Uploaded libauthen-pam-perl 0.12-2 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:03:10 +0200
Source: libauthen-pam-perl
Binary: libauthen-pam-perl
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.12-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Davide Puricelli (evo) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libauthen-pam-perl - This module provides a Perl interface to the PAM library.
Closes: 110104
Changes: 
 libauthen-pam-perl (0.12-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * debian/control: Priority: optional closes: #110104.
Files: 
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Uploaded midgard-lib 1.4-CVS200108190202-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 22:54:17 -0700
Source: midgard-lib
Binary: libmidgard5-dev libmidgard5 repligard
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.4-CVS200108190202-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Luca Filipozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libmidgard5 - Midgard Content Management System - Runtime Library
 libmidgard5-dev - Midgard Content Management System - Development Files
 repligard  - Midgard Content Management System - Replication Tool
Closes: 109587
Changes: 
 midgard-lib (1.4-CVS200108190202-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   *  Improved package description (Closes: #109587)
Files: 
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libmidgard5_1.4-CVS200108190202-3_m68k.deb
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libmidgard5-dev_1.4-CVS200108190202-3_m68k.deb
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Uploaded libapache-mod-ruby 0.9.3-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:08:27 +0900
Source: libapache-mod-ruby
Binary: libapache-mod-ruby
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.9.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Shugo Maeda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libapache-mod-ruby - Embedding Ruby in the Apache web server
Changes: 
 libapache-mod-ruby (0.9.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Upgraded to new upstream version.
Files: 
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libapache-mod-ruby_0.9.3-1_m68k.deb

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Uploaded dwww 1.6.9 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Mon,  3 Sep 2001 00:35:10 +0200
Source: dwww
Binary: dwww
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.6.9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Robert Luberda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 dwww   - Read all on-line documentation via WWW
Closes: 110692
Changes: 
 dwww (1.6.9) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fix problem with permissions of /var/cache/dwww, introduced in 1.6.7 
(closes: #110692).
Files: 
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Uploaded liblocale-gettext-perl 1.01-11 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Mon,  3 Sep 2001 20:22:36 +0200
Source: liblocale-gettext-perl
Binary: liblocale-gettext-perl
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.01-11
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 liblocale-gettext-perl - Using libc functions for internationalization in Perl
Closes: 110285
Changes: 
 liblocale-gettext-perl (1.01-11) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Added libintl.h required for ia64. Closes: #110285
   * Corrected 2 lintian warnings.
Files: 
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Uploaded libxml-parser-perl 2.30-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Mon,  3 Sep 2001 08:43:15 -0500
Source: libxml-parser-perl
Binary: libxml-parser-perl
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.30-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Ardo van Rangelrooij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libxml-parser-perl - Perl module for parsing XML files
Closes: 95821
Changes: 
 libxml-parser-perl (2.30-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Expat/Expat.pm: moved no strict 'refs'; to correct place to prevent
 incorrect generation of warnings (closes: Bug#95821) (thanks Dagfinn!)
   * debian/control: cleanup up Build-Depends
   * debian/control: upgraded to Debian Policy 3.5.5
   * debian/control: upgraded to Debian Perl Policy 1.20
Files: 
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Uploaded marlais 0.6.1-5 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:49:33 -0400
Source: marlais
Binary: marlais
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.6.1-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Neil Schemenauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 marlais- An interpreter for a Dylan-like language
Closes: 110469
Changes: 
 marlais (0.6.1-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Upgrade to libgc6 (closes: #110469).
Files: 
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Uploaded mp4h 1.2.0-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:25:55 +0200
Source: mp4h
Binary: mp4h
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.2.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Denis Barbier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 mp4h   - Macro Processor for HTML Documents
Closes: 103497
Changes: 
 mp4h (1.2.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
   * Remove copyright mention from the control file (Closes: #103497)
Files: 
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Uploaded krusader 0.95-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd2
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:12:22 +0100
Source: krusader
Binary: krusader
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.95-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Angel Ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 krusader   - File Manager for KDE
Closes: 108276 110453
Changes: 
 krusader (0.95-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   *Fixed config.sub and config.guess on the source in order to
support hppa architecture (Closes: #108276).
   *Symlink from locolor icon to highcolor created (Closes: #110453).
Files: 
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Uploaded kleandisk 2.1-beta1-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd2
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:26:32 -0500
Source: kleandisk
Binary: kleandisk
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.1-beta1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 kleandisk  - a file cleanup and backup tool for KDE
Changes: 
 kleandisk (2.1-beta1-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Uses objprelink.
Files: 
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Uploaded xboing 2.4-24 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:18:36 +0400
Source: xboing
Binary: xboing
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.4-24
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Alexander Kotelnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 xboing - Blockout game for X
Closes: 91941 103837
Changes: 
 xboing (2.4-24) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * closes: #103837
   * previous upload fixed #91941 (closes: #91941)
Files: 
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Uploaded kdrill 5.11.2-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:39:05 -0700
Source: kdrill
Binary: makedic kanadic kdrill
Architecture: m68k
Version: 5.11.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Philip Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 kdrill - A Kanji drill and dictionary program
 makedic- A dictionary compiler for KDrill
Closes: 109900
Changes: 
 kdrill (5.11.2-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
 Closes: #109900
   ('next' button in Learn window always random)
Files: 
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Uploaded linuxdoc-tools 0.9.9 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sun,  2 Sep 2001 00:28:43 +0900
Source: linuxdoc-tools
Binary: linuxdoc-tools
Architecture: m68k
Version: 0.9.9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Taketoshi Sano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 linuxdoc-tools - SGML converters for the LinuxDoc DTD only.
Closes: 25283 39665 79784 96658 99810 109077
Changes: 
 linuxdoc-tools (0.9.9) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Debian specific
 - FHS transition.
 - remove iso-entities in this package, and use entities
   in Debian sgml-data package.  Closes: #39665
 - try to fix an old wishlist bug.  use mawk when gawk is
   not available and replace dependencies to gawk with
   gawk|mawk.  Closes: #25283
 - Old bug clean up.  Closes: #99810
 - use update-catalog instead of old install-sgmlcatalog
   * fix a bug in chapter handling code for html conversion.
 Thanks to Vanessa Conchodon.  Closes: #109077
   * change the default behavior to include subsections
 in the table of contents, and add the note for --toc
 option in manpages.  Closes: #96658
   * fix a bug in index handling code for info conversion.
 Thanks to Jim Van Zandt for his patch.  Closes: #79784
 (Actually, this has been fixed for months, I think.
  Just forgot to close the bug.)
Files: 
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Uploaded dbf2mysql 1.10d-3 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:43:44 +0200
Source: dbf2mysql
Binary: dbf2mysql
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.10d-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 dbf2mysql  - xBASE -- mySQL
Changes: 
 dbf2mysql (1.10d-3) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Maintainer set to Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED].
   * Corrected the priority from extra to optional in
 debian/control.
Files: 
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Uploaded yabasic 2.701-1 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sun,  2 Sep 2001 19:02:51 +0200
Source: yabasic
Binary: yabasic
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.701-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matej Vela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 yabasic- Yet Another BASIC interpreter
Changes: 
 yabasic (2.701-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version.
   * Conforms to Standards version 3.5.6.
Files: 
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Uploaded gv 3.5.8-22 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 21:19:07 +0200
Source: gv
Binary: gv
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1:3.5.8-22
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 gv - A PostScript and PDF viewer for X using 3d Athena Widgets
Closes: 96346 101630 109902
Changes: 
 gv (1:3.5.8-22) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Make gv build again (patch by Jeff Licquia
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]). (closes: #109902)
   * Corrected some URLs in the documentation. (closes: #101630)
   * Use the full path for the menu icon. (closes: #96346)
Files: 
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Uploaded minicom 1.83.1-4.2 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Sat,  1 Sep 2001 14:55:15 +0200
Source: minicom
Binary: minicom
Architecture: m68k
Version: 1.83.1-4.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 minicom- Clone of the MS-DOS Telix communications program.
Closes: 110838
Changes: 
 minicom (1.83.1-4.2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Non-Maintainer Upload.
   * Cleaning up the mess with some upgrades to -4.1:
 + debian/preinst:
   - fix the mv statement, making it not fail if there are no minirc
 files to move.
   - if during this upgrade, previous version was -4.1, check if
 /etc/minicom/minirc.dfl and /etc/minicom/minicom.users exist. If they
 do, probably the user moved them by hand after the upgrade, so copy
 the /etc ones to /etc/minicom/ with an .old suffix. Same if
 the files exist only in /etc (corner case if people reran apt).
 + debian/postrm: rmdir /etc/minicom after we've done the move of stuff
   to the old location.
 Hopefully, all of this closes: #110838.
Files: 
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Uploaded hypermail 2.1.2-4 (m68k) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/m68k buildd4
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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:36:43 +0800
Source: hypermail
Binary: hypermail
Architecture: m68k
Version: 2.1.2-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/m68k buildd4 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Yu Guanghui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 hypermail  - Create HTML archives of mailing lists
Closes: 109874
Changes: 
 hypermail (2.1.2-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Fixed alpha build failure. (closes:Bug#109874)
 Thanks Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] give me the patch.
 Forwarded the patch to upstream author.
Files: 
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Uploaded lopster 0.9.9-2 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Source: lopster
Binary: lopster
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.9.9-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Colin Mattson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 lopster- A Napster client using the GTK UI.
Closes: 100511 105783
Changes: 
 lopster (0.9.9-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Changed Depends: Depends on 75 or 100dpi xfonts package as workaround for
 Helvetica being required. (Closes: #100511)
   * Changed Build-Depends: Now depends on gettext. (Closes: #105783)
Files: 
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Uploaded gnome-applets 1.4.0.4-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 17:33:10 +0200
Source: gnome-applets
Binary: gnome-applets
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.4.0.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Christian Marillat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 gnome-applets - Various applets for GNOME panel
Closes: 110464
Changes: 
 gnome-applets (1.4.0.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * Fix typo in description (Closes: #110464)
   * Fix some typos in sgml files
Files: 
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Uploaded tilp 4.42-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Mon,  3 Sep 2001 14:49:10 +0200
Source: tilp
Binary: tilp
Architecture: sparc
Version: 4.42-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Julien BLACHE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 tilp   - A TI calculator - PC communication program for X
Changes: 
 tilp (4.42-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release, mainly security fixes regarding chdir handling
 when run as root.
Files: 
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Uploaded findlib 0.5.4-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 21:49:09 +0200
Source: findlib
Binary: ocaml-findlib
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.5.4-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 ocaml-findlib - Management tool for ocaml modules
Closes: 111051
Changes: 
 findlib (0.5.4-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
   * Fixed bug in ocamlmktop option. (closes: Bug#111051)
Files: 
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Uploaded cracklib2 2.7-8.3 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 19:08:44 +0200
Source: cracklib2
Binary: cracklib2 cracklib2-dev cracklib-runtime
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.7-8.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Sebastian Rittau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 cracklib-runtime - A pro-active password checker library
 cracklib2  - A pro-active password checker library
 cracklib2-dev - a pro-active password checker library
Closes: 107112
Changes: 
 cracklib2 (2.7-8.3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload with permission of maintainer.
   * Closes an annoying warning produced by the cron.daily scipt when
 /bin/sh is linked against /bin/ash. (Closes: #107112)
   * Fixed a similar problem in debian/dpkg.common/clean.
Files: 
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cracklib2_2.7-8.3_sparc.deb
 00aba3dcb98cd6898944d8579c9d5603 24972 devel optional 
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Uploaded libedit 2.5.cvs.20010821-5 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 15:08:59 +0200
Source: libedit
Binary: libedit-dev libedit2
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.5.cvs.20010821-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Gergely Nagy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libedit-dev - BSD editline and history libraries (development files)
 libedit2   - BSD editline and history libraries
Changes: 
 libedit (2.5.cvs.20010821-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * debian/control: priority set to optional, as per the request of
   Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED].
   * debian/scripts/ld-hack.sh: wrapper around gcc to fool pmake
   * debian/rules: use ld-hack.sh and an appropriate SHLIB_SHFLAGS
   to work around pmake, which tries to link with ld instead of gcc.
   This fixes the build problem on at least hppa.
Files: 
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libedit2_2.5.cvs.20010821-5_sparc.deb
 65342990a0075d12072afc7d0982bdb1 66244 devel optional 
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Uploaded kde-designer 2.3.1-3 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 01:03:00 -0700
Source: kde-designer
Binary: kde-designer
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2:2.3.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 kde-designer - QT GUI Designer (With KDE Widget support)
Closes: 110122
Changes: 
 kde-designer (2:2.3.1-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Don't use gcc3 for alpha now
   * Change priority (Closes: #110122)
   * Add manpage
Files: 
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Uploaded syslog-ng 1.5.9-2 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 09:43:41 +0200
Source: syslog-ng
Binary: syslog-ng
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.5.9-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: SZALAY Attila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 syslog-ng  - Next generation logging daemon
Closes: 76
Changes: 
 syslog-ng (1.5.9-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Oooopss. Now really remove /proc/kmsg from src. Closes: #76
Files: 
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Uploaded gtkmathview 0.2.7-1 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 21:41:18 +0200
Source: gtkmathview
Binary: libgtkmathview0 libgtkmathview-dev libgtkmathview-bin
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.2.7-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Stefano Zacchiroli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libgtkmathview-bin - A GTK widget for rendering MathML documents.
 libgtkmathview-dev - A GTK widget for rendering MathML documents.
 libgtkmathview0 - A GTK widget for rendering MathML documents.
Changes: 
 gtkmathview (0.2.7-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
Files: 
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libgtkmathview0_0.2.7-1_sparc.deb
 b1e630b64280e1fac1feda153d561686 329558 devel optional 
libgtkmathview-dev_0.2.7-1_sparc.deb
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Uploaded samba 2.2.1a-9 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 23:10:41 -0400
Source: samba
Binary: smbfs swat libpam-smbpass smbclient samba-common samba-doc samba
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.2.1a-9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Eloy A. Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libpam-smbpass - pluggable authentication module for SMB password database
 samba  - A LanManager like file and printer server for Unix.
 samba-common - Samba common files used by both the server and the client.
 smbclient  - A LanManager like simple client for Unix.
 smbfs  - mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels = than 2.2.
 swat   - Samba Web Administration Tool
Closes: 53672 110963 111036
Changes: 
 samba (2.2.1a-9) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Replaced $(LD) with $(CC) all the way through source/Makefile.
 Closes: #111036: ld shouldn't be used to link shlibs.
   * s/\/bin\/mail/\/usr\/bin\/mail/ in smb.conf's man page (HTML and
 sgml as well.)
 Closes: #110963: smb.conf: mail should be /usr/bin/mail.
   * Documented better smbclient's -W behavior. Patch from Steve
 Langasek.
 Closes: #53672: smbclient: -W flag is interpreted as domain, not
 workgroup.
Files: 
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 cbe4f40118efddce159b73c660a9650e 789320 net optional 
samba-common_2.2.1a-9_sparc.deb
 ad841946a0038fe67f09ec2451c010d6 948852 net optional 
smbclient_2.2.1a-9_sparc.deb
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Uploaded noweb 2.9a-6 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Mon,  3 Sep 2001 18:30:17 +0200
Source: noweb
Binary: nowebm
Architecture: sparc
Version: 2.9a-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Federico Di Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 nowebm - A WEB-like literate-programming tool.
Closes: 109356
Changes: 
 noweb (2.9a-6) frozen unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Added build deps (Closes: #109356).
   * Bumped up policy version.
Files: 
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Uploaded ghostview 1.5-25 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 00:51:15 +0200
Source: ghostview
Binary: ghostview
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.5-25
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Jan-Hendrik Palic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 ghostview  - a PostScript viewer for X11
Changes: 
 ghostview (1.5-25) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * corrected one misspelled word debian/copyright (lintian-warning).
Files: 
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Uploaded samhain 1.2.6-4 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 19:42:25 +0200
Source: samhain
Binary: samhain
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.2.6-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 samhain- Data integrity and intrusion alert system
Closes: 110841
Changes: 
 samhain (1.2.6-4) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Added debconf note and samhain initialization in background (Closes: 
#110841)
   * Changed section to admin.
Files: 
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Uploaded xkbsel 0.13-8 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Wed,  5 Sep 2001 12:35:46 +0200
Source: xkbsel
Binary: libxkbsel-dev xkbsel-gnome xkbsel
Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.13-8
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Milan Zamazal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libxkbsel-dev - Tool for defining, selecting, and indicating XKB keyboards.
 xkbsel - Tool for defining, selecting, and indicating XKB keyboards.
 xkbsel-gnome - Tool for defining, selecting, and indicating XKB keyboards.
Closes: 109843
Changes: 
 xkbsel (0.13-8) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Build-depend on autoconf2.13 instead of autoconf; closes: #109843.
Files: 
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Uploaded bonsai 1.3+cvs20010722-2 (sparc) to ftp-master

2001-09-06 Thread Debian/SPARC Build Daemon
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Date: Tue,  4 Sep 2001 22:08:05 +0200
Source: bonsai
Binary: bonsai
Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.3+cvs20010722-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Rmi Perrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 bonsai - The famous Mozilla CVS query tools by web interface
Changes: 
 bonsai (1.3+cvs20010722-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Change priority to extra while bonsai depend on lxr which is
 priority extra (closees: #24).
   * Add Netscape Public License 1.1 since most file of bonsai
 are subject to this license.
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Uploaded pvm 3.4.2-7.3 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Source: pvm
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Architecture: sparc
Version: 3.4.2-7.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libpvm3- Parallel Virtual Machine - shared libraries
 pvm- Parallel Virtual Machine - binaries and shared libraries
 pvm-dev- Parallel Virtual Machine - development files
Closes: 100050 100857
Changes: 
 pvm (3.4.2-7.3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Non-maintainer upload
   * fix lib/pvmgetarch to detect linux mips correctly. (closes #84939)
   * make pvm-dev depending on libreadline-dev. (closes: #100050, 100857)
   * add m4 to build depends.
   * clean with rm -rf instead of rmdir.
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Uploaded jikes 1.14-0.4 (sparc) to ftp-master

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Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.14-0.4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Description: 
 jikes  - Fast Java compiler adhering to language and VM specifications
Changes: 
 jikes (1.14-0.4) unstable; urgency=low
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   * Non maintainer upload (nobody can contact to Mike Goldman).
   * modified configure.in.h src/config.h.in for
 setlocale() and nl_langinfo().
   * unset encoding when nl_langinfo() value is ANSI_X3.4-1968 at jikesapi.cpp.
 This means use ISO-8859-1 when locale is C
   * undefined HAVE_DYNAMIC_CAST in expr.cpp because kissme-classpath
 can't be compiled.(maybe dynamic cast don't work correctly.)
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Version: 1.1.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Bradley Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 red-carpet - Ximian's next-generation software manager and updater
Closes: 110759
Changes: 
 red-carpet (1.1.2-2) unstable; urgency=low
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   * Fix to work with changes to libgal, recompile (Closes: #110759)
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 pchar  - Characterize the bandwidth, latency and loss on network links
Closes: 105294
Changes: 
 pchar (1.4-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * The autoconf can bite me release.
   * Use two separate tests to check for libsnmp with and without ssl
 support (Closes: #105294)
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Matej Vela [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 wv - Convert and preview Microsoft Word documents.
Closes: 110675
Changes: 
 wv (0.6.7-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version.
   * make_epses.sh: Use wmf2eps (libwmf2) rather than wmftoeps, after
 checking whether it's installed.  Closes: #110675.
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Massimo Dal Zotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 nap- Napster console client
Changes: 
 nap (1.4.6-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream version.
 .
   * In configure script changed bindir to ${exec_prefix}/usr/bin.
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Avery Pennarun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 netselect  - Choose the fastest server automatically.
Closes: 111338
Changes: 
 netselect (0.3-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Don't sudo if we think we're root so we can build with fakeroot;
 closes: #111338.
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Source: gnome-guile
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Architecture: sparc
Version: 1:0.20-6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: James LewisMoss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libguilegnome-dev - Dev libraries for gnome-guile scheme interpreter (part of 
Gnome)
 libguilegnome0 - Libraries for gnome-guile scheme interpreter (part of Gnome)
 libguilegtk-dev - Dev libraries for Guile-Gtk scheme interpreter
 libguilegtk0 - Libraries for Guile-Gtk scheme interpreter
Closes: 63
Changes: 
 gnome-guile (1:0.20-6) unstable; urgency=low
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   * Add autoconf to build depends. (Closes: #63)
Files: 
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Architecture: sparc
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 diald  - dial on demand daemon for PPP and SLIP.
Closes: 74294 84512 93826 97424 111075
Changes: 
 diald (0.99.4-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Missed a Build-Depend on libwrap-dev.  Closes: #84512, #93826,
 #111075.
   * Corrected a typo in standard.filter.  Closes: #74294.
   * Fixed default connect script so a newline isn't sent immediately
 after connect.  Closes: #97424.
   * Fixed purge in postrm to really clean up config files.
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Version: 1:0.1dev6+cvs20010830-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Junichi Uekawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 qtecasound - ecasound qt version.
Closes: 111076
Changes: 
 qtecasound (1:0.1dev6+cvs20010830-2) unstable; urgency=low
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   * adding libtool build-dep, thanks james (closes: #111076)
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Source: gtkmm
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Architecture: sparc
Version: 1.2.7-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Bradley Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 libgtkmm-dev - C++ wrapper for GTK (development files)
 libgtkmm1.2 - C++ wrappers for GTK (shared libraries)
Closes: 110833
Changes: 
 gtkmm (1.2.7-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Move build-dep-indep items back to build-dep (Closes: #110833)
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Architecture: sparc
Version: 0.12+cvs0903-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian/sparc Build Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Changed-By: Takuo KITAME [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: 
 evolution  - The group ware suite
 evolution-dev - Group ware suite -- other development files
 libcamel-dev - generic messaging library -- development files
 libcamel0  - A generic Messaging Library
Closes: 111079 59
Changes: 
 evolution (0.12+cvs0903-2) unstable; urgency=low
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   * Fix build-depends (closes: #111079, #59)
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Debian way de modifier un fichier de config d'un autre paquet

2001-09-06 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
Bonjour,

Je ne suis pas (encore) développeur Debian et c'est mon premier post sur
cette liste.

J'ai empaqueter un driver (gp-core) [1] qui est utilisé par un driver
d'asbtraction supérieure (pcscd) [2].

Mon driver gp-core doit indiquer sa présence en modifiant le fichier de
configuration /etc/reader.conf qui appartient à l'autre paquet pcscd en
incluant des lignes du genre :

FRIENDLYNAME  Gemplus GemPC410
DEVICENAMEGEMCORE
LIBPATH   /usr/lib/pcsc/drivers/libgp_core.so.2.0
CHANNELID 0x0103F8

Ma question est : comment faire proprement l'ajout de ces lignes à
l'installation du paquet et l'effacement de ces même lignes lorsque le
paquet est enlevé (ou lorsque l'utilisateur veut activer/désactiver mon
driver à l'aide de debconf) ?

La solution qui ce raproche le plus de ce que je recherche est
update-inetd(8) qui permet de modifier /etc/inetd.conf.

J'ai peur que update-inetd(8) ne sache pas très bien gérer plusieurs
lignes d'un coup et je me demande si il n'y a pas une commande Debian
qui ferait ce que je cherche.

Merci pour votre aide.


[1] http://ludovic.rousseau.free.fr/softwares/gp-core/gp-core.html
[2] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/pcscd.html

-- 
Ludovic Rousseau   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Normaliser Unix c'est comme pasteuriser le Camembert, L.R. --




Re: Debian way de modifier un fichier de config d'un autre paquet

2001-09-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:27:45PM +0200, Ludovic Rousseau écrivait:
 FRIENDLYNAME  Gemplus GemPC410
 DEVICENAMEGEMCORE
 LIBPATH   /usr/lib/pcsc/drivers/libgp_core.so.2.0
 CHANNELID 0x0103F8
 
 Ma question est : comment faire proprement l'ajout de ces lignes à
 l'installation du paquet et l'effacement de ces même lignes lorsque le
 paquet est enlevé (ou lorsque l'utilisateur veut activer/désactiver mon
 driver à l'aide de debconf) ?

Il n'y a pas de solution miracle, selon le contrôle que tu as sur les
fichiers ou les différentes paquets et selon la syntaxe du fichier tu
peux :
- modifier le fichier de conf avec sed (cf le paquet sympa par exemple
  pour voir comment il modifie /etc/aliases)
- regénérer le fichier de conf à partir de plein de fichiers dans
  /etc/reader.conf.d/
  C'est le principe du update-modules de modutils.
- avoir un programme qui permet de modifier le fichier de config
  (comme update-inetd ou syslog-facility). Mais il n'y a pas de
  programme universel pour modifier un autre fichier ...

Si tu as le contrôle des 2 paquets, je suggère la deuxième solution qui
est la plus clean. Sinon tu devras te rabattre sur la première solution.

Il est à noter que la debian policy interdit à un paquet de modifier les
fichiers de conf des autres paquets ... m'enfin bon.

 J'ai peur que update-inetd(8) ne sache pas très bien gérer plusieurs
 lignes d'un coup et je me demande si il n'y a pas une commande Debian
 qui ferait ce que je cherche.

update-inetd ne marchera jamais pour ton fichier, il sert juste à mettre à
jour inetd.conf et aucun autre fichier.

A+
-- 
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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:23:12PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:46:12PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
 With this the maintainers get some mails from the translator
 project. More like now. Now we only at the start, now we don't make
 a real review process. Now we have only 10 languages. 
 
 I thought there was mention of translations mailing lists where all the
 translations are sent to in addition to the maintainer. I thought that was
 the review process.

yes and no.

Now all french translations are send to the debian-i10n-french ML ist.
Because of this we have more fr updates like de or pt_BR.

But after some time the ddts server will make a own review process. It
will send all finish translated description a second time to the
translators for a review.



Gruss
Grisu
-- 
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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 03:56:38PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
 
  Previously Nick Phillips wrote:
   Well, shouldn't it? Wouldn't it make sense to have the translated 
   description
   in there rather than the original one?
 
  I actually makes more sense to remove even the english description
  from status to another location.
 
 Note, that there is no reason dpkg could not be modified to read from multiple
 status files.

what? 

sorry, but in a other mail you say:
 It needs to be stored, in /var/lib/dpkg/status, as a single file.  This is so
 that dpkg can make safe updates to it.  Trying to sync multiple files is not a
 simple solution.

I am right and the translated description don't need be store in the
status file?


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-- 
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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:42:12PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:08:52AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
  
   On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:46:12PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
   The maintainer need not do anything. Maybe he don't know the
   translation. The user only use this. This need only the
   translators.
   
   While we're on the subject, can you get someone to translate your mails
   into a comprehensible dialect of English?
  
  Branden, please don't be rude.
 
 True, Branden was rude. But the fact that grisu's emails are sometimes hard 
 to understand has been a stumbling block for me; it would certainly help to
 get a translator/editor for the full blown proposals.

sorry, about this problem.

Maybe someone can help and translate the proposal.

Gruss
Grisu
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Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 06:30:27PM -0700, Neil T. Spring wrote:
 My point is: the maintainers have spoken.  If we're going
 to make progress in helping users behind broken equipment,
 we're going to have to find another way that doesn't offend
 Herbert, Craig, and Anthony's sense of idealism.

I'm not sure what you mean by idealism but surely it's obvious the
solution that's closest to ideal for the most users should be chosen as
the default. We've currently had what options?

 1) Disable ECN in the kernel, and let people who want it recompile
the kernel by hand. Pros: doesn't hurt anyone, follows the upstream
kernel defaults.  Cons: makes it hard for people to enable, which
in the long term damages the Internet's resiliance to DoS attacks.

 2) Leave ECN in the kernel, but disable it externally by default. Pros:
doesn't hurt anyone, makes it easy to change. Cons: requires kludging
around in other packages (boot-floppies and procps/netbase)

 3) Leave ECN in the kernel, enabled by default. Pros: easy to setup, easy
to change after the fact. Cons: neophytes can easily be confused when
random sites start not working unpredictably from Debian machines
but work fine elsewhere.

Another option, which would require a minor patch to the kernel, would be
to have ECN default to disabled even when compiled into the kernel (and
thus require an explit 'echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' to enable).
This'd be analagous to the current behaviour with IP forwarding.

There might be other options too.

Cheers,
aj

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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Scott Dier
* Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010905 20:01]:
 whether they can deal with that or not.  Debians sole responsibility is to
 see it is properly documented somewhere.  If people don't read the

*Please* dont document this in debconf.  Do it in a README.Debian or the
release notes.

I *really dont* want to see 'important' information in debconf and not a
README.Debian file.
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Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread Scott Dier
* Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010905 20:17]:
 the correct solution is to NOT compile ECN support into the distribution
 kernels. that's a choice that should be left up to the individual system

So, lets fix one problem by creating another problem!  ECN isn't there
anymore!

What if some users were actually using that?

ECN IS NOT A USELESS RFC. ECN IS NOT A USELESS RFC.

some people actually like to use this stuff.

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Re: mac parts?

2001-09-06 Thread Scott Dier
* Rick Younie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010905 20:03]:
 that still needs a few gig narrow SCSI disk and matched sets of
 30-pin ram.  If someone can loan some parts to the cause it will

As sick as it is, I might have 4 4mb 30pin ram laying around somewhere,
would this help?

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Reasons why package central approach to handling translations may be suboptimal

2001-09-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa

Hello, 

I have been reading the DDTS thread, and seeing that it was resolving into
a each package should maintain their translation. I would like to
present what I  think may be problematic in that approach :

1. This results in filing random bugs in BTS in random manner. Telling the
submitter to re-submit in a more useful format, and not gettinga response
is bad. Many of the debconf translation bugs have translated text
inserted in the mail body. It should really be an attachment if it were to
be handled sanely, to preserve the intended encoding. (for example,
Japanese mail is in ISO-2022-JP, while debconf data should be in euc-jp).
BTS doesn't seem to like attachments either.

2. A package is re-uploaded with translation. There is a package 
uploaded with one-line changelog saying something like
Merged spanish templates. It is a load to
autobuilder/ftpmirror/etc. and of course manual intervention 
to rebuild a package means that an error occurs, and it does.

The main problem here is that translation start after the initial 
upload of packageto Debian happens, which means there will be
a -2 Debian package which will include the translation, and 
a -1 Debian package will have no translation.


3. No choice of I want this locale and not others.




This is the reason I think the translation data would be 
better off maintained outside of usual packages.


regards,
junichi

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Re: funny idle time from time

2001-09-06 Thread Brian May
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:13:00PM -0400, Norbert Veber wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 12:12:46PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
  On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:35:05AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
   Also, if a computer is running slowly, but top says the CPU has plenty
   of idle time and free RAM, is there anyway I can find out what is
   wrong?
  
  most likely slow disks.
 
 Your system is supposed to multitask regardless if your disks are slow or
 not.  Unfortunatelly the default settings are quite conservative and give
 very bad performance via older disks.
 
 Try reading man hdparm.  The most useful setting is enabling DMA (which
 needs additional kernel support for your chipset), there is also the unmask
 irq setting which lets your machine (somehow) process other interrupts while
 waiting for disk IO, and the 32-bit access.
 
 This however can lead to data corruption on crappy hardware, so test
 thoughtly before making the change long-term..

Thanks for the tip. It sounds exactly like my problem: system runs extremely 
slowly 
while find runs in the background. This was when find was searching 
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.8,
which is not NFS 

Unfortunately, this system already has DMA enabled by default:

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 I/O support  =  0 (default 16-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 nowerr   =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 1247/255/63, sectors = 20044080, start = 0
pluto:~# hdparm /dev/hdb

/dev/hdb:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 I/O support  =  0 (default 16-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 nowerr   =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 1871/255/63, sectors = 30064608, start = 0

top says:

 16:38:03 up 13 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.71, 1.40, 0.70
91 processes: 88 sleeping, 2 running, 1 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:   7.8% user,  34.0% system,   2.9% nice,  55.3% idle
Mem:126564K total,   123764K used, 2800K free,38828K buffers
Swap:   497972K total,59796K used,   438176K free,11732K cached

  PID USER PRI  NI  SIZE  RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM   TIME COMMAND
 2170 root  19  10   224  132   132 R N  10.0  0.1   0:04 find
 2193 root  17   0   920  912   700 R 6.7  0.7   0:00 top
  632 jan   15   0 17460  11M 11168 S 5.8  9.0   0:10 mozilla-bin

and I don't think you can really say that this is a slow computer either:

pluto:/proc/2170# cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
cpu family  : 6
model   : 6
model name  : Celeron (Mendocino)
stepping: 5
cpu MHz : 434.327
cache size  : 128 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 2
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat 
pse36 mmx fxsr
bogomips: 865.07

Bootup harddisk information:

Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
PIIX4: chipset revision 1
PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:DMA
hda: WDC WD102AA, ATA DISK drive
hdb: WDC WD153AA, ATA DISK drive
hdd: MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8583A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 20044080 sectors (10263 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=1247/255/63, UDMA(66)
hdb: 30064608 sectors (15393 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=1871/255/63, UDMA(66)
Partition check:
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2  p5 p6 p7 
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p2  p5 p6 p7 
8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.18

So I can only conclude that something is very odd with this computer, but I 
don't know
what.
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Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:37:02AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
 So, lets fix one problem by creating another problem!  ECN isn't there
 anymore!

So? Neither is a lot of options. You can recompile a kernel just
as well as anyone else.
 
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dispersive translation via DDTS

2001-09-06 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi,

I am now working on Debian Description Translation Project.
I have a request on the behavior of DDT Server.

According to the FAQ, a person (A) who translated a package into
a language will has a priviledge on the translation of the package.
I.e., if someone (B) wants to modify the translation, B needs A's
help for his/her translation to be finally adopted.  A problem of
this policy is that if A has gone the project, nobody will be able
to modify the translation.  Another problem is that leading translator
will continue to load the responsibility of the pakcage translation.
Fear of this continuing and growing responsibility can hesitate
translators to translate as many packages as possible.

I rather like a more dispersive equality model like CVS.  In CVS,
every committer have equal right to commit their modifications.
We will think about committing priviledge control (account issuing)
to avoid attack to DDTS.  I think the account issuing job should be
done by language cordinators.

I only read the FAQ of DDTS.  I have never experiened this situation.
Sorry if I misunderstand the FAQ.

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Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread Neil T. Spring
 Another option, which would require a minor patch to the kernel, would be
 to have ECN default to disabled even when compiled into the kernel (and
 thus require an explit 'echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' to enable).
 This'd be analagous to the current behaviour with IP forwarding.
 
Eduard Bloch suggested this on 9/2, though it took me a
while to understand what he meant:

  Good. The problem - it is on by default in our precompiled kernel-image  
  packages. To disable (by default), you have to remove ECN support from
  kernel or either patch the kernel to make int off-as-default (*) or put
  in in the template of sysctl.conf.  

  (*) I doubt Herbert Xu would like such modifications.  

And Herbert replied on 9/3:

  2. The kernel will not be patched to disable it by default with INET_ECN
  compiled in as the same thing can be easily achieved from user space.

It could be a nice solution that would satisfy my insane
desire that enabling ECN should be a one-step process -
either in kernel configuration or by manually editing
sysctl.conf.

-neil




Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread tpo2

Thanks for caring Anthony!

Zitiere Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au:

 I'm not sure what you mean by idealism but surely it's obvious the
 solution that's closest to ideal for the most users should be chosen as
 the default. We've currently had what options?
 
  1) Disable ECN in the kernel, and let people who want it recompile
 the kernel by hand. Pros: doesn't hurt anyone, follows the upstream
 kernel defaults.  Cons: makes it hard for people to enable, which
 in the long term damages the Internet's resiliance to DoS attacks.
 
  2) Leave ECN in the kernel, but disable it externally by default.
 Pros:
doesn't hurt anyone, makes it easy to change. Cons: requires
 kludging
around in other packages (boot-floppies and procps/netbase)

Cons for procps: solving it here is a techincally bad choice, since
it would require procps to decide to assign the flag based on available kernel 
options. Which is doable for this specific problem but is not a
general solution for similar problems.

Pros netbase: The message ECN disabled: use /etc/network/options to enable
keeps reminding the user which rises the probability that s/he will enable it 
later and so serve the purpose of ECN in the first place.

  3) Leave ECN in the kernel, enabled by default. Pros: easy to setup,
 easy
to change after the fact. Cons: neophytes can easily be confused
 when
random sites start not working unpredictably from Debian machines
 but work fine elsewhere.

Cons: if upstream doesn't accept the changed default and include it, there
forever be a fork between Debian an the main kernel. Changing the default
upstream will cause a lot of trouble there which makes it not very probable.
IMO this would be the cleanest solution though.

 Another option, which would require a minor patch to the kernel, would
 be
to have ECN default to disabled even when compiled into the kernel (and
 thus require an explit 'echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn' to enable).
 This'd be analagous to the current behaviour with IP forwarding.
 
 There might be other options too.

Both 1) and 3) would require action from the kernel-image maintainer, which
requires someone else than me talking to him since he's either not seeing
ECN as his problem at all:

 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=110862msg=8

or just ignoring my reports:

 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=110862msg=14

*t




Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-06 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:37:02AM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
 * Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010905 20:17]:
  the correct solution is to NOT compile ECN support into the distribution
  kernels. that's a choice that should be left up to the individual system
 
 So, lets fix one problem by creating another problem!  ECN isn't there
 anymore!

no, that isn't a problem. the kernel works just fine without ECN being
enabled.

if you want it, you do what every other user of the linux kernel has to do
and compile a new kernel with support for it.

quite frankly, if someone doesn't know how to compile a kernel then
they're not qualified to decide whether they want to use it or not. in
that case, the correct course of action for a package maintainer is to
cause the least harm.

the fact is that there is no possibility of harm if ECN is disabled
in the kernel, while there IS possibility of harm if it is enabled.
therefore it should be disabled by default. 

anyone who is running servers busy enough that they actually need ECN
should have enough of a clue to know how to compile a kernel and enable
it.

 What if some users were actually using that?

see above.

since it's only been enabled in recent kernel-image packages, very few
(if any) people will be be surprised by it being removed again.


 ECN IS NOT A USELESS RFC. ECN IS NOT A USELESS RFC.

of course it's not.  it will eventually be universal.


 some people actually like to use this stuff.

yes, i know.  i use it.

however, it's an experimental feature which isn't needed on the debian 
distributed kernel images.

it might be appropriate to have it on by default in a year or so. but
not now.

craig

ps: why is it that so many people get so upset if their pet
feature-of-the-month isn't the default in debian? debian's defaults
should conform to the principles of Least Suprise and Least Harm, not
the principle of Maximal GeeWhizzery.

it's only a default, get over it.

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Re: dispersive translation via DDTS

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:12:12PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:
 According to the FAQ, a person (A) who translated a package into
 a language will has a priviledge on the translation of the package.
 I.e., if someone (B) wants to modify the translation, B needs A's
 help for his/her translation to be finally adopted.  A problem of
 this policy is that if A has gone the project, nobody will be able
 to modify the translation.  Another problem is that leading translator
 will continue to load the responsibility of the pakcage translation.
 Fear of this continuing and growing responsibility can hesitate
 translators to translate as many packages as possible.

Yes, I make the first translator like a owner of the translation. 

And since 2(?) weeks, only the first translator can upload a new
translation. If a other translator send a changed translation to the
server, it will send a mail to the first translator with the old and
new translation and a diff. 

This is the first step of the BTS in the ddts. Now we have only the
notification mail. 

In future the server will make this: 
 - the translator must resende the package (maybe unchanges) or close
   the bug
 - If the translator don't send the bug back to the system in 4 weeks,
   he will remove as translator of this package and the bug submitter
   get a 'you can take over this package' mail
 - If the submitter don't take over the package, the server will put
   the description back in the pool again.

Also can every coordinator change a translation on request. 

 I rather like a more dispersive equality model like CVS.  In CVS,
 every committer have equal right to commit their modifications.
 We will think about committing priviledge control (account issuing)
 to avoid attack to DDTS.  I think the account issuing job should be
 done by language cordinators.

what is your opinion? Solve the above solution the problem?

The server need a translator per description, it need a email address.
If a maintainer change a description, the server will send a update
mail to the translator. For it the server need the email address.

 I only read the FAQ of DDTS.  I have never experiened this situation.
 Sorry if I misunderstand the FAQ.

one thing to the ddts:
  The ddts is only at the beginning and I change daily the code. We
  have now only 60% of the ddts running. I have a long TODO list and
  some ideas for the future.

  If you have problems or improvements, please write a mail. 


Gruss
Grisu
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Re: funny idle time from time

2001-09-06 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:42:14PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
 /dev/hda:
  unmaskirq=  0 (off)

 /dev/hdb:
  unmaskirq=  0 (off)

Turn those on and see if it helps...

-- 
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http://svana.org/kleptog/
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 if you have two of them, the third one comes free.




Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 09:47:05AM +0200, Dominik Kubla wrote:
 
 But the whole discussion here is folly. The whole thing has been discussed
 on linux-kernel by people far more knowlegable in this things than the
 average debian developer.  I think we should follow the conclusions
 from that discussions: enable ECN by default and every non-compliant
 device be dammned.


Assuming that defconfig reflects lkml discussions, it looks like
the answer depends on the architecture. =)  But it appears that
Linus thinks it should be disabled by default.

  uhv:~/linux/linux-2.4.9-rthal5$ grep INET_ECN arch/*/defconfig
  arch/alpha/defconfig:CONFIG_INET_ECN=y
  arch/arm/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/cris/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/i386/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/mips/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/mips64/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/parisc/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/ppc/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/s390/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/s390x/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/sparc/defconfig:# CONFIG_INET_ECN is not set
  arch/sparc64/defconfig:CONFIG_INET_ECN=y
  uhv:~/linux/linux-2.4.9-rthal5$



dave...




Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread tpo2

Well all of this has been said on this thread here allready, but
I'll repeat it never the less to get the facts straight.

Zitiere Dominik Kubla [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:30:12PM +0200, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote:

 But the whole discussion here is folly. The whole thing has been
 discussed
on linux-kernel by people far more knowlegable in this things
 than the
average debian developer.  I think we should follow the
 conclusions
from that discussions: enable ECN by default and every
 non-compliant
device be dammned.

However you, or whoever on the kernel lists might argue, the default in
Linus' kernel sources is off! Please check it yourself.

 Mind you that we are only talking about firewalls here (and all of the
 can be fixed by firmware upgrades, or at least they should).

Fact is some aren't.

 Ordinary
routers have no business altering packets passing through and
 ordinary
hosts have to ignore reserved bits they don't know about.
 Routers
doing NAT are to be treated as firewalls.  If they are broken:
 replace
them.  They will have more bugs that this one anyway.

You are wellcome to be without a fault. Unfortunately a lot of HW/SW isn't.
And often enough it's not up to the user to replace it. He just has to live 
with it.

I think Craig Sanders and Anthony Towns said it best:

Craig:

 the fact is that there is no possibility of harm if ECN is disabled
 in the kernel, while there IS possibility of harm if it is enabled.
 therefore it should be disabled by default.

Anthony:

 I'm not sure what you mean by idealism but surely it's obvious the
 solution that's closest to ideal for the most users should be chosen as
 the default.

*t




Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:44:01PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
 See also the other mail: 50 changes in 10 days in main/sid

In a single package? Huh?

 But if you include the translation only in the debian/control you have 
  - delays (maybe we have a override file and can solve this)
  - you will have outdated translations (like debconf now)

Yes, such is life. I don't see these as being sufficient reason
to invent a completely new system for dealing with this data.

  - you must patch dpkg etc. in a wide way

This is not a good excuse. dpkg is a Debian-specific tool,
and so it should be modified if there is good reason to do so.
Don't work around it.

 We can include the translation in the package. This is not the
 problem, but please not in the control file. The translation is no new
 information of the package, it is only a translation. Only a other form of
 the orignal text.

I don't see why the distinction is necessary.


Hamish
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Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-06 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:02:17AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
  Radovan == Radovan Garabik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Radovan it is LANGUAGE, and you have to set LANG to something
 Radovan (which will be ignored in this case, but has to be set).
 
 Not only does it have to be set, but it looks like it can't be set to C:
 

And it probably should be set to a valid locale (except C and POSIX, that is)
When set to invalid locale, mc shows menus in English, but Hints in LANGUAGE.


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Re: funny idle time from time

2001-09-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Brian May wrote:
snip
 Unfortunately, this system already has DMA enabled by default:

Then switch it off. Put

hdparm -d0 /dev/hdx

in some initscript, and it'll be off.

I've had to do something similar to be able to read my CD-ROM while
accessing the harddisk without read-errors. Unfortunately, not all
hardware is error-free...

snip

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  -- from the movie Antitrust




Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-06 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Sep 05, Radovan Garabik scribbled:
 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:47:26PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
  are set to the fixed-misc USC version and it seems to work fine. The only
  problem I have found is with the Unicode TTF fonts - mkttfdir doesn't
  generate correct fonts.dir file for those AFAICT - all entries have their
  charset set to ISO-8859-1 in the generated file.
 
 use ttmkfdir instead. It still does not generate 10646 encoding in output,
 but at least it will put there all the encodings that the font covers,
 and you can add 10646 entry by hand.
I noticed that it also fails to process fome TTF fonts (check out
http://curiosity.de/downloads/fonts/curefonts.zip - most of them get
ignored when generating fonts.dir)
 
 I have however other problems with ttf fonts - they are 
 EXTREMELY slow. When I use arialuni.ttf (25MB font with the best
 unicode coverage) as main font in konqueror, just drawing a page
 in ASCII takes 2 minutes (PIII 600 MHz). During those 2
Are you using the freetype backend?

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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:43:10PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:44:01PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
  See also the other mail: 50 changes in 10 days in main/sid
 
 In a single package? Huh?

no.

The description of 50 deb-packages from the debian distribution
main/sid/binary-i386 (with 6000 Packages) had changed in the last 10
days.

  But if you include the translation only in the debian/control you have 
   - delays (maybe we have a override file and can solve this)
   - you will have outdated translations (like debconf now)
 
 Yes, such is life. I don't see these as being sufficient reason
 to invent a completely new system for dealing with this data.

No outdated translations is a very big problem. The system should
better show untranslated descriptions than outdated translation. 

Also the delay is a big problem. And if the the maintainer fast and
upload after a change in the translation, we kill all the autobuilder.

A translation is no 'data' like Dependes, Description, Package. 

A translation is only a translation, a other form of the data in a
other languages and a other encoding. And we don't need a completely
new system for translations! We have a old, very well tested system
and we propose to use this system: gettext.

Gettext make all the work and we don't need a new system in dpkg and
apt.

   - you must patch dpkg etc. in a wide way
 
 This is not a good excuse. dpkg is a Debian-specific tool,
 and so it should be modified if there is good reason to do so.
 Don't work around it.

I agree with this.

If we need new features in dpkg, we should patch it. And yes, we have
propose a patch for dpkg.

But you should not break the dpkg with a big patch only for
translation. Make it smart. Use this -9/+30 patch and you have it.

  We can include the translation in the package. This is not the
  problem, but please not in the control file. The translation is no new
  information of the package, it is only a translation. Only a other form of
  the orignal text.
 
 I don't see why the distinction is necessary.

sorry, it is usefull. 

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Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-06 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 03:10:16PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, Radovan Garabik wrote:
  I have however other problems with ttf fonts - they are 
  EXTREMELY slow. When I use arialuni.ttf (25MB font with the best
  unicode coverage) as main font in konqueror, just drawing a page
  in ASCII takes 2 minutes (PIII 600 MHz). During those 2
  minutes, X are unresponding, I cannot even switch to the console.
  Using fontserver at least allows me to switch to the console,
  and using -deferglyphs all helped a bit, but really only a bit.
 
 Use the xfs-xtt font server (which does well with really big fonts, unlike
 the xfsft crap), do not allow the X server to touch such heavy fonts.  Also,

No big change in this regard (maybe a tad faster, but not much).
However, there was one noticeable change (may be a bug in
konqueror though): with xfs-xtt, konqueror stretches pages vertically by a 
factor of something like 100 times ! So you have heading, then several
tens of blank pages, then first paragraph, then several blank
pages etc...

 setting deferglyphs=16 in both the X server and the font server might save
 you a lot of grief.

I have deferglyphs=all

 
  mode and console unusable. This does not seem to happen when I limit
  myself to non-UCS fonts.
 
 Well, the UCS codepath is not as widely used and tested as the ISO-8859
 ones; and CJK fonts (as well as unicode fonts, obviously) sometimes make
 very have usage of features of the ttf spec that easy fonts will not
 touch...
 
 I repeat: do not allow the X server to even touch ttf fonts, or you risk
 crashes. Use the xfs-xtt font server instead (at least, when it crashes, it

ok, I removed references to freetype module from xfree86config and I
will see if it helps (but, path to font server was at the beginning, 
so I guess X was not getting to the fonts)


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Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-06 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:29:11PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
 ** On Sep 05, Radovan Garabik scribbled:

  use ttmkfdir instead. It still does not generate 10646 encoding in output,
  but at least it will put there all the encodings that the font covers,
  and you can add 10646 entry by hand.
 I noticed that it also fails to process fome TTF fonts (check out
 http://curiosity.de/downloads/fonts/curefonts.zip - most of them get
 ignored when generating fonts.dir)

they are not complete - ttmkfdir generates lines only for
encodings the font contains all the chars of (obviously, 
very few - if any - ucs fonts pass this test)
Use -c option with such fonts.


  
  I have however other problems with ttf fonts - they are 
  EXTREMELY slow. When I use arialuni.ttf (25MB font with the best
  unicode coverage) as main font in konqueror, just drawing a page
  in ASCII takes 2 minutes (PIII 600 MHz). During those 2
 Are you using the freetype backend?
 

freetype backend, xfs font server and xfs-ttf font server all
seem to take the same long time.
I tried xtt backend but I was not succesful in setting it up.


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Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-06 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Sep 06, Radovan Garabik scribbled:
[snip]
  I noticed that it also fails to process fome TTF fonts (check out
  http://curiosity.de/downloads/fonts/curefonts.zip - most of them get
  ignored when generating fonts.dir)
 
 they are not complete - ttmkfdir generates lines only for
 encodings the font contains all the chars of (obviously, 
 very few - if any - ucs fonts pass this test)
 Use -c option with such fonts.
OK, thanks. Will use just that :)
 
 
   
   I have however other problems with ttf fonts - they are 
   EXTREMELY slow. When I use arialuni.ttf (25MB font with the best
   unicode coverage) as main font in konqueror, just drawing a page
   in ASCII takes 2 minutes (PIII 600 MHz). During those 2
  Are you using the freetype backend?
  
 
 freetype backend, xfs font server and xfs-ttf font server all
 seem to take the same long time.
 I tried xtt backend but I was not succesful in setting it up.
I must say that I don't have speed/stability problems on my Sid machine with
the Bitstream Cyberbit font (http://www.ccss.de/slovo/unifonts.htm) which is
also quite large (13MB). Nevertheless, fact is that the fixed font works the
best :)). I just wish I could make GNOME display the wide fonts correctly in
the GUI elements...

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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-09-05 Nick Phillips wrote:
 The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error messages,

So, shall we now remove all .po files and other translation from
upstream packages because they are not part of a package? The
translation of the error messages and other messages of a program belong
to the package of it. 

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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, Steve Greenland wrote:
 On 05-Sep-01, 16:35 (CDT), Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote: 
  On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote:
 Why is it so hard to change a few lines and have the default be
 set to *off* and let whoever feels like it enable it?
  
  Because apparently Xu feels equally strong about not allowing someone else's
  irresponsability (the router firmware writer's) to force him to disable
  something he believes is right (or force him to change the default kernel
  behaviour against upstream wishes, or whatever) ?
 
 1. The default kernel behavior is that ECN is completely disabled. 

Yes. However, if one wants the possibility of turning ECN on, it defaults to
enabled. You know that, and so do I and everyone else (worth talking to) in
this thread. Don't push the issue around.

 can't help but think that if someone's first experience with Debian is
 that the network install fails silently because ECN is enabled and some
 router between him and the archive is broken then we have failed to meet
 our (implied?)commitment in the Social Contract. All the newbie is going
 to know is that it doesn't work. Boy, I'm glad we've made our political
 point.
[...]

Sight. I give up. I said it THREE times that we should warn users about the
issue, since Xu does not want to poke the kernel AND he wants the
possibility of turning ECN on in the kernel.

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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Nick Phillips
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:08:25PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote:
 On 01-09-05 Nick Phillips wrote:
  The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error messages,
 
 So, shall we now remove all .po files and other translation from
 upstream packages because they are not part of a package? The
 translation of the error messages and other messages of a program belong
 to the package of it. 

That depends on whether you're distributing one package or thousands.
If upstream includes translations, then we don't have to worry about the
maintainer managing inclusion of whichever languages people happen to write
translations for.

But if we want to be, and are, able to easily add extra translations, or
override poor-quality upstream translations (all without causing hassles for
maintainers), then why not?


Cheers,


Nick
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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:18:04AM -0400, Vociferous Mole wrote:

 I disagree with this. Translation of text that is part of the upstream
 source needs[1] to go to/through the maintainer, as it should be
 integrated upstream.
 
 Steve
 
 [1] Okay, it *could* be sent directly upstream, but often the debian
 maintainer has an established relationship to the upstream author,
 and may be able to fit them into the package more cleanly.

And if the maintainer is in the no time for translations camp, then
nothing happens. There's no reason why we can't cater for all types of
maintainer.


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Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-06 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
Joey Hess wrote:
   - create message on client = gets ignored by isync.
 
 It's supposed to have support for uploading local messages now, but I
 have never seen it work yet.

It actually works here! When I first tried isync (version 0.4) I was
dissatisfied because this wasn't working. I wrote Michael Elkins about
it, but never got a reply. With isync 0.5 it actually seems to work.

Roland

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Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like tail -f, but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-06 Thread Roderick Schertler
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:08:21 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 03:00:08PM -0400, Roderick Schertler wrote:
 On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:44:29 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 said:

 Does 'x'tail mean it's a GUI app ?

 Nope.

 Do you want to go for another name then ? I find it quite confusing. mtail
 or multitail might be clearer.

I can see how there might be some confusion.  This program has been
around for a long time, however.  I believe it was first released, as
xtail, in 1989.

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Re: Reasons why package central approach to handling translations may be suboptimal

2001-09-06 Thread Richard Atterer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:42:00PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
 I have been reading the DDTS thread, and seeing that it was
 resolving into a each package should maintain their translation. I
 would like to present what I think may be problematic in that
 approach :
 1. This results in filing random bugs in BTS in random manner. [snip]

I think there's an answer to this problem: When the maintainer updates
the translations of his package, this should be fully automated.
E.g. just one command

  update-translations --from-mbox my_mail_archive

which fishes out the DDTS messages (which are sent in a standard
layout), or, for people lucky enough to be permanently online, an
update-translations --from-web command in debian/rules which gets
the translation updates directly from the DDTS server.

So far, *everything* related to a Debian package can be found in the
corresponding source package. I don't think it's a good idea to change
this.

 2. A package is re-uploaded with translation. There is a package 
 uploaded with one-line changelog saying something like Merged
 spanish templates. It is a load to autobuilder/ftpmirror/etc. and
 of course manual intervention to rebuild a package means that an
 error occurs, and it does.
 
 The main problem here is that translation start after the initial
 upload of packageto Debian happens, which means there will be a -2
 Debian package which will include the translation, and a -1 Debian
 package will have no translation.

Yes, that's one of the basic problems. IMHO with the proposed
override mechanism via Descriptions-XX.po (or whichever form it is
going to have), this is mostly solved - anyone getting the -1
package from testing will already see the translation. People tracking
unstable may or may not see them, depending on how often they update
and on the speed of the translators.

Some people are concerned that their daily update from unstable will
need too much bandwidth because of all those extra uploads. If the
override mechanism works, I see no reason not to have a policy don't
re-upload if only the translation changed.

 3. No choice of I want this locale and not others.

I assume in particular you mean I prefer this _encoding_? This is a
point that hasn't been discussed at all so far.

Will there be one description .po file per language in the source
package, or one for all translations? The alternatives here are:

- Supply descriptions in UTF-8, and recode them for the user's current
  encoding on the user's machine. Nice and clean, but requires support
  (possibly quite extensive changes) in dpkg/apt. NB, we _do_not_ need
  full Unicode support in all of Debian for this, just in the tools
  that deal directly with the description data.

- Supply descriptions in UTF-8 and recode them to a default encoding
  that root can configure on each machine. Do the recoding immediately
  after an apt-get update or dpkg -i, so the UTF-8 version is
  never stored on the machine. Might be the way to go for the moment,
  even if it's not ideal. Most importantly, it is upwards-compatible
  with the first solution above.

- Pick one default encoding per language and just assume the user uses
  that encoding. Problematic: Should we ever want to change the
  default encoding, there'll be lots of packages using the old
  encoding, and we'd be stuck with it.

I'm all for at least _supplying_ the translations in UTF-8, even if
they're not stored on the user's machine like that for now. Note that
this does not even mean that the translators need to produce
translations in UTF-8 - the DDTS can recode their work into UTF-8.

Comments?

Cheers,

  Richard

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FIXED: screwed up fonts after latest dist-upgrade

2001-09-06 Thread Carl B. Constantine
I found the problem I had with the xfonts-scalable package and xftcache
that I reported. I forgot, that I still had DRI code from sourcefource
running that wasn't updated to the latest XFree86 4.1 release, so their
libraries were interfering with normal operation. I disabled the DRI 
libraries and did the dist-upgrade again to fix the problems and all is 
well now. Guess I'll have to find time to grab the latest DRI code from
cvs.

l8r.

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Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like tail -f, but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-06 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:08:21 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you want to go for another name then ? I find it quite confusing. mtail or
multitail might be clearer.

Changing the upstream name for this sake is a bad idea. Hey, xinetd
doesn't need X as well.

Greetings
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Re: Bug#111274: ITA: doc-linux-ja -- Linux HOWTOs in Japanese

2001-09-06 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:54:45AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 * GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20010905 10:17]:
  I intend to adopt doc-linux-ja, Japanese version of doc-linux.
  The reason to adopt is that Colin Watson is also written as follows:
  
  Marco Budde is packaged in 1999.12, but we JF Project
 
 I already orphaned it.  The same goes for:
(...) 
  * #110948: O: doc-linux-de -- Linux HOWTOs in German

I'd be willing to step in for the Debian package, but the problem is Marco
also seems to be upstream for the German Linux HOWTOs. Does anyone if there's 
German Linux documentation that's still actively developped?

Regards,

Daniel.




Re: ideas about how to package something

2001-09-06 Thread Alberto Gonzalez Iniesta
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:50:56PM -0400, Brandon L. Griffith wrote:
 Should I package each plugin seperately or make one large
 openverse-plugins.deb? I can see pros and cons of each method, such as the
 dict plugin requiring the dict program which in turn has its dependencies
 and such. If I made one large deb then it would have alot of dependencies. But
 if I made several small ones then there would be no problem there, except that
 the entire deb for some of the smaller ones would be just a few kb in size.
 Could someone else out there give me their opinion on this?
 thanks

Hi,

As you already know, I'm quite new to Debian ;-) but here's my opinion 
from what I've learned/seen here. I'll try to group plugins by 
requirements (ie. all those needing dict in a openverse-dict-plugins).
That way you could have the simplest plugins in openverse-base-plugins
(or maybe a better name than 'base') and those requiring more
dependencies in separate packages.

Just my .02 Euro


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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Florian Weimer
Eric Van Buggenhaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:37:28PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
  Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   Why should the default configuration be changed to account for the 
   diminishing number of broken routers on the net?
  
  From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol
  flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even reasonable in some
  environments.
 
 No it's not, you're violating RFC 793.

I was indeed wrong, but not because of RFC 793.  IIRC, there isn't
such a required in this standard.  But RFC 1812 explicitly requires
routers not to check or otherwise deal with unused IP header fields,
and I think this might be extended by analogy to TCP.

OTOH, anyone is free to do anything with packets passing through his
systems.  Internet is not a right. ;-)

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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:43:57PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Eric Van Buggenhaut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:37:28PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
   Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
Why should the default configuration be changed to account for the 
diminishing number of broken routers on the net?
   
   From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol
   flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even reasonable in some
   environments.
  
  No it's not, you're violating RFC 793.
 
 I was indeed wrong, but not because of RFC 793.  IIRC, there isn't
 such a required in this standard.

Yes there is.

RFC 793 reserve bits 'for future use'. These bits may not be
touched by a router or a firewall.
The buggy hardware we are talking about zeroes those bits.
Thus they violate RFC793.

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Re: funny idle time from time

2001-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:42, Brian May wrote:
 and I don't think you can really say that this is a slow computer either:

400MHz CPU, 10/15G disks, by today's standards that is rather slow.  Compare 
it to an Athlon 1.2G with 46G drives...

 So I can only conclude that something is very odd with this computer, but I
 don't know what.

One issue is that IO isn't prioritised/scheduled unlike CPU use.  This means 
that a process that schedules a lot of IO (EG doing a find / when atime is 
enabled) can cause large amounts of disk IO to be queued which kills 
interactive performance.

Maybe some of the options under /proc/sys/vm will let you tune this...

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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Guillaume Morin
Dans un message du 06 Sep à 16:58, Eric Van Buggenhaut écrivait :
 RFC 793 reserve bits 'for future use'. These bits may not be
 touched by a router or a firewall.
 The buggy hardware we are talking about zeroes those bits.
 Thus they violate RFC793.

RFC793 says 

Reserved:  6 bits

Reserved for future use.  Must be zero.


The last statement is the cause of all confusions. s/Must/Should/ would
have been better.

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A script to see how much a package is depended upon.

2001-09-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa

Hello,


I was writing a script to see how much a package is depended upon,
i. e. cumulatively culculating Reverse-Build-Deps, and
Reverse-dependencies. However, I thought it might be useful to see
what kind of packages have a weight, i.e. needs fixing first for 
packages to enter testing.

As I anticipated, it has a lot of loops, and it is going in ridiculous
values. These things should have had trouble when porting to new arches,
but anyway, I have put the script up on
http://mikilab.doshisha.ac.jp/~dancer/analyse-sourcepackages


It requires Packages.gz and Sources.gz on the current directory.

It needs tweaking (like removing all base/required/build-essential packages 
from the 
selection to reduce the number of loops), but anyway.
The number on the left is the superficious number of packages which depend
on this package, hopefully. 


3.24463e+09 liburi-perl
3.24463e+09 libnet-perl
3.24463e+09 libmime-base64-perl
3.24463e+09 libhtml-tagset-perl
3.24463e+09 libhtml-parser-perl
3.24462e+09 libsgmls-perl
3.24462e+09 libi18n-langtags-perl
3.24462e+09 debiandoc-sgml
2.34979e+09 sgml-base
2.34979e+09 sed
1425083059 zlib
1272054460 symlinks
1177662310 sgml-data
923320735 patch
893015369 dpkg
692266802 debianutils
617864726 fileutils
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What is debian.net used for?

2001-09-06 Thread Mikael Hedin
Hi, 

on db.d.o there is instructions for setting a DNS A record for
debian.net.  But I cannot find any explanation on what it is intended
for.  Any pointer or explanation available?

/Micce

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Re: mplayer / divx

2001-09-06 Thread Zdenek Kabelac
Niklas Hoglund wrote:
 
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 12:22:35PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 12:06:10AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
 
  The only real challenge is the borderline processors...
 
 Like my AMD K6-2.  Works well for most movies, but some are almost
 unwatchable because they skip so much (with -framedrop). I compiled mplayer
 locally, so I have some of the optimizations. I'd say the best alternative
 would be to make mplayer detect processor type at runtime and use the
 relevant routines, but lacking that one package for i383, one for MMX and
 one for 3dnow would be nice.

Which will be addressed by using libmmxnow - which will be hopefully
supported by mplayer team (developed in avifile  for this moment)
but with cooperation of mplayer team.

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Bug#111462: ITP: prelude -- Prelude is a new innovative Network Intrusion Detection system designed to be very modular, evolutive, rock solid and fast.

2001-09-06 Thread Igor Genibel
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2001-09-06
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: prelude
  Version : 0.4.2
  Upstream Author : Yoann Vandoorselaere [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://prelude.sourceforge.net/
* License : (GPL)
  Description : Prelude is a new innovative Network Intrusion  Detection
  system designed to be very modular, evolutive, rock solid and fast.
  
 Prelude is a general-purpose hybrid intrusion detection system, written
 entirely from scratch, in C. Right now, it handles all  of  the  TCP/IP
 stack over Ethernet. Prelude is divided into several parts :

* Prelude, the  NIDS  sensor,  responssible  for  real  time  packet
  capture and analysis.

  * The signature engine, designed to be completly  generic  and
evolutive, it is currently able to read Snort  rulesets.  By
simply adding parser, it should permit to load rulesets from
any NIDS easily.

  * The protocol plugins, which can handle packet  at  a  higher
level than prelude do, ie: you  got  a  tcp  packet,  and  a
Protocol plugin detect  that  packet  data  contain  an  rpc
header, so it will decode the rpc header,  and  ask  to  the
associated Detection plugin to analyze the decoded header.

  * A set of detection plugins which job is to analyze the  data
they are interested in (they register the protocol they  are
interested in at initialisation time), and  will  eventually
emmit a security warning. Dection plugin should only be used
for complex intrusion detection that can't be done using the
signature engine.

* A report server, which sensors contacts  in  order  to  report  an
  intrusion, that generate user readable reports using plugins.

  * The reporting plugins, which job is to  decode  the  reports
issued by Detection plugin, and translate them  in  an  user
readable form (ex: syslog report, html report, etc).

-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux tass 2.4.9 #1 mer aoû 29 19:24:43 CEST 2001 i686
Locale: LANG=fr_FR, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR





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Re: Fonts working out of the box

2001-09-06 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:17:48AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:45:38AM +1000, The Nose Who Knows wrote:
  
  What would be the best way of approaching these people who may find that
  Free licenses are the best way to distribute their work?  If we find
  that fontographers are interested, we may gain a lot of good quality
  work quite rapidly.
 
 Write them an email stressing the practical advantages, without boring
 them too much with a free software diatribe.
 
 For example, point out to these designers that if their fonts are DFSG 
 free, they can be distributed with Debian (and Redhat and anything
 else) which will make them useful to a huge group of people who might
 not have heard about them otherwise.

Appropriate font licenses are the X11 license (or minor variants
thereon) and the Arphic license (found in the *arphic* packages or
linked from the GNU license list.

One worry I have, is that we don't really want Debian to have a
large number of 'junk' fonts. I'd prefer any fonts added to
Debian be of reasonably high quality, certainly cover ASCII,
and hopefully a larger codepage (CP1252 is a nice target for
Western European fonts, and Markus Kuhn offered a larger
Latin subset* that would be nice to hit.) I hesitate to argue
against all grunge fonts, but there's a lot of them out there,
they aren't heavy use fonts, and they're better left to the
font archives rather than debian.

*
$ uniset + -017e + 8859-2.TXT + 8859-3.TXT \
  + 8859-4.TXT + 8859-9.TXT + 8859-10.TXT + 8859-13.TXT \
  + 8859-14.TXT + 8859-15.TXT + 8859-16.TXT + CP1252.TXT clean c
{
  { 0x0020, 0x007E }, { 0x00A0, 0x017E }, { 0x0192, 0x0192 },
  { 0x0218, 0x021B }, { 0x02C6, 0x02C7 }, { 0x02D8, 0x02D9 },
  { 0x02DB, 0x02DD }, { 0x1E02, 0x1E03 }, { 0x1E0A, 0x1E0B },
  { 0x1E1E, 0x1E1F }, { 0x1E40, 0x1E41 }, { 0x1E56, 0x1E57 },
  { 0x1E60, 0x1E61 }, { 0x1E6A, 0x1E6B }, { 0x1E80, 0x1E85 },
  { 0x1EF2, 0x1EF3 }, { 0x2013, 0x2015 }, { 0x2018, 0x201A },
  { 0x201C, 0x201E }, { 0x2020, 0x2022 }, { 0x2026, 0x2026 },
  { 0x2030, 0x2030 }, { 0x2039, 0x203A }, { 0x20AC, 0x20AC },
  { 0x2122, 0x2122 }
};



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Re: Fonts working out of the box

2001-09-06 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:14:26PM -0500, David Starner wrote:
 One worry I have, is that we don't really want Debian to have a
 large number of 'junk' fonts. 

Which may be a bit panicy on my part. The same thing could happen
with themes, yet we don't have a problem with an overwhelming
number themes.

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Re: A script to see how much a package is depended upon.

2001-09-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Junichi Uekawa wrote:

 
 Hello,
 
 
 I was writing a script to see how much a package is depended upon,
 i. e. cumulatively culculating Reverse-Build-Deps, and
 Reverse-dependencies. However, I thought it might be useful to see
 what kind of packages have a weight, i.e. needs fixing first for 
 packages to enter testing.
 
 As I anticipated, it has a lot of loops, and it is going in ridiculous
 values. These things should have had trouble when porting to new arches,
 but anyway, I have put the script up on
 http://mikilab.doshisha.ac.jp/~dancer/analyse-sourcepackages
 
 
 It requires Packages.gz and Sources.gz on the current directory.
 
 It needs tweaking (like removing all base/required/build-essential packages 
 from the 
 selection to reduce the number of loops), but anyway.
 The number on the left is the superficious number of packages which depend
 on this package, hopefully. 
 
 
 3.24463e+09 liburi-perl

You need to debug your script. We don't have this much packages in any of
our archives. Not even...

[...]
 29169746 readline4

... this much.

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Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-06 Thread Neil Spring
 RFC793 says 
 
 Reserved:  6 bits
 
 Reserved for future use.  Must be zero.
 
 
 The last statement is the cause of all confusions. s/Must/Should/ would
 have been better.

No; to be forward compatible, a TCP must set the bits
to zero.  2481 describes the operation of those bits and
augments 793, much like SACK augments it.  Some TCP's
have a bug where they set the bits in the SYN/ACK if
they received reserved bits in the SYN, which is why ECN
negotiation is asymmetric.

If you want to blame routers for not implementing
standards, try 791.

  The internet protocol is specifically limited in scope
  to provide the functions necessary to deliver a package
  of bits (an internet datagram) from a source to a
  destination over an interconnected system of networks.

-neil




Re: What is debian.net used for?

2001-09-06 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 6 Sep 2001, Mikael Hedin wrote:

 Hi, 
 
 on db.d.o there is instructions for setting a DNS A record for
 debian.net.  But I cannot find any explanation on what it is intended
 for.  Any pointer or explanation available?

As far as I understood things, it's intended for people to have their own
domain at home, for personal matters.

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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-06 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-09-06 Nick Phillips wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:08:25PM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote:
  On 01-09-05 Nick Phillips wrote:
   The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error 
   messages,

  So, shall we now remove all .po files and other translation from
  upstream packages because they are not part of a package? The
  translation of the error messages and other messages of a program belong
  to the package of it. 

 That depends on whether you're distributing one package or thousands.

Why do make this dependant on the number of packages? I think that using
some count like you do, is a bad thing.

 If upstream includes translations, then we don't have to worry about the
 maintainer managing inclusion of whichever languages people happen to write
 translations for.

 But if we want to be, and are, able to easily add extra translations, or
 override poor-quality upstream translations (all without causing hassles for
 maintainers), then why not?

Because for example I would prefer to be informed if any of my packages
has a bad upstream translation and some has better one for me. Then I
can forward and discuss it with the upstream and he can include it maybe
in the official upstream sources. That way we wouldn't only improve the
translation for people using debian, but also for people who are using
some other free operating system and the upstream package.

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Re: Reasons why package central approach to handling translations may be suboptimal

2001-09-06 Thread Michael Bramer
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:31:49PM +0200, Richard Atterer wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:42:00PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
  I have been reading the DDTS thread, and seeing that it was
  resolving into a each package should maintain their translation. I
  would like to present what I think may be problematic in that
  approach :
  1. This results in filing random bugs in BTS in random manner. [snip]
 
 I think there's an answer to this problem: When the maintainer updates
 the translations of his package, this should be fully automated.
 E.g. just one command
 
   update-translations --from-mbox my_mail_archive
 
 which fishes out the DDTS messages (which are sent in a standard
 layout), or, for people lucky enough to be permanently online, an
 update-translations --from-web command in debian/rules which gets
 the translation updates directly from the DDTS server.
 
 So far, *everything* related to a Debian package can be found in the
 corresponding source package. I don't think it's a good idea to change
 this.

full agree

  2. A package is re-uploaded with translation. There is a package 
  uploaded with one-line changelog saying something like Merged
  spanish templates. It is a load to autobuilder/ftpmirror/etc. and
  of course manual intervention to rebuild a package means that an
  error occurs, and it does.
  
  The main problem here is that translation start after the initial
  upload of packageto Debian happens, which means there will be a -2
  Debian package which will include the translation, and a -1 Debian
  package will have no translation.
 
 Yes, that's one of the basic problems. IMHO with the proposed
 override mechanism via Descriptions-XX.po (or whichever form it is
 going to have), this is mostly solved - anyone getting the -1
 package from testing will already see the translation. People tracking
 unstable may or may not see them, depending on how often they update
 and on the speed of the translators.
 
 Some people are concerned that their daily update from unstable will
 need too much bandwidth because of all those extra uploads. If the
 override mechanism works, I see no reason not to have a policy don't
 re-upload if only the translation changed.

full agree

  3. No choice of I want this locale and not others.
 
 I assume in particular you mean I prefer this _encoding_? This is a
 point that hasn't been discussed at all so far.

see below

 Will there be one description .po file per language in the source
 package, or one for all translations? The alternatives here are:

In a .po file is only one languages. 

So we have n Description.po file (n = Number of supportet languages).
A User must only downloads the needed Descriptions files.

In the source we have control-de.po, control-fr.po, control-es.po, ...
maybe all in one subdir.

 - Supply descriptions in UTF-8, and recode them for the user's current
   encoding on the user's machine. Nice and clean, but requires support
   (possibly quite extensive changes) in dpkg/apt. NB, we _do_not_ need
   full Unicode support in all of Debian for this, just in the tools
   that deal directly with the description data.

no, don't re-invent the wheel. This all make gettext. We don't need
patch apt, dpkg, other toold this way. 

We must only use a old, nice and tested tool: gettext.

 - Supply descriptions in UTF-8 and recode them to a default encoding
   that root can configure on each machine. Do the recoding immediately
   after an apt-get update or dpkg -i, so the UTF-8 version is
   never stored on the machine. Might be the way to go for the moment,
   even if it's not ideal. Most importantly, it is upwards-compatible
   with the first solution above.

we don't need this all

 - Pick one default encoding per language and just assume the user uses
   that encoding. Problematic: Should we ever want to change the
   default encoding, there'll be lots of packages using the old
   encoding, and we'd be stuck with it.

yes, we use one default encoding per languages in the ddtp. 
 
 I'm all for at least _supplying_ the translations in UTF-8, even if
 they're not stored on the user's machine like that for now. Note that
 this does not even mean that the translators need to produce
 translations in UTF-8 - the DDTS can recode their work into UTF-8.

In future the ddts will make this and send UTF-8 encoded po files. I
have get a request von Wichert to use UTF-8 only. We can latin-X etc
recode to UTF-8, so this all is no problem.


Gruss
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