Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Ed Down wrote: snip What _I_ would like is a nice concise posting regarding setting up a mail filter for pine and other mail progs, posted regularly, so that instead of saying 'I will unsubscribe' and losing possibly important members of the list, people say 'That mail filter sounds easy to set up, I'll do that instead'. begin plug With Communicator one can start using filters and (gasp!) digital signatures. end plug Actually, I haven't had the time to set up my debian-user filters up. So currently all the emails to this list get dumped into a folder for future reading. A way of having meaningful subject lines could work. But again, it would not if people did not follow the naming convention. I emailed a post last week that went 'update-menus broken in 1.4?' In retrospect I think I should have chosen a better subject line. How about the following scheme - [net] problem with communicator install [x11] problem setting up fvwm2 menus etc. J/ my 2 cents. Sudhakar -- When all else fails, read the instructions. Sudhakar Chandrasekharan(415) 937-2354 (O) International Web Engineer Type of Guy (415) 940-1896 (H) http://home.netscape.com/people/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Although the creation of a 'Debian-guru' list would have the same effect as creating a 'Debian-newbie' list. Everybody would ask their questions on the guru list since a. All the gurus would be reading it (obviously) b. None of the gurus would bother reading the regular list anymore (or at least not in any detail) c. Everybody thinks their question is really difficult and needs a guru to answer it. OK, how's this then: 'Normal' users (like myself) post to the 'user' list. Access to the guru list is restricted to Maintainers, Administrators of reasonable sized installations etc. If someone who is on the 'guru' list (ie Dwarf, Bruce, etc) thinks it appropriate they forward ia post on the 'user' list to the guru list with the return address of the original poster. This way the 'easy' questions (everything is easy once you know how!) stay on the 'user' list, and the 'hard' questions get across to the guru list via moderators. There could be a 'test' for access to the 'guru' list (a coupla questions about sendmail internals, or kernel internals or something), or it could be by invitation only. I've been thinking about the entire newbie/documentation thing a lot lately. There has to be a way for newbies to get into the /usr/doc/*/*gz files before they know about gzip, zcat and zless. And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. John Foster -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problem getting German Umlaute
Paul Seelig wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Baums) writes: It works all right for bash (thanks so far), but not for emacs, or tcsh (which I'd like to use), where the effect is nil. Make sure to load de-latin1.map using the program 'kbdconfig' and reboot (must this really be necessary?). It happened to me twice during some Debian installations that i accidently loaded de-latin1-nodeadkeys.map and therefore the emacs on the target machines showed the same symptoms. Umlaut-problem number 2 (emacs from bash) has been successfully solved: the German-HOWTO solution actually works once you have configured your shell. Remains umlaut-problem number 3: tcsh. The man pages for tcsh do have something to say on the subject, only it (i.e. setting LANG / LC_CTYPE, using setfont / loadkeys) doesn't work. Could anyone mail me the relevant part of his/her tcsh-under-Debian configuration? Greetings, Stefan -- - Stefan Baums Universitaet Goettingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X server via network.
Philippe Troin wrote: snip See (1)xauth for details. You can also use ssh which will do this automagically, and will also encrypt (and optionally compress (good on slow lines)) the connections. [ssh is available on the debian-non-US site] I don't know about the Debian-non-Us site. But you could go to the source - http://www.cs.hut.fi/ssh/ It runs pretty smoothly on my machine. Sudhakar -- When all else fails, read the instructions. Sudhakar Chandrasekharan(415) 937-2354 (O) International Web Engineer Type of Guy (415) 940-1896 (H) http://home.netscape.com/people/thaths/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Quota (?)
Okay, its been a while since Ive done these, so bear with me. How do I do quotas? I have compiled the kernel for quota support. I have run quotacheck for the required filesystem (/home) Now, if I remember correctly I have to modify the fstab for the /home entry and add a -a (?) to the option line? Is this correct, or I have i missed something? Thanks. SaHua, Michael electric RAIN http://www.electric-rain.net/ In battle nothing is done without plan or on the spur of the momment, careful thoght precedes action of any kind, and to the decisions recahed all actions must conform. As a result, the Romas meet very few setbacks, and if anything does go wrong, the setbacks are easily cancelled out. They regard success due to luck as less desirable then a planned but unsuccesful stroke, because victorious that come of themselves tempt men to leave things to chance, but forethough, in spite of occasional failures, is good practice in avoiding the same mistakes. Josephus, the Jweish War, III. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: afterstep
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, W Paul Mills wrote:
I believe that /usr/X11R6/bin/X needs to be suid root.
no, that wasn't the problem. note that there are no problems with any
other wm i've tried (fvwm/2/95, olvwm, twm)
i should also note that X is killed when i start up afterstep.
-brad
On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Brad Bell wrote:
hi, i am having some trouble (with permissions?) starting up afterstep.
if i start it as root, there are no problems.
if i start as a normal user, i get this:
velcro# cat /home/brad/.xsession-errors
sh: /tmp/steprcX: Permission denied
Cannot open m4-processed config file
: No such file or directory
xterm: fatal IO error 2 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server :0.0
the /tmp/ thing is what throws me off. /tmp is empty before and after i
try to start afterstep.
my system is basically 1.3.0
can anyone advise me on what to look for?
-brad
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Re: trilinux
In order to sell a really cheap Debian CD-ROM set, I need to sell a lot of them fast or Debian needs to stop improving so fast. This is because I need to run at least 1000 sets, it will be a week or more before I get them from the CD presser, and after a few weeks more the remaining copies are good for coasters or frisbees. For now I prefer to put it on CD-R's and keep it up to date. I tried Slackware. I tried Red Hat. I tried Debian and stayed with it. I made a new 1.3 CD today and tested it on a few machines. One of them supported bootable CD's and the install worked flawlessly. As far as cheap CD's go, I have a collection of them and they do leave things off. Some of the vendors have no real interest in Linux, so what do you expect? On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Daniel J. Mashao wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: I have a question about this tri-linux CD: How on earth do you fit three distributions on one CD? The official debian CD release will now be 2 CD's. Does leaving out the source distribution really makes such a difference? They leave out a lot of stuff. At least that is my experience with a Cheap*Bytes disc. I wish some one would sell the Debian Official 2-CD for less than $5.00. I don't like doing too many ftp's. After all they only need to copy it. ~~~ D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. There is. Give a brief answer to the question and follow with something like for more details, see 'man foo' and the documentation in /usr/doc/foo the brief answer can be useful in itself or simply an i dont know, but I vaguely recall seeing something about that in the documentation the thing to remember is you're dealing with newbies. you can't assume that they know how to get to the documentation, so make it easy for them by briefly explaining how to find the docs. That's all that most people need - a pointer in the right direction. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: [snip] I've been thinking about the entire newbie/documentation thing a lot lately. There has to be a way for newbies to get into the /usr/doc/*/*gz files before they know about gzip, zcat and zless. And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. Midnight Commander (mc) could fill this role. As it happens the current version is broken to the extent that it does not know how to access .deb files. There is a bug report on this which is a month old but mc is still useful as it can handle .gz files and the like. The bug is easily fixed, BTW. mc_3.5.17-1.deb has two copies of mc.ext. One is right and one is wrong. The right version is in the wrong place. If you have this problem mv /etc/mc.ext /etc/mc/ Lindsay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DLINK-220 (was Re: rogers wave cable access....)
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote: On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: 2) What ethernet driver should I use for a D-LINK 220? NE-2000? D-Link 220's are PnP NE-2000 clones. If you get isapnptools you should be able to configure the card in linux and then use the ne driver. I have tried to do this without success. I tried pnpdump without any options, but it only listed my AWE32 and modem. When I did this, it looked at regport 0x203. Is there a possiility that the dlink220 is on another regport? Cheers, Colin. Have you tried the setup disk that came with it? Jason -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: [snip] I've been thinking about the entire newbie/documentation thing a lot lately. There has to be a way for newbies to get into the /usr/doc/*/*gz files before they know about gzip, zcat and zless. And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. Midnight Commander (mc) could fill this role. As it happens the current version is broken to the extent that it does not know how to access .deb files. There is a bug report on this which is a month old but mc is still useful as it can handle .gz files and the like. I have a system here with Caldera Open Linux Standard and one thing that they did was create a default fvwm popup menu when you click on the root window. The first item in that window is Help on Linux. Selecting that gives the next layer popup that includes links to such things as the woven docs (FAQ's, HOWTO's, etc in HTML) and launches a browser to read them. Since Debian could not launch Netscape by default, they COULD launch lynx in an Xterm or possibly the new GUI linux browser when it is ready. The point here is the default fvwm X configuration is VERY helpful allowing you to select things like configuration tools and the like from popup menus. Root has different menus than the users do. (actually root has more ADDITIONS to the default systemwide selection). Seems to me the first step would be in deciding on a default standard X window manager and then going on to the default menus from there. George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: [snip] I've been thinking about the entire newbie/documentation thing a lot lately. There has to be a way for newbies to get into the /usr/doc/*/*gz files before they know about gzip, zcat and zless. And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. Midnight Commander (mc) could fill this role. As it happens the current version is broken to the extent that it does not know how to access .deb files. There is a bug report on this which is a month old but mc is still useful as it can handle .gz files and the like. The bug is easily fixed, BTW. mc_3.5.17-1.deb has two copies of mc.ext. One is right and one is wrong. The right version is in the wrong place. If you have this problem mv /etc/mc.ext /etc/mc/ Good idea. Could a simple question Are you new to Debian/GNU Linux? be added to the script for the first time run, so that access to mc comes in immediately for the newbies. I guess it would require mc, curses and some of the docs moving into base though, or for the answer to the question to run dpkg (dpkg-ftp) after the system is installed. Then mc macros could be added for the newbie, so that they have access to those docs. Opinions anyone? John Foster -- You are in a maze of twisty little HOWTOs, all gziped. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
problem with popclient in daemon mode
I was running popclient -d 900 on my Debian Linux 1.1 system, and after upgrading to 1.2 (and now to 1.3) popclient will start up at invocation, but dies. Am I missing something simple? -- Walter L. Preuninger II waldo @ irc.wasteland.org:#unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://walterp.rapidramp.com Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key, or visit my web page. L I N U X Where You Really Should Be! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: base is still obsolete
Paul Rightley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : I have been using Debian on my machine at work for quite some time. : When the box was upgraded to Debian 1.2, it was left with one : obsolete package - base. Just as a matter of compulsive : cleanliness - will we ever be able to purge base or will there : always be one obsolete package popping up in deselect? Hasn't this been fixed in 1.3? I don't like that obsolete package either. E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: afterstep
well, i found the problem. i'm not surprised nobody suggested it, because
it was so blazingly obvious... i changed the permissions on /tmp to 777,
and it works fine. so now i guess what i want to know is, what are the
default permissions on /tmp? i don't remember ever changing them.
-brad
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Brad Bell wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, W Paul Mills wrote:
I believe that /usr/X11R6/bin/X needs to be suid root.
no, that wasn't the problem. note that there are no problems with any
other wm i've tried (fvwm/2/95, olvwm, twm)
i should also note that X is killed when i start up afterstep.
-brad
On Thu, 5 Jun 1997, Brad Bell wrote:
hi, i am having some trouble (with permissions?) starting up afterstep.
if i start it as root, there are no problems.
if i start as a normal user, i get this:
velcro# cat /home/brad/.xsession-errors
sh: /tmp/steprcX: Permission denied
Cannot open m4-processed config file
: No such file or directory
xterm: fatal IO error 2 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server :0.0
the /tmp/ thing is what throws me off. /tmp is empty before and after i
try to start afterstep.
my system is basically 1.3.0
can anyone advise me on what to look for?
-brad
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Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, George Bonser wrote: I have a system here with Caldera Open Linux Standard and one thing that they did was create a default fvwm popup menu when you click on the root window. The first item in that window is Help on Linux. Selecting that gives the next layer popup that includes links to such things as the woven docs (FAQ's, HOWTO's, etc in HTML) and launches a browser to read them. Since Debian could not launch Netscape by default, they COULD launch lynx in an Xterm or possibly the new GUI linux browser when it is ready. The point here is the default fvwm X configuration is VERY helpful allowing you to select things like configuration tools and the like from popup menus. Root has different menus than the users do. (actually root has more ADDITIONS to the default systemwide selection). Seems to me the first step would be in deciding on a default standard X window manager and then going on to the default menus from there. The problem with that is that the two commonest newbie questions are: How do I get ppp working? and How do I get X working? Keep in mind that most newbies won't know if it's a Debian or a Linux or a GNU problem, so they'll probably ask here! Also keep in mind that a newbie could quite easily stuff with dselect on the first run, so they could easily have no ppp or X for a while, even if a default configuration is provided. I also find the idea of forcing the newbie into a particular X/Window Manager configuration somewhat disturbing. One of the many reasons I like Debian is that my PC looks like _my_ PC. So far I like the mc approach best. John Foster -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: problem with popclient in daemon mode
I was running popclient -d 900 on my Debian Linux 1.1 system, and after upgrading to 1.2 (and now to 1.3) popclient will start up at invocation, but dies. Am I missing something simple? Yes, you must have installed fetchmail package which can still be invoked as popclient, but behaves differently. E.g. some options in .poprc file are no longer supported, etc. But in your case, if you use -d 900 option, you have to use fetchmail itself. Anyway, check man fetchmail for details. Alex Y. -- Walter L. Preuninger II waldo @ irc.wasteland.org:#unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://walterp.rapidramp.com Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key, or visit my web page. L I N U X Where You Really Should Be! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
I also find the idea of forcing the newbie into a particular X/Window Manager configuration somewhat disturbing. One of the many reasons I like Debian is that my PC looks like _my_ PC. So far I like the mc approach best. John Foster 1) If we settled on some kind of a default, the system could be pretty much self-configuring. 2) You can't force anything on a newbie. Since they probably do not know what X is, they will be happy to have a more functional X system at startup and they can ALWAYS change it. Even COL has twm and olvm options in that same popup menu under the Desktop selections. I know that COL is a commercial system and I am not suggesting that Debian should be as extensive, I am simply expressing my opinion that it can be made a bit more functional right out of the box and have easy to find documentation a click away from the desktop. George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
rsh or ssh and authorization over a masqueraded connection.
Is it possible to set up password free logins (for rsh or ssh) to a server via a masqueraded connection? I spent quite a bit of time recently trying to figure this out, and it seemed like the host really didn't want to let this happen. Something about incoming connections from a non-privileged port being used. [ server ] --- ppp --- [ masquerading host ] --- [masqueraded host] The connections go through without a hitch when I try from the masquerading host but won't work from the masqueraded host, even when I'm careful (for ssh) about the known_hosts and .shosts file contents. Thanks -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: afterstep
Brad Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, i found the problem. i'm not surprised nobody suggested it, because it was so blazingly obvious... i changed the permissions on /tmp to 777, and it works fine. so now i guess what i want to know is, what are the default permissions on /tmp? i don't remember ever changing them. It might have been the system. There was a brief problem with base-files which would cause the base directories to get installed with the wrong permissions. Here's the correct tmp permissions: 504$ ls -ld /tmp/ drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 1024 Jun 9 21:11 /tmp/ And you can reset them to this with (as root): chown root.root /tmp chmod u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rwxt /tmp -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: If there is to be a new list, then perhaps a Debian-Guru list would be more appropriate. I'd like to see debian-guru: the newbies won't be afraid that they are joining a list with no help (everyone is already on user), and the guru's get their low volume list since no one is on it yet (this is a vote against debian-newbie). In the long run I don't foresee any problems, since I was on linux-newbie for almost a year and that list was great, without the admin work I've heard suggested before (experienced newbies helped the real newbies). If it's not to much to ask, perhaps a debian-guru could be made and see how it works. I don't have any problems with the newbies asking questions here, it's hard to tell when a question is debian or non-debian. Also subscribing to debian-user and linux-newbie can be too much. My apologies for adding to this debate, however, hopefully something good can come out of it. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7877/home.html We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Info Magic April 97 - Installation details
Serveral requests have been sent to me for details on
installing debian 1.2 from the April 97 Info Magic LDR so here
are details. This is my first attempt to provid help on the
net, so requests for additions, amendments, etc. are welcome.
1. From your favorite ftp site (not sunsite) get the following files:
rex-updates/pcmcia-cs_2.9.1-2.deb
rex-updates/pcmcia-modules-2.0.27_2.9.1-2.deb
rex-updates/pcmcia-modules-2.0.29_2.9.1-2.deb
rex-updates/pcmcia-source_2.9.1-2.deb
rex/binary-all/wg15-locale_2-2.deb
rex-updates/localebin_5.4.20-1.deb
rex-updates/xlib_3.2-1a.1.deb (ouch!).
Put these files where you can get to them from the base floppy
loaded
system.
2. Follow instructions in stable/disks-i386/1997-01-18/install.txt,
upto the point where you are put into dselect.
3. Exit dselect immediately. The following steps will repair the LDR
problems.
4. Mount your cdrom somewhere (/cdrom).
5. The following is a script I wrote to create a directory on the hard
drive with good symbolic links. I make no claim for its being the
best way. But, it did work.
start script next line
# make a local debian installation directory to fix InfoMagic mess
# IMPORTANT -- cd to top of cdrom to run
# some handy variables
HDDIR=/root/stable/binary-i386
CDDIR=stable/binary-i386
CDMNT=$(pwd)
# delete previous attempts, if any
rm -rf /root/stable
# make directories
mkdir /root/stable
mkdir $HDDIR
for FILE in $CDDIR/*
do
if [ -d $FILE ]
then
mkdir $HDDIR/$(basename $FILE)
fi
done
# copy and expand packages file
cp $CDDIR/Packages.gz $HDDIR
gunzip $HDDIR/Packages.gz
# make lists of files
awk '/^Filename/ {print $2}' $HDDIR/Packages $HDDIR/files1
awk '{gsub(stable/binary-i386/,); print}' $HDDIR/files1
$HDDIR/files2
# make links
for FILE in $(cat $HDDIR/files2)
do
if [ -e rex-updates/binary-i386/$(basename $FILE) ]; then
ln -s $CDMNT/rex-updates/binary-i386/$(basename $FILE) $HDDIR/$FILE
else [ -e rex/binary-i386/$FILE ]
ln -s $CDMNT/rex/binary-i386/$FILE $HDDIR/$FILE
fi
done
end script previous line
6. Unmount your cdrom.
7. Remove the files (symbolic links) for the files downloaded
previously.
stable/binary-i386/admin/pcmcia-cs_2.9.1-2.deb
stable/binary-i386/admin/pcmcia-modules-2.0.27_2.9.1-2.deb
stable/binary-i386/admin/pcmcia-modules-2.0.29_2.9.1-2.deb
stable/binary-i386/admin/pcmcia-source_2.9.1-2.deb
stable/binary-i386/admin/wg15-locale_2-2.deb
stable/binary-i386/devel/localebin_5.4.20-1.deb
stable/binary-i386/x11/xlib6_3.2-1a.1.deb
8. Copy the downloaded files into the appropriate directories
(listed above).
9. Mount your cdrom.
10. Run dselect and choose the already mounted filesystem option.
Specify /root as toplevel directory, none for other
directories.
11. Note - not specific to LDR - some of the packages installed from
the
floppies have upgrades on the cdrom since the floopy images were
made.
You may want to install these first in the first dselect session.
12. Note -- not specific to LDR - don't try to install everything at
once.
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Re: No support of BIOS power management for SCSI disks?
According to Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK. First of all, you will have to build a custom kernel to get APM support, as the generic kernel does not have it. Why? Because some machines have bad APM BIOS and crash on installation if we leave it in. We know of at least one laptop that does this. Hm, I don't have a laptop and the help text for this kernel option says: : Generally, if you don't have a battery in your machine, there isn't much : point in using this driver. So, I guess turning this option on doesn't help me much, right? When I turn on the HDD power saving in the BIOS setup I don't see (or should I write 'hear' :-) that any of my 2 SCSI disks is turned off after a specific idle time. So, I guess the BIOS only supports IDE disks, right? Since Linux is not using the BIOS hard disk driver in any case, you should not use the BIOS hard disk timeout. I'm not sure if the hdparm tool will tell a SCSI disk when it can spin down or not. Thanks for this pointer. Unfortunately, you were right: 'hdparm' can't handle SCSI disks. You might install hwutils and try that. I haven't found this yet, but will check it out. Is Linux using the BIOS APM settings (CPU frequency lowering etc.) at all? Thanks a lot for your hints! Andy. Andy Spiegl, PhD Student, Technical University, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: rsh or ssh and authorization over a masqueraded connection.
Use RSA User authentication instead of RSA Host authentication. You need to run keygen and then put your public key on the host you want to reach. Get rid of the .shosts file and the pain of passwords is gone. You can put your private key on any account you want to use to connect from. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Is it possible to set up password free logins (for rsh or ssh) to a : server via a masqueraded connection? I spent quite a bit of time : recently trying to figure this out, and it seemed like the host really : didn't want to let this happen. Something about incoming connections : from a non-privileged port being used. : [ server ] --- ppp --- [ masquerading host ] --- [masqueraded host] : The connections go through without a hitch when I try from the : masquerading host but won't work from the masqueraded host, even when : I'm careful (for ssh) about the known_hosts and .shosts file contents. -- --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- Please always CC me when replying to posts on mailing lists. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
I've been thinking about the entire newbie/documentation thing a lot lately. There has to be a way for newbies to get into the /usr/doc/*/*gz files before they know about gzip, zcat and zless. And there has to be a way of saying RTFM without being rude. I think it's more than simply saying RTFM. For myself, I've found many cases where the FM isn't decipherable. Having seens countless shareware programs from the DOS world I'm constantly amazed at the documentation of unix programs. I don't mean this to knock the programmers, I'm just stating something that many newbies see. Yes, there should be a way to make sure that newbies RTFM. But there also has to be an outlet for newbies to get clarification and answers after pulling their hair out from reading the FM. | Debian GNU/ __ o Regards, |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ .| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / Randy| // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | ...because lockups are for convicts... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: Midnight Commander (mc) could fill this role. As it happens the current version is broken to the extent that it does not know how to access .deb files. There is a bug report on this which is a month old but mc is still useful as it can handle .gz files and the like. The bug is easily fixed, BTW. mc_3.5.17-1.deb has two copies of mc.ext. One is right and one is wrong. The right version is in the wrong place. If you have this problem mv /etc/mc.ext /etc/mc/ Good idea. Could a simple question Are you new to Debian/GNU Linux? be added to the script for the first time run, so that access to mc comes in immediately for the newbies. I guess it would require mc, curses and some of the docs moving into base though, or for the answer to the question to run dpkg (dpkg-ftp) after the system is installed. Then mc macros could be added for the newbie, so that they have access to those docs. Coolest idea yet! I remember when Debian (and Linux in general) was a weird new world for me; MC made it at least fathomable. Relied on it pretty heavily. Now I seldom use it (except when I wanna dwell in Nostalgia), but am glad it was there. . . | /-\ (-) /-\ --- Linux: The OS people choose without $200,000,000 of persuasion --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: rsh or ssh and authorization over a masqueraded connection.
Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You need to run keygen and then put your public key on the host you want to reach. Get rid of the .shosts file and the pain of passwords is gone. You can put your private key on any account you want to use to connect from. I had tried that, but that still requires you to type the pass phrase. I'm looking for a method that doesn't. Normally you can use .rhosts or .shosts for this, but I can't get it to work through a masqueraded connection. The reason I *need* to do this is because I need to be able to access a cvs server from the masqueraded machine. Thanks -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: rsh or ssh and authorization over a masqueraded connection.
On 9 Jun 1997, Rob Browning wrote: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You need to run keygen and then put your public key on the host you want to reach. Get rid of the .shosts file and the pain of passwords is gone. You can put your private key on any account you want to use to connect from. I had tried that, but that still requires you to type the pass phrase. I'm looking for a method that doesn't. Normally you can use ..rhosts or .shosts for this, but I can't get it to work through a masqueraded connection. You can simply decrypt the private key and then no passwords are required. The reason I *need* to do this is because I need to be able to access a cvs server from the masqueraded machine. It works just fine over here. --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
broken pipe
Ok, I finally have to break down and ask a potential dumb question: What the heck is a 'broken pipe'? I get these from time to time on my Debian box. Thanks, Tim - LINUX 2.0.6 i486 Because reboots are for upgrades!! - Please direct Email to: tjobrien(at)traveller.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
fdos, and ncftp
Two questions: I'm trying to set up a Debian system using a disk from Cheap*Bytes (part of their 5-disk set). dselect says for a couple of packages (i.e. dosemu) that fdos is recommended, but not available. In fact, a search of the Debian FTP structure shows that there *is* no fdos package. What's up? This is Debian 1.2. On the same topic, dselect wants a local directory which isn't on the C*B CD. I hear they leave stuff out, so I'm not shocked. However, dselect also insists that there's a local directory on the FTP site, which there is not. I'm confused. As for NcFTP -- can a mere newbie user request a new package? I'm used to NcFTP, which I've used on Panix (Sun) and on my home machine under OS/2. Sure, I could compile it myself, but I'm afraid that as soon as I do, a package would be released and I'd have a hard time upgrading. :-) Thanks. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum http://dm.net -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: rsh or ssh and authorization over a masqueraded connection.
Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can simply decrypt the private key and then no passwords are required. I couldn't figure out how to do that, but isn't that a little unsafe? After some more investigation, it looks like the way ssh wants you to do this is with ssh-agent and ssh-add. All you have to do is launch an rxvt with ssh agent like this: ssh-agent rxvt then add your pass phrase to the agent like this: ssh-add and you'll be able to connect to any server holding your public identity in ~./ssh/authorized_keys without typing the pass phrase repeatedly. This appears to be a way to get around the problems with rsh from a masqueraded host, and will allow cvs access. The security is an added bonus, I suppose. Thanks -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Non-interactive modem hangup
On Sat, 7 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know a simple command or tool to hang up the modem? Just hang it up, not stay connected to the tty and await more commands. What I'm after is something simple I can put into a script for sudo to kill the ppp daemon and also hang up the line, freeing /dev/ttyS1 immediately (rather than waiting for the ISP to idle out the line and hang up on me). It might or might not suit you, but the _diald_ package is EXCELLENT! It automatically monitors the network traffic, and when it will log out automagically for you when you are done, say, surfing the web. :) You can also force it to stay up or block connection by using the _dctrl_ utility (which runs under X). You can also write some small scripts to send signals to _diald_, accomplishing the same things. :) When you tell diald to go down, it will hang up for you. :) I *love* it! :) Anthony -- Anthony Fok Tung-Ling[EMAIL PROTECTED] Civil Engineeringhttp://www.ualberta.ca/~foka/ University of Alberta, CanadaKeep smiling! *^_^* -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
debian-user is for users, all users, and I think it should stay that way. Yes the volume is high, but there's something to be said for keeping everyone on equal footing. I don't read debian-user every day, but most days. I try to get to it fairly regularly and answer questions when I can. If you create somthing like debian-guru you're just asking for many of the knowledgable people to leave debian-user and never look back. What I think we really need is a good debian-user FAQ, so that we can point people to that. (I think I recall that someone's already working on this.) opinion proferred -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
Those packages are in the non-free or contrib sections which are usually not included on CD-Rom. Try ftp.debian.org. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Two questions: : I'm trying to set up a Debian system using a disk from Cheap*Bytes : (part of their 5-disk set). dselect says for a couple of packages : (i.e. dosemu) that fdos is recommended, but not available. In fact, a : search of the Debian FTP structure shows that there *is* no fdos : package. : What's up? : This is Debian 1.2. : On the same topic, dselect wants a local directory which isn't on : the C*B CD. I hear they leave stuff out, so I'm not shocked. : However, dselect also insists that there's a local directory on the : FTP site, which there is not. I'm confused. : As for NcFTP -- can a mere newbie user request a new package? I'm : used to NcFTP, which I've used on Panix (Sun) and on my home machine : under OS/2. Sure, I could compile it myself, but I'm afraid that as : soon as I do, a package would be released and I'd have a hard time : upgrading. :-) : Thanks. : -- : Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum : http://dm.net : -- : TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . : Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- +++ --- Please always CC me when replying to posts on mailing lists. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: broken pipe
I think it is a problem of bash package. I downgrade to 1.14 from debian 1.2 and no more broken pipe. Last time, tetex warned that my system was in a inconsistent state and I suspected it is casued by the broken pipe. Lawrence, Tim O'Brien wrote: Ok, I finally have to break down and ask a potential dumb question: What the heck is a 'broken pipe'? I get these from time to time on my Debian box. Thanks, Tim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DLINK-220 (was Re: rogers wave cable access....)
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote: D-Link 220's are PnP NE-2000 clones. If you get isapnptools you should be able to configure the card in linux and then use the ne driver. I have tried to do this without success. I tried pnpdump without any options, but it only listed my AWE32 and modem. When I did this, it looked at regport 0x203. Is there a possiility that the dlink220 is on another regport? Cheers, Colin. You can turn PnP mode off on D-Links, so that they will function as a plain NE-2000 mode. You can set all this via the configuration diskette that comes with there card. For the reference, I use the 200 PnP (in the NE2k mode) on my Linux server, and in my other Linux workstation. If you don't have the diskette, you can get it from the FTP server or Web server from D-Link. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, John Foster wrote: OK, how's this then: 'Normal' users (like myself) post to the 'user' list. Access to the guru list is restricted to Maintainers, Administrators of reasonable sized installations etc. But that would recreate the debian-devel list wouldn't it? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: broken pipe
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Tim O'Brien wrote: Ok, I finally have to break down and ask a potential dumb question: What the heck is a 'broken pipe'? I get these from time to time on my Debian box. A pipe is when the standard output of one program is fed to the standard input of another. These types of programs are commonly called filters. Even DOS has them. For example, ps -auwx | grep ping will show the ping processes running. The | is the pipe character. A broken pipe is when one of the programs terminates abnormally (either one, I think). In a normal situation the second program would detect an EOF from the first and everything closes cleanly. ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: broken pipe
On Mon, 09 Jun 1997 22:49:22 CDT Tim O'Brien ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote: Ok, I finally have to break down and ask a potential dumb question: What the heck is a 'broken pipe'? I get these from time to time on my Debian box. Err, first what is a pipe ? A pipe a channel between two processes: everything that the first process will write (to stdout) will be read (from stdin) (it can also happen for other file descriptors, no always stdin and stdout). Normally when the first process writing to the pipe has completed, it closes the pipe, and the second process, reading the pipe ends gracefully. But if the second process terminates while the first is still writing to the pipe, the first process gets a broken pipe signal (SIGPIPE). Eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~% yes | sh -c 'kill $$' zsh: 14466 broken pipe yes | zsh: 14467 terminated sh -c kill $$ The shell (zsh) reports that the first process died of sigpipe while the second terminated unexpectedly (a SIGTERM actually). You might want to read: pipe(2) signal(7) A good book about unix. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Resuming interrupted download from http-site
I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? Johann Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsorlaan 19 Pietermaritzburg 3201 Suid Afrika (South Africa) Tel. Nr. 0331-46-1310 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X server via network.
On 9 Jun 1997, Chris Brown wrote: The other day I set up a couple of new machines and decided to monitor then from home. One thng that I thought would be nice was to run the procmeter on the remote machine. I'v never run any applications on X via a network connection befor so I thought this would be interesting. After doing an rlogin and setting the DISPLAY environvent variable like so: foo.bar.com:0.0. I ran the procmeter and it said that it didn't have permission to connect to the X server. Somewhere there must be a file that I need to grant this permission in but I am not familiar enough with X to know about this one and I'm not even sure where to look. Can someone point me in the right direction. You need to tell your local machine that X connections from your remote ones are allowed. This is done using xhost. Here's an example: Your remote machine is remote.foobar.com, your local one local.foobar.com; On your local machine, type xhost + remote.foobar.com, on the remote one, type setenv DISPLAY local.foobar.com:0.0 (C Shell) or export DISPLAY=local.foobar.com:0.0 (Bourne Shell). You should now be able to get what you wanted. Warning: anybody can display a program on your own Display once you've granted permissions with xhost. [META ON] Curiously, SUN workstations seem to refuse granting remote Linux workstations such rights... Apparently, the two machine's domains must be the same. [META OFF] Hope it helps, Seb. --- Sébastien Phélep - Etudiant en deuxième année d'informatique, IUT de Vannes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
su: (to nobody) root on none
This string frequently appears in my auth.log. Does it mean that something wrong with security? Thanks in advance, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: su: (to nobody) root on none
On Jun 10, Eugene Sevinian wrote This string frequently appears in my auth.log. Does it mean that something wrong with security? Probably not. It is most likely a result of your system running /etc/cron.daily/find, which updates the database used by locate; this update is done as nobody for security reasons. HTH, Ray -- UNFAIR Term applied to advantages enjoyed by other people which we tried to cheat them out of and didn't manage. See also DISHONESTY, SNEAKY, UNDERHAND and JUST LUCKY I GUESS. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Updating Debian home system from machine connected to network
As the pretty longish subject already indicates, I would like to allow my users (including myself ;-) ) to update there home system from our Debian machines which are connected to the internet. The scheme we currently use works as follows: 1) At home, copy your whole /var/lib/dpkg tree to a Zip Disk 2) At Institute, mount Zip Disk, make /var/lib/dpkg link to /zip/dpkg and with dselect update This works but of course is far from ideal for obvious reasons (i. e. the second step). So, I checked out '--admindir=' for dselect but that did not work as expected. I can't be more precise at the moment because I do not exactly know what is acually happening. One point is simply that the package list isn't updated when I use something like 'dselect --admindir=/zip/dpkg' and, consequently, I can't update anything. So my question is: What am I doing wrong with dselect or is there another program suited for this task. Many thanks in advanc! Regards, Andree -- | Institute of Geophysics phone: +49 40 4123 4389 ANDREE LEIDENFROST | University of Hamburg fax: +49 40 4123 5441 Geophysicist | Bundesstrasse 55 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | D-20146 Hamburgwww: www.app-geoph.dkrz.de -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
From: George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] create a default fvwm popup menu when you click on the root window. The first item in that window is Help on Linux. Selecting that gives the next layer popup that includes links to such things as the woven docs (FAQ's, HOWTO's, etc in HTML) and launches a browser to read them. Seems to me the first step would be in deciding on a default standard X window manager and then going on to the default menus from there. Our menu package already adds menus to _many_ different window managers, and to character-oriented shells as well. Our dwww package need only register a menu entry Help with Linux, and it would appear. The biggest missing piece right now is that menu and dwww are not installed by default, and there should be an easy check box that gets the beginner a GUI-enabled system with them installed. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Unrecognized output from ldd: --list
I am trying to rebuild python, using libc6. During the build of the python-misc package, I get an error from dpkg-shlibdeps unknown output from ldd on dlmodule.so: --list (0x) Indeed, when I execute ldd, I get artasp1# ldd ./dlmodule.so libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40005000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40008000) --list = --list (0x) My question is what does the dependency --list mean? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Fredrik == Fredrik Ax [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fredrik On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, DANIEL STRINGFIELD wrote: I'm not personally thrilled with the high volume, but I wouldn't Fredrik I couldn't agree more to this. After all this is a Fredrik debian-USER list. Me too. One should not forget that if all non-strictly-debian stuff are banned, it would force even casual users such as my self to start following other forums such as the linux newsgroups, and I believe I would quickly end up with even more volume than we currently are seeing on this list. As it is now, I can get by just reading debian-user and has no pressing need to follow any linux newsgroups. But it seems likely that another debian list or two perhaps could help organizing the volume a bit. ---+-- Christian Lynbech | Computer Science Department, University of Aarhus Office: R0.32 | Ny Munkegade, Building 540, DK-8000 Aarhus C Phone: +45 8942 3218 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.daimi.aau.dk/~lynbech ---+-- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Petonic) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Max == Max Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Max Although the creation of a 'Debian-guru' list would have the same Max effect as creating a 'Debian-newbie' list. Everybody would ask Max their questions on the guru list ... A better approach could be to do a functional split, such as a debian-X11, debian-config or debian-dist. This would reduce volume on the main list without having people crossposting all over the place to be sure to get an answer. Of course finding the right split is not easy, but with a little statistic on the distribution of subjects in the past, one should be able to get a sensible partitioning. And there must not be too many; 2-4 max. ---+-- Christian Lynbech | Computer Science Department, University of Aarhus Office: R0.32 | Ny Munkegade, Building 540, DK-8000 Aarhus C Phone: +45 8942 3218 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.daimi.aau.dk/~lynbech ---+-- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Petonic) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X server via network.
Sebastien Phelep [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your remote machine is remote.foobar.com, your local one local.foobar.com; On your local machine, type xhost + remote.foobar.com, on the remote one, type setenv DISPLAY local.foobar.com:0.0 (C Shell) or export DISPLAY=local.foobar.com:0.0 (Bourne Shell). You should now be able to get what you wanted. Warning: anybody can display a program on your own Display once you've granted permissions with xhost. You would be safer to use xauth. Then only you can access the display. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Resuming interrupted download from http-site
Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? I think, but I'm not sure, that wget will do what you want. See man wget for more details. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
zip ECP/EPP driver?
Does anyone know the new URL for the ECP/PP driver for Zip parallel port drive? (By Dave Campbell). He seems to have disappeared from the last location, at curtin.edu.au. Thanks, Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [ ] 47% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
As for NcFTP -- can a mere newbie user request a new package? I'm used to NcFTP, which I've used on Panix (Sun) and on my home machine under OS/2. Sure, I could compile it myself, but I'm afraid that as soon as I do, a package would be released and I'd have a hard time upgrading. :-) There already is a package with ncftp. It is in the non-free tree on any decent debian-ftp-server. You won't find the non-free tree on most Cheap-CDs like Cheap-Bytes (I think) or Infomagic's (I know) NcFTP is really a great FTP-programm, I think. Yours Frank -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
Hi Listers, As the proud new user of a cable modem from Rogers cable here in Canada and I can say that the configuration was very easy. No need for dhcpd(sp?) clients at all. 1. The ethernet device is a SMC Etherez 8416, which was supported by SMC-Ultra in the kernel. (I think other users may get a 3com...so either way the kernel supports them.) 2. I was assigned a static IP address, told the netmask, and gateway machine. I set up the ethernet device, set up the routes, then changed my current configs to point at the new name servers, ect.bingo. It is very fast, but there aren't many people on it yet, remember this is just a test. I grabbed a new kernel from sunsite with netscape in windows, and watched as it climbed to 34k/s. I know it isn't scientific by any means, but that is 10X faster than anything I've achieved with my 28.8 modem. Surfing the net is actually fun againquake is really nice too. Price, when it rolls out is in the $50-60/month range, I knew you'd be curious.no, I don't work for them.. Rich Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
still unhosing my compiler
So my compiler is still hosed. I've written pretty detailed info to this list already about it, and got some helpful suggestions (thanks!). However, my compiler is still hosed. I can't link even the most trivial program--I get this sort of smack: /tmp/cca278371.o: In function `main': /tmp/cca278371.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `_stdprintf' This is *not* an error related to this program (or makefile, command line for gcc, etc). This is a hosed compiler and/or linker problem. Reinstalling binutils, gcc, libc, libc-dev, libbfd, and just about everything else under the sun does not seem to fix the problem. However, I would like much to get my compiler back on-line. If I don't get any other suggestions, I guess I'll have to reinstall from _scratch_ But there has to be a better way, right? Is there a way for me to force dpkg into reinstalling _everything_? Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 Linux 2.0.27 #1 Thu May 22 00:05:30 CDT 1997 i686 unknown thanks --sf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
cs4232c sound card
Hi. I have a no-name CS4232c-Crystal-PnP-based card with an on-board IDE (CD-ROM) controller, which is positively 16-bit, but which i can only make it work as an 8-bit SB Pro, with no MIDI (which is also a waste since OPL3 and MPU-401 are supported). The trick: i _have_ to boot DOS, use the DOS card-driver to initialize it and LOADLIN afterwards, since i _want_ the CD-ROM controller, and linux can't configure it (CS4232 support is only about sound, and even if it was about IDE, it would have to initialize the CS4232 _before_ IDE initialization). But if the card is already initialized when sound-driver inits, CS4232 linux-driver can't be used (correct me if i'm wrong - i couldn't make sense of the 'help'-text about CS4232 - i've tried compilation but failed - no sound) So, i'm stuck with 8-bit SB Pro, with no MIDI (why is that anyway?). I also tried out MSS support which is also supported by the card, but i got no sound at all (i also couldn't make sense of the 'help' text about ports and such). Any ideas? here is the output of the dos-driver: CrystalWare(tm) CS4232 Audio Initialization Utility, Version 1.70 Copyright(c) 1993-96 Crystal Semiconductor Corp. All Rights Reserved. * Testing for SIS IOCHRDY chipset. * Making sure cs4232 is in wait for key state. * Override Plug N Play Configuration. * Isolating all cards. * Sending Key WSS: I/O = 534, IRQ = 5, DMA0 = 1, DMA1 = 0. OPL3: I/O = 388, IRQ = Disabled. SBpro: I/O = 220. Joystick: I/O = 200. 4232 Ctrl: I/O = 128, IRQ = Disabled. MPU-401: I/O = 330, IRQ = 9. Logical Device 4: I/O = 1E8, 3EE, IRQ = 11, DMA = Disabled. Logical device 5 disabled. * Card is Configured. * Modifying blaster environment variable. * Loading Minicode for CS4236 * Temporarily Muting Master Volume. * Downloading CS4236 Firmware Code, Version 55. * Restoring Master Volume. * Both Crystals and DMA timing on. * Updating driver settings. Thanks to you all. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Robin Rowe wrote: The umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or reliability, only size. Was this a false claim? No. Nowadays this is true. In the past (1.2 kernels) UMSDOS was rather slow. Ext2 however still is more stable I believe. Nils - -- \ /| Nils Rennebarth --* WINDOWS 42 *-- | Schillerstr. 61 / \| 37083 Göttingen | ++49-551-71626 Micro$oft's final answer | http://www.nus.de/~nils -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBM50cSVptA0IhBm0NAQGfoAL/aNKDB/Wb8E/IDuUpWdtikdrGNtKR2bZZ zhEQBtGr76a3bhd0kVEuy3qn3k1YtntRxzSzFRTmJ3mvHkUBVZQGfip8yV4MlNPv 9uWQqB7uP42QSMszTiHjZmNlWxZzpCOt =lcYv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Max Stevens wrote: :0: * ^TOdebian-user debian-user If match * ^To.*debian-user you will miss all CC:ed and BCC:ed mail to the list. You will also miss all mail that have named the list e.g. Debian Mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] One solution would be to match * ^(To|Cc)[EMAIL PROTECTED] which will get all mails whith debian-user@ somewhere on the lines beginning with To or Cc. This method is very usefull for list that don't add a header.. which the debian-lists fortunatly do. The best alternative would therefore be to match the added header instead: :0:/home/fax/mail/incoming/debian-user.lock * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/fax/mail/incoming/debian-user /fax -- +- Fredrik Ax -+-- Snailmail --+- Where to reach me on the net -+ |\\|// | Kämnärsvägen 13 E:202 | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | @ @ | S-226 46 LUND, SWEDEN | WWW: http://www.df.lth.se/~fax | +-oOO-(_)-OOo--+---++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
booting Debian from CD or harddisk
Hello! I'm trying to boot Debian directly from CD (mitsumi) or harddisk (IDE) using loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=root.bin from PC DOS 7 everything works fine, but after Uncompressing Linux... ran out of input data My test system has 8 MB of RAM where should I search the error. I've tried different kernels and root-Images from the disks-i386 directory (4.4.97 and 20.05.97, but not the actual one from 06.06.) Any Ideas? Thanks Christian -- Christian Leutloff, Aachen, Germany eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oche.de/~leutloff/ Debian/GNU Linux! Mehr unter http://www.debian.org/ pgpjyeQt71wjP.pgp Description: PGP signature
erroneous messages at bootup?
Hi, I recently upgraded several packages to unstable, (probably a bad idea, but hey, I like living on the edge ;). Most notably, I upgraded sysklogd to 1.3-6. Now, when I boot, I get this message: starting /sbin/syslogd ... sysklogd: line 21: 451 Interrupt start-stop-daemon --start --verbose --exec /sbin/syslogd starting /sbin/klogd ... (actually, replace that `sysklogd' on the second line with the full path in the rcN.d directory.. like /etc/rc3.d/20sysklogd ..). Whats really odd is that regardless of the message, it starts syslogd fine. So I'm mostly curious just *why* it dirties up my bootup with its interrupt messages. Oh, one more question .. How do I get diald to hang up after a period of idle connection? I've had no trouble getting it to dial on demand, but then it just stays connected, even when I leave the connection idle for long periods. Would pppd's lcp-echo thing cause it to think the link was active? --Nick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
(i.e. dosemu) that fdos is recommended, but not available. In fact, a search of the Debian FTP structure shows that there *is* no fdos package. What's up? With the new package of dosemu, fdos comes as part of dosemu and therefore isn't used as a separate package any more. | Debian GNU/ __ o Regards, |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ .| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / Randy| // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | ...because lockups are for convicts... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Jun 10, Fredrik Ax wrote On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Max Stevens wrote: :0: * ^TOdebian-user ^^^ debian-user If match * ^To.*debian-user you will miss all CC:ed and BCC:ed mail to ^^^ ^TO != ^To. TO also catches Cc and Bcc. See procmailrc(5): | If the regular expression contains `^TO' it will be substituted by | `(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X-Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To): | (.*[^a-zA-Z])?)', which should catch all destination specifications. HTH, Ray -- Cyberspace, a final frontier. These are the voyages of my messages, on a lightspeed mission to explore strange new systems and to boldly go where no data has gone before. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Saving logfiles
Hello, Debian comes with an automated saving and rotating of logfiles. This seems to be nice in most cases. We need to save logfiles for a long time. Therefor we cant rotate them. My question is if somebody has adapted cron and savelog scripts to save actual logfiles with date extensions and move old logfiles to a special directory. Im also interested in a mechanism to transmit old logfiles from a number of machines to a centralized backup facility. Would be nice to hear about if somebody has already done such a setup or started to do so. bye, Karsten -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
perl 4.003-4 chat2.pl
How can port my programs that require chat2.pl; making it to work with perl 4.004? es. chat::close($fh); ? Thank you and bye! Andrea Arcangeli -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Our menu package already adds menus to _many_ different window managers, and to character-oriented shells as well. Our dwww package need only register a menu entry Help with Linux, and it would appear. The biggest missing piece right now is that menu and dwww are not installed by default, and there should be an easy check box that gets the beginner a GUI-enabled system with them installed. Bruce, I agree except that a GUI should be 'icing on the cake' and not a default. What's nice about the dwww approach is that a local apache installs easily and so does lynx. I did a 1.3 install yesterday and didn't have a clue as to the mouse type and video card that would finally be in the system. The apache/dwww/lynx combo doesn't need X. We should really encourage the installation and use of these because the later transition from lynx to an X-based browser is easy on the user. Whereever it is safe to do so, this could be expanded on. A good example is the CGI/perl scripts for common commands like 'who'. Why not start a collection of these so the user can get some system information using the same interface? +--+ + Paul Wade Greenbush Technologies Corporation + + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greenbush.com/ + +--+ + http://www.greenbush.com/cds.html Special Linux CD offer + +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: perl 4.003-4 chat2.pl
On Jun 10, Andrea Arcangeli wrote How can port my programs that require chat2.pl; making it to work with perl 4.004? 5.004, you mean? es. chat::close($fh); Randal Schwartz (author of chat2.pl) has made some Usenet postings on this: - go to URL:http://www.dejanews.com - select power search - select create a query filter - enter newsgroups: comp.lang.perl* select - search for chat2 schwartz select find Hope this helps, Ray -- J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid. | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Resuming interrupted download from http-site
At 03:45 AM 6/10/97 -0500, Rob Browning wrote: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? I think, but I'm not sure, that wget will do what you want. See man wget for more details. http is a stateless protocol whereas ftp does maintain state. It's hard to deal with an interruptted transfer without state. This is similar to what NFS does to maintain a connection in the face of the server, say, rebooting. While not completely inconceivable to maintain state with http, which is what cookies do, this would be difficult. There is in HTTP 1.1 a provision for a persistent connection, which does have support for interrupted responses. Apache 1.2b10 is HTTP 1.1 compliant, though I can't speak to how well it handles this provision. I believe the 3.0 versions of Netscape and Explorer are HTTP 1.1, but I can't vouch for that. -- Dirk Herr-Hoyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] DANEnet, Connecting Dane County's Communities http://danenet.wicip.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: rlogin breaks terminal console
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: I'v got a strange phenomenon: sometimes when I close the rlogin connection started from console (not xterm), the console appeared to be broken - all the output is confined in the last line of the screen. I've encountered the same problem. It often seems to be related to the use of pine on a remote (rlogged-into) machine. I've had the same kind of problem lately when: -in an xterm dialing in with minicom to my isp -from the isp's shell telnetting to another machine -running pine.. It (output confined to bottom line) only happens after I've tried to resize the screen parameters with 'stty rows xx' on the isp's and other machine. Ususally, pine will work more or less (screen gets garbled al too easily though.) I'm quite baffled by this behaviour. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Saving logfiles
At 02:15 PM 6/10/97 +0200, Karsten wrote:
Hello,
Debian comes with an automated saving and rotating of logfiles.
This seems to be nice in most cases. We need to save logfiles
for a long time. Therefor we cant rotate them.
My question is if somebody has adapted cron and savelog scripts
to save actual logfiles with date extensions and move old
logfiles to a special directory.
I have done this, but not with savelog. It's just as easy to write your
own scripts for this task. Here is one that works with the Apache web
server [note these are all custom setups not the default Debian one]. We
run this daily at the crack of midnite:
#!/bin/sh
# Name: rollover
#
# Description: Rollover log files for Web server.
ROOTDIR=/infosys/www/danenet
LOGDIR=$ROOTDIR/logs
ARCHIVEDIR=$ROOTDIR/logs
LOGS=httpd error
if [ $1 = yesterday ] ; then
DATE=yesterday
else
DATE=today
fi
TIMESTAMP=`date +%Y-%m-%d -d $DATE`
$ROOTDIR/bin/stop
for logfile in $LOGS ; do
mv $LOGDIR/$logfile.log $ARCHIVEDIR/${logfile}${TIMESTAMP}.log
done
$ROOTDIR/bin/start
for logfile in $LOGS ; do
gzip -f $ARCHIVEDIR/${logfile}${TIMESTAMP}.log
done
==
Note that Apache has more than one log file, so I just designate a LOG
directory and consider every file with a .log extension to be a logfile.
This process gzips the logs. Although we are using the same LOG directory
for storing the gzip files, there is no reason you couldn't use another.
By using gunzip -c logfile.gz | you can create a data stream for a report
generator that reads stdin. This works well with Analog. And you can
easily select log files by date. Single day, week, or month, those are all
easily done with gunzip -c logfile$DATE*.gz.
Naturally, your report generators have to know where to find your gzipped
logs as well as being able to read data from stdin for this to work.
Analog, as noted, does this. If you wanted to use this scheme for user
accounting, say with sac, you'd have to create a frontend to gunzip to a
temp file and then run sac -f.
Im also interested in a
mechanism to transmit old logfiles from a number of machines to
a centralized backup facility.
That would be a matter of doing
cp logfile$DATE*.gz $DESTINATION
rm logfile$DATE*.gz
Obviously you'd have to play around with this according to your archival
policy. Say you were going to do this every 3 months, archiving the files
more than 3 months old. You can get at this date with gnu date (standard
for Linux) by
date -date '-3months'
Mon Mar 10 08:04:15 CST 1997
or use the datestamp I've shown above
date +%Y-%m-%d -date '-3months'
1997-03-10
perhaps you just want the year month part
date +%Y-%m-%d -date '-3months'
1997-03
so on and so forth. The key here is that the date command does a lot of
the hard work for you, no need to deal with tricky calendar date convensions.
--
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DANEnet, Connecting Dane County's Communities
http://danenet.wicip.org
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Re: lpr: unable to get official name for local machine (fwd) fixed.
Name resolving works again on my machines! Still don't know what exactly happened though. It seems that the reason for bind not working out of the 1.3-box for me, is that I answered 'cr' where I should have answered 'nonecr' to bindconfig (at least that is the only difference that I can think of.) Looking at the files, the big difference was a missing '@' in front of the line for localhost. When I placed the '@' back in the configuration file on the machine that had a working named before the 1.3 upgrade, it worked again as well. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There already is a package with ncftp. It is in the non-free tree on any decent debian-ftp-server. You won't find the non-free tree on most Cheap-CDs like Cheap-Bytes (I think) or Infomagic's (I know) You guessed wrong. Cheap-Bytes includes the whole contrib and selected files from non-free. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Fredrik Ax wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Max Stevens wrote: :0: * ^TOdebian-user ^^^See this. debian-user If match * ^To.*debian-user you will miss all CC:ed and BCC:ed mail to the list. You will also miss all mail that have named the list e.g. Debian Mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope! From the procmailrc man page: MISCELLANEOUS If the regular expression contains `^TO' it will be sub- stituted by `(^((Original-)?(Resent-)?(To|Cc|Bcc)|(X- Envelope|Apparently(-Resent)?)-To):(.*[^a-zA-Z])?)', which should catch all destination specifications. If the regular expression contains `^FROM_DAEMON' it will be substituted by `(^(Precedence:.*(junk|bulk|list) |(((Resent-)?(From|Sender)|X-Envelope-From):|?From )(.*[^([EMAIL PROTECTED])?(Post(ma?(st(e?r)?|n)|office) |(send)?Mail(er)?|daemon|mmdf|root|n?uucp|smtp|response BuGless 1994/10/31 12 One solution would be to match * ^(To|Cc)[EMAIL PROTECTED] which will get all mails whith debian-user@ somewhere on the lines beginning with To or Cc. This method is very usefull for list that don't add a header.. which the debian-lists fortunatly do. The best alternative would therefore be to match the added header instead: :0:/home/fax/mail/incoming/debian-user.lock * ^X-Mailing-List:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/fax/mail/incoming/debian-user http://www.sound.net/~wpmills/ - : W. Paul Mills : Bill, I was there several years ago. : : Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. : Why would I want to go back tomorrow?: : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Where were you! : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Linux: Tomorrow's operating system, : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] :here, today. : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : compuserve 70023,1750 : #define MY_TRUE_LOVE computer: -- http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: fdos, and ncftp
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Carl Fink wrote: Two questions: I'll leave the other for someone else, since I installed dosemu by getting the sources and compiling it myself. As for NcFTP -- can a mere newbie user request a new package? I'm used to NcFTP, which I've used on Panix (Sun) and on my home machine under OS/2. Sure, I could compile it myself, but I'm afraid that as soon as I do, a package would be released and I'd have a hard time upgrading. :-) ncftp is in the non-free directory at ftp.debian.org (obviously not on the cd-rom). Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AX.25:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
Hi, sorry for this question that is not 100% related to Debian... I need to connect about 3 branch offices to our e-mail system. These branch offices are in different cities and will be connected to our offices via dial-up connections (no permanent connections in the beginning.) I am wondering what's the best ways to provide this sites with access to our e-mail system. I am considering to use UUCP but don't know if PPP+Sendmail hack is better. If UUCP is the way to go, how is the UUCP package for Debian? Is it a proven solution? Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Richard Morin wrote: As the proud new user of a cable modem from Rogers cable here in Canada and I can say that the configuration was very easy. No need for dhcpd(sp?) clients at all 1. The ethernet device is a SMC Etherez 8416, which was supported by SMC-Ultra in the kernel. (I think other users may get a 3com...so either way the kernel supports them.) 2. I was assigned a static IP address, told the netmask, and gateway machine. I set up the ethernet device, set up the routes, then changed my current configs to point at the new name servers, ect.bingo. It is very fast, but there aren't many people on it yet, remember this is just a test. I grabbed a new kernel from sunsite with netscape in windows, and watched as it climbed to 34k/s. I know it isn't scientific by any means, but that is 10X faster than anything I've achieved with my 28.8 modem. This is not the case with the Wave in Burlington, Ontario (via CableNet which I think leases the technology from Rogers). IP addresses are assigned dynamically and therefore dhcpcd is needed. I installed debian and configured the network exactly as I would do in my office in Kingston (permanently on net, static ip) but when it asked for ip, netmask, etc. I just took the defaults (arbitrary addresses shown for example) because I did not know what to put there instead. I grabbed the packages necessary to get dhcpcd going with only the five base disks installed (netstd, linreadline2, ncurses3.0,cpp,dhcpcd) and installed them with dpkg. I then installed the dhcpcd package and looked in /etc/dhcpc/* and low and behold, dhcpcd had already configured everything to get ip addresses from cgocable.net. COOL. nothing else to do. Next, I fired up dselect and used the ftp option and I now have a complete 1.3 system. Should some mention of this be put into the installation guide? Price, when it rolls out is in the $50-60/month range, I knew you'd be curious.no, I don't work for them.. This may sound expensive, but when you think about it, it seems fair to me. Consider the alternative - installation and monthly charge of a second phone line is around CAN$20, an isp is around CAN$20 (?), and considering there may be download charges past a certain time limit with the isp (and/or restrictions on the time of day) and that wave downloads are much faster than standard phone line isps, it could be a bargain. Cheers, Colin. -- Colin R. Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = 09 E9 DA 66 9C EE 33 DC B8 3B 97 0E 01 BC EC 0B PGP Public Key at URL:http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Colin R. Telmer wrote: :On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Richard Morin wrote: : [snip] :This is not the case with the Wave in Burlington, Ontario (via CableNet :which I think leases the technology from Rogers). IP addresses are :assigned dynamically and therefore dhcpcd is needed. I installed debian :and configured the network exactly as I would do in my office in Kingston :(permanently on net, static ip) but when it asked for ip, netmask, etc. I :just took the defaults (arbitrary addresses shown for example) because I :did not know what to put there instead. I grabbed the packages necessary :to get dhcpcd going with only the five base disks installed (netstd, :linreadline2, ncurses3.0,cpp,dhcpcd) and installed them with dpkg. I then :installed the dhcpcd package and looked in /etc/dhcpc/* and low and :behold, dhcpcd had already configured everything to get ip addresses from :cgocable.net. COOL. nothing else to do. Next, I fired up dselect and used :the ftp option and I now have a complete 1.3 system. This is good to know. :) :Should some mention of this be put into the installation guide? : : Price, when it rolls out is in the $50-60/month range, I knew you'd be : curious.no, I don't work for them.. : :This may sound expensive, but when you think about it, it seems fair to :me. Consider the alternative - installation and monthly charge of a second :phone line is around CAN$20, an isp is around CAN$20 (?), and considering :there may be download charges past a certain time limit with the isp :(and/or restrictions on the time of day) and that wave downloads are much :faster than standard phone line isps, it could be a bargain. Cheers, :Colin. Not to mention the fact that the cable access is about 30-50 times as fast as dialup (at least, it is here is South Dakota) - your mileage may vary depending on how the cable co. accesses the internet and whether they have packet choking enabled -- Nathan Norman:Hostmaster CFNI:[EMAIL PROTECTED] finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key and other stuff Key fingerprint = CE 03 10 AF 32 81 18 58 9D 32 C2 AB 93 6D C4 72 -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Unrecognized output from ldd: --list
On 10 Jun 1997 09:59:35 +0200 hogendoorn r.a. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am trying to rebuild python, using libc6. During the build of the python-misc package, I get an error from dpkg-shlibdeps unknown output from ldd on dlmodule.so: --list (0x) This is a change in the dynamic linker ld.so. You need to upgrade dpkg or fix by hand a regexp in dpkg-shlibdeps. Indeed, when I execute ldd, I get artasp1# ldd ./dlmodule.so libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40005000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40008000) --list = --list (0x) My question is what does the dependency --list mean? This is a good one. David ? Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
links between rex* and bo?
Are there any symlinks between bo and any of the rex directories? I want to remove the rex directories from my local mirror given space constraints but I recall seeing a note that a few links still existed. Cheers. -- Colin R. Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = 09 E9 DA 66 9C EE 33 DC B8 3B 97 0E 01 BC EC 0B PGP Public Key at URL:http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
Hi, If the users on the remote systems have accounts on the e-mail system, couldn't they just login and read mail like standard users? Another option would be POP or (possibly) IMAP. If what you're describing is close to the way an ISP would handle user mail, go with POP. Sorry for the missing information... Each office will have its own LAN (Ethernet). I don't want the users at each office to deal with PPP/dial-up connections. As a matter of fact, all the users at these remote offices are users POP through a dial-up PPP connection to send/receive e-mail but I want to change this, I want to make this easier. However, I want something simpler: I want the users to press the Send button in Eudora and have this message queued in the server for later delivery by a dial-up connection made every hour, for example. Also, when the servers connect, I want to retrieve all pending mail for the remote office. Also, several times we find the same message going to several people at the same office so, why to waste bandwidth if it is the same message, with the same message ID? As far as I know, sendmail only sends one message to a site where the message goes to several recipients... POP would require each user to fetch the message. Am I understood now? Thanks, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: erroneous messages at bootup?
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:37:02 PDT Nick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
How do I get diald to hang up after a period of idle connection? I've
had no trouble getting it to dial on demand, but then it just stays
connected, even when I leave the connection idle for long periods.
Would pppd's lcp-echo thing cause it to think the link was active?
No, diald doesn't see the LCP packets, they're filtered out by pppd.
There must be some packets going in or out to maintain the link active. Enable
the debugging in diald ('debug 255') and see what packets are going through.
I'm thinking of rwhod for example.
Then add an ignore rule to your filter.
Phil.
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FIXED: hosed compiler
OK... This was really getting me angry and now I've fixed it. My solution was to use glimpseindex on my entire /usr filesystem, and search for the damn _stdprintf symbol it was whining about. Turns out I had a bogus stdio.h in /usr/local/include! glimpse is *very* cool. Thanks again for those who offered assistance with this problem. -- Steve Farrell URL:http://www.people.healthquiz.com/sfarrell/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: links between rex* and bo?
On Jun 11, Colin R. Telmer wrote Are there any symlinks between bo and any of the rex directories? I want to remove the rex directories from my local mirror given space constraints but I recall seeing a note that a few links still existed. Cheers. find /pub/debian/bo -type l|grep '\.\./rex' Regards... Joey -- Individual Network e.V._/ OrgaTech [EMAIL PROTECTED]_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geschaeftszeit: Di+Mi+Fr, 15-18 Uhr _/Tel: (0441) 9808556 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with g++
On Jun 9, Sebastien Phelep wrote
gcc is 2.7.2.2-4; libg++ is 2.7.2.1-9 / 2.7.2.5-1
I guess it's because I've used unstable packages, but I'm note sure.
Does anybody knows what's the problem is ?
Debian's gcc 2.7.2.2 packages by default use with libc6; for libc6 you need
the libg++272 package.
2.7.2.5-1 is the libg++272 (libc6) package. but 2.7.2.1-9 is the libc5
version. So, my guess is that Sebastien has --force-depends installed
the libc5 devel package on a libc6 system.
$ dpkg -l 'libg++*'|grep '^i'
ii libg++272.7.2.1-9 The GNU C++ libraries (ELF version).
ii libg++272 2.7.2.5-1 The GNU C++ libraries (ELF version).
ii libg++272-dbg 2.7.2.5-1 The GNU C++ libraries (ELF version).
ii libg++272-dev 2.7.2.5-1 The GNU C++ libraries (ELF version).
If you get that output, the compiling g++ stuff should be OK.
(at least it's on my system).
As not all libraries are ready/available for libc6, it is probably best to
downgrade your gcc (using dpkg) to the 2.7.2.1 version, and put it (and
cpp) on Hold in dselect.
May work, but the g++ stuff works fine here (and I've got positive
reports from others too).
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Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
A better approach could be to do a functional split, such as a debian-X11, debian-config or debian-dist. This would reduce volume on the main list without having people crossposting all over the place to be sure to get an answer. Either that or start a newsgroup heirarchy. debian. George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
Hi again, Eloy A. Paris said: Each office will have its own LAN (Ethernet). I don't want the users at each office to deal with PPP/dial-up connections. As a matter of fact, all the users at these remote offices are users POP through a dial-up PPP connection to send/receive e-mail but I want to change this, I want to make this easier. Will the machine that handles the dialup connection (gateway of sorts) be running Unix or Novell or some other OS? Its beginning to sound as thought UUCP might be a working option. Sendmail/Smail generally don't work well with intermitant connections (at least in my experience), and you're not interested in POP. If the remote LANs are running Novell, it might be worth looking into M$ Exchange or whatever their current mail solution is. Yup, the machine in the main office is a Debian box. The machines in the remote offices will be Debian boxes too. I wouldn't use any other OS that is not Linux (Debian); it has proven to be rock stable and when talking about connectivity, imagination is the limit. I am thinking about having the main server at the main office calling the remote sites every one or two hours. When the connection is made, e-mail and other files are going to be transferred. I am also thinking this is a job for the old UUCP. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: broken pipe
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Tim O'Brien wrote: Ok, I finally have to break down and ask a potential dumb question: What the heck is a 'broken pipe'? I get these from time to time on my Debian box. A pipe is when the standard output of one program is fed to the standard input of another. These types of programs are commonly called filters. Even DOS has them. I most frequently see 'broken pipe' when I run some process and pipe the output into 'less' just to check that the output looks ok, and then I 'quit' instead of moving to the end first. It's perhaps worth pointing out to a DOS plumber that although in DOS the first process will have completed before you quit from less (indeed, before you see anything emerge into less, because DOS fakes pipes with temporary files), this isn't so in unix because the first program was running in concurrently with the second. When you quit from less, the output of the first program just stops a little way beyond your high-watermark, typically at a disk block boundary. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
I am also thinking this is a job for the old UUCP. Regards, This is EXACTLY the environment that UUCP was designed to operate in. George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
Hi, I am also thinking this is a job for the old UUCP. Regards, This is EXACTLY the environment that UUCP was designed to operate in. My apologies then. Now it seems to me this was a dumb question :-) I'll start digging in how to configure my Debian boxes and sendmail to do the trick. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
This is EXACTLY the environment that UUCP was designed to operate in. My apologies then. Now it seems to me this was a dumb question :-) I'll start digging in how to configure my Debian boxes and sendmail to do the trick. But times have changed a lot since the days when the only way (for normal people) to connect machines was a direct modem link. You may want to keep at least one machine somewhere with a full-time internet link so you can accept smtp from the rest of the world (or use someone's service for this). If you have that, you may want your remote machines to dial up a local internet provider and do uucp over tcp to pick up their batched mail instead of making long distance calls directly to the other machines. It is a bit more complicated to set this up but you can also use it for other internet activity. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Stephane Bortzmeyer writes: This list has a terribly high volume. More than half of the messages are non-Debian related (like Ethernet 3com problems) and should, IMHO, belong I've read a number of replies to this message. While I agree that high volume is not necessarily a good thing, I hate to miss good information which may not be Debian specific (like setting up a firewall, or getting StarOffice to work in the Debian enviroment, or getting a WIN95 system to link up with Debian, etc. etc.) One always has the option to filter and/or delete unwanted messages. FAQ's are not always up to date and you might not be aware of the existance of newer equipment - other reasons for receiving the extra messages 8-) -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK - member of ARRL @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
web documentation
From: Paul Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] The apache/dwww/lynx combo doesn't need X. Try using boa instead of apache. It's _much_ smaller, and faster than apache. However, lynx itself can execute CGI scripts, and doesn't really need a server to run dwww. Whereever it is safe to do so, this could be expanded on. A good example is the CGI/perl scripts for common commands like 'who'. Why not start a collection of these so the user can get some system information using the same interface? Sure. Want to work on that? Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: zip ECP/EPP driver?
If I'm not mistaken, the ZIP parallel driver is in the main kernel source now, and the Debian rescue floppy is zip-enabled. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Resuming interrupted download from http-site
Dirk Herr-Hoyman wrote: At 03:45 AM 6/10/97 -0500, Rob Browning wrote: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? I think, but I'm not sure, that wget will do what you want. See man wget for more details. http is a stateless protocol whereas ftp does maintain state. It's hard to deal with an interruptted transfer without state. This is similar to what NFS does to maintain a connection in the face of the server, say, rebooting. While not completely inconceivable to maintain state with http, which is what cookies do, this would be difficult. Hmmm, doesn't zmodem resume a download by simply asking that the file xfer start at a certain file offset, which is simply the size of the partially downloaded file? Then it just appends to the file. I thought some FTP implementations were doing this already. -- ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [META] Use of the list for non-Debian matters
Bruce Perens: Our menu package already adds menus to _many_ different window managers, and to character-oriented shells as well. Our dwww package need only register a menu entry Help with Linux, and it would appear. The biggest missing piece right now is that menu and dwww are not installed by default, and there should be an easy check box that gets the beginner a GUI-enabled system with them installed. Since the menu package is becoming more and more important to various parts of debian, could its priority should be changed to standard? Another way would be to have any program like fvwm that uses the menu program to display menus, Suggest: menu. (Not that I have anything against a Enable GUI system checkbox, but either of these changes would make the menu system be selected when it should be if the system is installed with dselect.) -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Richard Morin wrote: Hi Listers, As the proud new user of a cable modem from Rogers cable here in Canada and I can say that the configuration was very easy. No need for dhcpd(sp?) clients at all. Just thought i'd follow up as well with my experience.. i have Wave Cable through Shaw here in scarborough. Shaw uses dynamic ips, so i do have to run dhcpcd to grab my ip address... naturally with debian this isn't really a problem, just install the .deb package fro dhcp. I have a hub with 2 computers hooked to it, then to the cable modem - Shaw is charging only $10 more a month for the second IP ... (Total $65 a month cdn) Note that not *all* cable operators are the same. While WAVE is a consortium of Canadian cablecos, the different companies use different equipment. Rogers uses Zenith modems, which go about 500k/s.. Shaw uses MOtorola modems, which go 10mbits upstream, and 768k/s downstream. Quite a *BIG* difference there. But with my modem, i can definitely say it makes Linux all the more enjoyable! :) -Stu -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Quota (?)
Okay, its been a while since Ive done these, so bear with me. How do I do quotas? I have compiled the kernel for quota support. I have run quotacheck for the required filesystem (/home) Now, if I remember correctly I have to modify the fstab for the /home entry and add a -a (?) to the option line? Is this correct, or I have i missed something? Thanks. This is my fstab, for home: #file system mount point type optionsdump pass /dev/sdb1 /home ext2defaults,usrquota0 1 I only have user quota turned on, but group quotas can be added under options also. I hope this helps you out. Dennis + dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED] + work : 517.353.8892 + + Systems Undergrad + pager: 517.222.5875 + + Division of Engineering Computing Services + Quote me+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Best e-mail approach for discon. sites
Leslie Mikesell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : This is EXACTLY the environment that UUCP was designed to operate in. : : My apologies then. Now it seems to me this was a dumb question :-) : : I'll start digging in how to configure my Debian boxes and sendmail : to do the trick. : : But times have changed a lot since the days when the only way (for normal : people) to connect machines was a direct modem link. You may want to : keep at least one machine somewhere with a full-time internet link : so you can accept smtp from the rest of the world (or use someone's : service for this). If you have that, you may want your remote machines : to dial up a local internet provider and do uucp over tcp to pick up : their batched mail instead of making long distance calls directly to : the other machines. It is a bit more complicated to set this up but : you can also use it for other internet activity. Right, the Debian box at the main office is full time connected to the Internete. I want to do what you are saying: have this main server accepting e-mail from the world to users in my UUCP domains and transfer them to the remote servers when the UUCP link starts. This sounds like an interesting exercise although I am a little bit scared of touching sendmail and bind to do the trick. Regards, E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
Stuart Charlton wrote: Rogers uses Zenith modems, which go about 500k/s.. Shaw uses MOtorola modems, which go 10mbits upstream, and 768k/s downstream. Quite a *BIG* difference there. By that you mean 10Mb _to_ your house, and 768Kb _from_ your house, right? I usually hear the upstream/downstream terms used the other way, much like download/upload. -- ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Resuming interrupted download from http-site
At 10:32 AM 6/10/97 -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote: Dirk Herr-Hoyman wrote: At 03:45 AM 6/10/97 -0500, Rob Browning wrote: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? I think, but I'm not sure, that wget will do what you want. See man wget for more details. http is a stateless protocol whereas ftp does maintain state. It's hard to deal with an interruptted transfer without state. This is similar to what NFS does to maintain a connection in the face of the server, say, rebooting. While not completely inconceivable to maintain state with http, which is what cookies do, this would be difficult. Hmmm, doesn't zmodem resume a download by simply asking that the file xfer start at a certain file offset, which is simply the size of the partially downloaded file? Then it just appends to the file. I thought some FTP implementations were doing this already. There is a partial GET in HTTP 1.1, which would do this operation. Again, I can't vouch for how well it is implemented currently. -- Dirk Herr-Hoyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] DANEnet, Connecting Dane County's Communities http://danenet.wicip.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Resuming interrupted download from http-site
Rick Macdonald wrote: Dirk Herr-Hoyman wrote: At 03:45 AM 6/10/97 -0500, Rob Browning wrote: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know ftp reget can resume an interrupted download of a large file. How do you do it from a http-site? I think, but I'm not sure, that wget will do what you want. See man wget for more details. http is a stateless protocol whereas ftp does maintain state. It's hard to deal with an interruptted transfer without state. This is similar to what NFS does to maintain a connection in the face of the server, say, rebooting. While not completely inconceivable to maintain state with http, which is what cookies do, this would be difficult. Hmmm, doesn't zmodem resume a download by simply asking that the file xfer start at a certain file offset, which is simply the size of the partially downloaded file? Then it just appends to the file. I thought some FTP implementations were doing this already. yes, ftp -c Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Rogers Cable Access..a follow-up
I can't speak for Mr. Macdonald but I have a Motorola cable modem from Time-Warner and what I was told was that it does 25 Mbs into my house and 1-3 Mbs out of my house (ie the cable side of the cable modem). The bottleneck is at the ethernet side of the cable modem, which is capable of about 6 Mbs sustained on a PCI bus. This is all what I was told by the sys admin at Time-Warner. Most of the time the limiting factor is servers out there on the net The system is extremely well admistered. The have done several hardware updates already. Every aspect of the system is FAST. I gladly pay $34.95 a month. Rick Macdonald wrote: Stuart Charlton wrote: Rogers uses Zenith modems, which go about 500k/s.. Shaw uses MOtorola modems, which go 10mbits upstream, and 768k/s downstream. Quite a *BIG* difference there. By that you mean 10Mb _to_ your house, and 768Kb _from_ your house, right? I usually hear the upstream/downstream terms used the other way, much like download/upload. -- ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Ron Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:(607)770-3701 Fax:(607)770-2056 Lockheed Martin Control Systems 600 Main St Johnson City, NY 13790-1888 --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
