Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:12:27PM +0200, JG wrote: > In gnome2 there is also something called "gnome-settings-dameon". I > don't know exactly what it is used for, but at least the "theme" > preferences use it. (i.e. without gnome-settings-daemon running, all > applications are in the default theme, if gnome-settings-daemon runs, > the applications show my selected theme). AFAIUI (read: not at all) you need to start that gnome-settings-daemon in your .xsession *and* you have to use gnome-keybinding-properties (named to be very easy to find... grmpf!) to set *something* to "emacs". I thought I had found the correct gconf key (/desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme), but it didn't work until I used the afore mentioned program to make the changes. *sigh* Now it works for me. Read /usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-0/README.Debian Key binding === gnome-settings-daemon overrides gtk-key-theme-name in your gtkrc. so if you use GNOME 2, it won't work, and it's not a bug. Please use gnome-keybinding-properties instead of gtk-key-theme-name in your gtkrc. (says he...) Now, if *you* can tell *me* why Epiphay won't let me edit keyboard shortcuts according to: gtk-can-change-accels = 1 (and the seemingly corresponding gconf key, can_change_accels) In fact Epiphay seems to ignore all those things with detachable menus and the like... which gnumeric seems to obey. But gnumeric doesn't let me edit the accels either. And gvim (of all things!) seems to obey them, but it at least has the decency to complain when I try to change the accels the "GTK+ way". Marcelo
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:30:44 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan Wind) wrote:
> On 2003-08-27T09:38:47+0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > Moreover I do not like the new hot keys because I was comfortable
> > with
> > {,} to go {back,foreward}
> > which was replaced by some other keys which are used in my special
> > environment for a different purpose.
>
> Sounds like gnome vs emacs text editing short cuts. You can switch
> between the two with:
>
> GNOME | Applications | Desktop Prefences | Keyboard Shortcuts
You know, I've been reading people say this over and over again. Please
stop because in the case of galeon it has not been true since 1.2.
-g
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Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:28:40 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan Wind) wrote: > On 2003-08-28T13:20:20-0400, Georg Nikodym wrote: > > You know, I've been reading people say this over and over again. > > Please stop because in the case of galeon it has not been true since > > 1.2. > > It worked for me with Galeon 1.3.7, and I guess for those other > people... ;-) Indeed ;-) I'm prepared to accept that this might be a local problem since I don't run all of the gnome tripe (I use pwm). But galeon _does_ cause gconfd to run which is from whence I thought this configuration info comes. And yes, my keyboard shortcuts are most definitely set to Emacs. Thanks anyway. /me considers the pain involved in moving to firebird -g pgpyNE9HC8fsL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On 2003-08-28T13:20:20-0400, Georg Nikodym wrote: > You know, I've been reading people say this over and over again. Please > stop because in the case of galeon it has not been true since 1.2. It worked for me with Galeon 1.3.7, and I guess for those other people... ;-) /Allan -- Allan Wind P.O. Box 2022 Woburn, MA 01888-0022 USA pgpqRtYZzm2rO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:21:22PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Matijs van Zuijlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in > >> unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu at > >> the top of the bookmark menu. > > > > I only have the "Add bookmark" submenu, not the "Add bookmark to" > > submenu (not the "to"), and I'm running 1.3.7.20030813-1. The "Add > > bookmark to" menu items used to appear in every bookmark folder, to add > > bookmarks to that particular bookmark folder. > > Sorry, my memory was playing tricks on me. I remembered seing that menu > recently, but that was in Mozilla, which I had forgotten that I had used > a bit lately (only Galeon 1.2.x on the cs lab computers). > > You can, hower, right-click on a folder in the bookmark menu to get the > sub-menu containing "Add bookmark here". But not to a particular place in the corresponding folder, so you only append it, and then have to fire up the bookmark editor to move it to its right place. That said, it is a huge improvement from the time that there was no add bookmark here in the bookmarks folders at all. Would a add before/after or something such be so difficult to implement ? Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Matijs van Zuijlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in >> unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu at >> the top of the bookmark menu. > > I only have the "Add bookmark" submenu, not the "Add bookmark to" > submenu (not the "to"), and I'm running 1.3.7.20030813-1. The "Add > bookmark to" menu items used to appear in every bookmark folder, to add > bookmarks to that particular bookmark folder. Sorry, my memory was playing tricks on me. I remembered seing that menu recently, but that was in Mozilla, which I had forgotten that I had used a bit lately (only Galeon 1.2.x on the cs lab computers). You can, hower, right-click on a folder in the bookmark menu to get the sub-menu containing "Add bookmark here". -- ilmari
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:27:10AM -0400, Omen Wild wrote: > Quoting Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, Aug 27 09:38: > > > >- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly > > into > > the right place > > Turns out this feature is actually there. Go into your bookmarks like > you are going to open one, right click on the folder, and select "Add > Bookmark Here". Nope, will only append to the folder, not put the new bookmark in the right place immediately. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:50:28PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Piefel wrote: > > > > To answer you other questions after checking on a machine with Galeon > > 1.3 installed: > > > >> Am 27.08.03 um 09:38:47 schrieb Andreas Tille: > >> > >>>- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark > >>> directly into the right place > >> My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours? > > > > ~> dpkg -l galeon | grep ^ii > > ii galeon 1.3.5.20030615 GNOME web browser for advanced users > > > > This and all previous 1.3.x Galeon versions have only two entries in > > the top of the bookmark menu and "add bookmark *to*" is missing. > > That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in > unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu at > the top of the bookmark menu. I think the point is that in galeon 1.3, you cannot add a bookmark directly into a certain place of the bookmark folder, but only can append a bookmark to a given folder. This forces you to then go to the bookmark editor and move things around instead of just adding it to the right place to begin with. I can live with that, but hope that this misfeature will be fixed in a next version or something. As for the URL pasting thingy, you only have to open a new tab, and even if you add the new tab button to your toolbar, you can paste an url into it, and have it open the url in a new tab. Now you only need a similar single paste technique for opening an url in the same tab. I also miss the tab migration between different windows that was present in galeon 1.2 but is only possible to detach tabs in galeon 1.3. But then, again, i can live with that, until it is reintroduced again in a next version. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On 2003-08-27T09:38:47+0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Moreover I do not like the new hot keys because I was comfortable with
> {,} to go {back,foreward}
> which was replaced by some other keys which are used in my special environment
> for a different purpose.
Sounds like gnome vs emacs text editing short cuts. You can switch
between the two with:
GNOME | Applications | Desktop Prefences | Keyboard Shortcuts
/Allan
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Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:50:28PM +0200, Dagfinn Ilmari Manns??ker wrote: > Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Piefel wrote: > > > > To answer you other questions after checking on a machine with Galeon > > 1.3 installed: > > > >> Am 27.08.03 um 09:38:47 schrieb Andreas Tille: > >> > >>>- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark > >>> directly into the right place > >> My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours? > > > > ~> dpkg -l galeon | grep ^ii > > ii galeon 1.3.5.20030615 GNOME web browser for advanced users > > > > This and all previous 1.3.x Galeon versions have only two entries in > > the top of the bookmark menu and "add bookmark *to*" is missing. > > That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in > unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu at > the top of the bookmark menu. I only have the "Add bookmark" submenu, not the "Add bookmark to" submenu (not the "to"), and I'm running 1.3.7.20030813-1. The "Add bookmark to" menu items used to appear in every bookmark folder, to add bookmarks to that particular bookmark folder. -- Matijs van Zuijlen pgpMJOJO05U10.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:50:28 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker) wrote: > That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in > unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu > at the top of the bookmark menu. Huh?!? well I must be blind then... ii galeon 1.3.7.20030813-1 GNOME web browser for advanced users And I don't see no "Add bookmark to"-submenu. Are you sure you didn't do any manual tweeking of some configuration file? grts Tim
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:53:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > I forgot a further very helpful feature: External viewer / editor for viewing > page source is missing. right click->open with > And last but not least I'm missing the "Page information" feature. No doubt > that > the brilliant Galeon programmers are busy reimplementing this stuff I don't think anyone is actually, there are other things which they're more interested in at the moment. Patches would really help speed things up - even if the code you submit isn't that great, sombody would look at it and hopefully work in it. Submitting patches also have the wonderful effect of motivating developers to spend more time on the project. -- .''`. Mark Howard : :' : `. `' http://www.tildemh.com `- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Christian Marillat wrote: > See the discussion on -gnome-gtk. Not shipping galeon in sarge is a big > mistake. Users will be very happys. I think I agree with you. I'm also glad I've switched to firebird.. Sorry about starting a duplicate thread. -- see shy jo pgpKM4OihI3LN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Mark Howard wrote: > right click->open with ... which is not as fast as , isn't it? > I don't think anyone is actually, there are other things which they're > more interested in at the moment. Patches would really help speed things > up - even if the code you submit isn't that great, sombody would look at > it and hopefully work in it. Submitting patches also have the wonderful > effect of motivating developers to spend more time on the project. Thanks for explaining me again how free software works. I see no relevance for submitting patches if the code which provides a feature is in the history of older versions available. I think patiently waiting until those brilliant developers of Galeon will find the time to reimplement these features is fine for me. I just was answering the question, which features are not yet implemented. Kind regards Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Piefel wrote: > > To answer you other questions after checking on a machine with Galeon > 1.3 installed: > >> Am 27.08.03 um 09:38:47 schrieb Andreas Tille: >> >>>- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark >>> directly into the right place >> My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours? > > ~> dpkg -l galeon | grep ^ii > ii galeon 1.3.5.20030615 GNOME web browser for advanced users > > This and all previous 1.3.x Galeon versions have only two entries in > the top of the bookmark menu and "add bookmark *to*" is missing. That's over two months (and two releases) old. The current galeon in unstable is 1.3.7.20030813-1, which has the "Add bookmark to" submenu at the top of the bookmark menu. -- ilmari
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Quoting Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, Aug 27 09:38: > >- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly into > the right place Turns out this feature is actually there. Go into your bookmarks like you are going to open one, right click on the folder, and select "Add Bookmark Here". Omen -- WARNING TO ALL PERSONNEL: Firings will continue until morale improves. pgpk7lUcRb9DR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Piefel wrote: To answer you other questions after checking on a machine with Galeon 1.3 installed: > Am 27.08.03 um 09:38:47 schrieb Andreas Tille: > >- the brush clearing the URL field > ^L not working for you? ^L just marks the URL and thus removes the mouse buffer which I wanted to insert. But the brush *clears* the URL entry and I'm able to paste the mouse buffer into place. That's a difference. > >- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly > > into > > the right place > My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours? ~> dpkg -l galeon | grep ^ii ii galeon 1.3.5.20030615 GNOME web browser for advanced users This and all previous 1.3.x Galeon versions have only two entries in the top of the bookmark menu and "add bookmark *to*" is missing. > >- the quick access to proxy settings and other settings which is nice > > to have in changing environments (Laptop) > Ack. I'm not entirely sure about the philosophy behind it. I think the philosophy is just that you have *quick* access to features you *need*. I forgot a further very helpful feature: External viewer / editor for viewing page source is missing. Moreover the hotkey to view the source vanished. (Again this is no real _problem_ but Galeon was the browser of choice because of its nifty small features which make life easier.) And last but not least I'm missing the "Page information" feature. No doubt that the brilliant Galeon programmers are busy reimplementing this stuff and I would have never claimed about it. My reasoning was about it would be worth to have Galeon inside Debian and if Galeon 1.3.x would not be possible for some reasons, than I would be happy with 1.2.x. Please do not count me among the people who blame developers just because I made this list of not yet implemented features. They did a fine job and probably Gnome 2 integration is worth to cope with this temporarily lack of features. Kind regards Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Michael Piefel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly into >> the right place > My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours? I just updatet to the latest version from experimental and I still don't have this menu. Did you change something with gconftool? --Nikolaus
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Piefel wrote:
> > Moreover I do not like the new hot keys because I was comfortable with
> > {,} to go {back,foreward}
> Revert to galeon 1.2 because you have to press Alt instead of Ctrl?
> Come on!
This was intentionally not mentioned as missing features compared to Galeon 1.2
but as a would be nice to have feature if hot keys would be configurable and
if you would have tried to parse my mail again I was not voting against 1.3.x
Galeon but against having no Galeon at all.
Kind regards
Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Am 27.08.03 um 09:38:47 schrieb Andreas Tille:
>- the brush clearing the URL field
^L not working for you?
>- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly into
> the right place
My menu has that entry, what's wrong with yours?
>- the quick access to proxy settings and other settings which is nice
> to have in changing environments (Laptop)
Ack. I'm not entirely sure about the philosophy behind it.
> Moreover I do not like the new hot keys because I was comfortable with
> {,} to go {back,foreward}
Revert to galeon 1.2 because you have to press Alt instead of Ctrl?
Come on!
Bye,
Mike
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Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:31:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > > Mark Howard wrote: > > > > galeon - GNOME web browser for advanced users > > > > Changes: > > > > galeon (1.3.7.20030825-1) experimental; urgency=low > > > > . > > > >* New CVS Checkout > > > >* Moved to experimental - galeon is not yet stable enough for a > > > > Debian > > > > stable release. Packages in sid and sarge will be removed soon. > > It is not only not stable enough it is lacking some key features which > > forced > > Well, what do you prefer : some missing features, or no galeon at all. I definitely would prefer a Galeon with missing features. But the reason to remove Galeon was its *instability* (which I did not recognized personally) and thus the suggestion was to have the stable branch which would bring up the additional advantage of bringing back those features. That's all. So *any* Galeon is fine for me with a slight preference of the stable branch. > > me to try to port the latest stable Galeon to Sarge. Unfortunately I failed > > in tirst run and had no time to investigate in this task. I think a Galeon > > 1.2.11 in Sarge would be a must have. > > Alternatively, you could help the upstream team re-implementing those > features. Ahhh, thanks for reminding me how free software works. ;-)) Kind regards Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Michael Meskes wrote:
> What does it miss? I'm running 1.3.5 and did not notice that. :-) Okay,
> probably because I don't use these features...
In no special order I'm missing:
- the brush clearing the URL field
- the "add bookmark to" menu entry to put a certain bookmark directly into
the right place
- the quick access to proxy settings and other settings which is nice
to have in changing environments (Laptop)
Probably some others I do not remember quickly. Upstream explains this fact
on the web pages and *I* can understand this but I earnect critics by my
wife ...
Moreover I do not like the new hot keys because I was comfortable with
{,} to go {back,foreward}
which was replaced by some other keys which are used in my special environment
for a different purpose. I should file a wishlist bug report to ask for a
configuration feature for those hot keys but I had no time to check whether
it is just implemented and I was simply not able to find it.
Kind regards
Andreas.
BTW: Font rendering with GTK+2.0 is so much better that switching back to
Galeon 1.2.x would be hard, but the features above are worth it in my
opinion.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:31:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Mark Howard wrote: > > > galeon - GNOME web browser for advanced users > > > Changes: > > > galeon (1.3.7.20030825-1) experimental; urgency=low > > > . > > >* New CVS Checkout > > >* Moved to experimental - galeon is not yet stable enough for a Debian > > > stable release. Packages in sid and sarge will be removed soon. > It is not only not stable enough it is lacking some key features which forced Well, what do you prefer : some missing features, or no galeon at all. > me to try to port the latest stable Galeon to Sarge. Unfortunately I failed > in tirst run and had no time to investigate in this task. I think a Galeon > 1.2.11 in Sarge would be a must have. Alternatively, you could help the upstream team re-implementing those features. Friendly, Sven Luther
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:31:10AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > It is not only not stable enough it is lacking some key features which forced > me to try to port the latest stable Galeon to Sarge. Unfortunately I failed What does it miss? I'm running 1.3.5 and did not notice that. :-) Okay, probably because I don't use these features... Michael -- Michael Meskes Email: Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De ICQ: 179140304, AIM/Yahoo: michaelmeskes, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Christian Marillat wrote: > See the discussion on -gnome-gtk. Not shipping galeon in sarge is a big > mistake. Users will be very happys. s/happys/unhappy/ I do not have to read any list to know very sure that any GNU/Linux distribution which lacks Galeon sucks. Kind regards Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mark Howard wrote: >> galeon - GNOME web browser for advanced users >> Changes: >> galeon (1.3.7.20030825-1) experimental; urgency=low >> . >>* New CVS Checkout >>* Moved to experimental - galeon is not yet stable enough for a Debian >> stable release. Packages in sid and sarge will be removed soon. > > Are you planning to not ship a galeon in sarge at all? Not even one of > the older, fairly stable ones? See the discussion on -gnome-gtk. Not shipping galeon in sarge is a big mistake. Users will be very happys. Christian
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Joey Hess wrote: > Mark Howard wrote: > > galeon - GNOME web browser for advanced users > > Changes: > > galeon (1.3.7.20030825-1) experimental; urgency=low > > . > >* New CVS Checkout > >* Moved to experimental - galeon is not yet stable enough for a Debian > > stable release. Packages in sid and sarge will be removed soon. It is not only not stable enough it is lacking some key features which forced me to try to port the latest stable Galeon to Sarge. Unfortunately I failed in tirst run and had no time to investigate in this task. I think a Galeon 1.2.11 in Sarge would be a must have. Kind regards Andreas.
Re: Accepted galeon 1.3.7.20030825-1 (i386 source)
Mark Howard wrote: > galeon - GNOME web browser for advanced users > Changes: > galeon (1.3.7.20030825-1) experimental; urgency=low > . >* New CVS Checkout >* Moved to experimental - galeon is not yet stable enough for a Debian > stable release. Packages in sid and sarge will be removed soon. Are you planning to not ship a galeon in sarge at all? Not even one of the older, fairly stable ones? The galeon shipped with woody was a complete POS WRT stability, but surely there has been at least one release since then that is worth shipping. -- see shy jo pgpdMoGPAN2p7.pgp Description: PGP signature
