Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Ondřej Surý]

I think all have been said, so I will just join this with +1.

Cheers,
Ondrej

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 02:08, Russ Allbery wrote:
> zlatan  writes:
> 
> > In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
> > writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.
> 
> [...]
> 
> And yet, I don't see how it could have been said better.  Thank you so
> much for putting this into words.
> 
> > I just want the warm community feel back where we do not need some
> > special technical process to reach some consensus but a nice talks
> > between friends because we are afterall friends here. A family. So,
> > please, lets care for each other and do a handshaking and hugging as a
> > consensus for everything.
> 
> +1
> 
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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Torsten Landschoff]

Hi Joey,

Am 2014-11-07 22:04, schrieb Joey Hess:

It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.


Shocking.

Thanks for all the great stuff you did and do, from a Debian user and 
developer. Especially for debhelper, it made packaging so much easier 
(and still does).


Just adding to the flood of emails but I figure it is better to applaud 
too much, especially as most feedback one gets as a developer is about 
bugs and missing features. So consider this a thumbs up from me.


Good luck,

Torsten


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Dominique Dumont]

On Friday 07 November 2014 17:04:10 Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

I'm very sorry to read this. We'll miss you.

All the best

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Andreas Tille]

Hi Faidon,

On Sat, Nov 08, 2014 at 11:46:57AM +0200, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
> 
> Extremely sad to read this, Joey.

+1

I personally feel like loosing a friend.  If I imagine myself to leave
Debian I would leave a major part of my life and I guess its similar for
Joey and that the decision was hard. Joey, I wish you all the best in
your new life.

> I have to say though, I share your sentiments to a very large
> degree: I am, too, quite disappointed from Debian's current state of
> affairs. More to the point, I am, too, quite disappointed by the
> current behavior of the CTTE and by extension, its members.

I have not read that Joey mentioned CTTE or its members but "the
constitution".  I would be really happy if Joey would be more explicit
about what he regards the toxic part of the constitution.
 
> I don't have high respect for the committee as a whole right now and
> this is probably the opposite of how it should be. This is clearly a
> difficult time for the project and, unfortunately, the CTTE is in
> the middle of this debate and I believe it has actively made things
> worse. I don't think the CTTE members share this blame equally (not
> by a long shot), but especially considering the fact that it's a
> self-moderated body, noone is innocent here.
 
I do not share this point of view.  I consider it quite brave if
respected members of the Debian community who gained this respect due to
their technical competence are putting themselves in the line of fire to
draw decisions that need to be drawn to prevent stagnation.  As long as
we do not have some idea how to resolve issues better than by some CTTE
I do not see any point in generally blaming all its members about
innocence.  It is to easy to lean back as an "outsider" to say that
other people did wrong.

Kind regards and Joey, I'd be lucky if our pathes might cross anyway at
some point in time

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Richard Hartmann]

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Joey Hess  wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

see shy jo :(


Richard


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Jonathan Dowland]

Sad news. I wish you all the best for your future endeavours. I hope
to cross paths with you from time to time (maybe I should tidy up my
half finished ikiwiki patches!)

The coincidental timing of Colin leaving the tech-ctte did make me
wonder how different things would be if we could have coerced you into
joining. Great for Debian but perhaps not so much for you...


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Russ Allbery]

zlatan  writes:

> In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am
> writing from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.

[...]

And yet, I don't see how it could have been said better.  Thank you so
much for putting this into words.

> I just want the warm community feel back where we do not need some
> special technical process to reach some consensus but a nice talks
> between friends because we are afterall friends here. A family. So,
> please, lets care for each other and do a handshaking and hugging as a
> consensus for everything.

+1

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Gunnar Wolf]

Joey Hess dijo [Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400]:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

How can the Master Fisherman thank us for all the fish?

Yes, pulling the fish out has been a collective work so far. But your
work has been so inspiring and so helpful to the project as a whole
that there is no way not to miss you.

There is no way not to look up to your example, being one of the most
prolific and technically diverse people I have had the pleasure of
knowing, and being socially intelligent enough to stay clear of
flames.

Best luck in all your future projects, Joey. It has been a pleasuuure
being in the same boat as you for the past eleven years. I hope we
cross paths again in the future.


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Florian Lohoff]

Hi,

On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

I share your feelings. Back in those days you and Joey were the reasons for me
to join Debian. In Oldenburg at the m68k Hacker meeting i showed up with a
complete mips and mipsel port done and had been hosting a Debian mirror for a
while. You two told me there was no way around than to associate more with
Debian - so i did.

I just installed moon-buggy just to remember those days ;)

m68k is gone - You are gone.

Wish you all the best.

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2014, Michael Hanke wrote:
>  If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
>  Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
>  dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
>  now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
>  in very unhealthy directions.

>We're fucked!

Whenever I thought that things could go right once for a change, this
"news" came.  Well done my lovely community (I will wear this blame
badge from now on too)!

> (in my perception of this language there is no better way to say this).

I wholeheartedly agree.

Joey, 

no words would be sufficient to express my gratitude to you for all what
you have done for the Debian project.  No other day would be alike now
in Debian when you are gone.

I really hope, that if not through the full parentship of this baby of
yours, you will still keep an eye on your kid(s), express your opinion
and share technical expertise one way or another from time to time.
Let's may be call this not a "retirement" but rather "sending kids to
college" transition -- 18 years is about the right age they say?

Please don't give up on us entirely!  Please???!!!

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Martin Steigerwald]

Am Samstag, 8. November 2014, 10:19:02 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Joey,
> 
> Am Freitag, 7. November 2014, 17:04:10 schrieb Joey Hess:
> > It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> > originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> > everyone well, but I'm out.
> 
> I am sad from reading this. I do not know you as a person, except from some
> of  your blog entries. But its abundantly clear what contribution you made,
> what amount energy you put into the project. Which makes this even more
> saddening cause I imagine it has been a big reason for you to leave, as I
> bet with that much energy you have put it in, you wouldn´t leave on a minor
> issue.
> 
> Its your decision, although I´d really appreciate if you reconsider after a 
> while.
> 
> Not knowing the context of your words as I just maintain a few packages that
> I  get sponsored into the archive and follow lists on a irregular basis I
> wonder…
> 
> what was the reason? What can Debian as a project and as a community learn 
> from it?

Okay, I got the context meanwhile from some links to mails from you out of a 
Phoronix forum thread the proposal you seconded with the current GR.

I am not sure what I make out of this and how this really became so serious 
for you that you leave.

[1] 
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?108809-Joey-Hess-Resigns-From-Debian-Unhappy-With-How-It-s-Changed&p=451178#post451178

[2] https://www.debian.org/vote/2014/vote_003

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[David L. Craig]

> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014, Joey Hess wrote:

> > originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> > everyone well, but I'm out.

So long, and thanks for all the damn hard work and working code.
May you live long, prosper, and continue to inspire others to
greatness.
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 You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then.
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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Michael Hanke]

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Joey Hess  wrote:

> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
> now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
> in very unhealthy directions.
>

We're fucked! (in my perception of this language there is no better way to
say this).

I know that no person is irreplaceable, but for as long as I know Debian, I
have
experienced Joey as a voice of reason -- seemingly indistractable from
technical
matters, and one of the giants whose proverbial shoulders are carrying this
project.

If the trajectory towards a more inclusive project does not have enough
room to
accommodate people like him, I doubt that the price we need to pay for the
achieving
this goal is worth it.

Michael

Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Roman Czyborra]

2014-11-08[Sat]11:38 Roman Czyborra read that
2014-11-08[Sat]10:46 Faidon Liambotis wrote
<545de691.2090...@debian.org>:
Extremely sad to read this, Joey. The few times we've crossed paths, 
I've enjoyed working with you (and on your ideas) incredibly. And of 
course I am -as we are all- enjoying the fruits of your efforts, on a 
daily basis. It's a big loss to the project.


Where is Joey Hess going to?  Exists a better contract than Debian's?


On 11/07/14 23:04, Joey Hess wrote:
It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I 
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish 
everyone well, but I'm out.



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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Faidon Liambotis]

On 11/07/14 23:04, Joey Hess wrote:

It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
everyone well, but I'm out.


Extremely sad to read this, Joey. The few times we've crossed paths, 
I've enjoyed working with you (and on your ideas) incredibly. And of 
course I am -as we are all- enjoying the fruits of your efforts, on a 
daily basis. It's a big loss to the project.


I have to say though, I share your sentiments to a very large degree: I 
am, too, quite disappointed from Debian's current state of affairs. More 
to the point, I am, too, quite disappointed by the current behavior of 
the CTTE and by extension, its members.


If the CTTE needs to exist as a body, I am at least expecting from both 
the committee as a whole but from its individual members as well, to 
remain objective, act in a calm, wise and prudent manner, mediate, put 
out fires & unite the project. We've seen some pretty reckless and 
divisive behavior this past year that would be unacceptable for any 
member of the project, let alone a CTTE member.


I don't have high respect for the committee as a whole right now and 
this is probably the opposite of how it should be. This is clearly a 
difficult time for the project and, unfortunately, the CTTE is in the 
middle of this debate and I believe it has actively made things worse. I 
don't think the CTTE members share this blame equally (not by a long 
shot), but especially considering the fact that it's a self-moderated 
body, noone is innocent here.


Best,
Faidon


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Joey Hess (2014-11-07 22:04:10)
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I 
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish 
> everyone well, but I'm out.

:-(

I am very sad that you leave.  But also curious where you will go from 
here - many moves of yours have been quite inspiring for me.


> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the 
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as 
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me now 
> that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian in 
> very unhealthy directions.

Thanks for sharing.  Food for thought!


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Norbert Preining]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014, Joey Hess wrote:
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

So long, and thanks for all the fish. We will miss you.

Norbert


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Martin Steigerwald]

Joey,

Am Freitag, 7. November 2014, 17:04:10 schrieb Joey Hess:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

I am sad from reading this. I do not know you as a person, except from some of 
your blog entries. But its abundantly clear what contribution you made, what 
amount energy you put into the project. Which makes this even more saddening 
cause I imagine it has been a big reason for you to leave, as I bet with that 
much energy you have put it in, you wouldn´t leave on a minor issue.

Its your decision, although I´d really appreciate if you reconsider after a 
while.

Not knowing the context of your words as I just maintain a few packages that I 
get sponsored into the archive and follow lists on a irregular basis I wonder…

what was the reason? What can Debian as a project and as a community learn 
from it?

I am highly concerned by the state of discussions in Debian triggered by the 
systemd integration – I have never ever seen such a harsh, long and bitter 
discussion in Debian. I was concerned so much that I even tried to channel 
some of the concern upstream, but it seems I was not able to bring across that 
sometimes its not just all technical, but there is more to it – and keeping 
discussions to a sole technical level sometimes doesn´t work out when a lot of 
emotions are involved. But I don´t even know whether you leaving has to do 
anything with that process.

So… if at some time… maybe not now, maybe later… I would appreciate if you 
share your reasons for leaving, not for accusing someone, but just from how 
you felt about things for those who remain with the project to learn from it. 
It may be easier to do this with a little time in between.

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Samuel Thibault]

Ew.

I've always thought you have been providing Debian with very sensible
thoughts and guiding.  Your wisdom will be missed.  Wishing you the
best.

Samuel


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Christoph Anton Mitterer]

On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 17:04 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: 
> but I'm out.
Wow what saddening news :-(

It's really a pity to good ones leaving... hope you'd reconsider your
decision and come back after some break perhaps!

If not, all the best and thanks.


Cheers,
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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Ben Finney]

Joey Hess  writes:

> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

Thank you. You've been a model Debian member to many of us, and I will
miss your inspiration and clear-headedness.

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[zlatan]

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In advance sorry for all spelling mistake that I will write as I am writing 
from my phone and I am not a native English speaker.

I am emotionally crushed by this.

You are one of two DD's I interviewed for our LUG in Banja Luka, shortly after 
conference. You were among first people I saw when I came early in morning to 
Vaumarcus. You're by your contributions to Debian already a legendary DD. 
Stories are told among Free software users about you and your life. I want to 
say to you no, no, no. Don't leave the project for which you and many other 
will become like grandparents in another 18 years. You, bdale, vorlon, moray, 
holger and other long time Debian people should be there, become Debian Oldmen 
that will pass stories on DebConfs about our community project early days and 
its rise to glory. Please, for a day, sit down and consider all of us who care 
for well-being of Debian community, who care on personal level a lot. If you 
can do that, please do.

Speaking of community, I know my voice is yet small, but I think many have 
expressed and agree that we look more complicated then government structures. 
We really need to change this because its killing the community feeling and its 
draining energy from our members. I mean whats next in this sad show? We are 
going to loose mbiebel, gunnar, zack? Am I going to come to are DebConf where 
bdale and keithp will not be there to talk about rockets? Where zack will not 
educate us about Free software? Where holger will not be there to help video 
team?

I am sorry if I sound silly but its hard to see people leave because they got 
emotionally burned out. I love to see bubulle posting his love for running or 
looking at enrico's talks because his funny ways of presenting is cheering me 
up in sucky days. Heck I could say some unique thing for every single person.

I just want the warm community feel back where we do not need some special 
technical process to reach some consensus but a nice talks between friends 
because we are afterall friends here. A family. So, please, lets care for each 
other and do a handshaking and hugging as a consensus for everything.

With love,

zlatan

P.S. I didn't get chance to harass paultag in Portland and if he leaves the 
project I am leaving Earth

P.P.S. Joey, if you in the end really leave - I wish you good luck in all you do

On 7 November 2014 22:04:10 CET, Joey Hess  wrote:
>It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
>originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
>everyone well, but I'm out.
>
>Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
>debhelper, alien, dpkg-repack, and debmirror.
>
>I will be making final orphaning uploads of other packages that are not
>team maintained, over the next couple of days, as bandwidth allows.
>
>If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
>Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
>dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
>now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
>in very unhealthy directions.
>
>--
>see shy jo

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Charles Plessy]

Hi Joey,

among all the Debian developers you have been one of the most inspiring to me.
I hope that you will keep your blog syndicated on planet.debian.org !

Cheers,

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Josh Triplett]

Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

(Insert record-scratch sound-effect and sounds of brain rebooting here.)

Thank you deeply for your work.  It saddens me no end to see Debian
drive away one of its most valuable contributors and long-standing
fixtures.  Between debhelper and d-i, I can think of few if any Debian
developers who have had as significant an impact as you have.  You will
be missed.

- Josh Triplett


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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Philip Hands]

Joey Hess  writes:

> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.

I'm gutted.

> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
> now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
> in very unhealthy directions.

You're not wrong.

It's always been fun working with you -- Good luck with your next enthusiasm :-)

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Adam Borowski]

On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 05:04:10PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
> 
> Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
> debhelper, alien, dpkg-repack, and debmirror.

Aww, and I postponed harassing you about a new dh_ script I'd want until
after the freeze frenzy goes down...  :/

Thanks for all your good work!

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Marco d'Itri]

On Nov 07, Joey Hess  wrote:

> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
Well, this sucks.

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Re: so long and thanks for all the fish

[Bjoern Meier]

Hi,

2014-11-07 22:04 GMT+01:00 Joey Hess :
> It's become abundantly clear that this is no longer the project I
> originally joined in 1996. We've made some good things, and I wish
> everyone well, but I'm out.
>
> Note that this also constitutes an orphaning as upstream of
> debhelper, alien, dpkg-repack, and debmirror.
>
> I will be making final orphaning uploads of other packages that are not
> team maintained, over the next couple of days, as bandwidth allows.
>
> If I have one regret from my 18 years in Debian, it's that when the
> Debian constitution was originally proposed, despite seeing it as
> dubious, I neglected to speak out against it. It's clear to me
> now that it's a toxic document, that has slowly but surely led Debian
> in very unhealthy directions.

I don't know you, but I taking part of Debian since potato.
All I can say is: :/

Debian needs all passion it can get and it is sad that this project
can consume so much until someone can not provide more.
This - I guess - it the matter of responsibility and pushing it too
far ... maybe.

So all what is left to say: good luck and have fun.



Be blessed :)

Greetings,
Björn

PS: Oh, before I forget ... a last  ><*>


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Re: so long, and thanks for all the fish

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 01:55:24AM +0100, Aneurin Price wrote:
> On 4 April 2013 18:28,  wrote:
> 
> > There is apparently no mode of argument, or "style of
> > communications", which is capable of penetrating the Debian
> > bureaucracy. It is impervious, even to patches which have been
> > previously solicited. Silly me, for taking that seriously.
> >
> 
> You need to remember that the Debian project is essentially masturbation.
> Nobody likes to be told they're doing it wrong.

Are you pulling my leg?

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Re: so long, and thanks for all the fish

[Aneurin Price]

On 4 April 2013 18:28,  wrote:

> There is apparently no mode of argument, or "style of
> communications", which is capable of penetrating the Debian
> bureaucracy. It is impervious, even to patches which have been
> previously solicited. Silly me, for taking that seriously.
>

You need to remember that the Debian project is essentially masturbation.
Nobody likes to be told they're doing it wrong.

Re: so long, and thanks for all the fish

[ian_bruce]

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:45:26 -0300
Ben Armstrong  wrote:

> the long and sordid tale of your bid to get attention for this bug

That's right; I wrote it up in detail, provided patches when asked to do
so, provided test scripts to demonstrate the correctness of those
patches, answered every question and objection raised about it.

And then waited patiently to see if any notice would be taken of it. In
silence. For eight months.

Hearing nothing, I concluded that my previous mode of argument was not
persuasive, and decided to try something else. That disappeared into
thin air. I wondered whether anybody thought that was a problem, and
asked. So here we are.

What could possibly be longer and more sordid than that?


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Re: so long, and thanks for all the fish

[Ben Armstrong]

On 04/04/13 02:28 PM, ian_br...@fastmail.net wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:45:55 -0300
> Ben Armstrong  wrote:
> 
>> Just take care in future that the style of communications you used
>> triggered someone's "wetware spam filter" with a false positive.
> 
> I initially wrote up a detailed bug report, and then when somebody
> suggested that the problem would get fixed faster if a patch were
> provided, I wrote that too.

TL;DR

Sorry, I, personally, do not care -- note: neither this nor my previous
response represent the project as a whole, but is solely *my* opinion --
about the long and sordid tale of your bid to get attention for this
bug. I only chimed in because your ranting, baseless accusations against
the project all hinged on your assumption that someone was "out to get
you" whereas, in fact, it seemed obvious to me why someone mistook your
response for spam, and I had hoped to get through to you on that one
point. Well, if you can't learn from that and modify your approach, and
thus you have decided to put your energies elsewhere, maybe it is best
for all parties involved.

Ben


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