Re: Xemacs: strange errors

1997-08-28 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:
> 
> > I just ran into this problem myself. The problem for me was upgrading
> > the package compface from 89.11.11-9 to 89.11.11-10. Downgrading back to
> > the original solved the problem. The problem might be that the new
> > compface is compiled for libc6. 
> 
> YES!! I downgraded the compface package to 89.11.11-9 and now, after many
> attempts and many megabytes of downloaded packages, I finally have a
> working Xemacs 19.15. 
> 
> I guess a similar solution, but with more libraries involved, goes for the
> 'bo' version of xemacs. And I think that xemacs20 is just plain buggy or
> it depends on some libc6 library I don't have.

I don't think this is the problem.  I've had problems there before
compface was upgraded.

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Re: Xemacs: strange errors

1997-08-28 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:

> I just ran into this problem myself. The problem for me was upgrading
> the package compface from 89.11.11-9 to 89.11.11-10. Downgrading back to
> the original solved the problem. The problem might be that the new
> compface is compiled for libc6. 

YES!! I downgraded the compface package to 89.11.11-9 and now, after many
attempts and many megabytes of downloaded packages, I finally have a
working Xemacs 19.15. 

I guess a similar solution, but with more libraries involved, goes for the
'bo' version of xemacs. And I think that xemacs20 is just plain buggy or
it depends on some libc6 library I don't have.

BTW, can somebody take a close look at the 'Dependencies:' line of the
xemacs20 package? I think there is definately something wrong here. AFAIK
libc6 should go with ncurses3.4 (not 3.0) and elf-x11r6lib is obsolete[1]. 

Remco

[1] Is elf-x11r6lib really obsolete? I saw a lot of packages in
/var/lib/dpkg/available that still depend on it.


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Re: [QF] fetchmail

1997-08-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

>>"G'razel" == G'razel  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

G'razel> I ran hostname and hostname -f and got what I had set them to
G'razel> which is just an internal network name, my ISP smtp
G'razel> is orion.aye.net and as far as G'razel> I can tell my setup
G'razel> is the same as it was before except that now smail 
G'razel> seems to not have an SMTP variable, could this be set in the
G'razel> bash profile G'razel> and exported?


Where are the smail expert when one needs them? How is smail
 to be set up? I mean, we keep getting people chiming in saying how
 much easier smail is to set up than sendmail, so where _is_
 everybody? 

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Re: Unidentified subject!

1997-08-28 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, moi wrote:

> Hi gang...
> 
> I'm trying to install Debian 1.2.6 from a SCSI CD (using Adaptec
> AHA1522 controller and SONY CDU8003 cdrom drive)...I seem to have
> problems mounting the CD on the linux side (I already got the base up and
> running), the cd-rom drive shows up at startup so it is there...
> Since I don't know much about devices in linux this may have a very basic
> answer, but pleease :)
> The CD-rom drive has SCSI ID 1...which I figured out was /dev/sdb.
> I have used:
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb /cdrom or
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
> I've tried every other /dev/sd*...also
> please try to help a humble newbie :)
> 
I believe that you want something like /dev/scd0 if this is the "only"
device on the scsi controler. If there is a device with ID 0 then try
/dev/scd1.

Luck,

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Re: Xemacs: strange errors

1997-08-28 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:

> Today I tried to install xemacs, but I haven't been successful in running
> it. First, I tried to install the packages xemacs19_19.15-3.1.deb and
> xemacs19-support_19.15-3.1.deb from hamm, since I have been following the
> hamm tree for a while now. But instead of a nice program, I got this:
> 
> $ xemacs
> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '__sigsetjmp'

I just ran into this problem myself.  The problem for me was upgrading
the package compface from 89.11.11-9 to 89.11.11-10.  Downgrading back
to the original solved the problem.  The problem might be that the new
compface is compiled for libc6.

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Re: pgp and mail readers

1997-08-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Aug 28, 1997 at 01:24:27AM -0500, Walter L. Preuninger II wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> I have enabled pine to use the alternate editor hack, but was wondering
> what mail client is primarily used? I have some friends that use mutt, and
> if I use pine to send encrypted mail to them... all they see is the
> encrypted data (Something to do with the mime types?)

I like mutt. I don't know about pgp problems, though.

Marcus

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Xemacs: strange errors

1997-08-28 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
Today I tried to install xemacs, but I haven't been successful in running
it. First, I tried to install the packages xemacs19_19.15-3.1.deb and
xemacs19-support_19.15-3.1.deb from hamm, since I have been following the
hamm tree for a while now. But instead of a nice program, I got this:

$ xemacs
xemacs: can't resolve symbol '__sigsetjmp'

Does anybody know why this happens?

I then removed these and tried to install xemacs_19.14-1.deb and
xemacs-support_19.14-1.deb from bo, but then I got

$ xemacs
Segmentation Fault (core dumped).

Gdb said:

$ gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16.patched (i586-debian-linux), Copyright 1996 Free Software
Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d/libXaw.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libcompface.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.6a...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libpng.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libz.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libncurses.so.3.0...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdb.so.1...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libm.so.5...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.5...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/libc.so.6...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.2...done.
Reading symbols from /lib/ld-linux.so.1...done.
#0  0x4026 in rindex ()
(gdb) 

It seems all the libraries are in place. I don't know any more of gdb than
the 'quit' command, so I exited gdb.

Then I tried xemacs20_20.2-1.deb and xemacs20-support_20.2-1.deb from
hamm, but it crashed immediately with a whole lot of error messages, of
which the last was:

Aborted (core dumped)

Gdb said:

$ gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16.patched (i586-debian-linux), Copyright 1996 Free Software
Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 6, Aborted.
find_solib: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error

#0  0x40233ea1 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) 

So, what's the problem? I have updated all packages in my system to the
latest hamm version. Xemacs is the only program I have of which both the
hamm and bo versions don't work on my system.
 
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Re: ftp: how to continue downloading?

1997-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
dada writes:
> hi...
> 
> how can continue downloading an file, when the i lost the conexion to
> the server,from the file point where I am before I lost the conexion?

reget 

Regards

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ftp: how to continue downloading?

1997-08-28 Thread dada
hi...

how can continue downloading an file, when the i lost the conexion to
the server,from the file point where I am before I lost the conexion?


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Re: [OFF TOPIC] What happened to spam,abuse.org?

1997-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Michele Dalla Silvestra wrote:

: On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Nathan E Norman wrote:
: 
: > Anyone know what happened to abuse.org?  Were they attacked?  They seem
: > to be removed from DNS ... at least, my servers think so.
: 
: abuse.net.
:   ^^^
: 
: ciao
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Duh, thanks :)  Been one of those days ...

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3C509B ISA Detection

1997-08-28 Thread Darin D.

Hi.  I will try and make this as brief as possible while trying to explain
everything I have tried.

Simply put, I cannot get my 3Com Etherlink III (3C509B) to work with
Debian Linux 1.3.1 kernel 2.0.29. (i486DX4 VLB w/16MB)

Before I go on I should add that I have not used this in any other machine
either, like Win95.  I run the DOS Etherdisk diagnostics and everything
works fine.  I have tried it with and without the PNP options enabled.  I
have changed the IRQ and base addresses to various ones.

But every time I boot up linux I get no mention of even a probe for eth0.
I have tried lilo boot time parameters like 'linux ether=10,0x0300,eth0'
as well as ones in my /etc/lilo.conf like 'append reserve=0x0300,32
ether=10,0x0300,0,0,eth0.'

I have recompiled the kernel with static and module support.  I have
tried 'insmod' and 'modprobe -a 3c509.o' and get back things like 
device or resoure busy and '/lib/modules/2.0.29/net/3c509.o unresolved
symbol mca_set_adapter_name, mca_find_adaptor, mca_read_stored_pos.

I finally went to the point of reinstalling Debian and when I tried the
module probe for the 3C509 series I got device or resoure busy.  The card
lights up fine in the back as well.

Now when I boot up I get the SCIOCC... problems talked about in the
Ethernet-HOWTO.  I think these come from my /etc/init/d/network file which
has all of the 'ifconfig' commands.  But no where do I see in 'dmesg |
more' anything about my ethernet card.

I feel like either my card is broken or I have no support compiled in for
my card.  I have tried everything I know how to do.  I have thouroughly
read the Ethernet-HOWTO and NET-3-HOWTO's as well.  I'm stuck!

Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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Unidentified subject!

1997-08-28 Thread moi
Hi gang...

I'm trying to install Debian 1.2.6 from a SCSI CD (using Adaptec
AHA1522 controller and SONY CDU8003 cdrom drive)...I seem to have
problems mounting the CD on the linux side (I already got the base up and
running), the cd-rom drive shows up at startup so it is there...
Since I don't know much about devices in linux this may have a very basic
answer, but pleease :)
The CD-rom drive has SCSI ID 1...which I figured out was /dev/sdb.
I have used:
mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb /cdrom or
mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdb1 /cdrom
I've tried every other /dev/sd*...also
please try to help a humble newbie :)

Thanks
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(fwd) [IXA Outage Alert] InterNIC fell off the 'net

1997-08-28 Thread Timm Gleason
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Re: [OFF TOPIC] What happened to spam,abuse.org?

1997-08-28 Thread Michele Dalla Silvestra
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Nathan E Norman wrote:

> Anyone know what happened to abuse.org?  Were they attacked?  They seem
> to be removed from DNS ... at least, my servers think so.

abuse.net.
  ^^^

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Re: Modem Test?

1997-08-28 Thread Britton

Unless you mispoke, I believe you may be misusing /dev/modem.  /deb/modem
is not a device itself, only a sym link (the wisdom of which is frequently
disputed) which points to the serial device your modem is connected to.
You want /dev/modem to be a sim link pointing to /deb/ttyS0.  As
people have pointed out, you want /dev/ttyS0, not tty0.  Hope this helps.

> Hi
> 
> I've been trying to connect through my schools dial up system for sometime
> now with no luck.  I'm starting to think that my modem is not configured
> correctly.  I think that my modem is on /dev/tty0.  I deleted the device
> /dev/modem that present initially and made a new symbolic from /dev/tty0
> to /dev/modem.  Is there any diagnostic test I can run to see if /dev/tty0
> is indeed the correct device driver?
> 
> Thanks 
> Patrick
> 
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[OFF TOPIC] What happened to spam,abuse.org?

1997-08-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
Anyone know what happened to abuse.org?  Were they attacked?  They seem
to be removed from DNS ... at least, my servers think so.

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Re: newbie question,

1997-08-28 Thread Jim Pick

> 
> Does debian use .Xresources or .Xdefaults at all? If not, what is the
> debian equivalent? ( I tried to put some options for xemacs in .Xdefaults,
> but nothing happens when I do so..)

You have to use the xrdb command to load those files in.

ie.

xrdb -load $HOME/.Xdefaults

(I have this in my .xsession file)

Cheers,

 - Jim




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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Keith Beattie
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
> 
> Right.  And, make sure you use a kernel that has PS/2 mouse support
> compiled in.  Preferably, you would not compile it as a module.
> 

Great.  I'll give that a try tonight.

Thanks all,
Keith


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newbie question,

1997-08-28 Thread lc29b50

Does debian use .Xresources or .Xdefaults at all? If not, what is the
debian equivalent? ( I tried to put some options for xemacs in .Xdefaults,
but nothing happens when I do so..)





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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Kirk Hogenson wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Keith Beattie wrote:
> 
> > It's a two-button Logitech.  (It has MicroSoft printed on it but I
> > think that's just for marketing.)  It's got a small round adaptor that
> > plugs into the back of the tower.  I assume this all means it's a
> > serial device on the bus, right?
> 
> It doesn't sound like a serial device from your description of the plug,
> it sounds more like a PS/2 mouse.  Try using /dev/psaux as your mouse
> device.

Right.  And, make sure you use a kernel that has PS/2 mouse support
compiled in.  Preferably, you would not compile it as a module.

Syrus.

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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Kirk Hogenson

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Keith Beattie wrote:

> It's a two-button Logitech.  (It has MicroSoft printed on it but I
> think that's just for marketing.)  It's got a small round adaptor that
> plugs into the back of the tower.  I assume this all means it's a
> serial device on the bus, right?

It doesn't sound like a serial device from your description of the plug,
it sounds more like a PS/2 mouse.  Try using /dev/psaux as your mouse
device.

HTH,

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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Keith Beattie wrote:

> Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
> > 
> > What kind of mouse do you have?  (What brand?  What does is the adapter
> > shaped like, etc?)
> > 
> 
> Sorry, should have included those details...
> 
> It's a two-button Logitech.  (It has MicroSoft printed on it but I
> think that's just for marketing.)  It's got a small round adaptor that
> plugs into the back of the tower.  I assume this all means it's a
> serial device on the bus, right?

It's probably either a busmouse or a ps/2 mouse, not a serial mouse.  


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[Fwd: Patch troubles]

1997-08-28 Thread Curtis L. Daugaard
--- Begin Message ---
Thanks for your post.  After starting with a clean kernel source and
following your instructions, the patch attempt still results in scads of
skipped hunks and .rej files.  It seems clear there is a major problem
somewhere.  I'm sure I haven't looked far enough to learn how to correct
the .rej files or guess the underlying problem, but I just don't have
the time.  I'll wait for the 2.1 kernel to graduate to stable.

Thanks again.  

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Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> 
> "Curtis L. Daugaard" wrote:
> 
> > I'm not an utter newbie, but I feel like it right now.  I have a
> patch
> > (to support certain hardware) against 2.0.30 that I've successfully
> > applied.  Good.  But I guess I'm just clueless about how to apply
> the
> > pre-patch 2.0.31-1 through 2.0.31-7 (to gain support for the LS-120
> > drive).  I've checked the Kernel HowTo, documentation in the kernel
> > sources, directories from which the patches were downloaded, man
> page
> > for patch, etc., but I the patches don't succeed.  Even after a
> fresh
> > reinstall of the sources, patch repeatedly alerts me that it thinks
> I'm
> > trying to reapply a patch.  So I guess my questions come to this:
> >
> > 1.  What is needed to apply the pre-patches mentioned above?
> 
> Just the pre-patch 2.0.31-7 in /usr/src/
> and clean 2.0.30 sources in /usr/src/linux/
> 
> cd /usr/src
> gunzip -dc pre-patch-2.0.31-7 | patch -p1 -s -N -E -d /usr/src/linux
> 
> > 2.  Should the patch against 2.0.30 be applied before or after the
> > pre-patches?
> 
> Whatever works!
> Look for .rej files when done and possibly edit them in by hand:
> 
>  find . -name "*.rej"
> 
> > My thanks to anyone who can help.
> 
> Hope it does.
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Problem with Xemacs 20.2

1997-08-28 Thread AUBORD Alain
I just installed new version of XEmacs under debian and I get almost
immediately a crash which let my screen with only garbage.

A short analysis with gdb give me the following diagnostic:

"GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (i486-debian-linux), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 6, IOT trap/Abort.
find_solib: Can't read pathname for load map: I/O error

#0  0x40233ea1 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6"

Some time ago some peoples seems have a problem but I have lost
their messages.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


A.Aubord

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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Keith Beattie
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote:
> 
> What kind of mouse do you have?  (What brand?  What does is the adapter
> shaped like, etc?)
> 

Sorry, should have included those details...

It's a two-button Logitech.  (It has MicroSoft printed on it but I
think that's just for marketing.)  It's got a small round adaptor that
plugs into the back of the tower.  I assume this all means it's a
serial device on the bus, right?

Thanks,
Keith


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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Keith Beattie writes:
> Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > 
> > > What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse?
> > 
> > Did you try different drivers?  There are some different mouse protocols
> > out in the pampa.  E.g some LogiTech mice need "logitech", but the 
> > TrackMan needs 'mman'.
> > 
> 
> Yea, I did.  The mouse says, both Microsoft and Logitech on it (!) so
> I tried a whole bunch of combinations.  Given though, say three
> possible drivers and 4 (or maybe 20) possible devices, I'm kind of
> overwhelmed with resultant choices.

First figure out on which _real_ serial port you mouse is - should
be easy - take a look at your hardware, then try all of the possible
mouse types.

Regards

Joey

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Re: Applixware

1997-08-28 Thread Chad D. Zimmerman
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Mr Stuart Lamble wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> : On Mon, 25 Aug 1997 06:56:55 -0400, Tom Malloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : > Is anyone using redhats applixware on debian?  How is it?  The install
> : > difficult? Is it worth buying?  I want to migrate away from msoffice and
> : > use linux exclusively if possible.  Thanks
> : > 
> : 
> : Try out StarOffice before you decide which office suit to use together
> : with Linux. I have found it very nice ... and version 3.1 is free if
> : you use it in a non-commercial purpose.
> : 
> : Check it out at:
> : http://www.stardiv.de/
> : 
> : I don't think you'll find any difficulties installing Applixware. If
> : I'm right there is an non-rpm installation included on the cd.
> 
> I've had a play around with StarOffice; the main reason I didn't get it
> is because I don't have a 'Net connection at home, and the prospect of
> lugging everything back on 1.44MB floppies doesn't really appeal. I've
> forked out $99AUS for the student edition of Applixware; it's nice. Very
> nice. My only beef: the non-rpm installation tries to install everything
> into /opt. Not a good move, especially since my 30MB root partition only
> had 15MB free

Use the .rpm and run `alien applix*.rpm`, after some quik debugging and
installing dpkg-dev from hamm and 3 hours of building ... slow system
here.  I installed the created .deb and have been using it all day ...
very nice .. better than Star Office which had quit wanting to run at all.
 
> I ended up test driving Redhat for a while on my /home partition (don't
> ask, please); whilst I was dding that, I installed Applixware somewhere
> in /usr/local. (under Debian, that would have been /home/usr/local/ ...
> as I said, don't ask :)
> 
> Tar it up, untar it into the Debian /usr/local heirachy, and everything is
> happy happy joy joy. (with some script editing, of course.) One of these
> days, I might get around to doing some work on an installation package. In
> my Copious Spare Time, naturally. ;)

I have the applix.deb now .. even though it is 37MB .. no way in hades am
I gona delete it ... don't wana go through all that alien stuff again.

chad

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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Keith Beattie
Martin Schulze wrote:
> > 
> > What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse?
> 
> Did you try different drivers?  There are some different mouse protocols
> out in the pampa.  E.g some LogiTech mice need "logitech", but the 
> TrackMan needs 'mman'.
> 

Yea, I did.  The mouse says, both Microsoft and Logitech on it (!) so
I tried a whole bunch of combinations.  Given though, say three
possible drivers and 4 (or maybe 20) possible devices, I'm kind of
overwhelmed with resultant choices.

Thanks, tho
Keith


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Re: Install problem

1997-08-28 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Volker Bauer wrote:

> just recieved Debian 1.3.1 and tried to install. I have done it with
> loadlin under dos and got no problems until dselect. I don't know how to
> go further. If I try to use "access" and then "cdrom", it is asked for a
> "block device" and I really didn't find a clue what to put in there.
> 
> If I tried "mounted" and gave in the path to the cd's I got always the
> response that "dev/cdrom/stable 386.gz" (or something similar) is not
> founded there. I checked the cd's for such a file but didn't found it. 
> 
> Any ideas? Thanks a lot in advance.

If you have an IDE cdrom, it is probably /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, or /dev/hdd.
The /dev/cdrom device is normally a symbolic link that you would add once
you know where your cdrom lives.  Do you know what kind of cdrom you have?

Syrus.

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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Keith Beattie wrote:

> I'm doing a vanilla install of Debian 1.3.1 and I'm having trouble
> configuring my mouse.  The problem (I believe) first comes in the
> Install phase of dselect when gpm is being installed The gpm install
> uses /dev/ttyS0 as the default device for my mouse.  I've tried taking
> stabs at all four ttyS? but no luck.
> 
> What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse?

What kind of mouse do you have?  (What brand?  What does is the adapter
shaped like, etc?)

Syrus.

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Install problem

1997-08-28 Thread Volker Bauer
Hi,

just recieved Debian 1.3.1 and tried to install. I have done it with
loadlin under dos and got no problems until dselect. I don't know how to
go further. If I try to use "access" and then "cdrom", it is asked for a
"block device" and I really didn't find a clue what to put in there.

If I tried "mounted" and gave in the path to the cd's I got always the
response that "dev/cdrom/stable 386.gz" (or something similar) is not
founded there. I checked the cd's for such a file but didn't found it. 

Any ideas? Thanks a lot in advance.

Volker


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Re: Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Keith Beattie writes:

> I'm doing a vanilla install of Debian 1.3.1 and I'm having trouble
> configuring my mouse.  The problem (I believe) first comes in the
> Install phase of dselect when gpm is being installed The gpm install
> uses /dev/ttyS0 as the default device for my mouse.  I've tried taking
> stabs at all four ttyS? but no luck.
> 
> What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse?

Did you try different drivers?  There are some different mouse protocols
out in the pampa.  E.g some LogiTech mice need "logitech", but the 
TrackMan needs 'mman'.

Regards

Joey

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Re: Need pppd/PAP guru!

1997-08-28 Thread Dave Cinege
Also you may need the following in /etc/ppp/options:

# force pppd to use your ISP user name as your 'host name' during the
# PAP/CHAP authentication process
name dcinege.!

(with you user name)

And if you experence machine gun redialing, comment out:

lcp-echo-interval 30
lcp-echo-failure 4


With both my Zyxels the LCP answers from my ISP, would not be 
acknowledged.

I spoke with a BitSurfer Pro that had the same problem. No one has been able to 
come up with a reason why.
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Re: fsck from cron?

1997-08-28 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Oliver Elphick wrote:

> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes:
>   >... I was wondering if/how was possible to do some kind of
>   >scheduled-fsck checks for those machines that never reboot
>  
> You can run 'fsck -f -n.  This will (according to the man page) do nothing to
> the file system, but should let you know if there are any  problems requiring
> attention.

This might cause problems with processes trying to write to the
filesystems as the check is going on.

My solution is to define a separate runlevel that brings the system
down to single user mode, unmounts the filesystem, fsck all of them,
and restarts the system into run-level 2.

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Where's my mouse?

1997-08-28 Thread Keith Beattie
Hi all,

I'm doing a vanilla install of Debian 1.3.1 and I'm having trouble
configuring my mouse.  The problem (I believe) first comes in the
Install phase of dselect when gpm is being installed The gpm install
uses /dev/ttyS0 as the default device for my mouse.  I've tried taking
stabs at all four ttyS? but no luck.

What's the strategy for determining which device is your mouse?

Thanks,
Keith


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quick question/answer need.

1997-08-28 Thread dpk
Do to politics at work, I have been thrown into a mess a lab installation.
The Dean would like to have dual boot NT and a i386 unix variant.  Linux
seems to be the only platform to support our hardware.   I have no time to
research, only time to do...  So I'm asking if Debian linux can do this
for me:

1.  Use Authentication via NISplus to a Solaris 2.5.1 machine.
2.  Mount an "application disk" from a Debian Linux fileserver.

I don't have much time, therefore no time to find, let alone RTFM.
Otherwise I would.  All help is appreciated.  

Thanks,
Dennis

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Re: Motif for Linux..

1997-08-28 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Hello all!
> 
> I'm looking at buying a copy of Motif for Linux.  I've tried
> lesstif and unfortunately for my current needs it isn't yet
> stable enough (though, hopefully that will change with time).
> 
> A friend of mine sent me the following information he gathered
> up on the web about some of the Motif packages.  Just wondering
> if there are any suggestions, testimonies, or opinions about
> any of these packages in conjunction with Debian 1.3.x.  They
> all look fairly similar to me (except that a couple also include
> KL Group's XRT widgets).

I tried a couple of them. The best (in my opinion) is Metrolink Motif.
RedHat sells exactly the same copy of Metrolink one (that's why they 
both come with XRT PDS). Cost $199.00 from Metrolink and cheaper from
RedHat. (There is a trick to get Metrolink Motif for only $79, so called
competitive trade-in, check their homepage).

Xi Graphics (www.xig.com) has a decent version for less money.

Infomagic is a little more buggy but cheap.

Don't recommend SWIM.


Good luck.

Alex Y.

> 
> >Well, here are some links.
> >  http://www.metrolink.com/products/motif/index.html ( Metro's Motif )
> >which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $199 (US) which includes KL Groups
> >XRT widget sets (which I've used in the past and are actually quite
> >nice widget sets for making graphs, tables, charts, etc.)
> >and Motif 1.2.4 Linux ELF for $149 (US).
> >
> >  http://www.xinside.com/pd/mwline.html ( Xinside Motif )
> >which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $149.95 (I think this is Canadian $..
> >but, might be US $).

Xi Graphics is the new name of the company.


> >
> >  http://www.lsl.com/swim.html ( Swim Motif )
> >which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $79.95 (US) and $89.95 (US) which
> >some extra archive stuff.
> >
> >  http://www.redhat.com/products/product-details.phtml?id=rhm ( RedHat )
> >which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $149 (US) and includes KL Groups XRT
> >widget set.
> >
> >  http://www.infomagic.com/infomagic/2linmootiff.html
> >which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $99 (US).
> >
> 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated!
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard..
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Re: Need pppd/PAP guru!

1997-08-28 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Kevin Traas wrote:
> 
> Just recently, I've implemented an ISDN connection to my ISP.  However, I've
> never been able to use more than one of the B channels at a time - i.e. no
> MPPP.
> 
> I'm using a Hayes Accura ISDN External TA attached to a Hayes ESP running at
> 460Kbps.  I've only been able to get the connection working using the V.120
> protocol.
> 
> I've been talking with my ISP.  They tell me that I won't be able to
> "bundle" B channels using the V.120 (ATB20) asynchronous protocol and that
> I'm going to have to use PPP Async-Sync (ATB40) in order to establish a
> synchronous PPP connection.  They tell me that they support this without any
> problems; however, I'm going to have to use PAP rather than CHAP
> authentication.

I use ATB40 (whoa! even the same AT command!) on my Zyxel TA128U with
great success (I auth with PAP too).

> The problem here is that I've never used PAP.  I've tried many various
> things to get this working, but I haven't been successful so far.  I've been
> reading the PPP-Howto and the PPP docs; however, they seem to deal mostly
> with configuring *incoming* PAP authentication and don't get into any great
> detail on setting up PAP for outgoing PPP connections.

Yeah, wankers!

> I've configured /etc/ppp/pap-secrets as per the PPP-Howto.  I think it's now
> a matter of getting the pppd options right.  Right now, in testing, I'm
> using minicom to establish the connection, doing Ctrl-A Q to exit without
> reset, and then running:
> 
> pppd -d -detach /dev/ttyP40 user  &
> 
> This is an example of my /var/log/ppp.log entry for this pppd session:
> (It's probably pretty broken up due to line lengths)  I've included
> comments as to my understanding of what is happening throughout the log
> entries

Ok, let's take a look. Just sit back and relax. This won't hurt a bit.

> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: pppd 2.2.0 started by admin, uid 0
> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: Using interface ppp0
> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyP40
> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
> ]
> 
> ^^^  It looks like I'm requesting PAP in the line above, doesn't it?

Yes, you *are* requesting PAP. This is what happens when you pass
'auth' to pppd, it *requires* the peer to authenticate itself. This is
not what you want.

> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 
> ]
> 
> ^^^ The remote end doesn't like pcomp and accomp (What are these
> anyway?)

pcomp == Protocol-Field-Compression
  Each PPP frame has a 2-byte protocol field (we're not talking about
  protocols such as TCP/UDP here, more like LCP, CCP, IPCP, etc.). With
  pcomp the LSB of the first byte indicate whether or not a second byte
  follows. So, you can save a byte per frame by using this.

accomp == Address-and-Control-Field-Compression
  PPP uses HDLC-like framing for its packets (otherwise to be referred
  to as frames rather than packets). This format uses an Address for
  the data-link layer (in this case, basically your modem). Since PPP
  is generally run between two points only, the address and control
  fields can be compressed and save some Bs.

Their end doesn't support this compression: too bad but oh well.

> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
>   ]
> 
> ^^^ Here, my end is requesting the same as the first time, only without
> pcomp and accomp  Right?

Exactly. Your pppd has agreed to not use accomp and pcomp. Note that it
still insists on auth pap though! (bad in this case)
 
> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
>  ]
> 
> ^^^ Is this the other end requesting that I use PAP too?  Or just
> acknowledging receipt of my request?

Not acknowledgement, a request (that's why it's a ConfReq, rather than
a ConfAck). The peer is requesting that you authenticate with pap,
which is as it should be.
 
> Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 
>  ]
> 
> ^^^ This looks like me sending an Ack on the PAP request

Yes, your pppd is agreeing to authenticate itself using pap.
 
> Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x2 ]
> 
> ^^^ And then, is this the remote end sending me a Nak on my request for CHAP
> authentication?  I haven't requested CHAP to this point - I'm wondering if
> I'm somehow sending clear text across the synchronous link that the remote
> end is taking to mean that I want to authenticate using CHAP???  Your
> thoughts?

Weird. You never ConfReq'd for auth chap md5. Their end is buggy. What
do I bet it's an Ascend Max! (I found another bug in the Ascend Max
ppp impl.)

> Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
>  ]
> Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 
>  ]
> 
> As far as I can tell, these lines are just the two ends agreeing to use an
> mru of 1500 ???

This would generally indicate that the peer is happy with what you've
requested from it. Interesting that auth pap wasn't req

Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-28 Thread Scott K. Ellis
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On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Bart Schuller wrote:

> You might also want to mention perl and libgdbm. I can't tell you
> exactly what went wrong, but both machines I upgraded had a core-dumping
> perl. With lots of install scripts written in perl that makes a fine
> mess.
> 
> I think the first time perl crashed it was because the old perl couldn't
> handle the new locale files. The second time was due to a wrong
> libgdbm-something.

I'd be happy to if you can provide me with some details, I haven't
experienced that particular problem myself.  If you can give me package
version numbers (and assuming that the current packages in the archive are
broken), I'd be happy to write about it.  I've got a spare partition that
I don't mind breaking to test stuff, but I need versions and installation
order.

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Re: fsck from cron?

1997-08-28 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, writes:
  >... I was wondering if/how was possible to do some kind of
  >scheduled-fsck checks for those machines that never reboot (well, almost nev
  >er),
  >something done weekly, monthly .. That would not eliminate fs errors (I have
  >never seen fs errors on a linux box in 4 years), but would catch them early 
  >and
  >on a regular base.
  >I think this can be quite tricky, since when you check / you have nothing to
  >write to (no mail/log file), and I'm not so sure what the best check order
  >would be (check / first, check it last), and I don't know if cron can be run
  >on a system in that state.
  >...
 
You can run 'fsck -f -n.  This will (according to the man page) do nothing to
the file system, but should let you know if there are any  problems requiring
attention.

Because it should not change the filesystem, it would be a suitable command
to run from cron.


I can't help you on the other problem (strange error messages).
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Re: GhostScript problem

1997-08-28 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
> "AK" == Adam Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

AK> I just installed the ghostscript package, and it's working great, except
AK> for this: every postscript document I print ends up with its last line cut
AK> off.  How can I stop this?  I'm using a Canon BJ-200e printer.

Are you using the same paper size in your printer as the one
ghostscript (-view?) is configured to use?



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dhcpd

1997-08-28 Thread KeyStone Network Sys Admin
Hi,

Could you please tell me where i can find documentation on dhcpd installing
and setting up on debian.

Thank you

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Re: Help with EQL

1997-08-28 Thread Jim Pick

> Could anyone point me towards documentation or help me with setting up EQL?
> 
> I have installed the module in kernel 2.0.30 without problems but do not
> know where to go from there?

There is some documentation in /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/README.eql that
you might have missed.  (from the Linux kernel source)

I've never used EQL myself.

Cheers,

 - Jim




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Motif for Linux..

1997-08-28 Thread Richard . Dansereau
Hello all!

I'm looking at buying a copy of Motif for Linux.  I've tried
lesstif and unfortunately for my current needs it isn't yet
stable enough (though, hopefully that will change with time).

A friend of mine sent me the following information he gathered
up on the web about some of the Motif packages.  Just wondering
if there are any suggestions, testimonies, or opinions about
any of these packages in conjunction with Debian 1.3.x.  They
all look fairly similar to me (except that a couple also include
KL Group's XRT widgets).

>Well, here are some links.
>  http://www.metrolink.com/products/motif/index.html ( Metro's Motif )
>which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $199 (US) which includes KL Groups
>XRT widget sets (which I've used in the past and are actually quite
>nice widget sets for making graphs, tables, charts, etc.)
>and Motif 1.2.4 Linux ELF for $149 (US).
>
>  http://www.xinside.com/pd/mwline.html ( Xinside Motif )
>which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $149.95 (I think this is Canadian $..
>but, might be US $).
>
>  http://www.lsl.com/swim.html ( Swim Motif )
>which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $79.95 (US) and $89.95 (US) which
>some extra archive stuff.
>
>  http://www.redhat.com/products/product-details.phtml?id=rhm ( RedHat )
>which has Motif 2.0.1 Linux ELF for $149 (US) and includes KL Groups XRT
>widget set.
>
>  http://www.infomagic.com/infomagic/2linmootiff.html
>which has Motif 2.0 Linux ELF for $99 (US).
>


Any help would be appreciated!

Cheers!
Richard..

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Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-28 Thread Bart Schuller
On Aug 28, Scott K. Ellis wrote
>   Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
>   Scott K. Ellis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   v2.1, August 22, 1997

You might also want to mention perl and libgdbm. I can't tell you
exactly what went wrong, but both machines I upgraded had a core-dumping
perl. With lots of install scripts written in perl that makes a fine
mess.

I think the first time perl crashed it was because the old perl couldn't
handle the new locale files. The second time was due to a wrong
libgdbm-something.

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Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-28 Thread Scott K. Ellis
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  Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
  Scott K. Ellis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  v2.1, August 22, 1997

  1.  Introduction

  The Debian project is currently in the process of putting together the
  next release of the Debian system.  This version will utilize the new
  libc6, a replacement for the prior libc5 which includes many
  enhancements and brings the Linux C library back into sync with the
  GNU project.  We are doing this in a way to allow you to continue to
  utilize your older software by providing development and operating
  environments for both C libraries.  However, all packages in the new
  release will be linked with the new C library.  This has made it
  slightly more difficult to install packages from the unstable branch
  of our development tree into a working system.  There is a slight
  possibility of making your system unbootable in the process, this
  guide is intended to help you avoid such problems.

  1.1.  Recent Changes:

  o  Note about libc6-based e2fsck being bad for large partitions.

  o  Reorganized slightly and added more information about possible
 problems.

  o  Moved ldso above libc6, incase they have an ancient ldso.

  o  Raised versions required for bash and libreadline(g)2 to the
 official maintainer versions to avoid possible version mismatch
 breakage.

  o  Added a note saying that allowing dselect to upgrade the listed
 packages might result in an unbootable system.

  o  Added ncurses3.0 to list of packages after realizing that
 libreadline2 depended on it.  This may not be necessary, as
 everyone should already have ncurses3.0 installed.

  1.2.  Disclaimer

  As always, this document comes with NO WARRANTY.  These comments are
  based on my personal experience and experimentation.  While this
  worked for me off a freshly installed v1.3.1 system, you mileage may
  vary.  Please send any comments or corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  2.  Requirements

  2.1.  Minimum Requirements

  The minimum list of packages to install to be able to run unstable-
  branch packages is below.  Install these packages one at a time in
  exactly the order listed.  When versions are mentioned, that is a
  minimum suggested version, any later version should also be
  acceptable.

  IMPORTANT: If you use dselect to do the initial upgrade to these
  packages, there is a very good possibility of breaking bash and
  therefore making your system unusable.

  o  ldso_1.9.5-1

  o  libc6_2.0.4-1

  o  ncurses3.0_1.9.9e-2

  o  ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3

  o  libreadline2_2.1-4

  o  libreadlineg2_2.1-4

  o  bash_2.01-2

  2.2.  Other Suggested Packages

  These packages are not absolutely essential for the functioning of the
  packages in unstable, but are still very useful.  The new dpkg-dev may
  be necessary for unpacking source archives from unstable, and the new
  dpkg-ftp is needed if you wish to use the ftp method of dselect to
  upgrade your system to the unstable distribution.

  o  libg++272_2.7.2.5-2

  o  dpkg_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-ftp_1.4.9

  3.  Development

  If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the
  '-dev' packages on your system, the new development system will use
  packages with the suffix '-dev' for libc6 development and '-altdev'
  for libc5 development.  You will wish to install the latest libc5
  package, and altgcc if you wish continue to do libc5 development as
  well.  Some libraries haven't been recompiled for the new libc6 yet,
  check that all your vital libraries are available before upgrading.
  Linking libc5-based libraries with libc6-based programs will have
  unpredictable results.

  4.  Concerns

  4.1.  Upgrading bash

  The package bash_2.01-1 requires that you have libreadlineg2_2.1-3 or
  greater installed.  If you install the new bash package before
  installing the new libreadlineg2, you will break your system.
  bash_2.01-2 has the appropriate predepends lines, but may not yet be
  to your mirror.

  4.2.  /sbin/e2fsck

  The e2fsck program in e2fsprogs_1.10-4 has a bug in it which will
  cause it to destroy data on partitions above 2GB in size.  The version
  in e2fsprogs_1.10-5 has fixed this bug.  IMPORTANT: If you run the
  older libc6-based e2fsck on a 2 GB or greater partition, YOU WILL LOSE
  DATA.

  4.3.  /usr/bin/gencat

  Note also that both the man-db and the libc6-dev packages currently
  include /usr/bin/gencat.  The version of gencat in libc6-dev has been
  reported to cause segfault problems with man-db, you may wish to
  reinstall man-db after libc6-dev if you experience these problems.

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Apache 1.1 docs

1997-08-28 Thread Roderick Schertler
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:27:21 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Schulze) said:
> jim writes:
>> 
>> And more broadly speaking, it seems that the documentation actually
>> needed to run apache was not included in the distribution.
> 
> There is a apache-doc package containing the documentation.

Not for 1.1, the version in stable, which is what Jim was talking about.
The lack of documentation for this version is a real hassle.  Apache
didn't distribute docs with 1.1, they just referred you to their web
site.  The problem is that they don't have documentation for 1.1 on the
web site any more (what's there is the 1.2 docs with some but not all of
the changes between 1.1 and 1.2 pointed out as such).

Apache, I've searched your web and FTP servers but haven't found a copy
of the 1.1 docs.  Do you have a copy of them we could have to package
with a distribution of that server?

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Re: depmod -a problem

1997-08-28 Thread Clint Adams
> Hmmm, not to my knowledge.  Using modutils_2.1.34-5a and tried 2.1.34-5
> before that.  /etc/conf.modules is substantially the same as the one on my
> hamm box.  Think I'll make a kernel-source-29-deb and let it install
> itself. 

You're probably using an older version of kernel-package that installs
the *_MODULES catalogs into /lib/modules instead of /usr/doc


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Re: depmod -a problem

1997-08-28 Thread Clint Adams
> gum# depmod -av | less
> modprobe: error reading ELF header: No such file or directory
> TYPE /lib/modules/boot
> TYPE /lib/modules/2.0.29/fs
>   etc etc

Try this and attempt depmod again:

rm `find /lib/modules -name "*_MODULES"`


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Re: [QF] fetchmail

1997-08-28 Thread G'razel
I ran hostname and hostname -f and got what I had set them to which is
just an internal network name, my ISP smtp is orion.aye.net and as far as
I can tell my setup is the same as it was before except that now smail
seems to not have an SMTP variable, could this be set in the bash profile
and exported?

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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Ted Harding
( Re Message From: Scott Hanson )
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S Galbraith) writes:
> 
> > Can they import and create Word documents?
> > That's *my* problem.  The rest of the Department expects me to provide
> > Word documents.  If I could do that in Linux using StarOffice
> > or Applixware, I'd never need Windows.
> 
> Applixware can import and export Word 6 (among other formats). I've
> just started working with Applixware, so I'm not sure what problems
> (if any) there are passing documents back and forth.
> 
> Scott
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It can even be problematic exporting Word to Word: if there's some subtle
difference in the other guy's setup then you can have trouble (especially
if it's a different version of Word). Even so I reckon it's safest to
handle like with like.

However, I'd be most interested to hear of experience with Applixware
(and what about StarOffice?).

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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Scott Hanson

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S Galbraith) writes:

> Can they import and create Word documents?
> That's *my* problem.  The rest of the Department expects me to provide
> Word documents.  If I could do that in Linux using StarOffice
> or Applixware, I'd never need Windows.

Applixware can import and export Word 6 (among other formats). I've
just started working with Applixware, so I'm not sure what problems
(if any) there are passing documents back and forth.

Scott
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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Jan Vroonhof
Andy Kahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> have loads of features.  however, i recently took the same data that
> i was pumping into gnuplot and plopped it into MS Excel, then made
> terrificly beautiful graphs (multi-column, bar, 3d, etc) with un-
> believable ease, and then sent them into a PowerPoint presentation.

Note that the Graphics are one of Excels strong points (especially
compared to other Windows based Spreadsheats). I agree fully that for
manipulating graphics a GUI interface is often well suited. Another
example is the ease with which you can make flow text around a picture
with a complicated contour in say PageMaker compared to how difficult
that is in TeX.

Note that even in one of its strong points Excel lets you down. F.i. Excel
supports logarihtmic graphs (hooray!) but they don't look "terrificly
beautiful" to me and you cannot plot say betwen 10^-5 and 10^-3
because the upper scale is arbitrarily limited to be 10 or above. It
seems that they only built it in to be able to display Bill Gates's
net worth against time :-).

> as much as i dislike Win95/NT/MS, this Excel->PowerPoint process
> was unbelievable and beats the heck out of grinding through gnuplot's
> numerous options.

However I do not see what the ease of creating bussiness graphics in
Excel has to with the merits of Powerpoint. One should check how the
linux bases spreadsheats like Applix, StarCalc and [insert other one
who's name I cannot remember right now] do in this respect?

As far as I know there aren't any GUI graphics programs for Linux. The
closest I know is gnuplot outputting to fig for xfig.

Jan


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Re: Off-topic - tcpload

1997-08-28 Thread Lindsay Allen
Hello,

Many thanks for those hints.  Ask and it shall be given!  I used ethload
in my Novell days but had not noted the netdiag and procmeter tools.  This
really is a wonderful list when free of political junk mail. 

So thank you Joost, Hamish, Lawrence, Joey, Jim and Rob.  Wish me luck
while I tackle a remarkably slow network.

Lindsay
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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Andy Kahn

-> At 12:35 AM 8/28/97 -0400, Tan Wee Yeh wrote:
-> >Maybe its becuase all my presentations to date are quite 
-> >technical and there is no need for flashy stuff.
-> 
-> I would think that XFig, gnuplot and LaTeX could produce all the
-> "flashiness" that one would need.
-> 
-> Later,
->  Marc
-> 

i definitely disagree.  gnuplot is nice in that it can be integrated
as part of automated scripts (e.g., as part of a script that processes
data files, formats them, then feeds them to gnuplot), and it does
have loads of features.  however, i recently took the same data that
i was pumping into gnuplot and plopped it into MS Excel, then made
terrificly beautiful graphs (multi-column, bar, 3d, etc) with un-
believable ease, and then sent them into a PowerPoint presentation.

as much as i dislike Win95/NT/MS, this Excel->PowerPoint process
was unbelievable and beats the heck out of grinding through gnuplot's
numerous options.
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Re: Lists of Maintainers

1997-08-28 Thread Lindsay Allen

Hello,

Manoj very kindly delegated this job to me.  I take it that a few more
days will not matter unduely, so I will have a think about what is
required and maybe even do a dummy run with half a dozen developers to see
what sort of problems appear.  Any comments and hints along the way will
be welcome as I am just picking up *nix as I go along and I have a lot to
learn yet.

Lindsay 
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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Fredik Ax wrote:

> I disagree! The office suits for Linux (e.g. StarOffice and
> Applixware) are starting to get really good. I can't really see any
> need to run this kind of applications on a windoze system.

Can they import and create Word documents?
That's *my* problem.  The rest of the Department expects me to provide
Word documents.  If I could do that in Linux using StarOffice
or Applixware, I'd never need Windows.
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Re: imake

1997-08-28 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Casey Feskens wrote:

> I have recently discovered that imake and therefor xmkmf does not
> appear on my system.  Since these are frequently used commands, I
> was wondering if anyone knows which package imake is part of.  I
> must be missing a package somewhere, though I thought I had everything
> installed that I needed.
> 
> Can't find imake anywhere,
> 
If you search the Contents file you will find that it comes from the
xlib6-dev package.

Luck,

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Re: Changing mouse buttons in Xterm

1997-08-28 Thread Alfonso E. Urdaneta
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> The default for the paste function for selected text is mouse button
> # 3, but I only have a 2 button mouse and would like to set the paste
> function to use button # 2.

Actually default is 2, however on a 2 button mouse, the button on the
right is rigged as button #3.

It would probably be easier ( and better ) for you to go out and get a 3
button mouse.  The cost like $10.

Alfonso.

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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Ted Harding
Well, Folks, I found the answer to my question ("which emulator does Linus
use to run PowerPoint?"). Found it on

   http://www.ssc.com/lj/issue29/interview.html

which is an interview with Linus Torvalds. The answer is:

Wabi is a nice program (I've been using it to make slides with
PowerPoint under Linux) and a lot of people will find the reason to
pay for it.  However, it won't revolutionalize Linux the way Wine may
do---a freely available windows emulation package will make a lot of
difference for the whole market, while Wabi makes a lot of difference
to only a subset of the market.  Obviously, right now Wabi is a lot
more advanced than Wine, but we'll see what happens in a year or two. 

Best wishes to all,
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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Marc W. Brooks
At 12:35 AM 8/28/97 -0400, Tan Wee Yeh wrote:
>Maybe its becuase all my presentations to date are quite 
>technical and there is no need for flashy stuff.

I would think that XFig, gnuplot and LaTeX could produce all the
"flashiness" that one would need.

Later,
Marc


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Debian 1.3 / Adaptec 284x VLB - problem

1997-08-28 Thread Benjamin de Coninck Owe
I am trying to install debian 1.3 om my pc:

ALI motherboard
Phoenix BIOS 4.03
I486 DX4 - 100MhZ
Adaptec 2840A / 42A

I am having trouble. Booting the rescuedisk at boot prompt I write:

boot: linux aic7xxx=no_reset

loading the kernel the computer writes:

...
(aic7xxx): Encoutered spurious interrupt
...
scsi0: Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-fast SCSI)
scsi: 1 host.
scsi0: Scanning channel A for devices
scsi: Aborting command due to timeout: pid 0, id 0, lun 0, Test Unit
Ready 00 00 00 00 00
aic7xxx: (abort) Aborting scb 0, TCL 0/0/0
scsi: Aborting command due to timeout: pid 0, id 0, lun 0, Test Unit
Ready 00 00 00 00 00
aic7xxx: (abort) Aborting scb 0, TCL 0/0/0
SCSI host 0 abort (pid 0) timed out - resetting
SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0.
aic7xxx: (reset) target/channel 0/0
aic7xxx: (abort_reset) scb state 0x1, while idle, LASTPHASE = 0xff,
SCSISIGI = 0x0
aic7xxx: (reset_device) target/channel -1/A, active_scb 0
aic7xxx: (match_scb) target/channel -1/A to scb 0/A
aic7xxx: (match_scb) target/channel -1/A to scb 0/A
aic7xxx: (reset_channel) Resetting current channel A
aic7xxx: (done_aborted_scbs) Aborting scb 0, TCL=0/0/0
scsi0: BRKADRINT error (0x1)
   Illegal Host Access
Kernel panic: scsi0: BRKADRINT, error 0x1, seqaddr 0x0

In swapper task - not syncing

I am having no trouble whatsoever booting the currently installes DOS
5.0 on the harddisk. Everything seems to work perfectly, the SCSI bus is
terminated correctly.

What should I do?

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Re: Changing mouse buttons in Xterm

1997-08-28 Thread Bob Clark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> How does one change mouse button assignments in Xterm?  Is there an
> initialization file somewhere?  I have read the man page, but couldn't figure
> this out.  The default for the paste function for selected text is mouse 
> button
> # 3, but I only have a 2 button mouse and would like to set the paste function
> to use button # 2.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave N.
> 

You can use "Emulate3Buttons" to paste using _both_ buttons
together by putting something like this in the Pointer
section of /etc/X11/XF86Config:

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"PS/2"
Device  "/dev/mouse"
Emulate3Buttons
Emulate3Timeout50
EndSection

Of course, use your own Protocol and Device lines, I happen
to have a PS/2 mouse.

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Re: q-mail: setup problem

1997-08-28 Thread dada
dada wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I just installed qmail in my system to replace smail.
> 
> When the configurarion script runs, here is that it return me:
> 
> **
> 
> qmailconfig
> Your hostname is antinoo
> --here the script stop for a while--
> soft error
> Sorry,I couldn't find your host's name in DNS
> You will have to set up control/me yourself
> 
> 
> 
> I understand that the problem is that I have my bind pakage in bad setup
> (sorry, I don't know set up it. I answer the questions that scripts
> setup ask me, but I don't now do anymore), but I don't understand that
> is the last line: "You will have to set up control/me yourself".
> 
> what can i solve this problem?
> 
> I seek answer in "usr/doc/qmail", but I don't find it :-) (I'm novice).
> 
> Please,help
> 
> Thanks
> 


please...I need help. :-(


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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Dr. Andreas Wehler
> That sentence: "Microsoft's huge installed base of users and wide
> range of applications is unlikely to be surpassed, despite what
> believers in the Linux magic might hope" is depressingly accurate.
> There's an awful lot of people out there using a wide range of MS
> software, and if your living depends on dealing with them then you
> have to come to terms with it.

 Isn't this true mostly with respect to windows 3.x and windows 95?
The number of NT apps around there is limited.  Should we expect a
2-way splitted MS-world for ever?

: IMO, microsoft should get out of the operating system game and
: leave it to those who actually have a clue about OSeslike
: linux or bsd kernel hackers and unix programmers for example.

 Very good idea.
   Andreas.

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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Craig Sanders

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Ted Harding wrote:

> However: what about clients who send you data on floppy in MS-Access
> format, who send you documents, or who expect you to send them
> documents, in Word format so that they can use them on their own
> machines etc? Excel spreadsheets?
>
> In real life, Tan-Wee, you can't escape it. I would be happier if you
> could. But, as I say, if you can't run it on Linux then too bad, since
> you have to run it somehow.

true.  MS is inescapable.  Programs like WINE and WABI and Willow's
TWIN are useful and necessary because linux needs more apps (preferably
freeware, but commercial is fine too).  The Win emulators allow (or will
allow, when they are debugged enough) linux access to the enormous range
of windows applications. linux native apps would be better but until
there's enough of them around, we need emulators.


> That sentence: "Microsoft's huge installed base of users and wide
> range of applications is unlikely to be surpassed, despite what
> believers in the Linux magic might hope" is depressingly accurate.
> There's an awful lot of people out there using a wide range of MS
> software, and if your living depends on dealing with them then you
> have to come to terms with it.

IMO, microsoft should get out of the operating system game and leave it
to those who actually have a clue about OSeslike linux or bsd kernel
hackers and unix programmers for example.

MS should focus on their applications which, for the most part, aren't
too bad. in fact, some of their apps are fairly decent if you like that
sort of thing.

if MS did do this, then they would a) have better apps because they run
on a much better OS, and b) wouldn't have to worry about US anti-trust
suits because they no longer control the OS (which is, of course, why
they would be reluctant to do this)


I think that MS will have to do this within a few years anyway. no
commercial OS will be able to compete with the free operating systems
like linux or freebsd.  Linux isn't playing catch-up anymore, and hasn't
done for at least a year...it's now already better/faster/more reliable
than the commercial OSes, and development proceeds at a phenomenal rate.

Linux only needs a few good "killer apps" to make the corporate world
really sit and take notice - corps already see linux and apache as one
of the leading contenders for their internet gateway / web server.  A
few good apps would make linux a winner when it becomes necessary to
upgrade their "aging" and "obsolete" Pentium-166 machines which have
"only" 32mb of memory and can't run the latest BloatWare 99 apps.

support costs on a network of unix/linux machines are cheaper too - the
support person can telnet in and look around ... which is a lot quicker
than the usual "tell me what you see on the screen?  ok, if it says
this then type blah, if you don't see this little icon thingy then do
that, otherwise i'll have to come up and have a look at your machine".
another reason it's cheaper is that if users don't have root access on
their desktop machine then they can't screw it up too badly. upgrading
and maintaining software can be done over the network, easily.


maybe i'm being overly optimistic, but i really do see a time in the
not-too-distant future when linux WILL be a viable contender for the
desktop operating system market.

(and i like the sound of that because I absolutely loathe and detest
having to fix severely broken Win systems, even if i do get paid
quite well for doing it. i'd rather be paid for 1 hour's pleasant and
stress-free work than for 3 hours of microsoft hell).


> I'm looking forward to WordPerfect-7 for Linux (just out: see
> http://www.sdcorp.com) which should alleviate some of the problems.

this is the kind of thing that linux needs - apps, apps, and more apps.


craig


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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Fredik Ax
On 28 Aug 1997 00:25:53 +0200, Ted Harding wrote:
> And in this article is stated:
>
>  However, Microsoft's huge installed base of users and wide range of
>  applications is unlikely to be surpassed, despite what believers in
>  the Linux magic might hope. Linus has no illusions on the subject and
>  even employs tools like Microsoft's PowerPoint - running on top of
>  Linux via one of the Windows emulators available.
>
> The first sentence I heartily support: when you need to get work done
> you are likely to be forced into running an MS-Win application at some
> stage and, if you can't run it on Linux, too bad.
>

I disagree! The office suits for Linux (e.g. StarOffice and
Applixware) are starting to get really good. I can't really see any
need to run this kind of applications on a windoze system. You can
probably find a couple of applications that run on windoze plattforms
only, if you look hard enough, but I haven't had the need to use any
application that haven't got an equivalence running on Linux.

( Heck you could do most things that you can in windoze and alot that you
  can't even dream on doing on a windoze system, with emacs only ;-)

Fredrik Ax


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Re: GNUS ??

1997-08-28 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
Gnus is a mailreader that comes with Emacs and XEmacs. I usually start my 
Gnus session with 'emacs -f gnus' or 'xemacs -f gnus'. See 
http://www.gnus.org/ for more info about Gnus. Basically if you get either 
one of the emacsen you get everything that's needed for Gnus too.

Gnus has lot's of features and options but the news reading with it can be 
really simple too. I usually use space, q and the arrow keys and get along 
just fine.

I hope this helps.

PS. The current version of gnus is spelled as Gnus. An older version of 
gnus that came with older emacsen was called GNUS. The name change 
happened when a new maintainer started his work making GNUS better.

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GNUS ??

1997-08-28 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
In some newsgroups about Linux and in the Debian mailing lists I have read
some positive remarks about the GNUS mail and news reader, but I can't
find it in the Debian distribution. I would like to try it, so:

- is it in a Debian package?
- if not, from where can I get it?
- what else do I need to run it?

Remco



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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Ted Harding
( Re Message From: Tan Wee Yeh )
> 
> Ted Harding wrote,
> :The first sentence I heartily support: when you need to get work done
> :you are likely to be forced into running an MS-Win application at some
> :stage and, if you can't run it on Linux, too bad.
> 
> I would not agree fully with you.  I have been off MS-Win for
> more than 2 years now and do not see a need of going back to
> it.  The only time I needed to use it is when my University
> requires us to present the statistics in Excel and I almost
> puke using it.
> 
> Maybe its becuase all my presentations to date are quite 
> technical and there is no need for flashy stuff.
> 
>   Just me,
>   Wire ...

Well, so long as it's just you ... Good Luck!

My work is statistical consultancy. 95 per cent of the time I simply use
Linux -- the numerical, graphical, document-writing etc software are all
there. As far as "getting the work done" is concerned, Linux is mostly
fine.

However: what about clients who send you data on floppy in MS-Access
format, who send you documents, or who expect you to send them documents, in
Word format so that they can use them on their own machines etc? Excel
spreadsheets?

In real life, Tan-Wee, you can't escape it. I would be happier if you
could. But, as I say, if you can't run it on Linux then too bad, since you
have to run it somehow.

That sentence: "Microsoft's huge installed base of users and wide range of
applications is unlikely to be surpassed, despite what believers in the
Linux magic might hope" is depressingly accurate.  There's an awful lot of
people out there using a wide range of MS software, and if your living
depends on dealing with them then you have to come to terms with it.

I'm looking forward to WordPerfect-7 for Linux (just out: see
http://www.sdcorp.com) which should alleviate some of the problems.

Best wishes,
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Re: upgrade path

1997-08-28 Thread Rob Browning
"Daniel J. Mashao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> problems. 1.2 worked fine, but I upgraded to 1.3.1 and now my monitor does
> not do 800x600.

Did you try

  su
  mv /etc/X11/XF86Config /etc/X11/XF86Config.old

  # Just want to make sure there aren't any old ones lying around to
  # confuse XF86Setup.
  mv /root/XF86Config /root/XF86Config.old
 
  XF86Setup

I had the new version of X break several X installations here, but
using this approach fixed all of them but one.  Timing parameters (and
other things) had changed, and this fixed them by getting the setup
program to start from scratch.  The one that this didn't fix I was
able to straighten out by hand (it was a laptop that was a pain the
first time I set it up too).

I even found on several of the machines, I could use options that
weren't available before.  For example, the laptop was able to do
16bit with a linear frame buffer.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Errors from make config

1997-08-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

This is quite wierd. I can't duplicate your results, since I
 have a fully libc6-dev setup, but I lokked at configure file, and all
 it does prior to the error is include stdio.h and unistd.h, which
 should not cause a problem. It compiles just fine for me, alas.

Try and see if this minimal code compiles for you; if this
 fails as well, try re-installing the libc5-dev package. 

manoj
__> gcc -o junk /usr/src/kernel-source-2.1.51/drivers/sound/configure.c 


---cut here---
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

int 
main(void)
{
exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
}
---cut here---




__> dpkg -l libc5 libc6 gcc libc5-dev binutils make bin86 gawk gzip \
shellutils grep cpp libc6-dev 
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
ii  libc5   5.4.33-7   The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libr
ii  libc6   2.0.4-1The GNU C library version 2 (run-time files)
ii  gcc 2.7.2.2-7  The GNU C compiler.
pn  libc5-dev(no description available)
ii  binutils2.8.1-2The GNU assembler, linker and binary utiliti
ii  make3.75-6 The GNU version of the "make" utility.
ii  bin86   0.12.0-1   16-bit assembler and loader
ii  gawk3.0.2-1GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing l
ii  gzip1.2.4-15   The GNU compression utility.
ii  shellutils  1.16-5 The GNU shell programming utilities.
ii  grep2.0-12 GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.
ii  cpp 2.7.2.2-7  The GNU C preprocessor.
ii  libc6-dev   2.0.4-1The GNU C library version 2 (development fil
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Re: imake

1997-08-28 Thread Bruce Perens
I think they are xdevel.
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imake

1997-08-28 Thread Casey Feskens
I have recently discovered that imake and therefor xmkmf does not
appear on my system.  Since these are frequently used commands, I
was wondering if anyone knows which package imake is part of.  I
must be missing a package somewhere, though I thought I had everything
installed that I needed.

Can't find imake anywhere,

Thanks for the help,

Casey


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Re: [QF] fetchmail

1997-08-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

Hmm, I think we need a smail expert here. (I run sendmail, and
 have never run anything else) I also think that that (null) should
 have been your hostname, or your fully qualified domain name, and for
 some reason it is not set. Have you set up /etc/hosts and
 /etc/resolv.conf? What do you get from hostname and hostname -f?

manoj

__> hostname
tiamat
__> hostname -f
tiamat.datasync.com
__> fetchmail -a -v
 [...]
fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2487 octets
reading message 1 of 6 (2487 bytes)
fetchmail: SMTP< 220 tiamat.datasync.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.7/8.8.7/Debian/GNU; 
Thu, 28 Aug 1997 01:30:24 -0500
fetchmail: SMTP> EHLO datasync.com
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-tiamat.datasync.com Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[205.216.83.252], pleased to meet you
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-EXPN
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-VERB
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-8BITMIME
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-SIZE
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-DSN
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ONEX
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-ETRN
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-XUSR
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 HELP
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=2487
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Sender ok
fetchmail: SMTP> RCPT TO:
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 ... Recipient ok
fetchmail: SMTP> DATA
fetchmail: SMTP< 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
#**
fetchmail: SMTP>. (EOM)
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 BAA03582 Message accepted for delivery
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Re: network monitoring program

1997-08-28 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote:

 : I'm looking for a program that will log when the network goes down and
 : possiblely create a summary file.

You might to want to have a look at BigBrother.

URL: http://www.iti.qc.ca/iti/users/sean/bb-dnld/

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pgp and mail readers

1997-08-28 Thread Walter L. Preuninger II
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

I have enabled pine to use the alternate editor hack, but was wondering
what mail client is primarily used? I have some friends that use mutt, and
if I use pine to send encrypted mail to them... all they see is the
encrypted data (Something to do with the mime types?)

Thanks

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fsck from cron?

1997-08-28 Thread mfrattola
Hi all!
I had a problem on a debian box (not related to debian, I think it's hardware)
but I'd like to ask here anyway. 
It's a 1.1 debian box with some upgrade to 1.2, pentium 166/64MB ram, ide disk
and aha2940+dat tape (I know, I know server should never use ide - I'll switch
to SCSI as soon as retailers open after summer vacations).
The problem was fs error totally blocking the machine.

After a bad day spent fsck'ing an ide disk with file system inconsistencies
(was that the word?) I was wondering if/how was possible to do some kind of
scheduled-fsck checks for those machines that never reboot (well, almost never),
something done weekly, monthly .. That would not eliminate fs errors (I have
never seen fs errors on a linux box in 4 years), but would catch them early and
on a regular base.
I think this can be quite tricky, since when you check / you have nothing to
write to (no mail/log file), and I'm not so sure what the best check order
would be (check / first, check it last), and I don't know if cron can be run
on a system in that state.

Before the crash, that system showed strange messages that were never logged
anywhere. I don't have them, since I was not there when machine stopped, but
I wonder why file system inconsistencies are not logged. Some weeks ago we
had messages saying something like "bad pdm .." I wrote it on a piece of paper,
so I can send it if this can help understand what happened. Those messages
were not logged too (that's why I understimated them).

Thanks for your help/suggestion/comments. Thanks to all developers for their
gd work.

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network monitoring program

1997-08-28 Thread Paul Miller
I'm looking for a program that will log when the network goes down and
possiblely create a summary file.

-Paul


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Re: CDROM death

1997-08-28 Thread tko
Bob Nielsen writes:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Carl Flippin wrote:
> 
> > Every time I try to access my cdrom under any distribution of Linux, 
> > the entire system goes into limbo. My drive is connected to a PAS 16 
> > and it appears that autoprobe is finding it since the light on the 
> > drive flashes. The drive is a Toshiba 2x. Has anyone heard of this 
> > problem before? Do I need to get a new CDROM drive?
> 
> I would strongly recommend that you compile the appropriate non-IDE driver
> into your kernel and avoid autoprobing.  I had many problems with
> autoprobing a Creative Labs CD-ROM.   

Or as an alternative, if Carl is using LILO, he can use the "append" command
and reserve the affected area and supply the needed parameters. I did this
with an ethernet card which didn't like autoprobe.

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Help with EQL

1997-08-28 Thread Rowan Deppeler
 Hi All,

Could anyone point me towards documentation or help me with setting up EQL?

I have installed the module in kernel 2.0.30 without problems but do not
know where to go from there?

thanks

Rowan
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Re: Linux in Wired

1997-08-28 Thread Tan Wee Yeh
Ted Harding wrote,
:The first sentence I heartily support: when you need to get work done
:you are likely to be forced into running an MS-Win application at some
:stage and, if you can't run it on Linux, too bad.

I would not agree fully with you.  I have been off MS-Win for
more than 2 years now and do not see a need of going back to
it.  The only time I needed to use it is when my University
requires us to present the statistics in Excel and I almost
puke using it.

Maybe its becuase all my presentations to date are quite 
technical and there is no need for flashy stuff.


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Re: sendmail/smail and off-line mail

1997-08-28 Thread Gonzalo Diethelm
[This may have been sent twice. Sorry if that is the case.]

On Aug 25, 1997, at 12:41, Alexander Stavitsky wrote:
 > Apparently I have found that sendmail is easier to setup, than smail.
 > I might be wrong but the horrible sendmail setup stories seem to
 > originate before the use of m4 macros.

I concur.

 > If you do something standard there are m4 macros written for you so you
 > don't have to touch sendmail.cf
 > 
 > I have setup of 8 computers with the central mail spool and I
 > did not change a single line in sendmail.cf.
 > I did all the changes in sendmail.mc which consisted of ~10 lines.
 > I might be wrong but when I tried to do that with smail it would require
 > editing more than one file with more than 10 lines each.
 > 
 > For me sendmail was easier than smail.

Alexander, could you share with me your sendmail.mc? This is the setup
I need, and I decided to switch back to sendmail, so I can administer
just one MTA everywhere I work:

1. Local mail gets delivered right away (or as soon as sendmail kicks
   in). If I send mail from 'usera' to 'userb' (just like that, no
   domain specification), I want userb to see her mail as coming from
   'usera' (no domain). [This last one is a weak requirement, and I
   could live without it].

2. Outgoing mail gets queued until I dial up my ISP. At this point, I
   may want to force its delivery by issuing 'sendmail -q'. If I send
   mail from 'usera' to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Bruce must see this mail
   as coming from '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (that is, for outgoing mail I
   wish to masquerade as 'my.isp.site').

3. I'll fetch incoming mail with fetchmail, which will deliver it to
   port 25 (SMTP). If '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' sent mail to
   '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', I would like sendmail to deliver it to usera's
   local spool file; Bruce's address should be kept intact.

I would guess this is a very straightforward and, what's more
important, very common, setup. I'm CCing the list so that, if anybody
else besides Alexander has any insight, they can share it with
others. If this is not a FAQ or a standard option in sendmail's
configuration, somebody (I?) should file a "bug/enhancement" report
and/or implement it. Of course, if it is already there, I should just
shut up.

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Errors from make config

1997-08-28 Thread Steve Mayer
Manoj,

  Here are the error messages that are referenced to stdlib.h: 

gcc -o configure configure.c
In file included from configure.c:21:
/usr/include/stdlib.h:333: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:336: parse error before `wchar_t'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:345: parse error before `*'
/usr/include/stdlib.h:347: parse error before `*'
make: *** [configure] Error 1

I caused this error to occur by issuing the make config command from the
/usr/src/linux/drivers/sound directory, but it is the same error that is
received when doing a top level make config.

The output from the dpkg -l command is as follows:

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-
ii  libc5   5.4.33-3   The Linux C library version 5 (run-time libr
ii  libc6   2.0.4-1The GNU C library version 2 (run-time files)
ii  gcc 2.7.2.1-8  The GNU C compiler (ELF version).
ii  libc5-dev   5.4.33-3   The Linux C library version 5 (development f
ii  binutils2.8.1-2The GNU assembler, linker and binary utiliti
ii  make3.75-6 The GNU version of the "make" utility.
ii  bin86   0.4-3  Assembler and loader for kernel compilation.
ii  gawk3.0.2-1GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing l
ii  gzip1.2.4-15   The GNU compression utility.
ii  shellutils  1.16-5 The GNU shell programming utilities.
ii  grep2.0-12 GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.
ii  cpp 2.7.2.2-7  The GNU C preprocessor.


Any help that you can offer me on this will be greatly appreciated.  

Thanks,

Steve Mayer
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adding users with samba

1997-08-28 Thread Jason Killen

I have just dpkged samba and I am trying to set up users.  I need to 
create a samba login for everyone in /etc/passwd.  I haven't found an
easy way to do this, or any way that actually worked.  When I run
addtosmbpass it just sits.  I guess my question is what is the syntax 
for running addtosmbpass, the  HOWTO mentions redirecting a file but
I get kind of lost in all of that, and is there an easy to add an entry
in the samba password file for everyone in /etc/passwd.

Thanks again guys/gals.


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Need pppd/PAP guru!

1997-08-28 Thread Kevin Traas
Just recently, I've implemented an ISDN connection to my ISP.  However, I've
never been able to use more than one of the B channels at a time - i.e. no
MPPP.

I'm using a Hayes Accura ISDN External TA attached to a Hayes ESP running at
460Kbps.  I've only been able to get the connection working using the V.120
protocol.

I've been talking with my ISP.  They tell me that I won't be able to
"bundle" B channels using the V.120 (ATB20) asynchronous protocol and that
I'm going to have to use PPP Async-Sync (ATB40) in order to establish a
synchronous PPP connection.  They tell me that they support this without any
problems; however, I'm going to have to use PAP rather than CHAP
authentication.

The problem here is that I've never used PAP.  I've tried many various
things to get this working, but I haven't been successful so far.  I've been
reading the PPP-Howto and the PPP docs; however, they seem to deal mostly
with configuring *incoming* PAP authentication and don't get into any great
detail on setting up PAP for outgoing PPP connections.

I've configured /etc/ppp/pap-secrets as per the PPP-Howto.  I think it's now
a matter of getting the pppd options right.  Right now, in testing, I'm
using minicom to establish the connection, doing Ctrl-A Q to exit without
reset, and then running:

pppd -d -detach /dev/ttyP40 user  &

This is an example of my /var/log/ppp.log entry for this pppd session:
(It's probably pretty broken up due to line lengths)  I've included
comments as to my understanding of what is happening throughout the log
entries


Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: pppd 2.2.0 started by admin, uid 0
Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyP40
Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
]

^^^  It looks like I'm requesting PAP in the line above, doesn't it?

Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 
]

^^^ The remote end doesn't like pcomp and accomp (What are these
anyway?)

Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 
  ]

^^^ Here, my end is requesting the same as the first time, only without
pcomp and accomp  Right?

Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
 ]

^^^ Is this the other end requesting that I use PAP too?  Or just
acknowledging receipt of my request?

Aug 27 14:46:46 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 
 ]

^^^ This looks like me sending an Ack on the PAP request

Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x2 ]

^^^ And then, is this the remote end sending me a Nak on my request for CHAP
authentication?  I haven't requested CHAP to this point - I'm wondering if
I'm somehow sending clear text across the synchronous link that the remote
end is taking to mean that I want to authenticate using CHAP???  Your
thoughts?

Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 
 ]
Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 
 ]

As far as I can tell, these lines are just the two ends agreeing to use an
mru of 1500 ???

Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: peer refused to authenticate
Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x4]
Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: Modem hangup
Aug 27 14:46:47 sally pppd[13583]: Connection terminated.

Below occurred after I did a "kill 13583" to kill the "hung" pppd process.

Aug 27 14:47:35 sally pppd[13583]: Terminating on signal 15.
Aug 27 14:47:35 sally pppd[13583]: Failed to open /dev/ttyP40: Interrupted
system call
Aug 27 14:47:35 sally pppd[13583]: Exit.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Kevin Traas   Baan Business Systems
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Re: Off-topic - tcpload

1997-08-28 Thread Rob MacWilliams
>> 
>> I have need for something to show me the load on an interface and so far I
>> have not been able to find anything.  tcpview looks promising but there is
>> no binary.  Any ideas?  I'm interested in both eth0 and ppp0 interfaces.

Check out http://www.chariot.com/linapps.html there might be help there

>> 
>> And another question - how many hosts can one have on a single thin
>> ethernet cable?

There is a link to the ethernet how-to on :
http://www.netevolve.com/lazar/
also helpful is:
http://www.inetassist.com/

Lotsa Luck

Rob

>> 
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>> voice +61 8 9316 2486modem +61 8 9364-9832  32S, 116E
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[QF] fetchmail

1997-08-28 Thread kestrel
I ran fetchmail -a -v -k and got the following:

fetchmail: 3.8.0 querying orion (protocol POP3) at Wed Aug 27 21:46:49 1997
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at orion.aye.net starting. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
fetchmail: POP3> USER kestrel
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for kestrel.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK kestrel has 1 message (864 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 864
fetchmail: 1 message at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 864 octets
reading message 1 (864 bytes)
fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< this is just a test for purposes of checking fetchmail
fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from orion
fetchmail: 3.8.0 querying orion (protocol POP3) at Wed Aug 27 21:46:50 1997
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at orion.aye.net starting. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
fetchmail: POP3> USER wraith
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for wraith.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK wraith has 0 messages (0 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 0
fetchmail: No mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Pop server at orion.aye.net signing off.
fetchmail: 3.8.0 querying orion (protocol POP3) at Wed Aug 27 21:46:51 1997
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.2) at orion.aye.net starting. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
fetchmail: POP3> USER shadows
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for shadows.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK shadows has 0 messages (0 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 0
fetchmail: No mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Pop server at orion.aye.net signing off.
fetchmail: normal termination, status 1

the error seems to be in the SMTP connect to (null) failed

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Re: Incorporation and Version Numbering

1997-08-28 Thread Bruce Perens
I'm not posting any more messages about this on debian-user. Take it up
on debian-devel or in private mail if you wish.

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RE: Win 95 + Linux

1997-08-28 Thread wb2oyc

On 05:51:09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Is it possible to connect a win95 machine to a linux with a serial cable
>using PPP?
>
>--
The question in my mind is why you'd even bother?  Just use slattach.
On the Win95, the SLIP support is there, but its hidden.  You'll have to
get it off the CD distribution.  It works fine, they just don't install it.
Using slattach is far easier to deal with in my opinion.  A small two-line
maybe three, script and its done.  Especially useful for laptops that you
might not have a network card for, etc.  Works fine, lasts long time.  And
a lot less hassle.


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Re: reading mail locally

1997-08-28 Thread Debian mail-lists receiver
Hi.  I don't know that much about delivery, but you might want to check out
if your remote server supports a post-office-protocol (like POP3?).  I use
this to download my mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] from my remote mail server
(mail.strhg1.mi.home.com), specifically I use the "fetchmail" package to
do this.  The remote server collects the mail there, then, whenever my
machine is up, I run fetchmail and the mail is transferred directly to
my local machine (I also have a "cron" job that runs fetchmail every 4
hours).  Sounds like its just what you're looking for.

HTH

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The GNOME Desktop project (fwd)

1997-08-28 Thread Craig Sanders

here's an alternative for all those who like the idea of KDE, but don't like
the fact that it's based on a non-free GUI toolkit.

this one's based on the Gimp's GTK, which *is* free.

enjoy

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>From: Miguel de Icaza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
>Subject: The GNOME Desktop project
>Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:43:42 GMT
>Organization: none
>Lines: 103
>Approved: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Wirzenius)
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


   The GNOME Desktop project
(GNU Network Object Model Environment)
http://bananoid.nuclecu.unam.mx/gnome


* Goals

We want to develop a free and complete set of user friendly
applications and desktop tools, similar to CDE and KDE but based
entirely on free software:

- We want the applications to have a common look and feel, and
  to share as many visual elements and UI concepts as possible.

- We want to use the GTK toolkit as our toolkit for writing
  the applications.  

  The GTK toolkit (http://www.cs.umn.edu/~amundson/gtk and
  http://levien.com/~slow/gtk/) is the toolkit written by
  Peter Mattis, Spencer Kimball, Josh MacDonald, for the GNU
  Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) project
  (http://scam.xcf.berkeley.edu/~gimp).

- We want to encourage people to contribute code and to test
  the code, so that the software will compile out of the box
  by using GNU's tools for automatic source configuration.

- We plan to export the GTK API through a procedural database
  (which will in fact be an object database) to allow easy
  integration with scripting languages and modules written in
  other languages.

- We plan to use GTK/Scheme bindings for coding small
  utilities and applications.  When these bindings are more
  mature, it should be possible to write complete applications
  in Scheme.

* Some common questions regarding the project

Why don't you just use/contribute to KDE?

KDE is a nice project; they have good hackers working on it and
they have done a very good job.  Unfortunately, they selected the
non-free Qt toolkit as the foundation for the project, which poses
legal problems for those desiring to redistribute the software.

Why not write a free Qt replacement instead?

The KDE project -in its current form- has about 89,000 lines of
code, on the other hand, the source code for the Qt library has
about 91,000 lines.

Qt also forces the programmer to write his code in C++ or Python.
Gtk can be used in C, Scheme, Python, C++, Objective-C and Perl. 

Also, we believe that KDE has some design problems (they have lots
of good ideas though) that we plan to fix.

Under what license does the GNOME fall?

As most GNU software, GNOME application code will be released
under the GNU GPL.  GNOME specific libraries will be released
under the terms of the GNU LGPL.

Will you rewrite everything from scratch?

No.  We will try to reuse the existing code for GNU programs as
much as possible, while adhering to the guidelines of the project.
Putting nice and consistent user interfaces over all-time
favorites will be one of the projects.

We plan on reusing code from KDE as well.

* Joining the GNOME mailing list:

We have created a mailing list for people interested in discussing
the development of this project.  To subscribe, use this command:

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java/c++ ide

1997-08-28 Thread Craig Sanders

somebody was recently asking about an IDE for java.  I just found the
following on comp.os.linux.announce, dated 28th June (i don't have time
to read it regularly any more)



>From: Falko Braeutigam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
>Subject: WipeOut 1.07 - C++/Java Development Environment
>Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:7:24 GMT
>Organization: softwarebuero m&b
>Lines: 37
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

*** Announcing WipeOut version 1.07 ***

WipeOut is an integrated development environment for C++ and Java. It
contains project manager, class browser, make tool, central text editor
with syntax highlighting and a debugger frontend. WipeOut is available
for Linux and SunOS/Solaris both under XView.

For the new release we have especially extended the class browser and
the text editor. 
Check out the changes list for all new features and fixed bugs.

You can obtain the software and documentation at:
http://www.softwarebuero.de/index-eng.html


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