Re: poor relative G4 performance iBook/PowerBook
One other thought- to get an idea of real speeds you might try copying one of your entire source trees with cp -r dir1 dir2 Or something like that On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 6:30 AM Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > > Brian Morris wrote: > > % time cat huge_file_copy > > > > Install smartctl to check drive health > > > > I also have a PowerBook 1ghz which is quite a bit faster than my > > 1.5ghz tho could be because the former has a bit more ram and a newer > > hard drive and the latter has a defective 2nd ram slot > > I wanted to investigate this further - except smartctl, I did more > extensive checks with file copying which are interesting, also, now that > keyboard works again, I investigated better what dmesg says. > Here some results: > > dd if=/dev/zero of=output.dat bs=1M count=128 > > PB: 158 MB/s > iBook: 117 MB/s > > dd if=/dev/zero of=output.dat bs=1M count=256 > > PB: 9.4 28.5 MB/s > iBook: 4.8s 56 MB/s > > Copy of 256MB file > PB: 5.18 s > iBook: 2.7 s > > This means that for 128MB there is some "cache effect" and there the > PowerBook beats the iBook. But with 256MB the iBook is almost twice as > fast! 28.5 MB/s is less than UDMA/33... quite slow... > Both the iBook and PowerBook still have PATA of course, since no serial > ata devices existed back then > > the iBook has > [3.774751] pata-pci-macio 0002:20:0d.0: Activating pata-macio > chipset UniNorth ATA-6, Apple bus ID 3 > [3.775921] scsi host0: pata_macio > [4.802731] pata-macio 0.0002:ata-3: Activating pata-macio > chipset KeyLargo ATA-3, Apple bus ID 0 > [4.810545] scsi host1: pata_macio > > I bet the first one is the Hard Disk, the second one is for the optical > drive. > > The PowerBook appears also to have the same UniNorth and KeyLargo... so > I doubt there is a driver issue? Apple reused the same chips. > However: > on the PowerBook the ata1 attaches as UDMA/100 ATA-6. > on the iBook I get UDMA/100 ATA-8 > > Is this ATA-8 all the reason of being faster? Is just the PB using a > slow HD? or it does not negotiate or get recognized to full speed? > Wondering! for both UDMA/100 indicates 100MBytes top speed. > ATA-8 appears to be a hybrid drive... with a cache, I don't think that > part can explain speed up for a 256MB file! internet search says it is > an 8MB cache. > > Riccardo > >
Re: poor relative G4 performance iBook/PowerBook
Try % time cat huge_file_copy Install smartctl to check drive health I also have a PowerBook 1ghz which is quite a bit faster than my 1.5ghz tho could be because the former has a bit more ram and a newer hard drive and the latter has a defective 2nd ram slot On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 7:27 AM Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi! > > I develop on both an iBook G4 14" (should be one of the latest model, > although the motherboard ) and a PowerBook G4 17" both running debian... > Although currently different kernels, minor differences. > "In theory" I got the PB G4 because it should be faster than the iBook > * Same CPU version, but faster clock > * more RAM > further down "cpuinfo. > > As a reference I use compiling ArcticFox which is a big, memory hungry > task: compiling, linking large files (unified sources!), copying stuff, > tar.gz, install... etcc > I know from working on x86 that 1.2GB are "tight" so in certain > situations. quite some swapping. > > However, surprise surprise, build times on the iBook are around 6 hours, > on the PowerBook around 9 !!! That's a huge difference. > Either the PB has some hardware inferiority (design or degradation) or > there is something heavily under-performing on it - kernel issue? > setting? speed? > Ideas welcome :) > Some specific benchmarks easy to run and available in packages? eg.g. > memory speed and disk speed tests. > > Riccardo > > multix@iBookG4-14:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > clock : 1333.333000MHz > revision: 1.1 (pvr 8003 0101) > bogomips: 73.72 > > timebase: 18432000 > platform: PowerMac > model : PowerBook6,5 > machine : PowerBook6,5 > motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > detected as : 287 (iBook G4) > pmac flags : 001a > L2 cache: 512K unified > pmac-generation : NewWorld > Memory : 1280 MB > > > multix@Auryn:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu : 7447A, altivec supported > clock : 1666.666000MHz > revision: 1.2 (pvr 8003 0102) > bogomips: 73.72 > > timebase: 18432000 > platform: PowerMac > model : PowerBook5,7 > machine : PowerBook5,7 > motherboard : PowerBook5,7 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh > detected as : 287 (PowerBook G4 17") > pmac flags : 001a > L2 cache: 512K unified > pmac-generation : NewWorld > Memory : 2048 MB > > >
Re: Installation of Debian on an iMac PowerPC
is there any need to worry about non-free firmware, ie http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/archive/8.11.0+nonfree/powerpc/iso-cd/ (only the net install image is available). possibility of I might install on a 2002 g4 tower On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 1:47 PM Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi David, > > Try installing with the “oldstable”/“Jessie” CD. > > > http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/8.11.0/powerpc/iso-cd/ > > Grub for Powerpc is still a work in progress. It may not work on your old > G3 machine. Jessie uses the older “yaboot” bootloader, which may be more > stable for your situation. Everybody seems to agree that Grub is the wave > of the future, but that wave hasn’t fully crested yet. > > Hope this helps! > Rick > > > > On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:58 AM, David VANTYGHEM > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm a beginner on Macintosh. > > > > I'm trying to install Debian (+ LXDE) on my iMac G3. > > > > I'm using a CD-ROM with > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2019-01-27/debian-10.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso > > on it. > > > > I've got 2 errors : > > > > 1) An error during the softwares installation : > > https://framapic.org/U8WJdTtyBnT6/4y7B4AB68uBz.jpg > > > > 2) A more important error with GRUB that doesn't install : > > > > https://framapic.org/akOHeksS12oS/Da09AivOaCdX.png > > > > https://framapic.org/mJ8AHgLUdQXb/7xPInXj4wSDY.png > > > > And I can't boot after the end of the installation : > > > > https://framapic.org/52MPBtyV0Qrw/Z9Zi8opwh3F1.png > > > > > > I tested the installation in a virtual computer with QUEMU (AQEMU). I've > > got only the 2) error and the same problem to boot. > > > > Is it a bug or did I make something wrong ? > > > > -- > > David VANTYGHEM > > Mél. : david.vantyg...@free.fr > > Installer facilement GNU/Linux : http://numopen.fr > > > >.--. > > |o_o | > > ||_/ | > > //\\Envoyé avec mon GNU/Linux > > (| |) > > / \_ _/ \ > > \___)=(___/ > > > >
Re: What are you guys running on your PowerBook G4's Debian PPC?
links2 is my fav minimalist browser. Supports pictures and basic formatting, very clean. Also, a hint, often prefixing a website name with "m." will give you a mobile version which loads faster to bookmark for later Have benefitted from PowerPC Debian (also netBSD) : emacs (for both terminal interface and programming, learning programming, system admin skills (text interfaces), some number / text crunching and algorithm testing. Preferring lxde desktop but also just plain X with a simple window manager, sometimes using the cool multi-console feature of Linux (cntrl-fn-#). Also distributed compiling - very helpful with slower machines. Building optimized and customized versions of software, especially kernels! And testing / debugging - involvement with development community is fun and enriching. Highly recommend involvement also in local Linux groups + some upstream project
Re: Old World Mac mounting troubles
I recall dealing successfully with this issue. I think you had to go into the partitioning stage where it creates device nodes and then cancel the partitioning. But I also had a rescue cd which was Gentoo installer a live console. But recently a rescue option has been added to the Debian install cd so I would try that first. If you have a old style plain hfs partition around that is good because without hfs plus utils package may not be able to write to hfs plus On Sep 2, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Gregory Richardson pressma...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all thanks for looking. I've installed Wheezy on a 9600 PPC (oldworld) using bootx and the network install cd, and I read while searching the list that I have to copy the kernel and init from the install to my hfs partition containing bootx in order to boot the system. What I've also read and tried is to start up the installer and let it get to the partitioning stage, drop into a shell, mount the partition containing Wheezy (works), chroot into that partition, modprobe hfs (which seems to work), and mount the hfs partiton (mount -t hfs /dev/sda6 /mnt) in order to copy the kernel to the mac. At that point it gives me an error: mount; special device /dev/sda6 does not exist. I have macos 8.6 on sda and Wheezy on sdb. /dev in Wheezy doesn't contain any sda or sdb files, but I was able to mount the wheezy partition with mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt. Any hints or ideas would be greatly appreciated. This thing is driving me batty. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/01e060da-87b1-49c2-a4e7-d54cf3225...@gmail.com
Re: iBook G4 on offer for Debian PPC developer
I have 500mhz and 1.5 ghz G4 PowerBooks and corresponding similar Powermacs. I can easily give several examples from my personal experience and my associates where any of these are too slow For instance I basicly had just two things I wanted to use with the last version of Debian stable where I got stuck because my machines were too slow but I could easily do on a late '06 core2duo $300 MacBook. Java IDE and Krita to be precise. I tried doing an optimized build of Java for better speed - it was almost useable, probably fine on a G5 I'd imagine - but after compiling for hours and hours it was such a complex build and huge filling up my hard drive I stopped and gave up. But even so I am considering trying the Krita build on new Debian stable. Just for something to do and PowerBook can be left alone to build while I am away at work / study. But if I were serious I would definitely get a dual G5, they are cheap these days. Power hogs but for builds much better why suffer By the way all these G4s I own have 1GB ram On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: An 800MHz G4 with a stripped down system is plenty quick enough for development or just about anything not too computationally intensive. I have a couple of them that I use for testing. But an older machine like that can be seriously memory-constrained (No sane person could possible need more than 64K of RAM! -- designers of the original IBM PC) so you have to be extremely carful what software you try to run on it. For example, there are packages that aren't available for the armel architecture because the build machines run out of memory trying to compile them. Rick On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Super Bisquit superbisq...@gmail.com wrote: The iBook g4 had a processor rating between 800 MHz and 1.42 GHz. Now, I ran Debian on an iMac with an 800 MHz processor and a Powermac QuickSilver with a 933 MHz processor with both having a recompiled kernel of 1000 Hz. Unless you are running [too much stuff] on your iBook, it is fast enough for development. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Brian cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: How about just someone who will run testing / unstable and submit bug reports and is willing to work with developers testing patches This model not fast enough for general development and with so many models would be unfair to give special attention to one On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Jack Malmostoso jackmalmost...@sunrise.ch wrote: Dear list, I have an old iBook G4 800MHz which I don't need anymore, and I was wondering if some Debian PPC developer would like to have it for development purposes. I have tried to contact the Debian hardware donation email address but did not get an answer. Please let me know if there is any interest, thank you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130825153052.4b433ddc@nostromo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cbfd6e68-61ed-4c5d-8a04-89eba2b72...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6674f18e-7252-4c65-995b-465d964af...@pobox.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dfbba2b1-25d9-45ff-8af4-f76a94e08...@gmail.com
Re: iBook G4 on offer for Debian PPC developer
Testing is Important. When I was more active I had some interactions with developer says I don't have that machine. Sometimes we could work together to track down bug and test patch. But another time DD did have the machine like mine in a drawer but no time to deal with it So since yes your 'book will run many things including basic install. I suggest it would be good / best for someone wants to get involved with testing and working with DDs not perhaps a DD themselves. Perhaps someone who follow in Rick's footsteps! On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Jack Malmostoso fabio.rosci...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 08:20:01 +0200 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: An 800MHz G4 with a stripped down system is plenty quick enough for development or just about anything not too computationally intensive. I have a couple of them that I use for testing. This machine has OSX Tiger installed, and it is perfectly usable. I am sure that Debian with LXDE or Mate will make it very useful for testing. Anyway my target was to provide developers with the hardware, not really to use it to develop on it. If some DD wants it, it's still up for grabs! -- Any given program will expand to fill available memory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130828185617.222543fc@nostromo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e242c6ca-0f68-4be1-a765-774db94fb...@gmail.com
Re: iBook G4 on offer for Debian PPC developer
How about just someone who will run testing / unstable and submit bug reports and is willing to work with developers testing patches This model not fast enough for general development and with so many models would be unfair to give special attention to one On Aug 25, 2013, at 6:30 AM, Jack Malmostoso jackmalmost...@sunrise.ch wrote: Dear list, I have an old iBook G4 800MHz which I don't need anymore, and I was wondering if some Debian PPC developer would like to have it for development purposes. I have tried to contact the Debian hardware donation email address but did not get an answer. Please let me know if there is any interest, thank you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130825153052.4b433ddc@nostromo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cbfd6e68-61ed-4c5d-8a04-89eba2b72...@gmail.com
Re: How to make a custom installer CD/DVD/BD/USB-stick?
Well maybe if you are lucky the package will allow you to edit an existing template. It should! On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Can somebody point me at some docs or packages I could use to create a customized CD/DVD/BD image for installing Debian PowerPC? I'd like to create a 32GB (or larger?) USB memory stick that can be used to do a complete installation of PowerPC Debian (Wheezy right now, but into the future... who knows?) without access to the Internet at install time. E.g. behind a *very* restrictive firewall or a very slow ISP connection. I know that jigdo templates are provided for BD images that will do the job, but only for AMD64, not for PowerPC, hence the need to roll my own. And besides, I think it might be fun to learn more about the process. Maybe my google foo is at a low ebb today: I did my duty as a question-asker -- searching the web for answers before I ask the list -- but came up dry. In any case, a pointer in the right direction would be much appreciated! On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Brian wrote: How about editing the amd64 template? That might work if I knew where the template was, and how to use it. I've installed simple-cdd and started to read the documentation. Is the configuration file mentioned there the same as the template you are talking about? Or is there a different package that I should be looking at... On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:25 PM, Brian wrote: Well wouldn't documentation for Jigdo template be in Jigdo package? The jigdo template is a lot lower level than I was hoping for. It's kinda like the object code, where I'm looking for the high-level language source code and a compiler to produce the object code from it. It's theoretically possible to edit the jigdo template, and all the binary parts it contains, just as it's theoretically possible to edit the java byte-code for a subroutine that almost does what you want -- but it's much more convenient (and comprehensible) to edit the java source code. What I'm hoping for is that there's something like a compiler that takes a human understandable specification, in the form of list of packages and other configurable components of an installer CD/DVD/BD/etc, and outputs a jigdo template (or such) that implements that specification. I'm hoping that's exactly what simple-cdd is. Enjoy! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/836fb2bb-4d9a-465d-ad9e-a3531b182...@pobox.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/294f79d9-949b-472e-9631-4fbf4c25b...@gmail.com
Re: How to make a custom installer CD/DVD/BD/USB-stick?
Well wouldn't documentation for Jigdo template be in Jigdo package? On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Can somebody point me at some docs or packages I could use to create a customized CD/DVD/BD image for installing Debian PowerPC? I'd like to create a 32GB (or larger?) USB memory stick that can be used to do a complete installation of PowerPC Debian (Wheezy right now, but into the future... who knows?) without access to the Internet at install time. E.g. behind a *very* restrictive firewall or a very slow ISP connection. I know that jigdo templates are provided for BD images that will do the job, but only for AMD64, not for PowerPC, hence the need to roll my own. And besides, I think it might be fun to learn more about the process. Maybe my google foo is at a low ebb today: I did my duty as a question-asker -- searching the web for answers before I ask the list -- but came up dry. In any case, a pointer in the right direction would be much appreciated! On Jul 4, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Brian wrote: How about editing the amd64 template? That might work if I knew where the template was, and how to use it. I've installed simple-cdd and started to read the documentation. Is the configuration file mentioned there the same as the template you are talking about? Or is there a different package that I should be looking at... Thanks! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eceb8c9-4bca-4393-8b15-a4317c978...@gmail.com
Re: How to make a custom installer CD/DVD/BD/USB-stick?
How about editing the amd64 template? On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: Can somebody point me at some docs or packages I could use to create a customized CD/DVD/BD image for installing Debian PowerPC? I'd like to create a 32GB (or larger?) USB memory stick that can be used to do a complete installation of PowerPC Debian (Wheezy right now, but into the future... who knows?) without access to the Internet at install time. E.g. behind a *very* restrictive firewall or a very slow ISP connection. I know that jigdo templates are provided for BD images that will do the job, but only for AMD64, not for PowerPC, hence the need to roll my own. And besides, I think it might be fun to learn more about the process. Maybe my google foo is at a low ebb today: I did my duty as a question-asker -- searching the web for answers before I ask the list -- but came up dry. In any case, a pointer in the right direction would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c922f6d5-ad3e-4c9b-89b7-0c147d920...@pobox.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ffe1f156-c49e-4bc2-98eb-dd2776203...@gmail.com
Re: good sata card for pci-x powermac?
Excellent, that's good to know. But where does one acquire a non-raid bios for the card though? Thanks! Brian On Jan 14, 2013 12:12 PM, David Ricar li...@dejf.org wrote: Hi, sil3124 may need to be booted in a pc with a drive attached and flashed with nonraid bios. At leats this is a must for systems like opensolaris even on a pc platform. Appart from that, this chipset is probably best at it's price level, we use it in some servers 24/7 for years. Have a nice day! David On 01/14/2013 04:15 AM, Brian Szymanski wrote: Any recommendations for a good sata card for a pci-x powermac that works with debian? The ones I've looked at so far either: - have a raid bios which i assume is unaccessible on ppc and may or may not provide raw access to the disks by default. the best i can find on this front are sii3124 based cards which have some hideous java ui which proportedly works on linux (no doubt via X11, not the command line) - support osx, but there is no mention of other OS support, nor of what chipset the card uses (for example firmtek seritek 1v4) I won't need openfirmware/yaboot/etc. to see the thing at all. as my root volume will be attached to the onboard sata. Surely someone has looked in to this before? Or is my best bet really to go with some sort of external enclosure? Thanks in advance for any advice! Brian Szymanski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgdebian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**50f4362d.9030...@dejf.orghttp://lists.debian.org/50f4362d.9030...@dejf.org
Re: good sata card for pci-x powermac?
On 01/14/2013 01:06 PM, David Ricar wrote: At silicon image website in support. There are both raid and nonraid versions of the bios. As I do not have a single windows around me, I did it under FreeDOS well. Ahh, I see them now. Thanks very much for your help! Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50f45a3f.6080...@gmail.com
Re: good sata card for pci-x powermac?
On 01/14/2013 01:06 PM, David Ricar wrote: At silicon image website in support. There are both raid and nonraid versions of the bios. As I do not have a single windows around me, I did it under FreeDOS well. This makes me wonder... Since I'm using mdadm, I should be able to use any voltage-compatible card, provided that I first plug the card in on a PC and configure it for straight-thru non-RAID access to all drives, right? I'd never need to change that, so In theory I should be able to use it indefinitely thereafter on my ppc box. I have an old 6-port PCI-X megaraid card which could fit the bill... Has anyone used a setup like this? Any drawbacks, gotchas, or other experiences with such a setup? Thanks again! Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50f469dc.20...@gmail.com
good sata card for pci-x powermac?
Any recommendations for a good sata card for a pci-x powermac that works with debian? The ones I've looked at so far either: - have a raid bios which i assume is unaccessible on ppc and may or may not provide raw access to the disks by default. the best i can find on this front are sii3124 based cards which have some hideous java ui which proportedly works on linux (no doubt via X11, not the command line) - support osx, but there is no mention of other OS support, nor of what chipset the card uses (for example firmtek seritek 1v4) I won't need openfirmware/yaboot/etc. to see the thing at all. as my root volume will be attached to the onboard sata. Surely someone has looked in to this before? Or is my best bet really to go with some sort of external enclosure? Thanks in advance for any advice! Brian Szymanski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50f3786e.5060...@gmail.com
Re: How to report bugs against PPC builds?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 02:50:44PM -0900, Kristen R wrote: Do we use the Debian Bug Tracking System to report bugs when using the PowerPC builds? I wonder since I see x86 machine builds being listed on the BTS Yes. If you're using packages from Debian, the appropriate place to report bugs is the Debian BTS, regardless of architecture. If you use reportbug (you should), then it will include the architecture in the bug report. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: ATLAS on PowerPC
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 07:26:00PM +0200, Sébastien Villemot wrote: [please keep the bug in Cc:, I’m not subscribed to the list] Dear PowerPC porters, As a co-maintainer of atlas, I intend to force a specific PowerPC CPU architecture when the package is built on buildds (in order to fix #680096). Atlas gives me the following options: POWER3, POWER4, POWER5, POWER6, POWER7, PPCG4, PPCG5. I would like to know which one of these is the most generic architecture, so that the atlas package thus modified will work on all supported machines. I guess this is either POWER3 or PPCG4, but it is unclear to me which one is more generic. Or maybe none of the two encompasses the other, in which case I would like to know which one would be the best choice from your point of view. POWER3 is 64-bit. PPCG4 is 32-bit, but it requires the use of Altivec instructions, which G3 processors do not have. So the answer is that neither of these is acceptable by default. For example, neither of these would work on my iBook. Is there a reason that you cannot use the defaults of the compiler? Also, POWER and PowerPC are two very similar architectures. In general, they each have a few instructions that the other does not, but there is a large common subset that is generally what Debian uses. POWER 3 and newer support all of the PowerPC instruction set. However, if you use a POWER setting, you need to be sure that it does not include instructions that only POWER processors have, or it will not work on PowerPC processors. BTW, if you could answer the same question concerning the ppc64 and powerpcspe ports, that would be great. I don't know enough here to have an opinion, sorry. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Question about compatibility...
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM, John Ames commodorej...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/6/11, Brian Morris cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote: if you get the 15, make sure it has the full RAM in case you want it someday. I have one with the common defect of the bad 2nd slot. Oh, naturally. I had both a 1GB DDR stick (for the 12) and 2x 1GB DDR2 sticks (for the 15) on hand anyway, so whichever I get I'll be able to max it right out. NO ! Many of these have a bad slot which does not work ! So get one that already has the slot filled !
Re: Question about compatibility...
You are running unstable, just wait and you will see something critical break. Good luck. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Mandrantosoa 'Ndrianiaina to...@jojopil.com wrote: I'm on wheezy/sid on a PowerBook G4 15 1.67/1.5GHz for everyday use. Everything does work correctly but the grahic card has some issues with KMS, gallium ... but everything was OK with squeeze (with 2.6.32 kernel) On squeeze, I've got DRI with radeon.agpmode=-1 Tosoa. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111007125233.GA4223@lunatex.local
Re: Question about compatibility...
if you get the 15, make sure it has the full RAM in case you want it someday. I have one with the common defect of the bad 2nd slot. mine is 1.5 ghz early '05, its running LXDE stable well enough, faster than OSX leopard. My main gripe besides the RAM issue is the hard drive replacement is difficult. I have preferred installing from the netinstall cd as it is a much smaller download. Might not be so bad nowadays with KDE stuff moved to the second CD, or using the special LXDE cd. Another note on this powerbook -- you need install firmware package before the built-in wifi works. And you should also install the firmware for the Radeon as well to get acceleration. Brian On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:21 AM, John Ames commodorej...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to be purchasing an aluminum Powerbook G4 on which I want to run Debian. However, I'm trying to decide which model. Initially I was looking at the 12 1.5GHz model (M9690LL/A,) which is roughly on par with the laptop I have now, specs-wise, and that fills my needs pretty adequately. However, I've also been giving some consideration to the 15 1.67GHz model (M9969LL/A); it's a bit pricier, but it can take more RAM and has a Radeon chipset instead of a GeForce chipset, which means better driver support. All things considered, I think I'm leaning more towards the 12 model, though - I really don't like big laptops, and 12 is about as large as I really want to go. My question is, how's the compatibility? It looks from the nouveau page like support for the GeForce FX Go5200 is about on par with support for the GeForce 7800 in my Power Mac G5, and that's acceptable for anything that isn't 3D, which I think I can live with. I'm just wondering if anybody has a similar setup running and can tell me how well it works overall, and if there are any pitfalls to be aware of. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cabcbcvpoajz6gefnrfx-wicmiurum+xso6xzk1uwrxpwyqa...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Newbee
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:24 AM, David Lowe doctorjl...@verizon.netwrote: On 13 Aug, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Brian Morris wrote: ?!? I didn't think trackpads from this era were able to recognize multiple fingers. Oh, wait which exact model do you have ? mine is early 2005. Mine is late 2003 [1 GHz]. A few years ago one of my coworkers brought a MacBook by for comparison. His was using gestures [two finger scrolling, etc.] and mine wasn't even though we both had Leopard installed; therefore i assumed that the difference was hardware rather than software. Might try it anyway. Sometimes apple doesn't support even though the feature works. For instance my ancient powerbook didn't even support tapping unless you installed a special 3rd party extension in macOS. By the way, for speed, I am using the LXDE desktop environment. There is now an lxde cd, as well as a netinstall option for it. much faster and less resource consumptive than the other alternatives. Yeah, i might look into that. Presumably i don't need to install from scratch, so i'll search for an LXDE package. its a little tough to remove gnome and then put in lxde to replace it. easier I think if you are just getting started to just start over. It is a LOT faster though, plus saving a lot of RAM. Installing LXDE was easy. I didn't feel the need to remove gnome, as the linux partition is 75 GiBi and isn't in any immediate danger of filling up. At login i can choose whether to go into an LXDE session, gnome, or KDE. Since each of them has their own strengths and weaknesses, i'll use different sessions for different things. In my initial foray into LXDE i couldn't find everything that i knew how to use in gnome, so it's nice to be able to go back and use it as needed. Choice is good, and those other interface components shouldn't be initialized/loaded in a LXDE session - they won't slow me down just by being on the hard drive. Hmmm, how do you do this exactly ? When I was on a foray into Ubuntu I had a terrible time with this. However recently installed a Debian on a 500mhz Pentium3 I made it to use startx from console into a simple window manager only then if I start a Terminal I get LXDE by running lxpanel app. I guess there's like gnome-session maybe (but if I installed this it would take over control, even if I killed it would just restart itself)? And I am surprised, you find even KDE to be not too slow ? Do you do optimized g4 builds ? Do you run KDE apps or just the Desktop ? I tried Krita on a 550 g4 and it was so slow I didn't think it would help even at 1.5ghz... although Scribus (a kde-aware app) works ok, w/out the desktop I have no drag 'n drop... What I do is run gnome and kde applications which bring in their libraries, but do not require the desktop environment. This saves me much RAM ...
Re: Newbee
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:34 PM, David Lowe doctorjl...@verizon.netwrote: On 11 Aug, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Brian Morris wrote: I have a g4 powerbook with debian and I can send you the configurations file /etc/xorg.conf (tomorrow, when I have the computer) or you can find it yourself by searching web. If you want it. Yeah, i'd like that. Seems you don't need it now ... but I put at bottom if you want to try. What it does is force you to use the button for clicking. However what gave me some adjustment challenges: it is also set to vertical scroll with two fingers. Ok, nice. 3rd it is set to secondary click - which you Really need somehow - by two fingers down and the mouse button click. That is sometimes tricky to do without scrolling. ?!? I didn't think trackpads from this era were able to recognize multiple fingers. Oh, wait which exact model do you have ? mine is early 2005. By the way, for speed, I am using the LXDE desktop environment. There is now an lxde cd, as well as a netinstall option for it. much faster and less resource consumptive than the other alternatives. Yeah, i might look into that. Presumably i don't need to install from scratch, so i'll search for an LXDE package. its a little tough to remove gnome and then put in lxde to replace it. easier I think if you are just getting started to just start over. It is a LOT faster though, plus saving a lot of RAM. I guess you have got the wifi to work ? Some years ago i had experimented with Ubuntu on the PowerBook, and i do remember having to setup the Broadcom gizmo. IIRC the open source version was only able to access the 802.11B protocol then. Can we use 802.11G now? you need to install the correct Debian firmware package which then downloads the firmware from BCM and installs it. took me a while to realize what they meant by the firmware packages, just dumb I guess, but then I also found there the firmware downloader for video acceleration which helps... Are you using the driver from nVidia? Now that you mention it, there is some annoyance in that the screen is only using 8-bit color. I wasn't going to bring up the issue until i dealt with the trackpad thing, but the default Debian wallpaper looks really ugly when posterized down to a few colors. My book has ATI. Don't know what about nVidia, but there was a Radeon firmware in the firmwares like unto the BCM. Section Files FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi # path to defoma fonts FontPath /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Load i2c Load bitmap Load ddc Load dri Load extmod Load freetype Load glx Load int10 Load vbe EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel macintosh Option XkbLayout de Option XkbVariant nodeadkeys Option XkbOptions lv3:lwin_switch EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad Driver synaptics Option SendCoreEvents true Option Device /dev/psaux Option Protocol auto-dev Option SHMConfig true Option MinSpeed 0.30 Option MaxSpeed 1 Option EdgeMotionMinSpeed 200 Option EdgeMotionMaxSpeed 200 Option FastTaps 1 Option MaxTapTime 80 Option AccelFactor 0.10 Option HorizScrollDelta 0 Option VertScrollDelta 10 Option FingerLow 1 Option FingerHigh 3 Option LeftEdge 80 Option TopEdge 80 Option RightEdge 850 Option BottomEdge 560 Option TapButton1 0 Option TapButton2 3 Option TapButton3 2 EndSection Section Device Identifier internalATIRadeon9600 Driver radeon BusID PCI:0:16:0 Option UseFBDev false Option MonitorLayout auto Screen 0 EndSection Section
Re: Newbee
I have a g4 powerbook with debian and I can send you the configurations file /etc/xorg.conf (tomorrow, when I have the computer) or you can find it yourself by searching web. If you want it. What it does is force you to use the button for clicking. However what gave me some adjustment challenges: it is also set to vertical scroll with two fingers. Ok, nice. 3rd it is set to secondary click - which you Really need somehow - by two fingers down and the mouse button click. That is sometimes tricky to do without scrolling. By the way, for speed, I am using the LXDE desktop environment. There is now an lxde cd, as well as a netinstall option for it. much faster and less resource consumptive than the other alternatives. I guess you have got the wifi to work ? took me a while to realize what they meant by the firmware packages, just dumb I guess, but then I also found there the firmware downloader for video acceleration which helps... On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, David Lowe doctorjl...@verizon.net wrote: Since Apple doesn't support OS 10.5 anymore, i've gone and put Debian 6.0.2.1 on my old G4 PowerBook. I confess i was initially disappointed when the install CD gave me Squeeze without a GUI. Things went better after i started over with a net install disc, but i do wish that the limitations of what's on the CD vs. the DVD were more clearly explained on the download page. Anyway, on to my main point. I find it hard to get anything done right now, as the overly sensitive trackpad keeps noticing the heel of my palm and inserting 'clicks' when i don't mean to click. Programs start and stop unbidden. I believe the included 'powerpcutils' package should be able to handle this, but i've so far been unable to get /sbin/trackpad notap to work. I put it into the Startup programs, and it got deleted? How can i get the desired result every time i log in? Sent from my MacBookPro I got the first three wrong he said, forthrightly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/244998d2-a1db-4b56-bad5-11745ea0d...@verizon.net
Re: Powerbook G3 wheezy upgrade udevd error #02
What happened to Squeeze ? = the current *stable* version. version of udev in Squeeze is 1.64 : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/udev On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:38 PM, C-IT outbo...@c-it.freeserve.co.ukwrote: Hi Risto, Many thanks for your help. # dpkg -l udev dpkg not found on install CD environment, whoever: # /sbin/udevd --version shows udev = 171 for both CD hd chroot which is what's so baffling as latest Wheezy install cd boots OK, even chroot into hd installed system. But booting directly into hd system causes 'udevd [42]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented' error. # apt-get install udev=170-1 Doesn't work. udev 170-1 was previous install worked OK, however it's no longer available in the apt repositories. Also I autocleaned apt archives upon what I thought was a successful update, so downgrade option to udev 170-1 looks off the list. Only options appear tobe a downgrade to Lenny or re-install. Up until this problem Lenny then Wheezy run OK on my Lombard. Used to have the occasional keyboard or touchpad freeze up on LXDE for about 10-15 seconds. However I normally run in console mode, ie gdm autostart disabled. hald is installed but not sure if I have udisks-daemon running. Trust this helps. Kind regards, Robert. Original Message Subject: Re: Powerbook G3 wheezy upgrade udevd error You could check the udev version on the CD: dpkg -l udev And then upgrade (or downgrade) the package from within chroot: apt-get install udev=version BTW, you haven't been running earlier versions of Debian on your Lombard? I'm asking, because I have big problems on my Lombard: if I have either hald or udisks-daemon running, the computer practically stops after some minutes. This applies to both Lenny and Squeeze. Risto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgdebian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**4E0B7F28.10903@c-it.freeserve.**co.ukhttp://lists.debian.org/4e0b7f28.10...@c-it.freeserve.co.uk
Re: fresh install of squeeze cannot compile alsa
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:32:29AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: On Don, 2011-05-19 at 22:00 -0700, m laks wrote: i do have good sound now. however i am not really sure what is going on. because now i have noticed that the problem was probably mpg321 which plays gibberish still. Indeed, mpg321 doesn't work anymore here either. Are you going to report the bug? Is it just mpg321 or is it also other libao-using packages? If the latter, see #588901. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Multicore kernel
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:41:15AM -0700, Slackware wrote: I know this G4 has 2 cpu's, as I checked it under osX before hosing the system for Linux. But only one cpu showing up in /proc. Limited disk space as it doesn't like my pc scsi cards to boot, only will boot off of an old mac scsi with a 2 gig drive. So still hacking the fs to allow bigger system. Is the kernel only built for one cpu with PPC? Check the linux-image package you have installed. If it ends in powerpc and not powerpc-smp, you probably have the wrong one. You can install the powerpc-smp variant to use more than one CPU; there's really no reason not to. As always, remember not to uninstall the old kernel package while that kernel is running. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Something that we don't want to happen to PowerPC on Debian
I believe perhaps the greatest factor is are new products being made and
expected in the near future.
one I know about is the new NASA/GM Robonaut2 just arrived at the ISS uses
34 powerpc cpus.
things in recent history included
75% of vehicles on the road using ppc processors,
many NASA deep space projects including the Mars rovers.
both of these have recently moved to the next generation / higher speeds of
processors (the heavy duty ones that are to consumers of course old / slow
but in the context of their use these are new generation).
although some or most of these industrial applications appear to be running
VME or some such non Linux OS, I believe that there is certainly future
potential for Linux especially in the aftermarket or smaller manufacturers
with tighter margins (perhaps the new commercial space ventures who knows).
another thing to possible speak of is the wonderfully improved support for
auto-vectorizing of altivec in recent versions of gcc. It would be a
terrible thing to waste this. But the port needs to somehow back it. Debian
being something of a behemoth, it is a wild hope that there would be good
support to simply user custom build systems such as altivec optimizing.
-
Another major major factor is is there (documented) plenty new blood of
developers and users in Debian for the port.
I was witness to the decline and fall of m68k and I believe this was a large
part of the problem (there was a new processor but its use was troubled by
lacking TLS (Thread Layer Security) support which finally was only provided
by a commercial interest and very much too slowly there to save them,
whereas if it were healthy I think it should have gone the other direction,
that is for Linux to support the development of the new hardware. Obviously
in Debian becoming dependent on commercial interests in software development
is a killer.
Brian
p.s. I am shopping for a development board for my research in autonomous
systems, and wouldn't it be nice to have powerpc ? but affordability is an
issue and also community software support -- it is leaning strongly toward
ARM.
any suggestions here ? The price / performance ratio is important.
2011/4/13 Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br
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Dear people,
I know that this is probably not as serious for PowerPC as it was for some
other
platforms, but it was, in my opinion, very sad to know that Debian has
dropped
support for 2 architectures: alpha and hppa.
For some personal reasons, I felt particularly sad about alpha (I planned
to buy
one used machine for my own use), but, now, I sincerely hope that people
more
knowledgeable about the architecture reintroduce them as official ports of
Debian again.
As I would really hate to see these things happen to PowerPC, would other
people
join me in collecting data for a future requalification of PowerPC as a
release
architecture in Debian? Previous qualification/certification data are
available in:
http://wiki.debian.org/powerpcEtchReleaseRecertification
http://wiki.debian.org/powerpcLennyReleaseRecertification
I know that this may sound a bit premature at this stage, but it is better
if
we, as a whole, report the errors as early as possible (and, for those that
can,
provide a few patches), so that ppc is as healthy as feasible and not in
any
danger of being dropped out.
For those that didn't know about alpha and hppa being dropped from Debian,
please read this:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/04/msg0.html
Regards,
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Re: A short tutorial on running GRUB2 on a PPC
I have had libfreevec (clibrary replacement) installed on my g4 powerbook
for several years with no problems, upgrading in place from etch to lenny to
squeeze. but I have not tried to build apps against it.
gcc has very good auto-vectoring since 4.3 or 4.4 so you don't need to hand
code. Some limited tests here show 2-3 times speedups.
nevertheless the rebuild process is so painful (especially by my lonesome)
for debian and so painless for netBSD that I am planning a ground up build
of the latter as soon as 6.0 comes out (they are a bit slower in the
compiler updates).
Brian
2011/4/2 Rogério Brito rbr...@ime.usp.br
(Please, keep me CC'ed, as I am not currently subscribed to -powerpc)
Hi there.
As some people may not consider yaboot to be a bootloader for the long term
(well, depending on your views, not even for the short term), I took some
time to distill, experiment, pull my hair, become frustrated, and write a
moderately introductory post on getting GRUB 2 on my iBook G4.
The post is here:
http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog/posts/running_grub2_on_powerpc_macs/
Please let me know if you find this useful.
BTW, I am just playing with getting Freevec on my computer (well, it should
be faster, since Altivec is essentially not used in current Linux
distributions) and I will keep those that want posted (if you want) when I
have something to show.
Well, right now, I have a very crufty solution that works for me, but that
I
am ashamed to publish and ruin the rest of reputation that I have. :-)
Finally, a stupid question: is there anybody out there that knows if the
current Iceweasel in experimental (4.0) has any kind of JIT for PowerPC? I
mean, like TenFourFox (http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/)?
If not, their patches are available
(http://tenfourfox.googlecode.com/files/TenFourFox-changesets-20110323.zip
).
And the developer's blog is very instructive (
http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/).
(Yes, I know that I could just ask Mike Hommey, but let's see if anybody
here has already tried this).
Feedback is welcome.
Regards,
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Re: Error creating a PIC EXECUTABLE in a POWER-PC Debian
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 06:59:05PM +0100, Stefano Bonifazi wrote: I've reported already this problem to gcc-help. I've received the answer of Mr. Lane Taylor, a big expert of linkers. He checked my reports, and found bugs in the current debian6 PPC toolchain: gcc crt .o files are not compiled as PIC as they should. Moreover also crt1.o from glibc is not compiled as PIC. File bugs on the packages that contain the offending files. Use dpkg -S to determine which those are. If it's not clear which files are being linked in, use gcc -v to see the full command line, including the locations of the crt*.o files. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: R_PPC_REL24 relocation __libc_start_main/__nptl_deallocate_tsd out of range
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:29:39AM +0100, Stefano Bonifazi wrote: My binaries are someway special being compiled with -fPIC and linked with -pie (gcc -Wl,-pie) as I need full relocatable PIC executables. You probably want to just use gcc -fPIE for compiling (although gcc -fPIC is not incorrect) and gcc -pie for linking. This may help or it may not. When I compile without -nostartfiles, having libgcc added to my binary I get the following error at runtime: R_PPC_REL24 relocation [...] __libc_start_main' out of range I don't know that I can tell you how to fix it, but here's what it means. The relocation is 24-bit; in other words, the absolute value for the distance from any call to the item called must be less than 2^23 (one bit is the sign). In this case, the distance is larger. One thing that sometimes works on hppa with this kind of problem is to use -ffunction-sections. You might try it and see if it works for you. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: After sid dist-upgrade 3d acceleration has gone
I have a Powerbook 5,6 (1.5/1.67 Ghz early '05), where i just installed Debian but Xorg is not even starting at this point, crashes immediately. I am curious about Xorg identifies the graphics card as a 9600 when in fact it is a 9700. Have you edited your xorg.conf and if so could you send it to me and I will try it. Not high res screen but maybe some help to both of us ? Brian On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.dewrote: Hi all, I've dist-upgraded my PowerBook5,8 for unstable. There ist no more acceleration in 3-D games like foobillard. glxinfo shows: name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: SGI server glx version string: 1.4 I am booting with: image=/pci@f400/ata-6@d/disk@0:4,/vmlinuz-2.6.38-rc4-samweis label=38-rc4 root=/pci@f400/ata-6@d/disk@0:5 append=root=/dev/sda5 video=1440x960x24 radeon.agpmode=1 Installed drivers: ii libdrm-radeon1 2.4.23-2 ii radeontool 1.6.1-1 ii xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.13.2-2 Installed mesa: ii libegl1-mesa 7.10-3 ii libegl1-mesa-dev 7.10-3 ii libegl1-mesa-drivers 7.10-3 ii libgl1-mesa-dev 7.10-3 ii libgl1-mesa-dri 7.10-3 ii libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental 7.10-3 ii libgl1-mesa-glx 7.10-3 ii libglu1-mesa 7.10-3 ii mesa-common-dev 7.10-3 ii mesa-utils 8.0.1-2 insalled server: ii x11-xserver-utils7.5+2 ii xserver-common 2:1.9.4-1 ii xserver-xephyr 2:1.9.4-1 ii xserver-xorg 1:7.6+2 ii xserver-xorg-core2:1.9.4-1 ii xserver-xorg-input-all 1:7.6+2 ii xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-2 ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.3.0-2 ii xserver-xorg-video-radeon1:6.13.2-2 Driver section in xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier ATI Technologies, Inc. RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] BusID PCI:0:16:0 Driver radeon EndSection Any hints? Thanks Elimar -- The path to source is always uphill! -unknown-
Re: Busybox for powerpc doesnt compile
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:34:48AM +0530, Giriprasad Deviprasad wrote: Hi, I am trying to install glibc for the busybox required libs: echo libc_cv_forced_unwind=yes config.cache echo libc_cv_c_cleanup=yes config.cache This is not the right way to do this. You need to use the proper flags to configure. config.cache is an implementation detail meant to speed things up; it is acceptable for it to disappear at any time. export CFLAGS=-I /opt/mpc8250/tools/ppc_6xx/usr/include ../glibc-2.8/configure --prefix=/opt/mpc8250/tools/ppc_6xx/glibc-2.8 --host=powerpc-linux --without-tls --without-cvs --disable-profile --disable-debug --disable-shared --enable-threads=no --with-headers=/opt/mpc8250/tools/ppc_6xx/usr/include/ --cache-file=config.cache I strongly recommend you use a newer glibc. There are definitely some fixes to the PowerPC-specific parts of glibc, and that's just looking at the Debian changelog, not upstream's. checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for unistd.h... yes checking for long double... yes checking size of long double... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long double) See `config.log' for more details. You should look at config.log and see why it fails. Search for the text size of long double and you'll probably find the right place. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Lenny on IBM JS21
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 05:02:42PM -0500, Yoanis Gil Delgado wrote: It has also been observed that either, the following behaviors are seen, randomly, while trying to perform the installation: 1 - The server will comply that not image is present in order to continue the boot process. 2 - The server will detect the OS, start the boot process, but while loading the ramdisk image it will through an error related to accessing an invalid memory address. How are you trying to install? If by CD, are you sure the CD is okay? Was your BladeCenter chassis shipped before June 2003? (There's a compatibility issue with some CD-ROM drives.) I see a lot of these types of problems (on all systems) with bad CDs or bad CD drives. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: IA32 libs dependency, how do I get around it?
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 06:19:36PM -0500, Super Bisquit wrote: I'm trying to build hv3 and have this error: /usr/bin/tclkit-8.5b1-linux-ppc *kit /usr/bin/tclkit-8.5b1-linux-ppc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory libstdc++5 is an older version of the standard C++ library. It has not been in use since gcc 3.3. The up-to-date version is libstdc++6, which you should build against. From what I can see from the hv3 website, you should not download the prebuilt binaries and instead download the source (from the front page) and build that. Looking for libstdc++.so.5 leads me to ia32 libs. The only reference I can find to cross compiling is a small blurb on the IBM DeveloperWorks site. The method is not mentioned nor linked. ia32-libs may contain a copy of libstdc++5 for older binary-only packages that are linked against it. That doesn't mean it should be used. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Need a place to upload/download, I think I know how to build optimized packages but I don't know how to built a debian style repository, that is something people could add to /etc/apt/sources.list. If you wanted to try building web browser that would be cool. I am planning to do some stuff for myself anyway but I am sort of waiting for release in order to have some more stability - web browsers do require updates though fairly frequently. Determining which libraries and dependencies have significant effect would be nice. Having some utilities that can trace where is the code spending a lot of time, gets into details too heavily for me unless it can be matched to some specific package. there is also the freely available libfreevec which provides altivec based libc. Even though it is no longer maintained I still am using it with current testing release and it is working. there was also a library for c++ but it required transforming the code to substitute library calls, the libfreevec works transparently by contrast. compiler optimized was mostly what I was talking about these days, it is much better than it used to be and why not take advantage of the hard work that has been put into that ? On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Gary Driggs gdri...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Brian Morris wrote: My main gripe as I have said before here is that there are no G4-Altivec optimized binary packages Debian based to be found anywhere. I was working on a G5 optimized 64 bit binary of GNU Icecat (their own take on Iceweasel) but encountered some problems that are Mozilla project specific. But if there are other apps you'd like to see optimized I'd be glad to pitch in. I think the last time this subject came up it was frowned upon for some reason beyond my recollection. It's been 10 years or more since I've built packages of any kind but those were Sys V style Solaris packages so anything else should be a walk in the park by comparison. Feel free to write me off list or on depending on whether you think others here would like to be involved. Does anyone know if the package popularity contest stats also track more machine specific data behind the scenes? The reason I ask is that despite there being a fair number of IBM users on the list I suspect that the majority of Debian PPC users have Apple hardware. -Gary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/81b48d61-de8a-4820-ab30-d91ce5c77...@gmail.com
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 06:59:08PM -0800, Gary Driggs wrote: On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:46 PM, Brian Morris wrote: My main gripe as I have said before here is that there are no G4-Altivec optimized binary packages Debian based to be found anywhere. This is not likely to change. Packages are generally built for the most generic type of machine (this is true even of e.g. i386) and I know there are people that are still using G3s. In fact, my main PowerPC machine is an iBook with a G3 processor. Some packages, however, will check the CPU type and enable certain optimized routines (such as those using Altivec) when possible. This strategy is especially common in multimedia software. Does anyone know if the package popularity contest stats also track more machine specific data behind the scenes? The reason I ask is that despite there being a fair number of IBM users on the list I suspect that the majority of Debian PPC users have Apple hardware. No, popcon doesn't. All popcon gets is architecture and list of packages. However, you might be able to pull out some statistics from the number of users who have a given package installed. Bootloaders are a great way to determine this. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unofficial Squeeze NetInst CDs: call for testers
Ubuntu although community supported works well. At least, I have installed 10.0LTS on a couple ancient G3 powermacs with LXDE desktop from server install cd. The reason I did is because wifi support was broke on the laptop in Debian Lenny but worked in Ubuntu. I know Ubuntu is sort of the consumer version of Debian but I think in some cases it is more polished and that Ubuntu-Debian cooperation has been fruitful in the past and should continue. After all, supporting the forks is in Debian constitution... My main gripe as I have said before here is that there are no G4-Altivec optimized binary packages Debian based to be found anywhere. Since my own (limited to a few apps) tests have shown speed ups of 2-3 times and has improved over the last couple years by about 50%... 2010/12/18 Aurélien GÉRÔME a...@debian.org On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 09:01:12PM +0100, nello martuscielli wrote: only Debian and Gentoo, are you sure? Yeah, and YDL and probably many more, eventhough I doubt they also support 10 other architectures. Sorry if I hurt someone's feelings, but I only think mainstream distros. Cheers, -- .''`. Aurélien GÉRÔME : :' : `. `'` Debian Developer `- Unix Sys Net Admin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0NGGcACgkQI2xgxmW0sWKkOwCeJHBeoULmhvUGet4J5XVjIhMO 0hYAnjvCkpNCQLw26YA8Hxb6q5mrjinR =9aNn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Squeeze
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Thomas Carlson tcarl...@sharedcup.comwrote: I now have a functioning Sid installation on my PowerMac G4 (digital audio). Thanks for the help. As to the sound problem... it's still there.The speakers don't work. When I open Alsamixer in a terminal I'm still not able to unmute the Speakers by hitting m. Until the bug is officially fixed you would have to apply the packages your self. Otherwise, keep your eye on the bug reports page for the ALSA containing package bug. When it is fixed the Debian Developer will declare it closed. Since patches are provided it should be pretty soon... Tom On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Risto Suominen wrote: squeeze is testing, it should be either sid or unstable, both should work. Risto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5a508e4a-5d32-45f2-9e3b-b3a3ca864...@sharedcup.com
Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation report
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 07:26:43PM -0700, Gary Driggs wrote: I tried booting the same disc on a PowerMac G4 (mirrored door) and got a white screen. But the same thing happened with Ubuntu. Are there any issues with yaboot this system and/or the Radeon 9000 Pro card that shipped with these units? I guess I should search the list archive, eh? ;) On some PowerMacs, you need to use video=ofonly on the kernel command line to avoid this kind of problem. I own an iBook G3 that required that. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project
On 10/5/10, Gary Driggs gdri...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:59 AM, Wartan Hachaturow wrote: I don't see how this is the reason for /bin/ls being compiled in 64-bit. True but Apache, MySQL, OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice, icecat other browsers, as well as several other apps would benefit from having a smaller, optional repo for 64-bit users. But who wants to step forward offer to maintain all those packages? A lot of that would benefit just as much from altivec support (other than spreadsheets of high finance I suppose), which would have a larger user base, especially since there were no G5 laptops, a lot of people still using the g4 and more might if they were speeded up by 3x, seeing as how they are priced so low, lower than a new netbook. Is there really much maintainance work, I don't know of any problems here. Brian p.s. what about packages such as mozilla-altivec can such be added ? That does help, even without library support. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=wosdwdcpfdxbbjjga3ve8x3=hmzutkppr6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project
On 10/5/10, Thibaut VARÈNE vare...@debian.org wrote: Are you a Gentoo user? ;^P No because I do not have the steady internet needed and besides I would wish to do custom build as a group. But I know what you mean Gentoo lets you auto build everything yourself from scratch. Its a pain besides that's why I prefer fink to macports, with the latter there are no binaries. I prefer having a choice ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti6h4acqojkk2xoxamujfmmbkftodhqrna...@mail.gmail.com
Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project
On 10/4/10, Wartan Hachaturow wartan.hachatu...@gmail.com wrote: The same reasoning as before applies -- why would you want to do this? What are the benefits compared to multiarch ppc32/ppc64? If you are using double precision floating point, the speed of a program compiled 32bit on a 64bit machine is much much slower (maybe 1/10). The 64bit kernel supports 64bit operation Only if the program is compile 64 bit ! Moreover with any app there are library calls. However if compile 64bit, with altivec support, won't run on 32bit machine. But with 32bit and altivec will run faster on both but floating point not faster on on 64bit machine. But other things faster on both. best to try building and testing with various options to see. a lot of trouble for one person to do much all by and for only theirself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikden6v+9oxnmuin+m+dn1b36mqkbtpuzwhg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian powerpc binary compatibility?
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 01:48:19PM +0400, Sergei Poselenov wrote: - What exact target CPU it is built for? I see here http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install the list of supported machines, but how can I understand will the Debian binaries work on my board with the specific CPU? Is it possible, knowing only the specific CPU type (440, 603, 8540, 8560, etc) to say will it run Debian PowerPC Distro or not? (I understand that there should be a kernel supporting the specific board; I'm rather interested in the instructions set used by GCC to build the binary images for Debian powerpc distro. In short - what -mcpu= GCC option is used for build?) I believe -mcpu=generic is used, except for perhaps certain kernels. As you pointed out, if there's a kernel for it, Debian powerpc will run on that type of chip. There may be specially-compiled versions of some packages that use Altivec, but there should be a generic version for those as well. You can try running gcc -v and see what host, build, target, and with-tune are set to. - We are considering to rebuild the Debian distribution, to tune the packages for the specific CPU type (enable hardware FP support, etc). I now the Debian powerpc distro is built natively. Are there any details of the build process available, so we could use it in our build system? Normally when you build a package with dpkg-buildpackage, it sets certain environment variables to a default value (for example, CFLAGS=-g -O2). You may be able to modify that slightly for your needs. Note that that doesn't guarantee that the package in question won't override it. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Freescale in the News (and more)
There was an interesting article in the print version of the San Francisco Chronicle a few days back, all about Freescale. Some points interesting perhaps : They have recovered about 1/2 of $15Billion debt, which the article said was due to slowdown in auto industry and slow recovery. Just gives you and idea of the size of that market for them currently. There was something in there about an upcoming design which incorporated entertainment systems in the vehicle along with the usual control/ diagnostic stuff. Hmmm. Some have speculated that soon our vehicles will be online with regards at least with regard to maps, gps guidance, etc. Anyway it seems like there could be opportunities to involve the Linux community in all that somewhere. Also noted in the article that Freescale is making chips in both the Kindle and the Sony E-Reader. That surprised me. I am still waiting for a good handheld computer, that could run a real version of Linux like Debian (Android definitely does not count). I think that people running Linux on powerpc should keep in mind that if there is a future it may be quite different from the Apple years. For instance if an industrial developer is working on something you will only see a few people here dealing with it whereas back in the old days you would have had a much more consumer market, that is consumers of macs, rather than industrial designers which is no huge mob of people but on the other hand perhaps more interesting ... -- One other thing I noticed not too long ago perhaps of interest. I am a pretty compulsive label reader. On Xbox carton printed in Spanish and English descriptions of the product. The Spanish version said Powerpc cpu, and the English omitted that. Funny; usually the Spanish descriptions are less detailed since the Spanish is more verbose (requires a fair amount more words to say the same thing). Some of my most fullfilling experiences in the Linux world have been with global interactions, communicating with people from around the world I otherwise would never have had any contact with. One can not assume that they are dealing with US cast offs, many of these markets are the hottest places for all kinds of development and are much more amenable to Linux than either the US or even the European markets. These are opportunities to strengthen the position of Linux and of powerpc presence in Linux. As far as Debian goes, at least there are the bits about Debian being a basis upon which Linux grows in several ways, or at least it is supposed to be. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin9rvujxhmoy45sbtxwx90brs1bqx7rnwuw_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-powerpc support
what exactly is your application, may I ask ? remember that you are free to take what you want and to customize what you want, for instance you can take just the core system from debian at least and wouldn't that help you versus putting together your own custom distro from kernel.org gnu.org or something like that ? you may also wish to consider netbsd depending on your needs, it is quite stable and has fewer porting issues for applications, the kernel/ driver interface is more consistent. that's about all I can say, although I believe that the debian wiki would have some statistics on the port as far as minimal qualification standards and how well it meets them, and if you look at the release progress charts you can also see which ports are struggling more to make the release. myself I am mostly using ubuntu these days -- even though the powerpc is officially unofficial or community supported, I believe that it is polished up from the debian it is derived from, as more of a production system, however for development purposes plain debian may be a better bet. Brian Note there are millions of power processors sold every month, tens of millions probably even, so it is not a matter of whether they are going away, it is more a matter of are the mfgs of the devices where they are used, using Linux, and in particular the distribution issue. On 8/27/10, Andreas Kostler andreas.koest...@leica-geosystems.com wrote: Hello all, This is my first post in this mailinglist. We're considering using the Debian powerpc port on an embedded device for one of our on-board systems. Basically, the choice will have to be made whether we're going for a inhouse minimal distribution specifically targeting the target board or going with the debian powerpc port mainly because of it's package management and the availability of system and security updates. My question now is, is that a valid point? Browsing the archives here it seems that the port has lost (and still is loosing) momentum over the recent years. How big is the user/developer community? Does anyone know what the future plans regarding this port are? -- ** Andreas Koestler, Software Engineer Leica Geosystems Pty Ltd 270 Gladstone Road, Dutton Park QLD 4102 Main: +61 7 3891 9772 Direct: +61 7 3117 8808 Fax: +61 7 3891 9336 Email: andreas.koest...@leica-geosystems.com www.leica-geosystems.com* when it has to be right, Leica Geosystems Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikivows5ctdw_5hfd2++byx6tt_nf0+wd81...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktik1c9otmbuu9rnhmugcj6hvrndpc2ksi3cm3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-testing-powerpc-xfce+lxde, 7/26/10
On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 12:41:44PM -0600, Thomas Carlson wrote: AlsaMixer doesn't give me any control of Headphones or Speakers. Just a box with MM in it. MM means muted, OO means on. Hit m to disable the muting. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How can I emulate Debian for PowerPC on Intel processor?
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:03:55AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote: The interesting question is what flavor of PowerPC? There are NewWorld Macs, OldWorld Macs, and a few flavors of IBM and embedded powerPC, each with their own boot firmware interface. I've never used qemu, but I'm told it provides an emulated PPC VM. But I have no idea of which boot firmware it emulates, if any. Anybody know? It actually emulates several different types of PPCs: lakeview ok % qemu-system-ppc -M '?' Supported machines are: mpc8544ds mpc8544ds bamboo bamboo ref405ep ref405ep taihu taihu mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC g3beigeHeathrow based PowerMAC (default) prep PowerPC PREP platform As far as actual firmware, I believe it's Open Firmware, either through openbios-ppc or openhackware. A long time ago, I tried to install Mac OS X 10.1 but was unsuccessful. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installing Debian Lenny on MacMini G4
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 08:59:17AM -0300, Gunther Furtado wrote: Have you thought about installing from an USB stick? is it possible for the kind of hardware you are dealing with? I've installed with a USB stick before for other G4 Apple machines, so it's very likely possible with the Mac Mini. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: booting gparted live cd
Isn't parted now on the netinstall debian cd ? try checking advanced install, then load optional parted, then skip the rest of the install including partitioner just go into the shell option at the main menu, you should have parted there. I used parted a lot and gparted once only when I had to because parted had broken. gparted was a lot (like 1/10) slower. On 7/13/10, Giuseppe Valente gival...@cisco.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to resize the root partition with the gparted live cd, on my PowerMac G5 already running Debian (partitioned with that same cd in the first place). When I try to boot from the cd I get the following: Stage 1 Boot: c Booting CDROM... LOAD-SIZE is too small load-size=3Db2e adler32=3D57aad635 I remember using boot cd:,\install\yaboot to boot the Debian installer, I'm guessing I need something similar for the gparted cd? I poked around the cd itself and couldn't find anything suitable: gival...@comet-lnx-mac1:/cdrom$ ls -R ..: boot gparted.dat syslinux ../boot: boot.cat gparted gparted.igz grub help.msg memtest86 System.map-gparted ../boot/grub: clonezilla.lst grub.conf menu.lst stage2_eltorito Csplash.xpm.gz Gsplash.xpm.gzminix_stage1_5 ufs2_stage1_5 e2fs_stage1_5 help.msg reiserfs_stage1_5 vstafs_stage1_5 fat_stage1_5iso9660_stage1_5 stage1 xfs_stage1_5 ffs_stage1_5jfs_stage1_5 stage2 ../syslinux: boot.msg options.msg splash.lss syslinux.cfg Appreciate any suggestion, couldn't find anything about this on Google. Thanks, Giuseppe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2010071314300950073-gival...@ciscocom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimm17crea5so05h68owbqda3brvk_t1muul2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: ISO For Recent Debian Squeeze
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:56:14AM +1000, Eraina and Richard jenkins wrote: I have tried to find a recent iso for debian squeeze without success. Debian 5.0.4 works well on this G5 machine, but many of the programs are quite dated (like a kernel with numbering 2.6.26 !). Someone suggested I try a weekly build of squeeze ... and if it's stable I would like to give it a go. The easiest way to do this is to install a stable Debian release and then simply change /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to testing, update the package lists, and then dist-upgrade. I run sid on all my machines, and that's the way I've installed all of them. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: video problem on powerbook g4 in squeeze
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:46:24AM -0700, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: video=radeonfb:off only problem is I don't actually know where to put that... You'll probably want to put that in the append option for yaboot.conf, IIRC. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: fan management on G5
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 05:46:08PM -0700, Gary wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. I, too, am running squeeze -- maybe I forgot to mention that. I'm a regular updater as well. In fact, I was just running an update before checking my email and found the following unrelated issue with a Broadcom network adapter I'm using (see below)... I'm worried that if I reboot now that my card won't work but those files don't exist currently so I'm not sure what to suggest. The files in /lib/firmware appear to be binary blobs but I don't know for certain. The Tigon 3 network adapter will work just fine without the firmware in most cases. I have an amd64 machine with the same network card and it doesn't need the firmware. update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-powerpc64 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3 These two files are optional; if present, they enable TSO (TCP Segment Offloading), a optimization to maximize throughput. If you don't have them, then you don't get TSO, but the card will work normally. W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3 This is important if you have an early model card (a 5701 rev A0), because it contains a patch for a significant bug. Otherwise, it's irrelevant. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
LXDE Rocks !
I just was trying Ubuntu server ppc for an old g3 -- the Gnome Desktop default was way too slow, but I found these LXDE packages and they worked good so I put them on my g4 powerbook too. Wow, great ! Gnome is so slow ! Debian has them too (that's what the g4 is running, the only reason I used ubuntu for the g3 powerbook was that the pc-card wifi was broken on debian) -- my g4 is running squeeze. Its really nice there. Another good newish lightweight tool I just found is links2. Unlike the other members of the lynx family this one runs in graphical or text mode. No javascript though (but that support in Elinks wasn't working too well for me anyway). bbc.co.uk takes you to a simplified version of their site with text and pictures only (no flashy stuff). Links2 can also do gmail pretty well. Graphical mode also includes buttons and a pull down menu. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimzv5vexztusvkqoh6zok7w_z-dpr8ui1mff...@mail.gmail.com
Re: battery status applet not working
I think it may depend on what model you have. at some time there was a switch from pmud to pbbutonsd as the power management daemon, maybe 2003 ?? On 6/19/10, Jeroen Diederen jjhdiede...@zonnet.nl wrote: Does anyone know how to get a battery status applet in the panel? I am in Squeeze / LXDE and I checked that kernel module pmu_battery is loaded. Gnome-power-manager is installed. If I add the battery status to the panel, it does not show anything. Does anyone know what to do about this? Regards, Jeroen Diederen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/haxr7bvu.1276962055.7665590.jjhdiede...@pop3.versatel.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinwmee0uwgs4vxpavclw3hvwso1iycd8dtav...@mail.gmail.com
Re: R_PPC_REL24 relocation ... out of range
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 09:44:28PM -0300, Gunther Furtado wrote: Hi, After the latest update mplayer is giving me: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libvpx.so.0: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x48040a68 for symbol `memset' out of range It appears that some code in a shared library is not being built with -fPIC. That might work on i386, but it certainly will not on powerpc. If this is the Debian mplayer, you should file a bug report on the mplayer package and include the error you got. If it's not the Debian package, then you need to contact whomever you got it from and report it there. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
On 3/31/10, Michel Dänzer daen...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 17:21 -0700, Brian Morris wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Aris Monazteriaz iama...@gmx.com wrote:
How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away
or
I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support?
etc..
You don't have to but if you get the compiler flags right for your cpu
optimized it will run a lot faster.
Especially these days more than ever as auto-altivec optimizing has
been greatly improve with gcc4.5
Do you have any numbers to back that claim?
Try building gprolog - it has a benchmark suite in the build
directory. Build from upstream source.
70-100% faster in all tests.
I just did this a few days ago, its the first time I did.
On the other hand though, you can do this trick on macosX just as easily.
Most people advise, just optimize the software you use most heavily.
Which is a personal matter, still
it would be nice to have common packages like iceweasel-{7400,7450}.
For macos you can get these from a mozilla person in the UK.
Brian
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Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
p.s. sorry that figure was from osX Tiger. I haven't finished the
comparison on current unstable yet.
On 4/1/10, Brian Morris cymraeg...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/31/10, Michel Dänzer daen...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 17:21 -0700, Brian Morris wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Aris Monazteriaz iama...@gmx.com
wrote:
How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right
away
or
I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash
support?
etc..
You don't have to but if you get the compiler flags right for your cpu
optimized it will run a lot faster.
Especially these days more than ever as auto-altivec optimizing has
been greatly improve with gcc4.5
Do you have any numbers to back that claim?
Try building gprolog - it has a benchmark suite in the build
directory. Build from upstream source.
70-100% faster in all tests.
I just did this a few days ago, its the first time I did.
On the other hand though, you can do this trick on macosX just as easily.
Most people advise, just optimize the software you use most heavily.
Which is a personal matter, still
it would be nice to have common packages like iceweasel-{7400,7450}.
For macos you can get these from a mozilla person in the UK.
Brian
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Re: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4?
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Aris Monazteriaz iama...@gmx.com wrote: How usable is Debian on PowerBook G4? Can I install programs right away or I have to compile them myself? Can I install Firefox with Flash support? etc.. You don't have to but if you get the compiler flags right for your cpu optimized it will run a lot faster. Especially these days more than ever as auto-altivec optimizing has been greatly improve with gcc4.5 Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b19c9ba71003301721m24c9ec86yb1de97c58bef2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian or ubuntu
Hej Jordan, My experience is from a G5, but everyone with an Apple based computer is pretty much in the same lurch these days. Most things work fine in Debian Lenny PPC. The Debian team seems to do their best for us orphans, whereas Ubuntu sometimes has the feel of being a part-time project since it became a community effort. Gnash and swfdec are both terrible and the only way that you can view You Tube in a browser. Ubuntu hasn't even bothered to include these in the default Karmic PPC install. An alternative is to use Download Helper, a Firefox extension. Video otherwise works fine for me. So does audio. If you use Thunderbird/Icedove, there is a small issue with the Lightning and Provider for Google Calendar extensions in Debian. In general, you have to get used to first checking Synaptic/Aptitude for available Firefox/Iceweasel and Thunderbird/Icedove extensions, which is counter intuitive as per the way you normally add extensions for Firefox and Thunderbird, but the bonus is that you find PPC versions of some of the most popular and geeky extensions. In my opinion, much has been done to try to make Debian PPC as good a distro as the PC version. Unfortunately, the same can't always be said for the Ubuntu Karmic PPC. Here is the Ubuntu Karmic PPC URL in case you need it: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.10/release/ Jordan Force wrote: Hi, I was considering putting Ubuntu on my ibook G4, and I was wondering: Would the setup for ubuntu be significantly easier than debian? I mean, would installing the system and getting things like wireless and sound to work be harder in Debian than Ubuntu? Thanks, Jordan Sent from my iPod -- Registered Linux user number 505331 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9fb2a0.2040...@durant.dk
Debian PPC user group on identi.ca
I just wanted to let people on the list know that I have started a Debian PPC (debianppc) group on identi.ca You can find the group here: http://identi.ca/group/debianppc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: HowTo Nouveau on PPC64.
Amit Uttamchandani wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 04:39:09PM +0100, Brian Durant wrote: I have a standard Lenny system installed on a G5 single with a 1.8 GHz. processor and GeForce FX 5200 graphics card. I understand that the Nouveau driver is still in experimental, but that there are requests from developers to try using it on desktop machines. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any information about where to download a PPC64 version or how to install it. Is there a HowTo somewhere? Hi, I haven't installed Nouveau driver myself but I have attempted to do so before. It is not that hard to compile and set it up but you will need a fairly recent version of Xorg and its associated MESA libraries. I don't think the ones in Lenny are new enough. You might need to upgrade to squeeze or maybe even sid. But of course, it is best to research first. The instructions for x86 should work for ppc as well. Good luck, Amit I was hoping that it was at a level where it was just a matter of subscribing to the correct repo :-( Cheers, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
HowTo Nouveau on PPC64.
I have a standard Lenny system installed on a G5 single with a 1.8 GHz. processor and GeForce FX 5200 graphics card. I understand that the Nouveau driver is still in experimental, but that there are requests from developers to try using it on desktop machines. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any information about where to download a PPC64 version or how to install it. Is there a HowTo somewhere? Cheers, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is Debian on PowerPC dead? [Re: Bug still present [Re: Bug#562575: installation-reports: Buisnesscard PowerPC installer loops with Segmentation faults]]
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: This bug is still present in the Thu Jan 14 16:08:46 UTC 2010 businesscard CD downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/ So far as I can tell, this bug has not been looked at by the debian-installer folks. Is PowerPC simply so unimportant that resources cannot be spared to even *look* at a problem that renders the installer unusable on that hardware? From my experience a) there is little point to the business card image. The netinstall is the good option. b) daily builds are not necessarily supposed to work they are just for developers to share and try out ideas with. c) try the weekly builds, d) try testing, do a basic install and add unstable items with testing preferred. Unstable is not guaranteed to do anything except that (do I have this exactly right) certain very severe bugs cause it to reject moving to testing, after a short period of time the item either moves to testing or to experimental or nothing (in that particular version). I am no DD I have just listened to the lists for a few years. Brian
Fwd: Installing on a firewire drive.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Brian Morris cymraeg...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Installing on a firewire drive. To: Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.net On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.netwrote: Hello, I have a PPC Quicksilver running MacOS 10.5.8 and would like to install Linux on a partitioned Firewire drive. I looked through the installation document and could not find a way to redirect the installation to the drive. The drive is recognized bootable because the MacOS is booting from the drive. Anyone have a idea of how I can perform the installation? I should also inform you that I am extremely new to Linux. Frank J. R. Hanstick tro...@comcast.net Bootloader can be a little challenging. Normally one chooses the first parition on the primary hard drive which is the default to boot from as Linux boot partition -- then that points to the actual partiton(s) where you are running your linux. The boot partition also should be a certain size (its about 900k I think). ybin also sets the startup partition in NVRAM. You can boot into Mac using the option key held down at startup without disturbing this. Also you can specify your osX partition number (the actual count all partions including the map and any drivers, not a mac (bsd style) partion i.d.) and get a console text menu at startup where you are asked to type L for linux or X for mac, with a default. You can set all that up as usual but if the firewire drive is not hook up obviously you could get stuck, especially if it is not all set up correct (there should be questions from the installer to guide you). Another way to boot into openfirmware and specify the id of the startup drive by hand. You should probably know that for this situation in case of troubles. Note especially that if you put the boot block on the firewire drive what that would do. Hope this summary is enough of an orientation. Advise you do only a basic installation to test, then you can do a full or you can install what software you want with aptitude.
Re: Is this the appropriate list?
On 12/19/09, Thomas Carlson tcarl...@sharedcup.com wrote: I have given up on getting the sound card working as it will just be a development machine anyway. Any suggestions for a good development environment other than the standard GNU/GCC compiler tools collection? Perl. Lisp (lots of choices here, some are smaller than others). Python. Reasons: scripting interactive development. Perl has lots useful modules and easy to do advanced stuff. Lisp teaches you a lot about programming, and has led innovation several generations. Python is objective, and fast. Some people like java. because partly maybe it is easy to develop GUIs. if you want that. Python has TCL/TK interface. Perl has C interface, etc etch. many other languages available in Debian ... As far as powerpc goes, the scripted languages are probably more portable, as the language itself contains more in the core that is already ported. Some languages that are not are more portable, some work better on powerpc -- particularly in the Lisp section. Java was bad for a long time because IBM was sort of closed and did the powerpc but now the standard Sun java is available it may be better, however apple still uses their own java for MacOSX My opinion/ experience ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hard Crash Xserver on Powerbook (Pismo) Sid
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Stephane Louise luigi+onl...@nerim.netluigi%2bonl...@nerim.net wrote: Hi, Brian Morris wrote: Hey I just did an update today at the console, and starting up the window system after, the Xserver hangs. I can try reconfiguring the server first (I have a very plain system here, just openbox wm with a startx manual start), and/or I can test it by ssh line in case it is just the server/ keyboard hanging. My macmini here dies whenever I try to launch an opengl application (like glxgears, glxinfo alone is alright though). When I say it dies, its: hard freeze, cannot ping the poor thing throught network and it just stand frozen here until the hard reset. I didn't have time to investigate, but if you have a composite desktop manager, you may want to desactivate that to see if your Tibook survives the X start up. Openbox I run is just a simple window manager. However I could try turning off acceleration of the server driver or even using a generic driver. These things have happened before and sometimes it was a bug and sometimes it was requiring to reconfigure the server options. but its interesting you can't even ping in. I wonder if that could be a kernel bug, the driver problem shouldn't kill the whole OS, should it ? however if you start the server remotely you may see error messages which otherwise are covered up and lost. I did that before too. just lazy now and a bit discouraged around obsolence issues in Debian in general not knowing if it is powerpc or debian or what. Anyway it has been a rather disappointing year for me with Debian and LInux with breakages over incompatibilities. Now I understand why some people keep a copy of old-stable around (which is Etch right now). brian
Re: Hard Crash Xserver on Powerbook (Pismo) Sid
Brian == Brian Morris cymraeg...@gmail.com writes: Brian but its interesting you can't even ping in. I wonder if that Brian could be a kernel bug, the driver problem shouldn't kill the Brian whole OS, should it ? It certainly will if the video driver is living in kernel space. It's almost definitely living in kernel space. Brian however if you start the server remotely you may see error Brian messages which otherwise are covered up and lost. I did that Brian before too. Brian just lazy now and a bit discouraged around obsolence issues Brian in Debian in general not knowing if it is powerpc or debian Brian or what. Anyway it has been a rather disappointing year for Brian me with Debian and LInux with breakages over Brian incompatibilities. Now I understand why some people keep a Brian copy of old-stable around (which is Etch right now). I'm worried about the PPC platform too, but I've got this G5, and it still works... Also Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
suspend/off on a G5
Well I suspend and power-off doesn't seem to work quite right on my g5. suspend looks like it's trying but it wakes up immediately: Initial commandline parameters: Sun Nov 15 22:29:46 PST 2009: Running hooks for suspend. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/00clear suspend: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/05led suspend: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/10NetworkManager suspend: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/49bluetooth suspend: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/50modules suspend: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/90clock suspend: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/94cpufreq suspend: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/95led suspend: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/98smart-kernel-video suspend: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/99video suspend: success. Sun Nov 15 22:29:48 PST 2009: performing suspend ioctl: Invalid argument at - line 4. Sun Nov 15 22:29:48 PST 2009: Awake. Sun Nov 15 22:29:48 PST 2009: Running hooks for resume /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/99video resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/98smart-kernel-video resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/95led resume: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/94cpufreq resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/90clock resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/50modules resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/49bluetooth resume: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/10NetworkManager resume: success. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/05led resume: not applicable. /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/00clear resume: success. Sun Nov 15 22:29:49 PST 2009: Finished. Is this a kernel problem, or maybe something which can be helped with some configuration magic ? Thanks, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Hard Crash Xserver on Powerbook (Pismo) Sid
Hey I just did an update today at the console, and starting up the window system after, the Xserver hangs. There is a cursor but no menu action and no out via function keys, plus the cursor doesn't move anyway, so I had no choice other than a hard reset restart (Clover-Option-Power keys). I can try reconfiguring the server first (I have a very plain system here, just openbox wm with a startx manual start), and/or I can test it by ssh line in case it is just the server/ keyboard hanging. its a PITA though so I wondered if anyone else having problems and if so what if any thing helps. My temptation is just to wait a week or two and see what happens. Brian
Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
I think that you should start out with something of the sub-netbook type. These are the next generation and coming up very soon. For a home computer you need at least dual core and at those speeds it will need a very low price and small footprint. If you could sneak in on the sub-net quick perhaps power could become 2nd to ARM as AMD is to Intel. Intel is trying to sneak in but there could be some anti-trust issues, especially if there are other contenders (maybe). Its really too too bad PA-SEMI killed by apple last year. I am still mad about that. That was a really really nice cpu, 2ghz and 7watt and 64bit. Should have been illegal. The first subnetbook may likely be an apple product, and a tablet with an optional separate keyboard and a 9.5 inch screen, and the ARM cpu... On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski g.liakhovet...@gmx.de wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this, CC me as I'm not subscribed) Hi, First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer, also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on the following sites: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopictopic_id=29594forum=33start=0viewmode=flatorder=0 http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424 http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465forum=11 http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flattopic_id=3768forum=4 http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604 To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it goes: I'm considering funding the design production of a new PowerPC system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a little market research first. I know the market is literally dying for a new powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one? Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc. And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the desktop range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86? Thanks Guennadi Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order of probability/importance: 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be prohibitive. 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately. 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait. Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include: * SATA connectors * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable) * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we might even have 4!!!) * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there) * 1 PCI-e slot 1x * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases) Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards. Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are wondering, yes, the boards will be
Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
one other idea (sorry) Debian is not providing an altivec optimized version. If you want that you have to go with Gentoo. If you were building cpu optimized from the ground up with the libaltivec and perhaps the c++ altivec libraries (that require translation for the changed library calls to all the source codes that use them -- ughh) -- it would be a lot more interesting. I've thought about doing the Gentoo but its a lot of compiling, especially on slower cpus (I've had some experience with fink and macports in MacOSX which want that too) On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski g.liakhovet...@gmx.de wrote: On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this, CC me as I'm not subscribed) Hi, First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer, also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on the following sites: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopictopic_id=29594forum=33start=0viewmode=flatorder=0 http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424 http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465forum=11 http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flattopic_id=3768forum=4 http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604 To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it goes: I'm considering funding the design production of a new PowerPC system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a little market research first. I know the market is literally dying for a new powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one? Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc. And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the desktop range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86? Thanks Guennadi Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order of probability/importance: 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be prohibitive. 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately. 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait. Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include: * SATA connectors * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable) * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we might even have 4!!!) * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there) * 1 PCI-e slot 1x * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases) Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards. Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my company (Codex). Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual feedback I get from those
Re: PowerPC 8500??
Might be the cpu. Mine has a 250mhz 604ev that came out of a '97 Power Computing Tower. I'm pretty sure it was a 2.6.18 I booted, as I remember all that pain around the 2.6.8 on my 3400 'book and booting the 2.6.15 from ubuntu and running etch on that until 18 and 20 where the RAM disk still wouldn't work and it required I built my kernel to not need it. That was fix in 26, but now there are problems in pc card support on the old world 'books (sigh). Are there versions of the 8500, which can be verified by the date of mfg ? (as there were for instance with the Blue+White G3 tower Rev A and B). On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 02:16:54PM -0400, Frank Rubinsky wrote: Hi All I have an old PowerPC 8500/132 (actually, I think it was upgraded - 150 maybe??). I'd like to install Debian on it (my first experience with Linux). The HCL at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Apple doesn't list the 8500 - the oldest machines on it seem to be G3s. So what's the best version of Debian to install? Sarge. Unfortunately, kernels more recent than 2.6.8 won't boot on my 8500. You can upgrade the userland to etch, as long as you don't change the kernel. When you hit lenny, udev will complain about the kernel being too old; and when you try to go beyond lenny, libc will cause you problems. -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Fwd: view flash website
-- Forwarded message -- From: Brian Morris cymraeg...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:27:51 -0700 Subject: Re: view flash website To: the grv my...@yahoo.co.uk On 9/2/09, the grv my...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi everybody. Sorry for my bad english. Oh yes, finally i do it. I setting up my debian-box into my powerbook. I'm free. Now, i must to view flash websites. Gnash (please forgive) is horrible. You have a suggestion? GRV VLC plays (current) flash very well as a standalone player, on osX, but on my powerbook2000 (g4 550 upgraded, but graphics still weak) the current version does not work either in osX or debian. Their is a plug-in, it should be able to stand-in for flash if you can figure out how to fake it identifying to the website (why doesn't it set itself up this way ?) VLC also plays MPEG video so it is handy if it works or can be made to interface with browser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Installer hanging wifi install PowerbookG3
hi, I am having trouble to get an installer going on a powerbook g3 Wallstreet II with an external pcmcia wifi card. At boot I get a pageful or errors from the loading of pc card services but the boot continues and then hangs at the line loading SCSI mesh. I have tried Lenny and also Sid. I have installed before on powerbook 3400 and 3500 / g3 (Kanga) and Pismo g3 2000/firewire. I have had problems lately with wifi on these since 2.6.21 and later kernels. One card I used to use no longer can establish a connection. The other works but it hangs for about one minute if it is inserted prior to boot but not if inserted after, that is on the Pismo. On the Kanga it was hanging not as bad a few versions back but now not. On both that is with a CISCO card, the PRISM card does not work still. Back to the Wallstreet, I tried the Sarge installer and it boots fine but cannot find the archives I am not sure about Etch installer (so many old versions in my cd pile)... I also tried a couple older custom kernels I had use with the Kanga back around 2.16.18 and 2.6.20 (because of initrd not working which was an official bug which was fixed early this year). I am not averse to running Etch or to build custom kernels if necessary but I do need the wifi. Back when I was looking over distros I picked Debian partly because it booted installer with wifi easily. By the way I also tried with current installers to insert wifi card after boot which booted installer but on inserting wifi card again hangs. Can go to a shell and see the dmesg errors there but switching back to installer the screen is black (this is probably an unrelated issue but not cool). I have some backups of some of these earlier Debian version I could clone with parted, but I still have then the wifi problem even so. Anybody have any experience with the issue or can suggest anything I would appreciate. Before I go and file a bug against installer. Thanks Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing Synaptic on Lenny KDE PPC system.
Thanks. I did this on both my G5 and my daughter's old IBM
ThinkCenter. here is what I got:
The following NEW packages will be installed:
docbook-xml{a} libglade2-0{a} libscrollkeeper0{a} libvte-common{a}
libvte9{a} scrollkeeper{a} sgml-base{a} sgml-data{a} synaptic xml-core{a}
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
deborphan gksu libgnome2-perl
0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/4083kB of archives. After unpacking 15,1MB will be used.
Writing extended state information... Done
Selecting previously deselected package sgml-base.
(Reading database ... 87538 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking sgml-base (from .../sgml-base_1.26_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package xml-core.
Unpacking xml-core (from .../xml-core/xml-core_0.12_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package sgml-data.
Unpacking sgml-data (from .../sgml-data_2.0.3_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up sgml-base (1.26) ...
Setting up xml-core (0.12) ...
Selecting previously deselected package docbook-xml.
(Reading database ... 87774 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking docbook-xml (from .../docbook-xml_4.5-6_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libglade2-0.
Unpacking libglade2-0 (from .../libglade2-0_2.6.2-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libscrollkeeper0.
Unpacking libscrollkeeper0 (from .../libscrollkeeper0_0.3.14-16_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libvte-common.
Unpacking libvte-common (from .../libvte-common_0.16.14-4_all.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libvte9.
Unpacking libvte9 (from .../vte/libvte9_0.16.14-4_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package scrollkeeper.
Unpacking scrollkeeper (from .../scrollkeeper_0.3.14-16_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package synaptic.
Unpacking synaptic (from .../synaptic_0.62.1+nmu1_i386.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Processing triggers for menu ...
Setting up sgml-data (2.0.3) ...
Setting up docbook-xml (4.5-6) ...
Setting up libglade2-0 (1:2.6.2-1) ...
Setting up libscrollkeeper0 (0.3.14-16) ...
Setting up libvte-common (1:0.16.14-4) ...
Setting up libvte9 (1:0.16.14-4) ...
Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-16) ...
Rebuilding the database. This may take some time.
Setting up synaptic (0.62.1+nmu1) ...
Processing triggers for menu ...
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
I ran a sudo aptitude -y install --without-recommends synaptic
Still a lot of junk installed in my opinion, but I guess it could be worse :-)
Brian
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Installing Synaptic on Lenny KDE PPC system.
Is there a way to install Synaptic on a KDE system and keep the GTK+ libs to a minimum? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
Hi Geert, I just tried xawtv, but it quits at startup. I ran it from the command-line and this is what I got: $ xawtv This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/ppc64 (2.6.26-2-powerpc64) xinerama 0: 1280x1024+0+0 /dev/video0 [v4l2]: no overlay support v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway ioctl: VIDIOC_QUERYMENU(id=9963800;index=0;name=;reserved=268693400): Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character Warning: Cannot convert string -*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-* to type FontStruct ioctl: VIDIOC_G_STD(std=0x4800442204e8 [PAL_H,PAL_D,PAL_D1,PAL_K,PAL_Nc,(null),(null),(null),(null),(null),(null)]): Invalid argument Segmentation fault I have absolutely no idea what that means . I hope you have an idea :-) Cheers, Brian On 5/4/09, Geert Uytterhoeven geert.uytterhoe...@sonycom.com wrote: On Sat, 2 May 2009, Brian Durant wrote: Is there a KDE alternative to Cheese? I want to avoid installing 36 GNOME packages on my system. Kopette can be used with Gtalk, but Gtalk video isn't supported on PPC. You can also try xawtv. On 5/2/09, José JORGE lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote: A Saturday 2 May 2009 17:41:05, Brian Durant escreveu: Any idea how to do any of what is suggested? I am a newbie. I think you have nothing to do. Just launch cheese With kind regards, Geert Uytterhoeven Software Architect Techsoft Centre Technology and Software Centre Europe The Corporate Village · Da Vincilaan 7-D1 · B-1935 Zaventem · Belgium Phone:+32 (0)2 700 8453 Fax: +32 (0)2 700 8622 E-mail: geert.uytterhoe...@sonycom.com Internet: http://www.sony-europe.com/ A division of Sony Europe (Belgium) N.V. VAT BE 0413.825.160 · RPR Brussels Fortis · BIC GEBABEBB · IBAN BE41293037680010 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
Okay, here is the output that I received. It seems like camstream froze. Using Cheese with Ubuntu 8.04 and accessing the webcam freezes the entire system. Here is the output from camstream on Debian Lenny: $ camstream W: CamStream version 0.27 starting. void CCamStreamApp::ReadConfigFile() W: Failed to open configuration file '/home/user/.camstream/config.xml' for reading. D: creating defaults node D: creating videodevices node D: creating audiodevices node void CCamStreamApp::ReadConfigFile() D: CVideoCollector::VideoCollector() D: CVideoDevice::CVideoDevice() D: CVideoDevice::CVideoDevice() D: CVideoDeviceLinux::CVideoDeviceLinux(/dev/video0) W: CVideoDeviceInput: Warning: no channel info available. D: CVideoDeviceLinux::CVideoDeviceLinux() CCamWindow::CCamWindow(QWidget*, const char*) CCamWindow::CCamWindow(QWidget*, const char*) CWebCamViewer::CWebCamViewer(CVideoDevice*, QWidget*, const char*) QDomNode CCamStreamApp::FindVideoDeviceConfig(const QString, const QString, bool) Trying to find video options for UVC Camera (046d:09a6)@/dev/video0 D: Creating new node for UVC Camera (046d:09a6)@/dev/video0 QDomNode CCamStreamApp::FindVideoDeviceConfig(const QString, const QString, bool) CVideoOptions::CVideoOptions() virtual void CVideoOptions::DeclareVariables() virtual void CVideoOptions::DeclareVariables() CVideoOptions::CVideoOptions() D: CSnapshotSettingsDlg::CSnapshotSettingsDlg(...) W: QFont::setWeight: Value out of range (100) D: CVideoDeviceLinux::Init() W: Cannot query audio capabilities of video device. D: Allocating own buffer. D: Initial image size = (176, 144) W: Failed to restore video controls. D: CVideoDeviceInput::Select() failed. D: CVideoDeviceLinux::Init() D: CVideoSettingsDlg::SizeChanged(176x144) D: CVideoSettingsDlg::FramerateChanged(10) D: No Philips webcam detected, removing extension tab D: CCamPanel::SetSize(176x144) D: CCamPanel::SetImageSize(176x144) D: CCamPanel::SetVisibleSize(176x144) D: CCamPanel::SetSize(176x144) D: CCamPanel::SetImageSize(176x144) D: CCamPanel::SetVisibleSize(176x144) void CWebCamViewer::RecalcTotalViewSize() void CWebCamViewer::RecalcTotalViewSize() CWebCamViewer::CWebCamViewer(CVideoDevice*, QWidget*, const char*) D: CVideoDevice::IncrementPalette(0) D: CVideoDeviceLinux::StartCapture() D: CVideoDeviceLinux::SetPalette picked palette 8 [yuyv] D: CVideoDeviceLinux::CreateImagesRGB() D: CVideoDeviceLinux::CreateImagesRGB() D: CVideoDeviceLinux::run()... D: CVideoDeviceLinux::StartCapture() D: CVideoDevice::IncrementPalette() void CWebCamViewer::ClickedVideoConfig() void CWebCamViewer::ClickedVideoConfig() D: CVideoDevice::DecrementPalette(0) D: CVideoDeviceLinux::StopCapture() D: Waiting for capture thread to stop... Killed On 5/2/09, Amit Uttamchandani amit.ut...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2 May 2009 19:03:50 +0200 Brian Durant globetrotte...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a KDE alternative to Cheese? I want to avoid installing 36 GNOME packages on my system. Kopette can be used with Gtalk, but Gtalk video isn't supported on PPC. Not that I know of but if you want to check if video works try out the following apps: 1. camstream 2. qcam (this one is quite old, not sure if it will work) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
Hi José, There is a /dev/video0 file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
I contacted Logitech's QuickCam team about the issue. Here is the reply I received: Setting up the Linux UVC driver (uvcvideo) is enough. Just make sure it can be loaded automatically or try to load it manually. You can also keep an eye on your syslog to see if it gets recognized. Any idea how to do any of what is suggested? I am a newbie. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Newbie with intermittent sound problems on Lenny KDE system
I am a newbie experiencing intermittent sound problems with Lenny KDE installed on a G5. I have tried the following: $ strace -o sound.txt bash: strace: command not found -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
Is there a KDE alternative to Cheese? I want to avoid installing 36 GNOME packages on my system. Kopette can be used with Gtalk, but Gtalk video isn't supported on PPC. On 5/2/09, José JORGE lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote: A Saturday 2 May 2009 17:41:05, Brian Durant escreveu: Any idea how to do any of what is suggested? I am a newbie. I think you have nothing to do. Just launch cheese -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Newbie with intermittent sound problems on Lenny KDE system
As I understand it, I should use that command to determine what is wrong with the sound, when it doesn't function. It puts out a text log output that needs to be looked through? Cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Lenny KDE newbie with Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac.
I have a Logitech QuickCam Vision Pro for Mac. The QuickCam is supposed to be in practice cross-platform according to ASE Labs http://www.aselabs.com/articles.php?id=268, as the webcam has no drivers. I have tried checking to see if the device is recognized by the system, so I ran: lsusb The result was: Bus 005 Device 004: ID 046d:09a6 Logitech, Inc. What KDE programs can I use to test to see if the web camera works with Debian Lenny? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Getting Gnash and Java to work with Lenny KDE.
Gnash doesn't seem to want to work with YouTube on my new, clean, Lenny KDE install. What do I need to do to get gnash to cooperate? I would also like to install Java, but haven't been able to find a PPC oriented HowTo. Cheers, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Getting Gnash and Java to work with Lenny KDE.
Does Open JDK perform as well? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Getting Gnash and Java to work with Lenny KDE.
Apparently swfdec-mozilla was already installed when I installed gnash. No incompatibilities? Weird. Anyway, I uninstalled gnash again and I still can't get YouTube to work. Ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Sound AWOL after install.
I installed k9copy, kid3, audacity and vlc (as well as bits that Audacity included) and now I have no sound kmix shows the sound is at 85%, but if I press the up and down volume buttons on my keyboard, the volume thingy that pops up only moves between 0% and 10%. I am newbie with Lenny PPC installed on a G5 1.8 GHz. single and am mightily confused. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Getting Gnash and Java to work with Lenny KDE.
None that I have found seem to work. All I get are big, blank spaces. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Diagnosing early kernel hang [was Re: kernel .config for Debian stock kernel?]
Brian P. Flaherty wrote: Wartan Hachaturow wrote: [...] Kernel configs are available in kernel image packages, and reside in /boot/config-*. Thank you, I'll try to build a new kernel using the 2.6.18 config. I built a 2.6.26 kernel today starting from the 2.6.18 config. That custom kernel hangs in the same place as the Debian installed and Lenny install CD kernel. I don't know exactly where it is hanging, but it is pretty early in the boot process. I think it may be right before the frame buffer happens (Isn't that when the penguin shows up in the top fifth of the screen?). Today I was comparing the kernel and cpu options between the two configs, but couldn't not fix it. Any suggestions for what I should look to change in the 2.6.26 config? Also, are the fans quieter with 2.6.26? That is one of the reasons I wanted to try to get it working. Thank you for your time and thoughts, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: kernel .config for Debian stock kernel?
Wartan Hachaturow wrote: On 3/18/09, Brian P. Flaherty b...@u.washington.edu wrote: I now just boot 'old' and it works. I'd like to get the .config from both kernels (working and not), so I can compare them and build a new kernel that works. Can you point me to the package I install to get that stock .config, if there is one? I'd like it as a starting point. I'd rather not take the time to do the kernel config from scratch right now. Kernel configs are available in kernel image packages, and reside in /boot/config-*. Thank you, I'll try to build a new kernel using the 2.6.18 config. Does the kernel work with video=ofonly? The kernel on the lenny install CD or the newer kernel (2.6.26-13 or -17) from testing on the system do not work with either video=atyfb or video=ofonly. Both hang in the same spot. Thanks for the reply. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
kernel .config for Debian stock kernel?
Hello, I have an iMac G5 (iSight). I was able to successfully install Debian off an old etch netinstall CD a week or two ago. But the fans run like crazy and X behaves a little poorly. I figured it might be better to install lenny to get the newer kernel, etc., but lenny won't install. It boots off the CD, I type 'install64 video=atyfb' (following a different thread on this list), and it halts moments later with some MPICH problems or failures. This is relevant because I upgraded the etch install (via dselect) and installed the next kernel and it also freezes in the exact same place and error. So, I think there's a mismatch between the kernel on my lenny install CD and my computer. I now just boot 'old' and it works. I'd like to get the .config from both kernels (working and not), so I can compare them and build a new kernel that works. Can you point me to the package I install to get that stock .config, if there is one? I'd like it as a starting point. I'd rather not take the time to do the kernel config from scratch right now. Thank you for your time and help. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-powerpc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: G3 Beige Tower install help
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Stephen Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In terms of the disk partioning. Is the MacOS partition supposed to be overwritten and that's why the installer wants to install Quik ? I can't seem to find an option to toggle Quik off. -- I believe it is possible to terminate the install. IIRC, you press go back which takes you to the list of installation steps, then scroll down past quik. Never mind it complains, you are ok. You may need or which to go into a shell before you quit and copy the real initrd (not for installer) so that you get your modules (extensions) when you next boot ?? The hd is mounted in a strange place like /target/[a bunch of strange but obvious stuff] ?? Anyway the real initrd needs to be on the mac side for bootx to use... I don't recall real well its been pretty long time. Hope Ricks instructions go over this. Too bad, all this stuff used to be in the installagion guide and disappeared some time back. Ughh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is your opinion?
--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Esteban Monge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Esteban Monge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What is your opinion? To: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 9:26 AM Hello partners I want install Debian GNU/Linux Etch in my powermac g4 450Mhz, 2Gb Ram, 60GB HDD, do you recommend install this??? pci graphics model might be a problem. agp graphics or later no problem. I have etch on a pci-graphics that runs and boots fine, however the installer cd would not boot. I installed it with connecting the hd to a newer g4. also for that machine the drive designation is reversed, that is the hd is hdc and the dvd or cd is hda. Just in case. agp with a firmware update, necessary for cpu upgrade, it broke the option key so to dual boot macos you have to use the yaboot text menu thing. later models (gigabit and up) should be no problems. I am not sure what the other replyer meant by no workstation however i use zine media player, ginp photo editor and other image tools (nothing bigger than 5 mpx tho), scribus publisher, etc no problems. some apps may be faster with a graphics card upgrade especially if you have bigger monitor somethings. I have debated whether to try kde on these machines but in past I have run one of the simpler desktops or a simple window manager. Lenny will probably be faster than Etch. I think it is already but testing still. Etch was slower than Sarge, but not too noticeable on g4 for me. But much better support for many things. There were some issues where sarge was more safely secure but hopefully that will not recurr and soon there will be no more update for sarge so it would be less secure... But some people were still using sarge for servers after Etch was released. It is not hard to upgrade in place in any case. I have not had to do a fresh install since sarge. You can also clone an existing system which I have done but you need to edit a few files probably. I have done that a few times because it is fast (clone a whole system in a few minutes with parted) Or continue with mi sarge??? upgrade. edit etc/sources.list and dist-upgrade. Thanks... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cell SDK in Debian
Is there an ongoing effort to get the Cell SDK into Debian? I saw a thread about it in February [1], but I haven't seen much since. I would like to see this happen, so if people are working on it, can I help? If it's not being worked on, does anyone want to help me? I know that Ubuntu developers have packaged it, so this shouldn't be a huge project. Thanks, Brian [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2008/02/msg00054.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cell SDK in Debian
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Brian Pellin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an ongoing effort to get the Cell SDK into Debian? I saw a thread about it in February [1], but I haven't seen much since. I would like to see this happen, so if people are working on it, can I help? If it's not being worked on, does anyone want to help me? A further inspection shows that a lot of these packages are in Debian, they just weren't using the names I expected. It looks like a lot of these tools have been added to the gcc-4.3 source package. I'm still interested in helping Debian become more mature on the PS3. I'd appreciate any pointers to who or where these efforts are being coordinated. Thanks, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Right-Click - Middle Click Lombard Keyboard - etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All New to Debian and PPC linux - been using linux on Intel for some time. I recently installed etch on a Lombard (400 Mhz G3 - bronze keyboard - - SCSI) and after all the updates were installed it seems to be a pretty good solution for that hardware. Suspend and resume works nicely, the brightness and volume function keys work (although there is no on screen feedback) etc... I've just got a few little things to iron out. The most annoying thing at the moment is how do I get right and middle click using the trackpad? It would be nice if I could hold down control-click for right click and alt-click for middle click. Comments appreciated Brian - -- program, n.: A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages. tr.v. To engage in a pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Verify this email or encrypt your email for free - see gnupg.org iD8DBQFHUHmzGnOmb9xIQHQRAjQ7AKCxKTfKT35ofROBa0bKjXayM7KYbACgz3fx uQ2oYtCsooetaaqYzhkfnJo= =Nls2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
--- Ralf Saalmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello at Debian, however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. I noticed that this alters with the monitor settings of MacOS. It might help to change the color depth in MacOS. well it helps the console, but because of the framebuffer driver you need for Xwindow does not allow mode change. if you want a higher res you need to boot into that. who can stand 800x600 anymore ? its why i suggest to the OP he needs a video card. of course i also said one thing at a time. personally no, i haven't tried an upgrade in mine yet. i have got this one for free and it is sitting while i gradually accumulate spare parts and cash. the main thing that worries me is that the memory is slow. i tested it goes at 25MB/s. that is something you cannot upgrade. also there is some story out there that sonnet upgrades take away power from pci cards ? if you want video and a hd controller and / or usb or faster ethernet. plus the 8500 is known as the puzzle box as far as adding RAM, plus the physical card of the old L2 external cache needs removing when you install g3 or g4 upgrades so i hear. #8776; I used a 8500 PMac with kernel 2.4 and a sonnet 450MHz G3 with 512kb L2 cache. A kernel 2.6 has worked but I missed the video-in support. One or two things might go wrong. Out-of-the-box sarge 2.6 kernel might have things compiled in that don't work on OldWorld Macs. Compile your own or use a special one from ppckernels.org. The other thing are l2/l3 caches. I had a PowerMac 9500 that could not cold boot the 400MHz G3 card but it does with a restart. I think that might be a cache problem. I had run the 8500 Mac for quit some time without the l2 cache enabled. I found out later how to set it. It's about an upgrade g3 but it might get you on the track: http:// www.cpu.lu/~mlan/linux/dev/g3upgrade.html This might sound strange, but I set up the OW Macs with a woody installer. The old one I have does install debian stable ;-) This always worked in case of a problem with the installer. I think etch has a kernel 2.4. That might be another point to start and build a kernel 2.6 that works, before switching to sarge. I was really hoping ot hear from one of the people who assured me they had used Sonnet cards with Debian; if you're out there (John Schmidt, Peter Rooney, Ralf Saalmüller), please give a shout-out. YES I USE A SONNET G3 CARD WITH DEBIAN. Is that shout-out loud enough? ;-) Hop you get it somehow, Ralf -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHE+petKcsE7vsbMERAlsLAJ0YqG9/ImjoJQ2jkYfcRqiXn4trLQCglxca Et9/CmYwRnpmOuK4qlRZ5h0= =Pg5B -END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Correct Linux Kernel for Sonnet G4 in PowerMac 7500 with Sarge?
--- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, all! I just upgraded my old Power Macintosh 7500 to have a Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4 Processor Upgrade Card. The Mac was a dual boot Mac OS 8.6 / Debian Linux Sarge box. #8776; The problem is Debian won't boot at all; I just get a black screen. I have BootX set up to load a 2.6.8 kernel (overwrote the exact name of the kernel); I'm guessing that the kernel is the problem. It probably only works for a 601 processor. have you tried the default kernel from sarge ??? that is on the sarge install cd. there were 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. otherwise, I would suggest ydl2.0 for a rescue disk. (the entire distro fit on 1 cd the last time it did and the mac hardware support is very good) i have not tried your particular configuration but i have had black screen on a couple older machines and this was part of my procedure and i did get etch going eventually. however, one old 8500 i had to turn up the bright and contrast all the way and then could barely still see the console at night with all the lights out. however(2) once Xwindows started it was fine. assuming that this card is compatible with linux (i have no idea) you could really use a decent video card and ide controller (or something) with the g4 ... you may have better luck with osX, xpostfacto, and fink (debian ports to osX), or opendarwin or something. i have a bunch of old macs but even without upgrade cards i would say you have to be really determined to work on them. it has rewards but it is hard work. also takes a lot of patience you cannot be in so much of a hurry upgrading three things at once ! (make that 6 things since 601 to g4 is three already) brian I had the guy throw out the 601 processor, so going back temporarily isn't an option. I am having a devil of a time getting the Old World Mac booted to use the Etch Install CD. (I am really interested in upgrading to Etch. There is nothing on the Linux parition I care about saving.) Floppy booting doesn't work, probably because of the Sonnet Extension. Etch doesn't include Ramdisk/Kernel images to use with BootX. From my previous posting on 10/29/2006, it appears that people have had success booting into Sarge with a Sonnet card. So, if someone would post with a kernel that allows me to boot into Sarge with the Sonnet card and from where to download the kernel, I should be able to handle upgrading to Etch by myself at that point. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide. Sincerely, -- Jeffrey Rolland [EMAIL PROTECTED] The weed of crime bears bitter fruit; crime does NOT pay! The Shadow knows! - _The Shadow_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: browser
--- Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These PowerPC machines are getting rather weak by modern standards. What do we do for a browser? My 512 MB G4 is now worse than my old 64 MB Pentium-133 which ran Netscape. I just got rid of all my firefox plug-ins, and it's still it would help if you had told us what it is. i mean, which browser you are currently using. (as well as it of maybe which debian are you running) agonizingly slow. I'm slightly tempted to upgrade to see if the problem goes away, but you know how that usually goes. :-( I think I'm running pretty much the last version prior to the silly name change. funny thing happened to me. I was disgust with missing images in iceweasel and another composer thing crashing so i installed iceape-browser. ??? its like 3 times faster and all images show up. not only that but going back to iceweasel the images missing at ebay they show up now with iceape-browser installed... it would still be nice if amaya did not crash right away at startup. and if dillo and w3m did work out of the box without my having to rebuild them. I think there is some quality control issues around browser support in debian. opera is not bad i used it last year when testing was without firefox for several weeks ... but it was not faster for what I do. software freedom for me has a lot to do with having choices. especially from the mainstream ... I want to keep a browser running for months on multiple desktops. I don't dare ask for Java or Flash as this point, but Javascript is critical for gmail and google maps. I'd like to be able to middle-click a few dozen links, having them load in tabs as I click for more. I'd like to then be able to switch tabs without huge lag, even as things load and render in other tabs. Right now I'm spending a few hours each day just waiting for the browser to catch up to me. This is a horrible waste of time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
