How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Mike O'Donnell

I am unable to use my Debian Linux system after the major update I did
on Tuesday.

WHAT HAPPENED: I used dselect in an xterm window under XFree to update the
system after an idle period of 1 week. I update from stable, unstable,
contrib, and nonfree. I allowed one of the installers to shut down xdm,
which led to a reboot. I finished the installation by starting dselect again
from an Xless console. The next reboot led to a login prompt on a non-X
console screen, flashing and ignoring all input, except for CTL-ALT-DEL
which led to another reboot ending in the same state.

WHAT I THINK IS WRONG: I think that my configuration of xdm is broken. The
last two outputs from the boot process, before the login prompt and the
flashing, are an indication that xdm is starting, and an indication that the
nas, which started earlier, has failed. The nas problem has been with me for
weeks, presumably has to do with a misconfigured SoundBlaster, and has never
before affected my ability to run X silently. Besides the install script
that shut down xdm for some change, I accidentally allowed another install
script to change the default X server (I had intended to experiment with
several X servers before deciding whether to change the default). One way or
another, I suspect that xdm is looping infinitely on a failed attempt to
start up X. I experienced similar behavior in an earlier incarnation, when X
failed due to lack of the right mouse driver, but in that case I saw some
failed attempts at driving the video in color, and now I see only on/off
flashing.

WHAT I THINK I NEED: I think that I need to boot the system in single-user
mode, or otherwise avoid starting up xdm, so that I can seek out the bad
configuration files and fix them. I have *only* Debian Linux on the system,
and I start it with LILO. I have been able to run several versions of the
kernel from LILO, including a very primitive one which I keep on a diskette
for emergencies. They all lead to the same behavior. Probably, there is an
appropriate option to give LILO, and it's probably mentioned in the online
documentation which I am now unable to read :^{ (I hope that this emoticon
portrays embarassment). In the past, I have used CTL-ALT-F1 to bring up a
single-user state, but I have been getting no useful response to this
signal, although it resets the phase of the flashing, so something is
evidently reading and ignoring it.

I'll be grateful for all suggestions. Useful ones will help me, and useless
ones will at least distract me from despair for a while :^)

Mike O'Donnell
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Re: hard disk recommendation

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Marc A. Volovic wrote:

 On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote:

  In an attempt to avoid a war, I'll simply say that Silicon Graphics is
  using IBM SCSI drives exclusively.  Given the nature of their products, I

 I am afraid you're wrong. I saw Seagate drives (in older stations) and, 
 more recently, Quantum drives in High Impacts.

SGI used to use Seagate exclusively (up to a year or so ago), but then
they started getting customer complaints on the drives failing.  They did
go to Quantum for a short period, but they found that the Quantum drives
have a nasty habit of recalibrating themselves from time to time, which
makes the drives unavailable for a second or so, which really causes a
performance hit on these machines.  Quantum was unwilling to rewrite the
firmware on their drives, so testing continued.  IBM drives are the only
ones that currently meet SGI specs.

This was from a conversation with an SGI tech about three weeks ago.

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Re: Invitation for testers of frozen distribution

1996-11-21 Thread Philippe Troin

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:38:48 +1100 Lawrence Chim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
t.edu.au) wrote:

 Is the 2GB partition install problem solved yet?

Not yet as this is part of the boot floppies which haven't been updated yet.

Phil.


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Re: X is painful

1996-11-21 Thread Shaya Potter
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
 
  Isn't X the GUI that started it all though?  And the codes are there
 for all to see; so perhaps it served as the reference from which
 MSWindows, MAC and the others have evolved?  The guys who wrote MAC
 and Windows must have studied X-Windows in college, right?

Nah, Xerox at PARC invented the GUI, they actually made a computer that 
used it, but it was really bad.  Both Steve Jobs (Mac guy) and Bill Gates 
visited PARC and saw their GUI.  They both saw that this was where the 
computer interface should head.  The rest is history.
 
 Bill And that environment is supposed to justify the complete
 Bill piece of crap that resulted?
 
  You're complaining about hand-me-downs.  I'll bet there's some really
 neato in-house X stuff out there.

Not just in-house stuff, CDE is pretty nice, and so is NEXTSTEP as has 
been mentioned. 

On a sidebar, has anyone noticed that all of Jobs's companies have 
had good UIs. Apple, Next, 

Shaya
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Re: Newbie Question

1996-11-21 Thread Philippe Troin

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:34:16 MST Wayne Richardson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
code3.com) wrote:

 I have just installed the Debian Linux system on a 386 machine for
 experimental purposes and have transferred and installed the
 gnuchess.deb package (I used dpkg --install  gnuchess.deb because I
 am still trying to figure out what dselect does and how it works) .  Now
 how do I run the darn thing.  I have found the following files in the
 /usr/games directory:
 gnuchess
 gnuchessc
 gnuchessn
 gnuchessr
 gnuchessx
 
 What are all of these files and what do I do with them (Do I have to build
 an executable?).  Obviously I come from a wintel background and am
 expecting a .exe file but there isn't one here (or is there?).
 
 The attributes show them to be -rwxr-xr-x  (whatever that means)

There is nothing such like .exe under unix/linux. The x in the 
`attributes' (called permissions here) just mean executable.
Just try /usr/games/gnuchess, or if /usr/games is in your path, 
gnuchess.

 Is this typical with other packages?  For example, I have also
 downloaded the ppp.deb package and installed it but where in the world
 did it put the executable files so that I can run it.  (I am still trying to 
 get
 the PPP to work so that I don't have to download from my Windows 95
 machine and transfer everything over via diskette (very painful and slow
 and not feasible for the bigger packages).

You can mount your win95/dos partitions to that they appear do be in linux's 
directory tree like this:
mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt
   ^   ^   ^ DOS files will appear under there
   |   | The name of your partition
   | Type of your partition (for win95 
 I don't remeber the name, but this 
 should work for DOS drives).

Though that it might look very difficult at the beginning, installing linux 
should be a rewarding experience.
Good luck.

Phil.


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Re: Invitation for testers of frozen distribution

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
I put in a fix for the 2GB partition problem, but I haven't tested the
boot disk. This morning I built a kernel without initrd, and wasted some
time on that. I have a kernel with initrd building now (so that the root
and boot disks are merged into one floppy) and will test it later.

Bruce
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Re: Crack and cops

1996-11-21 Thread Joe Emenaker
 
  Pardon my ignorance but what exactly are crak and cops?
 
 Cops: security checker.

Cops does some cute things. First off, it checks for some obvious things
like, say, your /var/spool/cron/crontabs dir being world-writable or your
hosts.equiv file being world writable, etc

It's got one really *cute* feature called kuwang, I think. Basically, it's
supposed to find ways that a user can gain root access through a *process*.

For example, let's we've got three users on the system: A, B, and root.
Let's also say that A's primary group is X but it's also in Z. B's
primary group is Z and is also in the root group.

Further, let us assume that B was careless enough to turn on group write
permissions for his/her .profile. So, we've got something like this:

% ls -l /home/B/.profile
-rwxrwxr-x BZ1534  Jan 17  12:34   .profile

And let us assume the same of root:

% ls -l /root/.profile
-rwxrwxr-x root root 2543  Feb 23 16:32.profile

Well, now, it's possible for user A to gain root privledges. A will be able
to write to Bs .profile and, hence, will be able to run anything as B.
This means that A (while running something as B) will be able to write
to roots .profile and will be able to run anything as root.

I know this seems preposterous... like you need this impossible conspiracy of
little misconfigurations to allow for a security hole of this nature... but
it's really not that impossible. Imagine, for example, if you put a certain
user in the www group to allow them to maintain a portion of your web
site. Also imagine that you've added www to the root group so that 
certain CGI scripts will be able access some files that www doesn't normally
have access to. Well, now you're more than half way there... and you
got there by doing two things that, in themselves, didn't seem as all that
unreasonable.

So, to keep a long story from getting any longer, that is what kuwang is
supposed to do. I'm not sure if it really *does*, since it's never found
a hole like that on my machine yet.

- Joe

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Re: Mgetty

1996-11-21 Thread Joe Emenaker
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm having some trouble getting mgetty to work in the inittab file, 
 if i do mgetty 38400 ttyS1  it works fine but i have to manually 
 reset it everytime a user calls.  What line do i need to add to my 
 inittab for it to automatically do it for me as i keep getting it 
 wrong.

S1:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyS1

Notice the respawn, which restarts the process when it dies. Getty's
are one-shot deals. They listen, and then they spawn a login and then
they die. 

Now, an entry like this (athough commented out) should have been placed in
your inittab when you installed the mgetty package.

- Joe

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Problem with filter

1996-11-21 Thread Joe Emenaker

Is anyone aware of permission/ownership  problems with /usr/bin/filter?

I was trying to use the filter command that comes with the elm package
and I ran across a problem.

When instructing filter to save to a file or to do anything other than 
placing a copy in my mailbox, it does fine. When it tries to add to my
mailbox, however, it fails and put the stuff in $HOME/EMERGENCY_MBOX.

I tracked this down to the fact the the perms/ownerships on filter were:
-rwxr-xr-x root root  

What needs to be changed is that filter needs to be owned by the mail 
*group* and then the setgid bit needs to be set, like so:

-rwxr-sr-x root mail

This makes filter run just swell. 

Has this problem already been fixed?

- Joe

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How can I dial out on ttyS?

1996-11-21 Thread Joe Emenaker

I'm trying to get an e-mail-alpha-pager thing working. Everything is
working except the fact that I don't have permissions to use /dev/ttyS1

When I send a page as root, the page goes out fine. 

When I send mail to, say, jdoe, I have /usr/bin/filter pick it up and
execute the pager script, and it fails claiming it doesn't have permission.

So, I added jdoe to the uucp group (which is the group owner of the ttyS's).

Now, when I su to jdoe and send a page, the page goes through.

When I send e-mail to jdoe, it still fails with a permission thing.

I'm suspecting that it's some sort of GID vs. EGID thing. Perhaps, when I
su jdoe, I'm keeping some of my root permissions... or, when filter runs,
it's keeping some of it's permissions from mail or something.

Ideas?

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Re: Mgetty

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Fingers wrote:

 I'm having some trouble getting mgetty to work in the inittab file, 
 if i do mgetty 38400 ttyS1  it works fine but i have to manually 
 reset it everytime a user calls.  What line do i need to add to my 
 inittab for it to automatically do it for me as i keep getting it 
 wrong.

It sounds like you are using the incorrect runlevels in your inittab.

Debian runs at level 2 (I believe).  If you installed the mgetty package,
then the sample should be correct.

The mgetty line I'm using:
s0:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty ttyC0

(I'm using a modem attached to a Cyclades port, of course...)

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Re: Invitation for testers of frozen distribution

1996-11-21 Thread Michael Nonweiler

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:

 Is the 2GB partition install problem solved yet?

No, 'fraid not.  This problem only exists on the install disks though -
you can manipulate 2GB partitions fine once you've installed the base
system.

Hopefully this will be fixed before 1.2 - it's on our list of
Release Critical Bugs!

Cheers,

Michael

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Re: syslog daemon is dying

1996-11-21 Thread Todd Graham Lewis
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Branden Robinson wrote:

 I have a similar problem (but I can eventually get syslogd and klogd to
 both come up by ./etc/init.d/sysklogd restart over and over again).  I
 did a test -e for every file mentioned in /etc/syslog.conf and got a 0
 status every time?
 
 Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Yeppers; run strace.

Mine dies when it tries to do gethostname on the local machine, which
almost makes sense, since it is on a location on the network different
from its destination, and the DNS server is unreachable right now.

But then again, why is it not getting the localhost name from /etc/hosts?
I have named set up in forwarder mode, (order host, bind).

$0.02

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Serial port IRQ strangeness

1996-11-21 Thread Steve Gaarder
I have a Debian 1.1 machine with 4 serial ports, each on its own IRQ.
I edited /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to configure the appropriate IRQs.

Question #1:  At boot, when /etc/rc.boot/0setserial runs, it complains
no such device for each of the devices.  If I do the setserial as 
/etc/rc2.d/S14setserial (after ), it works.  Why?

Question #2:  I am running diald.  Periodically, the following messages
appear in /var/log/messages:

kernel: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
kernel: tty02 at 0x03e8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
kernel: tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A

and the IRQs for cua2 and cua3 are changed from 2 and 5 back to 4 and
3!  Any ideas?

thanks,

Steven Gaarder Network and Systems Administrator
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Re: Newbie Question

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Wayne Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I have very basic questions...

Get an introduction to Unix at any good bookstore when you have a chance.
It will help a lot. That system is pretty deep.

 I used dpkg --install  gnuchess.deb because I am still trying to figure
 out what dselect does and how it works) .

If you can FTP the file
ftp://oak.scotch.wa.edu.au/pub/dselect.beginner.2.gz (use binary mode
if your FTP has one), put it on your system and use zmore to look at it.

 The attributes show them to be -rwxr-xr-x  (whatever that means)

The x means executable. You can probably type /usr/games/gnuchess and
get something to happen.

 Is this typical with other packages?  For example, I have also
 downloaded the ppp.deb package and installed it but where in the world
 did it put the executable files so that I can run it.

For any command, type man command-name, info command-name, and
go look in /usr/doc/command-name . zmore will view those .gz files.
If man command-name doesn't tell you anything, try man -k command-name
to see if that suggests the name of an appropriate man page.

PPP put configuration files in /etc/ppp, and man pppd (that's the
PPP server, or daemon) will tell you about them.

Thanks

Bruce
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Re: Got unusable memory address 0x400cd008 (and libtermcap)

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
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 Would there be in simple reason, why the binary works in RedHat, but not
 in Debian?

If you have upgraded libc to 5.4.7, try this:

LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5
export LD_PRELOAD

or if you use csh or tcsh:

setenv LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5

If that fixes the problem, there's a malloc bug in the program and the
new allocator we're using makes the bug show up instead of being silent.

Bruce
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Win NT OS loader

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Jackson
Go to http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~sedmison/diretboot.html and read how to do
it.  I followed the instructions and got it to work with Debian, NT and 95.
No problems so far.

Bruce Jackson



Re: X is painful

1996-11-21 Thread Craig Sanders

On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Bill Bumgarner wrote:

 Maybe I'm just spoiled by years of NEXTSTEP-- but, damnit, NEXTSTEP
 really is the most well-inntegrated user inrface *ever* built.
 Seriously.

i suppose that's a matter of personal preference.

I have to work with nextstep machines and can't stand it. it's bloated
and it's horribly slow and i can't customise it anywhere near as much as
i can X  fvwm (and fvwm derivatives).

I especially don't like the dock stealing an inch or so down the entire
right-hand side of my screen. I much prefer clicking on the root window
and getting a menu up: left-click for a launch menu, middle-click
for window operations, and right-click for list of open windows.
Functionality when i need it *WITHOUT* cluttering up my screen with crap
i dont need all the time.

I also intensely dislike next-style menus. I want menus inside the
application window, not cluttering up the top left hand corner of my
screen.

I am also far from impressed by nextstep's lack of stability - damnit,
unix boxes are *supposed to* stay up for months, not crash randomly for
no apparent reason. It's also extremely fussy about what hardware it
will run on - a big problem when motherboard models change every few
months and it's almost impossible now to get the old pentium boards
which nextstep will run on...newer HX  VX boards either crash randomly
or dont work at all. the latest compatibility problem is the adaptec
2940 driver. cant get the old 2940 cards any more...can only get 2940-AU
cards. The driver notes for NS say that it works on 2940-AU cards. In
practice it doesn't work at all...fails at install time with a message
about can't get config space.

(note, i've only really worked with intel version of nextstep, so can
make no comment on stability of versions for other architectures except
that black box next stations are slow by today's standards)

All in all, my opinion of nextstep (as a user interface AND as a unix)
can be accurately summed up as it was fabulous for 1988however it's
1996 now. Another summary: i'd rather use linux.

A good user interface should be layered on top of a stable, reliable
operating systemit shouldn't become an excuse for not creating that
stability. Functionality  stability come first. Prettiness second.


I guess you like what you get used to. 

Craig

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Where is Netscape package?

1996-11-21 Thread Mark Phillips

I have been looking for the netscape package under rex but can't find
it.  Where is it?

Thanks,

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Re: csh * expantion problem

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
If you really want to echo an asterisk, use:

echo '*'

If you want to echo the list of files in the current directory, use:

echo *

If the current directory is empty, you will get the no match message.
Is that what is happening?

Bruce
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cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
body.  Any idea?

Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
X-Cron-Env:
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root

getopt: illegal option -- o

lawrence,

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Re: Emacs and tcsh

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
Oh, now I have a guess at what is going wrong. Invoke unset noglob and
see if the csh problem gets better. Then you'll have to figure out what
is setting it. It is generally set while running tset because the
termcap strings sometimes contain shell metacharacters.

Bruce
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Re: Dselect docs for beginners

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Ian Jackson wrote:

 I don't know whether it's really necessary to advise people not to
 select any large packages at this stage.  Everything ought to work
 reasonably well if they just select what they want.

Unfortunately, it doesn't.  I took a 1.1.4 CD release, followed the
instructions through first boot/password/adduser/dselect.  With my
Slackware mindset, I selected everything that I thought would be useful,
not knowing how easy it is to add later.  

Halfway through the install, packages started failing.  Required packages
didn't install.  Needless to say, it was a mess.

I reformatted, and started over.  I only installed the preselected stuff,
and it went well.  Re-ran dselect, selected all the stuff from before, and
it went smoothly.  I guess that there was a pre-dependency problem
involved.

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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Buddha M Buck
 
 
 I am unable to use my Debian Linux system after the major update I did
 on Tuesday.
 
 WHAT HAPPENED: I used dselect in an xterm window under XFree to update the
 system after an idle period of 1 week. I update from stable, unstable,
 contrib, and nonfree. I allowed one of the installers to shut down xdm,
 which led to a reboot. I finished the installation by starting dselect again
 from an Xless console. The next reboot led to a login prompt on a non-X
 console screen, flashing and ignoring all input, except for CTL-ALT-DEL
 which led to another reboot ending in the same state.
 
 WHAT I THINK IS WRONG: I think that my configuration of xdm is broken. The
 last two outputs from the boot process, before the login prompt and the
 flashing, are an indication that xdm is starting, and an indication that the
 nas, which started earlier, has failed. The nas problem has been with me for
 weeks, presumably has to do with a misconfigured SoundBlaster, and has never
 before affected my ability to run X silently. Besides the install script
 that shut down xdm for some change, I accidentally allowed another install
 script to change the default X server (I had intended to experiment with
 several X servers before deciding whether to change the default). One way or
 another, I suspect that xdm is looping infinitely on a failed attempt to
 start up X. I experienced similar behavior in an earlier incarnation, when X
 failed due to lack of the right mouse driver, but in that case I saw some
 failed attempts at driving the video in color, and now I see only on/off
 flashing.
 
 WHAT I THINK I NEED: I think that I need to boot the system in single-user
 mode, or otherwise avoid starting up xdm, so that I can seek out the bad
 configuration files and fix them. I have *only* Debian Linux on the system,
 and I start it with LILO. I have been able to run several versions of the
 kernel from LILO, including a very primitive one which I keep on a diskette
 for emergencies. They all lead to the same behavior. Probably, there is an
 appropriate option to give LILO, and it's probably mentioned in the online
 documentation which I am now unable to read :^{ (I hope that this emoticon
 portrays embarassment). In the past, I have used CTL-ALT-F1 to bring up a
 single-user state, but I have been getting no useful response to this
 signal, although it resets the phase of the flashing, so something is
 evidently reading and ignoring it.
 
 I'll be grateful for all suggestions. Useful ones will help me, and useless
 ones will at least distract me from despair for a while :^)
 
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RE: Laptop and PCMCIA

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
I'm trying slowy to get my whole office over to Debian g, and
the next machine I'm going to tackle is the TI-Extensa 560CD laptop.

I installed it on an Extensa 570CDT (except for X); no problems with the
base installation.  The CD-ROM is a standard ATAPI on /dev/hdb.  The fact
that there is a reboot involved between the last floppy disk and the first
CD usage made it quite simple (as the CD and FDD share one bay).

The fun started when I tried to get networking started.  The PCMCIA
package installed just fine, except that Debian tries to set up networking
BEFORE Card Services is installed.  I moved Card Services into
/etc/init.d/boot before the network is initialized, and added a 'sleep'
command that was just long enough to allow the Ethernet card (in slot A)
to initialize.

I suppose that moving Card Services into the 'networking' script is the
proper approach, but the bottom line was that it worked.

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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Mike O'Donnell wrote:

 WHAT I THINK I NEED: I think that I need to boot the system in single-user
 mode, or otherwise avoid starting up xdm, so that I can seek out the bad
 configuration files and fix them.

While many users (self included) have some negative feelings about
Slackware, there is one tool that is quite useful.

Create the appropriate boot disk, and the rescue root disk.

With them, you will have a reasonably complete set of tools for fixing
problems such as these.

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Re: X is painful

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

 On a sidebar, has anyone noticed that all of Jobs's companies have 
 had good UIs. Apple, Next, 

But they still operate under the assumption that the user has three hands.
Or at least a prehensile, well, never mind...

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Re: Floppy management?

1996-11-21 Thread Rob Browning
Jean Orloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 1) How to prevent a user to prematurely eject a disk before sync is
 over?  Mounting with the sync option is not enough: that's the way I
 do it, and still the fd light goes off before the file is truly
 written to disk (and umount or sync gets it on again).

You can't.  If we had Mac style drives that had to be asked to eject
the disk, you could have some protection.  This falls under the
category of just don't do that.  No choice, given the hardware.

BTW, there's a program out there somewhere called DevAlloc that might
interest you.  I think the model is that you can let a group of users
have the right to allocate some device for their exclusive use for
some period of time (I think it's partially done with chown).  So a
user could do something like:

  allocate /dev/floppy
  do stuff with the floppy if this succeeds
  deallocate /dev/floppy

I haven't actually looked at the program, so I can't say how it works,
or even how well.  I could imagine that something like this could be
extremely useful now that things like Zip drives (or even cdroms) are
really cheap.

I actually had to write a pair of scripts that let a group of users
(via sudo) exclusively mount and unmount a zip drive, and optionally
remap users and groups on the zip disk on mount (and remember and
unmap them on unmount) so that if you have different uids at home and
in the lab, you still get the same results both places.

(or perhaps there's some better mechanism we already have that I just
don't know about.)

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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Buddha M Buck
 
 
 I am unable to use my Debian Linux system after the major update I did
 on Tuesday.
 
 WHAT HAPPENED: I used dselect in an xterm window under XFree to update the
 system after an idle period of 1 week. I update from stable, unstable,
 contrib, and nonfree. I allowed one of the installers to shut down xdm,
 which led to a reboot. I finished the installation by starting dselect again
 from an Xless console. The next reboot led to a login prompt on a non-X
 console screen, flashing and ignoring all input, except for CTL-ALT-DEL
 which led to another reboot ending in the same state.

Something similar happened to me.  I figured out what was wrong in my
case, which was similar.

In my case, because I knew that xbase required restarting X, I
intentionally stopped X before doing the install.

I also ran the new XF86Setup program, and configured it for my card, a
Cirrus 5426-based VLB video card.  XF86Setup decided that probing my
dot clocks and adding a clocks line to the XF86Config file would be
a good thing.  My video card doesn't need a clocks line, and in fact,
the X server won't run with it.

So at reboot, xdm starts up.  It runs the X server, which finds the
problem with the configuration, and exits.  So xdm starts it again.
It exits, and repeat.

I basically dealt with it by careful typing... (flash) r (blank)
(flash) o (blank) (flash) o (blank) (flash) t (blank) (flash) enter
(blank) (flash) and so on.  It took me several attempts before I was
able to time -all- the needed keypresses in my password correctly
(that'll teach me to use a 11-character root password).  But then I
was able to kill xdm, start X manually (and thus discover the
problem), and fix.

What happens is that while the VC is on the login prompt, it is
listening to the keyboard, but when X takes over, it switches the VC.
WHen I was able to finally kill it, the other VC contained all of my
mistimed keystrokes.

 
 WHAT I THINK IS WRONG: I think that my configuration of xdm is broken. The
 last two outputs from the boot process, before the login prompt and the
 flashing, are an indication that xdm is starting, and an indication that the
 nas, which started earlier, has failed.

It is probably true that it is a misconfigured X server.  That is
exactly what I saw causing my similar problems.

 
 WHAT I THINK I NEED: I think that I need to boot the system in single-user
 mode, or otherwise avoid starting up xdm, so that I can seek out the bad
 configuration files and fix them. 

This will work, but I was also very surprised that when upgrading X on
my system, the install scripts decided that starting XDM for me was
good.  Even though I was in single-user mode.

 I have *only* Debian Linux on the system,
 and I start it with LILO. I have been able to run several versions of the
 kernel from LILO, including a very primitive one which I keep on a diskette
 for emergencies. They all lead to the same behavior. Probably, there is an
 appropriate option to give LILO, and it's probably mentioned in the online
 documentation which I am now unable to read :^{ (I hope that this emoticon
 portrays embarassment). In the past, I have used CTL-ALT-F1 to bring up a
 single-user state, but I have been getting no useful response to this
 signal, although it resets the phase of the flashing, so something is
 evidently reading and ignoring it.

When starting with LILO, hit the shift key to get a boot: prompt, then
type linux emergency, which will start it in single user mode.  

Or try timing your keystrokes, like I did.  (My system has a long
uptime I didn't want to ruin even when upgrading).

 
 I'll be grateful for all suggestions. Useful ones will help me, and useless
 ones will at least distract me from despair for a while :^)
 
 Mike O'Donnell
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 http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~odonnell
 
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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Rob Browning
Mike O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 WHAT I THINK IS WRONG: I think that my configuration of xdm is
 broken.

OK, I think I can help as I got myself in a very similar situation a
couple of times.  This is probably not an xdm problem, but an X
problem.  Most likely, in the course of upgrading, you did something
that left you with an X server that's not configured properly, or with
xdm pointing to an invalid X server.  So what you're seeing is xdm
repeatedly launching an X server that fails, or trying to launch a
non-existent server.  The best way to avoid this in the future is to
not reenable xdm (via rebooting) until you have tested that running
the X that xdm points to in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers succeeds after your
upgrade xbase xdm, or other relevant X packages (Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
will kill X for you if it does run).

Now, how to solve your problem.  You're running lilo, good.  I think
you can just hold down the shift key at boot (unfortunately on my
machine I have to actually press it repeatedly just as lilo gets
started; holding it down doesn't seem to work), and when you get the
lilo: prompt, type linux single.  This will boot linux in single
user mode, without launching X (I hope), and you'll be able to check
things out and fix the problem.  Check that /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers
points to a real server, and check that running this server directly
works.  The problem will hopefully be obvious at this point.

Good luck, and I hope that's it.
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Re: Serial port IRQ strangeness

1996-11-21 Thread Esa Turtiainen

Hi,

You are trusting that kerneld will load the module serial.
However, this will happen just when kerneld is running,
but it is just later in the boot sequence.

Your system, just like mine, requires setserial for ttyS2
and ttyS3 to use the right interrupts.

Compile a kernel with serial built in.

Esa

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Steve Gaarder wrote:

 I have a Debian 1.1 machine with 4 serial ports, each on its own IRQ.
 I edited /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to configure the appropriate IRQs.
 
 Question #1:  At boot, when /etc/rc.boot/0setserial runs, it complains
 no such device for each of the devices.  If I do the setserial as 
 /etc/rc2.d/S14setserial (after ), it works.  Why?
 
 Question #2:  I am running diald.  Periodically, the following messages
 appear in /var/log/messages:
 
 kernel: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
 kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
 kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
 kernel: tty02 at 0x03e8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
 kernel: tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
 
 and the IRQs for cua2 and cua3 are changed from 2 and 5 back to 4 and
 3!  Any ideas?
 
 thanks,
 
 Steven Gaarder Network and Systems Administrator
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  C-MOLD, Ithaca, N.Y., USA
 
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Re: hard disk recommendation

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
Paul Christenson wrote:
 
 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
 
  On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote:
 
   In an attempt to avoid a war, I'll simply say that Silicon Graphics is
   using IBM SCSI drives exclusively.  Given the nature of their products, I
 
  I am afraid you're wrong. I saw Seagate drives (in older stations) and,
  more recently, Quantum drives in High Impacts.
 
 SGI used to use Seagate exclusively (up to a year or so ago), but then
 they started getting customer complaints on the drives failing.  They did
 go to Quantum for a short period, but they found that the Quantum drives
 have a nasty habit of recalibrating themselves from time to time, which
 makes the drives unavailable for a second or so, which really causes a
 performance hit on these machines.  Quantum was unwilling to rewrite the
 firmware on their drives, so testing continued.  IBM drives are the only
 ones that currently meet SGI specs.
 
 This was from a conversation with an SGI tech about three weeks ago.

Which Seagate/Quantum drive was using and which IBM drive is using by
SGI?

lawrence,

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bo is full of symlinks to rex?

1996-11-21 Thread Rick Macdonald
Prior to the freezing of rex, unstable (rex) contained all of the
physical files of the distribution.

Now, unstable is bo, and it has many links back to rex.

At what point will bo loose the links to rex and be self-contained
again?

When the change occured, my mirror of unstable lost a bunch of files.
Now I have to get both rex and bo. I think I can continually mirror
unstable only, by careful use of the following option in mirror, but
I haven't actually tried this yet:

 If the remote site contains symlinks that you want to flat-
 ten  out  into  the  corresponding  files,  then do this by
 changing the flags passed to the remote ls:
  flags_recursive+L
 or
  flags_nonrecursive+L

 First test this by trying a ls -lRatL  on  the  remote  site
 under the ftp command to check whether the remote file-store
 has any symlink loops.

Anybody got a better method to mirror only the unstable tree
efficiently?

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Re: Win NT OS loader

1996-11-21 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
At 23:35 19-11-96 -0500, Bruce Jackson wrote:
Go to http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~sedmison/diretboot.html and read how to do
it.  I followed the instructions and got it to work with Debian, NT and 95.
No problems so far.

Bruce Jackson


Let me correct that. You forgot a letter. The correct name is
http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~sedmison/directboot.html

Remco

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Re: Invitation for testers of frozen distribution

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Michael Nonweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 No, 'fraid not. [no fix for  2GB fdisk problem yet]

Actually, the boot-floppies package I uploaded this morning has a fix
for the fdisk problem with disks over 2GB. I'll call for testers of
the boot disk once I upload that. I just hacked generate_library to
always include llseek if the library defines it - that should fix it.

Bruce
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Re: Serial port IRQ strangeness

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
Put serial in /etc/modules . The problem will get better.
Kerneld is not starting before 0setserial.

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where is 'gv'?

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
where is 'gv'?  It used to be in rex but disppear recently.


lawrence,

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Re: How can I dial out on ttyS?

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, CoB SysAdmin wrote:

 I'm trying to get an e-mail-alpha-pager thing working. Everything is
 working except the fact that I don't have permissions to use /dev/ttyS1

 When I send mail to, say, jdoe, I have /usr/bin/filter pick it up and
 execute the pager script, and it fails claiming it doesn't have permission.

 So, I added jdoe to the uucp group (which is the group owner of the ttyS's).

 Now, when I su to jdoe and send a page, the page goes through.
 When I send e-mail to jdoe, it still fails with a permission thing.

The problem is that user 'jdoe' is not who runs the pager process.  My bet
is that it's user 'mail' that is trying to send the page, who does not
have the proper permissions.

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Re: hard disk recommendation

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:

 Which Seagate/Quantum drive was using and which IBM drive is using by
 SGI?

I don't have that info.  You'd have to ask SGI.

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
Rick Macdonald wrote:
 
 Lawrence Chim wrote:
 
  I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
  body.  Any idea?
 
  Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
  X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
  X-Cron-Env:
  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
  X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
  X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root
 
  getopt: illegal option -- o
 
 You might want to post the file /etc/cron.daily so we can see
 what the problem is.

Here is the files in /etc/cron.daily.  Sorry if it is too many.

lawrence,
#! /bin/sh
#
# cron script to rotate process accounting file.
#
# Written by Ian A. Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED]

cd /var/account
savelog -g adm -m 644 -u root -c 7 /var/account/pacct /dev/null
accton 2/dev/null
accton /var/account/pacct 2/dev/null
#
# This is needed because accton.c returns errno
exit 0
#! /bin/sh
#
# apacheRotate the apache logsfiles daily.
#

[ -d /var/log/apache/. ] || exit 0
umask 022

# Take care of the standard logfiles.
cd /var/log/apache
if [ -f access.log ]
then
  savelog -c 7 access.log  /dev/null
fi
if [ -f error.log ]
then
  savelog -c 7 error.log  /dev/null
fi

# Send a reload signal to the apache server.
if [ -f /var/run/apache/apache.pid ]
then
  kill -1 `cat /var/run/apache/apache.pid` 2/dev/null
fi

#!/bin/sh
#
# This housekeeping shell script is installed as /etc/cron.daily/dwww.
# Cron automatically runs it once a day.
#
# This script re-builds the dwww web pages, and removes old documents
# from the cache that have not been accessed for some number of days.
# The number of days should be configured by setting the DWWW_KEEPDAYS
# variable in /etc/default/dwww.  The value set in this script is a
# default; don't modify it, or an upgrade will wipe out your modification.

DWWW_KEEPDAYS=10
DWWW_QUICKFIND_DB=/var/lib/dwww/quickfind.dat
if test -r /etc/dwww.conf
then
. /etc/dwww.conf
fi

dwww-build --default /dev/null
find /var/lib/dpkg/info -name '*.list' |
dwww-quickfind --build $DWWW_QUICKFIND_DB.new
mv -f $DWWW_QUICKFIND_DB.new $DWWW_QUICKFIND_DB
find /var/spool/dwww -atime +$DWWW_KEEPDAYS -name '[^.]*' \
-maxdepth 1 -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f
dwww-cache --clean
#! /bin/sh
#
# cron script to update the `find.codes' database.
#
# Written by Ian A. Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED].

su nobody -c cd /  updatedb 2/dev/null
#!/bin/sh
#
# $Id: cron.daily,v 1.4 1996/02/17 16:09:20 alvar Exp $
#

# expunge old catman pages which have not been read in a week
/usr/bin/nice find /var/catman -type f -name '*.gz' -atime +7 -print | xargs rm 
-f

# expunge old catman pages which are older than one month
/usr/bin/nice find /var/catman -type f -name '*.gz' -mtime +30 -print | xargs 
rm -f

exit 0
#!/bin/sh

cd /var/log/mgetty
for LOG in mg_*log; do
   if [ -f $LOG ]; then
  savelog -g adm -m 644 -u root -c 7 $LOG /dev/null
   fi
done
#!/bin/sh
# /etc/cron.daily/net-acct: nacctd daily maintenance script
# 
# Created Thu Jul 18 21:41:26 MET DST 1996 Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#
# See /usr/doc/net-acct/ for informations
#
test -d /var/log/net-acct || exit 0;
test -r /etc/naccttab || exit 0;

cd /var/log/net-acct
umask 022

# Stop writing out entries
kill -TSTP `cat /var/run/nacctd.pid`

# cycle logfiles (keep the last 14)
savelog -g root -m 644 -u root -c 14 net-acct.log /dev/null

# save the last debug file, for inforation only. nacctd never closes this
# file, dont delete.
# yes, here is a race, but we dont need that data, anyway
cp net-acct.debug net-acct.debug.0
date  net-acct.debug

# Start writing out entries again
kill -CONT `cat /var/run/nacctd.pid`

exit 0
#!/bin/sh
# /etc/cron.daily/netbase: netbase daily maintenance script
# Written by Peter Tobias [EMAIL PROTECTED]

bak=/var/backups

umask 022
if cd $bak
then
cmp -s inetd.conf.bak /etc/inetd.conf || cp -p /etc/inetd.conf 
inetd.conf.bak
fi

#!/bin/sh

if [ -f /var/log/ppp.log ]; then
savelog -g adm -m 644 -u root -c 4 /var/log/ppp.log /dev/null
/etc/init.d/sysklogd reload
fi
#!/bin/sh
# Run the Smail error checking script and rotate the logfiles.
# We have to rotate the logs as root as otherwise we can't fix the
# timestamps, and so we might as well add the checkerr script here
# too.
test -f /usr/sbin/smail || exit 0
cd /tmp
su mail -c /usr/lib/smail/checkerr

set -e
cd /var/log/smail
savelog -o root -g mail -m 644 -c 7 logfile paniclog /dev/null
#!/bin/sh
# /etc/cron.daily/standard: standard daily maintenance script
# Written by Ian A. Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Modified by Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Modified by Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

bak=/var/backups

# The following three find commands are commented out do to the
# severe, easily exploited security hole introduced by 'find . _stuff_
# | xargs rm' style commands. Changing it to '-exec rm {}' doesn't
# help. If you need a program to prune back your tmp directories, try
# filereaper, also a Debian package.

# if [ -d /tmp -a ! -L /tmp ]  cd /tmp
# 

Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Buddha M Buck wrote:

 (that'll teach me to use a 11-character root password). 

Unless you changed your system, only the first 8 have any significance.
(Part of the shadow password suite allows extended length passwords.)

i.e.
'oneverylongpassword' == 'oneveryl'

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RE: Laptop and PCMCIA

1996-11-21 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote:

 I'm trying slowy to get my whole office over to Debian g, and
 the next machine I'm going to tackle is the TI-Extensa 560CD laptop.
 
 I installed it on an Extensa 570CDT (except for X); no problems with the
 base installation.  The CD-ROM is a standard ATAPI on /dev/hdb.  The fact
 that there is a reboot involved between the last floppy disk and the first
 CD usage made it quite simple (as the CD and FDD share one bay).
 
 The fun started when I tried to get networking started.  The PCMCIA
 package installed just fine, except that Debian tries to set up networking
 BEFORE Card Services is installed.  I moved Card Services into
 /etc/init.d/boot before the network is initialized, and added a 'sleep'
 command that was just long enough to allow the Ethernet card (in slot A)
 to initialize.
 
 I suppose that moving Card Services into the 'networking' script is the
 proper approach, but the bottom line was that it worked.
 

I had the same problem.  I posted an message to the list a while
ago on it, but it may have been missed.  When first installing
or configuring Debian, you get asked if you are connected to a
network (or something similar).  You should say no there.  This
is buried in the pcmcia package docs.  Let the pcmcia script in
init.d configure the network for you.  You should put the
information you normally keep in /etc/init.d/network in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts.  You can just remove the entries from
your /etc/network file and put them in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts
now and reboot the system to get it going.  

The latest pcmcia card services package does not contain support
for the Xircom card you mentioned.  I had that card and had to
switch it.  Xircom has changed its non-disclosure policy a bit,
so there may be support in a future release, but not yet.  There
is a _lot_ of information on linux on laptops available on the web.
Do a search on those keywords.  You can also follow links from
RedHat's web site to the Linux Laptop Home Page.  It has working
configurations for a slew of specific laptop models,
commentaries, technical links, etc.  

Very informative.

Good luck.

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Mouse troubles

1996-11-21 Thread Tony Finch
I have a Logitech Pilot mouse which is giving me some trouble: the
middle doesn't work correctly. Using xev it appears that at the mose
is dragged with the middle button down, it bounces continuously. Using
mev the button gives both up and down events at the start and the end
of the drag and pretends not to be pressed in between.

Also mc doesn't understand the mouse properly in the console or in X.
(Do I have to explicitly tell emacs to do mouse things in the
console?)

Tony.

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can't yp_bind: Reason: RPC failure

1996-11-21 Thread David F. Phillips
When I start up NIS, 'ypwhich' gets:

can't yp_bind: Reason: RPC failure

and 'ypcat passwd' gets:

YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: No bound server for domain lcinc.com
No such map passwd.byname. Reason: Can't bind to server which serves this
domain

domainname is set correctly from /etc/defaultdomain, and at one point
it actually created maps in /var/yp, but n longer.  What am I missing
here?

Thanks

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Re: How can I dial out on ttyS?

1996-11-21 Thread Joe Emenaker
 
 The problem is that user 'jdoe' is not who runs the pager process.  My bet
 is that it's user 'mail' that is trying to send the page, who does not
 have the proper permissions.

Well, the pager process is spawned by filter, which was spawned from
the user's .forward. So it would be a bad thing(tm) for it to run as any
user *except* the user.

Besides, I even checked. I did:
(whoami; $HOME/pagemail.pl 5551212 test message)  $HOME/out

and out then contains:

  jdoe
  Running pager process...
  ERROR: No permission to open /dev/ttyS1!!!
  dying

- Joe

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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Guy Maor
Mike O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 WHAT I THINK I NEED: I think that I need to boot the system in single-user
 mode

To reboot in single user mode, pass the `single' flag to LILO.  (For
example, if your image is called linux, type linux single).

To reboot in emergency mode, pass the `emergency' flag.

Single user mode is run level 1, where practically nothing is running.
Emergency mode is even more basic - nothing is even mounted.  The
above flags are documented in init(8).

Rebooting in single user mode is the easiest way to fix your xdm
problem, as xdm only starts in level 2.  Going to emergency mode is
hardly ever needed.


Guy

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Re: bo is full of symlinks to rex?

1996-11-21 Thread Guy Maor
Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Prior to the freezing of rex, unstable (rex) contained all of the
 physical files of the distribution.
 
 Now, unstable is bo, and it has many links back to rex.
 
 At what point will bo loose the links to rex and be self-contained
 again?

Not until bo becomes stable.  I know this setup is nonideal for people
who only mirror unstable, but most do mirror the whole distribution.
It's rude to have hundreds of megs of duplicate files.  bo has ~100
meg of unique files right now, most of which is XFree 3.2.

Can you suggest a better solution?

 When the change occured, my mirror of unstable lost a bunch of files.
 Now I have to get both rex and bo. I think I can continually mirror
 unstable only, by careful use of the following option in mirror, but
 I haven't actually tried this yet:

That sounds like it work, assuming that symlinked directories aren't
flattened.  Otherwise you'll have to filter out the symlinked
directories.


Guy

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Re: bo is full of symlinks to rex?

1996-11-21 Thread David Engel
Rick Macdonald writes:
 When the change occured, my mirror of unstable lost a bunch of files.
 Now I have to get both rex and bo. I think I can continually mirror
 unstable only, by careful use of the following option in mirror, but
 I haven't actually tried this yet:
 [description of flags_[no]recursive+L option deleted]
 Anybody got a better method to mirror only the unstable tree
 efficiently?

This is exactly what I do to mirror just unstable.  It works fine.

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Re: bo is full of symlinks to rex?

1996-11-21 Thread Rob Browning
Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  changing the flags passed to the remote ls:
   flags_recursive+L
  or
   flags_nonrecursive+L
 
  First test this by trying a ls -lRatL  on  the  remote  site
  under the ftp command to check whether the remote file-store
  has any symlink loops.
 
 Anybody got a better method to mirror only the unstable tree
 efficiently?

Nope, this is what I use, and it seems to work.

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Re: Crack and cops

1996-11-21 Thread Fabien Ninoles
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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, CoB [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Emenaker) wrote:

 
 I didn't notice crack or cops listed in the Debian 1.1 package listing.
 
 I ftp'd crack and had trouble compiling it, discovered many others did, too;
 found the glitch and fixed it.
 
 So, it brings me to an interesting question: Is there a reason why cops
 and crack aren't in a package yet, other than possibly not having a
 maintainer? I figured that people might not like making a package like
 crack quite so plug-n-play, lest the baddie baddies get wind of it.

qcrack is already in debian 1.2 (rex frozen), works well and has a
good dictionnary.

 
 If the only impediment is that they need a maintainer, what do I need to
 do to enlist? (Probably check the FAQ first, huh? Duh!)
 

Well, the FAQ about maintenance need was post lately... did you want a
copy? :)


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1996-11-21 Thread Steven Thomas Christy
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Re: Windows NTFS 4 Partitions

1996-11-21 Thread Fabien Ninoles
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Fingers wrote:

 Does anybody know if its possible to mount a Windows NT NTFS 4 
 partition on your Linux drive, baring in mind its on the same machine 
 so i can't use samba.
 
 Chris.
 Fingers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

Looks in the /project/experimental section of ftp.debian.org
they're a still very alpha ntfs support... but remember that you would
have a big leak of security with that and that ntfs aren't supposed to
be mounted by anything else than NT (Although their are some good TSR
for DOS in the Shareware market).

For better security than NT, use cfs (same directory) :)

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Shane Turner
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:

 I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
 body.  Any idea?
 
 Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
 X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
 X-Cron-Env:
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
 X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root
 
 getopt: illegal option -- o
 
 lawrence,

I just had the same problem the other day.

The problem is in the script /etc/cron.daily/smail.
The line
savelog -o root ...
should be
savelog -u root ...

I think there might even be a man page for savelog.

Fix that and your error message will go away.

Ciao,
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PnP in kernel?

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
Just courius why the PnP is not part of the kernel and I have to
patch the kernel everytime I upgrade the kernel.

lawrence,

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:

 Rick Macdonald wrote:
  
  Lawrence Chim wrote:
  
   I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
   body.  Any idea?
  
   Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
   getopt: illegal option -- o
  
  You might want to post the file /etc/cron.daily so we can see
  what the problem is.
 
 Here is the files in /etc/cron.daily.  Sorry if it is too many.

The man page for savelog doesn't show any -o. My script has
-u root, not -o root.

Here's yours:

set -e
cd /var/log/smail
savelog -o root -g mail -m 644 -c 7 logfile paniclog /dev/null


...RickM...

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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
to boot in single-user mode, add the word single or the word emergency
to the end of the boot command line. It should look like this:

boot: linux emergency

single boots single-user with all daemons running. emergency just runs
the shell.

Paul,

I have just obsoleted that Slackware rescue disk. The next boot floppies
package has a one floppy combined installation root/boot disk that contains
fsck and other rescue tools.

Bruce
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Re: PnP in kernel?

1996-11-21 Thread Bruce Perens
We generally distribute Linus' sources. When he accepts the PnP patch into
the main source thread you'd see it here. Perhaps he's already done that
for 2.1 .

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
Rick Macdonald wrote:
 
 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Lawrence Chim wrote:
 
  Rick Macdonald wrote:
  
   Lawrence Chim wrote:
   
I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
body.  Any idea?
   
Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
getopt: illegal option -- o
  
   You might want to post the file /etc/cron.daily so we can see
   what the problem is.
 
  Here is the files in /etc/cron.daily.  Sorry if it is too many.
 
 The man page for savelog doesn't show any -o. My script has
 -u root, not -o root.
 
 Here's yours:
 
 set -e
 cd /var/log/smail
 savelog -o root -g mail -m 644 -c 7 logfile paniclog /dev/null
 

I am surprised to know that because I never touch the cron script
and it was installed by the cron package by default I think.

lawrence,

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Andy Guy
Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 [1  text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)]
 Rick Macdonald wrote:
  
  Lawrence Chim wrote:
  
   I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
   body.  Any idea?
  
   Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
   X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
   X-Cron-Env:
   PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
   X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
   X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root
  
   getopt: illegal option -- o
  
  You might want to post the file /etc/cron.daily so we can see
  what the problem is.
 
 Here is the files in /etc/cron.daily.  Sorry if it is too many.
 
 [11 smail text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)]
 #!/bin/sh
 # Run the Smail error checking script and rotate the logfiles.
 # We have to rotate the logs as root as otherwise we can't fix the
 # timestamps, and so we might as well add the checkerr script here
 # too.
 test -f /usr/sbin/smail || exit 0
 cd /tmp
 su mail -c /usr/lib/smail/checkerr
 
 set -e
 cd /var/log/smail
 savelog -o root -g mail -m 644 -c 7 logfile paniclog /dev/null
  ^^
this is the culprit, change the -o to -u.  I think it has already been
reported as a bug against smail.  Also look in /var/log/smail and
remove the droppings.

Andy.

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Re: Crack and cops

1996-11-21 Thread Patrick J. Edwards
On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, CoB SysAdmin wrote:

 
 I didn't notice crack or cops listed in the Debian 1.1 package listing.
Both packages would be more than welcome to Debian. However, COPS
would be more important since Debian 1.2 has qcrack (a high speed version of
crack using hashing files). Currently, COPS and Crack are in my to-do list
of packages to Debianize but if you feel a urgent need for them go ahead to
package them.
 
 I ftp'd crack and had trouble compiling it, discovered many others did, too;
 found the glitch and fixed it.
Yes, Crack is a pain but easily fixed.

 So, it brings me to an interesting question: Is there a reason why cops
 and crack aren't in a package yet, other than possibly not having a
 maintainer? I figured that people might not like making a package like
 crack quite so plug-n-play, lest the baddie baddies get wind of it.
It not a matter of Debian/Linux not accepting them, it matter of
time. Most package developers aren't paid for their time, so it takes awhile
for packages such as COPS and Crack to get packaged.

 If the only impediment is that they need a maintainer, what do I need to
 do to enlist? (Probably check the FAQ first, huh? Duh!)
You got it! :) And good luck should you take on this job COPS is
going to be a major pain in the *ss to debianize (in my opinion). Let me
know if you decide to take on either package so we don't duplicate our
efforts.

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Re: hard disk recommendation

1996-11-21 Thread Marc A. Volovic
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote:

 firmware on their drives, so testing continued.  IBM drives are the only
 ones that currently meet SGI specs.
 
 This was from a conversation with an SGI tech about three weeks ago.

Thanks for the correction. Not that it helped a whole lot, by the way, 
after the infamous patch 466 disaster with IBM Ultrastars.

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laptop, ethernet and networking

1996-11-21 Thread Karsten Bolding

I'm an amateur trying to configure a newly bought laptop to be connected to a 
net using a 3COM 3C589C card. The following is part of the boot message

FDC 0 is an 8272A
NCR53c406a: no available ports found
eata_dma: No BIOS32 extensions present. This driver release still 
depends on it.
Skipping scan for PCI HBAs. 
qlogicisp : PCI bios not present
PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.
Partition check:
hda: hda1 hda2 hda3
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Adding Swap: 29228k swap-space
Linux PCMCIA Card Services 2.8.22
Intel PCIC probe: 
Intel i82365sl B step at 0x3e0, 2 sockets
irq mask (scanned) = 0x9eb8, status change on irq 15
PCMCIA IO port probe: excluding 0x1f8-0x1ff 0x378-0x37f 0x3b8-0x3e7 
0x3f8-0x3ff
PCMCIA IO port probe: clean.
loading device 'eth0'...
eth0: 3Com 3c589, port 0x300, irq 3, 10baseT port,  00 60 97 40 B8 3F
Swansea University Computer Society IPX 0.34 for NET3.035

as far as I can see it there are no errors in the automatic detection of the 
card?

my /etc/hosts file looks like this:
127.0.0.1   localhost   wall
130.226.66.83   fm_lap1 dmi66083.dmi.min.dk

my /etc/resolv.conf looks like this:
nameserver  130.226.64.24
nameserver  130.226.64.25
domiain dmi.min.dk


then I run this (I guess it has to go in /etc/init.d/network later ?)

ifconfig eth0 fm_lap1 netmask 255.255.255.0

ifconfig reports eth0 is up 

route add -net 130.226.66.83

with this result

SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument

any help will be highly appreciated...

I have used the Linux Network Administration Guide to get so far..

Karsten Bolding

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Re: Serial port IRQ strangeness

1996-11-21 Thread Philippe Troin

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:20:14 +0200 Esa Turtiainen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
fi) wrote:

 
 Hi,
 
 You are trusting that kerneld will load the module serial.
 However, this will happen just when kerneld is running,
 but it is just later in the boot sequence.
 
 Compile a kernel with serial built in.

Or just add a line with just the word ``auto'' to /etc/modules :-)
Easier than rebuilding a kernel.

Phil.


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Re: Dselect docs for beginners

1996-11-21 Thread Lindsay Allen


On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Tim Sailer wrote:

 
 In the Access part, explain what the common cdrom devices are,
 what to do if you have problems with nfs (I have written up locally
 about the nfs.o problem, and have a ftpable copy), and offer
 a little more detail on the ftp method. Maybe point to some ftp
 sites. Are there any other public nfs sites?

I gave this some thought, but as I am documenting dselect rather that the
install process I have not gone into cdroms and the nfs problem will go
away with 1.2.  Maybe ftp should get a mention, but there again it is a
different layer from dselect.  I have not used it.

 
 Explain in detail what the 'EIOM' headings mean.

Done.

 explain the '=' option in case something is broken in a package
 and you can't get by it (as seen in the e2fsprogs in the past few weeks)

Done

At this point the document is 300 lines which is about as far as I can
stretch Bruce's request for a SHORT file.  Look on
ftp://oak.scotch.wa.edu.au/pub for dselect.beginner.3.gz.  Please report
errors.

Lindsay


As an aside here, why do messages from me to the list come up in my Pine
index (in the From column) as To:debian-user rather than as from Lindsay?

L



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How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
 Mike == Mike O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Mike I am unable to use my Debian Linux system after the major
Mike update I did on Tuesday.

Mike WHAT HAPPENED: I used dselect in an xterm window under XFree
Mike to update the system after an idle period of 1 week. I
Mike update from stable, unstable, contrib, and nonfree. I
Mike allowed one of the installers to shut down xdm, which led to
Mike a reboot. I finished the installation by starting dselect
Mike again from an Xless console. The next reboot led to a login
Mike prompt on a non-X console screen, flashing and ignoring all
Mike input, except for CTL-ALT-DEL which led to another reboot
Mike ending in the same state.

 I've seen this, usually right after a kernel compile when I had
forgotten to 'make modules_install' AND (cd /lib/modules;rm current;ln
-s 2.0.${NEW} current; depmod -a) and the lo device wasn't there... ?

 What happens is that X-Windows cannot get a connection to the
loopback device, I think.  The module hadn't been installed; I didn't
have it compiled into my kernel.

 X needs a socket to connect to; if it can't find one it bombs, and
xdm loops and tries to start it again.

 I suppose that another possiblility is that your X-server has become
misconfigured, and is not starting;  if it cannot find a mode that is
within the constraints of your video hardware, as set in XF86Config,
it won't start...  A missing file perhaps?

 Or, a ~/.xsession that launchs all of its files , so the script ends
and X finishes.  The last program run must be foreground, AFAIK.  (If
you use the Debian setup, and run your startup programs all from the
fvwm2 hooks, you don't need an .xsession file at all.

 See if there is a ~/.xsession-errors file, it may shed some light.

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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-21 Thread Martin Konold
On 20 Nov 1996, Arnt Gulbrandsen (Troll) wrote:

 As I said wrote earlier, the license doesn't limit distribution in any
 way which is particularly relevant to CD distribution.  Quoting:
 
   You may copy this version of the Qt toolkit provided that the
   entire archive is distributed unchanged and as a whole,
   including this notice.
 
 That's what applies to FTP archive administrators, and that's what
 applies to CD vendors.

Ok, I will forward this to the cdrom producers/Debian people.

Yours,
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Re: Got unusable memory address 0x400cd008 (and libtermcap)

1996-11-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Would there be in simple reason, why the binary works in RedHat, but not
  in Debian?
 
 If you have upgraded libc to 5.4.7, try this:
 
   LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5
   export LD_PRELOAD
 
 or if you use csh or tcsh:
 
   setenv LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5
 
 If that fixes the problem, there's a malloc bug in the program and the
 new allocator we're using makes the bug show up instead of being silent.
 
   Bruce
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Thank you. That makes the program work(?). I have informed the programmers of 
the origical source.
Apparently our single RedHat user does not update his system as often as I 
update our 10 Debian systems.


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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-21 Thread rac0043
You wrote:

 Which version of gs dou you use?

Version 3.33 it is not a debian package, I installed it manually.


 If I invoke the filter with /etc/filter.ps filetoprint.ps
 /dev/lp1 the printer prints.

 Ok. So for so good.
 If I do lpr filetoprint.ps nothing appear. If I do lpq it says lp
 is ready and is printing but it is not true.
 This doesn't say anything. But you do see any pending jobs in the
 queue? A la: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ~$lpq stylus is ready and printing Rank
 Owner Job Files Total Size active david 312 demo.c 180 bytes

There is the pending job. Lpc says queuing is enabled printing is  
enabled 1 entry in spool area etc



 PS: What was your success with magicfilter?

No success with magicfilter no with apsfilter


 PPS: Have you read the
 Printing-HOWTO?

Obviously.

I begin to suspect there is a cable problem, with windows95 and  
directly with postscript I can print, but when lpq says that lp is  
ready and printing I notice that the data led on my printer lights,  
and sometimes the printer loads a sheet of paper. I will try another  
printer cable. But the question is, what handshake the lpd do  
with the printer? I mean, what return value lpd would receive from  
the printer before send another data?

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Emacs and tcsh

1996-11-21 Thread Christian Lynbech
I use the following in my .cshrc:

stty  -icrnl -onlcr -echo susp ^Z

which I believe fixes the problem of ^M.

However, you may also want to use terminal mode rather than shell
mode. If you say:

M-x term

you get a real terminal. If you type TAB, you get filename
completion from the tcsh, and the terminal is in fact advanced enough
to run for instance `less' in the buffer.

It is not perfect, but it works well enough for me that I hardly use
xterms any more. Only hassle is that you have to find out how to
install the terminal definition.


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Re: How to choose safe configuration at boot time?

1996-11-21 Thread Buddha Buck
 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Buddha M Buck wrote:
 
  (that'll teach me to use a 11-character root password). 
 
 Unless you changed your system, only the first 8 have any significance.
 (Part of the shadow password suite allows extended length passwords.)

Yes, I know that bigpassw is equivilant to bigpassword, but I still 
-think- of my password as bigpassword.

If the shadow suite changes this behavior, I might consider switching 
to it.

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XConfig for Thinkpad 350

1996-11-21 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom

 We're installing Debian and X on an IBM Thinkpad notebook, and are
having trouble getting X to work.  The server won't start; it finds no
valid modes.

 Does anyone have one of these running X Windows who could mail me the
XF86Config file for it?  (I will also look on ftp.xfree86.org)

 It has a vga screen; active(?) matrix, and 1M of video ram, I think.
We are using the VGA16 server.

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Re: X is painful

1996-11-21 Thread Simon Martin
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snip
 Nah, Xerox at PARC invented the GUI, they actually made a computer that 
 used it, but it was really bad.  Both Steve Jobs (Mac guy) and Bill Gates

 visited PARC and saw their GUI.  They both saw that this was where the 
 computer interface should head.  The rest is history.
snip

Just a little aside. One of my jobs is for Xerox, and the Xerox
workstations are pretty good. The UI and networking (XNS) are fully
integrated, giving some very interesting and powerful side-effects. So
interesting in fact that I understand that Novell licensed some it for
NetWare 4. The workstations are Sparc based. Unfortunately they are dying
out, as only Xerox internal development supports them, because neither the
UI nor XNS became commercial products (don't ask me why).

I know that Mac OS, Windows and Solaris are based on the PARC UI projects
(there is even a thank you note to Xerox in the Solaris documentation), but
this is not surprising seeing as Xerox developed the mouse, an early
windowing environment, etc, whilst most other people hadn't even thought
about a simple menu system.

Thanks for listening

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Re: cron problem

1996-11-21 Thread Fredrick Paul Eisele
Lawrence Chim wrote:
 
 I don't know why cron always send mail to root with the following
 body.  Any idea?
 

I think what you are asking to related to the MAILTO variable.
If you set MAILTO='' in your crontab for root the cron stuff
will not be sent. 
An exerpt from the cron man page:

   When executing commands, any  out­
   put  is mailed to the owner of the crontab (or to the user
   named in the MAILTO environment variable in  the  crontab,
   if such exists).

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Re: Oleo - Any docs?

1996-11-21 Thread Fredrick Paul Eisele
Ed Down wrote:
 
 I've used a few spreadsheets in my time, but the Oleo 
 docs do not give me
 enough info to use the program. Anyone know of any user-friendly Oleo
 docs, or maybe an easier to use X spreadsheet program?
 
I made a shot at installing SIAG but have not really put much
effort into it.  Has anyone tried it?  How does it compare to 
the likes of NExS? 

SIAG: http://linus.asogy.stockholm.se/~ulric/siag/siag.html
NExS: http://www.xess.com/NExS/nexs.html

Incidentally, SIAG is GPL; NExS is commercial.

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Re: Where is Netscape package?

1996-11-21 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

 
 I have been looking for the netscape package under rex but can't find
 it.  Where is it?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mark Phillips.  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
Looks in the contrib section, that's where is it.
You have to download the .tar.gz file from netscape too. The deb package
is just an wrapper/installer. (Only work with the netscape 3.0 for the
moment too.)

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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-21 Thread mgiammarco

You wrote:

 Which version of gs dou you use?

Version 3.33 it is not a debian package, I installed it manually.


 If I invoke the filter with /etc/filter.ps filetoprint.ps
 /dev/lp1 the printer prints.

 Ok. So for so good.
 If I do lpr filetoprint.ps nothing appear. If I do lpq it says
 lp is ready and is printing but it is not true.
 This doesn't say anything. But you do see any pending jobs in the
 queue? A la: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ~$lpq stylus is ready and printing Rank
 Owner Job Files Total Size active david 312 demo.c 180 bytes

There is the pending job. Lpc says queuing is enabled printing is
enabled 1 entry in spool area etc



 PS: What was your success with magicfilter?

No success with magicfilter no with apsfilter


PPS: Have you read the
 Printing-HOWTO?

Obviously.


I begin to suspect there is a cable problem, with windows95 and
directly with postscript I can print, but when lpq says that lp is
ready and printing I notice that the data led on my printer lights,
and sometimes the printer loads a sheet of paper. I will try
another printer cable. But the question is, what handshake the
lpd do with the printer? I mean, what return value/signal lpd would
receive from the printer before send another data?

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Re: PPP

1996-11-21 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
   Are there any programs available for linux that allow you to
 logon to a normal telnet getty and then start up a PPP connection from
 the command line?  I have a dialup connection to the whole network, but
 the PPP lines for this school are monstrously overcrowded.

I'm not aware of such a tool for PPP, but there is one for SLIP: 
SLiRP. Basically, you dial in, make a terminal connection, preferably
make that connection 8-bit clean, and start a daemon on the remote
system. 

Check out /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Dip+SLiRP+CSLIP.gz (doc-linux package).

Hope this helps,
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Re: csh * expantion problem

1996-11-21 Thread Neal R. Dalton


On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

 If you want to echo the list of files in the current directory, use:
 
   echo *

The point is this doesn't work.  Is there a working version of csh?

Neal

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X11 GUI Support (was Re: X11 bashing)

1996-11-21 Thread Fabien Ninoles
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Well, good discussion everyone, a pleasure to read it.  

The lacks of weel integrated GUI tools in X is volunteers but who knows a
Windows System that run on most Unix System (including Linux, A/UX,
FreeBSD, AIX, Sun, WindowsNT) and are distributed (a very painful, hard to
maintain but powerful caracteristic)? 

X aren't to be change. It has to be complete with a mostly standard
toolkit for GUI programmers. That's what the caracteristics I would like
to find in this toolkit and if some already exist who has all those, it
will be a good thing if Debian support it :

1) Open Free Standard. 
That means you can develop something absolutely free from it, with no
restriction! It means too that, with all the standard already existing, I
don't think we have to reinvent the wheel (to use a French expression that
I don't know if I can translate ;). Other advantage of Open Standard is
that you can ease software develop on other machine/OS and easily put it
on Linux, a most performing system. That's help too to reduce the number
of libraries on one system. X are already big enough!

2) Ease of development and maintainance.
Object oriented? Not necessarely. Has someone says, C is standard and
mostly use for almost software but Objects are supposed to be easier and
C++ and Objective-C support C very well.

3) Good integration
Why need a pretty GUI if we can't cutpaste between each windows. CORBA,
OLE, etc. are some standard for IPC but first, each process has to know
basically how to communicate between each other.
 
4) User configurable
Because we prefered to (don't) have a big dock on the right side of us 13
monitor, we prefered (not) to have that or this in the pop-up root menu,
we (don't) want a tool bar, a small (large) grey (blue) bordure on us
windows and one (three) button to close (resize, quit) the window in its
upper right corner.

5) Freeness
Need to discuss about it?

Well, that's the main three I can extract from the discussion... I don't
want to go further because it can be subversive. Let's see now the
different solutions already purpose.

Motif:
1) Already an open standard mainly free altought that the only free
version of the libraries are still in beta development.
2) Not yet ease to develop but a good object wrapper (like Object Windows
for the WinAPI; I don't think that MFC are good objects... their have lot
of bad scheme in it) can really ease the process and use the same library.
But that can be apply to almost everything. Motif aren't a kind of wrapper
around Xlib, is it?
3) Permit it in an entirely Motif interface.
3) Not as well as I would like but can be.
4) see 1) :)

GNUStep:
1) See Motif 1)...
2) Is Objective-C... that's a plus and a weakness. A plus because
Objective C are a pretty well done Object language and permit some real
object oriented (loose binding) development. Weak because you are mainly
restrict to write it in this language, who aren't well supported by most
entreprise. But may be I'm wrong here. If someone can correct me :)
3) That's the goal of NextStep and the main domain of Jacob's expertise.
4) Well, GNUStep defined their own goal to be more open and
configurable then NextStep already was. It can be good thing.
5) That's GNU stuff :)

JAVA Desktop (surprised?):
1) Java are a well known standard, although young.
2) Never see a easiest and as powerful language than Java. It's supported
integration of C function and can be exported in C programs. Like GNUStep,
you are dependant of a Java Workspace for a well integrated system.
Another point, Linux dis you would like to see Corel Suite running on a
Linux Box? That can be possible.
3) Well done.
4) Still to be implemented but the java-VM are just going out the box...
It can be really improved.
5) Java are kind of free. I don't think the Java license are too mush
restrictive and avoid the GPL...

...

I don't talk about V++, KDE or QT cause I don't know it well... For
myself, the Java Desktop are my own project then I'm working on it
(Learning Java are good for job, although I'm studying in `electrical'
engineering.. :).  If some `autonomous volunteer' want to contrib. I'll be
happy to heard about you :). 

Pleasure to read your replies to this mail.

Fab



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SUMMARY: Emacs and tcsh

1996-11-21 Thread Neal R. Dalton


On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Neal R. Dalton wrote:

 In emacs-19.31, with in emacs shell, the ^Ms show up.  In csh they don't.
 
 However, in csh the '*' didn't expand.  Is there a fix?

As far as I know, the version of csh is broken.
 
 Is there a good TERM type for emacs shell, so things like passwds don't 
 show up?

passwds can be fixed with:
  (add-hook 'comint-output-filter-functions 'comint-watch-for-password-prompt)

The answer was in the emacs FAQ for ^M in tcsh

62:  How do I get rid of the ^M junk in my shell buffer?

  Try typing M-x shell-strip-ctrl-m RET while in shell-mode to make them
  go away.  If that doesn't work, you have several options:

  For tcsh, put this in your `.cshrc' (or `.tcshrc') file:

if ($?EMACS) then
if ($EMACS == t) then
if ($?tcsh) unset edit
stty nl
endif
endif

  Or put this in your .emacs_tcsh file:

unset edit
stty nl

  Alternatively, use csh in your shell buffers instead of tcsh.  One way
  is:

(setq explicit-shell-file-name /bin/csh)

  and another is to do this in your .cshrc (or .tcshrc) file:

setenv ESHELL /bin/csh

  (You must start Emacs over again with the environment variable properly
  set for this to take effect.)

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Re: Serial port IRQ strangeness

1996-11-21 Thread lukas
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 On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:20:14 +0200 Esa Turtiainen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
 fi) wrote:
 
...
  
  Compile a kernel with serial built in.
 
 Or just add a line with just the word ``auto'' to /etc/modules :-)
 Easier than rebuilding a kernel.
 

Unfortunately, this won't always help you if you use non-standard settings with
setserial (like different IRQs). Everytime the modules is unloaded, all 
settings are lost. If you don't want to build a new kernel, and you use
special settings, you have two options:
- Load the module before using setserial
- Use the post-install feature of kerneld setup your ports

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Re: libc

1996-11-21 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Thanks!

But I installed the debian ELF system and what it put in as default is 
4.6.27.

I have 5.2.18 in there (as the ldconfig -v shows) but it is not being 
used as default.

How do I go about upgrading/changing the default?

Ricardo

On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:

 Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
  
  Hi,
  
  I've installed the stable debian 1.1 release and noticed that my libc is
  defaulting to libc.so.4.6.27
  
  Is there any reason why it's not using a later libc? Are there bugs with
  libc versions  4.6 (either 5.x or 4.7)?
  
 
 Hi.
 
 I suspect libc4 never got upgraded to libc-4.7.5 because it's an a.out
 library needed by only a few obscure packages which only a few people
 use.
 
 Debian is ELF and is based on libc5.  The latest libc5 package (in rex)
 is libc-5.4.7, your system might have a libc-5.3.x.  I suggest you
 re-check your /lib or just run ldd on something -- say, 'ldd /bin/bash'.
 
 Rgds
 Dimitri
 

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Re: Where is Netscape package?

1996-11-21 Thread Brian C. White
 I have been looking for the netscape package under rex but can't find
 it.  Where is it?

The 3.0 version is in contrib.  The 3.01 version still hasn't made it out
of Incoming (to my knowledge).
 
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Re: Sources for rootdisk

1996-11-21 Thread Martin Stromberg
 
   I think the subject says it all... I'm looking for the
 sources of the programs found on Debian rootdisks.  Can anybody
 help me?
 
 Thanks,
 Juan Cespedes
 

Install the boot-floppies package.

If you are planning to create an umsdos installation, please contact me.



Click,

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Re: laptop, ethernet and networking

1996-11-21 Thread Larry 'Daffy' Daffner

Karsten Bolding writes:

[ A correctly working ethernet card ]

- ifconfig reports eth0 is up 
- 
-  route add -net 130.226.66.83
- 
- with this result
- 
- SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
- 

Thos should be route add -net 130.226.66.0.  route -net takes the
network address to route to as the argument, not the interface
address. If the machine has another interface with the same network,
then you can just say route add -net 130.226.66.0 dev eth0 to get it
to use the eth0 device.

HTH
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Re: bo is full of symlinks to rex?

1996-11-21 Thread Brian C. White
 Prior to the freezing of rex, unstable (rex) contained all of the
 physical files of the distribution.
 
 Now, unstable is bo, and it has many links back to rex.
 
 At what point will bo loose the links to rex and be self-contained
 again?

The plan is to leave symlinks from bo to rex until the time that
bo is frozen.


 When the change occured, my mirror of unstable lost a bunch of files.
 Now I have to get both rex and bo. I think I can continually mirror
 unstable only, by careful use of the following option in mirror, but
 I haven't actually tried this yet:
 
  If the remote site contains symlinks that you want to flat-
  ten  out  into  the  corresponding  files,  then do this by
  changing the flags passed to the remote ls:
   flags_recursive+L
  or
   flags_nonrecursive+L
 
  First test this by trying a ls -lRatL  on  the  remote  site
  under the ftp command to check whether the remote file-store
  has any symlink loops.
 
 Anybody got a better method to mirror only the unstable tree
 efficiently?

We have the same problem here.  I didn't know about the options you
describe.  Unfortunately, that would disable all symlinks for the
entire Debian distribution unless you get unstable separately.
This is not too difficult to do, luckily.

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Re: your mail

1996-11-21 Thread Paul Christenson
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Steven Thomas Christy wrote:

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special kernels info: where?

1996-11-21 Thread Tibor Simko
Hello:

I was looking for a special kernel (aha2940uw and also 3c905
if already available) in buzz/disks-i386/SpecialKernels 
and found out that the config-? files that used to sit
there and described what special kernels are configured for
are no more in the directory tree.

According to the FAQ there are 6 special-kernel boot disks,
but I have found 9 of them there. What are the three others
configured for? Where can I find the information about these
special kernels?

I know that I'll probably use special kernel #1 - the
problem is not there. I just thought that it would be nice
to have them all documented somewhere at the FTP site.

Thanks in advance
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Linux books.

1996-11-21 Thread The Mighty Jorge
Hi.  I am just beginning to learn how to use and install Linux, and I was
wondering if anyone had any book recommendations.  I'm looking for
something in the beginner to intermediate range, covering installation,
system administration, configuration, and the like.  Thanks.

Jorge

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Re: hard disk recommendation

1996-11-21 Thread James W. Lynch
-  Received message begins Here  -

I looked at a new drive and the only thing I saw was a DHFS sticker from
IBM. Is that a model number or something?

As far as the Seagates, I saw a couple of ST43400ND drives here in the
office.  They appear to be 2-3 years old.  I don't know of any others in
use by SGI for sure, but I'd guess there are others.  The 43400 is 
a bit too big to fit into an Indy.  I don't have an Indy torn appart 
to look at right now.


 
 Paul Christenson wrote:
  
  On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
  
   On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote:
  
In an attempt to avoid a war, I'll simply say that Silicon Graphics is
using IBM SCSI drives exclusively.  Given the nature of their products, 
I
  
   I am afraid you're wrong. I saw Seagate drives (in older stations) and,
   more recently, Quantum drives in High Impacts.
  
  SGI used to use Seagate exclusively (up to a year or so ago), but then
  they started getting customer complaints on the drives failing.  They did
  go to Quantum for a short period, but they found that the Quantum drives
  have a nasty habit of recalibrating themselves from time to time, which
  makes the drives unavailable for a second or so, which really causes a
  performance hit on these machines.  Quantum was unwilling to rewrite the
  firmware on their drives, so testing continued.  IBM drives are the only
  ones that currently meet SGI specs.
  
  This was from a conversation with an SGI tech about three weeks ago.
 
 Which Seagate/Quantum drive was using and which IBM drive is using by
 SGI?
 
 lawrence,
 
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Re: csh * expantion problem

1996-11-21 Thread Raja R Harinath
Neal R. Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Under csh (not a link to tcsh), when I do a echo *, I get the following 
 error:
 
   echo: No match.
 
 It work on other OSs.

I tried

  echo *

in an empty directory on a Solaris, SunOS, and HP/UX -- all the
`csh' and `tcsh' agree -- they are unified in saying:

  echo: No match.

Then, I said

  set nonomatch
  echo *

and, lo and behold, they all echoed a `*' at me.

 The point is this doesn't work.  Is there a working version of csh?

Fix your shell script.

- Hari

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Re: PPP

1996-11-21 Thread mattice
 JHMD == J H M Dassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 logon to a normal telnet getty and then start up a PPP connection
 from the command line?  I have a dialup connection to the whole

JHMD I'm not aware of such a tool for PPP, but there is one for
JHMD SLIP: SLiRP. Basically, you dial in, make a terminal
JHMD connection, preferably make that connection 8-bit clean, and
JHMD start a daemon on the remote system.

JHMD Check out /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Dip+SLiRP+CSLIP.gz (doc-linux
JHMD package).

I know that FreeBSD has such a tool, but I haven't been able to
find such a beast for Linux..

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How's HUP'ping isdnlog?

1996-11-21 Thread Thomas Baetzler
Hi,

I've got a minor problem for some time now, and I hope somebody
might help me out. I have been running I4L for some time now
without a hitch, so I was amazed to find out that something broke
recently. Since I didn't notice it right away, there's no easy
way for me to figure out what exactly caused it :-/

Anyways, as part of my isdn setup in init.d, I start isdnlog to 
keep an eye on my isdn traffic. I have isdnlog set up to dump
data to /dev/tty8. This used to work just fine. However, recently
somebody or something caused isdnlog to break on startup. The
error message re-reading config file that gets dumped to the
terminal is obviously caused by a SIGHUP that isdnlog receives.

Now I'm wondering who goes around twiddling my processes when I'd
rather have them run quietly :-)

Is it due to the fact that the virtual consoles aren't available 
when isdnlog gets started? If that's the case, how do I get 
around it? Right now, isdnlog has a start/stop priority of 20.

If I stop/start the script in /etc/init.d manually, everything
works just fine.

TIA for your opinions on that matter!

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Re: Dselect docs for beginners

1996-11-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Lindsay Allen, you wrote:
 
 
 
 On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Tim Sailer wrote:
 
  
  In the Access part, explain what the common cdrom devices are,
  what to do if you have problems with nfs (I have written up locally
  about the nfs.o problem, and have a ftpable copy), and offer
  a little more detail on the ftp method. Maybe point to some ftp
  sites. Are there any other public nfs sites?
 
 I gave this some thought, but as I am documenting dselect rather that the
 install process I have not gone into cdroms and the nfs problem will go
 away with 1.2.  Maybe ftp should get a mention, but there again it is a
 different layer from dselect.  I have not used it.
 
  
  Explain in detail what the 'EIOM' headings mean.
 
 Done.
 
  explain the '=' option in case something is broken in a package
  and you can't get by it (as seen in the e2fsprogs in the past few weeks)
 
 Done
 
 At this point the document is 300 lines which is about as far as I can
 stretch Bruce's request for a SHORT file.  Look on
 ftp://oak.scotch.wa.edu.au/pub for dselect.beginner.3.gz.  Please report
 errors.

Looks great! We should expand on this (maybe on a web page) to make 
a more complete documentaion of dselect. People tend to read stuff
they can print out, but get flustered in an application like
dselect.

Tim

PS: I'll make the web page and add to it if there is that need.

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Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?

1996-11-21 Thread Rick Macdonald
Does anybody know if Caldera's WABI will run on a Debian system?
Caldera's web page kind of says maybe.

I'm tempted to pay the $200 just so I can run Quicken without
booting up DOS/Windows.

I haven't checked for awhile, but I assume that WINE is still
a long ways away. I couldn't tolerate having my Quicken files
corrupted!

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Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?

1996-11-21 Thread Rob Browning
Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Does anybody know if Caldera's WABI will run on a Debian system?
 Caldera's web page kind of says maybe.
 
 I'm tempted to pay the $200 just so I can run Quicken without
 booting up DOS/Windows.

Actually I use Executor for that.  It runs Macintosh Quicken 6 in an X
window with no problem.  I actually own both the Mac and Windows
versions of Quicken (don't ask), and I prefer the Mac version.

For those that don't know, Executor's a (commercial) Mac emulator that
runs many Mac apps at roughly the speed of a 68040 running at half the
clock speed of your pentium (YMMV).

Details at www.ardi.com.

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Installation Instruction at www.debian.org

1996-11-21 Thread Le Tran
Hi,

I really like the Installation Instruction presented at 
http://www.debian.org/. I think it is very clear and very well written.
Tha authors are congratulated for a job well done.

I do have a suggestion, however; that is we need more installation
instruction after installing the base set. The instruction 
might include suggestions on what to be installed next and how.

I think it will be very helpful to novice users of Debian Linux.
Thanks.

Le

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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-21 Thread Hunter Marshall
I can not comment on the thread as developed so far, but let me add that
since I have moved to debian1.1, lpr does not reliably print to a printer
that worked for 0.93. 
The printer is an Apple 16/600 accessed directly via tcp/ip. If i send a
printjob to a different IP address that is a Gatorbox that forwards jobs to
the same 16/600, all is fine. 

I originally thought the problem was for printjobs sent to the printer via
stdin (ie the print button xpdf, etc), but I had a couple of failures for
regular files. The final straw was when my linux box apparently was flooding
the printer with some sort of communication, thus choking it for hours at a
time.

I am afraid that since this was at work, I have not had time to pursue a
rigorous debug of the situation. I have started to just use Windows for now
since Word documents emailed as attachments seem to be our stock in trade. I
had xbin in my old Linux but have not tracked it down again to build it for
the new kernel. 

Just rumbling to see if this rings a bell. i can record detailed release
numbers if necessary (I'm not in Linux  :-(   )

hunter

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xterm resource not working after upgrading to XFree 3.2

1996-11-21 Thread Lawrence Chim
Just after I upgrade to XFree 3.2, I don't why after I login from xdm,
it couldn't set the resource properly, eg. in my .Xresources file,
I set

XTerm*foreground: white
XTerm*background: black

It worked before the upgrade.  But now, the color is reversed.
I can type 'xterm -bg black -fg white' and it works.  It seems
that it changes the way how we set the X resources.

lawrence,

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