Re: gpl - Re: Gentoo compromised too

[Joey Hess]

Tom wrote:
> The second part is understandable but ultimately not defensible: there 
> really is no correlation between the cost of software and its value, so 
> you always end up in these stupid situation where you've spent $100,000 
> for software and you're pulling 36-hour shifts to keep it running.  But 
> the correct way to fix that problem is to improve software quality and 
> incrementally lower prices -- the way the market fixes things.  Stallman 
> unfortunately ate too much acid (as some of us have too :-) and got his 
> hatred of his parents (the root cause of all political protests) 
> chocolate mixed up in his peanut butter.  He probably was pissed off 
> because his Research Grant got denied or some other academia niggling 
> issue -- colllege people are notorious about bitching over funding.
> 
> It's the second part that is silly and will not stand up in court.  The 
> first part is okay.

The acid seems to be in your past; the GPL places no limits on the cost
of software.

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Re: Multi-word Label in LILO

[Andrés Roldán]

I've made a patch to LILO to support labels with spaces. However, you must enclose
the name between quotes. This patch will be released on the next (1:22.5.8-6) 
upload.

Cheers.

Joel Konkle-Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> For some reason, LILO in unstable doesn't seem to like multi-word Label lines.
> They worked fine in woody's version, though. I tried:
>
> Label=Debian 2.4.18
> Label="Debian 2.4.18"
> Label='Debian 2.4.18'
>
> but it complained each time about spaces in the Label. The only way I could get
> it to work was to put:
>
> Label=Debian_2.4.18
>
> What's the right way to do this?
>
> (Or is there an overriding reason I should be using GRUB instead, besides the
> run-lilo-after-changes bit?)
>
>
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Re: Anfrage f?r einen Linktausch an debian-user@lists.debian.org

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

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I do about 50% comprehension of written German when I try reading it.
That looked _vaguely_ technical when I read it in the wee hours
/me hides in a corner


http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ is great for double-checking.

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There are, to my knowledge, no freely available good translators. There 
are free word lookeruppers but they make a royal mess out of any 
translation. If you want to know another language: learn it, and do it 
while you are young...

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Re: Is resolv.conf essential?

[Tom]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:37:39PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > 
> > The author of that page assumes that every machine is always running a
> > nameserver.  This is, of course, not true.
> > 

During the recent Verisign debacle I installed dnsmasq.  I made the 
following change to /etc/dhclient-script:

make_resolv_conf() {
  echo search $new_domain_name >/etc/resolv-up.conf
  echo search $new_domain_name >/etc/resolv.conf
  for nameserver in $new_domain_name_servers; do
echo nameserver $nameserver >>/etc/resolv-up.conf # <<- here
  done
  echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 >>/etc/resolv.conf  ## <<<- here
}

This way I get dns-caching, which otherwise I think the upstream DNS 
server is queried for every DNS request, which would suck over dialup.

Is this correct?


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Re: No need for 2.4.23 (re compromise)

[Bill Moseley]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:39:44PM +0900, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > No, Debian didn't leave Joe User out in the rain to get his own kernel
> > source. All you need is apt-getable. Even a kernel package if you don't
> > want to compile just now.
> 
> But this means downgrading to 2.4.18.

Right.  I asked "what about the other kernel-source packages?" and 
someone said that 2.4.18 was the only one in stable.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | egrep -v ^#

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free
deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search kernel-source-2.4
kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10
kernel-source-2.4.14 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.14
kernel-source-2.4.16 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.16
kernel-source-2.4.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17
kernel-source-2.4.17-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.18-hppa - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18 on HPPA
kernel-source-2.4.17-ia64 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.17 on IA-64
kernel-source-2.4.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.18
kernel-source-2.4.20 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.20 with Debian patches

I'm using that last one, 2.4.20.


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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Magnus von Koeller wrote:
On Thursday 04 December 2003 16:29, John L. Fjellstad wrote:

When I tried, I got several unresolved symbols when installing the
deb package during the /sbin/depmod -a stage.  I'm guessing because
testing uses libc6 2.3.2, while stable uses libc6 2.2.5.


Hey, finally someone with the same problem... I posted about this 
weeks ago.

Well, anyway, as it turns out this problem actually goes away as soon 
as you boot into the new kernel (at least that's what happened when I 
tried it).

I simply installed the packet, disregarded the warning and booted into 
the new kernel and everything worked just fine.

That's right. Same thing happens in my case when I do:

make-kpkg --revision 1 kernel_image modules_image

the kernel_image deb will be the new kernel and the modules_image a deb 
for lm-sensor modules that have to go into the new kernel.

When you install the modules deb you will get unresolved symbols because 
the running kernel is not the same. Goes away when you boot with the new 
kernel.

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Re: Is resolv.conf essential?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 05 Dec 2003, John Hasler wrote:
> Anthony writes:
> > According to the man page for resolv.conf it is not supposed to be
> > necesssary on a properly configured system.
> 
> The author of that page assumes that every machine is always running a
> nameserver.  This is, of course, not true.
> 

I see. Thanks; then it seems the man page should be amended to reflect
this.


> > However I can't connect to my dialup ISP without it. This creates
> > problems when I use a different ISP.
> 
> Run pppconfig and configure a connection for each ISP, specifying the
> correct nameservers for each ISP (or 'dynamic' if the ISP uses so-called
> 'dynamic dns').  Everything will just work.
> 

I'd done this previously and I think it used to work but now it doesn't.
I've rerun pppconfig in case it was screwed up but it still won't find a
server, whether with static or dynamic dns. 

Anthony

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quoted text color changing in vim

[Nori Heikkinen]

tweaking mutt to be perfect on a dark background, i now want to change
the color of the one-level quoted text in vim (which i use to compose
in mutt).  anyone off the top of their head know which vim syntax
highlighting file this is in?

thanks,



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mplayer peculiarities

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

I use mplayer only to listen to classical music from KUSC.
It is a welcome alternative to RealPlayer.
First installed mplayer-386 from
deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main

that got me sig 11 errors. I posted that a while back.

Then I installed mplayer-686 from same place. Got rid of sig 11's.

Now I have a new ISP and behold, the internet-world is not so 
error-prone as I thought it was!

There remain 2 peculiarities:

When I have mplayer running on a VC and on Mozilla am checking 
gmane.debian.user and right click to reply to a posting,
mplayer pauses in its VC.

and

when I select anything on a Mozilla screen and right click it to copy,
mplayer gets an end-of-file.
Now I also run *super duper* Backstreet Ruby for multi-seat Debian, and 
that may also cause the problem.

Has anybody seen any behavior like this?

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Re: Info Problem

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 10:58:43PM +, Alan Chandler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Every time I try to run info I get the following error message
> 
> info: Cannot find node `Top'.
> 
> I tried re-installing with an apt-get install --reinstall info
> 
> But that didn't help
> 
> Whats wrong here, and what should I do to fix it?

What's wrong?  Info Sucks And Must Die.

Old but good:

http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/InfoVsManpage


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Problem Compiling kernel-source-2.4.18

[Thomas H. George]

My system is testing fully up-to-date.  I just ran apt-get update and 
apt-get dist-upgrade which installed kernel-source-2.4.18..  

My current kernel was built from kernel-source-2.4.22 but I have been 
experiencing irratic behavior - specifically many 
p80211/knetdev_hard-start_xinit: messages on shutdown followed by 
various problems on rebooting.  Genrally a second reboot works.  I 
decided to backup to kernel-2.4.18 in hopes of eliminating the problems.

After make menuconfig and make dep when I run make bzImage the compile 
aborts with a series of messages the first of which is in

In the file included from ksym.c:50:
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18/include/asm/checksum.h:72:30: missing 
termintating " character

I am concerned that the system is compromised.  I have run chkrootkit 
and even tried chkrootkit -x SucKIT but chkrootkit doesn't know SucKIT.

I would appreciate any insights about the nature of the problems and 
what to do about them.

Tom

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Re: Anfrage f?r einen Linktausch an debian-user@lists.debian.org

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:49:51PM -0800, Paul Johnson insinuated:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:48:48PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > I do about 50% comprehension of written German when I try reading it.
> > That looked _vaguely_ technical when I read it in the wee hours
> > 
> > /me hides in a corner
> 
> http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ is great for double-checking.

yeah, and _only_ that:

 to pr?fen I please it whether it is m?glich in the context of its
 InterNet appearance a left to http://www.projekt1138.de to set. Why
 link exchange? By link exchange your side reaches simply and without
 costs a better Postion with search machines such as Google and yahoo.
 Under mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you have to request the M?glichkeit
 a left to your side. Starting from 15 December sides on
 http://www.projekt1138.de the left are r?ckverlinkt automatically. 

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Re: Anfrage f?r einen Linktausch an debian-user@lists.debian.org

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:49:51PM -0800, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 12:48:48PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > I do about 50% comprehension of written German when I try reading it.
> > That looked _vaguely_ technical when I read it in the wee hours
> > 
> > /me hides in a corner
> 
> http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ is great for double-checking.

For web, I prefer Google's:

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Or the 'translate' package in Debian.  Which defaults to en-de
translations ;-)

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Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

H. S. wrote:
Satyajit Das wrote:

Dear list,

Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.


By "this world" I would assume the newsgroup world and *this* world in 
general :))

welcome to Linux world!

I'm single user.
I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
After struggle 4 days("dselect" very difficult for newbies) I 
installed Debian. 


Oh boy. I can understand that. I went through the same thing myself a 
few weeks ago. But then I was not new to the world of Linux so it didn't 
take me 4 days :)  But I agree, the installation routine of Debian is 
hideous. Delusions of grandeur must be over and the routine *must* be 
vastly improved and made easier if Debian want to live up to people's 
expectations.
Depends which *people* Debian targets. Myself I think the Debian install 
method is just about where I want it, I must be one of the *people*.

First as a newbie you do RH and KDE. Then you see that is way too much 
and without finetuning. Then you get to Debian and FVWM and you get to 
run a finely tuned machine that is just where you want it.

Remains one serious dependency... The Debian organization...

Hugo.


Now wants to know or need suggestion from all users.
Please -- please help.
( NB: I also visit debian mailing list archive, thousand - thousand
  mail, It's difficults from me to find out my problem)


er ... maybe try google? With search only limited to debian.org.

1) I want to upgrade complete Debain system, such as :
I have mutt-1.3 /need 1.4 or1.5 , kde-2.2/ need 3.x / and 
kernel-2.2.20-idepci/ need 2.4.x
   Please give me the details webaddress or ftp site. I'm using  
broadband.


I think what you need is:
$> apt-get upgrade
once you have finished the first installation. This will  upgrade your 
newly installed system. Or you could change your /etc/apt/sources.list 
file and replace "stable" with "testing" and do:
$> apt-get dist-upgrade
and your distribution will be upgraded.

BUT, before you do any of the above, perhaps it would be nicer to user 
-s and -u options to see what exactly will be upgraded. So, the first 
command above will become:
$> apt-get -s -u upgrade

It will list what packages will be upgraded. BTW, when you do upgrade 
KDE, you may run into problem as it requires some non-existence package 
named something like libsensors. If this happens, come back here and I 
will tell you how I solved the problem.

And of course, I am a newbie, others maybe able to give you more 
accurate and complete information.

HTH,
->HS





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Re: Apache memory leak

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andreas Schwarz wrote:
Hello,

I'm using Apache from Debian Woody on my server. Now I noticed that
Apache is eating up more and more memory, so that I have to restart it
every few days. The following graph of the swap usage illustrates the
problem:
https://andreas-s.net/mrtg/localhost.swap-week.png
The big drop around saturday evening was when I restarted Apache.
It seems this problem exists since I have set up a cronjob to run
logrotate every hour to update my statistics. The rotation itself is
only done once per week, but every time the logrotate script is run, it
executes /etc/init.d/apache reload. So I tried to run "/etc/init.d/apache
reload manually", and I could see the apache memory usage increase by
about 500kB (fits quite well to the swapping graph):
Before:
 9765 www-data  10   0 24836  21M 19968 R 4.8 21.8   0:00 apache
After /etc/init.d/apache reload:
10031 www-data   4   0 26888  23M 23508 S 0.0 23.8   0:00 apache
Any ideas on how I could track down this problem?

Andreas


I'm surprised nobody answered. How do you gather the data?

Hugo.



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Multi-word Label in LILO

[Joel Konkle-Parker]

For some reason, LILO in unstable doesn't seem to like multi-word Label lines.
They worked fine in woody's version, though. I tried:

Label=Debian 2.4.18
Label="Debian 2.4.18"
Label='Debian 2.4.18'

but it complained each time about spaces in the Label. The only way I could get
it to work was to put:

Label=Debian_2.4.18

What's the right way to do this?

(Or is there an overriding reason I should be using GRUB instead, besides the
run-lilo-after-changes bit?)


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Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[John Hasler]

Dave writes:
> He or she had intimate knowledge of the various Debian servers.

I see no evidence that the cracker had anything other than public
information.

> And no damage was done.

You don't consider the downtime and wasted labor damage?

> Do you think he could have had the same impact by merely announcing that
> he *could* break into a system if he wanted?

Privately delivering the exploit to the appropriate people would have
gotten the bug fixed at least as quickly.
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Re: Is resolv.conf essential?

[John Hasler]

Anthony writes:
> According to the man page for resolv.conf it is not supposed to be
> necesssary on a properly configured system.

The author of that page assumes that every machine is always running a
nameserver.  This is, of course, not true.

> However I can't connect to my dialup ISP without it. This creates
> problems when I use a different ISP.

Run pppconfig and configure a connection for each ISP, specifying the
correct nameservers for each ISP (or 'dynamic' if the ISP uses so-called
'dynamic dns').  Everything will just work.

> What needs to be configured to make it unnecessary?

A nameserver.  But you don't need or want to do that.
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Re: Is resolv.conf essential?

[Anthony Campbell]

On 05 Dec 2003, Joerg Johannes wrote:
> Am Fr, den 05.12.2003 schrieb Anthony Campbell um 14:58:
> > According to the man page for resolv.conf it is not supposed to be
> > necesssary on a properly configured system. However I can't connect to
> > my dialup ISP without it. This creates problems when I use a different
> > ISP.
> > 
> > What needs to be configured to make it unnecessary?
> 
> Just a wild guess:
> How do you connect to the 'net? pon/poff or wvdial or ...?
> I always use pon/poff, and it seems that a script takes resolv.conf,
> copies it to resolv.conf.bak (or something alike), copies your
> /etc/ppp/resolv/provider to /etc/resolv.conf, and after poff it is
> removed and the original file is restored. Maybe this mechanism only
> works if /etc/resolv.conf is present?
> 
> joerg
> 
> -- 
> Gib GATES keine Chance!

Yes, I'm using pon/poff also. I've noticed previously that it does write
/etc/ppp/resolv.conf at times but I don't think it does anything to
/etc/resolv.conf here. I have to admit I don't understand this at all
well.

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esd problem

[sebastian serrano]

When i logoff, esd isn't  terminated and other users can't use sound 
system because esd
is working with another UID.
Someone can help me???

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

[Tom]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:01:00AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> But I kindda like the idea that others have put forward; make political 
> office holding (for many/most? posititions) a responsibility of normal 
> citizens, via random choice, like jury duty.

Sure, because with random office holders absolutely *no one* would make 
sure their crooked partners were the ones that got picked.

Our founders were very particular about making sure that Congress didn't 
get paid much because they did not want the type of person was just 
there to collect a check, which was a problem in Britain's parliament.

Don't second-guess them; they was smart!


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Re: Is resolv.conf essential?

[Joerg Johannes]

Am Fr, den 05.12.2003 schrieb Anthony Campbell um 14:58:
> According to the man page for resolv.conf it is not supposed to be
> necesssary on a properly configured system. However I can't connect to
> my dialup ISP without it. This creates problems when I use a different
> ISP.
> 
> What needs to be configured to make it unnecessary?

Just a wild guess:
How do you connect to the 'net? pon/poff or wvdial or ...?
I always use pon/poff, and it seems that a script takes resolv.conf,
copies it to resolv.conf.bak (or something alike), copies your
/etc/ppp/resolv/provider to /etc/resolv.conf, and after poff it is
removed and the original file is restored. Maybe this mechanism only
works if /etc/resolv.conf is present?

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

[Kent West]

Paul Johnson wrote:

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Vote for your third-party during the primary
   

You can't.  Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.

 

Yes. So register as a member of that 3rd party; vote in that 3rd party's 
primary for your 3rd-party candidate of choice, then when the General 
Election rolls around, you can "switch" candidates and vote for any 
candidate on the ballot, and at this time pick from the Big Two to avoid 
"throwing away" your vote. You've still done what you've set out to do; 
get your 3rd-party some name recognition by putting them on the ballot.

But I kindda like the idea that others have put forward; make political 
office holding (for many/most? posititions) a responsibility of normal 
citizens, via random choice, like jury duty. Takes out the professionals 
and puts "real people" into office. Of course, the pay would have to be 
enough for the candidate to live on for the term of duty AND allow the 
candidate to put his normal life on pause (hire a manager for his 
business while he's away, hire a replacement for his job with guarantee 
of getting the job back after his term, etc).

Lots of issues, and I reckon I'm ready to get back on-topic, so I'm 
outta here.

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Re: Cyrus 2.1 Debian woody backports temporarily hosted at ftp.cipsga.org.br

[Bengt Thure'e]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

Since people.debian.org is still down, I have uploaded all my backports,
which includes cyrus 2.1, to ftp.cipsga.org.br.
Thanks, brilliant initiativ.

By the way, do you know when a working sasl2-bin will be available on 
sarge?

I have install cyrus21 from sarge on a test system, but I can not get 
SASL to work. The sasl2-bin is 2.1.12, versus your backport is 2.1.15.

Thanks

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Re: Galeon troubles

[Christoph Simon]

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:26:48 -0200
Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Em Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:17:28 -0500, Mark Roach escreveu:
> 
> > try running galeon under strace
> 
>   Tried again, found out this time it froze at:
> 
> open("/usr/openwin/lib/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No

[...]

>   It just stayed like that for several minutes, untill I SIGKILLed
>   it.
> 
>   Just reminding it seems to be some configuration or state kept in
>   the
> local account, as other users in the same machine are just OK.

Try the -f option of strace to get the trace of the kids. You might also
want to try removing/hiding ~/.galeon/session/* and similar files.

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Is resolv.conf essential?

[Anthony Campbell]

According to the man page for resolv.conf it is not supposed to be
necesssary on a properly configured system. However I can't connect to
my dialup ISP without it. This creates problems when I use a different
ISP.

What needs to be configured to make it unnecessary?

Anthony

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Re: Galeon troubles

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:17:28 -0500, Mark Roach escreveu:

> try running galeon under strace

Tried again, found out this time it froze at:

open("/usr/openwin/lib/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
writev(17, [{"GIOP\1\2\0\0\0\0\1\264", 12}, 
{"\177\377\370X\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\34\0\0\0\0004\20X\311"..., 436}], 2) = 448
writev(17, [{"GIOP\1\2\0\0\0\0\1\206", 12}, 
{"\177\377\371\250\3\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\34\0\0\0\0004\20"..., 390}], 2) = 402
poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, 
events=POLLIN|POLLPRI, revents=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=17, 
events=POLLIN|POLLPRI, revents=POLLIN}], 5, -1) = 2
accept(14, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, path="ÃÂ"}, [2]) = 16
fcntl64(16, F_SETFL, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = 0
fcntl64(16, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)= 0
read(17, "GIOP\1\2\0\1\0\0\1\270", 12)  = 12
read(17, "\177\377\371\250\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\f\0\0\0"..., 440) = 440
writev(17, [{"GIOP\1\2\0\0\0\0\1~", 12}, 
{"\177\377\371`\3\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\34\0\0\0\0004\20X\311"..., 382}], 2) = 394
poll(


It just stayed like that for several minutes, untill I SIGKILLed it.

Just reminding it seems to be some configuration or state kept in the
local account, as other users in the same machine are just OK.


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Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bijan Soleymani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 16:29
Subject: Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion


> "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I don't have a problem with the installer.  I'd rather have devs working
> > on other stuff than on something that works (for me).
>
> The installer also works for me, at least most of the time. But it
> would be nice if relative newbies could install Debian on their own.
>
> > Many people, including me, would not recommend debian for a linux
> > novice, though there are debian-based distros that some might recommend.
>
> It would be nice if we could recommend Debian for novices. I was a
> novice when I started using Debian, almost died trying :) I like it
> now, but it would be nice if new users didn't have to go through all
> those problems.
>
> > But I don't really see this as a problem.  There are different distros
> > for different needs, and debian is designed for the needs of an
> > experienced linux user.
>
> If that is the case we should at least be honest. They should post in
> big bold letters on www.debian.org:
>
> "This Operating System is not for general users it is only for
>  experienced linux users. If you have never used Linux before
>  please go to www.redhat.org or www.mandrake.org or
>  www.knoppix.org."
>
> I'm kind of in the pro-knoppix camp. I think that debian could
> incorporate certain features from knoppix. The experts could always
> disable the hardware detection, etc. But it would be very useful for
> beginners.
>
> Bijan
Amen:
I am one of the newbies and the Operating System would not have stopped me.
I installed woody and that stopped me.  There is no reason other than
wanting to keep the system private for such a difficult installation.  I
finally installed libernet,  the koppix site was on the patent flap, it
worked but interestingly the source is debian.org for downloading programs.
There are still problems but it is much better than Redhat and Caldera which
wouldnt work for me and windows is too unstable to be reliable.  Linux is
versital enough to apply to everyone who wants to use it.  Somehow I thought
that was the reason GNU was developed.
Hoyt



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Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Thanasis!

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:38:18PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
Let me rephrase that:  Given that it is (for a system tracking testing)
at times necessary to do `dist-upgrade', is there any reason not to do
it always?
A quote from man apt-get
|dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also
|intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of
|packages
Thus I dare to conclude dist-upgrade is more complex than just a
simple upgrade. ;)
So if someone simply/only wants the functionality of 'upgrade' I'd
personally recommend to use the less complex method. This applies for
example to security updates in Woody, but also to many updates in
Sarge.
The alternative is to do `upgrade' routinely, and then redo it with
`dist-upgrade' when it fails occasionally, which (unless there's a good
reason to do it that way) seems like adding a needless extra step.
This way you'll just use the complex way only when it's really
necessary and stick to the simpler solution otherwise. True, it is an
extra step for the admin, but using 'dist-upgrade' all the time means
a lot of unnecessary extra steps all the other times for your box.
It comes down to a matter of principles: I personally prefer to use
the simple tool for a simple task.
Certainly nobody will force you to do the same... :-P
Cheers,
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Re: Murdering those mutt-gpg key retrievals

[David]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:34:54AM +0100, Magnus von Koeller wrote:
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> On Friday 05 December 2003 04:13, David wrote:
> > I have nothing whatsoever mentioning
> > auto-key-retrieve on the stable system. I've diffed the
> > corresponding ~/.muttrc's, /etc/Muttrc's and ~/.gnupg/options and
> > cannot find anything that would account for the different
> > behaviors.
> 
> Well, I don't know the exact version numbers for this but auto key 
> retrieving used to be the default but isn't anymore.

The version of gnupg on my testing system is 1.2.3.  I'd assume then
that the default must have changed between the version now in stable and
this one.

> If you still 
> want it, you need to put this into your ~/.gnupg/options:
> 
> keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve

Yes, I added this line (also renamed options to gpg.conf, as it appears
that this is now the default name).

Most times, I read mail offline, so auto-retrieve doesn't work anyway; I
was mostly just wondering why it did auto-retrieve in stable with no
option to do so, and apparently required specifying the option in
testing.  I couldn't find any mention of any change in defaults in the
changelogs.

Thanks for the reply.


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Re: IP addresses.

[Ken Gilmour]

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:26:21 -, Geoff Bagley wrote:
> My firewall captures the IP addresses of people who "ping" my TCP
> ports. They consist of the standard four eight-bit integers.
> The firewall  "whois" command is able to back-track some of these,
> others not.
>
> Is there a programme,  Linux or Windows,  or a Web Site,  where I
> can look up such
> numbers, and convert them to normal internet addresses ?
>
>
> Geoff.


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Re: cupsys - cupsd won't stay running!!!

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Sex, 2003-12-05 Ãs 11:00, Rohit Kumar Mehta escreveu:
> Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:
> 
> > Most important, do you use the parallel port for your printer?
> >
> No, I have not even configured a printer.  I was hoping I could do that 
> through the slick cupsd UI.

OK, so we do have something strange here.  It looks like cupsd is dying
trying to find a missing (parallel port) device.  Somehow it thinks you
should have a parallel port printer.

So you will need to find out why and eliminate this configuration. 
Perhaps cupsd is picking it from some /etc/printcap or other lpr
configuration file?

Anyway, I'd advise you to hook your printer anyway, so that CUPS can
find it instead of the ghost parallel port... CUPS won't take care of
loading kernel modules, for instance.


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Re: IRC server configuration

[Nicos Gollan]

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:27:37 -0500
Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am thinking I would like to set up something more like an IM process
> than the more open IRC process.  I would like to be able to "chat"
> with specific (invited?) people in real time.  But I don't want it
> completely open like IRC servers typically are.
> 
> I don't have the interest or the bandwidth to run a IRC server for all
> the various chat-rooms out there.  But more along the lines of having
> a chat server that can be set up for dedicated groups of people (read 
> family & friends).

Have a look at a Jabber (www.jabber.org) server. It supports groupchats
which might be what you're looking for.

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Re: status of "people" server?

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Carsten!

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:23:13AM +0100, Carsten Bleek wrote:
I want to get a cyrus backport from:
deb http://people.debian.org/~hmh/woody/ hmh/cyrus/
Since 2 days I guess, the location results into a redirection loop.

Anybody knows something about the status?
Or is there a mirror available?
Just to link it together, see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200312/msg01008.html
for a mirror.
Cheers,
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test

[Tom Allison]

apologies, but i have a lot of debian-user mail stuck in queue

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IRC server configuration

[Tom Allison]

I would like to set up an IRC server, I think

I am thinking I would like to set up something more like an IM process 
than the more open IRC process.  I would like to be able to "chat" with 
specific (invited?) people in real time.  But I don't want it completely 
open like IRC servers typically are.

I don't have the interest or the bandwidth to run a IRC server for all 
the various chat-rooms out there.  But more along the lines of having a 
chat server that can be set up for dedicated groups of people (read 
family & friends).

Seeing as I'm pretty bad with IRC in general, I know enough comands to 
get on, chat, get off, I thought it would be sensible not install a chat 
server but instead ask the following:

What are some chat servers out there that would be good (simple, secure)?

Or would it be more effective to install some kind of dedicated IM 
(jasper?) and work my way up from there.  One feature I really want to 
have is the feature of a chat-room having many people.  IM's typically 
don't do this, but I'm not very experienced.

Is there any recommended RTFM activities I should take up first?

I don't need much functionality right now, so I don't know that I need a 
very fancy/feature-rich application.

I do have a requirement to go cross-platform:
Linux, Windows 98-XP and possibly Mac 9.x.
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IP addresses.

[Geoff Bagley]

My firewall captures the IP addresses of people who "ping" my TCP ports.
They consist of the standard four eight-bit integers.
The firewall  "whois" command is able to back-track some of these,  others
not.

Is there a programme,  Linux or Windows,  or a Web Site,  where I can look
up such
numbers, and convert them to normal internet addresses ?

Geoff.


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Re: compiling kernel for another system

[Magnus von Koeller]

On Thursday 04 December 2003 16:29, John L. Fjellstad wrote:
> When I tried, I got several unresolved symbols when installing the
> deb package during the /sbin/depmod -a stage.  I'm guessing because
> testing uses libc6 2.3.2, while stable uses libc6 2.2.5.

Hey, finally someone with the same problem... I posted about this 
weeks ago.

Well, anyway, as it turns out this problem actually goes away as soon 
as you boot into the new kernel (at least that's what happened when I 
tried it).

I simply installed the packet, disregarded the warning and booted into 
the new kernel and everything worked just fine.

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Re: Color in text console

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:40:00PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 08:05:49PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > How come I don't see a dependency of prboom on aalib1?
> 
> It being able to *use* it if it's there isn't the same thing as *requiring*
> that it be there in order to function.
> 
> Although a Suggests might be nice. ^_^

afaik it uses SDL for rendering and you tell SDL to use aalib. So,
prboom shouldn't suggest or depend on aalib.

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Re: PID for ksoftireqd_CPU0 and friends

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Norman!

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:40:52AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
[...]
And I can see why they don't compare properly, because the PS output
reports them all as PID 0.
USER   PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root 1  0.0  0.0  1484  444 ?SDec03   0:03 init
root 2  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:01 [keventd]
root 3  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [kapmd]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SWN  Dec03   0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:16 [kswapd]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [bdflush]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [kupdated]
root59  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [khubd]
Is this normal?
Yes, it happens, and no, it shouldn't happen.
See
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=217525
for some background.
Cheers,
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Re: Applications too big in X

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Mark!

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:52:49AM -0200, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:
Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:32:58 -0800, Mark Healey escreveu:

I run it in
800X600 mode and it looks like the application window thinks it is on a
much higher resolution display.
	Perhaps you have configured your X to think it is bigger than 800x600?

	I forget the name of this feature, but some people love to do this.
It's "Virtual" in the Display-Subsection of your XF86config-4, or
alternatively your Modes are not in order, like having 1280x1024 after
1024x768 and thus causing X to use the bigger one as your virtual
size.
Check man XF86config-4 for details.
I'm not sure whether this applies to your problem, though.

Cheers,
Flo


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Re: avoid running cron jobs on holidays

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:06:17 +0530, Sabar_Prabhu escreveu:

> ur email id over the net n saw that ur an

Which language is this?  To whom are ye talking to?


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Re: PID for ksoftireqd_CPU0 and friends

[Tom]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:40:52AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote:
> Is this normal?

Yes.  Dammit, I can't find the bug #.  Search the archives of this list.


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Re: cupsys - cupsd won't stay running!!!

[Rohit Kumar Mehta]

Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote:

Do you have the parport kernel module installed, and the above
directories and files in /proc with appropriate permissions?
	Most important, do you use the parallel port for your printer?

No, I have not even configured a printer.  I was hoping I could do that 
through the slick cupsd UI.
I *did* notice however on the machine where cupsd runs when I look in proc:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/proc/sys/dev$ ls /proc/sys/dev
cdrom
but on the machine where cupsd dies there is a /proc/sys/dev/parport 
directory:

linstation1:/proc/sys/dev/parport# ls -al
total 0
dr-xr-xr-x4 root root0 Dec  5 07:53 .
dr-xr-xr-x5 root root0 Dec  5 07:53 ..
dr-xr-xr-x2 root root0 Dec  5 07:53 default
dr-xr-xr-x3 root root0 Dec  5 07:53 parport0
linstation1:/proc/sys/dev/parport#
Also the machine where cupsd runs has a /dev/lp1 and the nonworking 
machine does not.  
They are both running slpd with out of the box slp.conf.  Could the 
missing lp1 special file
be the problem?  Where does /dev/lp1 come from?

Rohit

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Re: Wierd passwd problem

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Derek!

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 04:44:44PM +0800, Derek Chew En-Hock wrote:
 I got a particular weird passwd problem with one particular debian
 machine that I am using... apparently, whether you input a password
 with a special character, the system still thinks its the
 same as the password without the special character...
 for example, if my password is testing123$

 the system would actually allow a valid login with either testing123
 or testing123$ as the valid password!
Is it really the special character, or rather something along of not
having md5 enabled and thus being limited to eight characters. See
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2003/debian-security-200312/msg00094.html
for details.
Cheers,
Flo


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Re: RAID question

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:41:56 +0800, Arne Goetje escreveu:

> am planning to plug in two SATA drives and use RAID 1 (mirroring) on
> them. Besides telling the controller to use them as a RAID array, what do
> I have to do on Linux (Debian unstable) to make it recognize the array?

Nothing, as the idea of a RAID at the controller level is to make the
controller present the array as a single disk.


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Re: RAID question

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:41:56AM +0800, Arne Goetje wrote:
> I have a mainboard (ASUS A7N8X) with onboard SATA controller (SiI 3112A) 
> and am planning to plug in two SATA drives and use RAID 1 (mirroring) 
> on them. Besides telling the controller to use them as a RAID array, 
> what do I have to do on Linux (Debian unstable) to make it recognize 
> the array?
> Is there any software for linux to detect disk failures on the RAID 
> array, so that I can get alarmed when a drive gets a mad?
> 
> Any documentation on the net?

I am getting ready to install RAID on a Debian server.

Here are 3 references I have gathered so far to prepare:

http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/

http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html

http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Boot+Root+Raid+LILO.html

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Re: LILO

[Robert L. Harris]

Grub and lilo are the only ones I know of.  What are you seeing with the
laptop and lilo?


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> I tried to install debian (v3.0) on my laptop, but LILO did not work. 
> Are there any alternatives? (like GRUB (which do work on my laptop
> (RedHat)))
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Re: IP change and IP redirection

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:29:23 +, Liam Ward escreveu:

> All I
> need to do for now is change my /etc/network/interfaces (and /etc/hosts
> and /etc/resolv.conf) and reboot.

You shouldn't need to reboot after changing these files!


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LILO

[Hans Olav Eggestad]

I tried to install debian (v3.0) on my laptop, but LILO did not work. 
Are there any alternatives? (like GRUB (which do work on my laptop
(RedHat)))

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PID for ksoftireqd_CPU0 and friends

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Hello world,

Out of curiosity more than anything else, I ran chkrootkit (0.42 from
unstable) on my laptop. It comes back clean (though I recognize that
that's not definitive), except for a warning about LKM because there
are 4 processes hidden from the ps command.

I did a little digging and, following some advice that I googled, I
compared the PIDs in /proc with the PIDs from the PS command.

It turns out, AFAICT, that the only discrepancy is that processes
4, 5, 6, and 7 are missing from the PS command. Those, according to
/proc are ksoftirqd_CPU0, kswapd, bdflush, and kupdated.

And I can see why they don't compare properly, because the PS output
reports them all as PID 0.

USER   PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root 1  0.0  0.0  1484  444 ?SDec03   0:03 init
root 2  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:01 [keventd]
root 3  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [kapmd]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SWN  Dec03   0:00 [ksoftirqd_CPU0]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:16 [kswapd]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [bdflush]
root 0  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [kupdated]
root59  0.0  0.0 00 ?SW   Dec03   0:00 [khubd]

Is this normal?

Be seeing you,
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Re: Pinning question

[Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra]

Em Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:47:21 -0500, Rich B escreveu:

> One of my servers is running stable, but I've added Unstable

If you *really, really* want to do it, there is a section on
running mixed distributions in the apt HOWTO manual.


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Re: Applications too big in X

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Em Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:32:58 -0800, Mark Healey escreveu:

> I run it in
> 800X600 mode and it looks like the application window thinks it is on a
> much higher resolution display.

Perhaps you have configured your X to think it is bigger than 800x600?

I forget the name of this feature, but some people love to do this.


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Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion

[Tom Allison]

H. S. wrote:
Tom Allison wrote:


I think before you start parroting the same thing
1,000's before you 

have griped about I would like to at least present
some of my personal 

findings in the last 4 months.


Not 1000's times, but many times, yes. hee hee
Facts: 1) I am griping about Woody installer.
2) Haven't seen sarge installer -- didn't know it was
out.
3) I am NOT griping about a GUI in the installer(in
the sense that you 
seems to have understood, that is why you gave the
Windoze example 
below). I am griping about a better UI though, I
wouldn't mind even an 
ncurses based one which is "easy" and "intuitive".

If sarge installer is an improvement, Great!!


Sorry, I just assumed you mean GUI.  There are a lot of threads on that 
one around here.

The sarge installer is not "released" yet, but it is available as some 
level of test/alpha/beta package for you to try out if you want it.

It's not ready for prime time, but it's getting there.

But I do want to give that development team some publicity here in that 
I think they've got something really cool.

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Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion

[Tom Allison]

Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 23:35 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:

You are dead right, of course.  I keep forgetting that there are folks
new to Unix, even, installing debian.  Which is really great.


It's great, but ...

My first linux install was done by a friend.  Even redhat was hard for
me to figure out at the time (granted, redhat's installer back then was
probably more cryptic than debian's installer now).
We can have newbies using linux without requiring them to install it for
the first time.  Installs are the hardest part of using *any* linux
distro.
I tried to install Windows a while back (windows 98 about 2 years ago) 
and while the installation worked, I was *never* able to get the 
hardware working *consistently*.

Reliability drove me nuts!

My experience has told me this:

An initial impression based on the installation may be very important to 
those who are interested in a quick "test drive" of the product and for 
those interested in publishing an article on the latest net-zine.

Marketing types would insist that this is the highest priority.

It is a priority, but not the highest.

What is going to matter in the long run is not what happens in the first 
day of use, but in the next day or next year.  I've been sorely 
disappointed by these commercial distributions (Windows and Linux) that 
came in a pretty box.

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Re: Gentoo compromised too

[Ken Gilmour]

>> I suspect that all these attacks are not unrelated.  Someone is
>> out to get us.

I blame "crazy willy" Lets get him *biff*



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Re: IP change and IP redirection

[Ken Gilmour]

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:29:23 -, Liam Ward wrote:
> Can anyone confirm my thoughts above and suggest the best order in
> which to do the DNS changes (including the IP address change of the
> name server with the registrar).

What about setting a secondary IP address for that server so that when
the first one is down it will automatically default to the new one? You
can then change that to the default Address.

are you using hosting365.ie? They're doing this too.




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Re: No need for 2.4.23 (re compromise)

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2003-12-05 12:19:13 +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote:
> If your only concern is the brk() vulnerability, you don't need to get
> kernel sources from  and roll your own. I've seen this several
> times now, and not yet a single message to the contrary.
> 
> No, Debian didn't leave Joe User out in the rain to get his own kernel
> source. All you need is apt-getable. Even a kernel package if you don't
> want to compile just now.

But this means downgrading to 2.4.18.

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Re: missing URL

[Tom Allison]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Tom Allison wrote:

http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/

I don't know if this is still a known problem, it probably is, but 
this URL is missing.  I only bring this up because the rest of the 
server seems to have some presence on the Internet.

I'm really curious to see what developments have come along on the 
net-install CD's for Sarge.


http://freedesktop.org/~daniel/d-i/



Thanks.

I was wondering what might be the best place to find out about ongoing 
developments.  I didn't see a changelog on this directory and figured 
there is probably a mailing list out there that would be better.

Can you recommend one?

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No need for 2.4.23 (re compromise)

[Christian Schnobrich]

Hello,

I'm quite behind on reading this list, so maybe someone else has already
pointed this out, and anyway it's coming rather late. Still:

If your only concern is the brk() vulnerability, you don't need to get
kernel sources from  and roll your own. I've seen this several
times now, and not yet a single message to the contrary.

No, Debian didn't leave Joe User out in the rain to get his own kernel
source. All you need is apt-getable. Even a kernel package if you don't
want to compile just now.

From
http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2003/msg00212.html

> This bug has been fixed in kernel version 2.4.23 for the 2.4 tree and
> 2.6.0-test6 kernel tree. For Debian it has been fixed in version
> 2.4.18-12 of the kernel source packages, version 2.4.18-14 of the i386
> kernel images and version 2.4.18-11 of the alpha kernel images.

cu,
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Re: libxaw6

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Robin!

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:03:26AM +, Robin Gerard wrote:
can someone send me the package debian libxaw6 (>= 4.1.0-7)
Do you really want to be bombed?

What's wrong with those from
http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86/ ?
Cheers,
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Re: New kernel cud not detect ethernet cards

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

S.Palanisaravanan (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

>  I am using a Debian 2.2.20-idepci kernel.Y'day i installed kernel
>  2.4.23(Since it is the latest stable one,I want to use it).I just
>  copied the my old kernels configuration
>  file(/boot/config-2.2..20-idepci) and compiled my new 2.4.23
>  kernel.Every thing is working fine except it can not detect the
>  ethernet cards.I am using two ethernet cards.
> When it is booting,the folwwing message i got
> -
> Configuring network interfaces:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
> SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device
> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> [...]
> 
> In my old kernel i am able to use ethernet cards.
> 
> where it is goig wrong?.Any modules are needed?.
> Or anything to do with /etc/modules.conf.
> Please help me.I am new to this area.

If you used the old configuration file, make sure you:
 - copied the file to /path/to/kernel-source/.config
 - ran "make oldconfig"

To see exactly what's going on, you first have to find out which drivers
your ethernet cards use. dmesg | less using the old kernel can tell
you. Next, find out if your new kernel has these drivers, by using make
xconfig or make menuconfig.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Earthlink and Swen

[kmark+debian-user]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:56:59PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:08:23PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> ...
> > I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to
> > the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web via squid... I run
> > Apache but it too is locked down to localhost.  My mail is run through my
> > ISP's (earthlink's) virus and spam filters before I get it (otherwise I'd
> > be getting like 10 Svens per day). I do see, from time to time, Apache
> > refusing connections attempts which are generally attacks by Windoze worms.
> 
> I had a long talk with earthlink a month or two ago in which they told
> me they were not filtering out swen (and they certainly weren't; I got
> a ton).  Soon after that, I did see some swen-like stuff in their spam
> filter for my account (but I also saw plenty still coming at me).
> 
> What's your basis for saying they are filtering out swen, rather than
> that you're just getting less swen?

Hi,
I had a few choice words for earthlink after they responsed to my
emails. They said spam they could filter but viruses 'somehow' require
them to scan the entire email and this would 'invade' my privacy. I told
them that was bs. so having my 10mb email account fill up and start
bouncing and losing emails was what I was suppose to get for my bucks?!
They offer a 'blocking' black list web page but you have to enter a single email
address, no regex. Like spamers use a single address!
all in all earthlink sucks. and of course they dont offer encrtpted mail
like secure pop or imap.
-Kev


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Re: ye olde upgrade vs. dist-upgrade

[John L. Fjellstad]

Marc Wilson wrote:
 
> Is there a reason to not actually bother reading the man page for apt-get
> and learning the difference between the two targets?

Why do you bother answer, when giving the answer makes you so uncomfortable?

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Re: Switch to Sarge lost browser link in Mutt

[John L. Fjellstad]

Arnt Karlsen wrote:

> ..I dunno if transplarency works with Gnome (does anyone?),
> but try Konsole-1.2.3: [EMAIL PROTECTED] konsole --version

It doesn't do transparancy under Gnome and I haven't gotten UNICODE to work
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Re: Kernel options, modules, etc.

[John L. Fjellstad]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:

> Ok that means I have to unpack kernel source to get the required
> documents. Thanks,
> Hoyt

You could just install the kernel-docs...
apt-get install kernel-doc-x.y.zz

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compiling kernel for another system

[John L. Fjellstad]

My server runs Debian stable, while my workstation runs Debian testing.
Since the server is a slower machine, I would like to create the kernel
package on my workstation and install the deb package on my server.
Is this possible?

When I tried, I got several unresolved symbols when installing the deb
package during the /sbin/depmod -a stage.  I'm guessing because testing
uses libc6 2.3.2, while stable uses libc6 2.2.5.

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Re: [OT] got a new isp

[lnx]

You can try www.dslreports.com. May have your isp listed there..

Lee



At 01:21 AM 12/5/2003, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
After 28 months with Mexican Prodigy switched to Mexican AT&T.

It was the worst service ever: almost every day at least one hangup, 
frequent DSN lookup hangs, frequent nothing-at-alls.

But... I should not complain because I paid for only 12 months...

which is a symbol of the organization.

So I have a question: does anybody know of a way to compare ISP performances?

I looked into this in the past and even installed it: it is PasTmon, the 
passive network monitor. I installed it from source, uses Postgresql as 
database, R as the statistical package, you need a network intercept 
library for it. Very complete package.

Except... you get deluged in data. So in order to compare ISP's you would 
need a significant statistical effort, with some sort of benchmarks to go with.

So, do I only wonder about comparing ISP's in Mexico, or does this have 
more universal validity?

Hugo.



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Re: 2.6 kernel: module cannot be unloaded

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Thanasis!

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:50:25PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
scripsit Roberto Sanchez:

I'm not sure.  Do you have discover or kudzu installed (both are
hardware autodetectors that may try loading/unloading modules to
figure out what you have.  Just a thought.
Nope; neither is installed.  This is a fairly new net install with no
tasksel stuff, either, just base plus X and the apps I use.
IIRC the kernel tries to autoprobe your IDE driver, but sometimes
fails and loads many drivers until one 'fits'.
Try to explicitly set your IDE module and see if this mass loading of
modules persists.
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Re: gpl - Re: Gentoo compromised too

[Tom]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 01:18:00AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> and in my book, gpl licenses should be changed anyway ... now's a
> good time .. :-0 to tighten its reins too

There are two aspects to GPL: "just show me the source dumbass" and "how 
dare you charge me $50,000 for this shitty software".

The first is dead on: at Microsoft, there are .pdb servers so you can 
get complete stack traces on core dumps.  (The .pdbs in Checked Builds 
of Windows are partially stripped).  When I was working with ISVs, the 
hardest thing was to get them to give us .pdbs, because most people 
don't build know to build Symbols in release mode, and two their scared.  
But absolutely nothing useful can be learned without a proper 
stacktrace.  The closed-source industry should emulate the "free 
exchange of ideas part"

The second part is understandable but ultimately not defensible: there 
really is no correlation between the cost of software and its value, so 
you always end up in these stupid situation where you've spent $100,000 
for software and you're pulling 36-hour shifts to keep it running.  But 
the correct way to fix that problem is to improve software quality and 
incrementally lower prices -- the way the market fixes things.  Stallman 
unfortunately ate too much acid (as some of us have too :-) and got his 
hatred of his parents (the root cause of all political protests) 
chocolate mixed up in his peanut butter.  He probably was pissed off 
because his Research Grant got denied or some other academia niggling 
issue -- colllege people are notorious about bitching over funding.

It's the second part that is silly and will not stand up in court.  The 
first part is okay.


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libxaw6

[Robin Gerard]

Hello,
can someone send me the package debian libxaw6 (>= 4.1.0-7)
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New kernel cud not detect ethernet cards

[S.Palanisaravanan]

 I am using a Debian 2.2.20-idepci kernel.Y'day i installed kernel 2.4.23(Since it is 
the latest stable one,I want to use it).I just copied the my old kernels configuration 
file(/boot/config-2.2..20-idepci) and compiled my new 2.4.23 kernel.Every thing is 
working fine except it can not detect the ethernet cards.I am using two ethernet cards.
When it is booting,the folwwing message i got
-
Configuring network interfaces:
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device
eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device

modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module eth1



In my old kernel i am able to use ethernet cards.

where it is goig wrong?.Any modules are needed?.
Or anything to do with /etc/modules.conf.
Please help me.I am new to this area.



 

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Re: Anyone used a Lindows Laptop?

[kmark+debian-user]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:24:17PM +1100, John wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> I have just started looking for a new laptop courtesy of the logic board on my ibook 
> dying and being hit for a Aust $935 bill for a new one. I have been looking at the 
> Lindows Mobile PC which I could get for Aust $1165 from sub300.com. I have been 
> trying to find some reviews by people who have purchased a Lindows Laptop but have 
> not had much luck? I have seen a few posts that say describe upgrading the Lindows 
> to Debian Unstable and it sounds quite easy. Just wondering if anyone has used this 
> laptop and has any comments.

the first thing laptop mfgrs leave out is battery life. So, I checked
and it has 2 hrs max. so, that was a deal breaker for me. I have had a
little experience with lindows 3.0 desktop. It was based on stable I
think. And you could do some selective apt-geting. But from my very
limited stable->unstable attempt, it didnt work. Also, it had only root
logon. and it disabled virtual terminals, so you could not fix things if
they went very wrong. But the newer version may be better. BTW to you
have a link so that I can check outt he 'lindows upgrade' article.
HTH
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Re: ALSA + KMix not working

[Danilo Raineri]

ScruLoose wrote:

> If you want more controls, why not just pop open alsamixer in a terminal
> window?  You can easily set up a menu item or panel button to do this as
> one step if you expect to use the mixer often.

You are completely right, the means to do whatever you need are already
available; I just wanted to be able to use the kmix applet, which is a lot
quicker to use (point the mouse to the channel, roll the mouse wheel...)

Anyway, I guess this is not a great problem :)

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Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Dave wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:20:21 +0100, Terry Hancock 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
>  >There is also the point that *somebody* found this bug.  Just not the
>  >folks we were hoping would. ;-)  Letting real crackers hammer your
>  >system is another way to find bugs, although we hope it's a last resort.
> 
> You missed my point.  I think this *is* a fire drill!  I think this 
> break-in was done by the best folks we could ever hope for.
> 
> Consider this: The attacker chose a system that was heavily guarded and 
> would generate a quick response from the people who could distribute a fix 
> most quickly. He or she had intimate knowledge of the various Debian 
> servers.  And no damage was done.
> 
> Can you hope for a better hacker than this?  Do you think he could have had 
> the same impact by merely announcing that he *could* break into a system if 
> he wanted?
> 
> The real question now is "How many similar exploits exist, and are being 
> kept quiet for use in a real situation."  We can only hope it's the good 
> guys who have these secrets.

anytime you dont lose data ...  consider yourself lucky ... and learn
from it and tighten the boat some
- i'm assuming the debian boat is tightened ??
( more staging machines and key checking ? )

-- you can always simulate a firedrill ...  at any random time ...
and work out additional security policies accordingly

c ya
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gpl - Re: Gentoo compromised too

[Alvin Oga]

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, David Palmer. wrote:

> > Once is happenstance.
> > Twice is coincidence.
> > Three times is enemy action.
> > 
> > I suspect that all these attacks are not unrelated.  Someone is out to
> > get us.
> 
> I've been certain of this for a while.
> It's not just the distributions themselves, it's the entire open source
> movement.
> SCOs' antics are just the face of a takeover bid.
> The Royal Bank of Canada financed them for how much? With a Microsoft
> executive sitting on the board.
> This is not just a few crackers doing it to show their grubby little
> mates that they can. Someone's paying them, and paying them well. This
> sort of hack is pulled off by someone who really knows his/her stuff.
> 
> You watch, The GPL will be invalidated next.
> I've been watching the WSIS and other aspects of the complete spectrum
> and it's not looking good.
> Regards,

gpl and all of its forefathers have been around 25+ years ... its
not gonna go away because of a few (very likely) highly-paid crackers

and in my book, gpl licenses should be changed anyway ... now's a
good time .. :-0 to tighten its reins too

c ya
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Re: Gentoo compromised too

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, John Hasler wrote:

> Flo writes:
> > But even worse, about the Savannah crack
> 
> Once is happenstance.
> Twice is coincidence.
> Three times is enemy action.
> 
> I suspect that all these attacks are not unrelated.  Someone is out to get
> us.

quick .. close the gates

:-)
alvin



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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

[Tom]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:

> I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
> Scottish-style system.  AFAIK there are no party members in the Congress
> that are not Democrats or Republicans.

You conveniently ignored the quote by the Indian fellow who complained 
about how there are too many political parties.

In my personal opinion, the culture which is most similar to America is 
India, although we took different routes to get there: they've been 
through Democracy, Theocracy, Tyranny, Oligarchy, Nothingorcracy, and 
Sillyocracy, and so they really don't take much of anything too 
seriously nowadays.  Americans don't take anything too seriously either.

The "anarcho-syndicalist" comment was hopefully a self-conscious ironic 
reference to Michael Palin in The Holy Grail, I hope, and not serious.

http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/ea/side/whig.html:
"The term Whig came into common use in 1834, and persisted until the 
disintegration of the party after the presidential ELECTION of 1856. The 
anti-Jackson groups drew upon the political history of two revolutions, 
the American and 17th century English, for their name. In both cases the 
opposition to the king had called themselves Whigs. Now it was "King 
Andrew" Jackson who was the alleged tyrant.
The Whigs' direct political antecedents were the National Republicans, 
the administration party during John Quincy ADAMS' presidency 
(1825-1829)."

Southerners originally hated Republicans because they were the 
Carpetbaggers who came down and acted like slimey weasel businessmen 
during Reconstructed.  (Sometimes I pull for Osama because I know what 
it's like to lose a war to Americans.  It galls.)  Jesse Helms was 
originally a Democrat.

Don't get me wrong: I absolutely loate and am ashamed of my fellow 
southerners who are consciously are subconsciously racist.  (This means 
I loathe myself sometimes -- it rubs off).  But the Whigs were the 
Republicans/Democrats before they started using the Race-issue in an 
obnoxious way to do shitty things to people, like the Democrats do now.


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Applications too big in X

[Mark Healey]

Whenever I run an application in X the window is too big.  I run it in
800X600 mode and it looks like the application window thinks it is on
a much higher resolution display.  This isn't much of a problem with
most programs, but for the ones where you can't resize the window it
is.

How do I fix it?

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IP change and IP redirection

[Liam Ward]

Hi all,

One of our servers is co-located at an ISP. The ISP would like us to 
change its IP address. They are going to set up IP redirection to 
help in the transition. If someone has experience of this, I would 
appreciate the benefit of that experience. By the way, the server is 
a registered name server.

According to the ISP, the IP redirection is completely transparent. 
All I need to do for now is change my /etc/network/interfaces (and 
/etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf) and reboot. I don't need to have 
eth0 configured for both the old and new IP addresses and services 
that are bound to the old IP address function normally. This sounds a 
bit fishy to me.

My feeling is that I should change every IP-related configuration on 
the machine to the new address when changing the eth0 configuration. 
This is not a big problem except for the DNS changes which will take 
time to propagate. I've set the TTLs to a small value in the zones 
for which this server is authoritative.

Can anyone confirm my thoughts above and suggest the best order in 
which to do the DNS changes (including the IP address change of the 
name server with the registrar).

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fast - Re: Debian Investigation Report after Server Compromises

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, csj wrote:

> Now I'm curious: is it possible to get rooted while on dialup?

fastest breakin i know about took about 15 seconds for them 
(the crackers) to get in and play with that new box ...

once that machine went online ... they were already cracked
and had to reinstalll and harden before going online

when you go live... you're always looking for stuff .. why
things are not working properly...

c ya
alvin

- if a cracker sitting on a oc3 at a colo does decide to crack
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Cyrus 2.1 Debian woody backports temporarily hosted at ftp.cipsga.org.br

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

Since people.debian.org is still down, I have uploaded all my backports,
which includes cyrus 2.1, to ftp.cipsga.org.br.

This is a temporary location.  When people.debian.org goes online, I will
remove the backports from ftp.cipsga.org.br.

deb lines:

deb ftp://ftp.cipsga.org.br/ hmh/cyrus/
deb ftp://ftp.cipsga.org.br/ hmh/misc/
...

and so on.

Do notice that for most backports, you need the misc/ repository, where I
store common deps.

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

[Thanasis Kinias]

scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
[snip]
> > I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> > organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
> > Scottish-style system.  AFAIK there are no party members in the
> > Congress that are not Democrats or Republicans.
> >
> bernie sanders, rep from vermont, has always been an independent.

...and hence not a member of any `third' party -- or am I missing
something?

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

[ben_foley]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:11PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Tom:
> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:15PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> > 
> > > a system (I did the math a while ago) we'd have a small but nonzero
> > > number of (at least) Greens and Libertarians in the House, even with
> > 
> > There is 1 independent Senator and 1 independent Congressman (what's the 
> > generic term for member of House?  Representative?), so it's already 
> > "nonzero".
> 
> The senator was elected as a Republican, though, and bolted, IIRC. 
> 
> I was aware of the indepentents; `nonzero' referred to members of
> organized `third' parties, which could run party lists under a
> Scottish-style system.  AFAIK there are no party members in the Congress
> that are not Democrats or Republicans.
>
bernie sanders, rep from vermont, has always been an
independent.

ben


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Re: shell script question

[HdV]

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Han Huynh wrote:

> Is there any way to export a variable for one parent shell to a different
> parent shell?  I know that export will work to a subshell, but I can't find
> any process to return a variable to a different parent shell.

I am not sure I understand your question, but I'd suggest you take a
look at the eval built-in function of the shell. I think it is what you
need. The bash advanced scripting guide might be of help to you:

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/

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Wierd passwd problem

[Derek Chew En-Hock]

Hi Guys,

  I got a particular weird passwd problem with one particular debian
  machine that I am using... apparently, whether you input a password
  with a special character, the system still thinks its the
  same as the password without the special character...

  for example, if my password is testing123$

  the system would actually allow a valid login with either testing123
  or testing123$ as the valid password!

  In addition, I noticed passwd sometimes gives the error "passwd:
  Authentication information cannot be recovered" when I try changing
  the password...

  Anyone could give me a hand in this please?
  

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy

[Björn Lindström]

John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> David Palmer. wrote:
>> Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
>> offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that want
>> to do the job for the right reasons.
>
> No.  You'd get the ones that want to do the job for all the worst possible
> reasons.  Under those conditions only fanatics and crackpots would run for
> office.

I agree. I believe that the only way to get more sensible people into
desition-making positions is to make political assignments a duty rather
than a voluntary assignments.

I think that maybe the Athenians got it right when they even used
lottery to decide who would hold certain positions. (A bit like the jury
system in the US, if I am not mistaken.)

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Re: Anfrage f?r einen Linktausch an debian-user@lists.debian.org

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> I do about 50% comprehension of written German when I try reading it.
> That looked _vaguely_ technical when I read it in the wee hours
> 
> /me hides in a corner

http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ is great for double-checking.

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Re: Pinning question

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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:47:21AM -0500, Rich B wrote:
> What did I do wrong? I thought my Pin-prioritys would prevent anything 
> from upgrading to Sid unless I explicitly asked for it.

Don't pin between stable and anything newer, or you'll end up just
having some serious cascading dependencies that will result in you
running testing or unstable in the end anyway.  See also: apt-pinning
considered harmful unless you *really* know what it's going to do.

Use http://www.apt-get.org/ to find good backports for woody instead.

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy

[David Palmer.]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:05:39 -0500
ScruLoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:50:35PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > David Palmer. wrote:
> 
> > > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a
> > > capital offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the
> > > ones that want to do the job for the right reasons.
> > 
> > No.  You'd get the ones that want to do the job for all the worst
> > possible reasons.  Under those conditions only fanatics and
> > crackpots would run for office.
> 
> This is true, but you could take a huge step in the right direction
> just by applying a halfway-sane definition of "political bribe" in the
> first place, and making sure it comes with stiff penalties.
> 
> Half of the stuff that gets called "campaign contribution" in the US
> would get both parties ten years in jail if you tried it in any other
> democracy in the world.
> 
> How Enron donating a billion dollars (that it got from stockholders by
> fraud) to G. W. Bush's presidential campaign (for example) contributes
> to freedom, democracy, and fair elections is a mystery to me.
> 
Yep, and Cheneys' outfit, Haliburton, have just wound up their contract
in Iraq, from what I hear.
Regards,

David.


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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy

[David Palmer.]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:50:35 -0600
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David Palmer. wrote:
> > Put all politicians on a wage of $500.00/week, and make it a capital
> > offense to take a political bribe, and you would get the ones that
> > want to do the job for the right reasons.
> 
> No.  You'd get the ones that want to do the job for all the worst
> possible reasons.  Under those conditions only fanatics and crackpots
> would run for office.

They do now, John.
I can't tell the difference between them and game show hosts.
Regards,

David.


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Re: radeon and X: was X won't start: Resolved

[Mark Healey]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:19:37 -0600, David Meiser wrote:

>Personally, "Give up" isn't in my vocab.  Here's what you do (and what
>worked for me on my Radeon 8500):
>1) download/compile/install a 2.6.0 series kernel, modularizing the
>Direct Rendering stuff for Radeon, and AGPGART, and whatever your
>motherboard and processor specific setup is

Since most of this is greek I think my plan of wating for a package is
best.

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Re: apt question

[Mark Healey]

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:26:03 -0600, Kent West wrote:

>Mark Healey wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:10:26 -0600, Kent West wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Did you "apt-get update" first? If not, you need to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Thanks.  I could swear that wasn't in the man page.
>>
>>
>>
>enjae[westk]:/home/westk> man apt-get
>. . .
>DESCRIPTION
>   apt-get is the command-line tool for handling packages, and may
>be con-
>. . .
>   update update  is  used  to  resynchronize the package index
>files from
>. . .
>  updated packages is available. *An update should always
>be  per-
>  formed  before  an upgrade or dist-upgrade.* Please be
>aware that
>
>
>(Emphasis added.) But of course, this is on a sid box; it may not be in
>the stable version of the man page. And even so, it's quite easy to miss.

No, I think I'm just going blind.

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy (was Re: Improved Debian Project Emergency Communications)

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> Vote for your third-party during the primary

You can't.  Primary ballots only list candidates from your own party.

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Re: [OT] Slashdot and media accuracy

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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:15:28PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> Yeah.  That narrows the selection pool to those too rich to need the money,
> or those so inexperienced that they'd do an insanely difficult job for
> peanuts.  Not exactly who I want running my government.

Why?  You already use people inexperienced enough that they'd do an
insanely difficult job for peanuts to be your EMTs and police.

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Re: Pinning question

[Ross Boylan]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:47:21AM -0500, Rich B wrote:
> One of my servers is running stable, but I've added Unstable to my 
> /etc/apt/sources file, and in /etc/apt/preferences I put:
> 
>   Package: *
>   Pin: release stable
>   Pin-priority: 900
> 
>   Package: *
>   Pin: release testing
>   Pin-priority: 500
> 
>   Package: *
>   Pin: release unstable
>   Pin-priority: 100
> 
> Now, when I do an apt-get dist-upgrade I'm told:
> 
>   The following NEW packages will be installed:
> gcc-3.3-base initscripts
> 
> What did I do wrong? I thought my Pin-prioritys would prevent anything 
> from upgrading to Sid unless I explicitly asked for it.
> 
> Rich B.
> 
Check out the man page for apt_preferences.  It says (P is the pin priority)
0 < P <=100
causes  a  version to be installed only if there is no installed
version of the package

Neither gcc-3.3 nor initscripts are in stable, so presumably you don't
have an installed version.  So apt feels free to grab the unstable
ones.  (I'm not sure why your dist-upgrade is trying to get them, but
you didn't provide all the details.  Unstable gcc will pull in
gcc-3.3, but presumably the preferences above will not pull in
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Re: Installing KDE

[Ross Boylan]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 11:05:25PM +, James Hosken wrote:
> Quoting Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > James Hosken wrote:
> > > I'm trying top install KDE but all I get are errors. I origianlly
> > > installed woody then upgraded to testing.
> > 
> > There is some documentation on tricking unstable with kde into
> > working
> > here at this reference.
> > 
> >   http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> 
> > Bob
> 
> I have followed the instructions on the DebianKDE, but when you run
> apt-get install kde-core -t unstable
> 
> I only get a error message
> 
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
>
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   kde-core: Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed
> E: Broken packages
> 
> 
> 
> What does thes mean?
> Have I done some thing wrong?
> 
> James
> 
> 
Did you follow the instructions about libsensors?


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Re: Murdering those mutt-gpg key retrievals

[Magnus von Koeller]

On Friday 05 December 2003 04:13, David wrote:
> I have nothing whatsoever mentioning
> auto-key-retrieve on the stable system. I've diffed the
> corresponding ~/.muttrc's, /etc/Muttrc's and ~/.gnupg/options and
> cannot find anything that would account for the different
> behaviors.

Well, I don't know the exact version numbers for this but auto key 
retrieving used to be the default but isn't anymore. If you still 
want it, you need to put this into your ~/.gnupg/options:

keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve

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Earthlink and Swen

[Ross Boylan]

On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:08:23PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
...
> I have all services locked down to localhost; my only connections to
> the outside world are mail, news via nntpcached, web via squid... I run
> Apache but it too is locked down to localhost.  My mail is run through my
> ISP's (earthlink's) virus and spam filters before I get it (otherwise I'd
> be getting like 10 Svens per day). I do see, from time to time, Apache
> refusing connections attempts which are generally attacks by Windoze worms.

I had a long talk with earthlink a month or two ago in which they told
me they were not filtering out swen (and they certainly weren't; I got
a ton).  Soon after that, I did see some swen-like stuff in their spam
filter for my account (but I also saw plenty still coming at me).

What's your basis for saying they are filtering out swen, rather than
that you're just getting less swen?


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