Re: lists.debian.org vs google groups
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-06, Tudi LE BLEIS penned: > > On 4/4/06, Monique Y. Mudama <...> wrote: > > > >> Months later, I had filled half my quota, entirely with mailing > >> list entries. But there's no way to delete more than a page of > >> messages at a time via their web interface (please, someone, prove > >> me wrong!) > > > > Either I don't get your point, or you can cimply click on "ALL", > > "READ"... well I have to admit that I never tried. > > I'm pretty sure that "ALL" applies only to the current page. If I'm > right, there's no way to do something to all messages, period. > > If I am wrong, someone please tell me! you think that's bad Using yahoo - I have to actually *tick* (to select) Each-and-Every! little white box alongside each message just to do ANYTHING to it - move, delete, etc. That's only the beginning; since d-u doesn't use gg, and I chose yahoo (over gmail) which had an easier sign up procedure and possibly slighly less *draconian* TOS agreement(?). But - Because I chose Yahoo, I have to Copy and Paste everything I write into yahoo mail and send. I usually read the d-u through gg, and then click Reply (when necessary), while reading d-u through gg, .THEN; I must then Open my Yahoo mail and paste each field in, insert appropriate d-u address in the TO: field - and then send ...ugh, ugh, double ugh! This one I'll try from a typical gg reply - but petsupermarket :-( will be on my case again. OH, I forgot...it WON'T EVEN GO THROUGH I just tried, and i get this nice message; [ "Google Groups does not currently support posting to the following usenet groups: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" ] Thank you google crap - the F'ken Internet is Bork3d and Broken!! My last few posts (very infrequent too) have shown up a full 8-24hrs after the fact as well. Oh - and I use Mozilla Mail - but this list (and others) have w-a-y too much mail for me to d/l and sort through - which is why I prefer webmail over pop3. I did subscribe to this list (for 10 minutes) once, but again, it's too tedious to try and use the webmail's severly hampered interface to delete, organize, etc...plus I do NOT use javascript in my browsers (except on occasion), and that makes it even 10x worse than what I described. I vascilate between on/off when it comes to javacrap, depending, and can never find a happy medium. Most WebSite Developers in general are a bunch of monkey-puppet-bozo assholes. The OSS community-related sites though, are much different (better) IMHO __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wandering network inferfaces
I am having a small problem with the networking on the Debian Etch system I have installed on my Fujitsu P7120 notebook... The notebook has both wired and a wireless, with the wireless interface sometimes showign up as eth1, and sometimes as eth2. I just booted with /etc/network/interfaces specifying eth2 as the device to be configured with DHCP, but it didn't work because eth1 was the wireless interface. I edit the file to change it to eth1 and reboot, and sure enough now the wireless interface has changed to eth2 :-/ I change /etc/network/interfaces back and on my third attempt am successful, but it is a bit of a tedious way to boot the system. Does this indicate a problem, or have I omitted some aspect of the configuration? The output of iwconfig shows 4 lan interfaces, of which 3 are ethernet: lono wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. eth1 no wireless extensions. eth2 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"Vitanuova1" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:11:09:9B:13:E7 Bit Rate=36 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=78/100 Signal level=-50 dBm Noise level=-72 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 sit0 no wireless extensions. Looking at the boot time messages I gather the eth1 device is some form of ethernet over firewire. I am not sure what sit0 is. The network related output of dmesg is: 8139cp: pci dev :06:04.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible c hip 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead. 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :06:04.0[A] -> GSI 20 (level, low) -> IRQ 209 eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0x2000, 00:0b:5d:96:c6:d5, IRQ 209 eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' eth1394: $Rev: 1312 $ Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, git-1.0.8 ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2005 Intel Corporation ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection eth2: no IPv6 routers present ipw2200: Unknown notification: subtype=40,flags=0xa0,size=40 Any ideas? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horde takes forever to load
Quoting "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Did you remove or purge? Did you also have to drop the database tables? -Roberto I did remove the packages, not purge. And I did no changes to the database. At first I downgraded horde3 and im4 to the versions in stable. With my current settings that worked already fine. After that I have upgraded again to the latest versions in testing. I think the downgrade was not needed after all. Butch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrade to KDE 3.5.0 and Kmenu is a mess!
I upgraded my machine from 3.1r1 to backports in order to get KDE updated, and now I have several dozen links hidden in Lost & Found. I really don't want to configure this manually. Is there a way to update the Kmenu to the latest list easily? Rob -- Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lists.debian.org vs google groups
Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: [...] Your problem boils down to the fact that Thunderbird does not provide any convenient commands to make use of that information. When I was getting increasingly annoyed by this myself (with Mozilla Mail), I came across the following Thunderbird extension: http://www.cweiske.de/misc_extensions.htm#mailinglistheader [...] Even without the extension, responding to the list is easy; it takes me four keystrokes to do so. This is how you Tbird users can do it: Add debian-user@lists.debian.org to your address book, and give it a nickname like "debl" or something. When you reply to a list message, select the e-mail address text and type in "debl"; the nickname will be replaced with the list's address. Or Ctrl-Shift-R and remove the poster's email address from the "To:" list. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Permanent /dev/cdrecorder
Marco wrote:
> What's the best startup script to put a
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> # ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrecorder
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> (needed by cdrdao)?
>
I guess you are using udev, so add this to /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules:
ENV{ID_CDROM_CD_RW}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cdrecorder%e"
HTH,
Michael
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Re: slimp3 server behaving oddly
On 2006-04-16, Monique Y. Mudama penned: > I run the slimp3 package. Lately I've been using it a lot more than > usual, because I finally put a client box next to my stereo so that > I can listen to my music on decent speakers. > > Anyway. > > It just stopped working. [snip] With no leads, I gave up and installed slimserver, which seems to be the same idea with a slicker interface and an active debian maintainer. Turns out slimp3 was orphaned. Anyone happen to know the exact relationship between the slimp3 and the slimserver packages? Is slimp3 an older form of slimserver? -- monique Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Taxpayers: America's Army for Linux cancelled
On Monday 24 April 2006 23:14, Paul Johnson wrote: > http://www.linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identiferID=8364&action=f >latview > > Write your congress critter paper letter and ask them to bring back > the Linux version or cancel America's Army for Windows, too. Interesting dilemma for any Quakers (or members of any "peace churches") who are FOSS advocates. Does one take the chance to advocate for open source or suggest that the entire program should be dropped? Certainly one to think about Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
On Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:15 AM GMT, Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 24 April 2006 20:52, Serena Cantor wrote: You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. Cheap 4 port hubs=$40, half duplex. Cheap 8 port switch=$60, full duplex, which would you buy? When buying network equipment, always go with full-duplex switches. Regards, IraqiGeek www.iraqigeek.com Interestingly, according to modern astronomers, space is finite. This is a very comforting thought particularly for people who can never remember where they have left things. Woody Allen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Taxpayers: America's Army for Linux cancelled
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:14 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > http://www.linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identiferID=8364&action=flatview > > Write your congress critter paper letter and ask them to bring back the Linux > version or cancel America's Army for Windows, too. You're smoking crack again, aren't you? (Ha ha, only serious.) -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "Since when do business goals (profit) come before values, ethics, and decency?" Dr. Laura Schlessinger Since the time of the writing of the Old Testament... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:54 -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > [...] > > Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re- > > mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re- > > mount as ext3. > > [...] > > Huh? > > Are you suggesting that you can't permanently delete a file's data by > overwriting the file before deleting it? Not in any journaling fs. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "I think of lotteries as a tax on the mathematically challenged." Roger Jones -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 07:19:02PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Monday 24 April 2006 17:54, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > > I, also, live in Aloha, only about 3 miles from the 'center of the > > universe'. I frequently pass within site of OSDL when I am out > > shopping. I wonder how many of us on this list are in the immediate local? > > I don't know. It would be interesting to get a Portland-area Debianista > meet-up and key-signing party. Hi Paul and others in OR, This link[0] is list of local debian meeting groups. I'm on the one for NYC. Cheers, Kev [0] http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
US Taxpayers: America's Army for Linux cancelled
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Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
Andreas Rippl wrote: On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:46:56PM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: [...] Hi Sumo, Hi Andreas, I have gone through the update (without giving much thought I have to admit) and there was no trouble here. I guess I didn't give a second thought because of the good record updating Debian has with me. I always used to run unstable; sometimes I had (minor) problems, but before Sarge turned stable, I switched from testing to stable, together with a few backported packages. Ever since I do an apt-get update/upgrade from time to time and had no hiccup ever. Yes, I agree :) Based on the fine advice of the many good gentleman and gentlewomen on this mail-list, I've done the upgrade, and it went without a hitch. I'll never figure out how they upgrade the C library without bring the system down. Kudos to the great men and women who make Debian the great O/S that it is. PS. About a year ago I upgraded my father's Windows XP SP1 to SP2. I still shake when I remember the horror of that experience. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
Ron Johnson wrote: [...] Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re- mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re- mount as ext3. [...] Huh? Are you suggesting that you can't permanently delete a file's data by overwriting the file before deleting it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Wulfy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to > play it with some application, I should think it would be possible > with any... AFAIK Timidity is not really a MIDI application as it does not use the MIDI sequencer. Instead it converts the MIDI input itself and outputs it as wave form. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On Monday 24 April 2006 17:54, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I, also, live in Aloha, only about 3 miles from the 'center of the > universe'. I frequently pass within site of OSDL when I am out > shopping. I wonder how many of us on this list are in the immediate local? I don't know. It would be interesting to get a Portland-area Debianista meet-up and key-signing party. If we do get a meet-up going, please not in Aloha, that's too close to Beaverton, and I'm still not over the fact Beaverton Police gave me a speeding ticket on Allen Blvd by Beaverton Christian Church the same day they refused to investigate someone getting shot to death a few hours later on the same spot behind my house they cited me for going 31 in a 30 on a bicycle. They're also too spineless to stop the drug dealing in front of Beaverton High School when classes let out (they'll watch it happen in plain sight right in front of them in their siezed-from-a-drug-dealer DARE car and do nothing). Beaverton's not safe and there is no (useful) police in that city (and I used to live at MLK and Killingsworth Street in Portland!); I feel Linus may have moved there for the same reason he moved to California: Didn't realize it's not the part of the [country|state] you ever want to live for any income or length of time before he got there. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpDivFmvi8KK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
On Monday 24 April 2006 20:52, Serena Cantor wrote: >You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it >does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. > Cheap 4 port hubs=$40, half duplex. Cheap 8 port switch=$60, full duplex, which would you buy? -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word 'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch and kvpnc
> > [snip backtrace] > > In the manage profiles / certificate/PSK area, can you check the option > "File contains PSK", then point to your pcf file? Does that work? > > Justin Thank you Justin for your help, but it looks like I broke a giant rule. I should really RTFM before I ask for help. There was a command I found in the documentation that decoded the PSK to plaintext for use, and this worked fine for what I needed it to. Again, thanks for the help.
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:26 -0500, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:13:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > ext2 is definitely faster than ext3. > > A quick googling turned up a filesystem benchmark comparison at > http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, which shows ext2 and ext3 > almost indistinguishable. > > Do you know of measurements indicating otherwise? 2 years ago, ext3 was definitely slower. This is what I remember. http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA 4 degrees from Vladimir Putin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On 4/24/06, Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I, also, live in Aloha, only about 3 miles from the 'center of the > universe'. I frequently pass within site of OSDL when I am out > shopping. I wonder how many of us on this list are in the immediate local? > > -- > Marc Shapiro I feel the need to reply, although I am not exactly in the "immediate local". I live in Philomath, which is a fair distance (~90 mi) from OSDL, but I'm mere minutes from the OSU Open Source Lab ( http://osuosl.org/ ). Re: average users - Some of my family members know what Linux is, a couple of them would recognize it only as some "computer thing" I had mentioned before, and one uses it, but might be hard pressed to explain exactly what an OS is. I doubt anyone in my father's family has heard of Linux. My brother on the other hand has used it at school and may set up a Linux file server soon. (Gamer + in school learning .NET with VS means he is not likely to switch his desktop.) Cheers, Kelly
Re: Fortune file!
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:34:05 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 18:21 -0700, Raquel Rice wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:54:14 -0700 > > Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Michael M. wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > I grew up in Hillsboro several years ago. I'm going back for > > our (mumble-mumble)-year high school reunion in August. I also > > have a son and a granddaughter who live in Hillsboro. > > That would make it your... 10 year reunion. Right? > > -- > - > Ron Johnson, Jr. U ... yeah! Right! ;-) -- Raquel If you think you're too small to make a difference, you've obviously never been in bed with a mosquito. --Michelle Walker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 18:21 -0700, Raquel Rice wrote: > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:54:14 -0700 > Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Michael M. wrote: > > [snip] > > I grew up in Hillsboro several years ago. I'm going back for our > (mumble-mumble)-year high school reunion in August. I also have a > son and a granddaughter who live in Hillsboro. That would make it your... 10 year reunion. Right? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions." George Orwell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:13:06PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > ext2 is definitely faster than ext3. A quick googling turned up a filesystem benchmark comparison at http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, which shows ext2 and ext3 almost indistinguishable. Do you know of measurements indicating otherwise? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:54:14 -0700 Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael M. wrote: > > > > > Well, my mom asked me what a "blog" was a few months ago because > > she heard some newsmodels talking about blogs on TV. So I > > guess these things can filter down eventually. But she lived > > in Hillsboro, one town west of Beaverton, and I daresay she had > > not heard of Linux. My cousin, a Machead from way back, lives > > in Aloha (kind of wedged in between Hillsboro and Beaverton), > > and I don't think she's any more than vaguely aware of Linux. > > I'll have to ask her. I'm in Portland, on the other side of > > the center of the Linux universe from Hillsboro, so I guess you > > could say my family revolves around Linux, geographically > > speaking, like the planets around the sun (except that we don't > > actually change positions). I think I'm the only one who knows > > what it is, let alone uses it. > > > > Now Nike and Intel, on the other hand ... everyone here knows > > them! > > > I, also, live in Aloha, only about 3 miles from the 'center of the > > universe'. I frequently pass within site of OSDL when I am out > shopping. I wonder how many of us on this list are in the > immediate local? > > -- > Marc Shapiro > I grew up in Hillsboro several years ago. I'm going back for our (mumble-mumble)-year high school reunion in August. I also have a son and a granddaughter who live in Hillsboro. -- Raquel If you think you're too small to make a difference, you've obviously never been in bed with a mosquito. --Michelle Walker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:49 +0100, Doofus wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote: > > > > > >>My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say, > >>FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add > >>journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that > >>ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance demonstrates this. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, ext3 is *not* an add-on to ext2. They use the same on- > >disk structure, but the drivers share little code. > > > >ext3 might have started life as a patched ext2 driver, though. > > > > And is it possible (with a simple vfstab edit) to switch off the ext3 > journalling, thereby running it as ext2 with this new and original > code? And if so, is there any performance difference between the two? ext2 is definitely faster than ext3. > Even if there isn't, what I'm thinking is it seems reasonable to assume > the new code is an improvement on the old (otherwise why bother), so why > are two lines of development being maintained for essentially the same > file system? Choice and flexibility. Remember, Linux runs on everything from wristwatches to mainframes. Besides, you can't "wipe" files on a journaling fs. So, you re- mount your ext3 partition as ext2, wipe the file(s) and then re- mount as ext3. Besides, I don't think there's much active development happening on ext2. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "One of the pleasures of pessimism is that you are correct 90% of the time, and delighted when you are wrong." George Will -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Serena Cantor wrote: > You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it > does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. > > PS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not seems to be a > valid address,right? > Please don't top post :-) You are correct that it is not a valid address. Since the list archives are kept public and mirrored on hundereds of servers across the world, email addresses are left exposed to spam harvesters. Some people take the precaution of obfuscating their own addresses prior to posting. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Fortune file!
Michael M. wrote: Well, my mom asked me what a "blog" was a few months ago because she heard some newsmodels talking about blogs on TV. So I guess these things can filter down eventually. But she lived in Hillsboro, one town west of Beaverton, and I daresay she had not heard of Linux. My cousin, a Machead from way back, lives in Aloha (kind of wedged in between Hillsboro and Beaverton), and I don't think she's any more than vaguely aware of Linux. I'll have to ask her. I'm in Portland, on the other side of the center of the Linux universe from Hillsboro, so I guess you could say my family revolves around Linux, geographically speaking, like the planets around the sun (except that we don't actually change positions). I think I'm the only one who knows what it is, let alone uses it. Now Nike and Intel, on the other hand ... everyone here knows them! I, also, live in Aloha, only about 3 miles from the 'center of the universe'. I frequently pass within site of OSDL when I am out shopping. I wonder how many of us on this list are in the immediate local? -- Marc Shapiro No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom. Sooner or later ... boom! - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to auto start Firestarter?
--- Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Firestarter as such does not need to show up in processes, because it > just activates the native firewall contained in the linux kernel > itself. What you see in the process list is only the GUI. You can > safely shut it down, the firewall will still be running. > It's very helpful, thanks! Just have one more question: although the firestarter process auto-runs after bootup, can I also make the gui part of firestarter also auto-run right after bootup? I've tried to put sudo /usr/sbin/firestart --start and gksudo /usr/sbin/firestarter --start into the Gnome menu Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs, but none of them worked. Is there anyway to do this? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
You are right. Thanks! I will buy a crossover, hope it does not cost much, or I will consider buy a hub. PS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not seems to be a valid address,right? --- Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me elaborate on what 0yvind said. > > You cannot directly connect two computers together > using a regular > network cable. You either need a special cross-over > network cable or > you need two regular cables and a hub or switch. > > > -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to auto start Firestarter?
--- "Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:03:46AM -0700, lmyho wrote: > > Just checked, yes I have S20firestarter in rc2.d. But I have no idea about > > the > > rc*.d directories? What are they for? How does this link I have affect the > start > > of firestarter at bootup? > > The short story is that any script symlinked into /etc/rc2.d will get > executed while your system boots up. (The long story involves sysvinit, > runlevels, and a few other concepts that I'm not well suited to > explain.) > > Since you have that symlink, I expect it should start the firestarter > daemon at boot time. How are you checking that it's not running? > > Does ``invoke-rc.d firestarter start'' or ``invoke-rc.d firestarter > restart'' get it going? > Yes both command get it going. Florian suggested to check after bootup by: iptables -L, I checked, the firestarter is actually running. I am not clear about it, but as Andrei mentioned "Firestarter as such does not need to show up in processes, because it just activates the native firewall contained in the linux kernel itself", it probably doing so. But I have more question about the displayed content of 'iptables -L' now, as the contents seems to have more ACCEPT than I want and what I definded in through the gui of firestarter. Why is this? And how the contents of iptables were defined? Also how to modify them? Another question is although the firestarter process auto-runs after bootup, can I also make the gui part of firestarter also auto-run right after bootup? I tried to put sudo /usr/sbin/firestart --start and gksudo /usr/sbin/firestarter --start into the Gnome menu Preferences->Sessions->Startup Programs, but none of them worked. Is there anyway to do this? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libXda.so
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:52:25AM -0700, Isabella Thomm wrote: > Hi, > > I am using Debian unstable and since the last update to the new xorg my > 3d acceleration does not work anymore. glxgears tells that it misses the > accelerated x library libXda.so.1, which was not necessary before. In > which package is this library or has somebody encountered the same > problem? A friend of mine has the same hardware, everything works fine > and he does not have that library. I have an ati radeon mobility > 9000 and I am using the open source drivers. I could be wrong, but AFAIK, libXda.so is part of the proprietory / commercial X server by Xi Graphics (www.xig.com), and is implementing their "XiG-DirectAccess" X extension. I have no idea, though, why your glxgears is trying to load that lib... Taking a quick glance at their demo package (http://www.xig.com/Pages/Summit/Demos/DX-GoldLinux.html), it seems that libXda.so is being pulled in by their implementation of libGL.so. Maybe you could check which libGL.so you have installed, and run "ldd" on the .so file to verify whether it in fact depends on libXda.so (it shouldn't, AFAICT). Apparently, something went wrong during the Xorg upgrade -- like some old libs not having been replaced properly... (BTW, have you ever had "XiG Accelerated-X/Summit" installed, or have you tried to install the demo version some time in the past?) In case of doubt, I would reinstall the entire GL/Mesa stuff (i.e. the specific implementations of the virtual packages libgl1, libglu1, etc. that you were using while things still worked). Good luck, Almut P.S. Not exactly sure in what way the "radeon" X driver is involved in the whole game: it claims to support 3D acceleration, but what exactly does that mean with respect to OpenGL, GLX, DRI, etc.?? Dunno, sorry. Wiser heads than mine will have to help you here... :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fortune file!
On Monday 24 April 2006 15:42, Michael M. wrote: > Now Nike and Intel, on the other hand ... everyone here knows them! Now if both companies were forced to hire people locally instead of hiring people from out of state or on H1B's, we would be getting somewhere... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp39VRmEGgyp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Monday 24 April 2006 09:27, Steve Lamb wrote: > I find it > mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's > social contract are some of the most anti-social one can run across. I think Chris could just as easily say the same about you. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp7Dm0cJbuVp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HP Laser Jet 1000
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Carl wrote: > A HP Laser Jet 1000 printer and driver was to be installed on a PC > running Debian Etch. Please file this as a bug against foo2zjs, as you describe either problems im the foo2zjs interaction with udev, or a nice howto that might be useful to add to the documentation directory :-) -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4GB HD only reporting half capacity (2GB) -- SOLVED!
BTW, any good recs for drives? Is storagereview.com basically the best place to look? I'm still using a 4.5 GB SCSI disk (with 50-pin interface) as my main storage, and one these days would like to upgrade to something a bit more modern (with only 10x or 20x the space :-)... However, given that what I've got now seems to be insanely robust and reliable (I bought it _used_ many years ago), I'm rather nervous about newer ATA drives, as I hear they're quite a bit less reliable in general. [Other than reliability, noise is also a more important factor than speed for me, but I'm under the impression that modern drives with "liquid bearings" (or whatever) are usually pretty good about noise.] Thanks, -Miles -- Suburbia: where they tear out the trees and then name streets after them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Serena Cantor wrote: > I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? > > I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running > Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the > connection? Is there Linux command that send a message > thru eth0 interface to display on the other PC? Thanks! Let me elaborate on what 0yvind said. You cannot directly connect two computers together using a regular network cable. You either need a special cross-over network cable or you need two regular cables and a hub or switch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: System Locks up after kdevelop install
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 12:41:19AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 14:25:53 -0700, Ross Drinen wrote: > > --- Florian Kulzer wrote: > > [ note: It is maybe better not to quote full email addresses in the body > of the message. This mailing list is archived on many different web > sites. The headers normally get obfuscated, but email addresses in the > body remain in plain view sometimes. This makes it very easy for the > spambots to find them. ] > > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 05:32:58 -0700, Ross Drinen wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Thanks for the suggestion to establish ssh connection. That > > > yields > > > > the following further information on the problem. > > > > When the system "locks up", top shows XFree86 running 100% CPU > > > Usage. > > > > Killing that process frees up the screen, and it goes back to > > > the > > > > KDM login screen, from which I can login and function again until > > > the > > > > next "lock up". > > > > When locked up, the mouse pointer moves about the screen > > > normally, > > > > but no mouse clicks or keyboard actions have any effect. > > > > It looks to me like when I installed kdevelop, I also changed X > > > > somehow (this all started when I installed kdevelop) and removing > > > > kdevelop didn't undo whatever changed in X. > > [...] > > > Requested information is below: > > lspci output: > > - > > :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 > > [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) > > > > > > /etc/X11/XF85Config-4 listing: > > - > > [...] (all looked normal to me) > > > > Section "Device" > > Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]" > > Driver "nv" > > VideoRam512 > ^^^ > > EndSection > > Only 512 KB of video ram seems a bit low to me. You could try to comment > out that line by putting a "#" in front and see if that improves your > stability. (I assume this setting has been like that all the time, > therefore it is not clear why it should suddenly cause problems, but > maybe something changed to make X more "sensitive" to this.) > > [...] > > > Section "Screen" > > Identifier "Default Screen" > > Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]" > > Monitor "Viewsonic va520" > > DefaultDepth24 > ^^ > You could try DefaultDepth 16, this uses less video ram. > > > SubSection "Display" > > Depth 1 > > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > > EndSubSection > > [...] > > > EndSection > > > > Section "ServerLayout" > > Identifier "Default Layout" > > Screen "Default Screen" > > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > > InputDevice "Generic Mouse" > ^^^ > This should be removed or commented out, then the corresponding error > will be gone from XFree86.0.log. Most likely not the cause of your > problem, but it is maybe a good idea to tie up as many loose ends as > possible. > > > EndSection > > > > Section "DRI" > > Mode0666 > > EndSection > > > > > > utput of egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log command > > -- > > [...] (all warnings seem harmless to me) > > > (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice > > (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device > > (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" > > Like I said above, remove the reference to the non-existing "Generic > Mouse". word to the wise: all of Florian's advice is good, but it probably a good idea to only change one line at a time, restarting x in between. None of these things (except maybe the memory) are likely candidates for your problem, but its good practice anyway. nothing like changing four or five lines and thennot knowing which one was pertinent. .02 A > > > Listing of .xsession-errors > > Note: The lines through "Using existing Openoffice.org were > > in the file while X was still looping. The remaining lines were > > generated > > after XFree86 was killed (and before restart) > > -- > > [...] > > > Using existing OpenOffice.org > > soffice.bin: Fatal IO error: client killed > > kded: Fatal IO error: client killed > > KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/0 > > kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed > > kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. > > ksmserver: Fatal IO error: client killed > > kwin: Fatal IO error: client killed > > *** kdesktop got signal 1 (Exiting) > > kicker: sighandler called > > kicker: Fatal IO error: client killed > > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2087, errno = 0 > > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2089, errno = 0 > > klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 > > kdeinit: sendin
Scoop authentication problem
I'm using version 0.9.0-15 of the Scoop CMS, installed via apt-get from the Unstable distribution. When I tried to create a new user account, I got the message "Invalid IP or form key". I threw some debugging statements into /usr/share/perl5/Scoop/Utility.pm and determined that when it unhashes the IP addresses stored in the database, the first few characters get screwed up somehow. So it encrypts a string like "94.229.179.109:1145843199" but when it decrypts it, it ends up with something like "??$?79.109:1145843199". If it had the wrong key, it wouldn't get the second half right. Is there a known issue with the Debian release of one of the relevant crypto packages (I think it uses Blowfish)? Thanks! mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
Doofus wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: chris roddy wrote: so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your show has gotten tiresome. Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's social contract are some of the most anti-social one can run across. I think that's similar the point Chris was trying to make ;-) I use both (I have alot of machines), and both are very good, they both have faults, and both are highly excellent for their target audience. If you want to know which is "better", realise that "better" depends on the user, and try them *both* out. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Permanent /dev/cdrecorder
What's the best startup script to put a # ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrecorder (needed by cdrdao)? Bye, Marco
Re: Fortune file!
Paul Johnson wrote: On Saturday 22 April 2006 21:09, Michael M. wrote: Aunt Matilda is only vaguely aware of what an operating system is, and has no idea that any alternatives exist. Give Aunt Matilda some credit. Odds are if she watches Star Trek or pays any attention to the evening news, she knows it from Captain Sisco out of uniform pitching servers for IBM or from newsmodels talking about it on TV (ever since Linus moved to Beaverton, Linux makes the local news on a infrequent but regular basis, so my viewpoint may be skewed on this). Well, my mom asked me what a "blog" was a few months ago because she heard some newsmodels talking about blogs on TV. So I guess these things can filter down eventually. But she lived in Hillsboro, one town west of Beaverton, and I daresay she had not heard of Linux. My cousin, a Machead from way back, lives in Aloha (kind of wedged in between Hillsboro and Beaverton), and I don't think she's any more than vaguely aware of Linux. I'll have to ask her. I'm in Portland, on the other side of the center of the Linux universe from Hillsboro, so I guess you could say my family revolves around Linux, geographically speaking, like the planets around the sun (except that we don't actually change positions). I think I'm the only one who knows what it is, let alone uses it. Now Nike and Intel, on the other hand ... everyone here knows them! -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream." --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Re: System Locks up after kdevelop install
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 14:25:53 -0700, Ross Drinen wrote: > --- Florian Kulzer wrote: [ note: It is maybe better not to quote full email addresses in the body of the message. This mailing list is archived on many different web sites. The headers normally get obfuscated, but email addresses in the body remain in plain view sometimes. This makes it very easy for the spambots to find them. ] > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 05:32:58 -0700, Ross Drinen wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Thanks for the suggestion to establish ssh connection. That > > yields > > > the following further information on the problem. > > > When the system "locks up", top shows XFree86 running 100% CPU > > Usage. > > > Killing that process frees up the screen, and it goes back to > > the > > > KDM login screen, from which I can login and function again until > > the > > > next "lock up". > > > When locked up, the mouse pointer moves about the screen > > normally, > > > but no mouse clicks or keyboard actions have any effect. > > > It looks to me like when I installed kdevelop, I also changed X > > > somehow (this all started when I installed kdevelop) and removing > > > kdevelop didn't undo whatever changed in X. [...] > Requested information is below: > lspci output: > - > :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 > [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) > > > /etc/X11/XF85Config-4 listing: > - [...] (all looked normal to me) > Section "Device" > Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]" > Driver "nv" > VideoRam512 ^^^ > EndSection Only 512 KB of video ram seems a bit low to me. You could try to comment out that line by putting a "#" in front and see if that improves your stability. (I assume this setting has been like that all the time, therefore it is not clear why it should suddenly cause problems, but maybe something changed to make X more "sensitive" to this.) [...] > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Default Screen" > Device "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]" > Monitor "Viewsonic va520" > DefaultDepth24 ^^ You could try DefaultDepth 16, this uses less video ram. > SubSection "Display" > Depth 1 > Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" > EndSubSection [...] > EndSection > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen "Default Screen" > InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice "Configured Mouse" > InputDevice "Generic Mouse" ^^^ This should be removed or commented out, then the corresponding error will be gone from XFree86.0.log. Most likely not the cause of your problem, but it is maybe a good idea to tie up as many loose ends as possible. > EndSection > > Section "DRI" > Mode0666 > EndSection > > > utput of egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log command > -- [...] (all warnings seem harmless to me) > (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice > (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device > (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" Like I said above, remove the reference to the non-existing "Generic Mouse". > Listing of .xsession-errors > Note: The lines through "Using existing Openoffice.org were > in the file while X was still looping. The remaining lines were > generated > after XFree86 was killed (and before restart) > -- [...] > Using existing OpenOffice.org > soffice.bin: Fatal IO error: client killed > kded: Fatal IO error: client killed > KWrited - Listening on Device /dev/pts/0 > kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed > kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. > ksmserver: Fatal IO error: client killed > kwin: Fatal IO error: client killed > *** kdesktop got signal 1 (Exiting) > kicker: sighandler called > kicker: Fatal IO error: client killed > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2087, errno = 0 > ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 2089, errno = 0 > klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 > kdeinit: sending SIGTERM to children. > kdeinit: Exit. > klauncher: Fatal IO error: client killed > warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 15 object references > alive. > - Arts::SampleStorage > - Arts::Synth_MULTI_ADD > - Arts::Synth_MULTI_ADD > - Arts::Synth_PLAY > - Arts::StereoVolumeControl > - Arts::StereoEffectStack > - Arts::Synth_BUS_DOWNLINK > - Arts::SoundServerV2 > - Arts::Synth_BUS_UPLINK > - Arts::AudioManagerClient > - Arts::Synth_AMAN_PLAY > - Arts::Synth_BUS_UPLINK > - Arts::Synth_AMAN_PLAY > - Arts::Synth_BUS_UPLINK > - Arts::Synth_AMAN_PLAY > - Arts::AudioManagerClient > - Arts::MidiManager > warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and stil
Re: debootstrap fetching nonexistant packages
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:35:18PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > Moin, Christopher. > Du warst folgender Meinung: > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:43:22PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > I'm trying to install debian sarge with debootstrap. > > > The problem is: it's trying to fetch libgcrypt7 which is not in > > > debian-sarge. I tried to exclude libgcrypt7 and include libgcrypt11 but > > > then I get another error because it fails to fetch libgnutls10. If I > > > exclude that as well package-decompression fails. > > > > > > Am I doing something wrong? > > > > Is the mirror you're using up to date? I just tried to install sarge > > via debootstrap using ftp.debian.org and it picked up and installed > > libgcrypt11 automatically. I couldn't however run base-config, but > > that's a different problem. > > > I suppose so, I tried ftp.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org and > ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ... Then I think Joey Hess is right (he certainly has the credentials to know better than I ;) and that it's probably the version of debootstrap. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A grammarian's life is always in tense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes. You can mount an ext3 system as an ext2 without missing a bit, *EXCEPT* for what is in the journal. If the ext3 partition was not unmounted cleanly, data will be lost. Ext3 does add overhead, and takes up space on the disk, so there are minimalist reasons for keeping ext2. Whether or not they actually are different source trees and ext2 isn't just a subset of ext3 now as ext3 was just a patch on ext2 in the past, is beyond my knowledge. Curt- On Monday 24 April 2006 16:22, Doofus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > And is it possible (with a simple vfstab edit) to switch off the > ext3 journalling, thereby running it as ext2 with this new and > original code? And if so, is there any performance difference > between the two? Even if there isn't, what I'm thinking is it seems > reasonable to assume the new code is an improvement on the old > (otherwise why bother), so why are two lines of development being > maintained for essentially the same file system? - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRE1Jri9Y35yItIgBAQKItgf/RjtnO7YcTyW3FJLKLYfdA3Lg9bWswxQw ym7ZVegkRiPaoL1fMvtVhCLP6LNKqS2fPkMC1fuFJI7Pmsn8/kLFjJsjfp7XRB6Y 3wpURG24dUsRi9+IKBfz6LTe0UbojGsCGMXS4aHILwb82kNTLT3OF+xJH6g0roS9 wLSG8l3k734EIssaey39PBYxmoCMNVTO/e+9Mgn3OqDr+04kN2vFC24UiFsMJ/2R fnOvakML5vGbYw08ZthUwP92sNzFcQGMhJJwm4/vK6VDW2PxwJ9fhPRUybAr6mEJ 1UC1Plv2EdCQ1cuhDABiQ6Gj6dkFnAClaUpBBwuMxhUal14RgHoNCA== =dza7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libXda.so
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 10:52 -0700, Isabella Thomm wrote: > Hi, > > I am using Debian unstable and since the last update to the new xorg my > 3d acceleration does not work anymore. glxgears tells that it misses the > accelerated x library libXda.so.1, which was not necessary before. In > which package is this library or has somebody encountered the same # aptitude install apt-file # apt-file update $ apt-file search libXda.so.1 -- Matt Zagrabelny - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (218) 726 8844 University of Minnesota Duluth Information Technology Systems & Services PGP key 1024D/84E22DA2 2005-11-07 Fingerprint: 78F9 18B3 EF58 56F5 FC85 C5CA 53E7 887F 84E2 2DA2 He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. -Jim Elliot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] c programming mailing list
Juraj Fedel wrote: > I do not like to use newgroups Why? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Serena Cantor wrote: I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the connection? Is there Linux command that send a message thru eth0 interface to display on the other PC? Thanks! 'ping' is always a good tool to test connections between hosts. $ ping -c 4 pc1 $ ping -c 4 pc2 Try it from both machines and if everythings is working you should see a reply message from the ping commands. NB! if the machines are connected directly (without a router etc) you'll need a cross-over cable to get your setup to work. -Øyvind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
Andreas Rippl wrote: On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:46:56PM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: Joris Huizer wrote: I don't know exactly why libc6 is upgraded, but the upgrade seems to be part of the 3.1r2 update (see http://release.debian.org/stable/3.1/3.1r2/) I got it too, just tracking sarge too HTH, Thanks Joris, it does help. Wow, we're going to get another point release. This is my first point-release upgrade with Debian. I'm excited. But not so excited that I want the upgrade right *now*. I'll let the rest of you kind and courageous people test it out first :) Yes, I know this is not Sid, but I read with interest the many posts covering the Xorg upgrade. I could practically hear the yelping. Hi Sumo, I have gone through the update (without giving much thought I have to admit) and there was no trouble here. I guess I didn't give a second thought because of the good record updating Debian has with me. I always used to run unstable; sometimes I had (minor) problems, but before Sarge turned stable, I switched from testing to stable, together with a few backported packages. Ever since I do an apt-get update/upgrade from time to time and had no hiccup ever. Except... when sudo did its Sarge upgrade and necessitated a change to sudoers that was not (AFAIK) warned about and synaptic suddenly no longer ran. But I do the same: most often Sarge update/upgrade without a backup first... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
Andrei Popescu wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Hasler wrote: Sumo Wrestler writes: As Joris Huizer says, it's the new point release. I'll get it sometime, but not now :) There is no reason not to get it now. Point releases always go smoothly. If you have been doing security updates you already have most of it. I got it without any problem. Do you need to reboot after this upgrade? I'm asking because I did the upgrade on a remote machine with some hardware troubles and I am afraid to reboot it. Got already answered by the others. No you don't. But I installed on a local machine. Shouldn't make any diff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
Andrei writes: > If the filename doesn't change (of the kernel image) i think neither grub > nor lilo need the update. Lilo does. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to auto start Firestarter?
"Wu-Kung Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got the same problem. A symlink for firestarter is in the rcN.d > directories and it even shows up as started in the bootlog. But it > doesn't show up in the process list until I manually start it. That > plus it seems to have a memory leak are making investigate other > firewall options. > > Can anyone reccomend a firewall that doesn't suck up memory and cause > system instability after long uptimes? Firestarter as such does not need to show up in processes, because it just activates the native firewall contained in the linux kernel itself. What you see in the process list is only the GUI. You can safely shut it down, the firewall will still be running. Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: System Locks up after kdevelop install
--- Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:22:46 +0200 > From: Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: System Locks up after kdevelop install > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 05:32:58 -0700, Ross Drinen wrote: > > [...] > > > Thanks for the suggestion to establish ssh connection. That > yields > > the following further information on the problem. > > When the system "locks up", top shows XFree86 running 100% CPU > Usage. > > Killing that process frees up the screen, and it goes back to > the > > KDM login screen, from which I can login and function again until > the > > next "lock up". > > When locked up, the mouse pointer moves about the screen > normally, > > but no mouse clicks or keyboard actions have any effect. > > It looks to me like when I installed kdevelop, I also changed X > > somehow (this all started when I installed kdevelop) and removing > > kdevelop didn't undo whatever changed in X. > > How about i remove X (and KDE?) and reinstall them? > > I don't think that will be necessary, it is probably either a > configuration problem or a hardware issue. Let's start with your > graphics card: Please run the command "lspci" and post the part of > the > output which identifies your graphics card. (A line with "VGA > compatible > controller" or something like that in it.) Also post your > /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and the output of > > egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log > > Finally, after you have killed X in case of another lock-up, have a > look > at the file .xsession-errors in your home directory. If you see > anything > "suspicious" in the last entries in there, post that as well. > > One of these things will hopefully give us a clue about how to > proceed. > > -- > Regards, > Florian > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank you for your response. Requested information is below: lspci output: - :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) /etc/X11/XF85Config-4 listing: - # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page. # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86 # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Section "Files" FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection Section "Module" Load"GLcore" Load"bitmap" Load"dbe" Load"ddc" Load"dri" Load"extmod" Load"freetype" Load"glx" Load"int10" Load"record" Load"speedo" Load"type1" Load"vbe" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device""/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]" Driver "nv" VideoRam512 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Viewsonic va520" HorizSync 50-75 VertRefresh 50-75 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "D
Re: [OT] c programming mailing list
Juraj Fedel wrote:
Can anybody recommend some mailing list eqivalent or similar to
news://comp.lang.c (I do not like to use newgroups)?
Umm, comp.lang.c is not about programming, it's about a language.
There's a difference.
Mike
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Re: mount --bind and /etc/fstab
Øyvind Lode wrote: Or anyone have a better solution? I don't know about "better", but I do something different. Each user has a "sites" directory in the home area. This is typically structured: ~/sites/www.sitename.com/html/ For some users who ask, I also make a "logs" directory. Users then don't need to leave their own area to upload new content, and you don't have to mess around with unusual mount points. Regards -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam & anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +4745888254 | your mail system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mount --bind and /etc/fstab
Hi all I'm running a webserver for some friends etc. Most of these users only have FTP access (no shell access) and they are chroot'ed in their home directories. Home dirs are under /home but www domains are placed in /var/www and some users are administrating multiple domains. I cannot create a symlink like this: ln -s /var/www/somedomain.com /home/user/www/somedomain.com ln -s /var/www/somedomain2.com /home/user/www/somedomain2.com because that wont work with how chroot is working. Then I found 'mount --bind' and could: mount --bind /var/www/somedomain.com /home/user/www/somedomain.com/ ... This will create quite a few mount points on my server, and will these mount --bind mount points automatically mount on next reboot if put them in /etc/fstab like this: /var/www/somedomain.com/home/user/www/somedomain.com/none rw,bind 0 0 Or anyone have a better solution? This is more of a "best practice" then a actual problem. Thanks, -Øyvind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to auto start Firestarter?
On 4/23/06, Matthew R. Dempsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:03:46AM -0700, lmyho wrote: > > Just checked, yes I have S20firestarter in rc2.d. But I have no idea about > > the > > rc*.d directories? What are they for? How does this link I have affect > > the start > > of firestarter at bootup? > > The short story is that any script symlinked into /etc/rc2.d will get > executed while your system boots up. (The long story involves sysvinit, > runlevels, and a few other concepts that I'm not well suited to > explain.) > > Since you have that symlink, I expect it should start the firestarter > daemon at boot time. How are you checking that it's not running? > > Does ``invoke-rc.d firestarter start'' or ``invoke-rc.d firestarter > restart'' get it going? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I've got the same problem. A symlink for firestarter is in the rcN.d directories and it even shows up as started in the bootlog. But it doesn't show up in the process list until I manually start it. That plus it seems to have a memory leak are making investigate other firewall options. Can anyone reccomend a firewall that doesn't suck up memory and cause system instability after long uptimes? -- swk
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 19:49 +0100, Doofus wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote: > > > > > >>My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say, > >>FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add > >>journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that > >>ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance demonstrates this. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, ext3 is *not* an add-on to ext2. They use the same on- > >disk structure, but the drivers share little code. > > > >ext3 might have started life as a patched ext2 driver, though. > > > > And is it possible (with a simple vfstab edit) to switch off the ext3 > journalling, thereby running it as ext2 with this new and original > code? And if so, is there any performance difference between the two? > Even if there isn't, what I'm thinking is it seems reasonable to assume > the new code is an improvement on the old (otherwise why bother), so why > are two lines of development being maintained for essentially the same > file system? yes, i believe it is possible to edit /etc/fstab. but not all things (like data recovery) are possible with a native ext3 mounted as a ext2 partition as are with a native ext2 partition. -- Matt Zagrabelny - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (218) 726 8844 University of Minnesota Duluth Information Technology Systems & Services PGP key 1024D/84E22DA2 2005-11-07 Fingerprint: 78F9 18B3 EF58 56F5 FC85 C5CA 53E7 887F 84E2 2DA2 He is not a fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. -Jim Elliot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: After recent Debian sid upgrade 2.6.16 to 2.6.16, vmware-config.pl fails
RParr wrote: I have been running VMware 5.5.1 under Debian sid with 2.6.15 kernel and X.org 6.8.x. Now, after dist-upgrading to 2.6.16 kernel and X.org 7.0 (and a lot of other upgrades that came along as part of the deal), building vmmon module via vmware-config.pl fails. vmware-config.pl starts with a message that the kernel was built with gcc 4.0.3 and the build is to use 4.0.4. I said yes, proceed, as I thought this a minor version difference which would be ok. The next part fails with the following messages Any ideas would be greatly appreciated Did you ask this in one of the VMware forums? I can't speak for 5.5.1 because I run the freebie server beta. However, that version is very picky about the kernel headers that are used. Do you have those installed for 2.6.16 (you did not specify what version)? H -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: After recent Debian sid upgrade 2.6.16 to 2.6.16, vmware-config.pl fails
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 20:04 +, RParr wrote: > I have been running VMware 5.5.1 under Debian sid with 2.6.15 kernel and > X.org 6.8.x. > > Now, after dist-upgrading to 2.6.16 kernel and X.org 7.0 (and a lot of > other upgrades that came along as part of the deal), building vmmon > module via vmware-config.pl fails. > > vmware-config.pl starts with a message that the kernel was built with > gcc 4.0.3 and the build is to use 4.0.4. I said yes, proceed, as I > thought this a minor version difference which would be ok. The next part > fails with the following messages > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated <... vmware output ...> Just a suggestion, but maybe an update of the modules can help. You can find them by the name of "any-any update". Use at your own risk :) Philippe De Ryck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to test Ethernet connection
Serena Cantor wrote: I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? Perhaps and over-simple suggestion but... If you give them both an IP address on the same network, you should be able to "ping" one from the other. Regards -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam & anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +4745888254 | your mail system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xmove + ssh failure
Hi
This is a follow-up on a thread from january 2004 - if this mail is not
recognized as a follow-up - please take a look at the problem on
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/01/msg01220.html .
Root of the problem:
When you log into a server with SSH (with X11 forwarding), your
.Xauthority file gets updated with a cookie (generated by SSH? - its not
the original cookie anyway) belonging to a display named
/unix:
e.g.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xauth l
mya/unix:13 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 27be74025ceb8842d2b7d50aa0a60a68
(yes - you guessed right - my server name is 'mya').
Your DISPLAY variable, on the other hand, belongs to 'localhost':
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $DISPLAY
localhost:13.0
For most programs this is fine - but for Xmove, it is a problem. So...
tough luck!
A solution:
---
Very simple: Just add a line to your .Xauthority file (use xauth)
belonging to localhost with the same display and cookie and everything
works. E.g.:
* Terminal 1:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh -X mya
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xauth add $DISPLAY MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 `xauth l
"mya/unix${DISPLAY/localhost/}" | cut -f 5 -d ' '`
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xmove -port 3
Implementing MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 user authentication
XMove 2.0 ready.
* Terminal 2:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh -X mya
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xauth add $DISPLAY MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 `xauth l
"mya/unix${DISPLAY/localhost/}" | cut -f 5 -d ' '`
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ DISPLAY=:3 xterm
and voila... (Here I used display :3 because display :1 was already
taken by another xmove :P)
A side note:
When moving windows (apps) from one display to another, be sure to
update your authority credentials first. If you do not, both xmove and
xmovectrl will crash looping, burning CPU cycles trying to do... well...
apparently nothing!
Apart from that, I think it is a _great_ app which actually deserved a
good maintainer to fix little bugs like the one mentioned above and the
fact that the pixel depth of destination Xserver must be the same as the
pixel depth of your source Xserver.
Using xmove in combination with screen really gives you a lot of
opportunities to have a server (without any screens attached - or even
an Xserver running) running your e.g. icq-client and just have it moved
to your laptop when working on that, or... well... you get the point, I
assume...
Have fun
~Jørn
P.S. - sorry to use the mail adress I am using - but I don't want to
much spam om my primary adress. Want to contact me, replace 'spam' with
'mail' in my sender adress...
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how to test Ethernet connection
I bought a second-hand Ethernet card, how to test it? I have 2 PCs, both have a Ethernet card, both running Linux. Now I connect them with a line, how to test the connection? Is there Linux command that send a message thru eth0 interface to display on the other PC? Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Horde takes forever to load
Butch Coolidge wrote: > > I have managed a way to solve this. After removing horde3 and imp4 and > reinstalling them my webmail is running smoothly again. > > Butch > Did you remove or purge? Did you also have to drop the database tables? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: After recent Debian sid upgrade 2.6.16 to 2.6.16, vmware-config.pl fails
RParr wrote: I have been running VMware 5.5.1 under Debian sid with 2.6.15 kernel and X.org 6.8.x. Now, after dist-upgrading to 2.6.16 kernel and X.org 7.0 (and a lot of other upgrades that came along as part of the deal), building vmmon module via vmware-config.pl fails. Found the answer. Applied newly available http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update101.tar.gz AND reinstalled linux-headers-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8. After which vmware-config.pl worked fine. R.Parr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HP Laser Jet 1000
udev under Debian Etch Linux.
A HP Laser Jet 1000 printer and driver was to be installed on a PC
running Debian Etch.
The appropriate packages were installed (ghost script, foo2zjs, cups,
foomatic, some foo-ppd package etc.) No samba was needed. The printer
needed a bit of special attention. In the time between the printer
being connected to the USB port and the desire to print a page was
realized, an executable (printer firmware) had to be downloaded to the
printer. The executable file, sihp1000.img, was copied form Windows XP
Pro after the HP Laser Jet 1000 print driver code was installed there.
The foo2zjs installation provided a folder for such firmware but there
was no content. The firmware was copied to;
/usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/
A script, Start-HPLJ1000-Printer.scr, was generated and placed there
too. This script was executed by udev once the printer was connected.
When the script was run, the printer would come to life for a few
moments, then wind down. The mod of the script was changed (0744) to
make it executable.
The script, Start-HPLJ1000-Printer.scr, contained the following;
#!/bin/bash
cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.img > /dev/HPLJ1000
exit 0
In /etc/udev/rules.d a symbolic link was established;
010_HPLJ1000 -->../HPLJ1000.rules
The rule HPLJ1000.rules contained one long line;
BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="lp[0-9]", SYSFS{product}=="hp LaserJet 1000",
NAME="usb/%k", SYMLINK="HPLJ1000",
RUN="/usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/Start-HPLJ1000-Printer.scr"
The key RUN caused the firmware script to be executed at the time the
printer was connected to the USB port. Using RUN+= or PROGRAM did not work.
When udev performed its task, one could see the entries /dev/HPLJ1000
and /dev/usb/lp0.
norii --- at --- look ding ca
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Re: Horde takes forever to load
Butch Coolidge wrote: Hello, I am not sure if this is a bug or a misconfiguration on my side. Two days ago I upgraded Horde3 to version 3.1.1-1. Since then all Horde pages take (almost) forever to load after login. Eventually pages get loaded, but only after several minutes. I have checked my logs but I can´t find anything. I hope someone can point me in the right direction. Jochem --- Debian etch kernel 2.4.27-3-686 Horde3 3.1.1-1 IMP4 4.0.4-3 Apache 1.3.34-2 uw-imapd 2002edebian1-13 php4 4.4.2-1 I too have experienced the same problem. I have tried to start some discussion on the pkg-horde-hackers list (CC'd on this mail), but so for nothing has come out as to a possible cause. In my situation, I am running on Sarge with these packages: kernel 2.4.27 (custom compiled) horde3 3.1.1-1 imp4 4.0.4-3 apache2 2.0.54-5 courier-imap 3.0.8-4sarge4 php4 4:4.3.10-16 eaccelerator 0.9.3 (Debian package I made for my own use) I guess that rules out apache, php, eaccelerator and imap as possible sources. That would say to me that the problem, in fact, resides either within Horde itself or within IMP (I am using IMP to handle the authentication). I would be interested to know any other peculiarities about your configuration. -Roberto I have managed a way to solve this. After removing horde3 and imp4 and reinstalling them my webmail is running smoothly again. Butch
Re: Playing midi?
chris roddy wrote: Wulfy wrote: Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to play it with some application, I should think it would be possible with any... I have the same problem with the Control Centre... I've read cryptic mentions of "sound fonts" but have never been able to find any to try... that may be why I can't make it work. Some (wavetable-based) onboard synthesizers (such as those found on EMU10K1 cards) need to be loaded with waveform packages before they will work. The awesfx package contains the tools needed to do this. You will also need a soundfont file to load with these tools. "2mbgmgs.sf2" and "8mbgmgs.sf2" should be productive Google queries. cmr Thanks, Chris! I'm downloading stuff now :) -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After recent Debian sid upgrade 2.6.16 to 2.6.16, vmware-config.pl fails
I have been running VMware 5.5.1 under Debian sid with 2.6.15 kernel and X.org 6.8.x. Now, after dist-upgrading to 2.6.16 kernel and X.org 7.0 (and a lot of other upgrades that came along as part of the deal), building vmmon module via vmware-config.pl fails. vmware-config.pl starts with a message that the kernel was built with gcc 4.0.3 and the build is to use 4.0.4. I said yes, proceed, as I thought this a minor version difference which would be ok. The next part fails with the following messages Any ideas would be greatly appreciated -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# vmware-config.pl Making sure services for VMware Workstation are stopped. Stopping VMware services: Virtual machine monitor done Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 done Virtual ethernet done Configuring fallback GTK+ 2.4 libraries. In which directory do you want to install the mime type icons? [/usr/share/icons] What directory contains your desktop menu entry files? These files have a .desktop file extension. [/usr/share/applications] In which directory do you want to install the application's icon? [/usr/share/pixmaps] Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Workstation is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.0.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.4". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.0.4" anyway? [no] yes What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-amd64-k8/build/include] Extracting the sources of the vmmon module. Building the vmmon module. Using 2.6.x kernel build system. make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' make -C /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-amd64-k8/build/include/.. SUBDIRS=$PWD SRCROOT=$PWD/. modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8' CC [M] /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.h:20, from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:49: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:37:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:43:5: warning: "VMW_HAVE_EPOLL" is not defined In file included from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.h:20, from /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:49: /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:60: error: conflicting types for âpoll_initwaitâ include/linux/poll.h:45: error: previous declaration of âpoll_initwaitâ was here /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:145: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:149: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1-amd64-k8' make: *** [vmmon.ko] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only' Unable to build the vmmon module. For more information on how to troubleshoot module-related problems, please visit our Web site at "http://www.vmware.com/download/modules/modules.html"; and "http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/prebuilt_modules_linux.html";. Execution aborted. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Relay over SSH tunnel with Postfix?
On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 20:55 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 01:58:45PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >You could try `ssh -L 25:localhost:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Of course, that requires that you be root. If that will not work, use > >port 2525 on the first part of the tunnel specification and then > >configure your MUA to use port 2525 on localhost. > > Yes, I've tried that and it works fine, now I want to automate it. > Ideally the tunnel would be created on demand, when postfix needs to > flush its spool. Can I do that? I'm not familiar with Postfix, but in Exim, you can create a simple router that does this. You'll need to set up public-key authentication for password-less logins to the remote box. This needs to be somewhere before the primary router configuration in the exim config: # ssh_remote: debug_print = "R: ssh_remote for [EMAIL PROTECTED]" driver = redirect domains = ! +local_domains senders = [EMAIL PROTECTED] pipe_transport = address_pipe user = local_user data = "| ssh -C -l remote_user /usr/sbin/sendmail -bm [EMAIL PROTECTED]" no_more #- The following values need to be replaced with their appropriate values: mydomain : the real domain (example.com) local_user : the user on the local machine that will be running the ssh machine (this is the user whose public key will need to be on the remote account's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys) remote_user : the user on the remote machine The line "senders = [EMAIL PROTECTED]" is optional. It qualifies this router is used only if the sender address has the domain mydomain. If you wish to relay for all senders, then you can comment it out. Casey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Wulfy wrote: > Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to > play it with some application, I should think it would be possible > with any... I have the same problem with the Control Centre... I've > read cryptic mentions of "sound fonts" but have never been able to > find any to try... that may be why I can't make it work. Some (wavetable-based) onboard synthesizers (such as those found on EMU10K1 cards) need to be loaded with waveform packages before they will work. The awesfx package contains the tools needed to do this. You will also need a soundfont file to load with these tools. "2mbgmgs.sf2" and "8mbgmgs.sf2" should be productive Google queries. cmr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: 4GB HD only reporting half capacity (2GB) -- SOLVED!
Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-23 at 23:38 +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: > >>On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 05:03:12PM -0500, Don Jackson wrote: >> >>>Thanks, Digby... >>> >>>SOLVED THE PROBLEM! >>> >>>Changed the jumpers from "Master" to "C Sel" (cable select?) and behold, >>>BIOS then reported 4.3GB. >>> >>>Just for the record, even the manual (online) from Fujitsu on this exact >>>drive (MPA3043AT) showed two different options for "Master", tried them >>>both, both reported 2.1GB. Don't know what is happening, but I'm happy >>>to have the full use of this rather small (by today's standards) drive. >>> >>>(4 options of jumpers shown: master (two options), slave, and c-sel) >> >>Can't honestly say I understand why switching to 'cable select' would >>have effected the reported drive capacity, especially if there had >>been no jumper changes before the original loss of full capacity. >>It could be that one of the master modes included an artificial >>capacity reduction, and the drive has developed a fault that has >>caused this to apply to both master modes, but not cable select. >> >>But whatever the reason, glad to hear it worked... > > > I remember a glitch in the firmware of some older Fujitsu IDE drives... > > Nope can't find it. > > But basically it came down to using newer cables on older drives causing > signaling issues. IOW, if you used the New 80 wire cables on these > drives with the settings manually specified (with any jumpers or such), > that it would revert to a certain behavior. The fix was to let the cable > position selection do its magic or to use 40 wire cables or both. > > I don't remember it being a limiting of space as it was more a slowing > down to a slower access speed. Hey, anything from that era is ancient > history by now. Wow, I should open a Museum... with all those > 120MB-540MB IDE drives I have laying around. And those Wonderful > 760MB-8.4GB disks too. I am seemingly collecting, Drives with size > limitations... Suhweet. > > Now to start getting the 120GB and larger drives that only show as 120GB > cause the motherboards/controllers only support 32-bit IDE addressing. > Just as a followup for the archives if anyone ever seeks a solution, I am using the newer 80 wire cable on this Fujitsu MPA3043AT drive since that is the cable specified and supplied for the Gateway E3400. That may be it!!! If I recall correctly, used 40 wire cable before on this drive in another computer. BTW, if anyone is interested in real museum pieces, I have some 10 MB (yes, Megabyte) drives first used with the IBM PC, and even before that several 8" floppy drives (non-PC) along with hundreds of 8" floppy disks ;-) Thanks again, everyone, the Fujitsu drive is merrily purring along with Debian installed. Don -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Playing midi?
Florian Kulzer wrote: Hi Wulfy, This is probably not a good moment to mention it, but I actually have no clue about how MIDI works. The OP had an error message which suggested that udev had not created the appropriate node in /dev; this, as expected, seems to be fixable by probing the necessary modules. Beyond that I am lost: When I press the "Test MIDI" button in "KDE Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System" I hear nothing at all. I always figured this was because I do not have any external MIDI instruments attached, therefore I did not investigate it any further. The rest of my comments was aimed at tracking down a possible udev problem; this does not seem to matter here, since you do get the node in /dev. Hmm... I know a little about midi, but not much. Since I'm able to play it with some application, I should think it would be possible with any... I have the same problem with the Control Centre... I've read cryptic mentions of "sound fonts" but have never been able to find any to try... that may be why I can't make it work. [...] Yewdales-lodge:~# lspci :00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) Now Timidity throws an error "Can't open /dev/dsp" :( Oops. I would hope that this can be fixed by rmmod snd_seq_midi rmmod snd_seq alasconf I sorted it when I noticed that there was no sound on my system at all... I went to the Control Centre, turned off sound and then turned it on again... It works! :) I'm back to only Timidity playing midis, but without KMid throwing an error... some progress, at least! Thanks for your help! Much appreciated! -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS outputorder
Hallo, I have found the answer my self. It is CUPS FAQ number 1.7 from the site www.linuxprinting.org. Add to the PPD: *DefaultOutputOrder: "reverse" Vincent Vincent Smeets wrote: Hallo, I am using Sarge with CUPS and a HP DeskJet 670C printer. So far everything is working well. The DeskJet is outputing the paper with the printed size up. This way, the first printed page of a document is at the bottum of the stack. I want to change this that the last page is printed first. I have found an option in the CUPS documentation. I have given (as root so all users share this option) the command: # lpoptions -o outputorder=reverse This option has however no effect. A printed document is still in the wrong order. Am I missing something? Thanks, Vincent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using apt-listbugs
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 09:20:29AM -0400, Rick Reynolds wrote:
> I found out about apt-listbugs from this list -- thanks for that. But
> I'm not sure that I'm using it correctly and/or have it configured
> correctly.
>
> When I do an 'apt-get upgrade' (running testing) the command typically
> fills more than a screensworth while it downloads packages. Then I see
> apt-listbugs running, but the crucial output -- the question that says
> "continue with these or not?" -- is always off my screen, below the
> bottom line. I hit space to no avail, and when I hit return I find that
> I've just answered the default to the question ('YES install these').
>
> This doesn't seem like very helpful behavior, so I'm guessing I either
> need to run apt-listbugs differently or that I need to tweak some kind
> of configuration for it.
>
> A little more info: I typically follow this routine on the weekend to
> upgrade my laptop to the latest etch:
>
> 1. CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a virt console
> 2. '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' to exit X
> 3. 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
>
> Maybe it's the fact that I'm running the upgrade from a virt console?
>
> I'd appreciate a pointer or two.
>
> Thanks,
> Rick Reynolds
> --
> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's
> too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
>
>
Hi Rick,
you do know about /? It allows you to scroll
up and down - whether on the console or in an xterm.
Hth
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Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:46:56PM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: > Joris Huizer wrote: > > > >I don't know exactly why libc6 is upgraded, but the upgrade seems to be > >part of the 3.1r2 update (see http://release.debian.org/stable/3.1/3.1r2/) > >I got it too, just tracking sarge too > > > >HTH, > > Thanks Joris, it does help. > > Wow, we're going to get another point release. This is my first > point-release upgrade with Debian. I'm excited. > > But not so excited that I want the upgrade right *now*. I'll let the > rest of you kind and courageous people test it out first :) > > Yes, I know this is not Sid, but I read with interest the many posts > covering the Xorg upgrade. I could practically hear the yelping. > > > Hi Sumo, I have gone through the update (without giving much thought I have to admit) and there was no trouble here. I guess I didn't give a second thought because of the good record updating Debian has with me. I always used to run unstable; sometimes I had (minor) problems, but before Sarge turned stable, I switched from testing to stable, together with a few backported packages. Ever since I do an apt-get update/upgrade from time to time and had no hiccup ever. -- Andreas Rippl -- GPG messages preferred Key-ID: 0x81073379 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Playing midi?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 11:51:30 +0100, Wulfy wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > >udev should generate the device for you. As John O'Hagan already > >suggested, try to modprobe snd_seq and snd_seq_midi. If that works > >without errors the device should be created. If that goes wrong post the > >error messages, the output of > > > >dpkg -l udev hotplug > > > >and the relevant part of lspci so that we know which hardware we are > >talking about. > Hi, Florian. > > I modprobed the modules. KMid no longer throws an error about the > sequencer. But still no sound... None of the four maps it finds seems > to work. Hi Wulfy, This is probably not a good moment to mention it, but I actually have no clue about how MIDI works. The OP had an error message which suggested that udev had not created the appropriate node in /dev; this, as expected, seems to be fixable by probing the necessary modules. Beyond that I am lost: When I press the "Test MIDI" button in "KDE Control Center > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System" I hear nothing at all. I always figured this was because I do not have any external MIDI instruments attached, therefore I did not investigate it any further. The rest of my comments was aimed at tracking down a possible udev problem; this does not seem to matter here, since you do get the node in /dev. [...] > Yewdales-lodge:~# lspci > :00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems > [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) > > Now Timidity throws an error "Can't open /dev/dsp" :( Oops. I would hope that this can be fixed by rmmod snd_seq_midi rmmod snd_seq alasconf -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote: My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say, FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance demonstrates this. Actually, ext3 is *not* an add-on to ext2. They use the same on- disk structure, but the drivers share little code. ext3 might have started life as a patched ext2 driver, though. And is it possible (with a simple vfstab edit) to switch off the ext3 journalling, thereby running it as ext2 with this new and original code? And if so, is there any performance difference between the two? Even if there isn't, what I'm thinking is it seems reasonable to assume the new code is an improvement on the old (otherwise why bother), so why are two lines of development being maintained for essentially the same file system? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 07:26:38PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > Joris Huizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > > > Do you need to reboot after this upgrade? I'm asking because I did the > > > > upgrade on a remote machine with some hardware troubles and I am afraid > > > > to reboot it. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... if you got a new kernel image you need to restart the machine to > > > use it (untill then it's running with the older version of the kernel) > > > Apart from that there shouldn't be any need to reboot, as I wrote before > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > Joris > > > > I knew about the services and kernel part, but wasn't sure about libc, > > as it's a pretty important part of a system. BTW, if you upgrade the > > same kernel you are strongly encouraged to reboot ASAP, because of > > module dependencies. > > And if you use lilo to set up bootablility, you'd better run it *before* > you reboot; otherwise it will not be able to find the new kernel. And > the old one will have been replaced, if it's really just a bugfix of the > same kernel version. > > Anybody know about grub in this context? If the filename doesn't change (of the kernel image) i think neither grub nor lilo need the update. But it doesn't hurt. Unless you changed menu.lst without reading/understanding the instructions inside. Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debootstrap fetching nonexistant packages
Moin, Christopher. Du warst folgender Meinung: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:43:22PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I'm trying to install debian sarge with debootstrap. > > The problem is: it's trying to fetch libgcrypt7 which is not in > > debian-sarge. I tried to exclude libgcrypt7 and include libgcrypt11 but > > then I get another error because it fails to fetch libgnutls10. If I > > exclude that as well package-decompression fails. > > > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Is the mirror you're using up to date? I just tried to install sarge > via debootstrap using ftp.debian.org and it picked up and installed > libgcrypt11 automatically. I couldn't however run base-config, but > that's a different problem. > I suppose so, I tried ftp.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org and ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gdm config error
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 04:21:34PM +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:37:27 -0400 > Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When I logout and gdm restarts I get the following requestor: > > > > -- > > Configuration Is Not Correct > > > > The configuration file contains an invalid command line for the login > > dialog, so running the default command. Please fix your configuration. > > -- > > > > 1. What configuration file is it talking about? > > 2. How can I find the offending line? > > > > The file is /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. I don't know what the "command line for > the login dialog" is. If you are unable to find the offending line, > you can restore the default gdm configuration by deleting the file. > Then you can run gdmsetup to customise gdm again. The problem was that gdmlogin and gdmgreeter were moved from /usr/bin (which was referenced in the default config) to /usr/lib/gdm. -- "A sect or party is an elegant incognito devised to save a man from the vexation of thinking." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If that is the missing quote to which you were referring, then yes, it > was more relevent than the later reference to apt-get'ing msttcorefonts. > > But I didn't interpret it as meaining 'there are lots of efforts going > on in this direction'. It sounded to me like he was saying that lack of > manpower was more of an impediment to easier installation than lack of > technology or licencing issues. If you are reading it differently, then > perhaps it needs clarification. Things have been done (msttcorefonts) and things need to be done. This is never going to change. Sadly I am no developer, else I would try to help. > I don't really see the reason for the frustration you are referring to. > Ubuntu has some differences in priorities, so it is not unreasonable that > in any objective comparison between it and Debian, there will be advantages > and disadvantages on both sides. I agree. The frustration was about something else, but doesn't matter. > I think the originator of this thread was probably just interested in what > peaples impressions of the differences are, rather than going into the > philosophy behind each difference and long discussions about what can be > done to address any area where Ubuntu seems to have an advantage. But we do want our favorite distro to become better, don't we? I have nothing against long discussions as long as they are constructive in some way. > I'll grant that there may well be good reasons for the Debian installer > not to be able to use my Wireless hardware when the Ubuntu installer > managed it, but I think it would be a stretch to argue that that was > not a disadvantage from the point of view of someone attempting to do > an installation on hardware that uses it - especially someone who may > not be experienced with Linux. I think nobody argued that Ubuntu is most of the times better for newcomers. > That is not a criticism of Debian or a request for change. It is just > information that may be useful for someone deciding between the two > distributions if ease of installation is a priority. It just seems > difficult to make such observations without evangelists getting > defensive. This is never going to change. There will always be extremists on both sides. And I bet, next month when the same question will come up (and it will come up) it will all start from the beginning. The Never Ending Story :) Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you grow brocolli?
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 07:59:15PM +0100, Adam Funk wrote: > On 2006-04-17, Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Ich bin hier um Linux zu gesprechen gekommen. Aber ich auch ziehe > >> gern Kräuter... > >> > >> (Trotz meines Namens bin ich nicht deutscher.) > > > > Man hat es geraten, ohne Sie es zu sagen! > > Oh weh mir! > ;-) > You guys are hilarious...:) > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andreas Rippl -- GPG messages preferred Key-ID: 0x81073379 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 13:19 -0400, Curt Howland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > [snip] > My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say, > FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add > journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that > ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance demonstrates this. Actually, ext3 is *not* an add-on to ext2. They use the same on- disk structure, but the drivers share little code. ext3 might have started life as a patched ext2 driver, though. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA "It's a great country, where anybody can grow up to be president . . . except me." Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libXda.so
Hi, I am using Debian unstable and since the last update to the new xorg my 3d acceleration does not work anymore. glxgears tells that it misses the accelerated x library libXda.so.1, which was not necessary before. In which package is this library or has somebody encountered the same problem? A friend of mine has the same hardware, everything works fine and he does not have that library. I have an ati radeon mobility 9000 and I am using the open source drivers. Regards, Isabella -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qmail and checkpassword
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 07:52:18AM -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote: > Some troubleshooting revealed that checkpassword was complaining about > errno. A bit of time on Google indicated that I should modify conf-cc > to include the errno.h header and recompile checkpassword. I did and > the errno error went away. I'm not sure what caused this to happen. Ulrich Drepper doesn't know how to export an errno symbol pointing to the default error memory location for single threaded programs. (Every other major libc does this, and glibc used to as well.) As for the authorization failure when you use telnet, I'm not as sure. Have you checked qmail-pop3d's log files for anything indicating the programs failing to run? Can you try running qmail-popup/checkpassword/ qmail-pop3d using the same softlimits that tcpserver uses to see if that's the culprit? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
building linux-wlan-ng
Forwarded Message > From: lostson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Debian > Subject: building linux-wlan-ng > Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:01:32 -0500 > > Hello > I am trying to build linux-wlan-ng and i am using module-assistant when > i get to the build stage i get this error > > dh_testdir: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory > > Have i missed installing something i need here or am i just completely > missing a step. This is on Etch btw, thanks. -- LostSon http://www.lostsonsvault.org /\ \ \ \__/ \__/ \ \ (oo) (oo) \_\/~~\_/~~\_ _.-~===~-._ (___) \___/ I Want To Believe signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
Steve Lamb wrote: chris roddy wrote: so, just switch to mepis and unsubscribe from debian-user already. your show has gotten tiresome. Might I suggest a filter? Or maybe just pressing delete? I find it mildly ironic that people who flock to a distribution supposedly for it's social contract are some of the most anti-social one can run across. I think that's similar the point Chris was trying to make ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 01:14:41PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And if you use lilo to set up bootablility, you'd better run it *before* > you reboot; otherwise it will not be able to find the new kernel. And > the old one will have been replaced, if it's really just a bugfix of the > same kernel version. > > Anybody know about grub in this context? If you installed with grub, it sets post-install hooks to run update-grub, which does all the work for you. Not sure how to set that up if you switched from lilo to grub after install phase. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Girls who throw themselves at men, are actually taking very careful aim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 05:38:13PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:55:00AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > For example, if the licensing restrictions on the downloadable firmware > > > > for > > > > a particular network adapter prevent it from being included on the > > > > install > > > > CD, then perhaps the install CD can be made to look for additional > > > > software > > > > on a USB pen that can be used by the installer to provide license > > > > restricted > > > > software. Or perhaps we can find a way to make it easier for people to > > > > avoid buying hardware that relies on license restricted software in the > > > > first place. > > > > > > IMHO, just as Joey Hess pointed out (in his missing post), there are > > > lots of efforts going into this direction. Just install msttcorefonts > > > and you'll know what I'm talking about. I just can't get easier than > > > that. You apt-get the package and the install scripts will download all > > > the font files and install them for you. You won't notice the > > > difference unless you watch apt's output. > > > > Ah yes, but the problem is - how do I apt-get the network adapter > > firmware mentioned in the example above when > > a) the network doesn't work because it needs the firmware, and > > b) Debian is not installed yet, because the installer needs the network... > > > > Again for those that missed it - I am entirely happy with the method for > > installing license restricted packages using alternate repositories > > after a Debian system has been successfully installed on the hardware... > > Sorry, I missed that, but see below. > > > My comments above (and the initial comments comparing Debian and Ubuntu) > > were specifically addressing ease of getting an initial working system > > installed. > > > > Or have I misunderstood what you are saying in some way? > > > > I suspect that there are more misunderstandings of what people are saying > > than actual disagreements in this thread... > > Exactly. I can now understand Joey Hess's frustration about his > message. Let me quote: > > [quote] > Some, like the ndiswrapper, are even in > Debian proper. It should be even easier to integrate such drivers into > the installer. For example all that needs doing for ndiswrapper is: > > 1) Someone doing the work to keep ndiswrapper kernel modules in Debian >up-to-date with the current version of the kernel in Debian, which is >not currently being done. > 2) Someone writing the necessary code to let the installer prompt or a >windows driver CD, pull the windows drivers off it and feed them to >ndiswrapper. > > (I'll tell you what: someone take care of #1, and I'll do #2.) > [end quote] > > Or are you talking about more complicated cases? If that is the missing quote to which you were referring, then yes, it was more relevent than the later reference to apt-get'ing msttcorefonts. But I didn't interpret it as meaining 'there are lots of efforts going on in this direction'. It sounded to me like he was saying that lack of manpower was more of an impediment to easier installation than lack of technology or licencing issues. If you are reading it differently, then perhaps it needs clarification. I don't really see the reason for the frustration you are referring to. Ubuntu has some differences in priorities, so it is not unreasonable that in any objective comparison between it and Debian, there will be advantages and disadvantages on both sides. I think the originator of this thread was probably just interested in what peaples impressions of the differences are, rather than going into the philosophy behind each difference and long discussions about what can be done to address any area where Ubuntu seems to have an advantage. I'll grant that there may well be good reasons for the Debian installer not to be able to use my Wireless hardware when the Ubuntu installer managed it, but I think it would be a stretch to argue that that was not a disadvantage from the point of view of someone attempting to do an installation on hardware that uses it - especially someone who may not be experienced with Linux. That is not a criticism of Debian or a request for change. It is just information that may be useful for someone deciding between the two distributions if ease of installation is a priority. It just seems difficult to make such observations without evangelists getting defensive. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-image package /boot/config file not re-usable for a compilation of linux-source package
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:26:39AM -0500, David McGiven wrote: > I copied the config file to the source directory > > cp /tmp/boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > make oldconfig > > And now it asks me for HEAPS of questions. > > How is this possible ? The config file that comes with the binary package > is supposed to be from the same version as the kernel source package. Why > it asks those questions about old and new config parameters then ? I believe the answer you're looking for is in the copy command. make config expects the config to be in ./.config so your compy command should look like this: cp /tmp/boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/.config Might I also suggest for when you do further editting to pare down your kernel that you install libncurses5-dev and use 'make menuconfig' rather than using just 'make config' -- there is also an xconfig target but I don't know the requirements for that (something*qt*something-dev probably). And remember when you use make-kpkg to include the '--initrd' flag if you're mostly using Debian's config. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Q: What is printed on the bottom of beer bottles in Minnesota? A: Open other end. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Comparison of filesystems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 April 2006 11:02, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Currently, I run Debian Sid with two different partitions: / & > /home. Each partition is an ext3 filesystem. I am thinking of > changing filesystems (just to satisfy my curiosity). My system is a > typical home user's system. Personally, I don't see how file system choices are "off-topic", since a Linux based Debian system has some wonderful flexibility where file system is concerned, and everyone has to make this decision at some point even if that decision is go with the "default". Filesystems (ext3, ReiserFS, XFS, JFS) comparison on Debian Etch http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 The external links on the Wikipedia entry are useful for benchmarking, the "comparison" is feature comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems My personal opinion is that anything "up to date" (as opposed to, say, FAT12) will provide decent service for a desktop machine. I would add journaling, which is why I also use ext3, but with the caveat that ext3 is just an add-on to ext2. Performance demonstrates this. If I were to decide on something more than just ext3, I think I would go with ReiserFS "just because". It seems quite flexible, and while it does require a periodic "defragmentation", well, such is life. Ext2/3 doesn't require defragmentation, but they are also not as optimized in their performance. There are always trade-offs. Hope this helps, Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRE0Isy9Y35yItIgBAQKqJwf+IBbDQw1UO0spbr+FQs0VIsf8FMnIBNtn q4J9yCP3GcZ3zEj4XXIhxNz8a6hv3Nv/1pBHw1OjgF6Ebo9uxWIgBKtH5qseGaOq Wyb/T02JRGGckN68hzbv3WrAYv7cxCuIbWl2Ru74/oggh/SZfAKx0155Dm+kPfkm YC/2lBs4UTprQgZ+6arOHu9U+q4vK30fUHvArR+hFUndqYf2TCYVovEhm53EH2Cc TIL5rTXelj/0XmHW3UTxDJW/vI4LtXn1afsqDH9A80kAVSN9LiOTmowIMsxcFNV0 rQfzinRu1gNU2puLjv8i9qm4Ko3btM277G2JczkUcQWydhvjXnVHMg== =0FB1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 07:26:38PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Joris Huizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > > > > Do you need to reboot after this upgrade? I'm asking because I did the > > > upgrade on a remote machine with some hardware troubles and I am afraid > > > to reboot it. > > > > > > > Hmm... if you got a new kernel image you need to restart the machine to > > use it (untill then it's running with the older version of the kernel) > > Apart from that there shouldn't be any need to reboot, as I wrote before > > > > HTH, > > > > Joris > > I knew about the services and kernel part, but wasn't sure about libc, > as it's a pretty important part of a system. BTW, if you upgrade the > same kernel you are strongly encouraged to reboot ASAP, because of > module dependencies. And if you use lilo to set up bootablility, you'd better run it *before* you reboot; otherwise it will not be able to find the new kernel. And the old one will have been replaced, if it's really just a bugfix of the same kernel version. Anybody know about grub in this context? -- hendrik > > Thanks > Andrei > -- > If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. > (Albert Einstein) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: linux-image package /boot/config file not re-usable for a compilation of linux-source package
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:26:39 -0500, David McGiven wrote: > > Dear Debian users, > > I'm using Debian Sarge in one of my machines. I wanted to install a newer > kernel (Sarge comes with 2.6.8). > > Instead of using the kernel.org vanilla kernel source package, I decided > that using the debian source package from testing would be better. > > I downloaded it from : > http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/linux-source-2.6.15 > > I installed it and it drops a file in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2 > > I extracted it. Then instead of configuring it, I wanted to be it the > debian way. > > I then downloaded the debian binary package from testing from : > http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp > > I do this just to take the .config file and be able to do a make oldconfig > afterwards. > > I extracted the contents of linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp_2.6.15-8_i386.deb > > dpkg-deb -x linux-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp_2.6.15-8_i386.deb /tmp > > I copied the config file to the source directory > > cp /tmp/boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > make oldconfig > > And now it asks me for HEAPS of questions. > > How is this possible ? The config file that comes with the binary package > is supposed to be from the same version as the kernel source package. Why > it asks those questions about old and new config parameters then ? I think this can be fixed with a simple cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 mv config-2.6.15-1-686-smp .config (Your procedure is correct for what you want to achieve except for that one little detail.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:20:37AM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:58 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU > > myself. ;) > > I want IceBUNTU :-) > > Hans > how about wmUbinti? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: communication between chrooted mysql, apache, egroupware
On Monday 24 April 2006 00:39, Gezim Hoxha wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I'm wondering what happens when I chroot apache2 (with php module) in > its own jail and then chroot mysql in its own jail too. How will the PHP > scripts be able to connect to mysql? if you use networking in mysql and have your php scripts use TCP connections to connect to mysql, this should be a non-issue. note however, that mysql_connect likes to 'optimize' connections to 'localhost' by using the file 'mysql.sock' as that is much faster - or so the rumor goes ;) if you want to continue using the sock file, you may have to setup some type of symlink or some such so that both jailees can have some way of getting access to that file. much simpler to just enable networking in mysql and use the TCP connections. > > On top of this. I want to chroot egroupware in its own separate jail > too. Is this doable or is it going to get really complicated? again, if you use TCP it becomes a non issue. > > Thanks, > -Gezim -- anoop aryal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME meta-package broken in Testing ?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 03:13:01PM +0530, Toufeeq Hussain wrote: > Hi, > > I'm facing this probelm in Etch. > I installed Debian(Desktop) using the Sarge CD. Migrated apt to > testing and upgraded all packages.GNOME however did not upgrade. > > I tried upgrading GNOME with : > apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment but got the following error. > > === > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.12.3) but 64 > is to be installed > Depends: evolution (>= 2.4.1) but it is > not going to be installed > E: Broken packages > > Can anyone point me to the BUG which corresponds to this probelm or a > resolution ? I don't see a corresponding bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=evolution So either it's not known, or not really a bug. Try 'apt-get install evolution' and continue going until you get to a package that says 'not installable' and report that package. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 05:15:06PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > On Saturday 22 April 2006 14:14, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >> Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > >> > >>> Well, debian is pretty obvious about its purpose. It's a link right > >>> from the front page. Maybe people should be choosing other distros if > >>> they don't like bullet item number one of the social contract. Debian > >>> without the social contract would be just another distro. In other > >>> words, there would be no point to using debian without the contract. > >>> > >> Funny, the #1 point for most people is apt, not the social contract. > >> #1 for *you* maybe. > >> > > Include my name in the list of "people for whom socila contract is the #1 > > point". I use debian because of its commitment to free software (which is > > part > > of social contract) not because it has apt or some other cool software. > > > > raju > > > > Include my name in the list of "people for whom social contract is the > #1 point" also. When Debian ceases to be Free, then Debian ceases to > retain my loyalty. > > -- > Kent 1 more here. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Playing midi?
Robert Kopp wrote: --- Bruno Buys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm installing timidty, cited by wulfy, to see if it succeeds. But being able to play it with kmid would be more desirable, as timidity seem to need freepats which is a 28mb download. Isn't it just a matter of linking /dev/sequencer to /dev/.static/dev/sequencer? I've never had any luck with kmid. I've never had any trouble with timidity. What's 28 MB these days? Robert "Tim" Kopp For me? A 28MB download is over two hours... -- Blessings Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
