Disappearing text in Mozilla

[Mitja Podreka]

hello

I have problems viewing some pages with Mozilla. For example this one:
http://www.sajeta.org/index.php?neki=x&x=delavnice

Parts of text just disappear if I scroll down the page with mouse wheel 
or use scroll-bar too quickly.  If I use PageUp/Down keys or use 
scroll-bar slowly it is OK.


The text appears when I click a link or if I select it with a mouse.

Any Idea how to solve this problem?

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comments about hardware

[Faheem Mitha]

Dear People,

My bioinformatics research group at Duke is buying a server, which will 
mostly be used as a server, particularly for web based services. The idea 
here is that a user will submit a request for some bioinformatics 
calculation via a web interface (often using Python or R or similar), the 
server does the calculation, and returns it as a web page.


None of us are experts about recent hardware, so would appreciate any 
feedback about hardware specs.


The following quote is from Monarch Computers.

We plan to run Linux on this. It has not yet been decided yet what, but it 
seems most likely that it will be either some Red Hat variant (Fedora 
Core, CentOS), or Debian (possibly Ubuntu).


Ok, so here are some specific questions.

1) Dual core Opterons first came on the market in April. The sales rep 
said that AMD Dual Core Opterons did not work with Fedora Core. Since they 
only install Fedora and SuSE, they had no info about Debian. Any idea what 
the status is here? How well are they supported, and how stably do they 
run under Linux?


Also, I was told that a dual core Opteron, which is somewhat more than 
twice the cost two regular Opterons of similar speed, is not equivalent to 
two regular Opterons in functionality. Can anyone point me to information 
about this, or offer a comment?


2) I'm wondering if the listed motherboard is the best choice. I see it 
listed in 
http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/27/mainboards.html


We are looking for the motherboard that has the least known issues. 
Preferably something that will work right out of the box.


Google found me http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2004/09/msg00443.html
but would be interested in other reports.

The specs are here 
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8spro_spec.html


It looks like both the graphics card and the ethernet cards are onboard. 
Looks like the graphics card is ATI RAGE XL PCI, which supposedly works 
with the 'ati' driver. Is this under XFree 4.3?


The ethernet cards are an Intel Ethernet Pro 100, which supposedly works 
with the e100 driver and a Gigabit Broadcom which works with the tg3 
driver. There seem to be two cards here. Is that correct?


I'm kinda allergic to onboard cards. They are often trouble.

Has anyone had experience with Debian Sarge installation with this? Does 
anyone have a board to suggest that they prefer to this?


3) I'm also wondering if peple have thoughts about the RAID setup. The rep 
said he would be using RAID 1, but I see RAID 10 is listed. I'll have to 
check on this. Anyway, assuming this corresponds to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks#RAID_10 
with each RAID 1 set as two drives, and 4 RAID 1 sets striped together, 
does this seem reasonable?


Thanks.Faheem.

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Monarch Empro Custom 2U Rack S   1.0075.00   75.00

RMC2K2-9I-XPSS,2U,8 Bays,SATA,   1.00   725.00   725.00

AIC 2U Riser Card/Rear Window1.00   112.00   112.00

Tyan S2882G3NR-D Dual Socket94   1.00   394.00   394.00

Amd OSA265FAA6CB Dual Core Opt   2.00   851.00 1,702.00

Thermal Grease, Shin-Etsu G675   2.0014.0028.00

THERMALTAKE A1838 AMD Opteron2.0025.0050.00

WESTERN DIGITAL 250 GB 2500JD1.00   115.00   115.00

3WARE Escalade 9500S-8 - 8-por   1.00   485.00   485.00

RAID 10 Setup1.0025.0025.00

WESTERN DIGITAL 250 GB 2500JD8.00115.00  920.00

SONY DWD-56A 8X4X2.4 DVD RW+/-   1.00129.00  129.00

SUSE Linux 9.3 Professional Ed   1.00 92.00   92.00

24/7 TECH SUPPORT+ONSITE 3 YR.   1.00199.00  199.00

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Freight:  75.00
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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Mitja Podreka]

Paul Johnson wrote:

  On Sunday July 17 2005 5:53 pm, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
  
  
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:28:55PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:


  Please *READ* what you're being told.  It says cdrecord won't run
as root, and running k3bsetup will solve the problem.  Why is
that hard to understand?
  

I realize you're trying to avoid getting the list
overwhelmed with newbie complaints, but I'd urge you to
think about how many newbie users are going to get scared
away from even asking for help if people are mean to them --
as I think you were, above. Ditto calling them 'lusers.' Do
you want to get new users to Linux, or not?

  
  
Yes.  However, I don't see any reason for anyone in any market to 
cater to the totally clueless without paying for it.  I'll gladly 
point out the obvious for newbies at a negotiable but fair rate of 
$15/hr and be friendly about it.

  

If you are an experienced Debian user then just don't bother with this
kind of questions. Leave them to be  answered by less experienced users
(like me), who want to start contributing to Debian comunity. For me it
is not difficult to help a lost newbie in Debian world, since I was the
same not long ago. This way we all share a part of
responsability/pleasure for helping Debian users and thus making Debian
community more useful and friendly.
When his questions become more difficult then you can jump in and solve
the problem.

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Douglas Ward]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:24, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Dear friends:
>
> The question has come up whether K3b should be run as user or as root.
> After being admonished not to run it as root, I changed my setting back to
> user. Now, when I tried to run it, I got an error message from the author
> urging me to run it as root only. Here is the screenshot:
>
> http://www.websher.net/temp/k3b1.jpg
>
> I knew I had seen this message before but couldn't quite recall during our
> brief discussion of this issue on the list. Fortunately, we can now see it
> again. So, I am back to running K3b as root.
>
> Benjamin

It says:
Solution: Use K3BSeup . . .

This means:
Run K3BSetup as root. Clicking on it (in the K3B menu, or somewhere in a KDE 
Kmenu system/utilities folder) should ask for a password. If not, log in as 
root (or, open a Konsole/Terminal, type 'su', enter the password, and type 
k3bsetup.

Hmm. . . I just checked my Ubuntu install of K3B and do not see the k3bsetup 
program anywhere. In Debian, apt-cache search k3b, and see if k3bsetup is 
listed.

What k3bsetup does:
sets permissions on your cd writer
sets setuid bit for cdrecord

Not Needed (unless you have an old system)
Why? cdrecord is run as root to prevent buffer underruns--coasters--but, 2.6 
kernels (esp. with post 2002 systems) do a decent job of preventing coasters 
without help from a superuserID cdrecord. 
Does cdrecord need suid bit (to allow it to run as root)? The advice I have 
seen a while back says it is not needed as much as it once was. (I believe 
part of the issue used to be the interaction of cdrecord with the 2.4 kernel 
scheduler. The 2.6 kernel scheduler--notably preempt--fixed some of the issue 
that caused recommendations that cdrecord be run as root.)


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Re: The art of turboing (was: Re: OT: Windoze spyware?)

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 18:31 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 06:19:41PM -0700, Karsten M. Self 
> (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> > on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:47:17AM -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 02:32 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > > on Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:34:53PM -0400, Marty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > > > >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 08:52:55PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > > [snip]
[snip]
> I believe the shorthand reference for this is "applying a sufficiently
> large cluebat".

That's not a clue *bat*, that's a clue carpet bombing...

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Re: KDE 3.4 in unstable

[Brendon Lloyd Higgins]

kamaraju kusumanchi wrote (Monday 18 July 2005 12:27 am):
> Roby wrote:
> >Hamster wrote:
> >deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1 ./
>
> Whenever someone suggests a third party repository, please add a note
> saying that it is not official Debian and there might be problems
> installing/using it. Perhaps the OP might know about it. But people
> reading the archives on google might not.

It'd probably be reasonably accurate to call it a"semi-official" repository. 
After all, it is maintained by the actual KDE Debian packagers.

Peace,
Brendon


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Re: Debian or Ubuntu Dilemma

[Douglas Ward]

On Saturday 16 July 2005 10:11, Bernie Betlach wrote:
> I'm new to Linux but have a little programming experience.  Which should I
> install Ubuntu or Debian???
>
> Thanks   I appreciate your opinions and advice.
>
> Bernie

Advice:
Create a separate partition for /home ;
If you ever need to reinstall (or want to try another distro), this allows you 
to reinstall without deleting your personal data. (When reinstalling, just 
make sure you tell the installer where /home resides.)
(/home is where all your documents, music and the like will be stored, so make 
it as large as possible.)

- - -

Here are my thoughts on the distros:

Less Maintenance - - - - > More Maintenance
Debian Stable < Ubuntu < Debian Testing/Unstable < Any Distro w/mutt packaging
(Less Flexible - - - - > More Flexible)

- - -
Wants and Distro:
- - -
Bleeding Edge Features:
You'll eventually have to compile a few packages with any distro (from Debian 
to Gentoo)

Playground: Debian

Long-Term Playground: Debian

Usability Playground: Ubuntu

Consistent Needs: Ubuntu

Rarely Play: Debian Stable

- - -

Ubuntu seems to be a good balance if its default install does almost 
everything you need, and you like to be somewhat current. It promises 6-month 
stable release cycles that will keep you working with updated versions of the 
default tools. These 6-month upgrades are similar to the Debian stable 
releases--fairly painless upgrades.
Debian stable is good if its default install and (stable/Sarge) repositories 
almost does everything you need, and you do not mind using useful, but old 
packages. (These old packages are updated for security reasons.) I mention 
old packages because stable releases of Debian have occurred once every few 
years.
Debian unstable/testing is good if you like to install current, new programs 
often, and do not mind taking time to fix things that break. Upgrades are 
sometimes painful, especially if you aggressively update the system (e.g. 
install new sid packages during a C++ ABI transition, or get unofficial xorg 
packages). Personally, I believe Debian unstable is the closest to Gentoo if 
you want to be bleeding edge; it seems to have more non-official repositories 
of bleeding edge packages than any distro I've seen.

- - -

Rule for Having No Trouble with Linux:
When everything is working, change nothing--not even for fun!!!
(Each change is another step away from a default install.)

Ha--that isn't very practical. So, here are some tips:

Good Housekeeping:
* A separate /home partition allows for less painful emergency reinstalls.
* Do as much as you can with the default (stable) repositories--what's offered 
in Synaptic. Be weary of non-official repositories, especially for critical 
system functions. (Often, problems occur when one has been using non-official 
packages, Debian suddenly offers the same packages, and one must remove some 
of the non-official packages to install the Debian packages.) 
* Keep any changes you make to the system separate from the system defaults. 
If you compile any programs, put them in /usr/local/bin or some other special 
directory. If you hand-edit configuration files, do two things: keep a copy 
of all your personally changes files together AND keep a backup of the system 
defaults (even if the backup is as simple as renaming foobar to 
foobar-debian). (Keeping all of your personal changes together will save you 
a lot of time when you want to reinstall, apply the changes to another 
machine, or simply remember what you've done.)

Ubuntu:
* See what Synaptic offers before looking for other package repositories
Debian Stable:
* See what the default repositories offer before looking for non-official 
packages
Debian Unstable:
* learn apt-get, dpkg, and how to force package installs and removals with 
both dpkg and apt-get
* install package debfoster

If you plan to compile your own packages to stay as current as possible (e.g., 
tracking KDE SVN HEAD), plan to spend time learning how to manage your custom 
installed programs (or packages) along side system packages. If you plan to 
use external repositories (non-Debian or non-Ubuntu official) to stay as 
current as possible, plan to spend time working out package conflicts. (If 
you plan to do this, Debian will be best because it seems to have smoother 
non-official packages than Ubuntu.)

- - -
I saved personal testimony for last. I've used Debian for years, and love 
having up-to-date software. I went to Debian unstable and would always spend 
a little bit of time fixing this or that when a big update (or self-imposed 
change) came around. I've installed Ubuntu on several computers for people 
who are new to GNU/Linux, and there were very few problems; they have working 
hardware and up-to-date software with no hitches. I now use Ubuntu (or, the 
kubuntu-desktop meta package) on my desktop (as even 10 year release cycles 
are fine for my servers), and have had the same trouble-free experience I saw 
on the other computers

Re: How Can I Schedule A Perl Script?

[Michael Ott]

Hello

> I have a perl script that needs to be runned each 30
> minutes, how can I do this? Can I use cron? If so what
> would the configuration line would be? The path to the
> script is /home/user/doc/id.pl
You can use cron
crontab -e as normal user and
0,30 * * * * /home/user/doc/id.pl

or you can use sleep
sleep EXPR
sleep
Causes the script to sleep for EXPR seconds, or forever if no EXPR.
May be interrupted by sending the process a SIGALRM. Returns the 
number of seconds actually slept. You probably cannot mix alarm()
and sleep() calls, because sleep() is often implemented using 
alarm().

On some older systems, it may sleep up to a full second less than
what you requested, depending on how it counts seconds. Most modern
systems always sleep the full amount.

For delays of finer granularity than one second, you may use Perl's
syscall() interface to access setitimer(2) if your system supports
it, or else see select() below.

See also the POSIX module's sigpause() function. 

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Re: sid, synaptic and pinned package

[Michael Ott]

Hello Paul!

> > How can i unlock this package?
> 
> Good luck!
Thanks

> This is why you should never use apt-pinning unless you 
> know for sure what you're doing (ie, active developer).
I used pinning using the /etc/apt/preferences file but using it with
synaptic was a mistake. But in the above file there is no new entry. 

That is strange

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Re: set language in bash

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 12:40:15AM +0200, Vegard|drageV wrote:
> On 7/17/05, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:49:57PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:29:46PM +0200, Vegard|drageV wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an
> > > > errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language
> > > > is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to
> > > > english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do
> > > > this?
> > >
> > > First let's get some terminology. The 'bash language' is
> > > better known as the 'locale', which combines all of the
> > > various language settings from a different geographic area:
> > > the language, character encoding, etc. To change your
> > > locale, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'.
> > >
> > > However, you should be able to email us the contents of any
> > > apt-get error message, just by pasting it into your email
> > > client. That doesn't work for you?
> > >
> > > If you're using vim, you could also output the error message
> > > directly into the editor within command mode like so:
> > >
> > > :r !apt-get [whatever you told apt-get to do]
> > >
> > 
> > I'm an English only person, so I have no experience with the
> > extent of the localization of various packages in Debian, but
> > is it possible that the error message that is troubling OP
> > is coming out in Norwegian? If it is, the level of understanding
> > of that message on this list will be somewhat limited.
> > 
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>  Sorry for not being clear of what is the problem... The errormessage
> itself behaves correclty, but it is written in norwegian wich is not
> understood by most debian-user readersm therefor I needed to get the
> message in english to post it here.
> 
> The hints I got worked, thanks for the help, 
> 
Hi V,
IIUC, you can prefix one of the locale variables to a command to change
them.
this is my 'locale' info:
LANG=en_US
LC_CTYPE="en_US"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US"
LC_TIME="en_US"
LC_COLLATE="en_US"
LC_MONETARY="en_US"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US"
LC_PAPER="en_US"
LC_NAME="en_US"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US"
LC_ALL=

So IIUC, doing this should make 'spanish' mesages:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DOCUMENTS/IMAGES/DIA$ LC_MESSAGES="es_ES" ls ddd
ls: ddd: No existe el fichero o el directorio

So IIUC, doing this should make 'spanish' mesages:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/DOCUMENTS/IMAGES/DIA$ LC_MESSAGES="es_US" ls ddd
ls: ddd: No such file or directory

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Re: failing to upgrade udev

[Ms Linuz]

Thomas Hood wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:50:03 -0500, Brad Sims wrote:
>  
>
>>That kind of BS is why I stopped using  $commercial_linux_distro. It's 
>>unstable
>>I can accept broken packages due to ABI transitions but making a critical part
>>depend on sudo-vaporware smacks of the Beast of Redmond.
>>
>>
>
>
>Why did you think Debian would be any better.  In fact, Debian is worse
>because maintainers are sovereign.  So maintainers can do whatever they
>want, no matter how stupid, and/or they can leave bugs unfixed for
>years and there is nothing that anyone else can do about it.
>
>  
>


>Get ubuntu.  Much less bad than raw Debian.
>
>  
>
or get windows ;-)
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size of wiki.debian.net

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

I see a large potential for wiki.debian.net in the future as the Debian 
base grows continuously. But having a cursory look through the wiki, I 
could not figure out how much stuff it currently holds. I think it would 
be a good idea to display atleast the following statistics.


How many pages are there.
The size of wiki.debian.net say in Mb.

I know there is a lot of randomness in the above two quanties as wiki 
changes continuously over time. But atleast we can display the 
documentation at a fixed time (say every month on the very first day). I 
would have done it myself, but I have no idea how to do it. Any ideas? 
Has it already been done somewhere else?


thanks
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Problems with a Java Application

[pvbedu-debian]

I've just unpacked Azureus, a torrent client, in my
home directory, when I try run it I get this:

Starting Azureus...
Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java =
Kaffe]
You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from
http://java.sun.com
ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/ 
hierarchy
You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from
http://java.sun.com

I installed the jre from sun's site in my home
directory and changed the path in azureus to point to
the correct path, but nothing the difference is that

OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/ 
hierarchy

becomes

OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /home/user/java 
hierarchy

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot,
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Re: How to check ARP cheat in Lan.

[Anders Breindahl]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 16:32, 不坏阿峰 wrote:
 >  Maybe arp cheat i called is correct, i think you can understand. thx
 >
 > i found some software that used in the company for Lan monitor,first it
 > can sniffer,and second it can control to stop some computer outing to
 > internet . i find some details and guess it may be use arp cheat to
 > prevent the computer outing to internet. is it right?
 >
 > whether is there a software to check the arp cheating in the Lan. thx

I am sorry, but I am afraid I don't understand what you're asking. Perhaps you 
could provide more information?

What is the relevant software called? Is it run on your company's router or 
just on a host behind the router? Could you attempt describing ``ARP 
cheating'' better?

Regards, Anders Breindahl.


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dhcp problem

[ankur . kumar]

I got my broadband setup and my provider uses DHCP and I have a intelligent router (modem).

I installed dhcpcd as dhcp client and it works fine except that it couldnt get right nameservers and
hence resolving host name takes lot of time.

If I put nameservers (I got it from my provider) in /etc/resolv.conf, it works fine. But the problem is
when I login as different user, it shows different nameserver in networking. 
Do I have to configure nameserver for every user on my system?

I'm using debian sarge 3.1.
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Re: KDE 3.4 in unstable

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:27:02AM -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> I have seen too many cases, where people start using 3rd party 
> repositories and complain about Debian's instability.

The clueless should never be using unstable in the first place.  Or
unofficial archives if they're using stable.

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printing in Debian/need unstable users opinion

[Kevin Mark]

Hi users of 'unstable' Debian:
The included messages was posted to the debian-devel mailing list. It
outlines some of the issues with the upcomming transition from gimpprint
to gutenprint. I want to know if this kind of messages would be useful to other
users of 'unstable' for this and other transitions that are being done
in 'unstabe' (ie. the xfree->xorg and gnome 2.8->2.10) I think it would
be a great service to those testing debian and those using unstable to
get the 'heads up' as to what is about to break or what is about to
change. Kinds of like a weather report of impending tsumanis. I would
propose an 'annouce-only' list as debian-user and the BTS are places to
discuss things. There are folks who say that users of unstable should
just take what comes their way and should be expected to read every
known mailing list to find out what is happening in Debian. But I think
this would be an easy way for the Developers to let us know whats
comming in a short email, instead of having millions of users to scratching 
their
heads and googling for hours to explain what just happened.
Any thoughts? 
Cheers,
Kev

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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:13:17 +0100
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Hi folks,

Gutenprint (the new name for Gimp-Print 5.0) will enter unstable
today, and a number of changes come with it.

I have made a great deal of effort to ensure smooth upgrades, and it
was uploaded to experimental two weeks ago for further testing, but
there may be rough edges.  Please report any problems during or after
the upgrade to debian-printing, or file bugs against the appropriate
packages.

* CUPS (cupsys-driver-gimpprint) users should upgrade without problems
  (there's a dummy transitional package).  They might need to tweak
  the printer settings by hand afterwards.  If the colour balance is
  way out, you might want to replace the PPD with a new one (the
  settings are preserved from the old PPD, but these may no longer be
  optimal).

* ijsgimpprint users will be transitioned to ijsgutenprint with a
  dummy transition package.  However, any ijsgimpprint-using scripts
  or programs *will break*, due to the binary being renamed to
  ijsgutenprint.5.0.  These will need fixing.

* LPRng users may have problems, depending on their filter setup.
  Users of the gs 'stp' filter should switch to 'ijs' with the
  'ijsgutenprint.5.0' IJS server.  Users of the ijsgimpprint driver
  should switch to ijsgutenprint.5.0.

* Foomatic users should install the new Foomatic data
  (foomatic-db-gutenprint).  This does not yet conflict or replace the
  old foomatic-db-gimp-print, but may do so in the future if there is
  a need.

* gs-gpl and gs-esp *must* remove the STP patch.  If they don't, they
  will shortly FTBFS after libgimpprint1-dev is removed.

  There also appears to be an issue with the IJS driver: it won't
  allow the use of a symlink to a binary as the IJS server name.  The
  Gutenprint IJS server is installed as /usr/bin/ijsgutenprint.5.0.,
  but a symlink is provided as /usr/bin/ijsgutenprint for convenience
  (packagers should always use the versioned name).

* apsfilter must remove the STP option (currently marked deprecated),
  and the ijsgimpprint option must be renamed to ijsgutenprint.

The maintainer of the ijs and gutenprint source packages has been
changed to "Debian Printing Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>".
I am currently the only Uploader, but I would like to get them group
maintained, so any printing maintainers who are interested in either
should get in touch.

I would also highly recommend any maintainers of printing or
printing-related packages to subscribe to debian-printing.


Regards,
Roger

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Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner

[Brian Pack]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:54 pm, Mike wrote:
> roach wrote:
> >SUPRISE!
> >
> >See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets
> > continue...
> >
> >I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to
> > your SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only
> > connect a harddrive and therefore only support harddrives.
> >
> >What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind
> > have you tried on the other?
> >
> >BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and
> >found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-(
>
> Amazing! My first response to this question out of all the times I've
> even brought it up! Thank you!
>
> lspci shows it as this;
> :01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD
> Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)



> I have 2 DVD drives, the burner and the DVD rom on my IDE controller. I
> just can't seem to find the SATA DVD burner which I believe is due to it
> not being there. I'm kind of lost but I *think* it is just ignoring that
> its there. By the looks of it to me, it looks like it should be
> detecting just fine, giving me my sd* that I can use with it. But None
> of that seems to be happening. And I'm sort of lost.

According to the July Maximum PC (page 62), There are issues with 3rd party 
SATA chips on motherboards when it comes to optical drives. The Silicon Image 
chip would be one of those. They did not have very good results with the 
Silicon Image 3112 or 3114 controllers. 

I assume you've visited this page? 
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_712SA.htm

You may need to tweak your BIOS to get it to work.

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Thanks for help with k3b

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

My thanks to all of you who were kind enough to share your 
expertise in helping a Debian newbie resolve the k3b user vs. root 
issue. I'm sure I'll have a change somewhere along the line to 
help someone else with the same problem.

Learning something new every day.

Thanks again.

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Re: How Can I Schedule A Perl Script?

[Anders Breindahl]

On Monday 18 July 2005 04:55, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
 > Caveat: if this job needs to run with root privileges, then
 > you'll need to edit the global crontab in /etc/crontab.

Unless I'm mistaken, root should rather add her custom cronjobs to her own 
crontab by running `crontab -e` herself. Works for me, anyhow.

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How Can I Schedule A Perl Script?

[Eduardo B. V. Pereira]

I have a perl script that needs to be runned each 30
minutes, how can I do this? Can I use cron? If so what
would the configuration line would be? The path to the
script is /home/user/doc/id.pl
I'm running a stable sarge.

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Re: Pinnacle pctv stereo no sound

[Wang Xu]

> Hi,
> 
> I'm using debian sarge with kernel 2.6.8. I have problem getting sound
> to work for my tv tuner which is Pinnacle Pctv stereo with saa7134
> chipset. I have the internal audio connector connected to Aux in on my
> sound card. I can get the picture but there is no sound, just a
> background noise. When installing the modules I do this:
> 
> #modporbe bttv card=1
> #modprobe tuner type=5
> #modprobe saa7134
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> 
Have you had tvaudio module loaded?

And try signal source TV(mono) rather than TV might help. I've
never used this card, so can not give more info.

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Re: How Can I Schedule A Perl Script?

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:48:49PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a perl script that needs to be runned each 30
> minutes, how can I do this? Can I use cron? If so what
> would the configuration line would be? The path to the
> script is /home/user/doc/id.pl
> I'm running a stable sarge.

Yes, you'll use cron. To get a job to run at the 1st and
30th minute of every hour, type 'crontab -e' to edit your
own cron jobs (but see caveat below), then type

1,30 * * * * /home/user/doc/id.pl

The editor for cron files is whatever you've set in your
EDITOR environment variable -- emacs or vim or nano or
whatever.

Caveat: if this job needs to run with root privileges, then
you'll need to edit the global crontab in /etc/crontab.

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Paul Johnson]

On Sunday July 17 2005 5:53 pm, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:28:55PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Please *READ* what you're being told.  It says cdrecord won't run
> > as root, and running k3bsetup will solve the problem.  Why is
> > that hard to understand?
>
> I realize you're trying to avoid getting the list
> overwhelmed with newbie complaints, but I'd urge you to
> think about how many newbie users are going to get scared
> away from even asking for help if people are mean to them --
> as I think you were, above. Ditto calling them 'lusers.' Do
> you want to get new users to Linux, or not?

Yes.  However, I don't see any reason for anyone in any market to 
cater to the totally clueless without paying for it.  I'll gladly 
point out the obvious for newbies at a negotiable but fair rate of 
$15/hr and be friendly about it.

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I have a perl script that needs to be runned each 30
minutes, how can I do this? Can I use cron? If so what
would the configuration line would be? The path to the
script is /home/user/doc/id.pl
I'm running a stable sarge.

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Re: PostgreSQL 8.0 bug or my own stupidity?

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:41:24PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (11/07/05 15:52), Tom wrote:
> > Hey ho,
> > 
> > A couple of days ago, I wanted to start using PostgreSQL instead of
> > MySQL. Figuring Debian packages mostly function properly out of the
> > box, a source installation seemed not worth the trouble, so I apt-get
> > installed postgresql-8.0.
> > 
> > Everything seemed fine at first, but when I tried to take the approach
> > with the five steps for the impatient, as described in README.Debian.gz
> > in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/, things just won't work out...
> > 
> > The second step would be to open a shell for the postgres user, after
> > that, I should "createuser -A -D ", but here's how that
> > goes:
> > 
> > [16:44:30 tom ~] su -c "su postgres"
> > Password:
> > [16:44:41 tom ~] createuser -A -D tom
> > createuser: could not connect to database template1: FATAL:  user "tom"
> > does not exist
> > [16:44:53 tom ~]

try (as root):
# su - postgres

> Not really answering your question directly nor being in anyway expert
> having just installed postgresql for the first time just recently, I did
> the following as postgres:
> 
> $ psql 
> 
> and then created created users using SQL.
> 
> In theory it should work from the command line but I never tried it.
 
Handy is 'psql dbname -f somefile'
where dbname is your database and somefile holds the SQL commands.

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SD card only mounts after fdisk?

[Carl Fink]

I have a card reader built into my new PC that detects SD cards as
/dev/sda.  Normally my fstab entry lets me mount them as a normal user.
That's:


/dev/sda1   /media/sd   vfatrw,user 0   0


Sometimes (like just now), though, instead mount reports:


mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist


The interesting thing is, if as root I "fdisk /dev/sda" and the hit "p",
and "q", mounting works again.

Is this a bug in mount?  In the SCSI subsystem?  I'm ignorant here, it's
quite possible it's some subtle mistake I'm making.

Any suggestions appreciated.
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Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner

[Mike]

roach wrote:


SUPRISE!

See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets continue...

I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to your 
SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only connect a 
harddrive and therefore only support harddrives.


What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind have 
you tried on the other?


BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and 
found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-(


 

Amazing! My first response to this question out of all the times I've 
even brought it up! Thank you!


lspci shows it as this;
:01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD 
Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)


lsmod shows it loaded;
libata 48068  2 sata_nv,sata_sil

The board is an nforce2 Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe

dmesg
libata version 1.10 loaded.
sata_sil version 0.8
ACPI: PCI interrupt :01:0b.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, high) -> IRQ 217
ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xF8AA4080 ctl 0xF8AA408A bmdma 0xF8AA4000 
irq 217
ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xF8AA40C0 ctl 0xF8AA40CA bmdma 0xF8AA4008 
irq 217

ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[1-00:1023]  GUID[00023c01510ef10c]
ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[1-01:1023]  GUID[000a2700141f1a42]
ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new 
root node and resetting...

ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]  GUID[00e018b04941]
eth1394: $Rev: 1224 $ Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)
eth1394: eth2: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host1)
ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82: 83: 84: 85: 86: 87: 
88:001f

ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/66
ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/66
scsi0 : sata_sil
ieee1394: Node changed: 1-01:1023 -> 1-00:1023
ieee1394: Node changed: 1-00:1023 -> 1-01:1023
ata2: no device found (phy stat )
scsi1 : sata_sil

Then there is this; (these should be my 3 ports on my flash card 
reader I think)

cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Attached devices:
Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
 Vendor: Generic  Model: STORAGE DEVICE   Rev: 0228
 Type:   Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02
Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01
 Vendor: Generic  Model: STORAGE DEVICE   Rev: 0228
 Type:   Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02
Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 02
 Vendor: Generic  Model: STORAGE DEVICE   Rev: 0228
 Type:   Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02



I have 2 DVD drives, the burner and the DVD rom on my IDE controller. I 
just can't seem to find the SATA DVD burner which I believe is due to it 
not being there. I'm kind of lost but I *think* it is just ignoring that 
its there. By the looks of it to me, it looks like it should be 
detecting just fine, giving me my sd* that I can use with it. But None 
of that seems to be happening. And I'm sort of lost.


Thanks Again,

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Re: The art of turboing (was: Re: OT: Windoze spyware?)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 06:19:41PM -0700, Karsten M. Self 
(kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:47:17AM -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 02:32 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > on Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:34:53PM -0400, Marty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > > >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 08:52:55PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > Well, for a few months there (roughly March - May) it was inordinately
> > > popular among 419 spammers, with a handful of go.com MXs becoming my
> > > second leading spam source (following KORnet).  I managed to bring this
> > > to Disney's attention, the situation's improved markedly.
> > 
> > How the heck did you get a hold of them?
> 
> See:
> 
> http://www.leaders.net/for/Rick/art-of-turboing/
> 
> Googled on CIO/CTO, tested likely name combinations at their MX, and
> emailed _both_, thereby invoking any possible internal political issues
> between the two positions.  Copied a number of major news organizations,
> and pointing to my existing cites with The New York Times, Wired, and
> The Register.

...oh yeah, and filed a complaint with the Washington State AG's office,
as Go.com's MXs appear to be located in the Seattle area, mentioning
this in the email as well.


I believe the shorthand reference for this is "applying a sufficiently
large cluebat".


...checking...

No AS8137 (Infoseek) spam mails at all this month.


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Problems with netselect-apt

[pvbedu-debian]

When I run netselect-apt I get this error:

>netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably
>means that you are behind a firewall and it is
blocking >traceroute.

But I'm not using any firewall, at least I didn't
install any, does Debian installs it by default? I'm
running a Sarge stable release. I'm also using a DLink
router, a DI-624+, but I've set it to allow any
traffic from and to the computer I'm running
netselect-apt from. Any ideas?

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Re: Cups: canon backend hanging

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:22:19AM -0500, John Foster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sunday 17 July 2005 04:41 am, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > I've got a problem with the canon backend (which I don't use) hanging in
> > CUPs.  My load average is currently 13+, and there's nothing I can kill
> > to bring down the processes.
> >
> > $ ps aux | grep ' [D] '
> > root 19562  0.0  0.0   3388   576 ?DJul12   0:00
> > /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 19505  0.0  0.0   3388   576 ?   
> > DJul13   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  1960  0.0  0.0  
> > 3388   592 ?DJul14   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root
> > 21916  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00
> > /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  5799  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?   
> > DJul15   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  6417  0.0  0.0  
> > 3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 
> > 7555  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00
> > /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  6884  0.0  0.0   3388   764 ?   
> > DJul16   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 18238  0.0  0.0  
> > 3388   764 ?D01:35   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions for fixing this or (since I don't have a canon printer)
> > keeping the backend from running in the first place?
> >
> >
> > Peace.
> Hi, Karsten!
> I had the same problem recently & was only able to rid myself of 2 different 
> printer backends by completely  removing every vestige of any cups cache 
> files.

Where?

> I suspect that this is a bug at lest with kde and maybe with the 
> debian installer. 

I don't run KDE itself, though I use a few apps.  This is an existing
Debian install.

> I figure that the trick is in /var/log/cups  and /var/run/cups and
> /etc/cups being completely removed and using dpkg to force a reinstall
> of the cups system from a downloaded .deb file. If you try to remove
> cups the dependencies will totally screw up your system.  I was able
> to get rid of my old printer back ends using this process. However I
> have been unable to get my new Samsung ML-2250 to actually print
> correctly.  If you have any tips there please advise.

I rebooted :-(  50-day uptime and a few hours to search through
everything open and close it

The problem's gone away and not resurfaced, I'll advise if it does.


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The art of turboing (was: Re: OT: Windoze spyware?)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:47:17AM -0500, Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 02:32 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:34:53PM -0400, Marty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Carl Fink wrote:
> > > >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 08:52:55PM -0400, Marty wrote:
> [snip]
> > Well, for a few months there (roughly March - May) it was inordinately
> > popular among 419 spammers, with a handful of go.com MXs becoming my
> > second leading spam source (following KORnet).  I managed to bring this
> > to Disney's attention, the situation's improved markedly.
> 
> How the heck did you get a hold of them?

See:

http://www.leaders.net/for/Rick/art-of-turboing/

Googled on CIO/CTO, tested likely name combinations at their MX, and
emailed _both_, thereby invoking any possible internal political issues
between the two positions.  Copied a number of major news organizations,
and pointing to my existing cites with The New York Times, Wired, and
The Register.

Took another week or so, but they fixed it.

I've found that this method works remarkably well for getting issues
addressed.

My own ISP's no-op support has resulted in my directing issues directly
to its CTO as well, though I do give tier-one an opportunity to address
the issue, request escalation, and notify them that I will escalate
myself (with a full copy of all correspondence) if they don't.

Got my GSM Cingular phone unlocked (had been told it was roamable,
bought the Ericson World Phone specifically for that) when travelling in
Australia a few years ago with a similar trick.  Emailed
the CEO directly.  Phone call 5am the next morning (Sydney time).


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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:28:55PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Please *READ* what you're being told.  It says cdrecord won't run as 
> root, and running k3bsetup will solve the problem.  Why is that hard 
> to understand?

Hey Paul,

I realize you're trying to avoid getting the list
overwhelmed with newbie complaints, but I'd urge you to
think about how many newbie users are going to get scared
away from even asking for help if people are mean to them --
as I think you were, above. Ditto calling them 'lusers.' Do
you want to get new users to Linux, or not?

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Re: Can you launch URL from email application

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear David and friends:

May I ask if anyone else has a problem launching a URL from Kmail using 
Konqueror? Or a problem launching any URL from within Konqueror itself? 
I may be wrong but I don't think I ever got feedback on that question.

Is this just my problem or are others experiencing the same thing?

Benjamin


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Re: Can you launch URL from email application -- ipv6log data

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear David and friends:

Here is the data for ipv6log data that you asked me to create:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde$ ls
Autostart  cache-localhost  env  share  socket-localhost  tmp-localhost
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde$ cd env
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/env$ ls
ipv6.sh  ipv6.sh~
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/.kde/env$ 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cd /tmp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ ls
gconfd-sher  kde-sher  mapping-sher  orbit-sher
ipv6log  ksocket-sher  mcop-sher ssh-zSfKdL1824
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ cat ipv6log
Sun Jul 17 19:13:36 CDT 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ ls -l
total 28
drwx--  3 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:13 gconfd-sher
-rw-r--r--  1 sher sher   29 2005-07-17 19:13 ipv6log
drwx--  2 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:23 kde-sher
drwx--  2 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:32 ksocket-sher
srwxr-xr-x  1 sher sher0 2005-07-17 19:13 mapping-sher
drwx--  3 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:13 mcop-sher
drwx--  2 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:22 orbit-sher
drwx--  2 sher sher 4096 2005-07-17 19:13 ssh-zSfKdL1824
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$

Benjamin


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Re: Can you launch URL from email application -- Problem Isolated and "solved"

[Benjamin Sher]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 05:57, you wrote:
> > export KDE_NO_IPV6=1
> > in startkde or e.g. ~/.kde/env/ipv6.sh ?

Start konqueror, type 
$HOME/.kde
in the location bar, then Return.
Check if there's a directory called env (I guess not), or create it.
Enter that directory, right-click, new text file, name it ipv6.sh (the name 
doesn't matter though)
Edit that file with a text editor, and type

export KDE_NO_IPV6=1
date >> /tmp/ipv6log

Save. Right click the file, add "Execute" permission for all.
Log out, log back into KDE again.
You can check that the above worked by checking that /tmp/ipv6log was created 
during KDE login.

But if you get the slow loading on every website (including www.kde.org), the 
problem might not be ipv6

If you want to reinstall, reinstall kdelibs, that's where the network handling 
is.
But I kind of doubt it'll change anything

-- David Faure


Dear David:

I did as you instructed. No change. However, I have two more screenshots that 
might shed light on this issue:

http://www.websher.net/temp/kdelibs1.jpg
http://www.websher.net/temp/konqueror1.jpg

Please scroll down to the very bottom of the screenshot and you'll see both 
Konqueror AND Epiphany fighting it out in the taskbar. What could be the 
cause of this?

I did reinstall kdelibs and that didn't make any difference, but notice the 
presence of both kdelib3 and kdelib4. Is that a conflict? If so, does this 
have anythng to do with the issue?

I switched from sarge to etch two days ago and downloaded a lot of updates 
(using dselect) for an application that requires, I now realize, kde 3.4 
(Kradio). I never actually installed it.I configured it and trying to "make" 
it but it failed. So I deleted and installed the earlier kde 3.3 version, 
which installed fine. But when I first tried to install the kde3.4 version I 
used dselect, which told me that it had to download lots of new files and 
update about 190 others. But ALL were downloaded and installed from ETCH in 
apt-get, none from outside.

I am giving you all this info, not knowing whether it is relevant. I hope it 
is.

Thank you so much. Hope we can resolve this issue.

Benjamin


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Re: dselect install of deb package -- Where is it?

[Bill Marcum]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:39:03AM -0500, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Dear friends:
> 
> [Using Debian 3.1 Etch]
> 
> I am bit confused. I read up on dselect and dpkg online and decided to
> install a program called kradio with dselect. I downloaded the .deb
> available on the author's site. In fact, I downloaded an earlier and a
> later version:
> 
> kradio_0.3.0-snapshot-2004-02-28_i386.deb
> kradio_1.0beta1_kde34_i386.deb
> 
> I decided to play it safe by installing the earlier one. dselect downloaded 
> over 200 packages, mostly updated to make this possible. No problems. No 
> error messages, everything fine in Synaptic. 
> 
> I now proceeded to install the deb. First, the earlier one, then the
> later one (please remember that I am using the latest files from
> Etch).
> 
> But apparently, kradio never installed. I am perplexed by what the data below 
> mean:
> 
> localhost:/home/sher/DOWNLOADS# dselect install kradio_1.0beta1_kde34_i386.deb
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Do you want to erase any previously downloaded .deb files? [Y/n] y
> Press enter to continue.
> 
Use dpkg to install a .deb file.


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Re: exim4, sa-exim, clamav

[Clive Menzies]

On (17/07/05 19:33), Steve Å wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:59:05PM +0100 or thereabouts, Clive Menzies wrote:
> 
> Yes, I had all that enabled. I was thinking about this last evening,
> and decided
> what I was trying to do (reject spam at SMTP time), was quite brain dead.

No. It's not ;)  I'm doing it here using that reference I posted and it
works really well.  Many others on the list could confirm that it works.
> 
> What I mean, is that since I use a smarthost, and fetch e-mail with fetchmail,
> doing it with SMTP is rather silly. It's my understanding that perhaps it is
> appropriate more so for SMTP servers receiving and sending directly ? 

My setup is almost identical.  I installed exim4, sa-exim and clamav
originally on my workstation but have recently set up a mailserver as
per the notes I posted.  I've added greylistd and razor to the mix and
the volume of garbage I (and other users) receive has fallen markedly.

I've setup up the same for a client with similar results.

> So, I've decided to enable Spamassassin filtering with procmail.

I tried using procmail a long time ago and could never to get it to work
as expected; my inexperience, no doubt ;)

> I'm new to SA (I previously used Sarge's Spamprobe). I'm just about to figure
> out what's the differences between spamd, spamc, and running spamassassin.

It does take some understanding, how all these components work together
but I have to say, my understanding is limited but in spite of this, it
works.

> Thanks for your assistance -- This was a learning experience.

You're welcome ;)

Regards

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Benjamin Sher]

On 17 Jul 2005 at 12:29, Colin wrote:

> Benjamin Sher wrote:
> 
> > There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian. Each have many 
> > derivates. Xandros is one of at least 25 distros based on Debian. 
> 
> Please, please, please don't speak on things you know nothing about. 
> There are way more than just two main Linux distributions.
> 
> Also, please reply to the message that you are trying to answer.  Don't 
> start a new message.
> 
Dear Colin:

I am aware that my knowledge of the subject is extremely limited. 
I am just an ordinary user and do not claim to be more than that. 
But I believe my experience with Xandros is very relevant to the 
choice faced by the poster who asked Ubuntu vs. Debian. My 
perspective as an ordinary user is, in this case, I think, valuable. 
My point was simple: If you are going to get a derivative of Debian 
or Red Hat or whatever, you will never have the perfect 
compatibility that is often promised but cannot be delivered. You 
will have it only with the original distro. That's been my experience 
with Mandrake, which I ran for over two years (on the Red Hat 
side) and with Xandros, which I ran for a year (on the Debian 
side).

By the way, I should have also mentioned Suse, which I was very 
much aware of. 

I did not include Slackware, which I know little about because that 
is not a distro usually recommended to a novice. 

Still, I should have expressed myself more modestly and limited my comments to 
Red Hat and Debian because that is where I have had some real experience as a 
user.

Thank you.

Benjamin


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Re: How to disable enter/exit KDE sounds

[Kent West]

J. Grant wrote:

> [Please include my email address in any replies]
>
> Could someone tell me how to disable enter/exit KDE sounds please?


KDE Control Center / Sound and Multimedia / System Notifications
Set "Event Source" to "KDE System Notifications"
Click on "KDE is exiting" and/or "KDE is starting up"; unclick the "Play
a sound".

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Re: exim4, sa-exim, clamav

[Steve Å]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 11:59:05PM +0100 or thereabouts, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (17/07/05 00:11), Steve Å wrote:


 
> > Hm throws an error when I change that;
> > 
> > 'X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org); Unknown failure'
> > 
> > Strange, 'cause I tested SA before setting up sa-exim.
> 
> Long shot (and I suspect as you've tested it, it's OK)  you've
> enabled spamassassin?
> 
> to activate spamassassin edit /etc/default/spamassassin:
> ENABLED=1
> 
> also have you added the following two lines to
> /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template?:
> local_scan_path = /usr/lib/exim4/local_scan/sa-exim.so
> av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl

Hello Clive:

Yes, I had all that enabled. I was thinking about this last evening, and decided
what I was trying to do (reject spam at SMTP time), was quite brain dead.

What I mean, is that since I use a smarthost, and fetch e-mail with fetchmail,
doing it with SMTP is rather silly. It's my understanding that perhaps it is
appropriate more so for SMTP servers receiving and sending directly ? 

So, I've decided to enable Spamassassin filtering with procmail.

I'm new to SA (I previously used Sarge's Spamprobe). I'm just about to figure
out what's the differences between spamd, spamc, and running spamassassin.

Thanks for your assistance -- This was a learning experience.

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debian backup/restore

[Hans du Plooy]

Hi all,

I'm wanting to make my linux partition slightly smaller to make room for
that other OS.   I've got / on a reiserfs partition, which i believe
cannot beresized at the start, so I'll have to backup the whole system,
repartition, and restore.  No sweat, I've done this before.

However, I've just run into a problem I've never encountered (or never
knew I encountered) before - I'm getting messages saying "socket
such_and_such skipped.

There were two in the /dev directory - flew past too quickly tho, I
don't know what they are - and a couple in the /var/spool/postfix eg:

prw--w--w-  1 postfix postdrop 0 2005-07-18 01:27 pickup

I got the error both with cp -av and tar cfv

Will these sockets be recreated once I run postfix after restoring the
system, or is there another way to safely backup and restore them?

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dhcp problem

[ankur . kumar]

I got my broadband setup and my provider uses DHCP and I have a intelligent router (modem).

I installed dhcpcd as dhcp client and it works fine except that it couldnt get right nameservers and
hence resolving host name takes lot of time.

If I put nameservers (I got it from my provider) in /etc/resolv.conf, it works fine. But the problem is
when I login as different user, it shows different nameserver in networking. 
Do I have to configure nameserver for every user on my system?

I'm using debian sarge 3.1.
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Re: sound problems

[Rick Pasotto]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:32:37PM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:20:35 -0400
> Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Somehow I've lost my sound. It used to be there, but not any more.
> > 
> > Where is the config file that needs to be changed?
> 
> try running alsaconf, and see what happens

OK, I think I must be a little closer but still nothing audible.

After installing alsa-utils and running alsaconf, /dev/sndstat gives:


Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.8 emulation code)
Kernel: Linux mnr 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 i686
Config options: 0

Installed drivers: 
Type 10: ALSA emulation

Card config: 
VIA 8237 with unknown codec at 0xeb00, irq 193

Audio devices:
0: VIA 8237 (DUPLEX)

Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

Timers:
7: system timer

Mixers:
0: VIA Technologies id 70


I removed the volume control from the gnome panel and re-added it. None
of the devices are muted. xmms seems to be happily playing (with the
libALSA.so output) but still no sound. I've enabled sound events but
when I click 'play sound' I get nothing. xine plays the video but no
audio. I've tried several speakers so I don't think it's hardware.

What should I check now? Do I need to restart/reboot?

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How to disable enter/exit KDE sounds

[J. Grant]

[Please include my email address in any replies]

Hello,

Could someone tell me how to disable enter/exit KDE sounds please?
Kind regards
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disregard mail coming

[ankur . kumar]

Hi All,

Some inappropriate mails have been sent using my mail id, but it's spam and its not coming from myside.

Is it possible for list manager to block such mails in case of anonymous SMTP server?

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Re: exim4, sa-exim, clamav

[Clive Menzies]

On (17/07/05 00:11), Steve Å wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 01:26:20AM +0100 or thereabouts, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > On (16/07/05 19:40), Steve Å wrote:
>  
> > > 'X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org); SAEximRunCond 
> > > expanded
> > > to false'
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't that be postive  ? If so, I can't seem to find the command that
> > > executes it in my sa-exim.conf.
> > 
> > I recall that commenting out this line didn't enable it; you have to set
> > it to 'true' (1)
> > 
> > # Remove or comment out the following line to enable sa-exim
> > SAEximRunCond: 1
> 
> Hm throws an error when I change that;
> 
> 'X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on barnyard.sweetpig.dyndns.org); Unknown failure'
> 
> Strange, 'cause I tested SA before setting up sa-exim.

Long shot (and I suspect as you've tested it, it's OK)  you've
enabled spamassassin?

to activate spamassassin edit /etc/default/spamassassin:
ENABLED=1

also have you added the following two lines to
/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template?:
local_scan_path = /usr/lib/exim4/local_scan/sa-exim.so
av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl

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Re: sid, synaptic and pinned package

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday July 15 2005 8:21 am, Michael Ott wrote:

> How can i unlock this package?

Good luck!  This is why you should never use apt-pinning unless you 
know for sure what you're doing (ie, active developer).

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Re: Is Debian Print Cartridge Refilling friendly?

[Paul Johnson]

On Friday July 15 2005 1:30 pm, nuno romano wrote:
> I´m not exactly willing to pay 50 times to
> Hewlett Packard my inkjet printer,with this
> "pick pocket" business model of selling
> printers with a low price and print cartridges
> with a very high price,so I decided to refill
> my cartridges.

Part of the reason they're so expensive, particularly with HP, is that 
the print heads are a part of the cartridge.  This isn't entirely a 
bad thing:  When the print heads become too nasty to work right even 
after cleaning, you still only have to chuck a cartridge and not the 
whole printer.  You can refill your cartridges, but they'll leak and 
won't produce the same quality in fairly short order.

Refilling inkjet printer cartridges just isn't worth the trouble.  
Instead of refilling your cartridges, go laser instead.  The initial 
investment may be high, but you'll get better printouts cheaper over 
all.  If you want a cheap printer, then plan on spending the rest of 
your income on print heads if you want to print.  If you want to 
print on the cheap, get a *real* printer the first time.

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Paul Johnson]

On Sunday July 17 2005 6:24 am, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> Dear friends:
>
> The question has come up whether K3b should be run as user or as
> root.

No.  If you have to ask whether you need to run something as root, the 
answer is no.

> After being admonished not to run it as root, I changed my 
> setting back to user. Now, when I tried to run it, I got an error
> message from the author urging me to run it as root only. Here is
> the screenshot:
>
> http://www.websher.net/temp/k3b1.jpg

Please *READ* what you're being told.  It says cdrecord won't run as 
root, and running k3bsetup will solve the problem.  Why is that hard 
to understand?

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Re: completely inane AOL questions

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday July 16 2005 12:37 pm, roach wrote:
> On Saturday 16 July 2005 14:50, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> <...>
>
> > Anyone else for blocking all mails to the list that have a "From"
> > header ending in "@aol.com"?
>
> AOL has become quiet good at fighting spam coming from their
> network, no need to punish them.

AOL is not good about fighting idiots coming from their network. 
Maintaining an idiot-hostile internet is just as important, if not 
more so.  Lusers perpetuate spam, AOL encourages lusers, therefor, 
AOL encourages spam.

> Earlier this evening I was at an Internet Cafe and decided to read
> my email. Bad move, reading list email without filters is only for
> the masochistic. I couldn't see the content, for the spam. I had a
> hard time knowing whether too hurl or rip my eyes out. :-(

Get your own mail server, reject spam at SMTP-time?

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Re: set language in bash

[Vegard|drageV]

On 7/17/05, Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:49:57PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:29:46PM +0200, Vegard|drageV wrote:
> > > I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an
> > > errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language
> > > is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to
> > > english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do
> > > this?
> >
> > First let's get some terminology. The 'bash language' is
> > better known as the 'locale', which combines all of the
> > various language settings from a different geographic area:
> > the language, character encoding, etc. To change your
> > locale, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'.
> >
> > However, you should be able to email us the contents of any
> > apt-get error message, just by pasting it into your email
> > client. That doesn't work for you?
> >
> > If you're using vim, you could also output the error message
> > directly into the editor within command mode like so:
> >
> > :r !apt-get [whatever you told apt-get to do]
> >
> 
> I'm an English only person, so I have no experience with the
> extent of the localization of various packages in Debian, but
> is it possible that the error message that is troubling OP
> is coming out in Norwegian? If it is, the level of understanding
> of that message on this list will be somewhat limited.
> 
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 Sorry for not being clear of what is the problem... The errormessage
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understood by most debian-user readersm therefor I needed to get the
message in english to post it here.

The hints I got worked, thanks for the help, 

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[Vegard|drageV]

On 7/16/05, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 2005-07-15 23:25:24, schrieb Vegard|drageV:
> > When running ./configure before installing ksubeditor, I get this 
> > errormessage:
> >
> > checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please
> > check your installation and add the correct paths!
> >
> > I googled around and found that the folder /usr/X11R6/include may be
> > needed for this operation, but this does not excist on my system. Wich
> > package do I install to get this  folder?
> 
> apt-get install xlibs-dev
> 
> for example. Try it first and the maybe
> you need othe Devel-Packages as well.
> 
> > Cheers, Vegard
> 
> Greetings
> Michelle
> 
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> 
Trying to install xlibs-dev gives me this errormessage:
How do I go around/solve this problem?


hjem:/home/vegard# apt-get install xlibs-dev
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  xlibs-dev: Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxi-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxmu-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxmuu-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxp-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxpm-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxrandr-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxt-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxtrap-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxtst-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libxv-dev but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: xlibs-static-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages
hjem:/home/vegard#

Cheers, Vegard

Re: for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner

[roach]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 23:40, Mike wrote:
> Does anybody know why debian doesn't detect SATA optical drives?
<...>
> (I didn't post my system logs, lspci etc because it doesn't matter
> i'd be suprised if anybody responds to this one either)

SUPRISE!

See somebody did answer. Now peel yourself off the floor and lets continue...

I doubt very much that this is a problem with linux and relates more to your 
SATA controller chipset. Most chipsets assume that you'd only connect a 
harddrive and therefore only support harddrives.

What is your SATA controller chipset? If you've got more than one kind have 
you tried on the other?

BTW, I know this to be true because I wanted to buy a plextor CD drive and 
found out it was incompatible with my motherboards SATA chipsets :-(

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Re: sound problems

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:20:35 -0400
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somehow I've lost my sound. It used to be there, but not any more.
> 
> dmesg shows:
> 
> 
> via82cxxx: Six channel audio available
> PCI: Setting latency timer of device :00:11.5 to 64
> ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: VIA112 (Unknown)
> via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xEB00, IRQ 193
> 
> 
> which looks to me like the kernel found the on-board sound.
> 
> But catting /dev/sndstat gives:
> 
> 
> Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.8 emulation code)
> Kernel: Linux mnr 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 i686
> Config options: 0
> 
> Installed drivers: 
> Type 10: ALSA emulation
> 
> Card config: 
> --- no soundcards ---
> 
> Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
> Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
> Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
> Timers:
> 7: system timer
> 
> Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
> 
> 
> Where is the config file that needs to be changed?

try running alsaconf, and see what happens


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Re: how do I get fullscreen mplayer - fun

[Vegard|drageV]

On 7/16/05, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:24:35 +0200
> Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Vegard|drageV wrote:
> > > Where do I go from here to make th option '-vo xv' default?
> >
> > You need to edit MPlayers config file to make it default.
> > Add vo=xv to /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf for system wide changes, or in
> > ~/.mplayer/conf (create the file if it doesn't exist) for your user
> > only.
> >
> 
> What X video driver are you using?
> 
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Sven Arvidsson

Are you refering to the drivers to the videocard? If so:
nvidia

Cheers, Vegard

sound problems

[Rick Pasotto]

Somehow I've lost my sound. It used to be there, but not any more.

dmesg shows:


via82cxxx: Six channel audio available
PCI: Setting latency timer of device :00:11.5 to 64
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: VIA112 (Unknown)
via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xEB00, IRQ 193


which looks to me like the kernel found the on-board sound.

But catting /dev/sndstat gives:


Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.8 emulation code)
Kernel: Linux mnr 2.6.11-1-k7 #1 Mon Jun 20 21:26:23 MDT 2005 i686
Config options: 0

Installed drivers: 
Type 10: ALSA emulation

Card config: 
--- no soundcards ---

Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG

Timers:
7: system timer

Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG


Where is the config file that needs to be changed?


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for the love of GOD! SATA DVD Burner

[Mike]

Does anybody know why debian doesn't detect SATA optical drives?

I'm using sid, it detects my SATA controller and loads everything up. 
But completely ingores my plextor 716SA DVD Burner. I havn't gotten a 
single response to this question the last 8 times i've asked it.


-Mike

(I didn't post my system logs, lspci etc because it doesn't matter 
i'd be suprised if anybody responds to this one either)



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RE: Re: Re: SATA problems

[Jim Blake]

I've certainly got further but not in the way you might expect. I contacted
the Shuttle supplier (again) and this time they told me there was a problem
with interaction between the Samsung CDRW/DVDROM and the SATA Maxtor drives,
which meant that the boot sector was getting stomped on. 

About this time, I got bored with the whole idea of SATA, I'm trying to get
a server running and haven't got time for intellectual games, as interesting
as they may be, so I got the supplier to swap the shuttle for a different
one with two IDE channels.

It's not finished yet...I completed the install, but found one of the new
IDE drives was dropping out of my RAID1 array...ran the diagnostics and lo
and behold! I have a defective disk (it was supposed to be new/tested!). I'm
going back to the supplier tomorrow (Monday) and you can imagine the kind of
converation I will be having with them...


Cheers
JB
-Original Message-
From: Fredrik von Kantzow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 15 July 2005 17:42
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: SATA problems


Have you gotten further with this?

-Fredrik

Jim wrote:
OK , I did that  and got the following results

I entered lspci, got the response "/bin/sh: lspci : not found"

then for lsmod, I got a long string of files/modules, with "size" and 
"used by" columns. I have only recorded the names here, no way of 
cutting and pasting unfortunately...
xfs
reiserfs
jfs
ext3
jbd
vfat
af_packet
eth1394
via_rhine
mii
tg3
firmware_class
nls_cp437
ds
gentu_socket
pcmcia_core
sr_mod
sbp2
isofs
ide_cd
cdrom
ide_disk
ide_generic
pdc202xx_new
aec62xx
alim15x3
amd74xx
atiixp
cmd64x
cs5520
cs5530
cy82c693
generic
hpt34x
ns87415
opti621
pdc202xx_old
piix
rz1000
sc1200
serverworks
siimage
sis5513
slc90e66
triflex
trm290
via82cxxx
floppy
usb_storage
scsi_mod
ide_core
ohci1394
ieee1394
fbcon
font
vga16fb
vgastate
vesafb
cfbcopyarea
cfbimgblt
cfbfillrect
usbserial
usbhid
usbkbd
ehci_hcd
ohci_hcd
usb_core
i_hcd
thermal
processor
fan
unix

That's the lot from that list.

Thanks
Jim


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Using a prism2 usb card on Sarge

[Dave Johnston]

hi,

I've just done a fresh install of Sarge using kernel 2.6.8-2-386, and 
now I'm trying to get a Prism2-based USB wifi adaptor working so I can 
connect the machine to the network as a normal client.


My initial thought was to to 'apt-get install linux-wlan-ng' which went 
fine, up to the point when I found out that there are no precompiled 
binaries for linux-wlan-ng-modules on 2.6.8 yet.


So I then installed hostap-utils instead, which installed fine along 
with hostap-modules. But this hasn't helped either - I don't know what 
to do next.


Right now I'm at the stage where dmesg reports this when I plug the 
adaptor in:

usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 4
usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5
usb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 0
usb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 0

'lsmod' lists hostap, but 'lsmod | grep prism2' lists nothing.

Should I stick to linux-wlan-ng (which I hear is being phased out of 
2.6) or hostap? What should I do now?


Any help hugely appreciated.

Ta,
Dave


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Re: gnome config [was: metacity?]

[Adam Hardy]

And, also snap a list of everything to be removed. When you do an
"apt-get remove --purge xserver-common" is a BIG depends for many
things. It causes tons o stuff to be removed. Also those things
secondarily force other things to be removed.

Overall, I feel I am far better off doing the removal and purge, than I
was with the hand fixing. Reason being, things that annoyed me for the
last two years are now gone... replaced with stuff that works the way I
knew it should. As it did on other machines, even they using the same
Homedir off a server.



OK, I'm brave, I can do that but it would be good to hear other people's 
points of view first though :)


Due to time constraints and my inability to fix gconf, I am living with 
the gnome desktop without a window manager. I find it only mildly 
debilitating and due to the same time constraints, I would rather avoid 
doing anything that will take hours of work.


I am thinking of waiting until sid matures a bit and then doing a whole 
system upgrade.



If your machine is significantly fast enough and you have good
bandwidth, it shouldn't take long at all.

And waiting until Sid matures??? Wow, now that is a new one. Sid means
Still In Developement or Unstable. Never will Mature, you'll be
waiting... ummm. Forever?!


saw sid has got the implementation of a xorg instead of xfree86, thought 
that would be nice to have. what i meant waiting for is the point where 
the sid release is changed to stable.


still haven't tried re-installing gnome yet.


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Re: to not read spam emails on debian MLs

[Gregory Seidman]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 03:34:26PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
} On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 08:48 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
} > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
} > } On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 20:15 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
} > [...]
} > } But then you'll be replying from a different address than the
} > } email was sent to.
} > } 
} > } Most ISPs don't like that anymore, and SpamAssassin (and probably
} > } Baysians also) score it as possible spam.
} > 
} > I don't think you know what you're talking about. First of all, I don't
} > know of a single spam filter (with the possible but unlikely exception of
} > GMail) that is sufficiently stateful that it will notice that the message
} > with the ID in the In-Reply-To field was originally sent to an email
} > address other than the one in the From field. Second, if it could, it would
} > break every single mailing list reply since the From field *never* matches
} > the list email address to which the original was sent. And third, in actual
} > practice, I have never had trouble sending messages which claim to be from
} > a wide variety of email addresses often having nothing to do with the
} > machine from which I was sending. (A series of reflectors and
} > forwards would get messages sent to those addresses back to the machine in
} > question, but that isn't something that a spam filter can test.)
} > 
} > In short, I think you're speaking from a position of no knowledge on the
} > subject whatsoever.
} 
} But I've seen twice, in *valid* emails I've received from mailing
} lists, where people send emails from their own MTAs, but force 
} the return address to be @yahoo.com and @hotmail.com.
} 
} Here's an example of how SA scores them:
} CONFIRMED_FORGED
} FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD

Take a look at http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_3_0_x.html and
http://systems.cs.uoregon.edu/Solaris/spamassassin.php for explanations of
the tests that spamassassin uses. Note that the second URL is unofficial,
and may be for an outdated version of spamassasin, but it mentions
CONFIRMED_FORGED and the official one does not.

CONFIRMED_FORGED means the received headers are forged, which usually means
that it is trying to appear to be coming from a machine other than the one
it's coming from. Sending from a properly configured local MTA should not
flag this, since there is no forgery going on. I don't claim to know how
the Received headers are tested for forgery or not (I didn't dig that
deep), but I hope they are clever enough to distinguish between a local MTA
using a smarthost rather than a spam forgery (or, at least, keep it to
one-sided errors).

FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD means that the message claims to be from a yahoo.com
address but did not originated from a yahoo.com mail server. This is a
special case (which is why it's its own rule), and there is a similar one
for msn.com, excite.com, lycos.com, etc. This will, indeed, come into play
if a user sends an email purporting to be from a yahoo.com address from a
smarthost MTA, but that's specific to yahoo.com (and msn.com, etc.)
addresses, not a general rule.

On a side note, it has been pointed out that my comments were uncalled for,
and it's true. I do think you were uninformed, but there was no need to be
rude about it and I apologize for that. I hope that this message has been
informative, rather than rude.

} Ron Johnson, Jr.
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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 04:30:07PM -0400, hell0 un1verse wrote:
> Client desktop: Ubuntu, server side: Debian stable.
> 
> Choice makes sense?:)

Seems sensible to me. I don't have much experience with large
deployments, so there may very well be good reasons to use Debian
unstable in server installations. I wouldn't put Ubuntu on a server, if
only because the Ubuntu repositories don't contain as many packages as
the Debian ones.

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Re: to not read spam emails on debian MLs

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 08:48 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> } On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 20:15 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> [...]
> } But then you'll be replying from a different address than the
> } email was sent to.
> } 
> } Most ISPs don't like that anymore, and SpamAssassin (and probably
> } Baysians also) score it as possible spam.
> 
> I don't think you know what you're talking about. First of all, I don't
> know of a single spam filter (with the possible but unlikely exception of
> GMail) that is sufficiently stateful that it will notice that the message
> with the ID in the In-Reply-To field was originally sent to an email
> address other than the one in the From field. Second, if it could, it would
> break every single mailing list reply since the From field *never* matches
> the list email address to which the original was sent. And third, in actual
> practice, I have never had trouble sending messages which claim to be from
> a wide variety of email addresses often having nothing to do with the
> machine from which I was sending. (A series of reflectors and
> forwards would get messages sent to those addresses back to the machine in
> question, but that isn't something that a spam filter can test.)
> 
> In short, I think you're speaking from a position of no knowledge on the
> subject whatsoever.

But I've seen twice, in *valid* emails I've received from mailing
lists, where people send emails from their own MTAs, but force 
the return address to be @yahoo.com and @hotmail.com.

Here's an example of how SA scores them:
CONFIRMED_FORGED
FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[hell0 un1verse]

On 7/17/05, Stephen R Laniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 12:26:07PM -0500, Mr Mike wrote:
> > Also, lets not forget the french...  Mandrake is a fine linux.
> 
> It's also a Red Hat derivative, so it fits into the (false)
> statement that the original poster made to the effect that
> every Linux distribution is either a Red Hat or a Debian
> derivative.
> 
> I used Mandrake for a client perhaps a year ago, because I
> thought it was the most user-friendly and I was dealing with
> mostly-computer-illiterate clients. It turned out to be
> highly UNfriendly for admins, so I trashed it, installed
> Debian, set them up with GNOME, and have gotten no
> complaints from my users. I'd install Ubuntu now if I were
> setting up desktop machines for the same clients.
> 
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Client desktop: Ubuntu, server side: Debian stable.

Choice makes sense?:)

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Re: to not read spam emails on debian MLs

[Paul Scott]

Mr Mike wrote:


On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:48:59 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:

 


On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
} On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 20:15 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
[...]
} But then you'll be replying from a different address than the
} email was sent to.
} 
} Most ISPs don't like that anymore, and SpamAssassin (and probably

} Baysians also) score it as possible spam.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. First of all, I don't


(snip)


In short, I think you're speaking from a position of no knowledge on the
subject whatsoever.

Holy cow man, your reply STINKS...  


There's absolutely no need to be so rude.  If he's wrong, fine, but no
need to tell him (in so many words) that he's stupid.

This is the sorta crap FUD Mongers love to see...  They can use it to
justify their view that 'linux is for geeks and newbies get treated like
dirt'

I hope the next time you reply to correct someone, you do it in a more
gentle way...  You can wrap their knuckles with a ruler but damn dude, you
don't need to wack them in the head with a ball bat..
 

I agree!  

I actually missed most of the rudeness because I usually just ignore 
large run-on paragraphs like that as well as quotes of quotes, etc, that 
should have been trimmed.  But the rudeness of the last sentence was enough.


Paul Scott



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Re: set language in bash

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 02:49:57PM -0400, Stephen R Laniel wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:29:46PM +0200, Vegard|drageV wrote:
> > I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an
> > errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language
> > is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to
> > english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do
> > this?
> 
> First let's get some terminology. The 'bash language' is
> better known as the 'locale', which combines all of the
> various language settings from a different geographic area:
> the language, character encoding, etc. To change your
> locale, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'.
> 
> However, you should be able to email us the contents of any
> apt-get error message, just by pasting it into your email
> client. That doesn't work for you?
> 
> If you're using vim, you could also output the error message
> directly into the editor within command mode like so:
> 
> :r !apt-get [whatever you told apt-get to do]
> 

I'm an English only person, so I have no experience with the
extent of the localization of various packages in Debian, but
is it possible that the error message that is troubling OP
is coming out in Norwegian? If it is, the level of understanding
of that message on this list will be somewhat limited.

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Re: restore default permissions to /usr/bin /usr/sbin

[Xeno Campanoli]

Xeno Campanoli wrote:


phyrster wrote:

Hi Debianers,  


Hmm.  Does that make us all Debianaire?

After an installation of Realplayer in /usr, I noticed that file 
permissions
under this dir is changed. Particulary, users can't read into 
/usr/bin and I
suspect that /usr/sbin is affected as well.  

I've got 755 setting for these directories, so you change these back 
to that with


chmod 755 /usr/*bin,
but be careful, as if you have added another directory (unlikely) like 
/usr/xbin, it will affect that too, so more safe is:


chmod 755 /usr/bin
chmod 755 /usr/bin

The meaning for each digit is for user, group, and other, 
respectively, where the 4 bit is for read, the 2 is for write, and the 
1 is for executable permissions.  Hence group and other can read these 
directories in these cases, as well as execute from them.  You 
probably want at least execute privileges in these directories, and 
read doesn't likely hurt as it's the same software as on hundreds of 
other machines around the world, but setting 711 would make group and 
other be execute only.



Could anyone tell me what is the default permissions of these three
directories in Sarge: /usr  /usr/bin /usr/sbin. And preferably the 
command
that sets permissions. chmod command is a bit scaring as I am still 
learning
the most efficient parameters/options to run this command for such 
task.  


I've got 755 for /usr too.


Thank you.
 


Glad to make a contribution.
xc



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Re: Recommended Debian book?

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Glenn English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.17.1529 +0300]:
> The new book by Martin Krafft -- "The Debian System" is exactly
> the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of
> sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory,
> philosophy, HOWTO, and why. 

May I quote this on debiansystem.info ?

> Downsides: there are typos;

I'd appreciate if you pointed them out to me. And if you could show
me a book without typos. :)

Also, there is http://debiansystem.info/readers/errata, even though
I chose not to list every single typo found.

> it's expensive (~$45); and (AFAIK) the only way to get it is to
> order it from Europe -- 15 Euros and a couple weeks shipping.
> Easily worth it all, though, to me. 

We have an international publisher now and the book should be
available internationally in September at the earliest. Please see
http://debiansystem.info/order

> And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the
> keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat.

:)

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Kent West]

Benjamin Sher wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdc
>brw-rw-rw-  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdc
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdd
>brw-rw-rw-  1 root disk 22, 64 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdd
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Yikes! "others" should not have write access to either of these drives.
(At least, in a stock Debian setup.)

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restore default permissions to /usr/bin /usr/sbin

[phyrster]

Hi Debianers, 

After an installation of Realplayer in /usr, I noticed that file permissions
under this dir is changed. Particulary, users can't read into /usr/bin and I
suspect that /usr/sbin is affected as well. 

Could anyone tell me what is the default permissions of these three
directories in Sarge: /usr  /usr/bin /usr/sbin. And preferably the command
that sets permissions. chmod command is a bit scaring as I am still learning
the most efficient parameters/options to run this command for such task. 

Thank you.


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xorg and nvidia drivers and removal of gdm etc.

[H. S.]

I am trying to fully convert to Xorg in a Sid machine in my home
network. The problem is something to do with nvidia-glx, which upon
trying to be installed complains:
~# apt-get -s install nvidia-glx
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not going to be installed or
   libglu but it is not installable or
   libglu1
E: Broken packages




So I have some queries regarding this whole process of shifting to Xorg.
What does the above error really mean, since to install xlibmesa-glu
requires me to remove gdm and other stuff:
~# apt-get -s install xlibmesa-glu
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gdm gdm-themes gksu gnome-netstatus-applet libgksu1.2-0 libgksuui1.0-0
libglu1-xorg x-window-system x-window-system-core
  xbase-clients xdm xprint xprint-common
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  xlibmesa-glu
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 13 to remove and 1 not upgraded.




Also, with this new Xorg, do I still need the drivers by Nvidia (the
ones I used to install with "module-assistant auto-install nvidia"?

Sorry for all these queries, but this whole transition to Xorg and the
new C++ ABI is creating a bit of confusion for me.

thanks,
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Re: 2.6.11 and udev

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Jules Dubois_, on 15/07/05 14:37,typed:

> 
> You can downgrade to udev 0.056-3, and put udev 0.062-4 on hold for the
> present.
> 
> 


That is exactly what I did.

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Re: set language in bash

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 08:29:46PM +0200, Vegard|drageV wrote:
> I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an
> errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language
> is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to
> english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do
> this?

First let's get some terminology. The 'bash language' is
better known as the 'locale', which combines all of the
various language settings from a different geographic area:
the language, character encoding, etc. To change your
locale, run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'.

However, you should be able to email us the contents of any
apt-get error message, just by pasting it into your email
client. That doesn't work for you?

If you're using vim, you could also output the error message
directly into the editor within command mode like so:

:r !apt-get [whatever you told apt-get to do]

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 12:26:07PM -0500, Mr Mike wrote:
> Also, lets not forget the french...  Mandrake is a fine linux.

It's also a Red Hat derivative, so it fits into the (false)
statement that the original poster made to the effect that
every Linux distribution is either a Red Hat or a Debian
derivative.

I used Mandrake for a client perhaps a year ago, because I
thought it was the most user-friendly and I was dealing with
mostly-computer-illiterate clients. It turned out to be
highly UNfriendly for admins, so I trashed it, installed
Debian, set them up with GNOME, and have gotten no
complaints from my users. I'd install Ubuntu now if I were
setting up desktop machines for the same clients.

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set language in bash

[Vegard|drageV]

I'm trying to install a program using apt-get, and I'm getting an
errormessage wich I do not understand. At the moment the bash language
is set to norwegian, and I wish to temporarily to set the language to
english so I can post the errormessage here on the list. How do I do
this?

Using bash shell on sarge.

Cheers, Vegard

default info browser

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So after 4 years of stubbornly refusing to accept info pages and
sticking to plain old 'man' I've decided that it's time to embrace info
and give it a shot for a while. However, I don't much care for the
text-mode info browser that's used by default. What I'd like to do is
force emacs to be my info browser, so that 'info foo', for example, will
start up emacs, load up info, and open the 'foo' info page. Any ideas?

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Re: to not read spam emails on debian MLs

[Mr Mike]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 08:48:59 -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:41:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> } On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 20:15 -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> [...]
> } But then you'll be replying from a different address than the
> } email was sent to.
> } 
> } Most ISPs don't like that anymore, and SpamAssassin (and probably
> } Baysians also) score it as possible spam.
> 
> I don't think you know what you're talking about. First of all, I don't
> know of a single spam filter (with the possible but unlikely exception of
> GMail) that is sufficiently stateful that it will notice that the message
> with the ID in the In-Reply-To field was originally sent to an email
> address other than the one in the From field. Second, if it could, it would
> break every single mailing list reply since the From field *never* matches
> the list email address to which the original was sent. And third, in actual
> practice, I have never had trouble sending messages which claim to be from
> a wide variety of email addresses often having nothing to do with the
> machine from which I was sending. (A series of reflectors and
> forwards would get messages sent to those addresses back to the machine in
> question, but that isn't something that a spam filter can test.)
> 
> In short, I think you're speaking from a position of no knowledge on the
> subject whatsoever.
> 
> } Ron Johnson, Jr.
> --Greg

Holy cow man, your reply STINKS...  

There's absolutely no need to be so rude.  If he's wrong, fine, but no
need to tell him (in so many words) that he's stupid.

This is the sorta crap FUD Mongers love to see...  They can use it to
justify their view that 'linux is for geeks and newbies get treated like
dirt'

I hope the next time you reply to correct someone, you do it in a more
gentle way...  You can wrap their knuckles with a ruler but damn dude, you
don't need to wack them in the head with a ball bat..





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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Hans du Plooy]

Just want to make two observations:

On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 09:57 -0500, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian.
>  Each have many derivates.
While it is true that Red Hat and debian both have many derivatives, it
goes deeper on the Red Hat side, where some distros are only based on
the package management systems.  SUSE, for example, shares *only* the
rpm system with Red Hat, nothing else.

> But I understand that Red Hat's version of KDE is a stripped down one. So you 
> may wish to consider that.
That's incorrect.  The KDE interface has just been changed so much (for
the worst, if you ask me) that it might appear that way.  They're
building on what Red Hat tried to do with Red Hat 8 - make it look like
gnome.  It was at this point that many die-hard Red Hat fans left in
search for greener pastures - refer to the Red Hat mailing list archives
for more info...

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Mr Mike]

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:41:19 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> * Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jul 17 10:02 -0500]:
> 
>> There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian. Each have many 
>> derivates. Xandros is one of at least 25 distros based on Debian. 
> 
> That statement might get our Slackware friends in an uproar.  ;-)  
> 
> Not so long ago Slackware was the main Linux distro and *seems* to have
> slipped to third place, but then it's difficult to tell.  There is a
> certain elegant simplicity to a Slackware system.  I still have a soft
> spot in my heart for Slackware, but I use Debian daily.
> 
> - Nate>>

Also, lets not forget the french...  Mandrake is a fine linux.  I used it
for several years.  I never joined Mandrake Club to have access to all
those OTHER wonderful linux apps...  if I needed them I would get the code
from developers and compile..  Bout 98% of the time I could get them to
work.  Not bad considering I'm not a C/C++ programmer...  Anyway, decided
in Jan2005 to go with debian just for the apps.  I got tired of having to
track down compile problems...  Debian has issues too but so far I've been
able to live with them..

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cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!

[J. Grant]

[please include my email address in any replies]

Hello,

I wonder if anyone knows why I have this displayed when booting up
debian sarge?

cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!

I have this in my /etc/fstab:

/dev/sr0/media/cdrom0   iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0   0

There is no auto mount, so what is it doing to the DVD-R in my DVD drive?

I noticed this text in Fedora as well:
http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23340

Please include my email address in replies.

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Re: type= parameter missing from linux-2.6.12 tuner module

[csj]

On 17. July 2005 at 5:40AM -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> There appears to be significant differences between the
> "tuner" module in linux 2.6.12 and the same module
> under linux 2.6.11. In particular the "type" paramater is
> missing from linux 2.6.12.3, as shown by a comparison
> of the truncated modinfo output appended at the end of
> this email.
> 
> I absolutely *need* the type= paramater, since my tuner
> card is "misrecognized" as PAL (our broadcast system is
> NTSC).
> 
> The "tuner" module of linux 2.6.12 appears to load fine
> *without* any parameters (using insmod /path/to/tuner.ko).
> But it fails with "modprobe tuner", which reads the options
> I set in "/etc/modprobe.d/01_local_directives":
> 
> options bttv card=34 radio=1
> options tuner type=8 debug=1

Changing the above lines to the following should fix the problem:

options bttv card=34 tuner=8 radio=1
# options   tuner type=8 debug=1

Apparently the tuner option is now handled by the bttv module.

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Updates: useful link

[Hans du Plooy]

Someone posted this on /. - very useful!

http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Colin]

Benjamin Sher wrote:

There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian. Each have many 
derivates. Xandros is one of at least 25 distros based on Debian. 


Please, please, please don't speak on things you know nothing about. 
There are way more than just two main Linux distributions.


Also, please reply to the message that you are trying to answer.  Don't 
start a new message.



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Re: OT: Windoze spyware?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 02:32 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 11:34:53PM -0400, Marty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Carl Fink wrote:
> > >On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 08:52:55PM -0400, Marty wrote:
[snip]
> Well, for a few months there (roughly March - May) it was inordinately
> popular among 419 spammers, with a handful of go.com MXs becoming my
> second leading spam source (following KORnet).  I managed to bring this
> to Disney's attention, the situation's improved markedly.

How the heck did you get a hold of them?

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Re: Cups: canon backend hanging

[John Foster]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 04:41 am, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> I've got a problem with the canon backend (which I don't use) hanging in
> CUPs.  My load average is currently 13+, and there's nothing I can kill
> to bring down the processes.
>
> $ ps aux | grep ' [D] '
> root 19562  0.0  0.0   3388   576 ?DJul12   0:00
> /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 19505  0.0  0.0   3388   576 ?   
> DJul13   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  1960  0.0  0.0  
> 3388   592 ?DJul14   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root
> 21916  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00
> /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  5799  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?   
> DJul15   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  6417  0.0  0.0  
> 3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 
> 7555  0.0  0.0   3388   592 ?DJul15   0:00
> /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root  6884  0.0  0.0   3388   764 ?   
> DJul16   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon root 18238  0.0  0.0  
> 3388   764 ?D01:35   0:00 /usr/lib/cups/backend/canon
>
>
> Any suggestions for fixing this or (since I don't have a canon printer)
> keeping the backend from running in the first place?
>
>
> Peace.
Hi, Karsten!
I had the same problem recently & was only able to rid myself of 2 different 
printer backends by completely  removing every vestige of any cups cache 
files. I suspect that this is a bug at lest with kde and maybe with the 
debian installer. I figure that the trick is in /var/log/cups  
and /var/run/cups and /etc/cups being completely removed and using dpkg to 
force a reinstall of the cups system from a downloaded .deb file. If you try 
to remove cups the dependencies will totally screw up your system.
I was able to get rid of my old printer back ends using this process. However 
I have been unable to get my new Samsung ML-2250 to actually print correctly. 
If you have any tips there please advise.
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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Mitja Podreka]

Benjamin Sher wrote:

The question has come up whether K3b should be run as user or as root. After 
being admonished not to run it as root, I changed my setting back to user. 
Now, when I tried to run it, I got an error message from the author urging me 
to run it as root only. Here is the screenshot:


I had the same warning when I installed K3b on a regular, clean Debian 
Sarge instalation.
I went to setup and changed the settings to run K3b as root. Since then 
I use it normaly - run it from menu as a user.


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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT

[Nate Bargmann]

* Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jul 17 10:37 -0500]:
> So, is /media some new LFS directory?  I used the Sarge installer
> recently to create a new Sid partition and my fstab had the cdrom mount
> point as /media/cdrom yet no /media directory was created, or
> apparently visible to me, but /cdrom was.  I edited my fstab to go with
> the older /cdrom, but now I'm curious.
> 
> - Nate >>

One shouldn't reply to one's self, but...

I just checked and I must have looked at the wrong time.  /media now 
exists and /cdrom is now a symlink to /media/cdrom.  I've corrected my
fstab.

Carry on.

- Nate >>

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Nate Bargmann]

* Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Jul 17 10:02 -0500]:

> There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian. Each have many 
> derivates. Xandros is one of at least 25 distros based on Debian. 

That statement might get our Slackware friends in an uproar.  ;-)  

Not so long ago Slackware was the main Linux distro and *seems* to have
slipped to third place, but then it's difficult to tell.  There is a
certain elegant simplicity to a Slackware system.  I still have a soft
spot in my heart for Slackware, but I use Debian daily.

- Nate>>

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT

[Nate Bargmann]

So, is /media some new LFS directory?  I used the Sarge installer
recently to create a new Sid partition and my fstab had the cdrom mount
point as /media/cdrom yet no /media directory was created, or
apparently visible to me, but /cdrom was.  I edited my fstab to go with
the older /cdrom, but now I'm curious.

- Nate >>

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Re: Can't install KDE in Sid

[Nate Bargmann]

Thanks, Joe.

My primary reason for building a Sid partition is to try the Xorg
stuff.  I'm quite impressed so far.  The debconf dialogs and Xorg
auto-probe made this the most painless X install this side of KNOPPIX. 
Except for the fact that it died the first time since I hadn't 
installed any fonts.  D'oh!  

I started this install by downloading the new Sarge netinstall ISO. 
This was by far the best installer I've seen on Debian to date,
although I haven't seen one for a couple of years.  My hat's off to the
installer team.  I think they've done a fantastic job.

It's great to see the steady improvements and enhancements over the
past (almost) six years that I've used Debian.  Good job!

- Nate >>

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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[Benjamin Sher]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 10:10 am, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> Benjamin Sher wrote:
> >Dear friends:
> >
> >To the person who asked about Ubunto vs. Debian:
>
> Please use the same thread. Please do not open different threads for the
> same topic that is still active. Your reply could as well go into the
> thread titled "Debian or Ubuntu Dilemma".
>
>
> raju
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> Cornell University
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Dear raju:

My apologies. I didn't have a copy of the letter so I tried to recreate the 
heading. I guess it would have been better to find the original heading or 
wait for the next posting on that topic. You live and learn.

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Can't launch URL from email -- Question

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear David and friends:

If I were to RE-install Konqueror in apt-get, would that solve the URL launch 
issue?

If so, would reinstalling Konqueror also mean that it would reinstall all of 
KDE?

By the way, please remember that I am running Etch.

Thank you.

Benjamin


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Re: Ubunto vs. Debian

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Benjamin Sher wrote:


Dear friends:

To the person who asked about Ubunto vs. Debian:
 

Please use the same thread. Please do not open different threads for the 
same topic that is still active. Your reply could as well go into the 
thread titled "Debian or Ubuntu Dilemma".



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Ubunto vs. Debian

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear friends:

To the person who asked about Ubunto vs. Debian:

My answer, as a former user of Xandros, a derivative of Debian, is simple: 
it's always best to get the original, if the original is as good or better 
than the copy. In this case, I bought Xandros 2.0 about two years ago and 
used it for one year. Why? Mainly because I wanted Debian with its apt-get 
but was afraid of the "hard install". Secondly, Xandros promised its users 
(and still promises) access to the "vast library of Debian applications". 
Well, no sooner did I start using Xandros than I realized this was nothing 
but a mirage. The only Debian packages that worked with Xandros, that you 
could trust were those that were marked "Xandros". All the other thousands of 
packages would jeopardize and eventually destroy your installation, forcing a 
complete reinstall. I finally gave up.

There are two main Linux distros: Red Hat and Debian. Each have many 
derivates. Xandros is one of at least 25 distros based on Debian. 

Originally, Red Hat based distros were a nightmare because of package 
dependency issues. RPM's didn't help. It used to be called RPM hell. But now 
Red Hat uses yum, which is just as good as apt-get, so that is not an issue. 
But I understand that Red Hat's version of KDE is a stripped down one. So you 
may wish to consider that.

All in all, either get Red Hat (or its free version Fedora Core) or get 
Debian. Stick with the original.That's best for peace of mind.

Benjamin


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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT! Solved!

[Benjamin Sher]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:10 am, Rob Bochan wrote:
> On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:53 am, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> > Dear Carl:
> >
> > I am only reporting what the author says. I installed K3b from apt-get.
> > When I tried to use it, I got this message. After being told that I
> > should run K3b as user, I switched to user, but as soon as I tried to run
> > it as user, I got the author's admonition again. So, to be on the safe
> > side, I'm going to stick with his recommendation.
>
> When cdrecord was installed, you were asked if you wanted to add the setuid
> bit or not. It defaults to not. If you had set it, users in the 'cdrom'
> group would have access to cdrecord as necessary, as noted during the
> install. If the k3b setup program (that you are being prompted to follow)
> doesn't allow you to set it, you can run dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and set
> it there. Then, users in the 'cdrom' group can burn a cd without hassle.
>
> --
>
> ...Rob
> Return address is obfuscated.
> You can reach me via robslaptop (at) gmail dot com

Dear Rob and Stephen:

Rob is right. He's got it! I did not set the SUID during install. I didn't 
know what it was all about and the default was No. So I went with No. I just 
reconfigured it and chose yes, went back to K3b, set it to user in Kmenuedit 
and launched k3b. This time there is NO message. So, now I can use it as 
user.

Thanks so much.

Benjamin


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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 09:36:12AM -0500, Benjamin Sher wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdc
> brw-rw-rw-  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdc
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdd
> brw-rw-rw-  1 root disk 22, 64 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ groups
> sher dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev

Huh. So you do, in fact, have write access to the CD drive.
That's odd. My hypothesis is shot to hell.

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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Rob Bochan]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:53 am, Benjamin Sher wrote:
>
> Dear Carl:
>
> I am only reporting what the author says. I installed K3b from apt-get.
> When I tried to use it, I got this message. After being told that I should
> run K3b as user, I switched to user, but as soon as I tried to run it as
> user, I got the author's admonition again. So, to be on the safe side, I'm
> going to stick with his recommendation.

When cdrecord was installed, you were asked if you wanted to add the setuid 
bit or not. It defaults to not. If you had set it, users in the 'cdrom' group 
would have access to cdrecord as necessary, as noted during the install. If 
the k3b setup program (that you are being prompted to follow) doesn't allow 
you to set it, you can run dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and set it there. Then, 
users in the 'cdrom' group can burn a cd without hassle.

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...Rob
Return address is obfuscated.
You can reach me via robslaptop (at) gmail dot com


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Re: K3b should be run as ROOT!

[Benjamin Sher]

On Sunday 17 July 2005 09:28 am, you wrote:
> ls -la /dev/hdc
> ls -la /dev/hdd
> groups

Dear Stephen:

Here is the output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdc
brw-rw-rw-  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdc
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -la /dev/hdd
brw-rw-rw-  1 root disk 22, 64 2005-02-26 00:38 /dev/hdd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ groups
sher dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Benjamin


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