Re: Error apt-getting new EM64T kernel
Hi Adam... here is the output as requested: mx1:/# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used. Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp (2.6.8-5) ... cpio: (0x): No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `(0x)': No such file or directory run-parts: /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/e2fsprogs exited with return code 1 Failed to create initrd image. dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 Errors were encountered while processing: kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Adam Aube wrote: Simon Buchanan wrote: Hi There, I have just completed install of debian testing on my new SMP server (xeon nocona processors) and went to install a new SMP-aware kernel and got this message: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp_2.6.8-5_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp_2.6.8-5_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Is this the entire output? Usually there are lines above 'dpkg: error processing' that show the actual error encountered. I tryed the standard "kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp" version and it installed correctly... It might be a bug in this kernel package, but without the complete output, it's hard to be sure. Please post the entire output of apt-get. Adam -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Variations of partition sizes (df)
Hi, Here is something I find quite peculiar. I have 2 boxes, one of which is called remotebox, the other 'localbox'. I have mounted a partition called '/data' of 'remotebox' on 'localbox' over shfs (SSH File System). 'remotebox' is RH9 (Shrike) 'localbox' is Debian 3.1 When I check for partition usage, I get these weird values: This is the actual information on the 'remotebox' itsellf. [remotebox]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail /dev/sda6 199G 139G 60G This is what it is reported on Windows over Samba Samba: Filesystem Size Used Avail /data 198G 138G 59G This is what is reported when mounted over shfs in the 'localbox' [localbox]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/data/ 793G 556G 238G Now, the values obtained from 'remotebox' and from Samba are OK. After all, the total disk capacity on the 'remotebox' is 246 GB. And, the '/data' partition was created to be 200 GB. The weird result is when try to read the capacity of the mounted partition... It tells me I have a total of 793 GB of which 555 GB is available.. This is blatantly wrong. Why could that be? Cheers, Ray -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can't initialize iptables table
Hi There, as the last part of setting up our new mail server, i was just about to install our firewall script based on iptables... having a quick check i get this output: mx1:/# iptables -L iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. I am running kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp. What do i need to do to get iptables working here? Thanks! Simon -- This message was scanned for spam and viruses by BitDefender For more information please visit http://linux.bitdefender.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nightstand Terminal
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 23:37 -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:43 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > > > You still are not understanding. I have been using Debian exactly like > > > LTSP for years. tftp booting, DNS, DHCP/BOOTP/RARP. At the place I work > > > right now, I am in the process of finishing a tweak-out of server for > > > Client serving via XDMCP login. Everything runs via the server in the > > > data center. All the people that will use it, will be working from an > > > X-Terminal, of which three types I have. The X-Term run from a bootable > > > image off of my tftp/dhcp/ntp/print-server > > > > > > > Now all these X-Terminals, what do you gues use? Are they new or used? > > Please restate??? I am not quite understanding. > > Most of the X-Terminals are used. X terminals have morphed into "thin clients". Back in the day, my DEC VXT-2000 was powered by a MC68020. Now, any Via C3 is many times more powerful, so why not move some of the burden(*) off the main box and onto the diskless thin clients? However, there's at least one still around: http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/ncs/ * Back before I used a VXT-2000, I walloped COBOL using a 3270 emulator on a 386DX16. "Why", I thought, "can't CICS integrate with the PC? A 386DX16 with 2MB RAM is more than powerful enough to do grunt stuff like validate fields, which would reduce the burden on the 1.6 MIPS, 6MB RAM mainframe. Maybe it could support 100 users, instead of only 70!" -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows or all he sees." Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: X.org <-----> Xfree
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:51:47PM +0100, Roelof Wobben wrote: > > Is X.org better than Xfree ?? > > No. It's "different". Someday it may be "better", for some values of > "better", but not yet. > > > Does someone has X.org getting on work with debian Sarge ?? > > Xorg will wait until Sarge+1 (namely, Etch). You don't need it > anyway. Sure I do. I have a laptop with radeon 9600 mobility in it. XFree86 4.3 cannot display 1400x1040 properly - I have a bunch of wierd boxen on the right most edge and lose about 1/10 of my screen to them. It also has difficulty displaying to an external attached monitor. I read on the internet about having to download and compile the x.org for it. Look up debian and ibm thinkpad t42 2378fvu sometime. -- Johan KULLSTAM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nightstand Terminal
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:43 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > > > You still are not understanding. I have been using Debian exactly like > > LTSP for years. tftp booting, DNS, DHCP/BOOTP/RARP. At the place I work > > right now, I am in the process of finishing a tweak-out of server for > > Client serving via XDMCP login. Everything runs via the server in the > > data center. All the people that will use it, will be working from an > > X-Terminal, of which three types I have. The X-Term run from a bootable > > image off of my tftp/dhcp/ntp/print-server > > > > Now all these X-Terminals, what do you gues use? Are they new or used? Please restate??? I am not quite understanding. Most of the X-Terminals are used. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
webcam graber/uploader
I got a webacm the other day, and now that I've got it working I wanted to put the images up on my webserver. I looked at : http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, and managed to make it work with the Debian webcam package, but it just seems to stop working after an hour or so. The webcam pprocess is still running, but no new images are being ftp'd to the webserver. I even set up a script in /etc/rc2.d to satrt this thing on boot. Now obviously I could script something, and maybe I should, but I thought I'd ask if there was a beteer Debian package to ry, firts? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardlinks to remote directories
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:46:46 +0200, ocl wrote:
> I am trying to create a hardlink to a remote directory
> but it gets rejected
Hard links must be on the same filesystem as the target. Hard links to
directories are (almost certainly) rejected.
> What am I doing wrong?
You can't do that. If you need a link, use a symbolic ("soft") link.
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Re: Hardlinks to remote directories
ocl wrote: I am trying to create a hardlink to a remote directory but it gets rejected --even when I am doing it as root. What am I doing wrong? Trying to hardlink to a remote directory. Remote, I presume, means on a different file system? If so, can't be done, use a symlink. The reason it can't be done is because a hardlink is just another directory reference to the inode the file or directory you're linking to resides on. It is identical to the original link in every way. Since one cannot point to just an inode on a remote file system hardlinks fail. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
(To: Debian ML) anyone ever expereinced with some of the redirected (using mutt's bounce feature) messages arrive with no subject ?
that's a one liner question in the subject. Thanks in advance . = ThanhVu H. Nguyen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: kernel in C? how translated? [Was Re: Help]
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 10:51 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:39:51AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > > The kernel is the core of the operating system. The operating system is > > composed of the kernel and any utilities that ride on top of that > > kernel. Debian/GNU Linux is a GNU operating system using the Linux kernel. > > Today's CPUs are actually an operating system unto themselves. Each > machine code instruction is broken into multiple microcode instructions. > The CPU exposes certain services which the "userland" :-) (i.e., ring 0) > code sitting on top of it consumes. Actually, it's been that way for 30ish years. That's what CISC is. Examples of such designs are the PDP-11, VAX, MC68K and, of course, the 8086. The "CPU" at the heart of the IBM 360/370/390 mainframes was also very CISC. The microcode of the VAX and mainframes was loaded from a floppy drive at IPL (that's the mainframe term for boot: Initial Program Load). In fact, on the VAX, you could (and many shops did!) alter the functionality of certain opcodes. Say you were writing a scientific app in assembly (the VAX makes it *really* easy to code in assembly) that didn't need Packed Decimal operations, but did need some other function "foo". If you were a High Wizard of VAX, you'd write foo directly in microcode. Very cool. VAX instructions were designed to make it *very* easy to compile FORTRAN and COBOL. Unfortunately, CISC doesn't scale as well in the raw speed department. That's where RISC comes in: few instructions, lots of registers, no microcode, all instructions hard-wired into silicon. Bad for assembly programmers, good for compiler writers and CPU designers. Ever since the Pentium and the AMD/NexGen K5, x86 CPUs have been RISC inside, with translation circuitry to convert the CISC opcodes into "internal micro opcodes". (The extra translation circuitry is what causes x86 CPUs to run extra hot, compared to POWER, Alpha and SPARC, since the extra transistors need electricity, too.) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. NAMBLA - Nat'l Assoc of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes (Yes, it's a South Park reference.) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Hardlinks to remote directories
I am trying to create a hardlink to a remote directory but it gets rejected --even when I am doing it as root. When I issue ln -d where "remote_folder_path" does exist. This is the error message I get: "Invalid cross-device link" What am I doing wrong? Cheers, Ray -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian retail kit?
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 13:24 -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > There is infact a book being worked on by various debian folks for > > sarge. unfortunalty dont know when it will be out. I think it will be a > > oriley book that updates the older 'debian bible'. > > Wiley actually. It's coming out in February. See > http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764576445.html 2005, or 2006, when Sarge ships? :/ -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "A peace that depends on fear is nothing but a suppressed war." Henry Van Dyke signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Java
On Saturday 11 December 2004 1332, somebody named Pedro M (Morphix User) inscribed this message: > It could be an ornamental (http://www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ornamental ) > program. This is, only usefull enough to create a package (some > limited/ornamental functionalities/usefullness). Or a real one. Shameless plug for Art of Illusion (http://www.artofillusion.org/). 3d modeller/rederer written in java. NRH -- Personally, I am always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Writing to SMB share fails from some applications
Hi Without going into a long explanation (which would probably only serve to confuse) of how I got to here, I have a problem saving to a samba share from specifically openoffice and kwrite. However, I can save to a samba share from the command line and from gvim running under kde. I had used smb4k for a short period (about 2 weeks) which seemed to work without a hitch until our router crashed and needed repair and the replacement seemed to confuse smb4k. smb4k went through a period of erratic behavior on both a sarge (i386) and sid (ppc) system - sometimes I couldn't mount and then couldn't unmount. After reconfiguring and reinstalling a number of times, I've resorted to using fstab to mount the shares on /mnt and after playing with dmask and fmask I can mount the shares with the correct permissions etc. Saving to a share from the command line is fine Saving to a share from gvim is fine Saving to a share from OOo gives the following error: "Error saving the document testfile: General input/output error whilst accessing \ /mnt/cma/TemporaryItems/testfile.doc" Saving to a share from kwrite gives a pop up box "Copy File (s) Progress" which sticks at 0% until the process times out with the following error: "Error kwrite The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:/mnt/cma/TemporaryItems/testfile. Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available" The permissions both locally and on the server are correct AFAICT - as evidenced by the ability to save both from the command line and gvim. Could it be there is some sort of session file(s) hanging around in the system from the previous errors which is blocking writing to a samba share? I found local (in my home directory) session files earlier for smb4k, the removal of which seemed to cure some of the file sharing problems. Thanks Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Conversion PDF->WMF
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:32:02 -0500, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The program in question is MS SQL Server's Enterprise Manager, and the > diagrams are tables with foreign key constraints. There is no way to save > it as anything other than part of the database as a whole, which is why I > said it has no export capabilities (see above). Can you extract the data that you want into an Excel spreadsheet? You could then import that into OpenOffice, generate the diagrams, and export to EMF. > There are two reasons to do it in Linux. The first is that everything I can > show my supervisors/bosses/customers can be done in a better/faster/easier > way on Linux is good for advocacy. The second is that I am much more likely > to find free tools to do what I need from the FOSS world than on Windows. I > am fairly certain that I can find an export-to-whatever plugin for Acrobat, > but I am also fairly certain that it would cost money; there is no budget > available for such things. It just seems like (in this case) printing to a file, converting that to PDF, and then generating another format readable by Word makes Linux appear to be more complex than the comparable result in Windows. I'm all for advocacy, but you don't want it to back-fire. If the OpenOffice route works, I'd say that's sufficient from an advocacy perspective, since you'll have shown that an open source tool is at least the equivalent of the MS tool. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Raid Array stays Dirty
After Setting up my RAID5 Array (4x 40gb drives) i got 120GB free space and everything seemed ok, then after restart i was told that i had a failure on a non-existant drive and the array rebuilt itself, not a big deal in itself. Since then its only got 111gb (Where did 9gb go?) and constantly says that the array is dirty, even after its been rebuilt. How can i "clean" the array so that it doesnt say dirty anymore + does anyone have an explenation as to where some of my memory (9gb) went ( + how to recover it) Thanks. P.S CC me as i'm not on the debian-user list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with /dev
Manu wrote: > I upgraded to kernel 2.6.9 but in /dev I do not see > /dev/cdrom (/dev/hdd) and /dev/hdc (CD-WRITER) > > first one should map CD-ROM/CD et and the other one > was mapping my CDRW.. how can I get these devices > back? I had this problem as well when I first started running udev. On my system, cdrom support is built as a module (ide-cd). The modules was automatically loaded when needed, but because it wasn't loaded when udev started, udev didn't know to create the links. After I ran (as root): echo "ide-cd" >> /etc/modules and restarted udev, everything worked fine. See if that works for you. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ls color for bad symbolic link
Tong wrote: > I remember that my previous distro can distinguish symbolic links as good > or bad: good links are show as normal link color whereas bad links are > shown as red. Edit your .bashrc and uncomment this line: alias ls='ls --color=auto' Then run: '. .bashrc' Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dynamic Web Page creation from Bash??
On 2004-12-11T23:11:50+, ognjen Bezanov wrote: > So what, Is CGI a programming language in its own right or is it an > extension of BASH? hmm... I'll have to read up on CGI as i dont have a > clue about it, thanks anyway. It is an interface; google for a tutorial or go look at the specs at http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/overview.html. /Allan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Dynamic Web Page creation from Bash??
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 23:56, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > >The idea is that everytime a particular URL is typed in the script > >executes and a webpage is created with the latest details, which is then > >sent to my browser. > > > > > >Is there any program/apache plugin that will do this automatically? > > > > > Congrats, you've just re-invented the CGI script! aah, so thats what CGI is.. i was wondering ... ;) > Make sure your script sends first something like "Content-Type: > text/plain\n\n", make the script executable, stick it in your cgi-bin. > Depending on your apache config you might have to append ".cgi" to the > filename. > > So what, Is CGI a programming language in its own right or is it an extension of BASH? hmm... I'll have to read up on CGI as i dont have a clue about it, thanks anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ls color for bad symbolic link
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:48:34PM -0500, Tong wrote: > Hi, > > I remember that my previous distro can distinguish symbolic links as good > or bad: good links are show as normal link color whereas bad links are > shown as red. > > How can I do that in Debian? Thanks ls --color=auto You can set alias ls='ls --color=auto' in you .bashrc if you want this to be the standard next time you login. `vdir' may already have been setup to use colors. Try it. You can set it up differently. Type echo $LS_OPTIONS and echo $LS_COLORS and experiment in .bashrc or other bash config files if you feel like it. Good luck, -- Maurits van Rees | http://maurits.vanrees.org/ [Dutch/Nederlands] Public GnuPG key: keyserver.net ID 0x1735C5C2 "Let your advance worrying become advance thinking and planning." - Winston Churchill signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Conversion PDF->WMF
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 11:48:52AM -0500, Michael Marsh wrote: } On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:36:26 -0500, Gregory Seidman } <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: } > Because of unpleasant requirements at work, I am producing diagrams in a } > Windows program that has no export capabilities at all. I can print, ^ } > however, and I am using the free PDFCreator project from sourceforge to } > generate PDFs. This is all well and good, but I now need to insert these } > diagrams in Word and modify them, which sucks. } } Since noone else has asked this: You're using a Windows-based program } to make diagrams that should go in Word. Does this program allow you } to save the files, and if so, what format does it use? If it doesn't } allow you to save files, that seems really strange. [...] The program in question is MS SQL Server's Enterprise Manager, and the diagrams are tables with foreign key constraints. There is no way to save it as anything other than part of the database as a whole, which is why I said it has no export capabilities (see above). } I can understand why you'd want to do as little of the work in Windows } as possible, but it sounds like you're forced to do at least 90% of it } that way to begin with, so trying to use Linux for the last part might } not be worth the effort. There are two reasons to do it in Linux. The first is that everything I can show my supervisors/bosses/customers can be done in a better/faster/easier way on Linux is good for advocacy. The second is that I am much more likely to find free tools to do what I need from the FOSS world than on Windows. I am fairly certain that I can find an export-to-whatever plugin for Acrobat, but I am also fairly certain that it would cost money; there is no budget available for such things. } Michael A. Marsh } http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh Hurray for UMD, my alma mater! --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ls color for bad symbolic link
Hi, I remember that my previous distro can distinguish symbolic links as good or bad: good links are show as normal link color whereas bad links are shown as red. How can I do that in Debian? Thanks tong -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About to take the plunge, one last nit
Andrew Schulman wrote: http://k3b.sourceforge.net http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ plus many other backend tools that these call, e.g. cdrecord, transcode, mkisofs, growisofs, sox, dvdbackup, All the power you could want. Thanks to you and Ron for the pointers. Not quite what I wanted but it got me started in the right direction. Also not as simple as Nero but then I really don't need to be as long as I understand the chain. Ended up using k3b as the front end and ffmpeg to convert the files to mpeg1/mpeg2 for k3b. Also might need kdenlive for some video editing. Not too bad since I was looking for some of these tools a few days ago on Windows and not liking what I was finding. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: bash doesn't accept settings
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:46:12PM +0100, Yevgen Reznichenko wrote: > Hello! > > My bash doesn't accept the settings like: > > set completion-ignore-case yes > set bell-style none > set show-all-if-ambiguous on > set show-all-if-unmodified on > > neither in /etc/inputrc nor directly on the command line. Does anybody > has an advise how to solve it? I have the following in ~/.inputrc set bell-style none set show-all-if-ambiguous on set completion-query-items 50 set page-completions On set expand-tilde On set visible-stats On It works. I can imagine that you need to logout and login again before it takes effect. If that doesn't work, post your bash version, debian version, kernel version. That might help others wanting to help you. -- Maurits van Rees | http://maurits.vanrees.org/ [Dutch/Nederlands] Public GnuPG key: keyserver.net ID 0x1735C5C2 "Let your advance worrying become advance thinking and planning." - Winston Churchill signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: apache
On Saturday 11 December 2004 12:34 pm, Andrea Tasso wrote: > Hi all, > I started from an hybrid istallation, say 50% woody and the rest > mainly sarge, and then This is your problem. Don't mix versions, bad things happen. See also: This list's archives, where this has been explained ad-nauseum, ad-infinitum already. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/ pgpaxKCT8V9Gl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mplayer and apt
Hello all, Is there any repository containing mplayer package? Thanks try this one: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat main -- Stefan Strasser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bash doesn't accept settings
Hello! My bash doesn't accept the settings like: set completion-ignore-case yes set bell-style none set show-all-if-ambiguous on set show-all-if-unmodified on neither in /etc/inputrc nor directly on the command line. Does anybody has an advise how to solve it? Yevgen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: mplayer and apt
Jacob S wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:06:05 +0100 Bayrouni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all, Is there any repository containing mplayer package? Hello, Yes, Christian Marillat maintains a repository with mplayer packages for stable, testing and unstable. Use the following line (replace 'testing' with 'stable' or 'unstable' if you're not running Sarge), then apt-get update and you should be able to apt-get install mplayer packages. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main HTH, Jacob Thank you Jacob, mplayer is now installed and working :) Bayrouni -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: mplayer and apt
Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote: Hi On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:06:05PM +0100, Bayrouni wrote: Hello all, Is there any repository containing mplayer package? Thanks I don't know about that, but you can try it like it is explained here (but it is in german, so i try to translate): http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-configsoft.html There ar two possibilities explained there: 1. Method: 1: get the mplayer source from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ and unpack them into /usr/src 2. (optional step, if you need these codecs then go on) unpack the codecs to /usr/lib/win32. They have to be present there bevor beginn compiling mplayer. 3. look that de build-debendices are resolved: Install build-essential, libglib-dev, libgtk-dev, xlibs-dev, libpng-dev, zlib1g-dev and debhelper. 4. install fakeroot 5 change to directory where the mplayer-sources are 6. do dpkg-buldpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 7. install the deb-package via dpkg -i. 2. Method: 1. add in the /etc/apt/sources.list the folowing: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main and then run as root "mplayer-build.sh --get stuff". I hope that would help you. Regards, Salvatore Thank you Salvatore for this additional inforamation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with /dev
Also forgot to mention that I use udev.. could it be because of configuration problem of udev? I look at the configuration file cdsymlinks.conf and here is what I see --- # Output links for these types of devices. # Allowed keywords are CD, CDR, CDRW, DVD, DVDRW, DVDRAM, CDMRW, CDWMRW. # Other words are accepted but ignored. #OUTPUT="CD CDRW DVD DVDRW DVDRAM" # Whether to output numbered links. # 1 = output 'cdrom1', 'dvd1' etc. for other devices # 0 = don't output 'cdrom1', 'dvd1' etc. # We always output 'cdrom', 'dvd' etc. for the best-match devices. #NUMBERED_LINKS=1 --- any help on this would be appreciated! Thanks Manu --- Manu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I upgraded to kernel 2.6.9 but in /dev I do not see > /dev/cdrom (/dev/hdd) and /dev/hdc (CD-WRITER) > > first one should map CD-ROM/CD et and the other one > was mapping my CDRW.. how can I get these devices > back? > > > I cannot see them in /dev/ and so cannot mount them! > > Thanks > > Manu > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced > search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mplayer and apt
Hello all, Is there any repository containing mplayer package? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache
Hi all, I started from an hybrid istallation, say 50% woody and the rest mainly sarge, and then apt-get dist-upgrade but from apache post-install (1.3.33-2) I got Unpacking replacement apache ... Setting up apache (1.3.33-2) ... dpkg: error processing apache (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: apache apache-ssl does the same. any clue ? thanks -- Andrea Tasso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (http://andrea.tasso.info) GnuPG key: search for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' on http://www.cam.ac.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html Key fingerprint: 1DD5 98C8 289A C1DF 7CFF B676 BDB6 6DC9 AD6A 745E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem with /dev
Hi I upgraded to kernel 2.6.9 but in /dev I do not see /dev/cdrom (/dev/hdd) and /dev/hdc (CD-WRITER) first one should map CD-ROM/CD et and the other one was mapping my CDRW.. how can I get these devices back? I cannot see them in /dev/ and so cannot mount them! Thanks Manu __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer and apt
Hi On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:06:05PM +0100, Bayrouni wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there any repository containing mplayer package? > > Thanks I don't know about that, but you can try it like it is explained here (but it is in german, so i try to translate): http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-configsoft.html There ar two possibilities explained there: 1. Method: 1: get the mplayer source from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ and unpack them into /usr/src 2. (optional step, if you need these codecs then go on) unpack the codecs to /usr/lib/win32. They have to be present there bevor beginn compiling mplayer. 3. look that de build-debendices are resolved: Install build-essential, libglib-dev, libgtk-dev, xlibs-dev, libpng-dev, zlib1g-dev and debhelper. 4. install fakeroot 5 change to directory where the mplayer-sources are 6. do dpkg-buldpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 7. install the deb-package via dpkg -i. 2. Method: 1. add in the /etc/apt/sources.list the folowing: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main and then run as root "mplayer-build.sh --get stuff". I hope that would help you. Regards, Salvatore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PPP connection
Hello, I connect to the internet through a 56K USR modem. Whenever I connect to my ISP using wvdial, it outputs lots of messages about the connection and one of these displays the connection speed that was established (something like CONNECT 50666 etc... ). However, whenever I connect to my ISP using pon, I don't get this information (I use plog -f to see the pon output). What I want to know is if there is a way to see that info or make pon display that info. Collet Brunel ___ Yahoo! Mail - Agora com 250MB de espaço gratuito. Abra uma conta agora! http://br.info.mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Java
Pedro M (Morphix User telefonica.net> writes: > > Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: > > >On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 16:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: > > > > > >>Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: > >> > >> > >--snip-- > > > > > >>Can anyone create the .deb package, so everybody can download it using > >>apt-get install. > >> > >>I think we can create a program to install a Java Mozilla Plug-in and > >>include in it the JRE. If one creates a program, can package with it > >>the Sun's JRE. > >> > >>See http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?JRE > >> > >> > > > >(Note: Taking this back to the mailing list so others can benefit from > >the discussion as well.) > > > >The requirements for redistributing the JRE are very specific. You can > >not also distribute something that is meant to supersede the > >functionality of the JRE. Since Debian distributes Kaffe, we would be > >violating the license. > > > > > > > We would agree with other organization to include its repositories in > sources.list > (co-official repository for Java). You can fetch debs from blackdown already, if you feel like it, afair. > >Also, one of the other requirements is that you redistribute the JRE > >with software that substantially adds to its functionality. As Mozilla > >USES the JRE, but in no way ADDS to it, this would also be a violation > >of the agreement. (The applets that the JRE might end up running THROUGH > >Mozilla would add to it, but since Mozilla doesn't we cannot package the > >two together.) > > > > > Because of this, the only way a non-Debian package could include the JRE > > >would be if it was a native Java program being packaged for Debian. > > > > This is a good idea. What about a Java program that could optionally > abled or disabled by the user ???. It could include a JRE to run. Undistributable by debian for all the various other problems in the JRE license beside the bundled distribution issue. Even if you can somehow make one of the many problems in the license go away, there are many other unacceptable clauses in it that all have the same effect: they make the JRE undistributable by Debian ... It's not a choice Debian can make. All Debian can do is to look at the license, and decide whether the license is acceptable or not. The copyright holder, in this case Sun (I guess), is the only one that can fix the problems in the JRE license. And only of they are willing to. They have not been willing to, though ... > >But > >by doing this we would lose the benefit of distributing the JRE because > >most people would want just the JRE and NOT the program that it comes > >with. > > > > > > It could be an ornamental (http://www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ornamental ) > program. This is, only usefull enough to create a package (some > limited/ornamental functionalities/usefullness). Nope. Read the fine license. It must "add significant and primary functionality" to the JRE. A program of any kind that's just distributed for the sake of being able to distribute the JRE along it would violate the license to redistribute the JRE because it wouldn't add "primary functionality" to it, afaict. Before you spend your time trying to come up with other creative ways to circumvent Sun's license, plase take the time to study it in detail at http://www.jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/jsr/tiger/JRE1.5.license.html Many other people have been trying to figure out a way for more than 5 years, afaict. It's a waste of time, both Sun's and yours. Even if someone found a brilliant new way to deal with all of the JRE license's unacceptable clauses, chances are it would be [] unethical [] illegal [] explicitely forbidden by the license [] dependant on Sun's eternal goodwill [] require paying an undisclosed sum of money [] all of the above ;) > >And, finally, the biggest problem is that the JRE license states that > >any software you distribute WITH the JRE must be under a license that > >"protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in" their > >license. In other words, you can NOT distribute a GPL'd program with the > >JRE. > > > > > > > Really, their license is a bad thing ;( Yes. But that's not Debian's problem ... it's Sun's. They have not been seriously interested in fixing their licenses in the last 5+ years, though, so I doubt they will ever be. So Debian's moving past Sun, and making sure that Java apps can go to main after they work with at least one of the various free runtimes. What Sun does or doesn't do to fix their licenses does not matter any more. > But an ornamental program would not be interesting for Sun ;) Nor for > us, excepting to package JRE in Debian ;) [X] explicitely forbidden by the license [X] dependant on Sun's eternal goodwill > On the other hand, we would claim a similar status to Windows: > > "On Microsoft Windows platforms, but not in Linux, the Sun's Java 2 > Runtime Environment's installer automatically installs the java and > javaw application lau
Re: mplayer and apt
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:06:05 +0100 Bayrouni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there any repository containing mplayer package? Hello, Yes, Christian Marillat maintains a repository with mplayer packages for stable, testing and unstable. Use the following line (replace 'testing' with 'stable' or 'unstable' if you're not running Sarge), then apt-get update and you should be able to apt-get install mplayer packages. deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main HTH, Jacob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dynamic Web Page creation from Bash??
The idea is that everytime a particular URL is typed in the script executes and a webpage is created with the latest details, which is then sent to my browser. Is there any program/apache plugin that will do this automatically? Congrats, you've just re-invented the CGI script! Make sure your script sends first something like "Content-Type: text/plain\n\n", make the script executable, stick it in your cgi-bin. Depending on your apache config you might have to append ".cgi" to the filename. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dynamic Web Page creation from Bash??
Hi all, I have a bash script which gives me details about my system (free space, RAID status, uptime etc) and while this is all good when im logged in via SSH i would like some way to actually be able to display this information on a web page so that it can be accessed from anywhere? The idea is that everytime a particular URL is typed in the script executes and a webpage is created with the latest details, which is then sent to my browser. Is there any program/apache plugin that will do this automatically? P.S please Cc me as i'm not on the debian-user lists thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mtab question
Hi Adam Thanks for your response. Definitely helps a lot. > > /dev /.dev unknown rw,bind 0 0 > > none /dev tmpfs rw,size=5M,mode=0755 0 0 > > These are from udev. Just was wondering about udev.. I found it strange to have a /.dev On top of it looks like it is pointing to my / partition as it is the exact same size Thanks Manu --- Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Manu wrote: > > > I have a question concerning my mtab > > > I see the following line : > > > proc /proc proc rw 0 0 > > sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > > These are virtual filesystems that provide a simple > way to get info from > the kernel using user-space tools. sysfs is new in > 2.6-series kernels. > > > devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 > > These provide pseudo-terminals. > > > tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 > > This is used for shared memory. You can control the > size of this by > editing /etc/default/tmpfs. > > > usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 > > This is a virtual filesystem for providing > information on currently attached > usb devices. > > > /dev /.dev unknown rw,bind 0 0 > > none /dev tmpfs rw,size=5M,mode=0755 0 0 > > These are from udev. > > > is it needed? > > The tmpfs entry isn't needed (most programs don't > use this shared memory), > but you might as well leave it alone. The others are > needed. > > > any documentation somewhere maybe? > > See the man pages for 'proc', 'pts', and 'udev' - > the others don't seem to > have man pages. A Google search would likely turn up > some info as well. > > Adam > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing sarge with basedebs.tar
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 12:11:06PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:38:25 -0500, "Joey Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > understand is the soon-to-be official "sarge" release..) and I could not > > > find the basedbs.tar file. > > > > There's no such animal for sarge. > > > > > I also noticed that the section "Installing > > > Debian GNU/linux from a UNIX/linux System" in the "testing" Installation > > > Guide does not exist. > > > > Sure it does. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apcs04.html > > > > -- > > see shy jo > > I have an additional question. > > It appears that debootstrap uses wget. I believe that wget is able to > recover from an interrupted download - doesn't download again the files > that were downloaded during a prior run - unless their timestamps were > modified on the server.. a bit like "make" works regarding compiles. > > I was wondering if this is also the case with debootstrap? > > The reason I'm asking is that the sarge base system is rumored to be > some 100Meg+ and this should take some 10-12 hours trickling down my > rather flimsy dialup pipe.. > > If not, is there a way I can concurrently save the result of the > download some place in case I mess the subsequent install... so as to > avoid running a second (3rd.. 4th.. etc.) download.. should I need to > start over... Or should I make a full backup of my root/base filesystem > immediately after running debootstrap? > > Only doc I've read is the rather terse debootstrap man page and would > gladly read other docs if available.. > > Or.. finally.. is there a method that's better adapted to dialup than > "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/deb http://debian.org/.. etc" > when attempting to download sarge from the mirrors.. where I could > download the packages one at a time for instance? > > NB. Due to the volume on this list and my limited quotas.. I had to > unsubscribe. Is there any place I can view your replies - if any..?? Or > would you be so kind as to cc: me on this..?? > > Thanks. > cga > The new net install system is currently the best Debian has for install over small pipes. If you can get the iso image of net install downloaded and burnt to CD, you can get the rest of the stuff you need by using it. Even if you can't get it downloaded over your pipe, I recommend that you try to purchase a copy of it from some vendor, and use it to download the rest. Sarge is not yet stable enough that you want to try to run it purely from CD, You need access to download updates over the internet. If the forgoing seems to imply that net install is not very good, that is mistaken. It is the best that Debian has because it is the best, period. You should not delay starting to use it, unless your internet pipe is totally disfunctional. All modern download systems use a layered system of error checking and recovery methods. Net install uses the best that are available. Go for it! -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD: can't burn dual layer or at > 4x
On Dec 11 2004, Andrew Schulman wrote: > $ cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/dvd -prcap Please, bear in mind that I don't have a DVD burner. Anyway, if I am not mistaken remembering what Jens Axboe said, you should use dev=/dev/dvd instead of dev=ATAPI:/dev/dvd to access your drive. This is the way that I've been using to burn CDs and is working fine with my (very old) CD burner with my custom built kernel (2.6.10-rc3). Hope this helps, Rogério. -- Learn to quote e-mails decently at: http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php http://learn.to/quote http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ati radeon mobility 9700
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Es Dissabte 11 Desembre 2004 16:14, en Christian Christmann va escriure: | Hi, | | I'm trying to run my notebook with the ATI Radeon | Mobilty 9700 video card. After downloading and installing | the ATI driver (from ati.com) and creating the config file | XF86Config-4 with the tool "fglrxconfig" I get the error | message when running startx: | [...] | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) | | But that's not possible because the module is loaded which | lsmod can confirm: | | Module Size Used by | fglrx 228700 0 | | | Any hints how to get the x-server running? You can try mine; download it at: http://perso.wanadoo.es/jtur/AcerTM290/acertravelmate290.html#xfree - -- Joan Tur (aka Quini), Eivissa-Spain Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo & AIM: quini2k www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBu0Mtok8j9RhtetwRAsWrAKCmKB4WJczCWtaObyXbUqa87JEVIwCdEDv+ 6ZN7CFzs0gM780HxhxsQP8s= =12lf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: X.org <-----> Xfree
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 08:49:44AM -0800, James Vahn wrote: > Jon Dowland wrote: > > I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up > > in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) > > I'm wondering if it supports the "ATI IGP 340M" on my laptop (hp ze5607wm) > because XFree86 has no DRI on that chip. Must be going blind, I can't find > any chipset support info at x.org... Yes, I have the same card, finally got DRI working, fps with glxgears is pretty low, but tuxracer, neverball etc. works fine. -- cheers, Vin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sources.list
Maurits van Rees escribió: On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 01:38:17PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone point me to a web page or manual page that shows how to set out sources.list (for apt-get) - like what to put in, where the servers are, etc. man sources.list Try also: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?SourcesList -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Java
Alex Malinovich the-love-shack.net> writes: > > On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 16:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: > > Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: > --snip-- > > Can anyone create the .deb package, so everybody can download it using > > apt-get install. > > > > I think we can create a program to install a Java Mozilla Plug-in and > > include in it the JRE. If one creates a program, can package with it > > the Sun's JRE. > > > > See http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?JRE > > (Note: Taking this back to the mailing list so others can benefit from > the discussion as well.) > > The requirements for redistributing the JRE are very specific. You can > not also distribute something that is meant to supersede the > functionality of the JRE. Since Debian distributes Kaffe, we would be > violating the license. > > Also, one of the other requirements is that you redistribute the JRE > with software that substantially adds to its functionality. As Mozilla > USES the JRE, but in no way ADDS to it, this would also be a violation > of the agreement. (The applets that the JRE might end up running THROUGH > Mozilla would add to it, but since Mozilla doesn't we cannot package the > two together.) > > Because of this, the only way a non-Debian package could include the JRE > would be if it was a native Java program being packaged for Debian. But > by doing this we would lose the benefit of distributing the JRE because > most people would want just the JRE and NOT the program that it comes > with. On top of that, *every* Java program and library packaged in Debian would have to include a version of the JRE in its package in order to ADD to it. The license has clearly been made for the windows proprietary software world, where vendors ship some non-free program along with some version of the JRE. It is insane in the context of a Linux distribution. > And, finally, the biggest problem is that the JRE license states that > any software you distribute WITH the JRE must be under a license that > "protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in" their > license. In other words, you can NOT distribute a GPL'd program with the > JRE. > Most of Sun's non-free licenses have several nebulous, ambiguous clauses, that are meant to give Sun an easy way to sue the skin off their enemies back (or at least get 2bn dollars in damages). A 'go-to-jail' joker card to pull in court if necessary. Another huge issue is that the license demands that a distributor (i.e Debian) indemnifies Sun, and foots the bill of Sun's legal team in case something bad happens. That's a no-go issue for volunteer-run projects like Debian. Neither can they afford financially to participate as a proxy in whatever IP wars Java vendors launch upon others, nor do they in general have a desire to be in a position where the legal future of the project is eventually put on the merci of a commercial Linux vendor. So Debian tends to stay away from distributing unacceptably licensed code like the JRE. Beside, the free software alternatives are catching up pretty quickly, anyway, so Sun's license won't be an issue in a few years, just like Netscape's old browser license isn't an issue any more (or the old FreeQt license from Trolltech). The best way to deal with the JRE issue is to contribute to the free java projects like GNU Classpath to implement whatever few [1] remaining methods/classes/interfaces your code is missing, and to make sure that the free implementations are better in every aspect than the non-free ones. If Linus had waited for Sun to open up Solaris ... we wouldn't have Debian now ;) cheers, dalibor topic [1] http://www.kaffe.org/~stuart/japi/htmlout/h-jdk14-classpath.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Baghira is grey
Hello! Just now all my widgets in baghira were blue, but after I played with settings of baghira style as root user, it changed something. For normal user all widgets now are grey and I don't know how to change back to blue. I have been through all settings and I am not able to find, how I to specify baghira to use this eyecandy liquid (aqua, blue or what ever is the name for this) style. Who has an advise? Yevgen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian retail kit?
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Kevin Mark wrote: > There is infact a book being worked on by various debian folks for > sarge. unfortunalty dont know when it will be out. I think it will be a > oriley book that updates the older 'debian bible'. Wiley actually. It's coming out in February. See http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764576445.html -- Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME File Association
Bruce Park wrote (11-12-2004 18:25): René Seindal wrote: Bruce Park wrote (11-12-2004 16:14): Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away with the "File Association" application found on the Applications -> Desktop Preferences menu? Yes it did, Use "Open with other application" and type in the application you want to use. It will be remembered for that file type afterwards. I wonder, why was it removed? I do realize that once you associated an file to an application, it works fine but most of my original settings have been removed. I think the idea was to move towards the freedesktop.org system, so application / mime / preferences can be shared between different desktops. It will make it a lot easier for applications to work with different desktops, if they can agree on some common conventions. I don't think the idea is all bad, but a few things have been lost in the process. I used to have files with different defaults than that of the mime-type. I could do that in gnome 2.6, but not in 2.8. Another minor thing with the new system is that you cannot enter a user readable name for a custom application. You just see the program name in the menu. To get around that I have to edit the .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications/ by hand. -- René Seindal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Seindal Consult
Re: GNOME File Association
René Seindal wrote: Bruce Park wrote (11-12-2004 16:14): Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away with the "File Association" application found on the Applications -> Desktop Preferences menu? Yes it did, Use "Open with other application" and type in the application you want to use. It will be remembered for that file type afterwards. I wonder, why was it removed? I do realize that once you associated an file to an application, it works fine but most of my original settings have been removed. bp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Framebuffer console disabled in woody [SOLVED]
Works fine with custom 2.4.18 kernel with "graphical console" enabled. Maybe Debian is correct not to include this in the stable default kernels since the feature is experimental. otoh.. default vga modes on a 15" laptop makes working in the console almost impossible. Maybe this feature is now mature enough to be offered in optional vesafb pre-compiled kernels? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
K3b cannot burn iso image to dvd
Hello, I cannot burn a dvd with K3B. I am using sarge, and a few weeks ago, I was still able to burn a dvd. Meanwhile, I used apt-get upgrade to load all new versions of selected packages. And now, I cannot burn a dvd. Here is the output from K3B: KDE Version: 3.2.3 QT Version: 3.3.3 growisofs --- Executing 'builtin_dd if=/tmp/dvd20041212.iso of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0' :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=4h/ASC=44h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error growisofs comand: --- /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/tmp/dvd20041212.iso -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -speed=4 Yves Grenier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Java
Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 16:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: --snip-- Can anyone create the .deb package, so everybody can download it using apt-get install. I think we can create a program to install a Java Mozilla Plug-in and include in it the JRE. If one creates a program, can package with it the Sun's JRE. See http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?JRE (Note: Taking this back to the mailing list so others can benefit from the discussion as well.) The requirements for redistributing the JRE are very specific. You can not also distribute something that is meant to supersede the functionality of the JRE. Since Debian distributes Kaffe, we would be violating the license. We would agree with other organization to include its repositories in sources.list (co-official repository for Java). Also, one of the other requirements is that you redistribute the JRE with software that substantially adds to its functionality. As Mozilla USES the JRE, but in no way ADDS to it, this would also be a violation of the agreement. (The applets that the JRE might end up running THROUGH Mozilla would add to it, but since Mozilla doesn't we cannot package the two together.) Because of this, the only way a non-Debian package could include the JRE would be if it was a native Java program being packaged for Debian. This is a good idea. What about a Java program that could optionally abled or disabled by the user ???. It could include a JRE to run. But by doing this we would lose the benefit of distributing the JRE because most people would want just the JRE and NOT the program that it comes with. It could be an ornamental (http://www.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ornamental ) program. This is, only usefull enough to create a package (some limited/ornamental functionalities/usefullness). And, finally, the biggest problem is that the JRE license states that any software you distribute WITH the JRE must be under a license that "protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in" their license. In other words, you can NOT distribute a GPL'd program with the JRE. Really, their license is a bad thing ;( But an ornamental program would not be interesting for Sun ;) Nor for us, excepting to package JRE in Debian ;) On the other hand, we would claim a similar status to Windows: "On Microsoft Windows platforms, but not in Linux, the Sun's Java 2 Runtime Environment's installer automatically installs the java and javaw application launchers in a location that's on the operating system's default system path. That means you don't have to worry about finding the launchers to start your application, and you don't have to provide instructions to your users for fiddling with the paths on their systems". This is a common path for all the Unices, including Linux ( if this really exists, include this information in the Sun's webpage). Regards. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing sarge with basedebs.tar
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:38:25 -0500, "Joey Hess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > understand is the soon-to-be official "sarge" release..) and I could not > > find the basedbs.tar file. > > There's no such animal for sarge. > > > I also noticed that the section "Installing > > Debian GNU/linux from a UNIX/linux System" in the "testing" Installation > > Guide does not exist. > > Sure it does. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apcs04.html > > -- > see shy jo I have an additional question. It appears that debootstrap uses wget. I believe that wget is able to recover from an interrupted download - doesn't download again the files that were downloaded during a prior run - unless their timestamps were modified on the server.. a bit like "make" works regarding compiles. I was wondering if this is also the case with debootstrap? The reason I'm asking is that the sarge base system is rumored to be some 100Meg+ and this should take some 10-12 hours trickling down my rather flimsy dialup pipe.. If not, is there a way I can concurrently save the result of the download some place in case I mess the subsequent install... so as to avoid running a second (3rd.. 4th.. etc.) download.. should I need to start over... Or should I make a full backup of my root/base filesystem immediately after running debootstrap? Only doc I've read is the rather terse debootstrap man page and would gladly read other docs if available.. Or.. finally.. is there a method that's better adapted to dialup than "debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/deb http://debian.org/.. etc" when attempting to download sarge from the mirrors.. where I could download the packages one at a time for instance? NB. Due to the volume on this list and my limited quotas.. I had to unsubscribe. Is there any place I can view your replies - if any..?? Or would you be so kind as to cc: me on this..?? Thanks. cga -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: K3b cannot burn iso image to dvd
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:05:43 +0100 Yves Grenier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I cannot burn a dvd with K3B. I am using sarge, and a few weeks ago, I > was still able to burn a dvd. Meanwhile, I used apt-get upgrade to load > all new versions of selected packages. And now, I cannot burn a dvd. > > Here is the output from K3B: > > KDE Version: 3.2.3 > QT Version: 3.3.3 > > growisofs > --- > Executing 'builtin_dd if=/tmp/dvd20041212.iso of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0' > :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=4h/ASC=44h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error > > growisofs comand: > --- > /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=/tmp/dvd20041212.iso > -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -speed=4 > > > Yves Grenier And what version of the kernel are you using? -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgpCkFHcvvj6M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNOME File Association
Bruce Park wrote (11-12-2004 16:14): Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away with the "File Association" application found on the Applications -> Desktop Preferences menu? Yes it did, Use "Open with other application" and type in the application you want to use. It will be remembered for that file type afterwards. -- René Seindal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Seindal Consult
Re: Knoppix & Swap
I'm wondering why you asked here instead of a Knoppix mailing list? Just to torture your soul! :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org <-----> Xfree
Jon Dowland wrote: > I see a lot of discussion about packaging and which distro it may end up > in but nothing about why you might want to use X.org instead of XFree :) I'm wondering if it supports the "ATI IGP 340M" on my laptop (hp ze5607wm) because XFree86 has no DRI on that chip. Must be going blind, I can't find any chipset support info at x.org... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix & Swap
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 11:58:36AM +, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > I have installed knoppix with knx2hd but it doesn't seem to be using > swap. I was wondering: I'm wondering why you asked here instead of a Knoppix mailing list? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nightstand Terminal
Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 14:43 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Invest in LTSP.org It will give you a terminal that can be very quiet with the horsepower of your workstation. I use a number of notebooks for these clients. The hard drive is not running so there's zero noise and the power consumption is on the order of <10W. Very compatable. Very easy to set up. I think the entire learning curve is a good Sunday. Assumption: It requires the following: DHCP DNS (optional) tftpd Why would I need LTSP? I have Debian. I have been using Debian doing these kinds of things like forever. (Well before Debian twas RedHat and before that HPUX and etc...) I assumed that "Nightstand" was to imply a small workstation with a strong preference for very, very quiet operations. Also something that might be left on for days at a time. He was asking about serial Terms too... so I felt DUMMY terminal or X-Terminal was implied. Through LTSP (which works very nicely with Debian) you could configure a client workstation to run a X-window session from the big, loud, hot workstation/server you want to monitor. You still are not understanding. I have been using Debian exactly like LTSP for years. tftp booting, DNS, DHCP/BOOTP/RARP. At the place I work right now, I am in the process of finishing a tweak-out of server for Client serving via XDMCP login. Everything runs via the server in the data center. All the people that will use it, will be working from an X-Terminal, of which three types I have. The X-Term run from a bootable image off of my tftp/dhcp/ntp/print-server Now all these X-Terminals, what do you gues use? Are they new or used? H. But the hardware could be configured in the BIOS to run without the hard drive or to spin down the hard drive after one minute. X-Terminal == Exceptionally Quiet == NO moving parts typically This would leave you with a very quiet machine that you could leave on for hours or days at a time. Additionally it can be run from anything that is at least a 486 with 16-32MB RAM. X-Terms usually only need the amount they come with. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scsi card not found by 2.6.8-smp kernel SOLVED
At this point I have a 2.6.9-smp kernel. The scsi card is only detected if the scanner is turned on, so if it's off when booting, run # /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh and you're in business. Beyond that, all it took was "aha152x" in /etc/modules. daveA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: kernel in C? how translated? [Was Re: Help]
At Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:39:51 -0600, Kent West wrote: > > Samuel: > > I've changed your subject line to something more meaningful, and have > routed it back to the list so that others who actually know these things > can address your questions; I'm not a programmer, and have never delved > into the inner workings of the kernel. However, this is also somewhat > off-topic for the Debian list so it's marked "OT"; still, some of the > fine folks on this list might can address your question and perhaps > steer you towards resources that are better suited for your questions. > > samuel prakash wrote: > > > I have read that kernel is the real operating system and linux is the > > name of the kernel. > > The kernel is the core of the operating system. The operating system is > composed of the kernel and any utilities that ride on top of that > kernel. Debian/GNU Linux is a GNU operating system using the Linux kernel. > The kernel is the operating system itself, the thing that allows everything to run. Everything above it is part of the distribution and not the operating system and its whats called "user space" since it doesn't access the machine directly but asks the kernel to do it. > > > can u tell me whether linux kernel is written in > > "c" or in "assembly level language". > > Most of it is written in C, as that is much easier to program in than > assembly. However, assembly might be used in some areas whenever the > programmer needs more intimate access to the hardware than C might provide. > c is also much more portable, so everything that can be writen in c, is. This way the main bulk of the kernel code can be used also on mac, irix, sun, silicon graphixs, etc. The only thing that needs to be changed are a few platform specific things that have to be writen in assembly, or support for hardware that is only available on some of the platforms. > > > I have also read that cpu > > understands only machine level language if so then how "c" and > > "assembly level language" is converted in to machine level language. > Assemply is machine language in human readable format. It translates directly to zeros and ones that the machine can read by a simple comverter (there are tools that take the actual program and display it in assembly form and this is very easy to do. c is converted to assembly and then the actual ones and zeros using something called a compiler. It knows how to take the c code and convert it to assembly code. > Assembly is just a step above machine level language; any competent > programmer could convert assembly to machine code. However, that's > tedious and error prone, so programmers throughout the years have > written translation programs, called assemblers, that do the work for them. > > For example, an assembly instruction to add the decimal numbers 19 > (which is 13 in hex) and 43 (which is 2b in hex) (Kcalc has a mode that > will help you convert hex numbers to decimal and/or binary and > vice-versa) might be > > add 13,2B > > The programmer would look up the corresponding hex code for "add"; this > code will be different depending on what CPU is being used (a Pentium, > or a Sparc, or a PowerPC chip, etc), and the code chart is available in > books, online, from publications by the CPU manufacturer, etc. > > Let's pretend the hex code for "add" in our little example is A9. So, > the above command in pure hex would be > > A9 13 2B > > Then that converts into binary quite easily. You can see a decimal to > hex to binary chart at the bottom of this page: > > http://www.computerhope.com/binhex.htm > > So to convert our hex instruction to binary, we convert each digit, such > that A becomes 1010, and 9 becomes 1001, etc. The converted instruction > looks like > > 1010 1001 0001 0011 0010 1011 > > This machine code essentially means that of the 24 > transistors/capacitors/switches/magnetic dots on a tape/burned > depressions in a CD/etc needed to store that info, the first switch/mag > dot/etc is on, the next is off, the next is on, the next is off, then > on, off, off, on, off, off, off, on, etc. > > The CPU understands switches being on and off, so it can understand this > code. > > Look at the light switch on the wall of the room you're in. Just a > simple switch; it can be on or off. Now imagine a group of four of those > next to each other. This is equivalent to a "nybble". Now imagine a > second set of four next to the first set of four. Now you have eight > switches. Eight switches, or two nybbles, make a byte. You're familiar > with the term byte; you may have 128 Mega_bytes_ of RAM in your > computer. 128 MB of RAM is roughly 128 million groups of eight switches. > Unlike English, which can have words of four letters or 5 or 2 or 9 or > whatever, "words" (for the purposes of this conversation) in computer > language are usually always 8 "letters" long; thus the "byte" (there's > nothing particularly "magic"
Re: Conversion PDF->WMF
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:36:26 -0500, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because of unpleasant requirements at work, I am producing diagrams in a > Windows program that has no export capabilities at all. I can print, > however, and I am using the free PDFCreator project from sourceforge to > generate PDFs. This is all well and good, but I now need to insert these > diagrams in Word and modify them, which sucks. Since noone else has asked this: You're using a Windows-based program to make diagrams that should go in Word. Does this program allow you to save the files, and if so, what format does it use? If it doesn't allow you to save files, that seems really strange. If the format in which it saves diagrams can't be directly imported into Word, have you looked for Windows-native programs to convert it to a format that Word will accept? I can understand why you'd want to do as little of the work in Windows as possible, but it sounds like you're forced to do at least 90% of it that way to begin with, so trying to use Linux for the last part might not be worth the effort. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Java
On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 16:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: > Alex Malinovich escribiÃ: --snip-- > Can anyone create the .deb package, so everybody can download it using > apt-get install. > > I think we can create a program to install a Java Mozilla Plug-in and > include in it the JRE. If one creates a program, can package with it > the Sun's JRE. > > See http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?JRE (Note: Taking this back to the mailing list so others can benefit from the discussion as well.) The requirements for redistributing the JRE are very specific. You can not also distribute something that is meant to supersede the functionality of the JRE. Since Debian distributes Kaffe, we would be violating the license. Also, one of the other requirements is that you redistribute the JRE with software that substantially adds to its functionality. As Mozilla USES the JRE, but in no way ADDS to it, this would also be a violation of the agreement. (The applets that the JRE might end up running THROUGH Mozilla would add to it, but since Mozilla doesn't we cannot package the two together.) Because of this, the only way a non-Debian package could include the JRE would be if it was a native Java program being packaged for Debian. But by doing this we would lose the benefit of distributing the JRE because most people would want just the JRE and NOT the program that it comes with. And, finally, the biggest problem is that the JRE license states that any software you distribute WITH the JRE must be under a license that "protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in" their license. In other words, you can NOT distribute a GPL'd program with the JRE. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: kernel in C? how translated? [Was Re: Help]
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 09:39:51AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > The kernel is the core of the operating system. The operating system is > composed of the kernel and any utilities that ride on top of that > kernel. Debian/GNU Linux is a GNU operating system using the Linux kernel. Today's CPUs are actually an operating system unto themselves. Each machine code instruction is broken into multiple microcode instructions. The CPU exposes certain services which the "userland" :-) (i.e., ring 0) code sitting on top of it consumes. >From Intel's perspective Linux and Windows are just additional apps consuming their mammoth multi-million line operating systems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
apache2.conf content negotiation issue
Hi, I have installed the Apache2 webserver and the documentation (apache2-doc). Unfortunately, the Debian default configuration for the apache2 seems to be broken regarding the content negotiation: E.g.: `http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/' shows just the content of the type-map file. Don't know how to fix this, do you? Thanks FAU -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: kernel in C? how translated? [Was Re: Help]
Samuel: I've changed your subject line to something more meaningful, and have routed it back to the list so that others who actually know these things can address your questions; I'm not a programmer, and have never delved into the inner workings of the kernel. However, this is also somewhat off-topic for the Debian list so it's marked "OT"; still, some of the fine folks on this list might can address your question and perhaps steer you towards resources that are better suited for your questions. samuel prakash wrote: I have read that kernel is the real operating system and linux is the name of the kernel. The kernel is the core of the operating system. The operating system is composed of the kernel and any utilities that ride on top of that kernel. Debian/GNU Linux is a GNU operating system using the Linux kernel. can u tell me whether linux kernel is written in "c" or in "assembly level language". Most of it is written in C, as that is much easier to program in than assembly. However, assembly might be used in some areas whenever the programmer needs more intimate access to the hardware than C might provide. I have also read that cpu understands only machine level language if so then how "c" and "assembly level language" is converted in to machine level language. Assembly is just a step above machine level language; any competent programmer could convert assembly to machine code. However, that's tedious and error prone, so programmers throughout the years have written translation programs, called assemblers, that do the work for them. For example, an assembly instruction to add the decimal numbers 19 (which is 13 in hex) and 43 (which is 2b in hex) (Kcalc has a mode that will help you convert hex numbers to decimal and/or binary and vice-versa) might be add 13,2B The programmer would look up the corresponding hex code for "add"; this code will be different depending on what CPU is being used (a Pentium, or a Sparc, or a PowerPC chip, etc), and the code chart is available in books, online, from publications by the CPU manufacturer, etc. Let's pretend the hex code for "add" in our little example is A9. So, the above command in pure hex would be A9 13 2B Then that converts into binary quite easily. You can see a decimal to hex to binary chart at the bottom of this page: http://www.computerhope.com/binhex.htm So to convert our hex instruction to binary, we convert each digit, such that A becomes 1010, and 9 becomes 1001, etc. The converted instruction looks like 1010 1001 0001 0011 0010 1011 This machine code essentially means that of the 24 transistors/capacitors/switches/magnetic dots on a tape/burned depressions in a CD/etc needed to store that info, the first switch/mag dot/etc is on, the next is off, the next is on, the next is off, then on, off, off, on, off, off, off, on, etc. The CPU understands switches being on and off, so it can understand this code. Look at the light switch on the wall of the room you're in. Just a simple switch; it can be on or off. Now imagine a group of four of those next to each other. This is equivalent to a "nybble". Now imagine a second set of four next to the first set of four. Now you have eight switches. Eight switches, or two nybbles, make a byte. You're familiar with the term byte; you may have 128 Mega_bytes_ of RAM in your computer. 128 MB of RAM is roughly 128 million groups of eight switches. Unlike English, which can have words of four letters or 5 or 2 or 9 or whatever, "words" (for the purposes of this conversation) in computer language are usually always 8 "letters" long; thus the "byte" (there's nothing particularly "magic" about this length; it's just what programmers agreed on throughout the years). And as each letter can only be on or off, just two states, rather than the couple of hundred or so characters used in English (26 letters, upper and lower case, plus punctuation and number symbols, etc), the language is referred to as "binary". So, if you had 6 sets of four light switches on your wall (and it'd be easier to "read" them if they were grouped as three sets of two sets of four, like so 1010 10010001 00110010 1011 which is the same as above, just spaced differently), then you could program your lights with our instruction above. (Not that the lights could understand this instruction, of course, but replace your lights with the appropriate CPU and you've just instructed it to add two numbers.) C code is considerably "higher". Whereas a programmer could theoretically convert C to machine code, it would be much too difficult and error prone to do for any practical purpose. Instead, conversion programs called compilers have been written to do the translation work. gcc is such a compiler. To get a feel for how C code is converted into a language used by the kernel, here's a simple little example: http://www.faqs.org/docs/kernel/x145.html along with the next page afte
ati radeon mobility 9700
Hi, I'm trying to run my notebook with the ATI Radeon Mobilty 9700 video card. After downloading and installing the ATI driver (from ati.com) and creating the config file XF86Config-4 with the tool "fglrxconfig" I get the error message when running startx: [...] (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) But that's not possible because the module is loaded which lsmod can confirm: Module SizeUsed by fglrx 228700 0 Any hints how to get the x-server running? Thanks Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
can't initially log in through KDM anymore
My girlfriends computer is running Sarge with kernel version 2.6.7-1-k7. When the KDM screen first starts, It will not accept any input from the keyboard. I'm using a PS/2 keyboard & mouse. The mouse is functional, so I select "console login", and log onto any account that way, and type "/etc/init.d/kdm restart". Once KDM has restarted, I can login using the keyboard just fine. I have checked when I login using the shell, all of the ps/2 modules are loaded just fine. Thanks -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgp9v3g4yjz1w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GNOME File Association
Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 22:40 -0500, Bruce Park wrote: Hello Debian Users, I am currently using the unstable version of Debian. Prior to this, I was using testing (Sarge) and I noticed that a serious problem had occurred after an dist-upgrade. Basically, all my file associations seem to have dissapeared. While using testing, I was able to at least open a application with this information but in Sid, I can't even find this application anymore. It would appear that it is no longer in it's proper menu. An annoying side effect to this is that I cannot double click files and have them automatically launch with the approrpriate application. When I try this, the message I usually get is: "Couldn't display ." Can anyone tell me how I can get that application back into the menu? I don't know the exact name of the program but it allowed me to associate files by the suffix to an application. Any help will be appreciated. See if these are installed properly: ii gnome-mime-data 2.4.1-2 ii mime-support 3.28-1 ii mimedecode 1.9-2 ii shared-mime-info 0.15-1 The third pacakage "mimedecode" was missing. After installing it, the only improvement I see is after right clicking a file, it gives me one more option which is to open it with an associated appplication. Is it possible that GNOME 2.8 (or Debian for that matter) did away with the "File Association" application found on the Applications -> Desktop Preferences menu? Thanks for the help. bp -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why do people use 1280x1024? (was Re: custom gdm screen resolution? [SOLVED - work around])
Hello. Ron Johnson: > A 400x400 window at resolution 1280x1024 is the exact same size as if > the monitor were running at 1280x960, because the monitor (whether LCT > or CRT) is designed to run at 1280x1024, and X knows about 1280x1024. The only monitors that are 'designed' to run at certain resolutions are the LCDs, and - as they have square pixels - it's best to stick to their native resolution. The 'old' CRTs are almost always 4:3, so a 400x400 window will be square at 1280x960 and not square at 1280x1024. The question is, of course, whether the difference matters. The truth is that on CRTs the distances between the edge pixels and the plastic border of the monitor is set by the user and almost always slightly varies with resolution. I can imagine someone running 1280x1024 with the monitor set a bit 'wider' than in 1280x960, so the difference becomes even smaller. After all, these two resolutions differ only in 6% of their height. > There will *only* be issues is a 4:3 image is stretched > to 5:4. Then, the image will look long/thin. No, if you set a 5:4 LCD (a popular setup) to a full-screen 1024x960 or any other 4:3 resolution, you'll have the image stretched as well (albeit in the other dimension). Cheers, -- Shot (with a 5:4, 1280x1024 LCD on desktop and 4:3, 1024x768 LCD in laptop) -- The average, healthy, well-adjusted adult gets up at seven-thirty in the morning feeling just plain terrible. -- Jean Kerr http://shot.pl/hovercraft/ === signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Driver for Motherboard with SiS 620 video chipset and HT8338A/PCI sound
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:30:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I've got a PC with a fairly recent motherboard: a Slot 1 M748mr. This > MB is a real pizza with everything on it, which is my problem. I have > installed slink without too much trouble except two difficulties for which, > after over a week of tentatives, I would like some guidance: video and sound. Slink is a very old Debian release, archaic would be a better description. I think SIS 620 is supported at least by the Woody version of X, and probably the same is for your sound card with ALSA (i've not checked tho). Another point to try a "fresher" Debian version is that you have no security update for Slink... Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Possibly OT: Postfix stopped working (firestarter problem???)
> > I have this strange problem that Postfix stopped working all of a > sudden. Actually, it does work locally but remotely, both sending and > receiving don't work. And this seems to (or could) be more of > a problem > with my firewall (firestarter) than that of postfix. Because even as I > have allowed connections to SMTP port (25), the internet port scanner > programs see that port in stealth mode. And I don't understand how my > firewall would stop postfix from sending email (since its now > blocked). It could be the case that your ISP all of a sudden decided it is a very bad idea to have a mailserver, and thus decided to block all incoming traffic to port 25, and all outgoing traffic to port 25. This would at least explain why internet port scanners see port 25 in stealth mode. It appears this is kind of common practice since various worms and viruses contain their own mailserver. HTH, Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nightstand Terminal
On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 14:43 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Invest in LTSP.org > >> > >> It will give you a terminal that can be very quiet with the horsepower > >> of > >> your workstation. I use a number of notebooks for these clients. The > >> hard drive is not running so there's zero noise and the power > >> consumption > >> is on the order of <10W. > >> > >> Very compatable. > >> Very easy to set up. > >> I think the entire learning curve is a good Sunday. > >> Assumption: It requires the following: > >> DHCP > >> DNS (optional) > >> tftpd > > > > Why would I need LTSP? I have Debian. > > > > I have been using Debian doing these kinds of things like forever. (Well > > before Debian twas RedHat and before that HPUX and etc...) > I assumed that "Nightstand" was to imply a small workstation with a strong > preference for very, very quiet operations. Also something that might be > left on for days at a time. He was asking about serial Terms too... so I felt DUMMY terminal or X-Terminal was implied. > Through LTSP (which works very nicely with Debian) you could configure a > client workstation to run a X-window session from the big, loud, hot > workstation/server you want to monitor. You still are not understanding. I have been using Debian exactly like LTSP for years. tftp booting, DNS, DHCP/BOOTP/RARP. At the place I work right now, I am in the process of finishing a tweak-out of server for Client serving via XDMCP login. Everything runs via the server in the data center. All the people that will use it, will be working from an X-Terminal, of which three types I have. The X-Term run from a bootable image off of my tftp/dhcp/ntp/print-server > But the hardware could be > configured in the BIOS to run without the hard drive or to spin down the > hard drive after one minute. X-Terminal == Exceptionally Quiet == NO moving parts typically > This would leave you with a very quiet machine that you could leave on for > hours or days at a time. > > Additionally it can be run from anything that is at least a 486 with > 16-32MB RAM. X-Terms usually only need the amount they come with. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The technology that is Stronger, better, faster: Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: moving from woody to sarge
And I want to pass from Testing to Stable ;( Very difficult and without documentation in the bellow links. Regards. linux escribió: sorry, should have explicitly stated that one reason for the move from woody to sarge is that the former doesn't recognise my Ethernet card so I cannot do installations over the network - Original Message - From: "Jerome BENOIT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: moving from woody to sarge A sound idea is to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html first. hth, Jerome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, I'm going to take the plunge and forget about using ''woody'' & trying to upgrade the kernel (too many dependencies issues) and go str for ''sarge''... so, I presume I might as well just wipe the current (non-WinXP!) partitions and start from scratch -- does that make sense? -- Dr. Jerome BENOIT room A2-26 Complexo Interdisciplinar da U. L. Av. Prof. Gama Pinto, 2 P-1649-003 Lisboa, Portugal email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WiFi
Can anybody expand the list of native WiFi cards and WiFi (USB) boxes ??. See : http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List?action=edit Regards. Alvin Oga escribiÃ: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Gilbert, Joseph wrote: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ I haven't had a chance to work with it yet. Has anyone else done anything with this driver wrapper? http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net does the same thing and is free/GPL'd whereas, linuxant is you have to pay or else you'd need to know make/install or apt-get - or - pay linuxant $20 for not wanting to do apt-get :-) - problem is bug fixes and if it doesn't work "right" ... oh boy .. now what .. humm .. file a bug report, try to patch it, buy a another wifi card that is supported natively on linux c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How Do I Disable Bonding On 2.4.26 Kernel?
At Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:36:42 -0500, joseph tiraco wrote: > > Installed the 2.4.26 kernel several weeks ago, and I like it a lot. But > "BONDING" was accidentally turned on when compiling a module for my second > Ethernet card. I have 2 nic cards - one connects to Verizon DSL and the > other connects to my home LAN. The network went down on the first reboot > after the compile. A mysterious third Ethernet driver labeled bond.o > appeared, enslaved my 2 nic cards and was trying to "LOAD BALANCE" my home > LAN and DSL connection. Now neither works, but the 2 nic cards are properly > installed - sort of like "the operation was a success but the patient died." > I read the Bonding.Txt at /usr/src/linux and the Bonding How To which has a > lot about bringing bonding up, but nothing about how to turn it off. > Anybody out there know how to disable bonding? I would like my DSL back. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > Happy Holidays --joe > Check if you have the ifenslave package installed. That contains the user space tools to enable bonding, removing that will probably disable bonding. Also try "grep -rsn bond /etc/network/" to see if you have the bonding interface defined. > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > +++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendmail Related
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Re: Knoppix & Swap
Have you run mkswap /dev/hda2? That did it! Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix & Swap
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 01:46:51PM +, Jean-Michel Hiver wrote: > > OK I have added this: > > # Added by me > /dev/hda2 swapswapdefaults0 0 > > And then I do: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jhiver# swapon -a > swapon: /dev/hda2: Argument invalide > > Any ideas? > Have you run mkswap /dev/hda2? Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 My haircut is totally traditional! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Knoppix & Swap
Have you verified via `free -m` if the swap partition wasn't even mounted? I don't think it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 249188 60 0 32129 -/+ buffers/cache: 26222 Swap:0 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# An fdisk utility would see if the swap partition exists. Here is what I get: Disk /dev/hda: 20.4 GB, 20491075584 bytes 240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2646 cylinders Units = cylinders of 15120 * 512 = 7741440 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 1232517576968+ 83 Linux /dev/hda223262646 2426760 82 Linux swap man 8 swapon. Add an fstab entry to automatically mount it everytime your machine boots up, e.g.: /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 OK I have added this: # Added by me /dev/hda2 swapswapdefaults0 0 And then I do: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jhiver# swapon -a swapon: /dev/hda2: Argument invalide Any ideas? Cheers, Jean-Michel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix & Swap
--On Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:58 + Jean-Michel Hiver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi List, I have installed knoppix with knx2hd but it doesn't seem to be using swap. I was wondering: - What tool can I use to make sure the swap partition exists? Two things must be in order for knoppix to use an existing swap partition, first it must be setup as a correct type (0x82 I believe is the Linux Swap type...that or 83, I'm getting slow tonight already) and second you must run mkswap on the partition (after a reboot of course to make sure the kernel reads the new table) to put the swapspace signature on it. After you've done this reboot again or use swapon. - What do I need to do to "mount" the swap, or rather let linux know that it should use the swap partition? Cheers, Jean-Michel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Undocumented Features quote of the moment... "It's not the one bullet with your name on it that you have to worry about; it's the twenty thousand-odd rounds labeled `occupant.'" --Murphy's Laws of Combat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How Do I Disable Bonding On 2.4.26 Kernel?
Installed the 2.4.26 kernel several weeks ago, and I like it a lot. But "BONDING" was accidentally turned on when compiling a module for my second Ethernet card. I have 2 nic cards - one connects to Verizon DSL and the other connects to my home LAN. The network went down on the first reboot after the compile. A mysterious third Ethernet driver labeled bond.o appeared, enslaved my 2 nic cards and was trying to "LOAD BALANCE" my home LAN and DSL connection. Now neither works, but the 2 nic cards are properly installed - sort of like "the operation was a success but the patient died." I read the Bonding.Txt at /usr/src/linux and the Bonding How To which has a lot about bringing bonding up, but nothing about how to turn it off. Anybody out there know how to disable bonding? I would like my DSL back. Any help greatly appreciated. Happy Holidays --joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix & Swap
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:58:36 +, Jean-Michel Hiver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > > I have installed knoppix with knx2hd but it doesn't seem to be using > swap. I was wondering: Have you verified via `free -m` if the swap partition wasn't even mounted? > - What tool can I use to make sure the swap partition exists? An fdisk utility would see if the swap partition exists. > - What do I need to do to "mount" the swap, or rather let linux know > that it should use the swap partition? > man 8 swapon. Add an fstab entry to automatically mount it everytime your machine boots up, e.g.: /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 -- Paolo Alexis Falcone [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forward all mail in mbox to new email address
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:47:07PM -0800, ThanhVu Nguyen wrote:
> I have a large number of emails stored in a mbox file
> and I read these mails from mutt. I'd like to forward
> *each* one of them to a new email address (not as a
> big attachment). I can forward one by one manually
> but I am looking for a way that automates this
> process. Anyone can help me out here ?
>
After creating some rule with procmail, the existing mbox can be
processed as follows:
1. cd Mail
# or the directory where mbox or the mail is
2. mv mbox xyz
# this prevents problems, since the rule may send some email to mbox,
# that is, most likely it will
3. cat xyz | formail -s procmail
# See man formail, man procmailrc, man procmail, etc.
Example of recipe:
:0
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
{
:0 c
! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
}
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