kernel can still support MMX, 3DNow! and MTRR?  In that 
case we only need a 386 kernel, but it might be nice to have a PentiumMMX 
compiled kernel as well (that should give better performance on all brands of 
CPU that are better than 486).

  (I am sure that I could find a list of a
  dozen boolean options which are all needed to be in one state or another
  for various broken hardware - we can't provide 2^12 kernels).

 If you were to report this as a kernel bug, it would probably
 be fixed quickly.  i386 CONFIG_ dependencies are designed
 reasonably enough that you can expect to build one kernel
 that runs on most hardware (apart from non-arch driver issues.)

I am thinking of the various IDE options for dealing with broken drives and 
controllers, PCI Quirks, etc.  These things will break some machines when set 
one way and break other machines on the other setting.

 I'd like to see a single binary kernel (or two, because I'm
 suspicious about CONFIG_M386), and an easy system that allows
 you to build one of a set of standard kernels, i.e., a kernel
 that has everything enabled as modules, but varies in optimized
 processor, SMP, high memory support, etc.  In particular, I don't
 think it's appropriate (in the idea I'm describing) to present
 the user with questions such as Do you want APM support? --
 compile it in or as a module, and figure it out at run-time.
 In fact, most of the options could be auto-detected from
 /proc/cpuinfo.

So we ship half the kernel as binary and compile the other half after 
installation?  Sounds terrible.  Why not just compile custom kernels for 
every user?

It wouldn't be that difficult to write a script that asks a dozen easy 
questions, checks the /proc data, and then compiles an optimised kernel.

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Formal request for review: [Sam Hartman hartmans@debian.org] Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi.  I posted the following message to debian-devel last night and
have received agreement with the summary and apparently (it was not
explicitly stated) with the committee as a forum from Craig and
Herbert.  Thus I'd like to ask you to look at this issue.  There has
been some other discussion in the thread that the following message
starts and others have brought up some issues I did not cover in my
summary.  I recommend reading this discussion.


If there are any administrative hoops I need to jump through please
let me know.

--- Start of forwarded message ---
Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:30:46 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:30:31 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (module package maintainers),
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (kernel-image-i386 maintainer),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (concerned about package size)
Subject: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?
Reply-to: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
From: Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[cc list is an attempt at stakeholders for this issue.  If I missed
people, I'm sorry.  If I annoyed people by ccing them even though they
read the list, well I'm sorry too, but there are a fair number of
people who tend to want to be explicitly cc'd when an issue pertains
to them.]



Summary: Herbert has started building 8 different flavors of
kernel-image for i386.  These flavors correspond to CPU type; for
example there is an appropriate kernel for people with 386 machines to
run and an appropriate kernel for people with Athlon machines to run.
Several concerns have been brought up on debian-devel, and while I
believe that discussion has identified the tradeoffs involved, I do
not believe we have reached consensus on a direction to follow.

While Herbert is the maintainer of the kernel image for i386,I believe
the implications of this issue extend far beyond his packages and thus
this is an issue where the interests of different developers may come
into conflict.  Herbert's changes affect those who maintain module
packages like ALSA, PCMCIA, I2C and Openafs.  OSome have claimed these
decisions affect the installation by CDs by taking up a significant
chunk of a CD.  Concerns were raised about the bandwith and archive
space implications.

I believe that since debian-devel doesn't seem to be able to come to
consensus on this issue, we should refer the issue to a smaller group
than will fairly consider all the tradeoffs involved and come up with
a global direction for the project on this issue.  One concern I have
with Herbert's decision is that the i386 architecture is taking what
appears to be a different direction than other architectures.  I'd
rather have a global direction than have each architecture go off and
do their own thing.  Naturally, the tradeoffs may affect different
architcetures differently, so we may end up with a different set of
kernel images for each architecture, but the relative weights of the
tradeoffs and our overall goals could be decided globally.  I propose
the technical committee as an appropriate form to decide on this
issue, but I am open to other fora.

I'd like to summarize my understanding of the tradeoffs that we have
identified in the debian-devel discussion so that if we do turn this
issue over to the committee, they will know what concerns we have
already identified.  Please add to the following list if I have missed
something.  Note that I'm not trying to weight the tradeoffs here; I'm
trying to be fairly objective.  Comments of the form That's not
important, are not appropriate at this time.  cThe goal is to
identify the issues and let whatever group we send this to evaluate
the weights of the issues.  Presumably such a group would ask for
public comment on the weightings if they would find that comment
useful.

performance: By having images optimized for each processor on i386
users should see better performance.  I don't believe performance
numbers were quantified in the discussion but quantifying performance
is probably important to evaluating this tradeoff.

Encouraging stock kernel use:  By having appropriate stock kernels
that meet people's needs we may encourage users to use the kernels.
This provides better/more consistent testing of our configurationas
well as easier upgrade.  Herbert indicated that previosly he did not
even use his own kernel image packages because they were not
optmized.  This should be considered separately from performance,
because even if there is not a significant performance win, if many
more users would use the stock kernel, the advantages  of doing so
might justify the change.  That is, the perception of whether
optimized kernels are needed influences whether people use them and
the value of this 

Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:13:01PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote:
 So a 386 compiled kernel can still support MMX, 3DNow! and MTRR?  In that 
 case we only need a 386 kernel, but it might be nice to have a PentiumMMX 
 compiled kernel as well (that should give better performance on all brands of 
 CPU that are better than 486).

Except that the PentiumMMX kernel won't run on a Pentium -- it
uses MMX instructions for memcpy().  (I now ramble into things
I only slightly remember, so please check before believing...)
I think the general consensus is that the original Pentium
instruction ordering is best all-around, whereas PentiumPro
is the worst.

 I am thinking of the various IDE options for dealing with broken drives and 
 controllers, PCI Quirks, etc.  These things will break some machines when set 
 one way and break other machines on the other setting.

I haven't heard of many problems like this recently.  But I'm sure
there will be such bugs during the lifetime of 2.4.

 So we ship half the kernel as binary and compile the other half after 
 installation?  Sounds terrible.  Why not just compile custom kernels for 
 every user?

(Yes, that doesn sound terrible.)  No, I meant to ship and install
one standard complete kernel.  If the user wants to run the
automatic kernel optimisation script and compile a new kernel,
cool.  But the idea is to make it as simple as Do you want an
optimized kernel?

 It wouldn't be that difficult to write a script that asks a dozen easy 
 questions, checks the /proc data, and then compiles an optimised kernel.

I tend to think that asking fewer questions is better -- a script
will better know how to optimise the kernel for someone that is
unprepared.  And the people that want more configuration options
should be compiling their own kernels anyway.




dave...




New X problems...

2001-04-26 Thread Dale Scheetz
I finally get my X system back into working order, find out I have memory
problems with my kernel and upgraded to the 2.2.19.

Now, when I bring up and xterm or a bash window, I get no cursor and no
keystrokes appear in the window. I'm also having very flaky problems with
mozilla not being able to get into simple web pages and download material.
(I'm trying to get the current LSB spec)

At this point I can't tell whether this has something to do with my new
kernel, or is caused by something else. I'm pretty sure that once I got
things working the last time, I used an xterm with no problems, so my
suspicions lie heavily with the new kernel.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Dwarf
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Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 26, Alejo Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was only asking if release applications from debian
 are allowed to have dlopen() (even if it isn't used
 on most situations)
The patched mutt 1.2.x I maintain for debian does exactly this to
support SSL and kerberos.

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Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Confusion: Adding 8 (or whatever it is) variations of each kernel
 version is going to make it harder to select the appropriate one. There
 is some fraction of the target audience who won't know what kind of CPU
 they have, and we don't want to have to add to the Debian installation
 instructions: 

Now open your computer's case, and locate the large chip with fans
hanging off of it. Write down the numbers and letters on top of the
chip. Now look them up in this table to determine the best kernel
for your machine.

There is a file called /proc/cpuinfo you know.
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Re: RFC: Thoughts on building modules

2001-04-26 Thread Herbert Xu
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is misleading.  The kernel-image-*-arch packages are much simpler
 because they do not depend both on a kernel source package and on a
 module deb package.  Also, note that this maximizes work for the

How does that make it more complex?

 issues.  Finally, it means that I cannot release a module for a new
 arch without package-installation access to that arch.  It's my
 understanding that source-only uploads only work if there is an
 existing binary package that depends on the source package being
 installed, which is not the case for new package source uploads.

Well, kernels/modules have traditionally required this kind of access.
There's no way around it I'm afraid.
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