Re: X-forwarding with ssh doesn't work

[Jeff]

Tim Dijkstra, 2001-Nov-16 23:52 +0100:
> nate wrote:
> 
> >Tim Dijkstra said:
> >
> >
> >>debug1: Requesting pty.
> >>debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
> >>debug1: Requesting shell.
> >>debug1: Entering interactive session.
> >>
> >>Is that enough? Does anybody with X-forw working correctly gets the
> >>same  output?
> >>
> >
> >
> >pretty much. how bout when you start an X app?
> >
> >sample output from one of my servers:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xbrup
> >debug1: Received X11 open request.
> >debug1: fd 4 setting O_NONBLOCK
> >debug1: fd 4 IS O_NONBLOCK
> >debug1: channel 0: new [X11 connection from my.server.name port 3106]
> >(here i see the X app load on my local system)
> >
> 
> I get no output at all. Think that's not good.
> 
> I can't say much about your probs... my own are worse I think.
> 
> Tim

I use ssh X-forwarding without a problem.  Here's what I do:

Scenario #1:
Laptop running potato/SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol
version 1.5.

Server running potato/SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol
version 1.5.

>From Laptop:
$ ssh -n -X Server xchat

This brings up 'xchat' running from Server onto Laptop

Scenario #2:
Same Laptop

Server running woody/OpenSSH_2.9p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0,
OpenSSL 0x0090602f

>From Laptop:
$ ssh -n -X -l user Server gkrellm -f

This brings up 'gkrellm' running from Server onto Laptop

Works like a charm...jc

-- 
Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer
Diggin' Debian  Admin and User

Re: starting netscape without toolbar and addressbar

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 04:51:57PM +0100, Thomas Halahan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hi deb-user,
> 
> I have a role account on my network where users logging on will have
> netscape started for them directed to the intranet.  I think I can get
> netscape to boot up ok on login but don't know how to start it without
> the addressbar and icon bar shown at the top.  Does anyone know how to
> disable this (not in preferences I don't think).  

Galeon is better suited to this:

$ galeon -f

...invokes the program in fullscreen (kiosk) mode.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgp9cz4QFIaZL.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: /var/lib/dpkg/status

[Karsten M. Self]

on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 06:09:17AM -0800, James Vahn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> How is it possible to rebuild the status file other than by using one
> of the 3 month old "yesterday.gz" backups?  A filesystem crash caused
> the inclusion of binary crud into the current and last two versions. It
> would be preferable to generate new, rather than recycle an old file.

/var/backups

You might also check the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list.

And, hint:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpOyxEhHAhg7.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Best deal on a scsi DAT =>10Gig range...............

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:20:03PM -0500, Courtney Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Greetings !
> 
> I'm finding that as my drives are growing my old DATs are keeping me
> hopping trying to cram it all in.

Realize that there's a lot of your system you don't need to archive.
I'd stick to /home, /etc, /usr/local, /boot, /root, and bits of /var.
For more on the subject, see:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html


> Of course if cost were irrelevant I wouldn't ask the question.
> 
> Anyway, considering both media and drive what's the
> consensus/experience ?

DAT/DDS is prolly your best nexus of cost, performance, capacity, and
convenience.  My last price check was Pricewatch.com, October of last
year.  I'm seeing 20GB drives for < US$300, 20/40 GB DDS4 for ~$1000,
and an 40/80 GB DLT drive for about $1700 in a local advertising
circular.  Before you compare these to equivalent storage, recall that
media cost a fraction (though not as insignificant as previously) of the
cost of disk storage, and are far more durable.  Looks like about $15-20
for DDS4 media.

> If there's an option that is dollar cost-competitive with DAT that I'm
> unaware of, please enlighten me.

Possibly DVD-R.  Comperable capacity.

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpg1HgA6XuUj.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: 404s on update/install

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:12:45PM -0600, Donald R. Spoon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> > 
> > --snip-- <
> > This is occurring because you're trying to update your system while the
> > mirror is itself updating its archive.
> > 
> > In the Debian mirroring scheme, Packages files often end up being
> > updated before the actual package files.  So it's not uncommon for a
> > Packages file to refer to foo_1.2.3-1_i386.deb before that package
> > actually exists in the archive.
> > 
> > This situation doesn't typically last long, and is corrected as soon as
> > the mirror has finished updating.
> > 
> > I have also seen this happen for longer periods of time in the even that
> > a mirror's disk fills up and its archive is not in a consistant state.
> > I know this has happened at least once with one of the machines that
> > comprises http.us.debian.org.
> > 
> > noah
> 
> Sounds quite plausable to me.  Thanks!
> 
> Is there any way to determine this situation "up-front" in the
> process?  The reason I ask is that I have about 5 computers I am
> trying to keep updated here.  Doing each one manually each day coupled
> with the "re-trys" is getting to be quite a PITA.  It is a good thing
> I am retired, but the wife is getting a little peeved.   
> 
> I have been toying with the idea of setting up a cron job to do the
> updates, but I haven't figured out a satisfactory way to detect this
> condition and abort the update then try again a bit later.
> 
> Maybe a script that checks for the presence of this error code and
> then exits without completing + logged message to that effect??  I
> guess you could set the timing of the cron job that calls this script
> such that it gives the delay you want...dunno.  

My own fix is as follows.

First, for your five systems, a local mirror, or (my preference) a large
squid archive tuned to archive large (e.g.:  10-60 MB) files will speed
sequential updates.  Set this up as a transparent proxy on your gateway
box.

For a recursive request, I run the following, currently only from
command line, though I'm considering adding it to my apt-get cron job:

sleeptime=  # say, several minutes
apt-get update

i=1  # initialize a counter

# Keep trying until successful
while ! echo y | apt-get -d dist-upgrade
do
sleep $sleeptime# wait for the problem to go away
i=$(( i + 1 ))  # increment counter
apt-get update  # check for updated packges, in case
done
echo "Iterations:  $i"

...which will continue until successful.  Set your 'sleeptime' to
something sane.  I figure 1-10 minutes is reasonable.

If you want to let your other boxen know when the archive's been pulled,
you can set up a semaphore.  Actually, this doesn't much matter as once
you've pulled a particular file, the other boxes should pick it up from
the local cache.

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpCoTYBUXoB0.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: 404s on update/install

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 12:10:27PM -0800, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> > 
> > > This is occurring because you're trying to update your system while the
> > > mirror is itself updating its archive.
> > > 
> > > In the Debian mirroring scheme, Packages files often end up being
> > > updated before the actual package files.  So it's not uncommon for a
> > > Packages file to refer to foo_1.2.3-1_i386.deb before that package
> > > actually exists in the archive.
> > 
> > I suppose this is because the mirroring software doesn't understand that
> > the package list's usefulness is dependent on the packages actually
> > being there. Isn't there some way to ensure that the package list is the
> > last thing updated for each section of the repository, by suitably
> > configuring the software? I can't possibly be the first person to think
> > of this, can I?
> 
> If the packages are 404, the older Packages.gz list won't be valid
> either.

Not if the older packages aren't deleted until the last step of the
upgrade:

  - Update new packages.
  - Save new Packages.gz files to temporary location.
  - Move new Packages.gz files to permanent location (overwriting old
Packages.gz files).
  - Delete obsoleted package files.

This would make updates atomic.

> > Sid is generally updated every single day, so, from what you're
> > saying, every single day there is a period of time, of whatever
> > duration, when apt-get update/upgrade will fail. This is not good.
> > The package repository should always be logically consistent from
> > the user's perspective.
> > 
> > I run into this problem probably at least once a week, so either my luck
> > has been bad far beyond the limits of probability, or these brief
> > inconsistencies aren't nearly as brief as you seem to think.
> 
> Jeez, if you're running sid, you really should follow the devel list,
> in which case you would have read the discussion about this yesterday.
> One dev said the ftp-master went down during the sync, another was
> looking for problems with rsync.

I subscribe to devel, but read it rarely (high traffic, hard to find
what's relevant).  It's usually easier to use it as I am now -- if
there's a problem, find the relevant discussion in devel.

The 404 problem has existed for a long time -- though not to quite the
extent it's been of late.  I cron my apt-get updates and save the job
output emails, with records dating to January, 2000.  I found a number
of errors in August, only one in September, several in October, and Nov
1, 3, 4, 5, 7-12, and 15th.  The problem appears to be getting worse.

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpxpiOsMRH5M.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: xscreensaver on woody

[Mike McNally]

The man page has some specific info on xdm and gdm but nothing on wdm.
I'm no guru but my suggestion is if you don't have some reason that you
need a gui login screen, get rid of it, and just use startx to start X.
Then you can just put the command xsreensaver in your gnome control
panel startup programs.  In fact that may work without removing wdm.  
It worked for me.  I had to run xsreensaver-demo and unselect all the 
screensavers that won't work with my non-3d graphics card and then I was 
in business.

To remove wdm use dselect or apt-get remove wdm.  Then I'd check to make
sure there wasn't a wdm script in /etc/init.d.  If there is use
update-rc.d wdm remove.  May need to throw a -f in there.


On Thu 08 Nov 2001, George Karaolides wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm running woody, using the icewm window manager.
> 
> I can start xscreensaver from the command line, and I need to get it to
> start when I log in (from wdm).  I've tried to put "xscreensaver
> -no-splash &" in my ~/.xsession file without success.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> George Karaolides   8, Costakis Pantelides St.,
-- 

Mike McNally[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: apt-get: 404s on update/install

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 11:05:41AM -0800, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm getting problems with 404 codes on apt-get dist-upgrade or install
> > > attempts, in particular, from http.us.debian.org.
> > 
> > I've seen that occasionally, but usually if I try again after an hour,
> > everything's fine. The only exception to that was Wednesday evening this
> > week, where the 404's persisted. I took Mozilla and went to look at a
> > directory listing of the site, and indeed, the files that the package
> > listed claimed were available simply weren't there.
> > 
> > Thursday evening, all went well. I'm surprised you're having this
> > problem late Thursday night, assuming that you sent your mail after
> > verifying that the problem was still present.
> > 
> > As to what causes this, I have no idea, but I think it could be
> > prevented if the mirroring system made sure that the actual package tree
> > was updated before the package list.
> 
> Word on the devel list was that the ftp-master (auric) went down in
> the middle of a sync, and hence the inconsistencies.  Should be fixed
> by now.

Hmm...

Any discussion on making syncs atomic, so that until a the update's
completed, the old packages are available, and the old package files are
authoritative?

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgppHSnqTYiaj.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Help for the UDMAmentally challenged ...

[Steffen Evers]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 13:42, Hank Marquardt wrote:
> I used hdparm -d1 to turn it on for the drives and that boosts to 41Mbs on the
> drives, but the pdc still shows the following:

There are several things that need to be
set to use UDMA in order to make it work:

1. PCI Bus
2. Controller
3. Drives

Make sure you have these two settings in your kernel set:
CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y
CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y

There are extra dma settings for this controller as well, I think ...

Compiling the kernel was the best solution for me.

Bye, Steffen

Re: "Linux window" in Windows

[Rick Macdonald]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:48:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Is there a way to access my linux partition and bootstrap Linux on top of 
> > Windows? Such as, pop up a Linux window in Windows 98 that boots my kernel 
> > from my Linux partition, without rebooting?
> 
> VMWare would be the only way I know of doing this.
> 
> http://www.vmware.com

VMWare doesn't run on Win98 hosts, only NT/2000/XP (and Linux). You could
run the Linux version of VMWare and boot Win98 in a window. This is fine
for things like office-type apps and network programs. More specifically,
you can't run games well in a guest Windows session running under VMWare
because of video, sound and joystick issues. Also, it costs US$300 and
their support is a joke. I run VMWare on Linux in the office with NT in a
virtual machine (in a window), and it's a lifesaver for me, but at home
I'd buy a second computer to run games and audio/video software. There is
a VMWare Express for Linux that is cheaper, but somewhat restricted.

...RickM...

Re: 404s on update/install

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:12:45PM -0600, Donald R. Spoon wrote:
> Is there any way to determine this situation "up-front" in the process? 
> The reason I ask is that I have about 5 computers I am trying to keep
> updated here.  Doing each one manually each day coupled with the
> "re-trys" is getting to be quite a PITA.  It is a good thing I am
> retired, but the wife is getting a little peeved.   

Mirrors - at least the primary ones - have an
'Archive-Update-in-Progress' file in their root directory while they're
updating. You could check for that and abort if it's present. Not sure
if all the mirrors are exactly the same that way, though.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: upgrade errors

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 05:06:35PM -0500, Daniel D Jones wrote:
> Running woody with kernel 2.4.14.  I do a daily apt-get update and upgrade.  
> Almost daily, I see errors like this:
[...]
> I can manualy install the packages via dpkg --force.  Is this errors in the 
> package or something with my system?

They're packaging errors.

> Running Sid on another system, I never see these types of  errors.

sid is ahead of woody, so I assume they're fixed there.

Cheers,

-- 
Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

UnrealTourney can't find VooDoo 3

[JakeCatfox]

I have a VooDoo 3 installed and the dev/3dfx device installed with the 
correct major/minor numbers, but Unreal Tournament Demo always quits saying 
it can't find the V3/Banshee card.

Does anyone know why it's doing this?
-- Deven Gallo

Re: Adsl/network problem "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable"

[Brian P. Flaherty]

Are you sure that you card is up before you try to connect?  Before
you type the dhcpd command, what do you see when you type ifconfig?
Is the module loaded (lsmod)?

Re: "Linux window" in Windows

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:48:33PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there a way to access my linux partition and bootstrap Linux on top of 
> Windows? Such as, pop up a Linux window in Windows 98 that boots my kernel 
> from my Linux partition, without rebooting?

VMWare would be the only way I know of doing this.

http://www.vmware.com

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix


pgpJIJJlbHbty.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: OT: How long has your Linux system been up ?

[Walt Mankowski]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 03:25:41AM -0600, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 10:18:33AM +0100, Pietro Cagnoni wrote:
> > > i believe that bug was fixed in linux a few years ago.
> > > 
> > > theres no longer a 497 day limit ..
> > 
> > could someone please tell me for sure? i'm at 470 right now... :-)
> 
> Since it wasn't fixed 470 days ago, I think your counter's going to
> overflow. ;)

470 days sounds like less than "a few years".  :-)  Oh well, I suppose
you'll find out soon enough...

Walt



pgplWVnC7BKrm.pgp
Description: PGP signature

"Linux window" in Windows

[JakeCatfox]

Is there a way to access my linux partition and bootstrap Linux on top of 
Windows? Such as, pop up a Linux window in Windows 98 that boots my kernel 
from my Linux partition, without rebooting?

Thanks,
Deven Gallo

Re: Making a TCP or UDP or Unux Socket Server Listen on a port

[shyamk]

Yesterday , I was speaking about a nteworking program (client-server) , , client
running on 10.10.1.15
and server (prog.) running on 10.10.1.4

I am very grateful for the generous help of  suggestions ,
I received from all.

Well this is the current situation :-

1) I  started the server program at 10.10.1.4
2)   I did  netstat -an|grep 9888   at  10.10.1.4 and received the following
information:-
 [shyam@ 10.110.1.4 shyam] $ netstat -an|grep 9888
 tcp00  0.0.0.0.98880.0.0.0.*LISTEN

3) I also tried from the  (supposed  client mac) 10.10.1.1.:-
  telnet  10.10.1.4  23
 & I am getting connected .
4) Now on 10.10.1.15  , I start  the client program  and  try netstat on the
server (10.10.1.4)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] shyam] $ netstat -an|grep 9888
tcp00  10.10.1.4:988810.10.1.15:1025ESTABLISHED
tcp 00  0.0.0.9888  0.0.0.0:*LISTEN
5) Now the client (10.10.1.15) types in some message  that is
  supposed to go to the server. and this is where my problems start :

  The program  has been written such that , once the server sitting at 
10.10.1.4  and
  listening at 9888  , gets what the client has typed , ( which I do not see on 
the
server prog's
  console)  , the server flashes a reply back to the client (and he is supposed 
to
see that)

BUT , neither the message  typed by the client on his console , nor the message
 typed by the server on his console , get displayed on the other's console !


I reason out two possible causes : -
1) a) Maybe , programmatically , I need to indicate EOL  or EOT ,  on each side
to show that each has completed his writing and to finally send it .
b) May be , the programs have not handled  input/output properly .
.
2) May be, the data  may not be moving across the wire .

But when I checked things out , I do not find  reasons  for suspecting the 
program.

Should I attach the server(tcp) and the client(tcp) ?

Thanks for all help,
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Shyam

- Original Message -
From: "Dmitriy Kropivnitskiy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Making a TCP or UDP or Unux Socket Server Listen on a port


Can your systems ping each other?

On Thursday 15 November 2001 11:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am having  Server Programs (for TCP,UDP,Unix Sockets) , that listen on a
> port number say , 9888 at
> 10.10.1.4
> and they are being contacted by a Client (for TCP,UDP,Unix Sockets)  Linux
> machine from 10.10.1.1 .
>
> Both macines are on the LAN , nothing more nothing less . We have not yet
> gone for any higher stuff like DNS , etc . So , basically  10.10.1.4
> and 10.10.1.1 are not on any Linux network , but simply they identify and
> respond on the LAN.
>
> My Clients and Server (socket  programs) do not communicate at all on this
> network .
>
> Please guide me on what I should do .
>
> My line of thinking is : Add some  entry to the
> /etc/services   specifying the port , but this is what I tried and failed
> :- # At the bottom of /etc/services  :-
> tcp 9888/tcp
> a.out 9889/tcp
>
> Please help me get these programs to communicate .
>
> Warm regards,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Shyam

Re: Two-button mice and pasting in X

[Eric G. Miller]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:28:44 -0600
Mike McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I use the mouse to paste in X, say from one xterm to another,
> if there is a tab in the line it gets duplicated on ea successive
> line and is sort of a recursive thing like this:
> 
> lets post
>   this
> one
>   two
>   three
> 
> 
> ### comes out looking like this ###
> 
> 
> lets post
> this
>   one
>   two
>   three
> 
> exactly like that... I used the mouse to do it.  How do I fix this
> so the cut and paste function doesn't goof up the tabs?

Are you pasting into a bash shell?  I wouldn't think so.  But, if you're
pasting into an xterm running vim, you're seeing autoindent in action.

:set paste
:set nopaste

-- 
Eric G. Miller 

Re: Opinions on Laptops to Install With Debian

[Oleksandr Moskalenko]

* Mark Seven Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Someone recently pointed me towards eBay regarding my video 
> card delimma; but when I considered the matter, what I 
> *really* want, is a LAPTOP, than I can use from bed (i have 
> some health difficulties) for learning Linux, and doing a 
> lot of paperless reading...
> 
> What sort of a laptop should I look for, in terms of what 
> is really compatible with Linux, and especially DEBIAN?
> 
> There are decent offers for IBM ThinkPads, for instance 
> (Such as an offer for an "IBM Thinkpad 560X, P233, 24XCD, 
> 96MB, 4GB,56k", $113.50 (two of 'em like this)).
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> TIA,

  Toshiba Portege 660CDT runs it perfectly here. You really should check
out the http://www.linux-laptop.net/ though. It should answer 
your questions for almost any laptop under the sun. By the way, where
do people get a hold of laptops at such prices as you listed. I think I
saw one like that for $300 or more.

  Alex.

Re: Two-button mice and pasting in X

[Mike McNally]

When I use the mouse to paste in X, say from one xterm to another,
if there is a tab in the line it gets duplicated on ea successive
line and is sort of a recursive thing like this:

lets post
this
one
two
three


### comes out looking like this ###


lets post
this
one
two
three

exactly like that... I used the mouse to do it.  How do I fix this
so the cut and paste function doesn't goof up the tabs?

-- 

Mike McNally[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: best video card regarding license issues

[Sean]

On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 21:14, Brian Nelson wrote:
> Steffen Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have followed the recent discussion about vidoe cards on the list. I
> > have also been looking for a new video card and was thinking about a
> > Nvidea card. However, I have read about the license problems with
> > "tainting" (non-GPL) kernel modules for Nvidea acceleration. It seems
> > like that kernel hackers try to block out non-GPL code like this driver
> > (sounds reasonable to me ...).
> > In particular, Alan Cox has picked out the Nvidea kernel modules as a
> > good example how a module "taints" the kernel and explained that such
> > tainted kernels will be not debugged in the future.
> 
> Yeah, they won't be "blocked out", but the kernel hackers won't try to
> debug a tainted kernel, because they can't fix it.  Basically, I think
> they're sick of bug reports caused by bugs in non-free code.
> 

Of course if you think you've discovered a real kernel bug, it should be
reproducable from the console  so even if you're using the NVidia
module, you could unload the module, reproduct the kernel bug, and
submit it. I really don't see this being a real issue.


-- 

GPG Public Key available: http://nimh.freeshell.org/gpg_key.txt



pgpoz2iXLyCNq.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Trouble getting webmin-postfix; apt-get says perl isn't installed but it is

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, jennyw wrote:

> Thanks, I only just realized it was from woody ... I had added braincells so
> I could install imapd and that's where webmin-ssl came from, too.  So maybe
> I'll try woody since it has the software I'm most interested in ...
>
> Thanks!
>

Well the versions of uw-imapd-ssl and webmin (now 0.90, the version
displays correctly too.) that I have on my website are compiled for potato
so you shouldn't have had problems.

Try it again and let me know if you still have problems.

-- 
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Segmentation Fault w/ XF86Setup

[Rafe B.]

I just tried to upgrade my "potato" box with 
XFree86 from "unstable."  Bad idea?

This yields Segmentation Fault when I run XF86Setup.

Mildly chaotic "update" process, since I was 
a bit confused about the Deb packages to get.
I started with:

  xfree86-common
  x-window-system-core
  xserver-common

.. at which point XF86Setup still ran, but 
showed no video boards to select from.  Then 
I went and got:

  xserver-svga
  xserver-xfree86
  libgnomesupport0
  libgnomeui32
  libgnome-perl  // and finally:
  x-window-system

.. which is probably where I should have 
started.

This is on top of a plain vanilla 2.2r3 potato 
distro (does it matter?)  The "old" 3.3.6 
XFree86 worked just fine, but not on my new 
Matrox G-450 board.

Oddly enough, running xdm or startx produces 
a valiant try... there, the report is: 

(EE) No devices detected
 Fatal server error:
 no screens found

So my questions are:

1. Was it dumb to install XF86 4.1 on 
top of a 2.2r3 base (kernel 2.2.18pre21) ?

2. Is it possible that XF86Setup itself was 
somehow not updated?

3. Which deb contains XF86Setup?  Danged 
if I can figure it out...

4. What's the minimim base for running 
XF86 version 4.1.0-9?  Or is "apt-get" 
supposed to deal with such dependencies?

5. Suggestions on where to go from here...


Whew!  Many thanks in advance.  I'm way over 
my head here, I guess .


rafe b.

Re: best video card regarding license issues

[Brian Nelson]

Steffen Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> I have followed the recent discussion about vidoe cards on the list. I
> have also been looking for a new video card and was thinking about a
> Nvidea card. However, I have read about the license problems with
> "tainting" (non-GPL) kernel modules for Nvidea acceleration. It seems
> like that kernel hackers try to block out non-GPL code like this driver
> (sounds reasonable to me ...).
> In particular, Alan Cox has picked out the Nvidea kernel modules as a
> good example how a module "taints" the kernel and explained that such
> tainted kernels will be not debugged in the future.

Yeah, they won't be "blocked out", but the kernel hackers won't try to
debug a tainted kernel, because they can't fix it.  Basically, I think
they're sick of bug reports caused by bugs in non-free code.

> So, what do you know about graphic cards regarding driver's licenses?

Get a card with quality opensource drivers.  Matrox cards are known
for having nice drivers.  I'm not sure about others...

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Apache+PHP4+Postgresql

[Michael Ward Cole]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:07:31PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
> Michael Ward Cole wrote:
> 
> >I am trying to load PHP4 4.0.3 pl 1-0 on debian/linux 2.2.19 with 
> >Apache 1.3.9-13.2.  I keep having trouble with the libpgsql2 vs libpgsql2.1
> >with PHP4 saying that it needs sql2 > 6.4-0.  I don't understand why it
> >won't allow me to install all with the libpgsql7.1release-3.potato.1 that 
> >loads with postgresql7.1release-3.potato.1?
> >Thanks,
> >Michael
> >
> 
> I've been haggling with this one for  along time.
> 
> Unfortunately, the only way the I was able to get through the upgrade 
> was to remove everything and then put it back in.  IIRC, the problem was 
> not with the pgsql server, but the psaccess GUI for it.
> 
> I had to install pgsql, then work on the rest of them in one big apt-get 
> load.

My problem seems to be with the libpgsql2.1 component of the upgrade.
I have apache 1.3.22 installed and I have postgresql 7.1 installed.
I have php4 installed but can't get past the dependency on php4-pgsql.
It wants libpgsql2 (>=6.4-0) and won't acknowledge that libpgsql2.1
meets that criterion.  I am trying to do this using linux kernel
2.2.20 on a Pentium machine.  I have installed most of the potato
updates.  Is there a work around or is this a bug that will be
remedied in the near future?  I am not using IIRC.
Thanks,
Michael

!---
Michael Ward Cole, DO
1216 Cedar Point Drive
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451
757 428-9322 (Home)
757 475-3182 (Pager)

Re: masquerading for internet access - swopping eth0 and eth1

[Eric Smith]

According to Michel Loos on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:54:53PM -0200:
> On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 21:41, Eric Smith wrote:
> > 
> > I am on unstable and trying to give a client machine internet access.
> > 
> > eth1 on the server gets internet access via cable modem via dhcpcd and the
> > eth0 to the local LAN.  The client and server communicate fine but
> > the client does not get internet access.
> > 
> > Also the default ipmasq installation results in the following kernel
> > messages
> > 
> > Packet log: output DENY tap0 PROTO=17 192.168.0.1:1025 62.108.1.65:53 L=61 
> > S=0x00 I=45 F=0x T=64 (#2)
> > Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=2 62.108.30.1:65535 224.0.0.1:65535 L=28 
> > S=0xC0 I=15219 F=0x T=1 (#9)
> > 
> > 
> > I thought this would just work out of the box :(
> 
> It works out of the box if eth0 is external and eth1 is local.
> In your case you have to modify the 00Interfaces(?sp I use iptables now)
> file in order to switch external and internal ethernet cards.

Oh,

So I adapted one of the given examples thusly:

 auto eth0 eth1
 iface eth0 inet dhcp
 pre-up /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/check-mac-address.sh eth0 
00:50:Fc:43:Cd:F0
 up /etc/init.d/ipmasq start
 iface eth1 inet static
 pre-up /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/check-mac-address.sh eth1 
00:50:04:11:F3:EB
  address 192.168.0.1
  netmask 255.255.255.0
  up /sbin/dhcpcd

But still cannot switch the cards after a reboot.

Anything wrong with the above?

-- 
Eric Smith

Re: 2 GB limit with ext2

[Andreas Leitner]

On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 20:33, Emil Pedersen wrote:
> Oh, and testing would probably do just fine.  For my "normal" work
> machine I use a testing "enhanced" potato.  apt-0.5.4 let you keep one
> default release but gives you the abbility to "hand pick" things from
> testing.  Very neat.  I also use it (apt-get source/dpkg-buildpackage)
> to get testing packages compiled to my system, that if installed the
> standard way would have dragged in to much other new packages.  It
> doesn't always work, but most of the times.  Well worth a try...

I have heard that apt supports this now for a while, but never found out how to 
set it up and how to use it. Does anybody have any pointers?


tia,
Andreas
 

Re: ext3 in 2.4.15

[Greg Madden]

On Thursday 15 November 2001 08:32 am, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> OK, with ext3 in 2.4.15, what packages in sid will the adventurous want
> to have installed to deal with the shiny new fs?

AFAIK all the progs are already 'ready' to go . I have been using Ext3 fs 
in Woody for awhile and use the tools that are present in Woody.
-- 
Greg Madden

Re: Netscape6.2/Mozilla0.9.5 broken for Debian/Sid

[Raghavendra Bhat]

[Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:48:36AM -0500] James Freels :

> I  suspect java-related  issues, but  I am  certainly not  sure.  Both
> packages are slow on my system anyway.

Suggest that  you try Galeon,  it has very  a many good feature  plus it
uses your mozilla as the engine. 

-- 
ragOO, VU2RGU<->http://gnuhead.dyndns.org/<->GPG: 1024D/F1624A6E 
   Helping to keep the  Air-Waves FREE Amateur Radio 
   Helping to keep your Software  FREE   the GNU Project
   Helping to keep the  W W W FREE  Debian GNU/${kernel}

Re: OT: Any way to get Win95 to boot again?

[Eric C. Cooper]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:23:44PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Win95 expects to be the first drive on the first chain. When you moved 
> it to /dev/hdc, you broke Windows. Move it back to /dev/hda1; chances 
> are it'll come right up.

Or you can leave the disks the way they are and have LILO re-map the
drives for you:

# boot Windows from second disk by swapping C: and D: drives

other=/dev/hdc1
label=windows
map-drive=0x80 to=0x81
map-drive=0x81 to=0x80

-- 
Eric C. Cooper  e c c @ c m u . e d u

Re: Opinions on Laptops to Install With Debian

[Simon Wong]

On Sat, 2001-11-17 at 10:52, Mark Seven Smith wrote:
> Someone recently pointed me towards eBay regarding my video 
> card delimma; but when I considered the matter, what I 
> *really* want, is a LAPTOP, than I can use from bed (i have 
> some health difficulties) for learning Linux, and doing a 

I hope you get better...


> What sort of a laptop should I look for, in terms of what 
> is really compatible with Linux, and especially DEBIAN?

Firstly, you might want to join debian-laptop@lists.debian.org for
people discussing debian on laptops.

I use a Dell Inspiron 8000 and it is great with Debian.  I have the
Aciontec mini-PCI combined ethernet (EthernetExpress 100,
module=eepro100) and 56k modem (lucent based winmodem, compile the
LTwinmodem module) both of which are fully functional under Debian and
RedHat.

The video card is an ATI Rage Mobility M4 which is functioning fine but
I haven't looked into 3D graphics much.

I also have the built-in CD-RW drive but haven't had time to look at
burning yet but have seen plenty of people do it so it should work fine
too.

Check out www.linux-laptop.net for tonnes of peoples experiences and
tips on installing linux on hundreds of laptops.

Hope this helps...



-- 
*
* Simon Wong*
*   *
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *
*   *
*

Re: OT: How long has your Linux system been up ?

[Stig Brautaset]

* Paul McHale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus:
> > spin at all. and with the near 2 dozen IBM disk drive failures
> > ive had in the past 6 months, im even more for never turning
> > off the system.
> 
> When I worked PC support contracts at Honeywell, we would always tell people
> to leave the CPU (and HD) running.  Electrically, there are a lot of
> transients at startup.  With older supplies, it was probably a lot more of
> an issue.  Systems that weren't power cycled once a day were almost trouble
> free even back then.

Yes, power supplies like running, but then again, from my time as a A/V
repairman, I learnt that the thing that often blows first is the
capacitors in the power supply. And they go because the *dry out*, i.e.
the warmer they are (over a long time) the more likely they are to go.

Regards,
Stig

-- 
brautaset.org
Registered Linux User 107343

best video card regarding license issues

[Steffen Evers]

Hello,

I have followed the recent discussion about vidoe cards on the list. I
have also been looking for a new video card and was thinking about a
Nvidea card. However, I have read about the license problems with
"tainting" (non-GPL) kernel modules for Nvidea acceleration. It seems
like that kernel hackers try to block out non-GPL code like this driver
(sounds reasonable to me ...).
In particular, Alan Cox has picked out the Nvidea kernel modules as a
good example how a module "taints" the kernel and explained that such
tainted kernels will be not debugged in the future.

So, what do you know about graphic cards regarding driver's licenses?

Bye, Steffen

Sound/video playback speed

[Carl Fink]

As extensively chronicled in other threads, I just upgraded from a Cyrix
M2-300 based system to an Athlon 1.2 GHz.

One would expect this to speed things up.  I don't like the fact that it
sped up video and sound playback, though.  Sounds come out as hyperfast
bleeps, video looks like bad undercranked black and white stuff.

I don't see any global way to slow this down, and I'm seeing it with xanim,
mplayer, mtv, and RealPlayer.  Any suggestions?
-- 
Carl Fink   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

Best deal on a scsi DAT =>10Gig range...............

[Courtney Thomas]

Greetings !

I'm finding that as my drives are growing my old DATs are keeping me
hopping trying to cram it all in.

Of course if cost were irrelevant I wouldn't ask the question.

Anyway, considering both media and drive what's the consensus/experience
?

If there's an option that is dollar cost-competitive with DAT that I'm
unaware of, please enlighten me.

Appreciatively,

Courtney

Re: dhcp with kernel 2.4?

[Carl Fink]

And again, in case anyone finds this in the archive. 
The solution was found on DejaGoogle:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The 3Com cablemodem I was connecting to won't issue a new certificate for
some long period of time, once it issues one.  I had connected my work
Windows laptop via the modem to research the repairs to this computer.  When
I then tried to connect my new network card, the modem wouldn't.

Power cycling the cable modem solved the problem.  I'm back in business,
fully functional.

Thanks for those who offered help with my various problems. 

(See new question on next rock.)
-- 
Carl Fink   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

Re: TTY display has lost lower case

[Gary Turner]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:50:54 -0800, you wrote:

>
>|> TTY1 went bonkers last night.  I had done "pr XF86Config | less."
>|> Halfway down the second page it started printing the old IBM text based
>|> graphic characters.  (At least that's what they look like.)  Upper case
>|> and numbers look ok, except for a few oddities, eg. the underscore is a
>|> space and the + is a right arrow.  --just found the underscore, it's
>|> 's'.
>
>Try typing `reset' on tty1
>
>To view XF86Config on the console you should just do:
>
>  less XF86Config
>
>The pr command readies the file for printing, so what you're seeing on
>the screen, I suppose, are the control sequences that are meant to
>determine how the printer handles the printing.
>
>If that's the right diagnosis, then reset should return the console to
>normal. 
>
>This has nought to do with emacs though, has it?
>
>Jim
Thanks Jim and Chris.  'reset' worked like a charm.  Jim, the diagnosis
was wrong but the prescription worked anyway.  I could still type in a
command, such as 'ps aux' and get the expected output, lower case
looking like gibberish; upper case and numerals appearing normal.  My
lower case input was echoed as gibberish.  I was in fact eyeballing
prior to sending to the printer.  tty2 handled that fb.

No, I wasn't in emacs.

Tnx again guys, and especially for not advising RTFM since I had no idea
which FM.

gt

Re: Questions on pop3 servers

[Fredrik Jagenheim]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:30:15AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> 
> What program would i use to remove old messages automatically once a month
> or something?
> 
> Although, I suspect some ls -l magic with a sort piped into rm would work
> ;)
> 

'find' is your friend;
'find . -type f -mtime +31 -print' to verify that those are the files
you wish to remove. This is a good idea, since I type from memory so
the arguments MAY be wrong. :)
'find . -type f -mtime +31 -exec rm -f {} \;' will remove the files.

HTDBA (Hope This Doesn't Break Anything)
//Humming

Re: xscreensaver

[Fredrik Jagenheim]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:21:29PM -0500, Dmitriy Kropivnitskiy wrote:
> You know, the guys are right about DRI. GL needs it to run full screen.
> What was not mentioned is the fact that xscreensaver will not run as a root 
> and DRI has root only permissions by default. Put following in your XF86Config
> Section "DRI"
> Mode 0666
> EndSection
> See if that helps
> 

Also, run 'xscreensaver-command -prefs', pick the 'Graphic Demo' that
you think goes slow in fullscreen, say 'Bubble3d'.
Click 'Demo'. Does it run slow? Probably, since it is launched in the
same way as it does when it is run as a screensaver.
Now, here's the trick; fiddle with the 'Visual' setting. Try 'GL',
'Default', 'Any', 'Best' or any of the other alternatives, until you
feel that the fullscreen is accelerated.

Do this for every other OpenGL screensaver that you might have
actived.

HTH,
//Humming

Re: dhcp with kernel 2.4?

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 08:53:14AM -0500, Thomas R. Shemanske wrote:

> The previous poster was right.  I had some recent troubles getting 
> dhclient to work on a woody system with a custom kernel
> 
> Finally I looked in /var/log/daemon.log and saw:
> 
> Nov  6 07:27:43 debian dhclient-2.2.x: socket: Protocol not available - 
> make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel 
> configuration!

Yes, but I did that before mailing.  I no longer get those errors, but
dhclient still says:

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:02:e3:16:b4:c5
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:02:e3:16:b4:c5
Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 p
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 p
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 p
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 p
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 p
No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database 
-- 
Carl Fink   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

Re: masquerading for internet access

[Michel Loos]

On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 21:41, Eric Smith wrote:
> 
> I am on unstable and trying to give a client machine internet access.
> 
> eth1 on the server gets internet access via cable modem via dhcpcd and the
> eth0 to the local LAN.  The client and server communicate fine but
> the client does not get internet access.
> 
> Also the default ipmasq installation results in the following kernel
> messages
> 
> Packet log: output DENY tap0 PROTO=17 192.168.0.1:1025 62.108.1.65:53 L=61 
> S=0x00 I=45 F=0x T=64 (#2)
> Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=2 62.108.30.1:65535 224.0.0.1:65535 L=28 
> S=0xC0 I=15219 F=0x T=1 (#9)
> 
> 
> I thought this would just work out of the box :(

It works out of the box if eth0 is external and eth1 is local.
In your case you have to modify the 00Interfaces(?sp I use iptables now)
file in order to switch external and internal ethernet cards.

Michel.

Opinions on Laptops to Install With Debian

[Mark Seven Smith]

Someone recently pointed me towards eBay regarding my video 
card delimma; but when I considered the matter, what I 
*really* want, is a LAPTOP, than I can use from bed (i have 
some health difficulties) for learning Linux, and doing a 
lot of paperless reading...

What sort of a laptop should I look for, in terms of what 
is really compatible with Linux, and especially DEBIAN?

There are decent offers for IBM ThinkPads, for instance 
(Such as an offer for an "IBM Thinkpad 560X, P233, 24XCD, 
96MB, 4GB,56k", $113.50 (two of 'em like this)).

Suggestions?

TIA,

--mVIIs

masquerading for internet access

[Eric Smith]

I am on unstable and trying to give a client machine internet access.

eth1 on the server gets internet access via cable modem via dhcpcd and the
eth0 to the local LAN.  The client and server communicate fine but
the client does not get internet access.

Also the default ipmasq installation results in the following kernel
messages

Packet log: output DENY tap0 PROTO=17 192.168.0.1:1025 62.108.1.65:53 L=61 
S=0x00 I=45 F=0x T=64 (#2)
Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=2 62.108.30.1:65535 224.0.0.1:65535 L=28 
S=0xC0 I=15219 F=0x T=1 (#9)


I thought this would just work out of the box :(

--
Eric Smith

sourceforge and postgresql

[Matt Fair]

Has anyone installed sourceforge with the deb package?
I am installing it and this is my output:

Setting up sourceforge (2.5-14) ...
You'll see some debugging info during this installation.
Do not worry unless told otherwise.
DBI->connect(dbname=sourceforge;host=192.168.10.2) failed: fe_senda at
/usr/lib/sourceforge/lib/include.pl line 44
Uncaught exception from user code:
Cannot connect to database:  at /usr/lib/sourceforge/lib/include.pl
line 46.
main::db_connect called at /usr/lib/sourceforge/bin/db-upgrade.pl line
29
Installing chroot environnement at /var/lib/sourceforge/chroot

Configuring DNS for domain name = dev.uprint.web and IP address =
192.168.10.2...
 dev.uprint.web
Creating /var/lib/sourceforge/bind/dns.head
DBI->connect(dbname=sourceforge;host=192.168.10.2) failed: fe_sendauth:
no pass at /usr/lib/sourceforge/lib/include.pl line 44
Cannot connect to database:  at /usr/lib/sourceforge/lib/include.pl line
46.
DNS configuration done.
Modifying inetd for cvs server
CVS usual config is changed for sourceforge one
Modifying /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
WARNING: Please check referal line in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
Adding /etc/ldap/schema/core.schema
Adding /etc/ldap/schema/cosine.schema
Adding /etc/ldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema
Adding /etc/ldap/schema/nis.schema
Adding /etc/sourceforge/sourceforge.schema
Restarting ldap server(s):
  Stopping ldap server(s): slapd.
  Starting ldap server(s): slapd.
Modifying /etc/libnss-ldap.conf
Modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf
Load ldap
WARNING: Can't load ldap table without /etc/slapd.secret file
AFAIK  : This file should be installed by libpam-ldap
Restarting ldap server(s):
  Stopping ldap server(s): slapd.
  Starting ldap server(s): slapd.
Setup SF_robot account
Adding robot accounts
ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server
Changing SF_robot passwd using admin account
ldap_initialize(  )
ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server
Changing dummy cn using SF_robot account
ldap_initialize(  )
ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server
dpkg: error processing sourceforge (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 sourceforge
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Matt

Re: Amiga installation

[John Lord]

Hi Joseph

, On 15-Nov-01, you wrote:

> Whenever I try to instal Debian on my 68040 Amiga, I get to the endo of the
> installation where it asks if I want to enable it to boot from a har drive
> and when I acknowledge this it tells me, "Installing a boot loader is not
> yet possible for Debian/m68k" ..Whats up with this? What am I doin wrong?
> How can I get around this? Thanks Joseph Doss

Further to that I meant to ask what kernel are you using, you can get the ones
compiled for the Amiga from the sourceforge site, and you also need the Amiga
specific bootstrap which will enable you to boot initially from a AFFS
partition then initiate and mount the Linux side, works well here.

Regards
-- 
John

The only thing that stops God from sending another flood is that
the first one was useless.
-- Chamfort
mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lordofchaos.co.uk ICQ 110130385 
Nick = Chaos A1200 BlizzardPPC 240mhz 060/50 BlizzardVision OS3.9

Re: Amiga installation

[John Lord]

Hi Joseph

, On 15-Nov-01, you wrote:

> Whenever I try to instal Debian on my 68040 Amiga, I get to the endo of the
> installation where it asks if I want to enable it to boot from a har drive
> and when I acknowledge this it tells me, "Installing a boot loader is not
> yet possible for Debian/m68k" ..Whats up with this? What am I doin wrong?
> How can I get around this? Thanks Joseph Doss

I cant answer your query directly, but I also use an Amiga and as well as this
m/l I am subbed to the Linux-Apus list, they deal with Amiga specific
questions, tho keep subbed to this one as well. ;-)

Check out #https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-apus-user# and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Regards
-- 
John

Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed.
-- Carolyn Scheppner
mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lordofchaos.co.uk ICQ 110130385 
Nick = Chaos A1200 BlizzardPPC 240mhz 060/50 BlizzardVision OS3.9

[SOLVED] Laptop ethernet dock and PCMCIA config

[Greg Wiley]

Hi all-

A while ago, I asked how to configure the ethernet
interfaces on a laptop such that if the system was
docked in its ether-enabled station, it should config
that interface and ignore any PCMCIA ethernet.  But
if out of its dock, it should check for the PCMCIA
ethercard and use DHCP to bring it up.  The ifupdown
suite seemed, at first glance, to be insufficient, primarily
because it uses the interfaces configuration individually
for each interface and thus the interface mapping
is not passed any broader context information.

Yesterday, I finally attempted to tackle this thing and
I have documented the solution at:

http://www.orthogony.com/gjw/lap/lap-ether-intro.html

It's also a tutorialish treatment of the ifupdown suite.

Peace,

  -=greg

fetchmail and nameserver failure errors.

[p]

debs,

how do i "cure" intermittent "nameserver failure"
responses in fetchmail.  this causes my mail to 
stop being downloaded.

(i'd like to get away from having to use netscape's
email client to clear the "jam.")

...suggestions?

ia, t.

bentley taylor.

//

Re: emacs related

[Craig Dickson]

Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> Does anyone know how to manage tabs properly in text mode? I hit the
> tab in various places, and I get different indents every time. Also,
> sometimes I seem to get an auto-indent effect when the line wraps, and
> sometimes I don't. 
> 
> This indent is huge. I hit tab once. At another time I might
> get 4 spaces instead of eight. I want 4 consistently, and I
> thought that was what I set in my .emacs file. Note the
> auto-indent here. 

It depends what mode you're in. Different modes may treat tabs quite
differently.

In general, the variable "tab-width" controls the distance from one tab
stop to the next. Note that it is always buffer-local, so if you want it
to be global, you'll have to make a function that sets it and add that
function to find-file-hooks, like this:

  (add-hook 'find-file-hooks (function (lambda () (setq tab-width 4

Craig

Re: X-forwarding with ssh doesn't work

[Tim Dijkstra]

nate wrote:


Tim Dijkstra said:



debug1: Requesting pty.
debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug1: Requesting shell.
debug1: Entering interactive session.

Is that enough? Does anybody with X-forw working correctly gets the
same  output?




pretty much. how bout when you start an X app?

sample output from one of my servers:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xbrup
debug1: Received X11 open request.
debug1: fd 4 setting O_NONBLOCK
debug1: fd 4 IS O_NONBLOCK
debug1: channel 0: new [X11 connection from my.server.name port 3106]
(here i see the X app load on my local system)



I get no output at all. Think that's not good.

I can't say much about your probs... my own are worse I think.

Tim

Re: emacs related

[Alan Shutko]

"Michael P. Soulier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does anyone know how to manage tabs properly in text mode? I hit the
> tab in various places, and I get different indents every time. 

Right.  In text modes, hitting tab will usually line the cursor up
with one of the words on the previous line.  If you want to tab to
tab stops, use tab-to-tab-stop (M-i).

If you want indented paragraphs, use M-x paragraph-indent-text-mode,
or M-x paragraph-indent-minor-mode if you are in mail composition or
something like this.

Check out the Emacs manual for more detail on these concepts.  I
believe all the commands I mentioned are in the index.

-- 
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors!
An armed man is a citizen; an unarmed man is a subject.

Re: perl modules ?

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:47:55PM +, Irvine Russell wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> I wanted to use a small script that I found on the 
> internet, and it says that I would need to have 
> the following modules inorder for it to run:
> 
> Net::Telnet; 
> Mail::Sendmail; 
> Getopt::Std; 
> Text::CSV_XS; 

A quick way would be trying to load these modules with a command-line
invocation. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] msoulier]$ perl -MNet::Telnet -e 'print "yes\n"'
yes

So I have Net::Telnet. However, I don't have Text::CSV_XS...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] msoulier]$ perl -MText::CSV_XS -e 'print "yes\n"'
Can't locate Text/CSV_XS.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
/usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.6 /usr/lib/perl5/5.005 .).
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.

Any modules packaged in Debian follow lib--perl. If it's not
packaged, you can find the modules on the CPAN.

http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/modules/index.html

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix


pgpIRGS9Id5TK.pgp
Description: PGP signature

squid and squidguard on a single machine?

[Michael A. Miller]

I'd like to set up some sort of filtering to make it easier to
keep adult content out of my home and away from the kids.  It
looks like squid and squidguard will almost do it for me.  Almost
in that, at first skimming of the docs, it looks like squid needs
to be run through external hardware, either a router of a proxy
server.  Is there a way to use squid and squidguard on a single
machine?  Is there a novice level HOWTO that can get me started?
Failing that, does anyone know of any consultants who can help
set up such things?

Mike

Re: emacs related

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 07:56:37PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Jeffrin wrote:
> 
> I think you want auto-fill-mode. You may also want to look at some of
> the Emacs Lisp variables having to do with auto-formatting, such as
> sentence-end and sentence-end-double-space.

Does anyone know how to manage tabs properly in text mode? I hit the
tab in various places, and I get different indents every time. Also,
sometimes I seem to get an auto-indent effect when the line wraps, and
sometimes I don't. 

  This indent is huge. I hit tab once. At another time I might
  get 4 spaces instead of eight. I want 4 consistently, and I
  thought that was what I set in my .emacs file. Note the
  auto-indent here. 

Thanks,

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix


pgp6tqI87NfqP.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Installing Debian

[Frank T.]

On Fri, November 16, 2001 at 22:23:39,
spyros abatielos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to linux and I am trying to install debian linux from the CDs I 
> bought. My PC is a SCSI machine with two HD and windows ME installed on 
> drive C. I want to install debian linux on drive D. The machine has also a 
> CD-Writer and a DVD-ROM. The SCSI ids are:
> id 0 -> HD C:
> id 1 -> HD D:
> id 2 -> DVD
> id 4 -> CDRW
> 
> I set in bios the boot sequence to start with the SCSI device and the SCSI 
> configuration to start booting from id 2 or 4 where I place the Debian CD 
> ROM. When I start the machine I get the following:
> 
> ---
> Bootable CDROM is detected.
> 
> The Boot Sections on your CDROM are:
> 0. DEFAULT ENTRY
> 
> Your CDROM is now assigned as Drive A:.
> The original Drive A has become Drive B:.
> 
> 
> Then the pc starts booting from the hard disk into windows.
> 
> Could you please help me? How can I proceed with the installation?
> 
> Spyros

Hi, maybe http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ will help you.
On this page you can find installation instructions for debian on
numerous architectures in many translations.
Have a look.

Regards,
Frank T.

-- 
There are no threads in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica,
so there's no gain in using a threaded news reader.
 -- unknown source

Re: C++: no hash_map while it is there?

[dman]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 03:59:04PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:
...
| [15:50:23 tmp]$ g++-3.0 -Wall -ggdb -o main main.cc
| main.cc:1:20: hash_map: No such file or directory
...

| Is this reproducible by others? The distro is testing.

Yes.  It looks to me to be a packaging bug :

$ g++-3.0 foo.c++ 
foo.c++:2:20: hash_map: No such file or directory

$ g++-3.0 -I /usr/include/g++-v3/ext foo.c++ 

$


I think the directory needs to be added to the default include path.

$ dpkg -l libstdc++3-dev
ii  libstdc++3-dev 3.0.2-0pre0109

$ dpkg -S hash_map
libstdc++2.10-dev: /usr/include/g++-3/stl_hash_map.h
libstdc++2.10-dev: /usr/include/g++-3/hash_map
libstdc++2.10-dev: /usr/include/g++-3/hash_map.h
libstdc++3-dev: /usr/include/g++-v3/backward/hash_map.h
libstdc++3-dev: /usr/include/g++-v3/ext/hash_map


(I can probably remove the 2.10 -dev package)


There's a new version of the v3 -dev package in sid, it might be fixed
already.

-D

Re: Sawmill v.30 .. where?

[Frank T.]

On Fri, November 16, 2001 at 17:07:35,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I want to use a Sawmill scheme I downloaded, but I don't have the right 
> version of Sawmill. Does anyone know where I can get version 0.30?

Take a look at http://sawmill.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
Frank T.

-- 
There are no threads in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica,
so there's no gain in using a threaded news reader.
 -- unknown source

Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:47:51AM +1100, Steve Kieu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>  
> > better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the
> > other browsers
> > mentioned.
> 
> Where can I find this vesion, is it archived
> somewhere?

There's an "archives" tree somewhere in the Netscape or web archive.  Go
hunt for it.  I'd recommend a free browser over older Netscape, as the
former will be actively developed.  Try BrowseX.

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpuH2it5Fmg1.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Installing Debian

[spyros abatielos]

Hello,

I am new to linux and I am trying to install debian linux from the CDs I 
bought. My PC is a SCSI machine with two HD and windows ME installed on 
drive C. I want to install debian linux on drive D. The machine has also a 
CD-Writer and a DVD-ROM. The SCSI ids are:

id 0 -> HD C:
id 1 -> HD D:
id 2 -> DVD
id 4 -> CDRW

I set in bios the boot sequence to start with the SCSI device and the SCSI 
configuration to start booting from id 2 or 4 where I place the Debian CD 
ROM. When I start the machine I get the following:


---
Bootable CDROM is detected.

The Boot Sections on your CDROM are:
0. DEFAULT ENTRY

Your CDROM is now assigned as Drive A:.
The original Drive A has become Drive B:.


Then the pc starts booting from the hard disk into windows.

Could you please help me? How can I proceed with the installation?

Spyros


_
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Re: Backup systems

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 12:28:17PM +, Ross Burton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for a cheap backup system for my machine.  A recent scare
> regarding my hard drive ("is it a 75GXP?") forced me to think about
> backup policy.
> 
> I'd love to own a Jaz drive but at the moment I can't afford one. 

You could afford it less if you bought it.  Jaz is a piece of shit.
Expensive shit.  Iomega sucks.

> However, I do have a CD-RW in my machine.

Helpful, but for larger filesystems, you're going to do a lot of disk
swapping.

I recommend tape.  Highly.

> This is what I want to do in an ideal work:
> 
> I have a script I run every month.  It will examine every _user_ file
> (not system) and see what has changed since the last backup.  These
> files will be written to an ISO image which I can burn onto a CD, and
> the index of files=>locations updated.  Every few months I'll do a
> completely new set of CDs and throw away the old ones.  Basically, I
> want an incremental backup procedure which generates ISO images and will
> generate an index for me.  If I want to retrieve a single file it can
> tell me what CD its on.  If I want to do an entire restore I can just
> give it every CD and it will extract the lot.
> 
> Anyone seen anything like this?  For the moment I'll make do with taring
> up ~/ and putting that on CDs.
> 
> Which brings me to my next question.  I'm not up on CD filesystems.  Is
> there a filesystem for CDs which supports all of the unix features, i.e.
> long file names, permissions, owner/group etc.  Can I burn a ext2 image
> onto a CD if I will only access it in Linux?

My suggestions:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpljFFW0Ubsg.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Sawmill v.30 .. where?

[JakeCatfox]

Hi, I want to use a Sawmill scheme I downloaded, but I don't have the right 
version of Sawmill. Does anyone know where I can get version 0.30?

Thanks,
Deven Gallo

Linux access to vfat (FAT32) filesystems (was: no subject)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:24:57PM -0600, David Crow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:


Please include a meaningful subject line on your email and/or Usenet
posting(s).  You're far more likely to get a useful response.

Please set your mailer to send text rather than HTML, particularly to
list or Usenet posts.

Thank you.

> How is it that Debian is able to read from and write to FAT32 volumes?
> With Linux, this requires 3rd party software?

No.

The linux kernel supports numerous filesystems.  My own box right now
has support for: ext2, proc, nfs, iso9660, autofs, devpts, vfat, and minix.

FAT32 ("vfat" to linux) is supported by compiling in or inserting the
appropriate filesystem code (this sounds more complex than it is, most
default kernels have this already).  The filesystem is mounted as any
other GNU/Linux filesystem by specifying the filesystem type either on
the command line, or preferably, in your /etc/fstab (the file that tells
your system what filesystems you have).

The mount command would be:

$ mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

...say, to mount your floppy disk.

Other options are '-t auto', which automagickally determines the
filesystem type.  For remote vfat volumes mounted via Samba, you'd
specify smbfs (this is actually independent of the remote filesystem
type).

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpARSZnVQFqD.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?

[Brian Nelson]

Steve Kieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  
> > better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the
> > other browsers
> > mentioned.
> 
> Where can I find this vesion, is it archived
> somewhere?

I'd assume it's in an older debian distro, which can be found at 
ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ though it's down atm.

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Which mail user agent do you use?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 12:26:11PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> spear wrote:

<...>

> Now I use mutt, which allows me to use my own text editor (emacs),
> supports multiple accounts, doesn't crash, supports all the common
> mailbox formats (I prefer maildir), intelligently handles mailing lists,
> and is configurable as hell.

ObAOL mutt (hmm:  isn't that mutually exclusive?)

For most of the reasons stated here already.  GUI mailers disturb me.

I've use:  mail, mailx, cc:Mail, MS Mail, MS Outlook / MSOE, elm, pine,
Netscape, and Mozilla.  Mutt takes the cake for straight mail, and
should meet most of your requirements (as well as some you seem to have
accidentally forgotten ;-).

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpV8piz2GZnE.pgp
Description: PGP signature

RE: booting is very difficult

[Justin Hahn]

This generally means that lilo is failing to load the second stage (or was
it first stage?) bootloader. Very commonly this happens if you change the
device ordering and your boot device is not the same as it was before. You
basically need to re-lilo the drive with the correct info.

> -Original Message-
> From: Petr [Dingo] Dvorak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:47 PM
> To: Debian-User
> Subject: Re: booting is very difficult
> 
> 
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Rory O'Connor wrote:
> 
> RO> i just re-built my debian system from the disk image, and 
> i'm having the
> RO> same problem i had before i rebuilt it -- it hangs at 
> "LI" when trying to
> RO> boot from the hard disk.  I can boot from the emergency 
> floppy just fine
> RO> though.
> 
> the only 2 times i saw lilo hang on LI was when i put faster 
> cpu in my machine
> and accidentaly overclocked it, and the second time was when 
> the first of the
> two sdram chips in the machine was bad, hope this helps.
> 
> Dingo.
> 
> 
>   ).|.(
> '.'___'.'
>' '(>~<)' '
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-ooO-=(_)=-Ooo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=-
> Petr [Dingo] Dvorak 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Coder - Purple Dragon MUD   
> pdragon.org port 
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ 
> 369D93 ]=-=-
>  Debian version 2.2.18pre21, up 4 days, 13 users, load 
> average: 1.50
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> -=-=-=-=-
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

upgrade errors

[Daniel D Jones]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Running woody with kernel 2.4.14.  I do a daily apt-get update and upgrade.  
Almost daily, I see errors like this:

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase_4%3a2.2.1.0-6_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kfm.png', which is 
also in package konqueror

dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror_4%3a2.2.1.0-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde2/libkcm_konq.la', which is also in package 
kdebase

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/konsole_4%3a2.2.1.0-6_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/konsole.png', which 
is also in package kdebase

I can manualy install the packages via dpkg --force.  Is this errors in the 
package or something with my system?  Running Sid on another system, I never 
see these types of  errors.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: 2.6.3ia
Charset: noconv

iQB1AwUBO/WN7DA1uBpee9v5AQFJQgL8CE0rPFZ8pFuT8h3sv2QDK6COcEvmmGSZ
h9oQlzJ82UsqNrEPnatAczjMqB74si4K+G0aS8wMOKKhpiXoIlRWHymvTrfRs/n+
Mm9NoSxBl3wePcu7yWzu7Pku1PjmvD5x
=cXsW
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?

[Steve Kieu]

 
> better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the
> other browsers
> mentioned.

Where can I find this vesion, is it archived
somewhere?

 
> Peace.
> 
> -- 
> Karsten M. Self   
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
>  What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?   
>  Home of the brave
>   http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/
>   Land of the free
>Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA!
> http://www.freesklyarov.org
> Geek for Hire
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature 


=
S.KIEU

http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping
- Get organised for Christmas early this year!

Re: booting is very difficult

[Petr \[Dingo\] Dvorak]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Rory O'Connor wrote:

RO> i just re-built my debian system from the disk image, and i'm having the
RO> same problem i had before i rebuilt it -- it hangs at "LI" when trying to
RO> boot from the hard disk.  I can boot from the emergency floppy just fine
RO> though.

the only 2 times i saw lilo hang on LI was when i put faster cpu in my machine
and accidentaly overclocked it, and the second time was when the first of the
two sdram chips in the machine was bad, hope this helps.

Dingo.


  ).|.(
'.'___'.'
   ' '(>~<)' '
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-ooO-=(_)=-Ooo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Petr [Dingo] Dvorak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Coder - Purple Dragon MUD   pdragon.org port 
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ 369D93 ]=-=-
 Debian version 2.2.18pre21, up 4 days, 13 users, load average: 1.50
   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: xhost

[Steve Kieu]

 --- Hans Gubitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi,
> 
> I did a 
> xhost +boxb
> on my Woody-Box boxa
> and tried on boxb
> xterm -display boxa:0
> 
> I'm sure this was ok some time ago, but now I get

IIMHO 
xterm -display boxa:0.0

I got two boxes , weak one and strong one, connected
via plip, and the weak one used to display (run X
only). I usually run word perfect, staroffice from the
strong one using this method, no problem

What I did is modify the .bash_profile form a telnet
account from weak one, like 
if [ $REMOTEHOST ] ; then 
export DISPLAY="weak:0.0"
fi

then login using this account, run x apps from there..





> 
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: boxa:0
> 
> Did I miss any change?
> 
> -- 
> Hans Gubitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

=
S.KIEU

http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping
- Get organised for Christmas early this year!

slavage options for broken /hdb

[tom schuetz]

I just tried re-installing a slave drive that had been hosed by Mysterious 
Forces(tm) a while back, on the off chance I could salvage it.

Here is the dmesg:

hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
ide0: reset: success
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 0


Is this hopeless? gpart doesn't seem to be up to this.

Any ideas would be most appreciated.

--

  Tom Schuetz | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"VI VI VI: The editor of the beast."

Re: 404s on update/install

[Brian Nelson]

"Donald R. Spoon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The reason I ask is that I have about 5 computers I am trying to keep
> updated here.  Doing each one manually each day coupled with the
> "re-trys" is getting to be quite a PITA.  It is a good thing I am
> retired, but the wife is getting a little peeved.   
> 
> I have been toying with the idea of setting up a cron job to do the
> updates, but I haven't figured out a satisfactory way to detect this
> condition and abort the update then try again a bit later.

If you're tracking unstable, I would recommend doing interactive
updates.
 
> Maybe a script that checks for the presence of this error code and then
> exits without completing + logged message to that effect??  I guess you
> could set the timing of the cron job that calls this script such that it
> gives the delay you want...dunno.  

Something like this?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200111/msg01963.html

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: corrupted partion table

[Paolo Falcone]

xfornavn xetternavn wrote:


>Anyway, after formatting the first partion from fat32 to ntfs, and rebooting 
>after the install process hang for 10 minutes, the partion table is corrupted. 
>Luckily I have a printout for it, so I know the exact cylinder each partion 
>start and end. The hope is that only the partion table and the first 5 Gig 
>that was formatted ntfs are touched. I don't know this yet.
>
>The question is, if I run fdisk to redefine the partion table (from a bootable 
>potato cd), will fdisk only touch the sectors where the partion table is 
>installed, or will it wipe out the data on the partions as well. 
>
>The hope is to be able to recover data.

once you redefine the partition table (via deleting an existing one)
you risk wiping out the data in the partitions as well. I don't know
exactly if you resize one via fdisk (redefining the size there some
times doesn't wipe the data, sometimes it does, most probably it will
also wipe out the data). If you badly need the data in your NTFS
partition, good thing linux can read that part (as long as that
functionality is compiled either statically or as kernel modules)
so you can copy from that partition to recover the data.

Anyway, just reinstall your other "OS" using it's fdisk. after
"optimizing" from FAT32 to "new technology" filesystem, there you can
install a linux partition using linux' cfdisk. should work.

__
www.edsamail.com

Re: Lexmark Z22 on debian OR printconf deb package

[Paolo Falcone]

=?iso-8859-1?q?Pilluli?= wrote:

>
>Hi all,
>
>   I've got a Lexmark Z22 printer that I'm not able to
>set up under my debian box. I've checked some
>resources on the web which say that there is no
>support for the Z* series under linux but the thing is
>that the utility "printconf" in RedHat seems to
>support it! but the "printtool" or "lprngtool"
>utilities in debian don't. 
>
>Has anyone managed to set up this printer under
>debian? 

you can search the net (or the debian help sites) for the package
ported to debian (debian has a printool port even for potato, as
I downloaded mine from some debian developer site).

there are generic filters for that winprinter, i believe. if
magicfilter or apsfilter with lpr or lprng won't work, or even
CUPS, then try finding printtool for your debian version (i'm
sure there's printconf and printtool in debian, as i once used
it in debian potato).

Paolo Falcone

__
www.edsamail.com

No app menu after DebianPPC install

[Marc Stergionis]

Debian PPC seemed to install fine. I restarted and redefined the root /dev

When I restarted and logged in, I got a nice Debian Windowmaker screen, with 
the paperclip icon in the upper left and the stairstep, terminal and (I 
guess) preferences icons on the right. The stairstep, of course, only tells 
me about WM.

The terminal only gives me a terminal.

The preferences give me only window-type prefs. I have no applications menu. 
When I go to "Edit the menu that launches applications," I get a warning:

"The menu that is being used now could not be opened.This either means that 
there is a syntax in it or the menu is in a format not supported by WPrefs 
(WPrefs only supports property list menus).

If you want to keep using the current menu, please read the 
"/usr/doc/wmaker/README.preferences," press "Keep Current Preferences" and 
edit it with a text editor.

If you want to use this editor, press "Copy Default Menu" and instruct 
WindowMaker to use it instead of the current one.

If you want more flexibility, keep using the current one as it allows you to 
use C preprocessor (CPP) macros while being easy to edit. Windowmaker 
supports both formats.

At this point, I don't even know which feel to (try to) edit!!

Help!

-ms

xhost

[Hans Gubitz]

Hi,

I did a 
xhost +boxb
on my Woody-Box boxa
and tried on boxb
xterm -display boxa:0

I'm sure this was ok some time ago, but now I get

xterm Xt error: Can't open display: boxa:0

Did I miss any change?

-- 
Hans Gubitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

KDE refuses to upgrade (or, Magical Dselect Decoder Ring Needed)

[Phil Edwards]

I've been using dselect to upgrade KDE2 from unstable ever since I discovered
that KDE2 was available.  Today after doing an update, and seeing that
the 'kde' package has moved from 2.2.9 to 2.2.11, I get a huge list of
dependancy violations, and this explanation text:

  kde depends on kdelibs3 (>= 2.2.2-1)
* kde depends on libarts (>= 2.2.2-1), libarts-alsa (>= 2.2.2-1) or libarts-bin
* libarts-bin does not appear to be available
* kde depends on libkmid (>= 2.2.2-1), libkmid-alsa (>= 2.2.2-1) or libkmid-bin
* libkmid-bin does not appear to be available
  kde depends on kdebase (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on kdebase-audiolibs (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on kdebase-libs (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on libkonq3 (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on libkdenetwork1 (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on libmimelib1 (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on konqueror (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on kate (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on konsole (>= 2.2.2-1)
  kde depends on kscreensaver (>= 2.2.2-1)
* kde depends on libarts-mpeglib (>= 2.2.2-1) or libarts-mpeglib-cvs
* libarts-mpeglib-cvs does not appear to be available

The suggested recourse is to uninstall 'kde' and leave everything else in
place (everything else is installed already too).  Clearly I have dorked
up my system beyond dpkg's ability to resolve the dependancies, although
the only thing I ran was "apt-get update"...

The *'d lines are of interest:

1)  I have libarts, libkmid, and libarts-mpeglib all installed.  Perhaps
those don't satisfy the deps?

2)  I would try to install libarts-alsa and libkmid-alsa, but the -alsa
versions conflict with the non-alsa versions, and removing the non-alsa
versions automatically removes most of the rest of KDE.

3)  What's with the "does not appear to be available" complaints?

4)  What hoops must I jump through to get kde upgradable again?


When I use 'Q' to force dselect to shut up and do what I've selected,
it automatically deselects 'kde' from the list of packages (..."and 1
not upgraded").  Maybe that's why it's called "dselect", it "de-selects"
things for you.  :-)


Phil

-- 
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater
than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace.  We seek
not your counsel, nor your arms.  Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.- Samuel Adams

woody and mod-perl

[John Cuson]

howdy-

has anyone out there run into any difficulties with woody and mod-perl?  i use 
a small box to support in-house queries against a postgresql database, and 
after installing mod-perl from the packaged binary i started receiving a bad 
result set from a query constructed by a cgi script.  i get the correct result 
when i invoke dbish and construct the query, and i've made sure that the cgi 
script is creating the right query, but the returned result set is all over the 
map.

which leads me to the question of how this package is put together .. i suspect 
the requisite perl interpreter comes in the libapache-mod-perl package ... can 
anyone confirm that?  my current hypothesis is that i'm invoking an interpreter 
that is trying to use database drivers compiled against the installed perl 
interpreter, and the two are out of sync, but right now this is just a working 
hypothesis.

john cuson
([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])

The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes.
  
 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Re: Trouble getting webmin-postfix; apt-get says perl isn't installed but it is

[jennyw]

Thanks, I only just realized it was from woody ... I had added braincells so
I could install imapd and that's where webmin-ssl came from, too.  So maybe
I'll try woody since it has the software I'm most interested in ...

Thanks!

Jen
- Original Message -
From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian User List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Trouble getting webmin-postfix; apt-get says perl isn't
installed but it is


> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 06:01:49AM -0800, jennyw wrote:
> > I tried to apt-get install postfix-webmin, but it tells me that:
> >
> > towanda:/home/jen# dpkg --install webmin-postfix_0.89-1_all.deb
> > Selecting previously deselected package webmin-postfix.
> > (Reading database ... 11994 files and directories currently installed.)
> > Unpacking webmin-postfix (from webmin-postfix_0.89-1_all.deb) ...
> > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of webmin-postfix:
> >  webmin-postfix depends on perl; however:
> >   Package perl is not installed.
>
> I suggest that you upgrade to woody before trying to install packages
> from woody on a stable system. From the messages you quote, it looks
> like the rest of your system is on stable.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>

Re: OT: How long has your Linux system been up ?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:05:18PM +0200, Tuomas Pellonpera ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2001, John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 15/11/2001 (16:53) :
> > > At one time, leaving a machine on overnight consumed less power than
> > > rebooting it (i.e., shutting down and powering back up wasted more
> > > resources than just leaving it on).  Is that still the case?
> >
> > It never was.
> 
> Does (daily) shutting down and rebooting wear out the hardware more than
> leaving the computer on for days/weeks/months does?

I've seen one reasonably detailed study of this, possibly by IBM, and
probably carried at Slashdot, in the past couple-three years.

The consensus seemed to be that there was little real distinction
between leaving a system running, or shutting it down, with the
exception of the monitor (assuming a CRT w/o powersaving features).

Thermal cycling does impact computer hardware, but the degredation over
the effective life of most hardware (say, 3-4 years) is not significant.
Power consumption is a slight factor, though again, excepting a CRT
monitor, it's relatively low.

My own balance point:  I leave my systems up, and typically get uptimes
of 2-3 months, 94 days is the top recorded (I think I've been higher,
but haven't broken 100).  The benefits of always-on beat the minimal
power savings and mornign boot wait.  For laptops, sleep and suspend
states are a nice proxy.

OTOH, I also believe that, particularly for systems that are being
dynamically modified, periodic reboots to confirm that system startup
proceeds as expected, is a good idea.  So, say, quarterly boots aren't
all bad.  Continuous uptimes of over a year likely indicate a system
which could stand for a kernel update.

For those who're looking for on-the-fly kernel updates, the two-kernel
Monty hack allows booting a new kernel from an existing one.  Uptime
isn't preserved by default, though it might be possible to populate this
data by passing appropriate kernel parameters.  While useful, TKM also
introduces certain security risks, recognizing that by changing kernel
properties, virtually any aspect of system function may be modified.

Peace.

-- 
Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave
  http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/   Land of the free
   Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org
Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html


pgpora4o11vsj.pgp
Description: PGP signature

Mozilla not sending email

[David P James]

Hi all

I just started using mozilla today after getting a little tired of Netscape's 
quirks (scroll wheel problems in particular). The amount of configuration in 
Mozilla is a vast improvement. Anyway, I can't seem to be able to send any 
email with mozilla's email client. It keeps giving me an error message 
telling me to verify my settings or that the server is down. Well if you're 
seeing this the latter is definitely not true and I've used the same settings 
as here in KMail. I even tried throwing smtp:// ahead of the server name, to 
no effect. I tried a different known server and the same thing happened.
I'm using mozilla from unstable, 0.9.5.

Anyone had this problem before/have a suggestion?
-- 
David P. James
Third Year Economics
Queen's University,
Kingston, Ontario
http://members.home.com/dpjames/

The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.
-Dr. Leonard McCoy, Star Trek IV

RE: OT: How long has your Linux system been up ?

[Paul McHale]

> spin at all. and with the near 2 dozen IBM disk drive failures
> ive had in the past 6 months, im even more for never turning
> off the system.

When I worked PC support contracts at Honeywell, we would always tell people
to leave the CPU (and HD) running.  Electrically, there are a lot of
transients at startup.  With older supplies, it was probably a lot more of
an issue.  Systems that weren't power cycled once a day were almost trouble
free even back then.

I have had systems running 98% around the clock and have very little
hardware trouble.  HDs have the obvious strain of spinning up.  I am not
sure how APM plays in with fatiguing a drive due to regular rotational speed
changes.  These are obviously harder on a drive than running constantly.
How much power is saved would depend on how long the HD was actually
permitted to sleep.  On my server, I don't think it would sleep that much.

Anyway, I choose the same route you have.  Leave them up.  I had
significantly greater trouble when powering up and down.  Improvements in
hardware might make it a wash today.  Just staying with what works.


--
Paul McHale
   Work:   937-320-5495  Double E Solutions
   Mobile: 937-371-2828  1435 Edenwood Dr
   Fax:413-215-3232  Beavercreek, Ohio 45434
--

>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: All-In-Wonder card support?

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 10:19:29PM -0500, Bill Triplett wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 08:37:15PM -0500, Stan Brown wrote:
> > I'm building my wife a new Debian machien for Christmas. One of the
> > requiremnts is to be able to play TV. Presently I have a Win-TV card in my
> > Debian worksation, and have made it work, with my ATI Radeon graphics card.
> > 
> > I was wondering if I could us an All-In-Wonder card, to reduce total card
> > count on her machien?
> > 
> > Is this card well supported in Debina/Linux? 
> 

stan,

i've also used an All-In-Wonder... a pci version... it's one of the
original a-i-w's... i think it has either 2 or 4 mb memory. anyway, it
worked beautifully on both potato and woody, with both versions of X. it
(mine) used the mach_64 server.

good luck,
jason

-- 
registered linux user #202942
http://counter.li.org/

http://www.theigloo.dhs.org

xine fails

[Xingguo Pan]

I installed xine-ui v0.9.2. However, it pops up the video windows and then shuts
itself down, reporting:

load_plugins: cannot load plugin 
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_syncfb.so:
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_syncfb.so: undefined symbol: fast_memcpy
load_plugins: cannot load plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_xshm.so:
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_xshm.so: undefined symbol: mm_accel
main: probing  video output plugin
load_plugins: video output plugin 
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_syncfb.so failed to link:
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_syncfb.so: undefined symbol: fast_memcpy
load_plugins: video output plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_xshm.so 
failed to link:
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_xshm.so: undefined symbol: mm_accel
video_out_xv: Xv extension is present but I couldn't find a usable yuv12 port.
  Looks like your graphics hardware driver doesn't support Xv?!
load_plugins: video output plugin /usr/lib/xine/plugins/xineplug_vo_out_xv.so: 
init_video_out_plugin failed.
main: all available video drivers failed.



libxine0 is v0.9.4.

While the package xine 0.4.3-2 works perfectly fine and uses XShm as the video 
out,

I don't know why xine-ui 0.9.2 fails. Has anyone met this before? and how can I 
work
it out?

Thanks a lot.

Pan

Re: OT: Any way to get Win95 to boot again?

[ben]

you could try using fdisk, in linux, in the form fdisk /dev/hdc. press m
for the menu to familiarize yourself with the options available.
selecting a from the menu lets you toggle a bootable flag on the
appropriate partition and, as long as lilo is properly configured to
read that partition, windows should be bootable. fdisk is powerful, so
it would be worth your while to research the man pages before you
actually use it.


Marc Shapiro wrote:
> 
> I was given a new-to-me, but still ancient box ( Pentium 166 ) with
> Win95 on it.  At the time, windows was booting fine.  I put in a new HD
> (and moved the old disk to hdc) and installed Debian -- after playing
> around with other distros (my old DX486 has never had any other distro
> on it).
> 
> Somewhere along the line, Win 95 stopped booting.  All of the files are
> there (io.sys, msdos.sys, windows and windows\system directories, etc.)
> it just wont boot.  Since I don't use anything but linux, now, I never
> did anything about it.  But now I am going back to school (for a C.S.
> degree) and will need to use M$ software and languages.  Since I am a
> stay-at-home dad with a 9 month old georgeous baby girl I would rather
> do my work at home instead of in an on-campus computer lab.  This means
> that I will need to run Windows.  I don't have a boot disk (and my bios
> wont boot from CDROM).  I have tried to get lilo to boot windows, but
> without any luck.  I imagine that the partition boot sector has gotten
> trashed.  Does anyone know of a way that I can get Windows to
> boot,again?
> 
> Any help will be appreciated.
> 
> --
> Marc Shapiro "If you drink melomel every day,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]you will live to be 150 years old,
> Please visit "The Meadery" at:   unless your wife shoots you."
> http://www.bigfoot.com/~m_shapiro/   -- Dr. Ferenc Androczi, winemaker,
>  Little Hungary Farm Winery
> 
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 404s on update/install

[Craig Dickson]

Brian Nelson wrote:

> If the packages are 404, the older Packages.gz list won't be valid
> either.

Ah, yes, because the old packages are being deleted as the new ones are
copied in. And due to disk space limitations, it might not be possible
to have both yesterday's and today's packages online at the same time
(which would at least allow the old package list to be valid until the
new packages were all in place).

> Jeez, if you're running sid, you really should follow the devel list,
> in which case you would have read the discussion about this
> yesterday.  One dev said the ftp-master went down during the sync,
> another was looking for problems with rsync.

Okay. Looks like debian-devel generally has lower traffic than
debian-user, so I suppose following it wouldn't add too much to my mail
load. Thanks for the suggestion.

Craig

Re: Making a TCP or UDP or Unux Socket Server Listen on a port

[Dmitriy Kropivnitskiy]

Can your systems ping each other?

On Thursday 15 November 2001 11:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am having  Server Programs (for TCP,UDP,Unix Sockets) , that listen on a
> port number say , 9888 at
> 10.10.1.4
> and they are being contacted by a Client (for TCP,UDP,Unix Sockets)  Linux
> machine from 10.10.1.1 .
>
> Both macines are on the LAN , nothing more nothing less . We have not yet
> gone for any higher stuff like DNS , etc . So , basically  10.10.1.4
> and 10.10.1.1 are not on any Linux network , but simply they identify and
> respond on the LAN.
>
> My Clients and Server (socket  programs) do not communicate at all on this
> network .
>
> Please guide me on what I should do .
>
> My line of thinking is : Add some  entry to the
> /etc/services   specifying the port , but this is what I tried and failed
> :- # At the bottom of /etc/services  :-
> tcp 9888/tcp
> a.out 9889/tcp
>
> Please help me get these programs to communicate .
>
> Warm regards,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Shyam

Re: C++: no hash_map while it is there?

[Mario Olimpio de Menezes]

same here; dunno why :(

works with g++-2.95 or if you put
#include 

again, don't know why!



On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:

> [15:50:16 tmp]$ cat main.cc
> #include 
>
> int main(void)
> {
> return 0;
> }
>
>
> [15:50:23 tmp]$ g++-3.0 -Wall -ggdb -o main main.cc
> main.cc:1:20: hash_map: No such file or directory
> [15:50:27 tmp]$ wc /usr/include/g++-3/hash_map
>  40 1981330 /usr/include/g++-3/hash_map
> [15:51:39 tmp]$
>
>
> Is this reproducible by others? The distro is testing.
>
> It does compile cleanly when replacing  with  or with
> .
>
> --
>
> Shaul Karl
> email: shaulka (replace these parenthesis with @) bezeqint,
>delete the comma and the white space characters and add .net
>
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>

Mario O.de Menezes"Many are the plans in a man's heart, but
IPEN-CNEN/SP is the Lord's purpose that prevails"
http://curiango.ipen.br/~mario Prov. 19.21

Re: OT: How long has your Linux system been up ?

[Sam Varghese]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 02:05:18PM +0200, Tuomas Pellonpera wrote:
> Does (daily) shutting down and rebooting wear out the hardware more than
> leaving the computer on for days/weeks/months does?

Many electricians have told me that it's better to leave
the system running rather than continually switch it off
and on. Their explanation is that there is a jolt to the system
when it starts and that causes more damage than leaving it 
on all the time.

Sam
-- 
(Sam Varghese)
http://www.gnubies.com

Re: OT: Any way to get Win95 to boot again?

[Kent West]

Marc Shapiro wrote:


I was given a new-to-me, but still ancient box ( Pentium 166 ) with
Win95 on it.  At the time, windows was booting fine.  I put in a new HD
(and moved the old disk to hdc) and installed Debian -- after playing
around with other distros (my old DX486 has never had any other distro
on it).

Somewhere along the line, Win 95 stopped booting.  All of the files are
there (io.sys, msdos.sys, windows and windows\system directories, etc.)
it just wont boot.  Since I don't use anything but linux, now, I never
did anything about it.  But now I am going back to school (for a C.S.
degree) and will need to use M$ software and languages.  Since I am a
stay-at-home dad with a 9 month old georgeous baby girl I would rather
do my work at home instead of in an on-campus computer lab.  This means
that I will need to run Windows.  I don't have a boot disk (and my bios
wont boot from CDROM).  I have tried to get lilo to boot windows, but
without any luck.  I imagine that the partition boot sector has gotten
trashed.  Does anyone know of a way that I can get Windows to
boot,again?

Any help will be appreciated.




Win95 expects to be the first drive on the first chain. When you moved 
it to /dev/hdc, you broke Windows. Move it back to /dev/hda1; chances 
are it'll come right up.


Kent

Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?

[Sam Varghese]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:38:36PM +1100, Steve Kieu wrote:
> Frankly, there are some features the I did not find in
> any browser *yet* except opera. Put aside its
> commercial crap, just look at its features, multi
> windows , easy search tool and its rendering speed,
 
I couldn't agree more. It was just yesterday after months
of frustration that I deleted both Netscape and Mozilla.
Both have given me enough headaches - and that on a 
Celeron 466 with 256 MB of RAM.
Opera is faster and never locks up. If I want to just read
something off the net I mostly use lynx or links. Netscape
was good until 3.0. After that it has degenerated into crap.

Sam
-- 
(Sam Varghese)
http://www.gnubies.com

Re: OT: Any way to get Win95 to boot again?

[Brian Stults]

Marc Shapiro wrote:


I was given a new-to-me, but still ancient box ( Pentium 166 ) with
Win95 on it.  At the time, windows was booting fine.  I put in a new HD
(and moved the old disk to hdc) and installed Debian -- after playing
around with other distros (my old DX486 has never had any other distro
on it).

Somewhere along the line, Win 95 stopped booting.  All of the files are
there (io.sys, msdos.sys, windows and windows\system directories, etc.)
it just wont boot.  Since I don't use anything but linux, now, I never
did anything about it.  But now I am going back to school (for a C.S.
degree) and will need to use M$ software and languages.  Since I am a
stay-at-home dad with a 9 month old georgeous baby girl I would rather
do my work at home instead of in an on-campus computer lab.  This means
that I will need to run Windows.  I don't have a boot disk (and my bios
wont boot from CDROM).  I have tried to get lilo to boot windows, but
without any luck.  I imagine that the partition boot sector has gotten
trashed.  Does anyone know of a way that I can get Windows to
boot,again?

Any help will be appreciated.




You may have inadvertantly removed the "bootable" flag from the dos 
partition.  I think this once prevented me from booting into windows98. 
 As root, run fdisk and print the partition table using the "p" option. 
 If there is not an asterisk next to the dos partition in the "boot" 
column, that may be the problem.  To fix it in fdisk, use the "a" option 
and choose the dos partition as the one to toggle.  Save the partition 
table (with "w") and try booting into win95.


Good luck.

--
Brian J. Stults
Department of Sociology
3219 Turlington
PO Box 117330
Gainesville, Florida 32611-7330
phone:  (352) 392-0265 x286
fax:(352) 392-6568
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 404s on update/install

[Donald R. Spoon]

Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> 
> --snip-- <
> This is occurring because you're trying to update your system while the
> mirror is itself updating its archive.
> 
> In the Debian mirroring scheme, Packages files often end up being
> updated before the actual package files.  So it's not uncommon for a
> Packages file to refer to foo_1.2.3-1_i386.deb before that package
> actually exists in the archive.
> 
> This situation doesn't typically last long, and is corrected as soon as
> the mirror has finished updating.
> 
> I have also seen this happen for longer periods of time in the even that
> a mirror's disk fills up and its archive is not in a consistant state.
> I know this has happened at least once with one of the machines that
> comprises http.us.debian.org.
> 
> noah

Sounds quite plausable to me.  Thanks!

Is there any way to determine this situation "up-front" in the process? 
The reason I ask is that I have about 5 computers I am trying to keep
updated here.  Doing each one manually each day coupled with the
"re-trys" is getting to be quite a PITA.  It is a good thing I am
retired, but the wife is getting a little peeved.   

I have been toying with the idea of setting up a cron job to do the
updates, but I haven't figured out a satisfactory way to detect this
condition and abort the update then try again a bit later.

Maybe a script that checks for the presence of this error code and then
exits without completing + logged message to that effect??  I guess you
could set the timing of the cron job that calls this script such that it
gives the delay you want...dunno.  

"Number 5 Needs Input" .

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-

Re: 404s on update/install

[Brian Nelson]

Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> 
> > This is occurring because you're trying to update your system while the
> > mirror is itself updating its archive.
> > 
> > In the Debian mirroring scheme, Packages files often end up being
> > updated before the actual package files.  So it's not uncommon for a
> > Packages file to refer to foo_1.2.3-1_i386.deb before that package
> > actually exists in the archive.
> 
> I suppose this is because the mirroring software doesn't understand that
> the package list's usefulness is dependent on the packages actually
> being there. Isn't there some way to ensure that the package list is the
> last thing updated for each section of the repository, by suitably
> configuring the software? I can't possibly be the first person to think
> of this, can I?

If the packages are 404, the older Packages.gz list won't be valid
either.

> Sid is generally updated every single day, so, from what you're saying,
> every single day there is a period of time, of whatever duration, when
> apt-get update/upgrade will fail. This is not good. The package
> repository should always be logically consistent from the user's
> perspective.
> 
> I run into this problem probably at least once a week, so either my luck
> has been bad far beyond the limits of probability, or these brief
> inconsistencies aren't nearly as brief as you seem to think.

Jeez, if you're running sid, you really should follow the devel list,
in which case you would have read the discussion about this
yesterday.  One dev said the ftp-master went down during the sync,
another was looking for problems with rsync.

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Help for the UDMAmentally challenged ...

[Hank Marquardt]

I used hdparm -d1 to turn it on for the drives and that boosts to 41Mbs on the
drives, but the pdc still shows the following:

PDC20265 Chipset.
--- General Status -
Burst Mode   : enabled
Host Mode: Normal
Bus Clocking : 33 PCI Internal
IO pad select: 10 mA
Status Polling Period: 0
Interrupt Check Status Polling Delay : 0
--- Primary Channel  Secondary Channel -
enabled  enabled 
66 Clocking disabled disabled
   Mode PCI Mode PCI   
FIFO Empty   FIFO Empty  
--- drive0 - drive1  drive0 -- drive1 --
DMA enabled:no   no  nono 
DMA Mode:   NOTSET   NOTSET  NOTSETNOTSET
PIO Mode:   NOTSETNOTSET   NOTSETNOTSET

...

I also have the kernel config you mentioned ... also even if the hdparm works,
having auto-activation on boot is really the ideal.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 10:57:57AM -0800, nate wrote:
> Hank Marquardt said:
> 
> > I've found a couple links for install issues related to UDMA, but
> > that isn't the  problem, the install went fine I just want them to
> > talk UDMA -- I know it's not working as hdparm reports 3.68Mbs as
> > it's speed:(
> >
> 
> im not sure if the 2.4 kernel has this feature but
> 2.2. does. check proc to see if its turned on or not:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/proc/ide$ cat pdc202xx
> 
> PDC20267 Chipset.
> --- General Status
> -Burst Mode  
> : enabledHost Mode: Normal
> Bus Clocking : 66 External
> IO pad select: 10 mA
> Status Polling Period: 4
> Interrupt Check Status Polling Delay : 0
> --- Primary Channel  Secondary Channel
> -enabled  enabled66 
> Clocking enabled  enabled
>Mode PCI Mode PCI
> FIFO Empty   FIFO Empty
> --- drive0 - drive1  drive0 --
> drive1 --DMA enabled:yes  yes yes 
>  yesDMA Mode:   UDMA 4   NOTSET  UDMA 4   
>  NOTSET
> PIO Mode:   PIO 4NOTSET   PIO 4NOTSET
> 
> also in my kernel config i have:
> CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y
> 
> 
> there is a way to turn dma on via hdparm ..check the
> help, i dont have it installed.
> 
> nate
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
Hank Marquardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://web.yerpso.net

Web & Database Development in PHP, MySQL/PostgreSQL
Small Office Networking Solutions - Debian GNU/Linux & FreeBSD
PHP Instructor - International Webmasters Assn./HTML Writers Guild 
*** Beginning PHP -- Starts November 5, 2001 
*** See http://www.hwg.org/services/classes

OT: Any way to get Win95 to boot again?

[Marc Shapiro]

I was given a new-to-me, but still ancient box ( Pentium 166 ) with
Win95 on it.  At the time, windows was booting fine.  I put in a new HD
(and moved the old disk to hdc) and installed Debian -- after playing
around with other distros (my old DX486 has never had any other distro
on it).

Somewhere along the line, Win 95 stopped booting.  All of the files are
there (io.sys, msdos.sys, windows and windows\system directories, etc.)
it just wont boot.  Since I don't use anything but linux, now, I never
did anything about it.  But now I am going back to school (for a C.S.
degree) and will need to use M$ software and languages.  Since I am a
stay-at-home dad with a 9 month old georgeous baby girl I would rather
do my work at home instead of in an on-campus computer lab.  This means
that I will need to run Windows.  I don't have a boot disk (and my bios
wont boot from CDROM).  I have tried to get lilo to boot windows, but
without any luck.  I imagine that the partition boot sector has gotten
trashed.  Does anyone know of a way that I can get Windows to
boot,again?

Any help will be appreciated.

-- 
Marc Shapiro "If you drink melomel every day,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]you will live to be 150 years old,
Please visit "The Meadery" at:   unless your wife shoots you."
http://www.bigfoot.com/~m_shapiro/   -- Dr. Ferenc Androczi, winemaker,
 Little Hungary Farm Winery

perl modules ?

[Irvine Russell]

Hello all.

I wanted to use a small script that I found on the 
internet, and it says that I would need to have 
the following modules inorder for it to run:

Net::Telnet; 
Mail::Sendmail; 
Getopt::Std; 
Text::CSV_XS; 


1) How would I check whether I have these modules or
not, 

and

2) what package would I need to install to have 
these packages, if I did not.

As you might guess I am neither a perl nor debian
guru :)

BTW I am running potato.

TIA

T:Irvine


Nokia Game is on again. 
Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new
all media adventure before November 3rd.

Questions on pop3 servers

[Gareth Jones]

>I'm looking to see if there's a replacement pop3 server I can use that can
>scan the mailboxes for new mail, without having to scan ALL of the
>mailfile, as it does currently.

Are you using the uw pop3 server? I presume that its performance is pretty
similar to the uw imap server - i.e. pretty poor with large unix style
mailboxes. Try converting your mailboxes to mbx format - the difference on
my imap box was huge.

Gareth

Apache+PHP4+Postgresql

[Michael Ward Cole]

I am trying to load PHP4 4.0.3 pl 1-0 on debian/linux 2.2.19 with 
Apache 1.3.9-13.2.  I keep having trouble with the libpgsql2 vs libpgsql2.1
with PHP4 saying that it needs sql2 > 6.4-0.  I don't understand why it
won't allow me to install all with the libpgsql7.1release-3.potato.1 that 
loads with postgresql7.1release-3.potato.1?
Thanks,
Michael
-- 

!---
Michael Ward Cole, DO
1216 Cedar Point Drive
Virginia Beach, Virginia 23451
757 428-9322 (Home)
757 475-3182 (Pager)

Re: 2 GB limit with ext2

[Emil Pedersen]

>
>[ ... ]
>

I missed some info...

Here's the source to some of my assumptions/statements:
http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html

Oh, and testing would probably do just fine.  For my "normal" work
machine I use a testing "enhanced" potato.  apt-0.5.4 let you keep one
default release but gives you the abbility to "hand pick" things from
testing.  Very neat.  I also use it (apt-get source/dpkg-buildpackage)
to get testing packages compiled to my system, that if installed the
standard way would have dragged in to much other new packages.  It
doesn't always work, but most of the times.  Well worth a try...

// Emil