Replying (was Re: MS Project 2003)

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 21:54 -0400, Michael Z Daryabeygi wrote:
> Anders Breindahl wrote:
> > On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
[snip]
> try looking in the archives for the reply-to question.  We only just 
> went around on this.  Just reply-all and delete the sender.

Is T-bird so primitive that it doesn't have Reply-to-List?

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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Martin Mewes]

Hi Michael,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
> Quoting Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > If you want to give your colleagues access to the system you may
> > use Webmin and let them administer some selected things over the
> > webbrowser.
>
> I agree,
> If your running a gui, then is your plan to give out the root
> password? or give them system accounts and grant rights? (not sure
> how this would work)

You could try to give users a normal account and let them run admin 
things against sudo perhaps. You could setup sudo for these users in 
the way that they need to give the user password instead of the root 
password in order to get more rights. I know how to do this on the 
commadnline, but I am not sure how this works on a desktop like KDE or 
GNOME.

> With webmin, you are root and no one else, but 
> you can create admin accounts that have certain rights to certain
> areas. And, they can access from their workstation via their browser.

In fact this is a bit of such a sudo-environment.

bis dahin/kind regards

Martin Mewes

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Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking''

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 23:06 -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> >On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 04:35:50AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote:
[snip]
> >and Microsoft's reaction was to announce that the next version of MS Office
> >will use the same zipped-XML format that OO uses.
> >  
> >
> Again, I'm probably wrong, but my understanding is that MS is planning
> on using XML, but since XML is not a file format _per se_, but rather a
> "format that describes a format", MS's use of XML does not guarantee
> third-party readability. I especially doubt that MS has chosen to use
> the same format as that used by OOo. If you can offer a link, I'd be
> interested in reading about this; it could be a very interesting thing.

KW is correct.

Especially galling is that it will be "'encrypted' binary within 
XML" and covered by the DMCA.

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Re: corrupt bash file

[Michael Duckwitz]

I had this same problem and it was solved by unmounting the CD and  
mounting it again.


I tried to find the md5sum of the bash file, but I got an IO error.  I  
unmounted the CD and looked at the CD using another computer.  The md5sum  
of the file was perfect when using the other machine!  Just for kicks, I  
stuck it back in the machine I was installing Debian on, remounted it and  
had the installer continue with the installation.  Hard to believe, but it  
worked.


Good luck!
Mike

when trying to install debian it says that the file  
"instmnt/pool/main/b/bash/bash_2
05a_11_i386.deb" is corrupt, then it says it can't download it, i tried  
downloading
the ISO file again in case it didnt download right the first time, but  
it still

doesn't work.



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Re: proper way to change ip and hostname

[Paul Scott]

Matthew Lenz wrote:

rather than grep xarging /etc for occurances of the ip and hostname is 
there a proper "debian way" of changing them?


Editing /etc/hosts ?

Paul Scott


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how to get linux-image from linux-source-2.6.12?

[Xiaoyang Gu]

hi,
 I have installed linux-source-2.6.12. But after compiling the
source, I get a package named kernel-image-2.6.12**.deb. But in sid,
kernel-image has been renamed to linux-image since 2.6.12. Then how
can i get a package named linux-image**  from the source?
 Thanks.
  
  xiaoyang

proper way to change ip and hostname

[Matthew Lenz]

rather than grep xarging /etc for occurances of the ip and hostname is there 
a proper "debian way" of changing them?




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Repost: used dd_rescue to image a partition of failing harddrive-unable to mount badpartition.img using -o loop

[tripolar]

I am reposting this in hopes that someone has an idea or two what I did
wrong
thanks
tripolar wrote:

>Hello
>I have a failing harddrive so I did #dd_rhelp /dev/hdc7
>/mnt/hdb1/120part7_rescue.img
>I saved that image ( 72G ) on a new hardrive
>/mnt/hdb1/120part7_rescue.img I then pulled out the failing harddrive
>and replaced it with a new harddrive /mnt/hdc . I have tried to follow
>these directions " Then run fsck on the image you have created, mount it
>loopback (|mount -o loop /mnt/hdb1/hda1_rescue.img /mnt/hda1 | in my
>case) and then browse through it and recover the files you need. "
>located at http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/wlg/5205
>First I am unable to run any kind of fsck on the .img . I think the
>original parttition was reiserfs.
>Then I went on to try "mount -o loop 120part7_rescue.img /mnt/hdc1/" I
>get "Unknown error 990"
>"mount -o loop -t reiserfs 120part7_rescue.img /mnt/hdc1/" and get this
>error
>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0"
>Anyone with ideas of what I am doing wrong Please help me out.
>Thanks!!
>
>
>  
>


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Re: how to mount an image file ( .img ) in a loopback - mount -o loop ?

[tripolar]

Sergio Cuéllar Valdés wrote:

>2005/7/25, tripolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  
>
>>I backed up a 72Gig partition from a failing harddrive into an image
>>file badpart.img
>>How can I mount that image file in a loopback ( ? ) device?  mount -o loop
>>Any help would be appreciated
>>
>>
>
>First you could create a mount point, for example:
>
># mkdir /media/images
>
>or you could use too /media/floppy or /media/cdrom, but it is better
>to have different mountpoints. Next:
>
># mount -o ro,loop,nodev,noexec,noatime /path/to/file.img /media/images
>
>You could use other options with -o, check the man of mount : )
>
>Cheers,
>Sergio
>
>  
>
Thanks
I still havent been able to mount it. again I get an "error 990"
I posted a detailed message on Saturday about my problem. I will repost
it and hopefully with more details someone can help me out.
Thanks again


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Re: MS Project 2003

[Bradley Alexander]

There was something similar called TaskJuggler, but I don't know whether or 
not it will read/write Project files. As someone said, Project is a beast, 
and I don't know if TJ is up to that level yet, since I haven't looked at it 
in over a year.

On Monday 25 July 2005 22:15, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> On 7/25/05, Michael Z Daryabeygi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anders Breindahl wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> > >>Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?
> > >>
> > >>Rajiv
> > >
> > > Have you tried `less`?
> >
> > Why are you picking on (perceived?) newbies? That's not funny.
> > I'm pretty sure he needs more functionality than that.
> > And I know from his other thread that he is doing his best to get away
> > from M$, so we should genuinely try to help him.
> >
> > Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn. But I would be interested
> > to know if anyone has tried it in wine.
> >
> > > Regards, Anders Breindahl.
> > >
> > > OT: My apologies to Rajiv Vyas for clobbing up his/her mailbox.
> > > Why is reply-to not debian-user? Didn't it use to be?
> >
> > try looking in the archives for the reply-to question. We only just
> > went around on this. Just reply-all and delete the sender.
> >
> > cheers
> >
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Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking''

[Michael Z Daryabeygi]

Anders Breindahl wrote:

On Tuesday 26 July 2005 03:54, Michael Z Daryabeygi wrote:


Anders Breindahl wrote:


Have you tried `less`?


Why are you picking on (perceived?) newbies? That's not funny.
I'm pretty sure he needs more functionality than that.
And I know from his other thread that he is doing his best to get away
from M$, so we should genuinely try to help him.



I am sorry, that you read it as me picking on newbies. That was not my 
intention; I merely (attempted unarrogantly) tried to state the not-always 
obvious.


I didn't think it was that rude and realized that 'less' could in fact 
be useful in some cases.  And the obvious does need to be stated in 
often cases.  But that wasn't the impression I got from Rajiv's sparse 
post.  Thanks for clarifying your intention.


Why you brought the criticism upon yourself for planning to jump down 
people's throats, I don't know.  But I will point out that if it weren't 
for "rude" people like you, I wouldn't have been able to be so polite in 
clueing Rajiv in.  So I guess you serve a purpose if with a sneer.

:-)



I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be ``jumping 
down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the net-etiquette. It 
really makes it less satisfying to be a part of the community. I suppose I 
don't belong on -user with this standpoint; but as it seems like the only 
place in Debian I may be of service, I stick around, keeping my annoyance to 
myself (mostly, that is).


In defence of my post, though:
It is my experience, that the Windows-community uses cleartext files more 
often than one assumes. (Opposite to arbitrary binary formats).
Often I have been able to extract the information I needed by treating the 
files as cleartext.
I am also convinced, that no one would want to run a Windows-only IDE on a 
GNU/Linux machine -- and I therefore assumed that Rajiv only wanted to do the 
``extracting information''-part, and therefore could cope with `less`.




Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn.  But I would be interested
to know if anyone has tried it in wine.



Not that I have the ability to command such development forces -- but wouldn't 
creating a Microsoft-compatible program be a misallocation of Free Software 
development ressources?


Absolutely not a waste.  Microsoft does not just dominate the market for 
software.  Much work for programmers comes with the mandate to use 
microsoft platforms.  Making it easier for developers and other 
professionals to comply without feeding the beast directly seems like a 
service to the cause to me.


The trouble about .doc seems to prove that to me: The more we want a a 
FS-alternative to a Microsoft program, the harder they will make it to 
develop?


Regards, Anders Breindahl.


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Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking''

[Kent West]

Carl Fink wrote:

>On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 04:35:50AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote:
>  
>
>>I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be ``jumping 
>>down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the net-etiquette. 
>>
>>
>Correct people, fine, but that's different from jumping down their throats.
>  
>
I think his use of quote marks indicates that he didn't perceive himself
as jumping down people's throats, but that others might make that claim
when he offers a netiquette-correction.

Of course, I could be wrong.

>OpenOffice has solved the .doc problem,
>  
>
Mostly.

>and Microsoft's reaction was to announce that the next version of MS Office
>will use the same zipped-XML format that OO uses.
>  
>
Again, I'm probably wrong, but my understanding is that MS is planning
on using XML, but since XML is not a file format _per se_, but rather a
"format that describes a format", MS's use of XML does not guarantee
third-party readability. I especially doubt that MS has chosen to use
the same format as that used by OOo. If you can offer a link, I'd be
interested in reading about this; it could be a very interesting thing.

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Re: monitoring web-based email

[Mike Palmer]

Curtis Vaughan wrote:




Yeh, I was afraid that the encrypted factor would cause problems. As  
for legality, it would be interesting to know what other people know,  
but it is my understanding that: whereas the computers belong to the  
business, all activities carried out on that computer are the  
property of the company. This is precisely why email, internet  
activity, etc. can all be legally monitored by a business as long as  
such activity is carried out within the business' LAN and on the  
business' computers. For example, when auditors from a hired  
accounting firm come in, then I don't we would have the legal basis  
for monitoring their computers or their traffic.


Curtis


Not only is it a legal issue, but a moral issue. Not directed at you 
since this was not your decision as you stated. But when are people 
going to learn that treating their employees like a bunch of kids is a 
sure fire way to make any of them with marketable skills to hit the 
road? If they hired them based on their qualifications and their 
character, can they not be trusted to do what they are supposed to do? 
I'm not saying don't monitor things to make sure they aren't doing 
anything wrong or spending excessive amounts of time doing something 
that keeps them from work. Just talking about the practice of playing 
the hand of god on everybodys daily routine. That is all.


-Mike


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NFS problem with debian installation

[Michael Gass]

I am having a problem with a debian install using nfs and a floppy boot.
I am trying to install woody (bf2.4 flavor) on an old 486 with 24M ram
(Compaq Prolinea 4/66).  I am using PLIP as the machine has no network
card and no cdrom.  This target machine is connected via PLIP to a source
machine (686 with 256M ram) running sarge (kernel 2.6).  The source
machine has a cdrom with the debian install cd.  The start of the 
installation goes fine: boot up with floppies and install driver floppies
and the the network.  Can ping the two machines.   The problem starts
with installing the base system - the initial nfs mount works and 
the target machine reads the file structure on the source machine (I
can tell since the the cdrom on the source is running). But after
reading in the cd file structure, the installer prompts for the
install directory (/instmnt).  When I accept the default, nfs dies.
dmesg on the target says 
   "nfs: server 192.168.1.1 not responding, still trying"
If I try to do "ls" on the target, it just hangs and the only thing
that I can do is reboot and start over.  Why is nfs dying at this point.
I have tried stopping and restarting the nfs-kernel-server on the 
source machine with no results.

Note: The above problem happens with the bf2.4 (2.4 kernel) flavor of
woody.  I can install the base system just fine with the vanilla 
(2.2 kernel) flavor of woody.  Any ideas?


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Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking'' (was:Re: MS Project 2003)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Monday 25 July 2005 11:21 pm, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 04:35:50AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote:
> > I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be
> > ``jumping down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the
> > net-etiquette.
>
> Stop it.
>
> I've done that, but I've always regretted it.  Correct people, fine, but
> that's different from jumping down their throats.

Well said.  It's the same as saying, "When I see people not following 
etiquette, I'm going to be rude to them."  It's just an excuse to be rude to 
others.  Pointing out someone else's breach in etiquette is generally 
considered rude in itself, but using that breach in etiquette as an excuse to 
be even ruder is just plain nasty.

We can use whatever excuse we want, but I've found that the way clueless 
newbies are treated on this list is just plain rotten.  There are polite ways 
to say RTFM, but it seems to many are in a hurry to shout RTFMA and excuse 
themselves as "just trying to tell them what to do" (or something similar).

Hal


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Debian Installer SATA detection

[Grant Thomas]

Display all headersDate: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:26:28 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SATA installer detection
From: "Grant Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: Debian user lists


I have a problem getting the Debian Installer to recognize my SATA  
controller.

My computer is a ST20G5, a Shuttle small form factor PC.
Currently I have an 80G SATA drive, and a 120G PATA drive to work with.
I have been able to setup Debian with no problem on the PATA drive, but I  
would rather have the SATA working.
I have confidence that the hardware is good, as I have installed XP to the  
SATA drive, and it works flawlessly.


The SATA conrtoller is a ULi M5287.

The methods I have tried are:
Sarge netboot,netinstall,businesscard CD images and the last few daily  
builds of the netinstall and businesscard CD for the i386

and the AMD64 sections of the ports.

I am at a loss of what to do, but have only come up with some information  
that may help in fixing this problem.
Working off of a previous post by Jim Blake, I have the outpus of lsmod  
and lspci -v.
My files are not after the hardware detection, as indicated in the  
previous thread, but on my installed debian system on the same

machine.

At this point the SATA is not crucial to the system working, but I would  
prefer to keep this entire drive(PATA) for data only.


If it is not possible at this time to configure the drive for boot, I  
would also be interested in detecting the device and using

it inside my current Debian install.

Thanks for any help anyone may throw my way.
Grant


***
lspci -v
***

:00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5950 (rev  
01)

Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32
I/O ports at ff00 [disabled] [size=32]
Memory at  (64-bit, non-prefetchable)

:00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a3f  
(prog-if 00 [Normal decode])

Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 99
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=68
I/O behind bridge: e000-efff
Memory behind bridge: dfa0-dfaf
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d000-d7f0
Capabilities: [44] #08 [a803]
Capabilities: [b0] #0d []

:00:06.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a38  
(prog-if 00 [Normal decode])

Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: d000-dfff
Memory behind bridge: dfe0-dfef
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: dfd0-dfdf
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] #10 [0041]
Capabilities: [80] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit- Queue=0/0 Enable-
Capabilities: [b0] #0d []
Capabilities: [b8] #08 [a803]

:00:19.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation M5249 HTT to PCI Bridge (prog-if  
00 [Normal decode])

Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=32
I/O behind bridge: c000-cfff
Memory behind bridge: dfc0-dfcf
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: dfb0-dfbf
Capabilities: [c0] #08 [a803]

:00:1c.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)  
(prog-if 10 [OHCI])

Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 169
Memory at d000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]

:00:1c.1 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)  
(prog-if 10 [OHCI])

Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 169
Memory at dfffe000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]

:00:1c.2 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)  
(prog-if 10 [OHCI])

Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 169
Memory at dfffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]

:00:1c.3 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller (rev 01)  
(prog-if 20 [EHCI])

Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 177
Memory at dfffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [58] #0a [2090]



:00:1d.0 0403: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 5461
Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device c790
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 185
Memory at dfff4000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2


:00:1e.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation: Unknown device 1573 (rev 31)
Subsystem: Holco Enterprise Co, Ltd/Shuttle Computer: Unknown device f391
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32

:00:1e.1 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller  

Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking'' (was:Re: MS Project 2003)

[Carl Fink]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 04:35:50AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote:

> I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be ``jumping 
> down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the net-etiquette. 

Stop it.

I've done that, but I've always regretted it.  Correct people, fine, but
that's different from jumping down their throats.

> I am also convinced, that no one would want to run a Windows-only IDE on a 
> GNU/Linux machine -- and I therefore assumed that Rajiv only wanted to do the 
> ``extracting information''-part, and therefore could cope with `less`.

Project isn't an IDE.
 
> Not that I have the ability to command such development forces -- but 
> wouldn't 
> creating a Microsoft-compatible program be a misallocation of Free Software 
> development ressources?
> The trouble about .doc seems to prove that to me: The more we want a a 
> FS-alternative to a Microsoft program, the harder they will make it to 
> develop?

Interesting, but counterfactual.  OpenOffice has solved the .doc problem,
and Microsoft's reaction was to announce that the next version of MS Office
will use the same zipped-XML format that OO uses.
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Re: OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking'' (was:Re: MS Project 2003)

[Joel Peter William Pitt]

Ok, this is my first foray into debian-user and this behaviour doesn't
impress me. I'm not a newbie, I've been using debian for the past 6
years after changing from redhat.

Did you actually bother to find anything out about MS Project? If it
is indeed in clear text then 'less' is a useful suggestion, but in my
experience MS files are usually binary. You should have suggested that
they export to a cleartext file if you don't agree with
cross-compatibility - which is actually how M$ behaves by changing
their file formats all the time and keeping them closed.

Just my 2 cents.

Joel

On 7/25/05, Anders Breindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am sorry, that you read it as me picking on newbies. That was not my
> intention; I merely (attempted unarrogantly) tried to state the not-always
> obvious.
> 
> I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be ``jumping
> down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the net-etiquette. It
> really makes it less satisfying to be a part of the community. I suppose I
> don't belong on -user with this standpoint; but as it seems like the only
> place in Debian I may be of service, I stick around, keeping my annoyance to
> myself (mostly, that is).
> 
> In defence of my post, though:
> It is my experience, that the Windows-community uses cleartext files more
> often than one assumes. (Opposite to arbitrary binary formats).
> Often I have been able to extract the information I needed by treating the
> files as cleartext.
> I am also convinced, that no one would want to run a Windows-only IDE on a
> GNU/Linux machine -- and I therefore assumed that Rajiv only wanted to do the
> ``extracting information''-part, and therefore could cope with `less`.
> 
> > Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn.  But I would be interested
> > to know if anyone has tried it in wine.
> 
> Not that I have the ability to command such development forces -- but wouldn't
> creating a Microsoft-compatible program be a misallocation of Free Software
> development ressources?
> The trouble about .doc seems to prove that to me: The more we want a a
> FS-alternative to a Microsoft program, the harder they will make it to
> develop?
> 
> Regards, Anders Breindahl.
> 
> 
>

Re: trying to install debian with no luck

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Jack Farley wrote:


Hello all,

I am currently trying to install debian on my HP pavilion ze4523ap 
laptop with no luck. I have tried downloading both the internet 
install cd and the full cd and using them for the installation with 
the same problem.


The problem is when it gets to the select language screen (the first 
screen) the computer hangs and I have to restart. I have tried doing 
it multiple times and it didn't work. I have also just recently 
installed ubuntu, which installed fine, but I decided to go with 
debian as wine is currently not working on ubuntu.


Has anyone got any ideas?

Cheers.

From,
Jack



Hi Jack

I experienced a similar problem under HP Pavilion ze5000. The 
corresponding bug report can be found at


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314183

It would be nice if you can also contribute to that bug report (or open 
another one if you feel so). This might increase the chance of getting 
it fixed in the future.


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Re: CD Burner

[Rajiv Vyas]

Thanks a lot. Got it working.

Regards,

Rajiv

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Re: CD Burner

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Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 22:33,typed:
> relogin from where? I am not getting the question. sorry.


You are probably using either Gnome or KDE. First, logout from your
current session. Then login again. The relogin is needed to make you
belong to the cdrom group.
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OT: In defence of ``newbie-picking'' (was:Re: MS Project 2003)

[Anders Breindahl]

On Tuesday 26 July 2005 03:54, Michael Z Daryabeygi wrote:
> Anders Breindahl wrote:
> > Have you tried `less`?
>
> Why are you picking on (perceived?) newbies? That's not funny.
> I'm pretty sure he needs more functionality than that.
> And I know from his other thread that he is doing his best to get away
> from M$, so we should genuinely try to help him.

I am sorry, that you read it as me picking on newbies. That was not my 
intention; I merely (attempted unarrogantly) tried to state the not-always 
obvious.

I am also sorry to announce, that I am one of those, who will be ``jumping 
down peoples' throats'' in the case of not keeping to the net-etiquette. It 
really makes it less satisfying to be a part of the community. I suppose I 
don't belong on -user with this standpoint; but as it seems like the only 
place in Debian I may be of service, I stick around, keeping my annoyance to 
myself (mostly, that is).

In defence of my post, though:
It is my experience, that the Windows-community uses cleartext files more 
often than one assumes. (Opposite to arbitrary binary formats).
Often I have been able to extract the information I needed by treating the 
files as cleartext.
I am also convinced, that no one would want to run a Windows-only IDE on a 
GNU/Linux machine -- and I therefore assumed that Rajiv only wanted to do the 
``extracting information''-part, and therefore could cope with `less`.

> Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn.  But I would be interested
> to know if anyone has tried it in wine.

Not that I have the ability to command such development forces -- but wouldn't 
creating a Microsoft-compatible program be a misallocation of Free Software 
development ressources?
The trouble about .doc seems to prove that to me: The more we want a a 
FS-alternative to a Microsoft program, the harder they will make it to 
develop?

Regards, Anders Breindahl.


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Re: CD Burner

[Rajiv Vyas]

relogin from where? I am not getting the question. sorry.On 7/25/05, H. S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 22:12,typed:> Tried that but didn't work. This is what I did to k3b:
>> marked to the cdrom group.after this ... er .. pardon my probably reduntant question, but, just tobe thorough, did you relogin (and confirmed you belong to cdrom groupusing the "groups" command)?
->HS> added the file to be burnt to projects> then tried burning it. I get the message: K3b did not find a suitable> writer. You will only be able to create an image.
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Digital DJ Installation

[David Berg]

I've tried several times to install DIgitalDJ with no success.  Here
are the steps I have taken this most recent time to prep for
installation and running for first time:

mysql packages:
 mysql-admin
 mysql-admin-common
 libmysqlclient14-dev
 libmysqlclient10
 libmysqlclient12
 libmysqlclient14
 mysql-client-4.1
 mysql-common-4.1
 mysql-navigator
 mysql-query-browser

Re: CD Burner

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 22:12,typed:
> Tried that but didn't work. This is what I did to k3b:
> 
> marked to the cdrom group.

after this ... er .. pardon my probably reduntant question, but, just to
be thorough, did you relogin (and confirmed you belong to cdrom group
using the "groups" command)?

->HS



> added the file to be burnt to projects
> then tried burning it. I get the message: K3b did not find a suitable
> writer. You will only be able to create an image.



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Re: MS Project 2003

[Rajiv Vyas]

Thanks.
On 7/25/05, Michael Z Daryabeygi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anders Breindahl wrote:> On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:>>>Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?Rajiv>>> Have you tried `less`?
Why are you picking on (perceived?) newbies? That's not funny.I'm pretty sure he needs more functionality than that.And I know from his other thread that he is doing his best to get awayfrom M$, so we should genuinely try to help him.
Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn.  But I would be interestedto know if anyone has tried it in wine.>> Regards, Anders Breindahl.>> OT: My apologies to Rajiv Vyas for clobbing up his/her mailbox.
> Why is reply-to not debian-user? Didn't it use to be?try looking in the archives for the reply-to question.  We only justwent around on this.  Just reply-all and delete the sender.cheers
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Re: CD Burner

[Rajiv Vyas]

Tried that but didn't work. This is what I did to k3b:

marked to the cdrom group.
added the file to be burnt to projects
then tried burning it. I get the message: K3b did not find a suitable writer. You will only be able to create an image.


rajiv

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Re: where do they go?

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On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 21:07 -0400, Colin wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:31 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> > 
> > If you use GNOME, then the relevant packages are hal and
> > gnome-volume-manager.
> > 
> 
> pmount is not needed for this?

Not my knowledge.

BTW, you'll also need gthumb.

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trying to install debian with no luck

[Jack Farley]

Hello all,

I am currently trying to install debian on my HP pavilion ze4523ap 
laptop with no luck. I have tried downloading both the internet install 
cd and the full cd and using them for the installation with the same 
problem.


The problem is when it gets to the select language screen (the first 
screen) the computer hangs and I have to restart. I have tried doing it 
multiple times and it didn't work. I have also just recently installed 
ubuntu, which installed fine, but I decided to go with debian as wine is 
currently not working on ubuntu.


Has anyone got any ideas?

Cheers.

From,
Jack


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Re: MS Project 2003

[Michael Z Daryabeygi]

Anders Breindahl wrote:

On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:


Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?

Rajiv



Have you tried `less`?


Why are you picking on (perceived?) newbies? That's not funny.
I'm pretty sure he needs more functionality than that.
And I know from his other thread that he is doing his best to get away 
from M$, so we should genuinely try to help him.


Project is a beast that I am afraid to learn.  But I would be interested 
to know if anyone has tried it in wine.




Regards, Anders Breindahl.

OT: My apologies to Rajiv Vyas for clobbing up his/her mailbox.
Why is reply-to not debian-user? Didn't it use to be?


try looking in the archives for the reply-to question.  We only just 
went around on this.  Just reply-all and delete the sender.


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Re: MS Project 2003

[Rajiv Vyas]

my mistake. I  pressed "r" in gmail, so it just responded to you and not the group.On 7/25/05, Anders Breindahl <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:> Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?
>> RajivHave you tried `less`?Regards, Anders Breindahl.OT: My apologies to Rajiv Vyas for clobbing up his/her mailbox.Why is reply-to not debian-user? Didn't it use to be?

Re: MS Project 2003

[Anders Breindahl]

On Tuesday 26 July 2005 02:19, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?
>
> Rajiv

Have you tried `less`?

Regards, Anders Breindahl.

OT: My apologies to Rajiv Vyas for clobbing up his/her mailbox.
Why is reply-to not debian-user? Didn't it use to be?


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Re: CD Burner

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 21:29,typed:
> no.


Right. Add yourself to the cdrom group, relogin and try burning again.
->HS
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Re: Promise SATA300 TX4 support in Kernel 2.6.x

[Colin]

C.Herdeg wrote:
> Hello NG,
> 
> does anyone know 'bout the compatibility to / support for the Promise 
> SATA300 TX4 controller card in Linux with 2.6.x kernels?

The chip number would be the most useful piece of information.  My
motherboard had a Promise 20376 chip on it which required me to download
the source from Promise and compile it myself for my 2.4 kernel.


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Re: CD Burner

[Rajiv Vyas]

no.
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Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 21:00,typed:> Tried couple of them. The funny thing is that K3b and natilus recognize> my Sony Burner but would not burn to the CD.I am not sure if this matters for this problem, but are you in cdrom group?
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Re: where do they go?

[Colin]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:31 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
> If you use GNOME, then the relevant packages are hal and
> gnome-volume-manager.
> 

pmount is not needed for this?


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Re: CD Burner

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Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 21:00,typed:
> Tried couple of them. The funny thing is that K3b and natilus recognize
> my Sony Burner but would not burn to the CD.

I am not sure if this matters for this problem, but are you in cdrom group?

->HS





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Re: Three OS on one HD

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Dreamweaver should even have a linux install. I am just not sure about MS Project 2003. Would love to drop XP if possible,On 7/25/05, Rajiv Vyas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dreamweaver should even have a linux install. I am just not sure about MS Project 2003. Would love to drop XP if possible,


rajiv
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Re: Three OS on one HD

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Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> I need XP only for MS Project 2003 and Dreamweaver. Need to use both
> those software for a program I am doing.

Do they run under Crossover?  If you only need 2 apps you could drop XP
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Re: CD Burner

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Tried couple of them. The funny thing is that K3b and natilus recognize my Sony Burner but would not burn to the CD.On 7/25/05, H. S. <
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> I am looking for a simple straight forward CD Burner. Any suggestions?>> Rajiv>best for me, YMMV, in order of preference:(in terms of features)1) cdrecord package commands
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Re: CD Burner

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Apparently, _Rajiv Vyas_, on 25/07/05 20:18,typed:
> I am looking for a simple straight forward CD Burner. Any suggestions?
> 
> Rajiv
> 

best for me, YMMV, in order of preference:
(in terms of features)
1) cdrecord package commands
2) k3b
3) gnome nautilus cd burner

(in terms of use for simple data writing):
1) nautilus cd burner
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Re: CD Burner

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Rajiv Vyas wrote:


I am looking for a simple straight forward CD Burner. Any suggestions?

Rajiv



I think The simplest way is to write your own short shell script 
(one-liners, basically) to drive the cdrecord package.



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Re: CD Burner

[Alan Ianson]

On Mon July 25 2005 05:18 pm, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> I am looking for a simple straight forward CD Burner. Any suggestions?

There are a few. I use k3b myself.


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Re: Three OS on one HD

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Rajiv Vyas wrote:
I need XP only for MS Project 2003 and Dreamweaver. Need to use both 
those software for a program I am doing.




I mean what kind of cross-installation usage might you have?
Or can they be totaly separated from each other?

Not that I care, but others on this list might jump down your throat for 
a) top-posting, b) CC'ing sender.  Just send your responses to the list. 
 And don't ask why reply-to is not to the list.

;-)









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Rajiv Vyas wrote:
 > Newbie question.
 >
 > I am thinking about having three OS (XP, Debian and SuSE) on one HD.
 > I'll mostly be using Debian (70%), XP (20 to 25%) and
ocassionally SuSE.
 > What's the best way to go about partitioning the HD. Will load XP
first
 > for sure.
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Rajiv
 >

Check the list archives and other lists as well, this topic has been
covered extensively.
You are right to put XP on your first physical partition.  And you can
even use the XP boot loader to multi-boot if you want, though grub works
fine with XP.  If you want to share files with XP, use a FAT32 part
since NTFS writing is not well supported.  I think you can share a home
partition between SuSE and debian, but I am not sure.

So you might have:
1) XP (NTFS)
2) FAT32
3) Extended 1
5) sys1
6) swap 1
7) home

4) Extended 2
9) sys2
10) swap 2

There are of course other options.  You should explain your needs more.




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MS Project 2003

[Rajiv Vyas]

Are there any free software that would open MS Project files?

Rajiv

CD Burner

[Rajiv Vyas]

I am looking for a simple straight forward CD Burner. Any suggestions?

Rajiv

Re: glitch during sarge install from CDROM

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 07:42:57PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> When installing sarge, I was asked whether I wanted to install grub
> as bootloader to my hard disk.
> I said NO (I prefer lilo).
> Then it asked me to explain just where I did want to install the boot loader.
> I left the space blank and went on.
> Of sourse it tried to install grup noplace, and failed with an error
> dialogue.
> 
> Eventually this led me to the list of all phases if installation,
> where I was able to tell it to skip the grub phase and proceed
> directly to the LILO phase, which worked flawlessly.
> 
> Don't you think that it should have given me the option to install
> LILO earlier in the series of questions, so it wouldn't have tried
> running grub with invalid parameters?
> 
> As it is, I wouldn't have stuck it out if I hadn't already *known*
> it was possible to use LILO.
> 
> -- hendrik

I filed a bug report on just this issue when the new installer was still
in testing. It was rejected. I've got to admit that there were so many
issues that really needed fixing and so many issues where the installer
team got it _right_, that this one is not so bad. But, since then I have
seen a number of threads on this list about problems with grub. I wonder
if, now that the new installer is a great success, this issue might not
be re-considered. There are a lot of people for whom lilo is old-and-
confortable, whereas grub is new-and-strange.

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Re: Kernel Compile - the Debian way

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.26.0144 +0200]:
> For an explanation of the kernel workings, Martin Krafft's new book, The
> Debian System, might be the place: http://debiansystem.info/about

My book does not talk about "kernel workings" (which would be an
entire book of its own), but it covers pretty much all aspects of
Debian kernel handling: what the different kernel-* packages are
(starting with 2.6.12, that's linux-*!), when and why they are
needed, how they are supposed to be used, and it shows how to use
make-kpkg to create Debian kernel images, apply kernel patches, and
create modules for existing kernels. Finally, it explains Debian's
approach to modules and how module-assistant makes an
administrator's (and maintainer's life) much easier.

So yeah, if you already know how to compile kernels and you are
looking for the Debian Way, you'll find answers in my book.

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Re: how to mount an image file ( .img ) in a loopback - mount -o loop ?

[Sergio Cuéllar Valdés]

2005/7/25, tripolar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I backed up a 72Gig partition from a failing harddrive into an image
> file badpart.img
> How can I mount that image file in a loopback ( ? ) device?  mount -o loop
> Any help would be appreciated

First you could create a mount point, for example:

# mkdir /media/images

or you could use too /media/floppy or /media/cdrom, but it is better
to have different mountpoints. Next:

# mount -o ro,loop,nodev,noexec,noatime /path/to/file.img /media/images

You could use other options with -o, check the man of mount : )

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Re: Kernel Compile - the Debian way

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 06:00:27PM -0500, Josh Battles wrote:
> I'd like to learn how to compile a kernel the Debian way and haven't had that
> much luck finding a faq or walkthrough that explains what I'm doing
> step-by-step and why I'm doing it.  I hear that it's easier than the
> "standard way" and I'd like to find out for myself what it's all about.
> 
> can someone point me to a doc/faq/tutorial somewhere that gives me the hows
> and a well written version of the whys?  I've searched all over and haven't
> really been able to find much that didn't just tell me to blindly follow the
> given steps.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> - Josh
> www.omg-stfu.com
> 

Look at the package named 'kernel-package'. It is, IMHO, the best! It builds a
Debian style kernel-image package which you can install using dpkg. The man
page for mkpkg (?) is very complete. 

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Re: sym link checker

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 06:56:32PM -0400, Tong wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I didn't find a symbolic link checker using apt-cache search. What is the
> recommended tool for this? 
> 
> Thanks
> 

Look at the package symlinks


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Re: Kernel Compile - the Debian way

[Clive Menzies]

On (25/07/05 18:00), Josh Battles wrote:
> I'd like to learn how to compile a kernel the Debian way and haven't had that
> much luck finding a faq or walkthrough that explains what I'm doing
> step-by-step and why I'm doing it.  I hear that it's easier than the
> "standard way" and I'd like to find out for myself what it's all about.
> 
> can someone point me to a doc/faq/tutorial somewhere that gives me the hows
> and a well written version of the whys?  I've searched all over and haven't
> really been able to find much that didn't just tell me to blindly follow the
> given steps.

A very good howto is at:
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

For an explanation of the kernel workings, Martin Krafft's new book, The
Debian System, might be the place: http://debiansystem.info/about

Regards

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glitch during sarge install from CDROM

[Hendrik Boom]

When installing sarge, I was asked whether I wanted to install grub
as bootloader to my hard disk.
I said NO (I prefer lilo).
Then it asked me to explain just where I did want to install the boot loader.
I left the space blank and went on.
Of sourse it tried to install grup noplace, and failed with an error
dialogue.

Eventually this led me to the list of all phases if installation,
where I was able to tell it to skip the grub phase and proceed
directly to the LILO phase, which worked flawlessly.

Don't you think that it should have given me the option to install
LILO earlier in the series of questions, so it wouldn't have tried
running grub with invalid parameters?

As it is, I wouldn't have stuck it out if I hadn't already *known*
it was possible to use LILO.

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Re: Reference to your work

[Clive Menzies]

On (25/07/05 19:07), Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:57:56PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> 
> Might be ... but he doesn't seem to be trying to sell anything.
> I think this guy sincerely wants to do the
> right thing with copyright and author's paternal rights as
> they apply to some Debain packages.  Other than apparent good intentions,
> he seems to be a little clueless as to how to go about it, and
> I'm trying to be helpful.  If anyone else can help him out,
> it would probably be appreciated.

You could be right.  However, at first I thought it was a European Union related
entity but on looking at their website:

 Welcome to EC-Council

  
  The International Council of Electronic Commerce Consultants
  (EC-Council®) is a member driven international organization of
  academicians, industry practitioners and professionals from
  the e-Business domain. Members include practitioners from all
  levels of various fields and in a broad range of industries.
  These include specialized areas such as academics and
  education, information technology, healthcare, manufacturing,
  financial, communications, and government.

1. for a bona fide researcher, a little homework on www.debian.org
wouldn't indcate d-u as the place to enquire

2. e-commerce professionals would be conversant with the likely
interpretation of duplicate emails.

Regards

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Re: What is etc/profile for?

[Paul E Condon]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:27:02PM -0700, Redefined Horizons wrote:
> Just curious. What is the etc/profile directory for?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Huey
> 

On my machine (OS==Sarge), it is not a directory, but a startup
script for a shell, such as bash. It defines the environment
variable, PATH, and other things that the sysadmin wants to 
happen at startup of every shell. Everything that is always there
whenever you run a console must be set up somewhere. This is
where PATH and the console prompt are set in Debian, and maybe
in lots of other OSs.

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Re: Three OS on one HD

[Rajiv Vyas]

I need XP only for MS Project 2003 and Dreamweaver. Need to use both those software for a program I am doing. 






On 7/25/05, Michael Z Daryabeygi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rajiv Vyas wrote:> Newbie question.>> I am thinking about having three OS (XP, Debian and SuSE) on one HD.> I'll mostly be using Debian (70%), XP (20 to 25%) and ocassionally SuSE.> What's the best way to go about partitioning the HD. Will load XP first
> for sure.>> Thanks,>> Rajiv>Check the list archives and other lists as well, this topic has beencovered extensively.You are right to put XP on your first physical partition.  And you can
even use the XP boot loader to multi-boot if you want, though grub worksfine with XP.  If you want to share files with XP, use a FAT32 partsince NTFS writing is not well supported.  I think you can share a home
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Re: where do they go?

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:31 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:58:46 -0400
> Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > In order to use a *different* application I'd have to know what the
> > *current* application is. As I said, I don't.
> 
> That isn't true, you know.  I have a similar pop-up when I attach my
> camera (and, yes, I know you are using just a card) but I dismiss it not
> knowing what program is raising it and proceed to use the application(s)
> of my choice.  No problems, no knowledge of *current* program.

If you use GNOME, then the relevant packages are hal and
gnome-volume-manager.

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sym link checker

[Tong]

Hi, 

I didn't find a symbolic link checker using apt-cache search. What is the
recommended tool for this? 

Thanks




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Re: Reference to your work

[Rajiv Vyas]

It's actually a girl, I think.On 7/25/05, Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:57:56PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:> On (25/07/05 15:15), Hendrik Boom wrote:> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:07:19PM +0530, Sandhya wrote:> > > Hello,> > >
> > > Greetings of the day. Please allow me to introduce myself as a member of the> > > technical development team at EC-Council. Currently we are finalizing the> > > release version of our courseware that prepares aspirants for the
> > > certification 'Certified Ethical Hacker' as awarded by EC-Council.> > >> > > In this context, we would like to seek your permission to include references> > > to your tool " hammerhead (Analyzing Tool) " published at website url
> > > http://packages.debian.org/ as a resource material for the said> > > instructional material. This will further enrich the knowledge base shared
> > > with the students and the intent is solely to disseminate> > > knowledge-to-knowledge seekers.> > >> > > It would be an honor for us to feature your work here and look forward to
> > > hearing from you regarding your kind consent. All due credits will be given> > > in the courseware in the research endnotes and if you would like to adhere> > > to any specific copyright clause, please do let us know.
> > >> > > We are committed towards protecting intellectual property and willing to do> > > all that it takes to uphold this principle.> > >> > > Thank you for your time and consideration.
> > > Thanks & Regards.> > >> > > Sandhya> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Research Associate> > > International Council of E-Commerce Consultants
> > > http://www.eccouncil.org> >> > I'm not the copyright holder or the author, just a subscriber to> > the debian-user mailing list.  Most of the software distributed
> > as part of the Debian system is covered by the GNU public licence,> > the Lesser GNU public Licence, or another relatively free licence,> > ans copyright in these packages is held by a wide variety of individuals
> > and organisations.  (There are exceptions).  You'll have to look at the> > licences that cover the individual packages yourself.  Fortunately,> > I believe you will find the licence information in the packages
> > themselves, as distributed by Debian.  (Someone please correct me> > if I am wrong on this.)> >> > The GNU licences allow you to copy the works, make your own modifications,
> > and republish them under certain restrictions.  Make sure you read> > the license information and find out what the restrictions are!> >> > If there's anything else you need to know, make a more specific
> > request to the copyright holder, or here.  Maybe someone else will> > know more than I.> >> > By the way, it's generally considered in poor taste to post a number of> > nearly identical messages here.  It looks like spam, even if it isn'e.
>> Looks like spam, tastes like spam ... probably is;)>Might be ... but he doesn't seem to be trying to sell anything.I think this guy sincerely wants to do theright thing with copyright and author's paternal rights as
they apply to some Debain packages.  Other than apparent good intentions,he seems to be a little clueless as to how to go about it, andI'm trying to be helpful.  If anyone else can help him out,it would probably be appreciated.
Isn't there a discussion group specifically for this king ofDebain licencing issues?I'm not any kind of authority on Debian licencing issues.  I'mjust a Debian user, and I decided to answer because no one else was...
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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 01:28:51PM -0700, Anthony Simonelli wrote:
> I am planning on running a Squid Proxy, Postfix,
> Apache, webmail server here at my company and I was
> wondering if it was alright to run a Desktop or just
> X-Windows on this server.  I love using the
> command-line and have become pretty proficient with it
> (I always have a terminal open), but other people in
> my department are not and a Desktop will help them out
> a great deal.  They're used to a Windows NT type
> interface.
> 
> I have always read that a desktop should not be
> running on a server but there is never an explanation
> as to why.  Is there any problem with running a
> desktop on a server other than performance issues? 
> The computer is a AMD 1.1 GHz with 1.256 GB RAM and
> 80GB drive with only 70 users so it should handle it
> just fine.

My AMD gigahertz machines are running desktops.
My 100 MHz Pentium is a server.  It also has a desktop
--  gdm and icewm.

As a server it's fine.  As a desktop it's very slow.
It can take as long as ten seconds to start up an xterm.
I don't even try to use a browser -- except for lynx on one
of the text consoles.

I think you should have no problems, except maybe security
issues in case the extra desktop software has bugs.

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Re: Bochs use

[Jim Hall]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:22:10PM -0500, Jim Hall wrote:

Does anyone have experience with Bochs? Can I actually install it, then W98se, 
then the software I need to have running with minimum hassle? And yes, I know 
that's a very broad question. But I need to start somewhere.





Try qemu.  Having tried both, I found qemu much easier to use.

-Roberto




Both of your answers have given me something to work with. On Sarge, I'm 
looking for a Wine alternative, at least until it gets more mature. I 
thought that an actual emulator of some sort might work better for our 
needs. Does that help?


Jim


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Re: Reference to your work

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 09:57:56PM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (25/07/05 15:15), Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:07:19PM +0530, Sandhya wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Greetings of the day. Please allow me to introduce myself as a member of 
> > > the
> > > technical development team at EC-Council. Currently we are finalizing the
> > > release version of our courseware that prepares aspirants for the
> > > certification 'Certified Ethical Hacker' as awarded by EC-Council.
> > > 
> > > In this context, we would like to seek your permission to include 
> > > references
> > > to your tool " hammerhead (Analyzing Tool) " published at website url
> > > http://packages.debian.org/ as a resource material for the said
> > > instructional material. This will further enrich the knowledge base shared
> > > with the students and the intent is solely to disseminate
> > > knowledge-to-knowledge seekers.
> > > 
> > > It would be an honor for us to feature your work here and look forward to
> > > hearing from you regarding your kind consent. All due credits will be 
> > > given
> > > in the courseware in the research endnotes and if you would like to adhere
> > > to any specific copyright clause, please do let us know.
> > > 
> > > We are committed towards protecting intellectual property and willing to 
> > > do
> > > all that it takes to uphold this principle.
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your time and consideration.
> > > Thanks & Regards.
> > > 
> > > Sandhya
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Research Associate
> > > International Council of E-Commerce Consultants
> > > http://www.eccouncil.org
> > 
> > I'm not the copyright holder or the author, just a subscriber to
> > the debian-user mailing list.  Most of the software distributed
> > as part of the Debian system is covered by the GNU public licence,
> > the Lesser GNU public Licence, or another relatively free licence,
> > ans copyright in these packages is held by a wide variety of individuals
> > and organisations.  (There are exceptions).  You'll have to look at the
> > licences that cover the individual packages yourself.  Fortunately,
> > I believe you will find the licence information in the packages
> > themselves, as distributed by Debian.  (Someone please correct me
> > if I am wrong on this.)
> > 
> > The GNU licences allow you to copy the works, make your own modifications,
> > and republish them under certain restrictions.  Make sure you read
> > the license information and find out what the restrictions are!
> > 
> > If there's anything else you need to know, make a more specific
> > request to the copyright holder, or here.  Maybe someone else will
> > know more than I.
> > 
> > By the way, it's generally considered in poor taste to post a number of
> > nearly identical messages here.  It looks like spam, even if it isn'e.
> 
> Looks like spam, tastes like spam ... probably is;)
> 

Might be ... but he doesn't seem to be trying to sell anything.
I think this guy sincerely wants to do the
right thing with copyright and author's paternal rights as
they apply to some Debain packages.  Other than apparent good intentions,
he seems to be a little clueless as to how to go about it, and
I'm trying to be helpful.  If anyone else can help him out,
it would probably be appreciated.

Isn't there a discussion group specifically for this king of
Debain licencing issues?

I'm not any kind of authority on Debian licencing issues.  I'm
just a Debian user, and I decided to answer because no one else was...

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Kernel Compile - the Debian way

[Josh Battles]

I'd like to learn how to compile a kernel the Debian way and haven't had that
much luck finding a faq or walkthrough that explains what I'm doing
step-by-step and why I'm doing it.  I hear that it's easier than the
"standard way" and I'd like to find out for myself what it's all about.

can someone point me to a doc/faq/tutorial somewhere that gives me the hows
and a well written version of the whys?  I've searched all over and haven't
really been able to find much that didn't just tell me to blindly follow the
given steps.

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Re: where do they go?

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:58:46 -0400
Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In order to use a *different* application I'd have to know what the
> *current* application is. As I said, I don't.

That isn't true, you know.  I have a similar pop-up when I attach my
camera (and, yes, I know you are using just a card) but I dismiss it not
knowing what program is raising it and proceed to use the application(s)
of my choice.  No problems, no knowledge of *current* program.

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Re: Sound is clipping - alsamixer isn't working

[Anders Breindahl]

On Thursday 21 July 2005 17:27, Lars Stokholm wrote:
> Installing ALSA (alsa-base and alsa-utils) broke the sound on Debian
> too. I did it because MPD sounded like the sound was played from within
> a tin can, or something. XMMS is clipping on OSS and ALSA. Before
> installing ALSA, only OSS was working, but it wasn't clipping.

Do I get it correct: OSS works flawlessly under Debian, while installing ALSA 
breaks sound?
If that is the case, you've got a remedy there.

> > Actually, I'd like to see the output of `lsmod`, too.
>
> $ lsmod | grep snd
> snd_intel8x0   36460  2
> snd_ac97_codec 69988  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_pcm_oss55080  0
> snd_mixer_oss  20096  3 snd_pcm_oss
> snd_pcm98728  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
> snd_timer  25732  1 snd_pcm
> snd_page_alloc 11752  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
> gameport4704  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_mpu401_uart 7968  1 snd_intel8x0
> snd_rawmidi25124  1 snd_mpu401_uart
> snd_seq_device  8200  1 snd_rawmidi
> snd57156  9
> snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd
>_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore  10336  3 snd

> > If you enabled the OSS mixer API in the kernel -- could an
> > OSS-mixer-application control the hardware, then?
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about.

In Linux' menuconfig:
OSS Mixer API
  x To compile this driver as a module, choose M here: the module   x  
  x will be called snd-mixer-oss.   x  
  x x  
  x Symbol: SND_MIXER_OSS [=y]  x  
  x Prompt: OSS Mixer API   x  
  x   Defined at sound/core/Kconfig:49  x  
  x   Depends on: !M68K && SOUND!=n && SND  x  
  x   Location: x  
  x -> Device Drivers   x  
  x   -> Sound  x  
  x -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecturex  
  x   -> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (SND [=y])   x  
  x   Selects: SND_OSSEMUL  x  

More or less, if you compile your own Linux'es, this enables you to use ALSA 
without using ALSA-aware mixers.
If this API emulation enabled you to change mixer volumes, the problem you 
have was limited to the ALSA mixer API (and the driver itself could be good 
enough).

You could try it out. I really am running low on advises, though.
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Re: xfce4 dependencies in stable

[Steve Lamb]

Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
> I just installed xfce4 in stable version. i noticed that the package
> xfce4 has not a dependecy requiring that a X server is installed, is
> it a bug or a precise policy?

I don't believe it is.  There's nothing that says the display has to be on
the local machine.

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Re: xfce4 dependencies in stable

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:42:02AM +0200, Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
> I just installed xfce4 in stable version. i noticed that the package
> xfce4 has not a dependecy requiring that a X server is installed, is
> it a bug or a precise policy?
> If it is a bug what should i do?
> 

It is not a bug.  Since X applications can be run remotely and tools
like VNC allow you to run entire xsessions on a machine with no video
hardware and export to a remote display, it makes no sense to require or
depend on the presence of an X server.

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xfce4 dependencies in stable

[Paolo Pantaleo]

I just installed xfce4 in stable version. i noticed that the package
xfce4 has not a dependecy requiring that a X server is installed, is
it a bug or a precise policy?
If it is a bug what should i do?

Thnx
PAolo

Re: Three OS on one HD

[Michael Z Daryabeygi]

Rajiv Vyas wrote:

Newbie question.

I am thinking about having three OS (XP, Debian and SuSE) on one HD. 
I'll mostly be using Debian (70%), XP (20 to 25%) and ocassionally SuSE. 
What's the best way to go about partitioning the HD. Will load XP first 
for sure.


Thanks,

Rajiv



Check the list archives and other lists as well, this topic has been 
covered extensively.
You are right to put XP on your first physical partition.  And you can 
even use the XP boot loader to multi-boot if you want, though grub works 
fine with XP.  If you want to share files with XP, use a FAT32 part 
since NTFS writing is not well supported.  I think you can share a home 
partition between SuSE and debian, but I am not sure.


So you might have:
1) XP (NTFS)
2) FAT32
3) Extended 1
5) sys1
6) swap 1
7) home

4) Extended 2
9) sys2
10) swap 2

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What is etc/profile for?

[Redefined Horizons]

Just curious. What is the etc/profile directory for?

Thanks,

Scott Huey

Eclipse on Debian - No Java?

[Redefined Horizons]

I've just installed Sun's JDK on my Debian Sarge OS. Java appears to
be running just fine when I run "java -version" from the terminal.

I installed IBM's Eclipse 3.01.

Eclipse fires up with no problem when I double-click eclipse.exe.
However, I'm not able to create any Java projects from within Eclipse.
The "Java" section is also missing from the Eclipse Preferences
dialog.

Is Eclipse failing to recognize my Java environment? Any suggestions
on how I would solve this issue?

Thanks,

Scott Huey

Re: Three OS on one HD

[Anders Breindahl]

On Tuesday 26 July 2005 00:02, Rajiv Vyas wrote:
> I am thinking about having three OS (XP, Debian and SuSE) on one HD. I'll
> mostly be using Debian (70%), XP (20 to 25%) and ocassionally SuSE. What's
> the best way to go about partitioning the HD. Will load XP first for sure.

It is my experience, that the Debian installer does a good job detecting other 
OS's. THerefore, I'd install that one last.
The Windows installer doesn't seem to understand the presence of other OS'es. 
Therefore, it will install itself to the MBR, overwriting anything there.
By the way, I experienced problems in Debian's autodetection of Windows XP, 
when it was already patched to SP2.

But the method is:
Windows (remember to have an SP2-installler-CD nearby in the case of Windows 
XP, as you should be unplugged from the network while installing)
SuSE GNU/Linux
Debian GNU/Linux

Regards, Anders Breindahl.


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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[michael]

Quoting Martin Mewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Hello,

On 25/Jul./2005 22:28 Anthony Simonelli wrote ..


I have always read that a desktop should not be
running on a server but there is never an explanation
as to why.


To my intention the main reason is only to install software on a
server which is absolutely necessary to run the server and the
needed systems.

The less software you have installed on a server the less potential
memory leaks and security holes you will find on it.

If you want to give your colleagues access to the system you may
use Webmin and let them administer some selected things over the
webbrowser.


I agree,
If your running a gui, then is your plan to give out the root password?
or give them system accounts and grant rights? (not sure how this would work)
With webmin, you are root and no one else, but you can create admin 
accounts that have certain rights to certain areas. And, they can 
access from their workstation via their browser.




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how to mount an image file ( .img ) in a loopback - mount -o loop ?

[tripolar]

I backed up a 72Gig partition from a failing harddrive into an image
file badpart.img
How can I mount that image file in a loopback ( ? ) device?  mount -o loop
Any help would be appreciated


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Re: Debian kernel source and compiler

[Jules Dubois]

[edited for brevity]

On Saturday 23 July 2005 15:39, Gayle Lee Fairless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Jules Dubois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>   Do the Debian kernel source packages use a new naming convention or
>>   is this new package a vanilla kernel (or something else)?
>>  
> The linux-source-* is the new convention because hurd will be a future
> choice [...]
> 
>>   Should I use GCC 4.0 for compiling the kernel (and ignore the warnings)
>>   or continue to use GCC 3.3?
>>
> It appears that you should use gcc 3.3 for 2.6.12.

For those who might be  interested, I built a "Custom" kernel from the new
linux-source-2.6.12, using GCC 3.3, a slightly modified kernel Makefile,
and make-kpkg.  It builds properly, installs properly, and works properly.

> If I understood the comments, gcc 4.0 will be used
> for later versions (probably starting with 2.6.13).

I'll cross that bridge when it comes to me.  Thank you for your assistance.


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Three OS on one HD

[Rajiv Vyas]

Newbie question. 

I am thinking about having three OS (XP, Debian and SuSE) on one HD.
I'll mostly be using Debian (70%), XP (20 to 25%) and ocassionally
SuSE. What's the best way to go about partitioning the HD. Will load XP
first for sure.

Thanks,

Rajiv

Re: monitoring web-based email

[Douglas Ward]

On Monday 25 July 2005 17:33, Curtis Vaughan wrote:
> Yeh, I was afraid that the encrypted factor would cause problems. As  
> for legality, it would be interesting to know what other people know,  
> but it is my understanding that: whereas the computers belong to the  
> business, all activities carried out on that computer are the  
> property of the company. This is precisely why email, internet  
> activity, etc. can all be legally monitored by a business as long as  
> such activity is carried out within the business' LAN and on the  
> business' computers. For example, when auditors from a hired  
> accounting firm come in, then I don't we would have the legal basis  
> for monitoring their computers or their traffic.

Just check the relevant policy. If the policy (the AUP/TOS) does not make 
clear the employer can (and may) monitor all computer/network activity, 
perhaps it would be good to add such a clear statement. Most places I've been 
to have made this clear in their policy, and one place I've been stated on 
the terminals before logging in to the VAX/VMS system bluntly stated "we 
reserve the right to monitor all keystrokes." (Of course, the VAX/VMS systems 
include the ability to mirror and log any connected terminals; the policy was 
easily realistic for that institution.)


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Re: monitoring web-based email

[Adam Aube]

Curtis Vaughan wrote:

> We have an issue where management wants to monitor possible leaks
> through the use of Hotmail, etc. web-based email accounts. They do
> not want to just prohibit usage of such accounts. So, the question
> is, using SQUID, is it possible to cache what information employees
> are passing through such accounts, even if they are https?

Enabling log_mime_headers in squid.conf will log the POST data (along with
ALL the other HTTP headers), which is probably how messages are composed
and sent, but even that won't help with HTTPS. For HTTPS, you will need
some sort of monitoring app on the workstations themselves.

And, as has already been pointed out, management needs to make sure it is on
sound legal ground in whatever monitoring actions it takes.

Adam


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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Robert Brockway]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Anthony Simonelli wrote:

> I am planning on running a Squid Proxy, Postfix,
> Apache, webmail server here at my company and I was
> wondering if it was alright to run a Desktop or just
> X-Windows on this server.  I love using the
> command-line and have become pretty proficient with it
> (I always have a terminal open), but other people in
> my department are not and a Desktop will help them out
> a great deal.  They're used to a Windows NT type
> interface.
>
> I have always read that a desktop should not be
> running on a server but there is never an explanation
> as to why.  Is there any problem with running a
> desktop on a server other than performance issues?

I never run X on a server.

The main issue is one of stability.  X will bring down a Linux box faster 
than just about anything else.  You want production servers to be stable - 
running X does not improve stability and in many cases reduces it.  If you 
use X long enough you _will_ see it kill an otherwise healthy box.

Remember also that production servers should run as little software as 
possible for reasons of security and stability.  All extraneous software 
is bad on a server and it doesn't get much more extraneous than X.

If they want to access the server graphically what is wrong with starting 
a remote display or (better) starting the graphical app over ssh?

Rob

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Re: USB Pen / Thumb / Keyring Drive

[Douglas Ward]

On Monday 25 July 2005 16:45, H. S. wrote:
> I believe KDE 3.4 is going to offer the feature of doing this
> transparently for the user as is currently being done in Gnome using
> gnome-volume-manager.

I should have stated that, for both Debian and (k)Ubuntu, I was using KDE 3.4. 
It has been a while since made the move on Debian to Alioth 3.4, so I don't 
remember what the previous KDE did with USB media notification. I vaguely 
remember KDE 3.4 as bringing better support for the devices (and I believe 
the media:/ protocol is KDE 3.4+ only).


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Re: monitoring web-based email

[Curtis Vaughan]

On 25 juil. 05, at 14:15, Dave Ewart wrote:


On Monday, 25.07.2005 at 13:48 -0700, Curtis Vaughan wrote:



We have an issue where management wants to monitor possible leaks
through the use of Hotmail, etc. web-based email accounts. They do
not want to just prohibit usage of such accounts. So, the question
is, using SQUID, is it possible to cache what information employees
are passing through such accounts, even if they are https?



If you are wanting to record traffic sent over https, then you  
cannot do
this anywhere between the desktop and the remote server, since all  
that

traffic is encrypted.  You will need an application on the desktop
recording this data before it is encrypted.

However, I would investigate the legal and ethical aspects of this
first, as there are a number of issues here.

Dave.
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Yeh, I was afraid that the encrypted factor would cause problems. As  
for legality, it would be interesting to know what other people know,  
but it is my understanding that: whereas the computers belong to the  
business, all activities carried out on that computer are the  
property of the company. This is precisely why email, internet  
activity, etc. can all be legally monitored by a business as long as  
such activity is carried out within the business' LAN and on the  
business' computers. For example, when auditors from a hired  
accounting firm come in, then I don't we would have the legal basis  
for monitoring their computers or their traffic.


Curtis


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Re: monitoring web-based email

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On Monday, 25.07.2005 at 13:48 -0700, Curtis Vaughan wrote:

> We have an issue where management wants to monitor possible leaks
> through the use of Hotmail, etc. web-based email accounts. They do
> not want to just prohibit usage of such accounts. So, the question
> is, using SQUID, is it possible to cache what information employees
> are passing through such accounts, even if they are https?

If you are wanting to record traffic sent over https, then you cannot do
this anywhere between the desktop and the remote server, since all that
traffic is encrypted.  You will need an application on the desktop
recording this data before it is encrypted.

However, I would investigate the legal and ethical aspects of this
first, as there are a number of issues here.

Dave.
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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 13:28 -0700, Anthony Simonelli wrote:
> I am planning on running a Squid Proxy, Postfix,
> Apache, webmail server here at my company and I was
> wondering if it was alright to run a Desktop or just
> X-Windows on this server.  I love using the
> command-line and have become pretty proficient with it
> (I always have a terminal open), but other people in
> my department are not and a Desktop will help them out
> a great deal.  They're used to a Windows NT type
> interface.
> 
> I have always read that a desktop should not be
> running on a server but there is never an explanation
> as to why.  Is there any problem with running a
> desktop on a server other than performance issues? 
> The computer is a AMD 1.1 GHz with 1.256 GB RAM and
> 80GB drive with only 70 users so it should handle it
> just fine.

Minimalism is one key to security: the less stuff that's running
on your machine, the fewer openings there are for crackers.

If they need a GUI, then only install the GUI apps themselves, and
display them on a different machine.  That will reduce the amount
of X that is installed.

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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[ke6isf]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, ke6isf wrote:

> Of course it's perfectly fine.  Did this for ages myself.

Caveat to what I said here - sent prematurely. =O.o=  While it's fine
(functionally), it's discouraged for security reasons.

-Dennis


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Re: Reference to your work

[Clive Menzies]

On (25/07/05 15:15), Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:07:19PM +0530, Sandhya wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Greetings of the day. Please allow me to introduce myself as a member of the
> > technical development team at EC-Council. Currently we are finalizing the
> > release version of our courseware that prepares aspirants for the
> > certification 'Certified Ethical Hacker' as awarded by EC-Council.
> > 
> > In this context, we would like to seek your permission to include references
> > to your tool " hammerhead (Analyzing Tool) " published at website url
> > http://packages.debian.org/ as a resource material for the said
> > instructional material. This will further enrich the knowledge base shared
> > with the students and the intent is solely to disseminate
> > knowledge-to-knowledge seekers.
> > 
> > It would be an honor for us to feature your work here and look forward to
> > hearing from you regarding your kind consent. All due credits will be given
> > in the courseware in the research endnotes and if you would like to adhere
> > to any specific copyright clause, please do let us know.
> > 
> > We are committed towards protecting intellectual property and willing to do
> > all that it takes to uphold this principle.
> > 
> > Thank you for your time and consideration.
> > Thanks & Regards.
> > 
> > Sandhya
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Research Associate
> > International Council of E-Commerce Consultants
> > http://www.eccouncil.org
> 
> I'm not the copyright holder or the author, just a subscriber to
> the debian-user mailing list.  Most of the software distributed
> as part of the Debian system is covered by the GNU public licence,
> the Lesser GNU public Licence, or another relatively free licence,
> ans copyright in these packages is held by a wide variety of individuals
> and organisations.  (There are exceptions).  You'll have to look at the
> licences that cover the individual packages yourself.  Fortunately,
> I believe you will find the licence information in the packages
> themselves, as distributed by Debian.  (Someone please correct me
> if I am wrong on this.)
> 
> The GNU licences allow you to copy the works, make your own modifications,
> and republish them under certain restrictions.  Make sure you read
> the license information and find out what the restrictions are!
> 
> If there's anything else you need to know, make a more specific
> request to the copyright holder, or here.  Maybe someone else will
> know more than I.
> 
> By the way, it's generally considered in poor taste to post a number of
> nearly identical messages here.  It looks like spam, even if it isn'e.

Looks like spam, tastes like spam ... probably is;)

Regards

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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[ke6isf]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Anthony Simonelli wrote:

> I am planning on running a Squid Proxy, Postfix,
> Apache, webmail server here at my company and I was
> wondering if it was alright to run a Desktop or just
> X-Windows on this server.

Of course it's perfectly fine.  Did this for ages myself.

-Dennis Carr


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monitoring web-based email

[Curtis Vaughan]

We have an issue where management wants to monitor possible leaks  
through the use of Hotmail, etc. web-based email accounts. They do  
not want to just prohibit usage of such accounts. So, the question  
is, using SQUID, is it possible to cache what information employees  
are passing through such accounts, even if they are https?


Thanks for any info.

Curtis


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Re: USB Pen / Thumb / Keyring Drive

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Graham Smith_, on 25/07/05 11:42,typed:
> Hi,
> 
> I was just given a small USB pen drive and would like to get it working with 
> Debian. I am sure you are probable thinking "Oh god not another n00b that 
> can't mount a drive" but thankfully you would be wrong. I don't have any 
> problems mounting the device but it feels very clunky compared to Windows 
> where you just stick the drive in and hey presto it's there ready to be used.
> 
> What I would like it something that will just automagically mount the drive. 
> I 
> have installed the usbmount package (which I presume is the same as 
> usb-mount) but it doesn't seem to do anything. It's created /media/cdrom 
> and /media/usb directories but that is it - it doesn't mount the drive when I 
> plug it in. I am running KDE on Debian unstable and certain sites seem to 
> indicate that one can get KDE to create an icon on the desktop when a usb 
> drive is plugged in.
> 
> Basically I'm interested to know what are my options are?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Graham
> 


In KDE, as another poster replied, you need hal, udev, pmount and to
write a rule for udev and make a mount point for a device for your USB
stick. I have done this in KDE and created a device icon on the desktop.
If I plugin the USB stick and click on the USB icon, it mounts the stick
automatically and you can also unmount it prior to removing the stick.

I believe KDE 3.4 is going to offer the feature of doing this
transparently for the user as is currently being done in Gnome using
gnome-volume-manager. I usually use Gnome and get the USB stick icon on
the desktop as soon as I plug it in and have to unmount it before safely
unplugging the stick -- same as in Windows (in which you have to "Safely
remove" the USB device before unplugging it -- at least in XP).

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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Martin Mewes]

Hello,

On 25/Jul./2005 22:28 Anthony Simonelli wrote ..

> I have always read that a desktop should not be
> running on a server but there is never an explanation
> as to why.

To my intention the main reason is only to install software on a
server which is absolutely necessary to run the server and the
needed systems.

The less software you have installed on a server the less potential
memory leaks and security holes you will find on it.

If you want to give your colleagues access to the system you may
use Webmin and let them administer some selected things over the
webbrowser.

bis dahin - kind regards

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Re: Bochs use

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 03:22:10PM -0500, Jim Hall wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with Bochs? Can I actually install it, then 
> W98se, 
> then the software I need to have running with minimum hassle? And yes, I know 
> that's a very broad question. But I need to start somewhere.
> 

Try qemu.  Having tried both, I found qemu much easier to use.

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Re: Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Stephen R Laniel]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 01:28:51PM -0700, Anthony Simonelli wrote:
> I have always read that a desktop should not be
> running on a server but there is never an explanation
> as to why.  Is there any problem with running a
> desktop on a server other than performance issues? 

I'll take a stab and assume that the main reason people
would suggest keeping the features separate is just for
security reasons: if you have a server connected to the
network, the odds are better that it's going to be an attack
target. In that case, you'll want to reduce the number of
vulnerabilities, which means keeping the number of
extraneous programs to a minimum. If you can do without
GNOME, it's probably best to do without GNOME. But if your
users need it, then you should install it.

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Why not a Desktop on a GNU/Linux Server

[Anthony Simonelli]

I am planning on running a Squid Proxy, Postfix,
Apache, webmail server here at my company and I was
wondering if it was alright to run a Desktop or just
X-Windows on this server.  I love using the
command-line and have become pretty proficient with it
(I always have a terminal open), but other people in
my department are not and a Desktop will help them out
a great deal.  They're used to a Windows NT type
interface.

I have always read that a desktop should not be
running on a server but there is never an explanation
as to why.  Is there any problem with running a
desktop on a server other than performance issues? 
The computer is a AMD 1.1 GHz with 1.256 GB RAM and
80GB drive with only 70 users so it should handle it
just fine.


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Re: Bochs use

[Nelson Castillo]

On 7/25/05, Jim Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone have experience with Bochs? Can I actually install it, then
> W98se, then the software I need to have running with minimum hassle? And
> yes, I know that's a very broad question. But I need to start somewhere.

I think you can install it in Win98se, but I'm not quite
sure.

I've installed debian (sarge) inside of Bochs
(WinXP), but it's damn slow.

Nelson.-

Bochs use

[Jim Hall]

Does anyone have experience with Bochs? Can I actually install it, then 
W98se, then the software I need to have running with minimum hassle? And 
yes, I know that's a very broad question. But I need to start somewhere.


Jim


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Re: Web search utility

[Steve Å]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 10:22:36AM -0700 or thereabouts, Curtis Vaughan wrote:
> Is anyone aware of a utility that will search the web, put all the  
> data in a file or database that is readily accessible, but also that  
> could email the results to you?

Google Alerts; 

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Re: USB Pen / Thumb / Keyring Drive

[Douglas Ward]

On Monday 25 July 2005 11:42, Graham Smith wrote:

> What I would like it something that will just automagically mount the
> drive. I have installed the usbmount package (which I presume is the same
> as usb-mount) but it doesn't seem to do anything. It's created /media/cdrom
> and /media/usb directories but that is it - it doesn't mount the drive when
> I plug it in. I am running KDE on Debian unstable and certain sites seem to
> indicate that one can get KDE to create an icon on the desktop when a usb
> drive is plugged in.
>
> Basically I'm interested to know what are my options are?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Graham

pmount (not usbmount)

If you can mount this, then you'll be able to set this up. Google for 
specifics (unless someone else elaborates for me).

Need: pmount hal udev hotplug usbutils (and, for gnome, gnome-volume-manager)

This should do it. Just make sure in KDE, [configure desktop?] settings are 
enabled to display devices on the desktop. (If the drive doesn't show up in 
media:/, then KDE isn't seeing the drive--and, something else is foobared.)

If you want the device to automatically be mounted to the same place every 
time, then you need to:

1) Create a udev rule (google for 'udev rules') 
in /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules
It will look something like (one line): 
BUS="scsi", KERNEL="sd?1", SYSFS{model}="Flash Disk", NAME="%k", 
SYMLINK="usbkey"

--SYMLINK = its path in /dev/ (here, it's /dev/usbkey)
--If you use multiple devices, and want to distinguish between them, simply 
add more details the the local.rules lines.

2) Create a directory in /media/
(I think usbmount does this, and pmount does this)

3) Create an fstab entry allowing users to mount/umount
(Unless you're using pmount; this breaks the pmount behaviour.)

- - -

I did this in Debian, and don't remember all the steps. But, my setup was not 
very flexible (or easy). So, I just moved my 4-year old Deb system to Ubuntu, 
and usb drives just work. Ubuntu (actually, kubuntu-desktop, not 
ubuntu-desktop--gnome) seems to use this working setup:

pmount hal udev hotplug usbutils

(though the depends mentions hal conflicts with pmount and 
gnome-volume-manager, pmount and hal are both installed)

Maybe installing those will give you the seamless setup Ubuntu has. I think 
part of my inflexible Debian setup included usbmount; maybe pmount is better. 
For pmount (and, maybe usbmount), make sure your user is added to the group 
'plugdev'. The only extra step I used was adding the line 
to /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules for the pamusb setup I use ; 
nothing seems to require configuration beyond installation.


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Re: Reference to your work

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:07:19PM +0530, Sandhya wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Greetings of the day. Please allow me to introduce myself as a member of the
> technical development team at EC-Council. Currently we are finalizing the
> release version of our courseware that prepares aspirants for the
> certification 'Certified Ethical Hacker' as awarded by EC-Council.
> 
> In this context, we would like to seek your permission to include references
> to your tool " hammerhead (Analyzing Tool) " published at website url
> http://packages.debian.org/ as a resource material for the said
> instructional material. This will further enrich the knowledge base shared
> with the students and the intent is solely to disseminate
> knowledge-to-knowledge seekers.
> 
> It would be an honor for us to feature your work here and look forward to
> hearing from you regarding your kind consent. All due credits will be given
> in the courseware in the research endnotes and if you would like to adhere
> to any specific copyright clause, please do let us know.
> 
> We are committed towards protecting intellectual property and willing to do
> all that it takes to uphold this principle.
> 
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
> Thanks & Regards.
> 
> Sandhya
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Research Associate
> International Council of E-Commerce Consultants
> http://www.eccouncil.org

I'm not the copyright holder or the author, just a subscriber to
the debian-user mailing list.  Most of the software distributed
as part of the Debian system is covered by the GNU public licence,
the Lesser GNU public Licence, or another relatively free licence,
ans copyright in these packages is held by a wide variety of individuals
and organisations.  (There are exceptions).  You'll have to look at the
licences that cover the individual packages yourself.  Fortunately,
I believe you will find the licence information in the packages
themselves, as distributed by Debian.  (Someone please correct me
if I am wrong on this.)

The GNU licences allow you to copy the works, make your own modifications,
and republish them under certain restrictions.  Make sure you read
the license information and find out what the restrictions are!

If there's anything else you need to know, make a more specific
request to the copyright holder, or here.  Maybe someone else will
know more than I.

By the way, it's generally considered in poor taste to post a number of
nearly identical messages here.  It looks like spam, even if it isn'e.

--hendrik


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Re: postgresql on Sarge

[Daniel Ramaley]

>> My guess is that libperl5.8 is out of date. Is that correct?
>
>No it's your perl-base whuich comes from etch/sid
>
>reinstall perl-base
>
>apt-get install --reinstall perl-base/stable

Now i think i know what the problem is. When i installed Sarge, i used a 
CD that was a few months old, not the final 3.1r0a release. So it would 
have been set up to pull packages from testing rather than from stable. 
Which would have caused my perl-base to be the wrong version.

Thanks for the help; i'll take a look and see if i have any other 
non-Sarge packages running on the machine. Shouldn't take too long to 
fix now that i know what the problem is.


Dan Ramaley
Digital Media Library Specialist
(515) 271-1934
Cowles Library 140, Drake University


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Re: Is agp 8x enabled?

[LeVA]

2005. július 25. 18:55,
Andras Lorincz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-> user ,:
> Hi,
>
> I can see in /var/log/XFree86.log.0 this line:
>
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 8X
>
> I just want to know if this means that agp 8x is really enabled or it
> just detects that the video card can work at 8x and I need somehow o
> enable it?

Hi Andras!

Seeing that you're using the nvidia driver, you must have a file under 
your /proc fs:

/proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

catting that you will see a line stating your current AGP rate:

$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
Status:  Enabled
Driver:  AGPGART
AGP Rate:4x
Fast Writes: Enabled
SBA: Enabled

HTH,

Daniel


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Re: pstopdf possible

[Wayne Topa]

roberto([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hi, i know that it exists a package "pdftops" to convert ps to pdf files but 
> i do not know if it
> exists a similar tool like "pstopdf" to convert ps to pdf files.
> 
> Do you know anything for debian?

Yes there is, but it is called pdf2ps.  It in in the gs-common
package.

Hint

apropos pdf  -would have shown you, try it.

Wayne

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