Can't mount CDs I burn in Linux

[Timothy E. Jedlicka - wrk]

I can burn CDs just fine, but I can't mount and read them on my system. The
CDs can be read on windows, just not in Linux (2.4 nor 2.6.3 kernel). Should
I just go back to ide-scsi in 2.6 (can you even do this?)?

When attempting a mount I get either 
# mount /dev/hdc /cdrw
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrw
mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: No medium found

I have kernel 2.6.3 (with isofs built in - not a module)
ii  mkisofs2.0+a27-1  Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images
ii  cdrecord   2.0+a26pre27-1 command line CD writing tool
ii  gcombust   0.1.55-1.1 GTK+ based CD mastering and burning program

/usr/bin/mkisofs
-graft-points
-f
-R
-r
-l
-J
--
show/=/home/bonzo/photos/club/tutorial/show/
040201_6574c3x5.jpg=/home/bonzo/photos/club/tutorial/040201_6574c3x5.jpg...

/usr/bin/cdrecord
-v
-eject
-pad
speed=40
dev=/dev/hdc
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Re: auto run squid

[Paul Johnson]

Umar Draz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>    i have woody! and i have configure squid through source not
> de/sbian package. installation is successfull. now i wnat squid run
> at boot time.

/etc/init.d/ and /etc/rc?.d/ are a start.

However, I must ask if you've tried doing apt-get -b build-dep squid
&& apt-get -b source squid?  That will make you a debian package of
squid from source.  You could also apt-get source package without the
-b on the second command, edit the Makefile from the resulting source
directory, and then apt-get -b source  to customize the
options.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Paul Johnson]

Kevin Ruml <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable"
> rather than "stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros
> latest releases, comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable"
> isn't renamed to something else to dispel the stigma the name gives?
> Not necessarily "desktop", but there has to be something better than
> "unstable".

Except unstable fairly regularly does break.  It's not meant for
production, it's what the Debian Developers are currently working on.

> I've been using Sid on my desktop system for years with only a
> couple glitches over that time period (requiring not "apt-get
> update"ing for a few days 'til it sorted itself out).  I'm sure
> there are a number of suggestions forthcoming - "latest" maybe.

I've had more problems than you, it sounds like, but still, anybody
with better things to do than fix things that broke for no obvious
reason from time to time should be using stable and using backports.

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2.6.5 bootup error (harmless?)

[David Baron]

I get a "fatal error" concerning dma and a -t option with one (or both) of my 
CD drives followed by
... kernel: device-mapper: 4.1.0-ioctl (2003-12-10) initialised: 
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Anyone seen this--what does it mean?



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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Paul Johnson]

Trollcollect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of debians woody
> release i need to vent a bit of the anger and frustration that this
> distribution has caused.

That's nice.  Submit patch or piss off.

> overall totally outdated and useless versions of libraries and
> software.

http://www.backports.org/ 
Sorry you couldn't be bothered to ask questions or learn about Debian
while you were on the mailing list.  You probably should have
subscribed sometime before you decided to stop using Debian.

> I then tried to figure out how to update those packages i need in
> recent versions. As i know KDE from Solaris, i trust enough in their
> own QA procedure to consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for
> usage. Why debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable at
> all, is beyond my understanding.

Because KDE2 is usable.

> However it turned out that i could not update only selected packages
> easily. In fact neither of dselect or apt-get seemed to have a
> method to do this in a sensible way.

Because you're probably asking it to install incompatible versions of
software, or failing to judiciously use --force-something.

> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not capable of
> doing this, however i asked in a few linux related channels and also
> at work, noone could tell me how to set up a half-way decent debian
> without compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to build it
> all by hand but then, without the packaging system what good is
> debian?

The configuration is still sane even without the package management.
You don't have to use some distro-specific tool to set things up.
It's the only distro that runs on 13 architectures.  You can install
Debian on a 386 with 16MB of RAM and 100MB of disk and *still* have
space for /home.  3rd party Debian packages, even packages for other
.deb-based distros, Just Work(tm) in other Debian-based distros.  What
more reasons do you need?

> I hope that whoever is responsible for the direction debian is
> steering to currently thinks about the target of the whole
> distribution, which is to provide users with a decent linux system
> that comes stable, yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive
> among other distributions.

We have thought about the direction.  That's why Debian is the fastest
growing distribution out there.  Sorry you decided you don't want to
be part of that.

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Re: KDE 100% CPU usage - kio_thumbnail - Excel fault

[Katipo]

Joseph wrote:

On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 23:21, Katipo wrote:
 

Joseph wrote:

   

When I open KDE folder I get almost 100% CPU usage.
And I think I know what is causing it. The program that is taking the
CPU usage is kio_thumbnail and the reason is the Excel file in a folder
(MS fault again :-/).
Removing the MS Excel file solves the problem, CPU usage goes back to 1
or 2% usage.
Did anybody run onto similar problem?



 

Hello Joseph,

Just out of curiosity, what does your ppp0/pppoe log read for those busy 
periods?
Regards,

David.
   

Good question,
How do I find out (I'm still new to it).
Though, I can repeat the process every-time. Save Excel spreadsheet to a
folder, re-open the folder and after few 3 to 5 seconds CPU usage goes
to 98%
Deleting the Excel file solves the problem, CPU goes down to normal.
 

You will find your log files in your 'var' directory, under 'log.'
Regards,
David.

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Re: [OT] procmail rule to remove annoying unsubscribe/subscribe emails

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Allan Wind wrote:

> On 2004-04-12T16:06:06+0100, Michael Graham wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone had written a procmail rule to filter out
> > emails with the subject unsubscribe or subscribe which have been sent to
> > the debian-* lists. Preferably messages like mine will still be seen
> > i.e. ones that have other words not just subscribe.

I use this one in my .procmailrc:

:0:
* ^Subject:.(unsuscribe|unsubscribe|subscribe|remove 
me|SUBSCRIBE|UNSUBSCRIBE|.*PLEASE READ)
unsubscribe


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Re: KDE 100% CPU usage - kio_thumbnail - Excel fault

[CiAsA S'Nuey Boark]

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On Tuesday April 13 2004 12:39 am, Joseph wrote:
> When I open KDE folder I get almost 100% CPU usage.
> And I think I know what is causing it. The program that is taking the
> CPU usage is kio_thumbnail and the reason is the Excel file in a folder
> (MS fault again :-/).
>
> Removing the MS Excel file solves the problem, CPU usage goes back to 1
> or 2% usage.
>
> Did anybody run onto similar problem?

Any reason you just cant turn off previews for that data type?
view->previews->disable previews
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Re: auto run squid

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-13, Umar Draz penned:
> --0-2058723158-1081831162=:87425 Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset=us-ascii
>
> hi dear members
>  
>i have woody! and i have configure squid through source not
>de/sbian package. installation is successfull. now i wnat squid run
>at boot time.
>  
> /usr/local/squid/sbin/squid (this command run squid deamon)
>  
> so plz tell me where i can put this line that my squid automaticall
> when my computer restart
>  

You need to create an init script in /etc/init.d, then create symbolic
links to that script from the runlevel directories in which you wish to
run this.

It would be much easier for you to just use a debian package; do you
have a good reason for not using debian's squid package?

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-13, dircha penned:
>
> Something else it occurs to me be useful is an automated way to
> consider for install/upgrade only unstable packages which have been in
> the repository for 2 days. Most of my problems have been cases where I
> have happened to have upgraded before the severe error has been
> reported against the package.
>
> This would in effect create a "virtual" repository for the user which
> would be a midpoint between unstable and testing.

I've been doing this manually via

ls -lctr /var/lib/apt/lists/

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Re: MailScanner 4.29.7-1 and MCP

[Rob Weir]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:08:15PM -0700, Matt Krause said
> MCP is no longer working. They only thing I have really changed is I
> upgraded from testing 4.28.6-1 to unstable 4.29.7-1 this morning. Not
> sure if they are related or not. I kept all of my config files when
> asked.  /var/log/mail.log says it calls MCP, but never finds any of the
> banned text in /etc/MailScanner/mcp/mcp.cf.  Anyone else had issues with
> the new unstable MailScanner and MCP checking?  Thanks.

Does downgrading it fix it?

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postfix and spamassassin

[Linux Nick]

I was playing around with spamassassin tonight and got it
installed via apt-get made a config file via http://www.yrex.com/spam/spamconfig.php
then set it up for postfix via http://www.muine.org/~hoang/postfix_sa.html
a simple ps aux says its running, thought I don’t know if its actually
filtering I havent gotten any spam, but I normally don’t ;-) but my
problem is that no whenever I get emails in the TO: field instead of having my
name or email address there it now has To: undisclosed-recipients:;  why is this?
How can I fix this, ive been playing with this a while and can find where its getting
this from. What do you need from me to help diagnose this? Thanks for any and
all help. Also do I have to tell squirrelmail that spamassassin is there or
will they “just work”. The only thing I did differently than in http://www.muine.org/~hoang/postfix_sa.html
is that i didnt make the .sh script, I decided to use the one that got
installed with spamassassin in rc2.d but I edited the
/etc/defaults/spamassassin file where it says OPTIONS=”-c” to read
now OPTIONS="-a -d -c -u filter -m 10" he just put that in a script, I
think this accomplishes the same thing.  I hope someone can help.

 

TIA

 

nick

 

 

 

 

 

Re: KDE 100% CPU usage - kio_thumbnail - Excel fault

[Joseph]

On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 23:21, Katipo wrote:
> Joseph wrote:
> 
> >When I open KDE folder I get almost 100% CPU usage.
> >And I think I know what is causing it. The program that is taking the
> >CPU usage is kio_thumbnail and the reason is the Excel file in a folder
> >(MS fault again :-/).
> >
> >Removing the MS Excel file solves the problem, CPU usage goes back to 1
> >or 2% usage.
> >
> >Did anybody run onto similar problem?
> >
> >  
> >
> Hello Joseph,
> 
> Just out of curiosity, what does your ppp0/pppoe log read for those busy 
> periods?
> Regards,
> 
> David.

Good question,
How do I find out (I'm still new to it).

Though, I can repeat the process every-time. Save Excel spreadsheet to a
folder, re-open the folder and after few 3 to 5 seconds CPU usage goes
to 98%
Deleting the Excel file solves the problem, CPU goes down to normal.

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Re: KDE 100% CPU usage - kio_thumbnail - Excel fault

[Katipo]

Joseph wrote:

When I open KDE folder I get almost 100% CPU usage.
And I think I know what is causing it. The program that is taking the
CPU usage is kio_thumbnail and the reason is the Excel file in a folder
(MS fault again :-/).
Removing the MS Excel file solves the problem, CPU usage goes back to 1
or 2% usage.
Did anybody run onto similar problem?

 

Hello Joseph,

Just out of curiosity, what does your ppp0/pppoe log read for those busy 
periods?
Regards,

David.

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KDE 100% CPU usage - kio_thumbnail - Excel fault

[Joseph]

When I open KDE folder I get almost 100% CPU usage.
And I think I know what is causing it. The program that is taking the
CPU usage is kio_thumbnail and the reason is the Excel file in a folder
(MS fault again :-/).

Removing the MS Excel file solves the problem, CPU usage goes back to 1
or 2% usage.

Did anybody run onto similar problem?

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auto run squid

[Umar Draz]

hi dear members
 
   i have woody! and i have configure squid through source not de/sbian package. installation is successfull. now i wnat squid run at boot time.
 
/usr/local/squid/sbin/squid (this command run squid deamon)
 
so plz tell me where i can put this line that my squid automaticall when my computer restart
 
thanks and regards
 
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Problem with udev and apcupsd

[Colin]

I was setting up udev with my 2.6.5 kernel and I managed to get almost 
everything working correctly.  The only problem that I had a bit of trouble 
with is my APC Back-UPS LS 500.  Every time I rebooted Debian I got this 
error message in my /var/log/apcupsd.events file:

Mon Apr 12 21:53:10 EDT 2004  apcupsd FATAL ERROR in linux-usb.c at line 686
Cannot open UPS device:
Mon Apr 12 21:53:10 EDT 2004  apcupsd error shutdown completed
I managed to fix the problem by adding the following line to my 
/etc/udev/links.conf file:

M hiddev0   c 180 96

This seems a little bit hackish to me and I was wondering if there is a 
better way to solve this problem.  I do have the "hid" entry in my 
/etc/modules file but this doesn't seem to fix the problem.

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Re: crontab and command expansion problem

[D. Clarke]

Isaac Claymore wrote:

WEEK_DAY=`date +\%A`
30 23 * * * mount /backup && mysqldump --password=FOOBAR --all-databases > 
/backup/alldb-${WEEK_DAY}.sql; umount /backup
It's been working on RH system, but the Debian cron keeps refusing to do command
expansion on WEEK_DAY, i.e. the script produces a file named: alldb-`date +\%A`.sql
Any hint?
 

A little on the simple-minded side, but have you considered just not
using the variable?  I have a cron job that does
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and it has never given me any trouble.
   

Thanks, but I've got multiple crontab entries that use `date +\%A`, so it looks
better to me to assign it to a variable.
 

I would probably take your backup sequence and make a script in /etc/cron.daily

It would give you much more flexability for what you want to do.

~ Darryl

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keybindings

[Daniel Asarnow]

Hi all.
Thanks again to everyone who helped me with my
forcedeth and modversions.h not found problems a ways
back.

My keyboard is a little messed up.  There is no / and
? key.  What happened was that the key was acting
strangely and so I removed it.  The little rubber
nipple under the key was flipped.  I tried to flip it
over but eventually it just ripped.  Now, that key has
no button over it and I use the / on my keypad and
copy/paste ?s.  When I boot the computer, there is a
string of beeps caused by the no-longer-extant slash
key entering itself until I press any key.  What I
would like to do is remap the keys so that my now
useless windoze logo key functions as a / and ? key. 
I'm not sure how to do this, and have only been able
to find information on remapping keys in emacs, which
I don't use (and ?s are useful in things other than
text editors).
Thanks in advance,
Daniel Asarnow

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[dircha]

Kevin Ruml wrote:
This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather than 
"stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest releases, 
comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable" isn't renamed to something 
else to dispel the stigma the name gives?  Not necessarily "desktop", but 
there has to be something better than "unstable".  I've been using Sid on my 
desktop system for years with only a couple glitches over that time period 
(requiring not "apt-get update"ing for a few days 'til it sorted itself out).  
I'm sure there are a number of suggestions forthcoming - "latest" maybe.
Have you never had broken packages installed while tracking unstable? I 
certainly have. And I include in this both applications with critical 
errors and broken packages.

This situation would be unacceptable for a user who is not well versed 
in Debian and its packaging system.

On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with recommending testing to a 
new Debian user.

I would recommend using packages from unstable only on the following 
conditions:
- apt-pinning is setup and explained
- the user is shown how to check for severe errors at upgrade/install time

Something else it occurs to me be useful is an automated way to consider 
for install/upgrade only unstable packages which have been in the 
repository for 2 days. Most of my problems have been cases where I have 
happened to have upgraded before the severe error has been reported 
against the package.

This would in effect create a "virtual" repository for the user which 
would be a midpoint between unstable and testing.

dircha

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Re: When a release is "ready." (was Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.)

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Chris Metzler wrote:

> One thing that I've never understood, and haven't figured out by
> reading the Debian Reference or by osmosis from posts here (probably
> the Debian Developer documents is where I *should* look) is how the
> "goals" for a release are determined and communicated to anyone
> interested.
>

If you find out can you let me know?

I propose the Debian distributions be renamed to

oozing
settling
congealed

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aptitude hosed X

[Christian Schnobrich]

Hello,

the current problem first: somehow I managed that X wouldn't start
anymore (long story below). 
I spent the evening tracing and fixing several issues. There's no more
(EE)rrors left in the output, but X still doesn't work. One line says:
(II) Loading sub module "fb" -- does "fb" mean framebuffer?
When I originally set up X on my box, it wouldn't run until I ran
dpkg-reconfigure and turned off the framebuffer. It's still turned off,
and I can't see any mention of anything fb in XF86Config-4 -- so I don't
know how I could disable this and just see what happens.

The longer story:
Last afternoon I went to fetch a single package (mt-st) when aptitude
notified me that several packages were due for uninstall as nothing
depends on them anymore.
While I was a little astonished why this happened without me having
uninstalled any package recently, I nonetheless gladly took the offer.
As far as the package names made any sense to me at all, it was stuff I
never wanted.

Next thing I know, X becomes dead slow. I was able to leave gracefully,
but saving the open mail message in evolution took some minutes... all
attempts to fix and restart X have since failed.
Apparently at least one of the packages whose names told me nothing was
vital, and I should not have allowed removal.

Trying to fix things, I found some odds&ends regarding DRI, and xfs was
not installed. For all I know, both could have been the case for quite
some time: DRI is not necessary, and there were enough font paths to
work without xfs.
One thing still open is the configured/generic mouse -- debconf insists
on writing both devices to the config, although the "generic mouse" will
fail to work -- but it was like that even before the trouble started.

I'm writing this from a half-configured sarge install I did months ago;
I have evolution installed but not openoffice, and don't dare to update
this system for fear of wrecking it as well. Anything that will give me
my old system back will be great.

cu,
Schnobs





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re:Another ALSA post

[users]

OK, I have figured a little more out.  Damn, I wish I had taken a
course on this in college or something, it's tough to learn on your
own.  Thanks for your help


THe kernel source would naturally be 2.4.18, not as I thought
2.4.28-bf2.4.

I have since found how to apt-get and install a different kernel image
other than bf2.4, and was running one with SMP and optimized for
686.

However, my goofey attempts at making the alsa module and a custom
kernel really made the compiler wacky, and I foresee another
reinstall in my future, unless I can figure out how to reset
everything -- for example, I apt-get remove'd the alsa-source, then
reinstalled, but debconf didn't pop up, and as far as my kernel is
concerned there is nothing to configure.

I am not learning by leaps and bounds but rather dribbles.

Again, thanks for the help, it would be a lost effort without some
aid...in a few days I think I may have it!

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Re: crontab and command expansion problem

[Isaac Claymore]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 09:57:18AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 10:34:06AM +0800, Isaac Claymore wrote:
> > WEEK_DAY=`date +\%A`
> > 30 23 * * * mount /backup && mysqldump --password=FOOBAR --all-databases > 
> > /backup/alldb-${WEEK_DAY}.sql; umount /backup
> > 
> > It's been working on RH system, but the Debian cron keeps refusing to do command
> > expansion on WEEK_DAY, i.e. the script produces a file named: alldb-`date +\%A`.sql
> > 
> > Any hint?
> 
> A little on the simple-minded side, but have you considered just not
> using the variable?  I have a cron job that does
> 
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> and it has never given me any trouble.

Thanks, but I've got multiple crontab entries that use `date +\%A`, so it looks
better to me to assign it to a variable.

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Re: kernel upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 fail

[Aurel]

Hi all,

I have a problem mounting the memory stick of my Sony CLie SJ 33.
It worked with all my 2.2.x and 2.4.x kernels but since I upgraded a 
week ago to 2.6.4 I can't mount it anymore however I can sync using 
pilot-link/jpilot.

Here's what I got:

LinuxBox:/home/cesar# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ms/ -t vfat
mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
LinuxBox:/home/cesar# tail /var/log/messages
Apr 13 03:41:08 LinuxBox kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
Apr 13 03:41:08 LinuxBox kernel: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass 
Storage devices
Apr 13 03:41:08 LinuxBox kernel: drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new 
driver usb-storage
Apr 13 03:41:08 LinuxBox kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Apr 13 03:41:08 LinuxBox usb.agent[10410]:  usb-storage: loaded 
sucessfully
Apr 13 03:49:56 LinuxBox usb.agent[10519]: Bad USB agent invocation, no 
action
Apr 13 03:54:31 LinuxBox kernel: usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 6
Apr 13 03:54:40 LinuxBox kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device 
using address 7
Apr 13 03:54:40 LinuxBox kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass 
Storage devices
Apr 13 03:54:41 LinuxBox usb.agent[10587]:  usb-storage: already loaded

LinuxBox:/home/cesar# lsmod | grep usb
usb_storage26144  0
usbserial  26608  1 visor
usbmouse4288  0
usbcore89788  8 
usb_storage,visor,usbserial,usbmouse,hid,uhci_hcd

If someone understands :(

Thanks

Aurel

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Re: networking problem with 2.6.4 kernel [was: Re: 2.6.4 kernel install wants to remove current kernel]

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 06:26:33PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
| on Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:08:28PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson insinuated:
| > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:19:06PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
| > | on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:42:06PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson insinuated:
| > [...] 
| > | > I haven't noticed any changes in networking, but that might be
| > | > dependent on the hardware and what modules I already had configured
| > | > to be loaded.
| > | 
| > | the network error i get when i try to reconfigure my network
| > | interfaces is below:
| > | 
| > | Reconfiguring network interfaces:
| > 
| > | cat: /var/run/dhclient.pid: No such file or directory
| > 
| > This message results from trying to stop dhclient while it isn't
| > running.  No harm done.
| 
| yeah, looked pretty innocuous ...
| 
| > | Unrecognized kernel version
| > 
| > This I've never seen before.
| 
| :-P
| 
| > | done.
| > | 
| > | i can tell that _something's_ not recognizing my kernel version, but
| > | what is it?  i probably just need to grab a newer package of
| > | something, but what?
| > 
| > What is your network card?
| 
| 02:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX [Fast
| Etherlink] (rev 78)

Pretty normal.

| > What driver did you use with the 2.4 kernel?
| 
| i put in the 3c59x module for it.  the same one exists with the 2.6
| kernel ... is this what you mean?  never been good with hardware
| configuration.

Yes, that's what I mean.

| > What does 'ifconfig -a' report?  (is eth0 listed there?)
| 
| with the 2.4 kernel, yes (clearly -- i'm writing from that :).
| with the 2.6, also yes, but not configured:
| 
| eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:06:5B:5F:A0:30  
|   BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
|   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
|   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
|   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
|   RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
|   Interrupt:18 Base address:0xdc80 

This looks good.


I thought that perhaps you had some odd NIC with a vendor-supplied
binary-only driver.  However, a basic 3Com should be fine.  The above
from 'ifconfig -a' shows that the kernel does recognize the hardware.

| > What version of the dhcp-client package do you have installed?
| 
| 2.0pl5-11

That's the one from woody.  If you don't mind running a newer system,
then I'd try the version from sarge or the 'dhcp3-client' package.  I
don't remember exactly, but I think I upgraded to dhcp3-client before
I upgraded to kernel 2.6.  It is conceivable that dhclient is somewhat
tied to the kernel version.

One way to try and isolate the error message would be to run dhclient
directly (not though the ifup wrapper).  Another possibility is to run
ifup via strace: 'strace -f ifup eth0'.  Find that error message in
the output, then scroll back and see what generated it and what that
program did before printing that message.  (note that some familiarity
with C and the POSIX APIs is necessary to really make sense of
strace's output)

| a friend of mine heard i was installing the 2.6 kernel, and he said
| "bad idea."  i asked why, and he mentioned bad driver support -- maybe
| he means my ethernet card :-P

I would not be surprised if the vendor-supplied binary-only driver
support lags a bit.  Kernel 2.6 reorganized the module system (hence
the modutils -> module-init-tools change).  The drivers in linus'
kernel tree changed accordingly, I expect, but commercial vendors may
not have caught up yet.

Let's see ... yes, one of the machines I adminster has a 3c905B NIC
(3c59x module) and it has had no problem with kernel 2.6 and
dhcp3-client.  Another machine uses the 3c509 module, and it too has
worked fine.

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kernel upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 fail

[Kevin Coyner]

I'm currently running unstable on a 2.4.20 kernel and just tried to
upgrade to the 2.6 kernel by running:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686

and I get the following error:

Do you want to stop now? [Y/n]n
Setting up kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 (2.6.5-1) ...
/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed
FATAL: Module usb_storage_0 not found.
Failed to create initrd image.
dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


As you can see, it failed with an error about modprobe and
usb_storage_0.  I'm not sure where to proceed with this, and would
appreciate any tips.

Note that I have the following installed:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# lsmod |grep usb
usb-storage54204   0 
usbmouse1788   0  (unused)
usb-uhci   20908   0  (unused)
usbcore55424   1  [printer usb-storage hid usbmouse
usb-uhci wacom]
input   3296   0  [mousedev evdev hid usbmouse wacom]
scsi_mod   87528   6  (autoclean) [sg sr_mod ide-scsi
usb-storage sd_mod megaraid]

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Kevin

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Re: Apt error

[Travis Crump]

Tomy Alarie wrote:
To the tune of a Sesame Street song: "One of these things is not like
the others!"
Look at your last line.  Notice how all the other lines have "stuff"
after the url.  Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to
figure out what the "stuff" after the url on that last line should be.
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Thanks ! ;) Great help ! No, really, do someone have any ideas ?

If you have no idea, try ' ./' at the end of the last line...


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When a release is "ready." (was Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.)

[Chris Metzler]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:04:33 -0400
"Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> How about shortening the release cycle so that "stable" is more
> up-to-date?  Let's solve the problem rather than the symptons.  :-).
> 
> (Note - this is not an invitation to begin a flamefest regarding why
> the release cycle is so long or to make suggestions regarding what
> other people can do to fix it.  Instead it is an invitation to first
> recognize the issue and second to help resolve it)

One thing that I've never understood, and haven't figured out by
reading the Debian Reference or by osmosis from posts here (probably
the Debian Developer documents is where I *should* look) is how the
"goals" for a release are determined and communicated to anyone
interested.

What I mean by "goals" can be illustrated by an absurd example.
Imagine that the day after sarge becomes stable, the testing
distribution is still exactly the same as sarge, except for a
revision update of some non-essential package (e.g. liferea or
frozen-bubble); that's all that's come down to testing.  This would
be a distro that could be released as stable; but it wouldn't be,
of course, because why issue another stable release when the only
difference is a slight change in some non-essential package?  I
know Debian's main threshhold for release is "when it's ready";
but the new release has to be sufficiantly different from the
immediately previous one.

So I would guess that there's some set of target properties that
testing should have before it gets frozen that gets decided upon,
e.g. "the next release must include a 2.4 kernel by default with a
2.6 kernel optional, the new installer, XF86 v4.3,  exim4, GNOME 2.2
or higher, etc."  Whatever else is true about testing, and even if
the release-critical bug count is zero, the release won't be made
until these changes in the distro have been effected, since otherwise
it isn't different enough or interesting enough to put out there as a
new stable release.  And I wonder how those goals are chosen, and
where one goes to find out what they are.  Probably an archive
search of debian-devel would do it; but a better-publicized source
(e.g. a page on the Debian website) might be a good idea.  If the
user community had a clear idea what the major issues for each new
release are, they'd know the particular packages/services to
concentrate on playing with and filing good bug reports about and
so on -- thus perhaps helping to speed up the release.

I know that a major focus of this release is the new installer, and
that right now that's the main thing people should focus on to help
the release get out.  But earlier, I dunno what else I should have
been installing and hammering on to help the release along.  I could
probably find it in debian-devel's archives; but maybe a page off
the Debian front page ("Minimal Goals for the Next Release") would
be a good idea.

I dunno.

-c

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Re: What can make MP#'s play at the wrong rate?

[stan]

On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 12:06:49PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:14:02 -0400
> stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 02:48:59PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> >>On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 12:04:43 -0400
> >>stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 11:38:16PM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:43:30 -0400
> stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 've swaped teh CPU on a Debina machien, and now my MP#'s play at
> > the wrong ptich, like a tpe played at a speed slower than it was
> > recorded.
> > 
> > Where do I need to look to troubleshoot/fix this isue?
>  
>  Are you sure it's just MP3s?  If you play back e.g. a .WAV (PCM
>  audio), does it also play back with the wrong speed?
>  
> >>> That seesm likely. I have not tried it, but my suspicion is thta the
> >>> problem is common to all DAC.
> >>> 
> >>> Given that, where should I strat looking?
> >> 
> >> Can you try it?  Maybe dload a .wav from somewhere on the web and
> >> play it and see what happens?  I'd hate to spend a lot of time
> >> thinking about it and then find out I was barking up the wrong
> >> tree.
> >
> > OK, I was able to confirm that a .wav filed played with the "play"
> > command also plays at the wrong tempo.
> > 
> > Where should I start looking for the problem?
> 
> I'm assuming that the .wav file you tried was one you fetched
> from some other machine -- that is, it wasn't created on your
> machine, from decoding an MP3 or something like that.

Correct, it came from another machine that I store my music files
on, and it plays fine over there.

> 
> OK, there are two possibilities that occur to me.
> 
> 
> Assuming that this is the problem, you might need to set the
> correct timings by hand, either through adjusting the appropriate
> BIOS settings manually, or by bypassing BIOS timing altogether
> and using jumpers/dipswitches on the board to set things properly.
> 
> Let us know . . .

Thanks.

I'll take a look at that, as it all seesm to make sense.


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Re: Symbolic links in /etc/alternatives not working as inten

[users]

Yes, it is installed.

> Bob Proulxwrote:
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> It looks correct, however, when I do a vi , vim is
> still launched instead of gvim.
> 
Did you install 'vim-gtk'?  I don't use vim myself (emacs user) but I
understand from others that you need vim-gtk in order to get the
graphical frontend.  Sorry but I did not try it myself.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Adam Aube penned:
> Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
>
>> Well, "more unstable than the stable distribution" takes a lot longer
>> to type and wouldn't fit on a CD volume label =P
>
> What about "current", then?
>

This would encourage people to use the unstable distribution, which by
definition isn't considered ready for prime time.  The truth is that
there are tradeoffs; a one-word name just isn't going to capture those
tradeoffs.  If anything, the right term for unstable might be "head" or
"tip" -- or would that be experimental?

But what do I know?  I'm just a random user.  It does seem to me that
we've had the name game a few times, and every time a dev has strongly
indicated that we should leave well enough alone.

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Re: Apt error

[Chris Metzler]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:55:06 +
"Tomy Alarie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> To the tune of a Sesame Street song: "One of these things is not like
> the others!"
> 
> Look at your last line.  Notice how all the other lines have "stuff"
> after the url.  Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to
> figure out what the "stuff" after the url on that last line should be.
> 
> --
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> 
> Thanks ! ;) Great help ! No, really, do someone have any ideas ?

Yes.  Re-read her reply and think about it some more.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Kevin Ruml penned:
> This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather
> than "stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest
> releases, comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable" isn't
> renamed to something else to dispel the stigma the name gives?  Not
> necessarily "desktop", but there has to be something better than
> "unstable".  I've been using Sid on my desktop system for years with
> only a couple glitches over that time period (requiring not "apt-get
> update"ing for a few days 'til it sorted itself out).  I'm sure there
> are a number of suggestions forthcoming - "latest" maybe.
>

I'm not sure I agree with your first point.  Is it really no more
unstable than the latest releases of other distros?  I haven't used
another distro in years, so I can't say that you're wrong, but I don't
know if you're right.

It seems to me that the real solution would be to somehow force would-be
debian admins to read a document describing, in excruciating detail, the
differences among versions.

This is a start:



... but it doesn't explain everything.  It does not, for example,
explain that there have not been substantive changes since whenever
Woody became stable ... and the specified release date of Nov. 2003 is
downright misleading.

It's frustrating to see users misunderstanding the characteristics of
stable, testing, and unstable, but when I think about it, this is
information I have acquired over time by reading this list -- it was not
intuitively obvious, nor something I gleaned from reading any debian
docs.

Is there something akin to a "Howto choose a debian distribution"
document somewhere on the debian site?  If not, this sounds like
something I could write.

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Re: OT- third hand was: Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Cybe R. Wizard penned:
>
> Yea, verily, I say unto you that on this date (Mon, 12 Apr 2004
> 14:57:40 -0600) "Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst
> appear within my Magick Viewing Screen and, being somewhat pleasantly
> supplicatory, did polemicize thusly:
>
>> On the third hand,
>
> Since the 1993 printing of Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's sequel to
> "The Mote In God's Eye," "The Gripping Hand," a tale of three armed
> aliens, that rather uncomfortable but often useful phrase, "on the
> third hand," has given way in lots of arenas to, "on the gripping
> hand." I know it's not Debian related, but, whatthehell, someone might
> be interested and begin using it.

I have read both.  I found the first interesting; the second
disappointing.

I've far exceeded my yearly OT quota, and it's only April, so if you are
interested in discussing the books further, feel free to email me
directly.

> Otherwise, if anyone is particularly offended by this post, either
> flame or bozofy me and I won't do it again.
>
> Cybe R. Wizard -maybe

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Re: udev: how to do it right?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:34:09AM -0700, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > hpd:/home/tony# ls /usr/local/bin/lsbus
> > ls: /usr/local/bin/lsbus: No such file or directory
> > hpd:/home/tony# ls /usr/local/bin/systool
> > ls: /usr/local/bin/systool: No such file or directory
> 
> Debian packages will never install stuff in /usr/local/bin.  If any
> documentation mentions /usr/local, then it's presumed that you have
> compiled by hand.  Otherwise, the binaries will always be in /usr/bin.
> 
> I looked through the documentation mentioned, and it makes some mistakes
> (mostly stuff that has been deprecated in never udev).
> 
> For instance, memorystick isn't necessary a scsi device. At my place,
> it's a USB device:
> 
>   Device = "3-1"
>   Device path = "/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1d.2/usb3/3-1"
> bConfigurationValue = "1"
> bDeviceClass= "00"
> bDeviceProtocol = "00"
> bDeviceSubClass = "00"
> bMaxPower   = "200mA"
> bNumConfigurations  = "1"
> bNumInterfaces  = " 1"
> bcdDevice   = "0140"
> bmAttributes= "c0"
> detach_state= "0"
> idProduct   = "0069"
> idVendor= "054c"
> manufacturer= "Sony"
> product = "USB Memory Stick Slot"
> speed   = "12"
> 
> The udev rule I would create for this would be
> BUS="usb", SYSFS{manufacturer}="Sony", SYSFS{product}="USB Memory Stick\ 
> Slot", NAME{all_partitions}="Memstick"
> 
> Note that the format has changed a little (the old format is deprecated,
> and was totally removed starting with version 023).
> 
> Also, note the {all_partitions} attribute in NAME. There was a problem
> with the node (ie memstick1) not beging created unless it is accessed,
> but it can't be accessed without being created.  So, the all_partitions
> attribute was created to statically create the nodes.
> 
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John, could you provide pointers to the documentation? I wan to
understand all this before asking more questions. I would like to know
how to identify my memstick in /sys for example.
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Re: Console Access

[Adam Aube]

Umar Draz wrote:

>  i have woody and is running perfect now i got Catalyst 2950 switch there
>  is option in swtich i can connect switch with its consol port.

> no i have use command line debian not graphicall.

Try gkermit or ckermit - both command-line variants of the kermit terminal
program.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Thomas Pomber]

Better yet, use Knoppix.   Or wait a couple days for
the new one.

http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-old-en.html

Easiest and best Debian available.

You're right, though.  It's like M$ trying to push 3.1
because it's so old all the bugs have finally been
worked out, and it's so "stable"...   Many people
would call that "obsolete."

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wrote: > I suggest you install sarge and immediately
> thereafter install kernel 2.6.5
> "Trollcollect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Hello list,
> >
> > after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of
> > debians woody release i need to vent a bit of the
> > anger and frustration that this distribution has
> > caused.
> >
> > I want to start with saying that i was a strong
> > advocate of debian compared to distributions such
> as
> > RedHat and SuSE. Being a UNIX admin professionally
> > (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system
> > pretty quick, and the packaging method was unique
> > among all linux deriatives i have seen. Also i
> used to
> > like debians approach of stability before
> > bleeding-edge stuff.
> >
> > However as i have to install a small network now
> (7
> > WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> > assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts
> to
> > get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> > What i got after installation was
> > - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> > - a KDE 2.0
> > overall totally outdated and useless versions of
> > libraries and software.
> >
> > I then tried to figure out how to update those
> > packages i need in recent versions. As i know KDE
> from
> > Solaris, i trust enough in their own QA procedure
> to
> > consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> > debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even
> usable
> > at all, is beyond my understanding.
> >
> > However it turned out that i could not update only
> > selected packages easily. In fact neither of
> dselect
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> >
> > Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is
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> > compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to
> > build it all by hand but then, without the
> packaging
> > system what good is debian?
> >
> > I hope that whoever is responsible for the
> direction
> > debian is steering to currently thinks about the
> > target of the whole distribution, which is to
> provide
> > users with a decent linux system that comes
> stable,
> > yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive
> among
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Re: Apt error

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Look at your last line.  Notice how all the other lines have "stuff"
after the url.  Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to
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Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Antony Gelberg]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 06:04:33PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 04:39:22PM -0500, Kevin Ruml wrote:
> | This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather than 
> | "stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest releases, 
> | comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable" isn't renamed to something 
> | else to dispel the stigma the name gives?
> 
> How about shortening the release cycle so that "stable" is more
> up-to-date?  Let's solve the problem rather than the symptons.  :-).
> 
> (Note - this is not an invitation to begin a flamefest regarding why
> the release cycle is so long or to make suggestions regarding what
> other people can do to fix it.  Instead it is an invitation to first
> recognize the issue and second to help resolve it)

I think the issue is recognised.  But due to the nature of the beast
nothing can change, so there's no point discussing it.

Personally I don't see what the big deal is.  I am yet another happy
long-time unstable user.  It's not as if it upgrades packages without
the user instigating the upgrade.  So once the user has a stable
unstable system , stability can be kept by not upgrading.

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Re: Another ALSA post

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 12:28:16AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am using Woody.
> 
> I read the documentation, and I see where I am not communicating
> properly.
> 
> It states"
--snip--
> There is the problem.  I do NOT have a kernel source tree.  I feel
> like I am whining now, heh...
--snip-- 
> Any one have ideas?  I can only assume someone with the same install
> (it's the base install with bf24 option) has the same scenario,, and
> has maybe found a workaround

I'm not sure which documentation you're reading here. If you take a
look at /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz, it'll have
directions on how to set up the drivers 3 different ways. Using
make-kpkg along with a custom compiled kernel, using the debian build
scrips, and the hard way. :) What you want is to use the debian build
scripts. Once you install the appropriate headers package, it's just a
matter of going into the alsa directory and doing something along the
lines of 'debian/rules binary' and you're done. The documentation will
have more exact instructions of course.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Console Access

[Adam Aube]

Katipo wrote:

>>   i have woody and is running perfect now i got Catalyst 2950 switch

> I am not all that familiar with the kind of hardware you are talking
> about, but with Linux hardware, always check first, or it can cost you

It's a managed Ethernet switch made by Cisco. I don't think Linux
compatibility will be a problem.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Adam Aube]

Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

> Well, "more unstable than the stable distribution" takes a lot longer to
> type and wouldn't fit on a CD volume label =P

What about "current", then?

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OT- third hand was: Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Yea, verily, I say unto you that on this date (Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:57:40
-0600) "Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst appear within
my Magick Viewing Screen and, being somewhat pleasantly supplicatory,
did polemicize thusly:

> On the third hand,

Since the 1993 printing of Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's sequel to
"The Mote In God's Eye," "The Gripping Hand," a tale of three armed
aliens, that rather uncomfortable but often useful phrase, "on the third
hand," has given way in lots of arenas to, "on the gripping hand."
I know it's not Debian related, but, whatthehell, someone might be
interested and begin using it.

Otherwise, if anyone is particularly offended by this post, either flame
or bozofy me and I won't do it again.

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re:Another ALSA post

[users]

I am using Woody.

I read the documentation, and I see where I am not communicating
properly.

It states"
 2)   Go to the the base of the kernel source tree (usually
  the /usr/src/linux directory).  If you are building a kernel
that
  is custom configured to your specifications, go ahead and
  configure the kernel with `make config,' `make menuconfig,'
or
  `make xconfig.'"

There is the problem.  I do NOT have a kernel source tree.  I feel
like I am whining now, heh...

I can't find one for 2.4.18-bf2.4.  I will look at debconf again, but
at this point I doubt I will get this working until the next Debian
release.

Any one have ideas?  I can only assume someone with the same install
(it's the base install with bf24 option) has the same scenario,, and
has maybe found a workaround

Thanks.

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Re: Another ALSA post

[Colin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do I get alsa working using my current kernel?  Surely there is
someone out there that has a working version with my same kernel;  I
assume I need the kernel source for 2.4.18-bf2.4?  Where can I even
get it?
When I used the 2.4 kernel, I downloaded the source from the ALSA project 
web page and compiled it myself (and use the --with-kernel option).  I also 
installed the alsa-utils and GUI mixer packages to unmute the sound.

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Re: networking problem with 2.6.4 kernel [was: Re: 2.6.4 kernel install wants to remove current kernel]

[J F]

Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:11:24PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> | on Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:02:06PM -0400, J F insinuated:
> | > I don't have a specific answer to your problem,
> | > but using aptitude seems to ease upgrade problems.
> | > Also, having testing, unstable, and stable all in
> | > /etc/apt/sources.list seems to get aptitude
> | > to converge on a working solution.
> | 
> | yeah, i do have all of them in there.  i'm relatively new to aptitude,
> | and have never been a convert, specifically because every time i try
> | to install any one thing with it, it wants to upgrade the rest of my
> | system and install at least 50 new packages.
> 
> Big picture :
> apt normally prefers the version of a package with the biggest number
> aptitude in woody defaults to 'Aptitude::Auto-Upgrade "true"'
> 
> As a result, when you have woody installed, have sarge (and/or sid) in
> apt's sources list, and you run aptitude, then aptitude wants to
> upgrade your system to sarge (and/or sid).
> 
> I assume, from your comments, that you don't want that.  There are
> several factors at play here and you can choose what specific
> semantics you want.  I'll explain by telling about my system.
> 
> I generally follow sarge, but not infrequently install packages from
> sid.  I like to see what version is in what release with 'apt-cache
> policy'.  Sometimes I don't want to upgrade all upgradeable packages
> when I run aptitude in "gui" mode.  As a result I have the following
> setup :
> 1)  woody, sarge, sid all listed in apt's source list
> 2)  sarge preferred, followed by the installed version, followed
> by woody, and never prefer sid specified in /etc/apt/prefereces.
> 3)  aptitude version from sarge, with 'Aptitude::Auto-Upgrade "false"'
> (default in that version)
> 
> I recommend using the aptitude in sarge over the one in woody because
> it works correctly (usefully/conveniently) with Auto-Upgrade set to
> false.  (the woody version changes the 'auto' flag to 'manual' when
> choosing to upgrade a package unless Auto-Upgrade chose to upgrade it)
> 
> Also take a look at documentation regarding apt's preferences files.
> 
> | i probably don't have it
> | synched with something or other -- probably related to the error i see
> | whenever i start it up:
> | 
> | Apt errors
> | W: Can't open Aptitude extended status file
> 
> I've never seen this message (that I recall).  My first guess, though,
> is that you ran aptitude as a non-root user and as a result didn't
> have permission to create /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.
> 
> HTH,
> -D

Also, you can press F10 to bring up the menu
and press "right cursor move" ("->") twice to highlight
OPtions and then "down cursor move" key to highlight
Miscellaneous  and press spacebar on 
to remove [X] before phrase:
"Automatically upgrade install Packages" .
You can then search for the broken package by
typing:
/konqueror
which would find the konqueror package.
Type "carriage return" to see the things that
it depends on or conflicts with.
Type "?" for help.
Type "+" to upgrade or '=" to hold
at the current version of a package.


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Re: filtering postmaster copy

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Emma Jane Hogbin:
> 
> I would like to filter some of my mail server-side so that I don't receive
> the postmaster copy of "undelievered" messages for some of my domain
> names. I've added the following rule to emmajane's account, but it doesn't
> seem to be /dev/nulling the email.
> 
> :0B:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown user: 

You might try sticking a null list at the beginning, and it's always
wise to escape special chars:

* ()[EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown user:

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filtering postmaster copy

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

Hi,

I would like to filter some of my mail server-side so that I don't receive
the postmaster copy of "undelievered" messages for some of my domain
names. I've added the following rule to emmajane's account, but it doesn't
seem to be /dev/nulling the email.

:0B:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown user: 
/dev/null

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Re: PAM ldap login on woody

[Bob Schlärmann]

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:26:43 -0700
Carlos Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I am trying to use pam_ldap for logins from the console and ssh.  I
> have installed both libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap.  libnss-ldap is
> working as expected.  And libpam-ldap seems close.

> sessionrequired   pam_unix.so
> sessionrequired   pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=0022
> sessionoptional   pam_lastlog.so
> sessionoptional   pam_motd.so
> sessionoptional   pam_mail.so standard noenv

Unless i miss something, why didn't you specify an ldap rule here too,
like:

session  sufficient   pam_ldap.so


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Re: networking problem with 2.6.4 kernel [was: Re: 2.6.4 kernel install wants to remove current kernel]

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:08:28PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson insinuated:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:19:06PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> | on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:42:06PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson insinuated:
> [...] 
> | > I haven't noticed any changes in networking, but that might be
> | > dependent on the hardware and what modules I already had configured
> | > to be loaded.
> | 
> | the network error i get when i try to reconfigure my network
> | interfaces is below:
> | 
> | Reconfiguring network interfaces:
> 
> | cat: /var/run/dhclient.pid: No such file or directory
> 
> This message results from trying to stop dhclient while it isn't
> running.  No harm done.

yeah, looked pretty innocuous ...

> | Unrecognized kernel version
> 
> This I've never seen before.

:-P

> | done.
> | 
> | i can tell that _something's_ not recognizing my kernel version, but
> | what is it?  i probably just need to grab a newer package of
> | something, but what?
> 
> What is your network card?

02:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX [Fast
Etherlink] (rev 78)

> What driver did you use with the 2.4 kernel?

i put in the 3c59x module for it.  the same one exists with the 2.6
kernel ... is this what you mean?  never been good with hardware
configuration.

> What does 'ifconfig -a' report?  (is eth0 listed there?)

with the 2.4 kernel, yes (clearly -- i'm writing from that :).
with the 2.6, also yes, but not configured:

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:06:5B:5F:A0:30  
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
  Interrupt:18 Base address:0xdc80 

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:840 (840.0 b)  TX bytes:840 (840.0 b)

> What version of the dhcp-client package do you have installed?

2.0pl5-11

a friend of mine heard i was installing the 2.6 kernel, and he said
"bad idea."  i asked why, and he mentioned bad driver support -- maybe
he means my ethernet card :-P

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Re: Spamassasin on Woody - standard install using spamc fails??

[Peter Sebastian Masny]

Peter Sebastian Masny wrote:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=231082

Hrmph.  Old spamassassin incompatible with new perl in stable.

Using the proposed-update spamassassin (woody4) did not fix the problem. 
 Probably have to use testing version, which means testing for a bunch 
of libraries... sigh.

Peter

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Re: [OT] procmail rule to remove annoying unsubscribe/subscribe emails

[S.D.A.]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 06:12:10AM +0800 or thereabouts, Katipo wrote:

> Not exactly the same thing, but as there are a lot of Mutt users on this 
> list, I thought I would drop this off:-
> 
> http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/patches/

Thanks David, added to my mutt bookmarks.

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Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 04:39:22PM -0500, Kevin Ruml wrote:
| This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather than 
| "stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest releases, 
| comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable" isn't renamed to something 
| else to dispel the stigma the name gives?

How about shortening the release cycle so that "stable" is more
up-to-date?  Let's solve the problem rather than the symptons.  :-).

(Note - this is not an invitation to begin a flamefest regarding why
the release cycle is so long or to make suggestions regarding what
other people can do to fix it.  Instead it is an invitation to first
recognize the issue and second to help resolve it)

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Re: Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Kevin Ruml]

This topic/suggestion that desktop users should use "unstable" rather than 
"stable", since it's no more unstable than other distros latest releases, 
comes up regularly.  What is the reason "unstable" isn't renamed to something 
else to dispel the stigma the name gives?  Not necessarily "desktop", but 
there has to be something better than "unstable".  I've been using Sid on my 
desktop system for years with only a couple glitches over that time period 
(requiring not "apt-get update"ing for a few days 'til it sorted itself out).  
I'm sure there are a number of suggestions forthcoming - "latest" maybe.

P.S.  Don't CC me, I read the list.

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Re: Spamassasin on Woody - standard install using spamc fails??

[Peter Sebastian Masny]

On a further note,

zmore /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/sample-spam.txt.gz | spamassassin -P


Does work, but it takes about 15 sec.

Peter

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Katipo]

Trollcollect wrote:

Hello list,

However as i have to install a small network now (7
WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
What i got after installation was 
- a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
- a KDE 2.0
overall totally outdated and useless versions of
libraries and software.

 

Wrong image.
Both translations apply.
Try asking instead of attacking.
You come across as more of a troll than a collector.
Regards,
David

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Re: Spamassasin on Woody - standard install using spamc fails??

[Peter Sebastian Masny]

Bojan Baros wrote:
> Peter Sebastian Masny said:
>>Anyone have an idea what is going on?
>>
>>Peter
>>
>
>
> Hello Peter.
>
> If you want to add spamassassin to all users I suggest you do this in
> /etc/procmailrc:
>
> :0fw
> | /usr/bin/spamc -f -u $1
>
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Bojan
This does not really help.  I don't want to run a system wide 
spamassassin for all users.  Also, the -f optin is enabled by deafult 
(according to the man page), nor will it help anyway since spamc does 
seem to be able to connect.

The problem still stands that spamc and spamassassin gets stuck.  Again, 
this is a right out of the box standard install, and I am surprised that 
it does not work, nor do I really know how to troubleshoot it.

Thanks for your response though,

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Re: [OT] procmail rule to remove annoying unsubscribe/subscribe emails

[Katipo]

Sven Hoexter wrote:

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 11:14:27AM -0400, Allan Wind wrote:
 

On 2004-04-12T16:06:06+0100, Michael Graham wrote:
   

I was wondering if anyone had written a procmail rule to filter out
emails with the subject unsubscribe or subscribe which have been sent to
the debian-* lists. Preferably messages like mine will still be seen
i.e. ones that have other words not just subscribe.
 

This is what I use:

:0
* ^Subject: (un)?subscribe
* ! ^TO_: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
$TRASH
   

:0
* 
^Subject:.(unsubscribe|UNSUBSCRIBE|unsubscrive|unscribe|unsuscribe|subscrib|SUBSCRIBE|unsubscribe!!!|\"unsubscribe\")
/dev/null
:0
* ^Subject:.(Test|test|TEST|tset)
/dev/null
All the forms I catched so far.

 

Not exactly the same thing, but as there are a lot of Mutt users on this 
list, I thought I would drop this off:-

http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/patches/

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Bob Proulx]

Pigeon wrote:
> enter "bf24" at the "boot:" prompt from the installation CD to get a
> 2.4.18 kernel with ext3 support
> or
> upgrade your kernel once you've installed it

Good advice.

> > - a KDE 2.0
> 
> add to /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2.1/Debian stable main

Again good advice.  The above is what I do and recommend as well.

Except I use 3.2 in the place of 3.2.1 since 3.2.1 from kde.org is an
illusion.  Note that 3.2.1 is a symlink to 3.2.0 and so this might
confuse someone expecting 3.2.1 but getting 3.2.0 packages.  I have
complained about this to the ftp site maintainer.  It would be better
if the symlink did not exist since no 3.2.1 backport exists at the
moment.

Conversation with folks over to kde.org says they are behind and will
likely skip 3.2.1 entirely and produce a backport of 3.2.2 as a way of
catching up.

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Re: libphp4.so not found

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Charlie Wu penned:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
> --_=_NextPart_001_01C420D0.DFD22396 Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Hi I just installed php on my debian hoping to serve php pages thru =
> apache (1.3).. however after I uncommented the "AddType" line and =
> restarted apache it's still not working.  I've googled lots of pages
> and they all seem to point to a missing = libphp4.so under
> /usr/lib/apache/1.3, I checked there and alas, it's = indeed missing!
>
> Went to www.debian.org but can't seem to find a downloadable copy. Can
> = someone kindly send me a copy of this file?
>
> Thanks
>
> Charlie
>
> p.s. my system info:
>
> Linux svinfoex.com 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686
> = unknown
>

Did you install the php4 package?

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MailScanner 4.29.7-1 and MCP

[Matt Krause]

MCP is no longer working. They only thing I have really changed is I
upgraded from testing 4.28.6-1 to unstable 4.29.7-1 this morning. Not
sure if they are related or not. I kept all of my config files when
asked.  /var/log/mail.log says it calls MCP, but never finds any of the
banned text in /etc/MailScanner/mcp/mcp.cf.  Anyone else had issues with
the new unstable MailScanner and MCP checking?  Thanks.

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Re: libphp4.so not found

[Charlie Wu]

Title: libphp4.so not found



 
Used dselect to 
install php4-cgi and it showed up. please disregared my 
email

  -Original Message-From: Charlie Wu Sent: 
  Monday, April 12, 2004 1:58 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: libphp4.so not 
  found
  Hi I just installed php on my debian hoping to 
  serve php pages thru apache (1.3).. however after I uncommented the "AddType" 
  line and restarted apache it's still not working.
  I've googled lots of pages and they all seem to 
  point to a missing libphp4.so under /usr/lib/apache/1.3, I checked there and 
  alas, it's indeed missing!
  Went to www.debian.org but can't seem to find a 
  downloadable copy. Can someone kindly send me a copy of this file? 
  Thanks 
  Charlie 
  p.s. my system info: 
  Linux svinfoex.com 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 
  12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown 

Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Cybe R. Wizard penned:
>
> Well said, as was the rest of your post.  

Thank you =)

> I would just like to add (since no one else has(which I can barely
> believe)) that the 'unstable' version is decidedly /stable/ for
> desktop/workstation use.  I (no Linux guru) have had uptimes of 60+
> days and only that little because of electrical outages.  The version
> names are somewhat misleading, therefore, because 'unstable' is quite
> as stable as some other distro's newest and best.

Well, "more unstable than the stable distribution" takes a lot longer to
type and wouldn't fit on a CD volume label =P

I am of mixed opinions about recommending stable vs. unstable.  I
generally feel that unstable administration is best left to those who
have a pretty good sense of how the debian system works; on the other
hand, those who are new to the debian system are more likely to stick
around if they have access to the latest and greatest, and stable just
can't do that.  On the third hand, expecting novice debian users to
configure apt pinning on a stable system seems a bit much -- I myself
only learned about pinning a few months ago, and I'm sure I don't know
the half of it!

If you really wanted to toy with names, perhaps "change-averse" and
"change-friendly" would be more appropriate monikers for these
distributions, with testing being renamed "developer_playground" or
something.

> Cybe R. Wizard 
> -of course, YMMV and you get to keep both pieces if it /does/ break

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Re: Spamassasin on Woody - standard install using spamc fails??

[Bojan Baros]

Peter Sebastian Masny said:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a working woody mailserver with postfix and procmail
>
> I wanted to try spamassassin tagging and did the following:
>
> apt-get install spamassassin librazor-perl
> enable spamd in /etc/default/spamassassin
> /etc/init.d/spamassasin restart
>
> then in my user .procmailrc I added
>
> :0fw
> |/usr/bin/spamc
>
>
> However, spamc gets stuck.  The promail log reads:
>
>  > procmail: [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:06:56 2004
>  > procmail: Executing "/usr/bin/spamc"
>
> and no more.  About 15 minutes later the following is added to the
> procmail log
>
>  > [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:22:56 2004
>  > procmail: Timeout, terminating "/usr/bin/spamc"
>  > procmail: [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:22:56 2004
>  > procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
>
> after which procmail proceeds normally
>
> The only thing in the syslog is:
>
>> Apr 12 13:29:23 fsh5 spamd[22065]: server killed by SIGTERM,
>> shutting down
>> Apr 12 13:29:23 fsh5 spamd[22514]: server killed by SIGTERM,
>> shutting down
>> Apr 12 13:29:40 fsh5 spamd[22664]: server started on port 783
>
> Anyone have an idea what is going on?
>
> Peter
>

Hello Peter.

If you want to add spamassassin to all users I suggest you do this in
/etc/procmailrc:

:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamc -f -u $1


Hope it helps.

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libphp4.so not found

[Charlie Wu]

Title: libphp4.so not found






Hi I just installed php on my debian hoping to serve php pages thru apache (1.3).. however after I uncommented the "AddType" line and restarted apache it's still not working.

I've googled lots of pages and they all seem to point to a missing libphp4.so under /usr/lib/apache/1.3, I checked there and alas, it's indeed missing!

Went to www.debian.org but can't seem to find a downloadable copy. Can someone kindly send me a copy of this file?


Thanks


Charlie


p.s. my system info:


Linux svinfoex.com 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown

Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Cheryl Homiak]

If you want more current packages, you might consider upgrading to testing
or even unstable. especially in unstable, things sometimes do break, but
you could take a look and see if more of what you want is in one of these
distributions and decide whether you want to upgrade your whole system or
just add what you need.


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Re: Cisco vpnclient with kernel 2.6.4

[Mark Roach]

On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 16:19 +0800, Gokul Poduval wrote:

> Hello,
>I am using sid, and the cisco vpnclient works for me with 2.4.25. 
> however with 2.6.4, the module is able to compile, and i can negotiate 
> the connection succesfully. however, i cannot surf the web after that. 
> has anybody managed to get vpnclient working with any 2.6 series kernel
> 
>   ( i could have tried vpnc, but the network has a group password, which 
> i only have in scrambled form :( )

It didn't work for me for kernel versions past 2.6.1. It works fine on
that version though.

-Mark


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Re: kernel 2.6 and memtester

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.04.12.1611 +0200]:
> Try turning APIC off.  It's in the archives - nForce chipsets have
> issues with APIC.

Per your request, I compiled a new kernel without APIC/IOAPIC
(realising only afterwards that I could have used kernel
parameters...).

However, the result is still the same:

  embryo:~# memtest all [224]
  memtest v. 2.93.1
  (C) 2000 Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Original v.1 (C) 1999 Simon Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Current limits:
RLIMIT_RSS  0x
RLIMIT_VMEM 0x
  Raising limits...
  Unable to malloc 4293918720 bytes.
  [...]
  Allocated 753926144 bytes...trying mlock...

  --> hard lockup

Yesterday, during random checking from within a 2.4.25-1-k7 boot,
I found 3 bad blocks in the swap space. So I turned the swap space
off. Without swap, the memtest in a custom 2.6.5 kernel looks like
so:

  embryo:~# memtest all | less
  memtest v. 2.93.1
  (C) 2000 Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Original v.1 (C) 1999 Simon Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  Current limits:
RLIMIT_RSS  0x
RLIMIT_VMEM 0x
  Raising limits...
  Unable to malloc 4293918720 bytes.
  [...]
  Unable to malloc 246415360 bytes.
  Allocated 245366784 bytes...trying mlock...
  Received signal 15 (Terminated)
  munlock'ed memory.
  4294967295 runs completed.  0 errors detected.  Total runtime:  1081804768 seconds.

  Exiting...

  And kern.log will report this:

  Out of Memory: Killed process 562 (memtest).
  memtest: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0xd2
  Call Trace:
  [] __alloc_pages+0x2eb/0x330
  [] do_anonymous_page+0x6e/0x1a0
  [] do_no_page+0x61/0x2c0
  [] handle_mm_fault+0xd5/0x140
  [] get_user_pages+0xaa/0x2b0
  [] make_pages_present+0x8c/0xb0
  [] mlock_fixup+0xb7/0xd0
  [] do_mlock+0xd2/0x100
  [] sys_mlock+0x9b/0xb0
  [] syscall_call+0x7/0xb

Furthermore, the three bad blocks are gone from within 2.6.5
(custom).

If I boot back into 2.4.25-1-k7, the three bad blocks are at the
same spot as they were yesterday. But they only exist with 2.4.25.

Can anyone help me make sense of this?

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Spamassasin on Woody - standard install using spamc fails??

[Peter Sebastian Masny]

Hi all,

I have a working woody mailserver with postfix and procmail

I wanted to try spamassassin tagging and did the following:

apt-get install spamassassin librazor-perl
enable spamd in /etc/default/spamassassin
/etc/init.d/spamassasin restart
then in my user .procmailrc I added

:0fw
|/usr/bin/spamc
However, spamc gets stuck.  The promail log reads:

> procmail: [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:06:56 2004
> procmail: Executing "/usr/bin/spamc"
and no more.  About 15 minutes later the following is added to the 
procmail log

> [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:22:56 2004
> procmail: Timeout, terminating "/usr/bin/spamc"
> procmail: [22511] Mon Apr 12 13:22:56 2004
> procmail: Rescue of unfiltered data succeeded
after which procmail proceeds normally

The only thing in the syslog is:

Apr 12 13:29:23 fsh5 spamd[22065]: server killed by SIGTERM, shutting down
Apr 12 13:29:23 fsh5 spamd[22514]: server killed by SIGTERM, shutting down
Apr 12 13:29:40 fsh5 spamd[22664]: server started on port 783
Anyone have an idea what is going on?

Peter

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Re: Question...

[John Hasler]

Bob Proulx writes:
> Debian is a free operating system for your computer.  In this case the
> part you care about is that the "free" means free of cost.

I don't think that is necessarily true.  Boeing may very well care about
'free' as in 'freedom'.  I hope they are also willing to consider making a
voluntary donation and/or becoming a Debian Partner: see
 and .
Of course, you are welcome to use Debian GNU/Linux regardless.

> However, manufactures of physical cdrom media may charge for their costs
> of manufacturing and distribution.

They are free to charge whatever the market will bear for copies of Debian
GNU/Linux.  Of course, since anyone can compete with them, the market won't
bear very much.


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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Yea, verily, I say unto you that on this date (Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:11:55
-0600) "Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> didst appear within
my Magick Viewing Screen and, being somewhat pleasantly supplicatory,
did polemicize thusly:

> Now, as I'm sure you know, Woody is the current stable incarnation of
> Debian.  What you may not know is that "stable" refers to the whole
> distribution, not just one package.  The debian developers test the
> hell out of a bunch of packages, and when everything is solid enough
> and works together, that set is released as the current stable
> version.  New versions aren't added to stable; instead, the entire
> testing (sarge) set of packages is beat to death, then becomes the new
> stable distribution. The only changes to a stable distribution are
> patches to fix security issues.  Thus, right now, shortly before a new
> stable release, Woody actually contains packages that are several
> years old.
> 
> The contents of the stable distribution are *not* a commentary on the
> latest version of a package to be trustworthy.  They are rather a set
> of packages that have been fully tested with one another and are known
> to be solid and work well together.  Bear in mind, it's not just the
> upstream software that's at issue; it's also the package itself.  If
> the debian package was not constructed properly, all sorts of trouble
> ensues.

Well said, as was the rest of your post.  I would just like to add
(since no one else has(which I can barely believe)) that the 'unstable'
version is decidedly /stable/ for desktop/workstation use.  I (no Linux
guru) have had uptimes of 60+ days and only that little because of
electrical outages.  The version names are somewhat misleading,
therefore, because 'unstable' is quite as stable as some other distro's
newest and best.

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/does/ break
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Re: Root Password No Longer Works in KDE

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

Scarletdown wrote:

Earlier today, I had a complete system freezeup for some reason.  All 
I could do to recover was power down and boot back up.  However, when 
kdm tried to run, I was dropped to a text login prompt.

I went ahead and logged in as root and did an apt-get --reinstall 
install kdm; then i ran kdm and was able to get to the graphical login 
screen.  When I logged into the KDE desktop, I discovered that I was 
unable to do anything that required the root password (su, kpackage, 
etc).  I keep getting "Authentication failure".

I know the password is good, because I am able to login as root from a 
text-prompt, and can also SSH in as root from another system; so I am 
suspecting a problem with KDE itself.  As another test, I tried 
logging in to KDE as root from kdm, and that fails as well.

And even more odd is, everytime I reboot, kdm fails and drops me to a 
text-based login, and I have to once again do an apt-get --reinstall 
install kdm.

I have tried everything I could think of at the moment, short of doing 
the dreaded OS reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install x-window-system 
kde and apt-get --reinstall install kde did not fix it either.)  I 
would really prefer to not have to reinstall, since it took me forever 
the first time around to get the nVidia video drivers configured 
right, and I can't remember whether or not I took down notes on how I 
did it.

So, if anyone here can make sense of my rather rambling description of 
this root password problem, please give some advice on how to get 
things back to normal.  Thanks.


Just a random thought. Did you try changing LDAP (server/client) 
configuration? May be the difference between /etc/pam.d/su and 
/etc/pam.d/ssh would give you an idea.

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Obtaining Debian [was: Re: Question...]

[Pigeon]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 11:17:12AM -0700, EXT-Rossman, Anthony J wrote:
> I am trying to acquire a pricing quote on a single copy Debian/GNU Linx
> Open Source OS software, BUT I know I will need to go to a 3rd party
> vendor.  My question is, do you know if your company, Debian, has done
> business with The Boeing Company before?  If so, can you please supply
> me with some information on previous orders, Thanks for your help!

It's free; like, you don't have to pay for it. Have a look round
http://www.debian.org. All you have to do is download it. No need to
order, no need to pay.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Pigeon]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 07:54:23PM +0200, Trollcollect wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of
> debians woody release i need to vent a bit of the
> anger and frustration that this distribution has
> caused.
> 
> I want to start with saying that i was a strong
> advocate of debian compared to distributions such as
> RedHat and SuSE. Being a UNIX admin professionally
> (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system
> pretty quick, and the packaging method was unique
> among all linux deriatives i have seen. Also i used to
> like debians approach of stability before
> bleeding-edge stuff.
> 
> However as i have to install a small network now (7
> WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
> get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> What i got after installation was 
> - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support

enter "bf24" at the "boot:" prompt from the installation CD to get a
2.4.18 kernel with ext3 support
or
upgrade your kernel once you've installed it

> - a KDE 2.0

add to /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2.1/Debian stable main

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Re: Problems with X 4.3.0

[Pigeon]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:43:17AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 11:45:50AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > I have to admit to relying on xkeycaps to do what I want (mainly convert
> > > Caps Lock to Escape and make both Alt keys work the same).
> >   
> > ...care to post your method? I've fiddled with xmodmap to achieve this
> > and achieved partial success, in X 4.1.0 (I can switch to a VC with
> > Ctrl-either Alt-F, but Alt-left-mouse to drag a window in blackbox
> > has to be left-Alt). What's really annoying is I did it with xkeycaps
> > on another machine but I'm buggered if I can remember how...   
> >
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> I did it quite simply, by clicking on Escape with the right mouse
> button, selecting duplicate, and then clicking on Caps Lock. I did a
> similar thing with the Alt keys. But you could also do it manually; in
> my xmodmap I have:
>   
> keycode 0x42 =  Escape
> 
> keycode 0x71 =  Alt_L
> 
> You can get the actual keycode values for your keyboard from xkeycaps.
> 
> The only thing I've found with xkeycaps is that choosing  to save just
> the altered keys doesn't produce a valid xmodmap; you have to save all
> the keys.

Oh dear, that's the same as what I've got... never mind, thanks anyway!

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Re: xwatch or root-tail for remote server?

[Ken Irving]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 03:56:49PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> 
> I recently started running root-tail on my box to track some of my log
> files.  
> 
> Does anyone know of something similar to root-tail or xwatch that allows
> me to see the log files of a remote server in my workstation here in the
> office?

Perhaps something like:

$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] tail -f /var/log/syslog

Run this in a transparent xterm and it sounds like it would be close
to what root-tail does.

$ apt-cache show root-tail
...
Description: Displays select log files in the X root window.
 Root-tail, is a program that displays one or more log files,
 on the X root window, through the use of transparent windows.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Trollcollect wrote:

> I want to start with saying that i was a strong
> advocate of debian compared to distributions such as
> RedHat and SuSE.

Please don't advocate things you don't understand.  You are doing neither
yourself or the people you are trying to give advice to.

Now follows an attempt to provide some quick answers.  Every single issue
you raise has been brought up and answered ad nauseum on this list and
elsewhere.

> Being a UNIX admin professionally
> (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system
> pretty quick, and the packaging method was unique
> among all linux deriatives i have seen. Also i used to
> like debians approach of stability before
> bleeding-edge stuff.
>
> However as i have to install a small network now (7
> WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
> get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).

Jigdo is the ideal method and seems to work for most people however the
same page that describes jigdo (http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd) also has
pointers to where to get the full iso images.


> What i got after installation was
> - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> - a KDE 2.0
> overall totally outdated and useless versions of
> libraries and software.
>

This is the result of "stability before bleeding edge stuff."  The woody
cds and boot floppies do support kernel 2.4 which you can use by typing
bf24 at the initial prompt.

> I then tried to figure out how to update those
> packages i need in recent versions.
> As i know KDE from
> Solaris, i trust enough in their own QA procedure to
> consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable
> at all, is beyond my understanding.
>

You misunderstand the meaning of stable in the debian context.
It is not a comment on the stability of individual packages but the
distribution as a whole.

> However it turned out that i could not update only
> selected packages easily. In fact neither of dselect
> or apt-get seemed to have a method to do this in a
> sensible way.
>

apt-get install apt-howto-en (or apt-howto-de if you prefer) and read
about apt pinning and adding additional apt sources.

See http://www.backports.org/ for a source of woody packages for the
latest KDE, Gnome, kernel 2.6, Apache 2, etc.

> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not
> capable of doing this, however i asked in a few linux
> related channels and also at work, noone could tell me
> how to set up a half-way decent debian without
> compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to
> build it all by hand but then, without the packaging
> system what good is debian?
>

Don't take advice from random people in random places.  Spend 15 minutes
on google first.

> I hope that whoever is responsible for the direction
> debian is steering to currently thinks about the
> target of the whole distribution, which is to provide
> users with a decent linux system that comes stable,
> yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive among
> other distributions.
>

Nobody is responsible for the direction Debian is steering (or rather 900
people are steering it in different directions!)  The nearest thing we
have to a target is the Debian social contract and free software
guidelines (http://www.debian.org/social_contract)

Definitely there are parts of the Debian process that need improvement but
learn about what's already possible before criticizing.

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xwatch or root-tail for remote server?

[Kevin Coyner]

I recently started running root-tail on my box to track some of my log
files.  

Does anyone know of something similar to root-tail or xwatch that allows
me to see the log files of a remote server in my workstation here in the
office?

Thanks
Kevin

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[John Hasler]

Tony Rossman writes:
> I am trying to acquire a pricing quote on a single copy Debian/GNU Linx
> Open Source OS software, BUT I know I will need to go to a 3rd party
> vendor.

If you wish to purchase CDs, yes.  See .
You can also download CD ISO images free of charge: see
.  Debian GNU/Linux is Free Software and
so is freely redistributable: you can legally get copies from anyone.  To
learn more about Free Software visit .

> My question is, do you know if your company, Debian, has done business
> with The Boeing Company before?

While the Debian Linux distribution may be in use elsewhere at Boeing,
Debian is not a company and does not sell anything.  To see what Debian is
visit .

The current Stable version of Debian GNU/Linux is 3.0, also known as
"Woody".  It is very stable and secure but not very up to date.  There are
also Testing and Unstable versions which are more up to date and to which
Woody can be easily upgraded free of charge.  Your user should contact this
list for free advice on what version he wants.  For support information see
.  Paid support is available: see
.
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Re: debian testing install bugs util-linux

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Joe penned:
> Hello, 
>
> I am new to Debian, but not new to Linux.  I have an old laptop
> and of course Fedora wont install on it, so I decided to try
> Debian.  I installed the stable release, but did not like the fact
> that it installed with kernel 2.2.20 when 2.6.2 was already out
> (along with the fact that there were a lot of old packages).  
>
> So I have decided to install the testing release and ran into a
> few bugs, but not sure how to use the Debian bug system to search
> on the items.

You could choose a more recent kernel for stable without having to
upgrade the whole system.  Is this a redhat-ism, to associate a given
kernel with a given version of the distribution?

Anyway, testing is arguably less stable than unstable, and security
patches get to testing much later than they get to either stable or
unstable.  I would argue against using testing, especially if you are
new to Debian.

Also, you can find out which bugs have been filed for a given package
like so:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=packagename

for example,

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mutt

[snip]

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Re: Question...

[Bob Proulx]

Hello Tony

I am not a representative of Debian.  But I am a user of it.  I am
responding to the note you posted to the debian-user list.

> I am trying to acquire a pricing quote on a single copy Debian/GNU Linx
> Open Source OS software, BUT I know I will need to go to a 3rd party
> vendor.

As you have already surmised Debian is not a company which sells
software.  Debian is an organization which develops and packages
software and then makes it available for free.  Here is a good
reference on Debian.

  http://www.debian.org/intro/about

Debian is a free operating system for your computer.  In this case the
part you care about is that the "free" means free of cost.  To us it
most importantly means free as in freedom, not price.  Without
constraints you are free to use the software without restrictions.
Please see this reference for a more detailed explanation.

  http://www.debian.org/intro/free

You are asking about a price quote for our free software.  It is free.
Really!  You may download it without cost from the many different
distributions sites listed.

However, manufactures of physical cdrom media may charge for their
costs of manufacturing and distribution.  You may buy a CD containing
Debian from one of the many vendors listed below.  You are buying the
media and the convenience of having Debian on it from a CD vendor.
This is not the same thing as buying Debian which may be had without
charge.  The list below is only a partial listing and other vendors
not listed also make media with Debian on it available.

  http://www.debian.org/distrib/

I understand that you may be requiring physical media instead of
downloading it for free from the Internet.  In which case I would
purchase a set from one of the many companies that sell cdroms.  Many
are listed here as referenced in the above page.

  http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

> My question is, do you know if your company, Debian, has done
> business with The Boeing Company before?  If so, can you please
> supply me with some information on previous orders, Thanks for your
> help!

Since CD manufactures will usually only charge a nominal fee the cost
of a box set of media is usually less than $20 dollars.  Though I have
never bought a set myself and different vendors vary in the costs they
charge.

Boeing is a large company and almost certainly Debian is in use within
your organization.  But because Debian is distributed free for anyone
to download and use it is not possible for us to know who is using it.

I can imagine that this message from you comes in response to someone
within your company specifying Debian and now you are needing to
deduce a cost for it.  But almost certainly whomever noted Debian
already has a copy of it and therefore has no need to actually obtain
it again.  Therefore perhaps you are already done.

Hope that helps.

Bob
Speaking only for myself.

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-12, Trollcollect penned:
> Hello list,
>
> after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of debians woody
> release i need to vent a bit of the anger and frustration that this
> distribution has caused.

Now, now; take a deep breath, count to ten, and read the rest of this
post before blaming Debian for your problems.

> I want to start with saying that i was a strong advocate of debian
> compared to distributions such as RedHat and SuSE. Being a UNIX admin
> professionally (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system pretty
> quick, and the packaging method was unique among all linux deriatives
> i have seen. Also i used to like debians approach of stability before
> bleeding-edge stuff.
>
> However as i have to install a small network now (7 WS's and one
> server), i have to reconsider this assessment. I downloaded woody (2
> failed attempts to get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> What i got after installation was - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> - a KDE 2.0 overall totally outdated and useless versions of libraries
> and software.
>
> I then tried to figure out how to update those packages i need in
> recent versions. As i know KDE from Solaris, i trust enough in their
> own QA procedure to consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable at all, is
> beyond my understanding.

Actually, what you're not understanding is Debian's release system.

Now, as I'm sure you know, Woody is the current stable incarnation of
Debian.  What you may not know is that "stable" refers to the whole
distribution, not just one package.  The debian developers test the hell
out of a bunch of packages, and when everything is solid enough and
works together, that set is released as the current stable version.  New
versions aren't added to stable; instead, the entire testing (sarge) set
of packages is beat to death, then becomes the new stable distribution.
The only changes to a stable distribution are patches to fix security
issues.  Thus, right now, shortly before a new stable release, Woody
actually contains packages that are several years old.

The contents of the stable distribution are *not* a commentary on the
latest version of a package to be trustworthy.  They are rather a set of
packages that have been fully tested with one another and are known to
be solid and work well together.  Bear in mind, it's not just the
upstream software that's at issue; it's also the package itself.  If the
debian package was not constructed properly, all sorts of trouble
ensues.

> However it turned out that i could not update only selected packages
> easily. In fact neither of dselect or apt-get seemed to have a method
> to do this in a sensible way. 

I think you need to research apt pinning.  Here's my first hit on
google:

http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

Also, you may find that you prefer aptitude to dselect.  Worth looking
at, anyway.

> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not capable of doing
> this, however i asked in a few linux related channels and also at
> work, noone could tell me how to set up a half-way decent debian
> without compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to build it all
> by hand but then, without the packaging system what good is debian?

Why did you ask in general linux channels about debian-specific issues?
Seems to me that you didn't go to the people most suited to helping you.
Debian-user, on the other hand, is the right place.

If you'd come here first, I think you could have saved yourself a lot of
frustration.

> I hope that whoever is responsible for the direction debian is
> steering to currently thinks about the target of the whole
> distribution, which is to provide users with a decent linux system
> that comes stable, yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive
> among other distributions.

This paragraph suggests to me that you haven't done your research about
Debian.  We engage in these sorts of discussions all the time.  Try to
understand the reasons behind the current system before accusing Debian
of being poorly planned or executed.  In particular, I don't recall your
"mission statement" to be related at all to the goals of Debian.
Perhaps you should look here for a hint of why Debian exists:

http://www.debian.org/social_contract

You praise the packaging system and how smoothly all the pieces
interact, but you condemn the practices that allow this packaging system
to do its job properly.  Please take some time to understand how the
system works.  Once you really do understand it, we can talk about its
possible shortcomings.

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Re: debian testing install bugs util-linux

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 11:36:22AM -0700, Joe wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> I am new to Debian, but not new to Linux.  I have an old
> laptop and of course Fedora wont install on it, so I decided to
> try Debian.  I installed the stable release, but did not like
> the fact that it installed with kernel 2.2.20 when 2.6.2 was
> already out (along with the fact that there were a lot of old
> packages).  
> 
> So I have decided to install the testing release and ran
> into a few bugs, but not sure how to use the Debian bug system
> to search on the items.
> 

Great!

> So I read the site and it said to mail this list. 
> 
> 1) The first bug I encountered was when it was retrieving
> packages.  It failed to retrieve util-linux for some reason, but
> that did not stop the install.  It just said it could not
> download the file. So I continued. I did try several different

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Description: Reports bugs in the Debian distribution
 reportbug is a tool designed to make the reporting of bugs in Debian
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Re: running jigdo-lite batch

[Gregory Seidman]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 01:57:26PM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
} >On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 07:13:13PM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
} >} I would like to run jigdo-lite in batch mode.
[...]
} >I used this script to create a full set of sarge ISOs. You may find it
} >helpful in writing your own script.
[...]
} >} Thanks!
} >} Hugo
} >--Greg
} 
} Thanks Greg! However, I think I have to use expect, although I dislike 
} the author's having put the greater part of the docs in his book that he 
} is selling. The reason is that things go wrong and you have to handle 
} that. E.g. just now jigdo-lite could not connect to the server in the 
} middle of the run and did not download 50 files and came to a grinding 
} halt and asks what to do: in this case try it again.
[...]

Well, I rarely have server problems. I have my own mirror of the repository
NFS-mounted, so it tends to work for me. Best of luck using expect.

} Hugo
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using apt/aptitude (was: Re: networking problem with 2.6.4 kernel [was: Re: 2.6.4 kernel install wants to remove current kernel])

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 02:11:24PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
| [back on-list]
| 
| on Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:02:06PM -0400, J F insinuated:
| > I don't have a specific answer to your problem,
| > but using aptitude seems to ease upgrade problems.
| > Also, having testing, unstable, and stable all in
| > /etc/apt/sources.list seems to get aptitude
| > to converge on a working solution.
| 
| yeah, i do have all of them in there.  i'm relatively new to aptitude,
| and have never been a convert, specifically because every time i try
| to install any one thing with it, it wants to upgrade the rest of my
| system and install at least 50 new packages.

Big picture :
apt normally prefers the version of a package with the biggest number
aptitude in woody defaults to 'Aptitude::Auto-Upgrade "true"'

As a result, when you have woody installed, have sarge (and/or sid) in
apt's sources list, and you run aptitude, then aptitude wants to
upgrade your system to sarge (and/or sid).

I assume, from your comments, that you don't want that.  There are
several factors at play here and you can choose what specific
semantics you want.  I'll explain by telling about my system.

I generally follow sarge, but not infrequently install packages from
sid.  I like to see what version is in what release with 'apt-cache
policy'.  Sometimes I don't want to upgrade all upgradeable packages
when I run aptitude in "gui" mode.  As a result I have the following
setup :
1)  woody, sarge, sid all listed in apt's source list
2)  sarge preferred, followed by the installed version, followed
by woody, and never prefer sid specified in /etc/apt/prefereces.
3)  aptitude version from sarge, with 'Aptitude::Auto-Upgrade "false"'
(default in that version)

I recommend using the aptitude in sarge over the one in woody because
it works correctly (usefully/conveniently) with Auto-Upgrade set to
false.  (the woody version changes the 'auto' flag to 'manual' when
choosing to upgrade a package unless Auto-Upgrade chose to upgrade it)

Also take a look at documentation regarding apt's preferences files.

| i probably don't have it
| synched with something or other -- probably related to the error i see
| whenever i start it up:
| 
| Apt errors
| W: Can't open Aptitude extended status file

I've never seen this message (that I recall).  My first guess, though,
is that you ran aptitude as a non-root user and as a result didn't
have permission to create /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.

HTH,
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[hugo vanwoerkom]

Gregory Seidman wrote:
On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 07:13:13PM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
} Hi world!
} 
} I would like to run jigdo-lite in batch mode.
} 
} That way I can stack 3 runs and have them done overnite.
} 
} Is that possible? Man and Howto not too helpful. Mailing-list is mostly 
} spam. Could hack the script. Takes time.

I used this script to create a full set of sarge ISOs. You may find it
helpful in writing your own script.
#!/bin/sh

URLTMPL="http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-X
XX.jigdo"
CDCOUNT=12
yes | tr 'y' '\012' | {
CURCD=1
while test $CURCD -le $CDCOUNT
do
URL="`echo \"$URLTMPL\" | sed s/XXX/$CURCD/`"
jigdo-lite "$URL"
CURCD="`expr $CURCD + 1`"
done
}
} Thanks!
} Hugo
--Greg

Thanks Greg! However, I think I have to use expect, although I dislike 
the author's having put the greater part of the docs in his book that he 
is selling. The reason is that things go wrong and you have to handle 
that. E.g. just now jigdo-lite could not connect to the server in the 
middle of the run and did not download 50 files and came to a grinding 
halt and asks what to do: in this case try it again.

But sometimes you have to Ctrl-c out when it proves a file is just 
nowhere, like recently with Sarge CD#6 and I forget who he was looking for.

Sometimes the server goes down like http://debian.midco.net/debian/ that 
left on me the other day.

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Re: networking problem with 2.6.4 kernel [was: Re: 2.6.4 kernel install wants to remove current kernel]

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 12:19:06PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
| on Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:42:06PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson insinuated:
[...] 
| > I haven't noticed any changes in networking, but that might be
| > dependent on the hardware and what modules I already had configured
| > to be loaded.
| 
| the network error i get when i try to reconfigure my network
| interfaces is below:
| 
| Reconfiguring network interfaces:

| cat: /var/run/dhclient.pid: No such file or directory

This message results from trying to stop dhclient while it isn't
running.  No harm done.

| Unrecognized kernel version

This I've never seen before.

| done.
| 
| i can tell that _something's_ not recognizing my kernel version, but
| what is it?  i probably just need to grab a newer package of
| something, but what?

What is your network card?
What driver did you use with the 2.4 kernel?
What does 'ifconfig -a' report?  (is eth0 listed there?)
What version of the dhcp-client package do you have installed?

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Sound problem with ALSA and 2.6.5 kernel....

[Ralph Crongeyer]

Hi all,

I'm having this problem with an Intel 82801CA sound card and Kernel 2.6.5 on 
my laptop. There's no sound at all? I have sound with my 2.6.4 kernel? Maybe 
just the drivers/driver in 2.6.5? When I boot the 2.6.5 kernel and run 
alsaconf it finds the card and sets everything up fine, but when I log into 
KDE I have no sound? The volumes are at the same levels as previously set, 
and I get no errors?

Any ideas?

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Re: Knoppix autoconfig for workstations

[hugo vanwoerkom]

John Harrold wrote:
Is it possible to use knoppix's autoconfiguration utilities with debian on
workstations. this way i can avoid mucking around with:
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86



I am writing from memory here, because I got rid of my Knoppix remaster 
partition, but Klaus Knoppix did quite a masterly thing when booting 
from his CD: he uses just one script that he boots with and then he only 
starts X from /etc/init.d that figures all this stuff out.

I don't think it would be an easy task to convert his scripts, because 
you won't be booting like that. It's the reason that Knoppix installed 
on a HD is not nearly as interesting as Knoppix from a CD: it no longer 
has the autodetect features in it and is Debian with a jillion packages 
on it from all over the place.

Hugo

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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Jim Woodward]

I suggest you install sarge and immediately thereafter install kernel 2.6.5
"Trollcollect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hello list,
>
> after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of
> debians woody release i need to vent a bit of the
> anger and frustration that this distribution has
> caused.
>
> I want to start with saying that i was a strong
> advocate of debian compared to distributions such as
> RedHat and SuSE. Being a UNIX admin professionally
> (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system
> pretty quick, and the packaging method was unique
> among all linux deriatives i have seen. Also i used to
> like debians approach of stability before
> bleeding-edge stuff.
>
> However as i have to install a small network now (7
> WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
> get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> What i got after installation was
> - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> - a KDE 2.0
> overall totally outdated and useless versions of
> libraries and software.
>
> I then tried to figure out how to update those
> packages i need in recent versions. As i know KDE from
> Solaris, i trust enough in their own QA procedure to
> consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable
> at all, is beyond my understanding.
>
> However it turned out that i could not update only
> selected packages easily. In fact neither of dselect
> or apt-get seemed to have a method to do this in a
> sensible way.
>
> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not
> capable of doing this, however i asked in a few linux
> related channels and also at work, noone could tell me
> how to set up a half-way decent debian without
> compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to
> build it all by hand but then, without the packaging
> system what good is debian?
>
> I hope that whoever is responsible for the direction
> debian is steering to currently thinks about the
> target of the whole distribution, which is to provide
> users with a decent linux system that comes stable,
> yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive among
> other distributions.
>
>
>
>
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Using Toaster::Mail

[Tony Stevenson]

Chaps and Chapesses:

 

I am trying to use the afore mentioned package, available
for downloads from http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster

I am however running into so many problems… This
package has been written specifically for FreeBSD and statically refers to so
many components of BSD.

 

What I want to know is if anyone else has managed to get
this to work at all yet?  I now I can manually set about installing some of
these components, but like the idea of them all being bundled together.  Does
anyone else know of any other packages (or at least tell me if I need to just
install all these packages manually?)

 

 

Cheers

Tony

 

 

 

p.s.  -  I am running Woody (2.4.18)

debian testing install bugs util-linux

[Joe]

Hello, 

I am new to Debian, but not new to Linux.  I have an old
laptop and of course Fedora wont install on it, so I decided to
try Debian.  I installed the stable release, but did not like
the fact that it installed with kernel 2.2.20 when 2.6.2 was
already out (along with the fact that there were a lot of old
packages).  

So I have decided to install the testing release and ran
into a few bugs, but not sure how to use the Debian bug system
to search on the items.

So I read the site and it said to mail this list. 

1) The first bug I encountered was when it was retrieving
packages.  It failed to retrieve util-linux for some reason, but
that did not stop the install.  It just said it could not
download the file. So I continued. I did try several different
mirrors and got the same message.  It seem weird, because it
said it did not install it but after the installation was
complete it seemed to be installed.

2) The second bug was it seems that the boot floppies
recognized the correct pcmcia device as an i82365 but the
installed pcmcia was set to yenta_socket.  This caused the
system to fail after the reboot for the second part of the
install and pcmcia services not to start.  Once I figured this
out, I entered the second part of the reboot and after entering
in a root password and user name and password, I then switch to
a console and changed this in /etc/defaults/pcmcia to i82365 for
the PCIC controller.  Then I restarted the pcmcia and
networking. It worked and I was able to continue.  

   It may be good to have a step in the installer to do allow
setup of pcmcia, but not sure how to do this, or before the
reboot copy the pcic controller from the installer to the live
system before the reboot.

After I did this it proceeded okay.  

3) I did run into another problem when selecting packages in
the second half of the install.  Some of them failed.  However
after I got the system up,  I was able to apt-get install
synaptic and use synaptic to customize the system. Synaptic is
pretty nice as it gives a Fedora user a familiar interface to
package management.  Some of the packages that got installed are
broken, but I expect that in testing, so I just uninstalled them
and I am still configuring the system and installing /
uninstalling stuff and setting up services. 

4) The only issue I have now is that it seems that I am
getting language errors. Something about LANGUAGE=(not set) from
perl?  There are 4 variables that did not get set, but should be
set.  I can't recall what they are and since they are not
causing major problems for me, I'm not going to worry about
them.  

Have these been already identified as bugs?

Thanks,
Joe




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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Sebastiaan]

High,

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, [iso-8859-1] Trollcollect wrote:

> Hello list,

>
> However as i have to install a small network now (7
> WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
> get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> What i got after installation was
> - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> - a KDE 2.0
> overall totally outdated and useless versions of
> libraries and software.
>
I don't know what kernel the CD images have, but 2.2 is a bit old, I
agree. But even in the stable distribution, 2.4.18 is available as a
kernel and testing even has 2.6.3.

> I then tried to figure out how to update those
> packages i need in recent versions. As i know KDE from
> Solaris, i trust enough in their own QA procedure to
> consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable
> at all, is beyond my understanding.
>
> However it turned out that i could not update only
> selected packages easily. In fact neither of dselect
> or apt-get seemed to have a method to do this in a
> sensible way.
>
I am not sure how you got stuck with old packages, so let's start from the
beginning. First make sure /etc/apt/sources.list is correct with lines
like:
deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free

If you only want the older tree, remove the second line.

Then run: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade  to update the package
list and to install new packages.

The kernel however does not get upgraded by default. Do apt-cache search
kernel  to get a list with kernel packages, like:
kernel-image-2.4.18-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 on 386.
kernel-image-2.6.3-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.3 on 
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
kernel-source-2.4.24 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.24 with Debian patches
(etc)

choose to install the one you need with 'apt-get install
kernel-image-2.4.18-386' (for example).

same idea with kde, but I guess kde get's upgraded by the usual 'apt-get
dist-upgrade' (I don't use either kde or kernel-image packages, so I may
be slightly off).

> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not
> capable of doing this, however i asked in a few linux
Probably just some basics every Debian n00b has to overcome :)


Greetz,
Sebastiaan



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Re: [OT] procmail rule to remove annoying unsubscribe/subscribe emails

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Incoming from Michael Graham:
> I was wondering if anyone had written a procmail rule to filter out
> emails with the subject unsubscribe or subscribe which have been sent to
> the debian-* lists. Preferably messages like mine will still be seen

:0
* 1^0 ^Subject:.(un)?su(b)?(s)?(cribe|cription)$
* 1^0 ^X-Mailer:.vacation
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* -10^0 ^Newsgroups:
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  LOG="list cruft - "
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  IN.listspam
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Incoming from Sven Hoexter:
> 
> :0
> * 
> ^Subject:.(unsubscribe|UNSUBSCRIBE|unsubscrive|unscribe|unsuscribe|subscrib|SUBSCRIBE|unsubscribe!!!|\"unsubscribe\")
> /dev/null

Except if you specifically tell it otherwise, procmail recipes are
case insensitive.  You can cut both of these back considerably.  You
might also consider escaping/backslashing those "!" also, but it's
redundant so better to remove the whole "unsubscribe!!!" instead.

> :0
> * ^Subject:.(Test|test|TEST|tset)
> /dev/null


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