date:20060714

John - wrote:
> Steve Lamb solved this one, responding under the title "Re: [Etch]

Actually I was just the messenger, Liam deserves the credit for nailing
the problem.  :)

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Re: Why not?

Miles Bader wrote:
> Clearly all this is rather a matter of opinion; my only intent in
> posting was to provide a counter to your implication that KDE/qt was
> somehow obviously superior in functionality/usability, and that people
> only like Gnome/gtk for "political" reasons.  That's simply not true.

Nice strawman.  That's not what I said at all.  What I addressed was the
reasons for them being *created*, not for them being *used*.  And my assertion
is pretty much dead on in spite of what revisionism you might want to engage.

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Re: Why not?

2006-07-14 Thread Nate Bargmann

* Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jul 14 18:51 -0500]:
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 04:14:50PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> > s/QT/GTK|GNOME/ and you have my opinion.  I can only deal with the GTK
> > apps by running the qt-gtk-engine which cleans them up very nicely and
> > gives me a clean Plastik UI.
> 
> Where is that?  It isn't in Testing.  I'd love to replace the unusable GTK
> crap with something less clunky.

Here is what you're looking for:

http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt

Not easy to find with the way the original package name is munged.  It
works very nicely from KControl and sets up the GTK theme in such a way
that those apps will retain the Qt them even when running outside of
KDE in, say, IceWM.

- Nate >>

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Re: WindowList, WorkspaceSwitcher & ShowDesktopButton crashes on Gnome

2006-07-14 Thread Mumia W.

On 07/14/2006 06:12 PM, DC A wrote:

From: "Mumia W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

That happens to me too. I just click the button to restart the 
applets, and they restart. Anyway, it hardly ever happens now that I'm 
using

IceWM :)

> Thanks for your reply. Is there anyway to fix this problem?
>
> --Steve
>
>

I've never found it enough of a nuisance to look for a solution.

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Re: Daylight Savings Time Extended

2006-07-14 Thread Rich Johnson



On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:


[...snip...]
I'd agree with what you said if you s/American/Californian.  This  
country

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Re: Why not?

2006-07-14 Thread Miles Bader

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Pretty and pathetic does not trump ugly and useful any day of the week.
> If it did we'd all be on Windows or OSX.  I said they set out to make a great
> desktop.  They did that.

Hardly.  They made an "adequate" desktop.  As I mentioned, the QT-apps
I've used all seem rather clunky.  clunky == awkward.  Unpleasant to
use.

The gnome/gtk apps I've used are not _all_ that much better, but
generally do seem to be better.  

Clearly all this is rather a matter of opinion; my only intent in
posting was to provide a counter to your implication that KDE/qt was
somehow obviously superior in functionality/usability, and that people
only like Gnome/gtk for "political" reasons.  That's simply not true.

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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

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> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>> Oops, sorry, I thought I replied to the list.  Gmail has a funny way
>> of misleading you about where your reply is going, but I thought I had
>> it figured out.
>> I'd rather not have an extra piece of hardware lying around (hub) or
>> pay for it, if IP-over-FireWire is faster anyway.  It works great for
>> XP<->OSX, and I can leave my ethernet DSL connected.  If I used
>> ethernet, I'd have to buy a hub, and either buy a new card or reach
>> back and switch cables when I go from internet to LAN or vice versa.
> 
> Eh, I don't know if I agree with that reasoning or not.
> 
>> Think I'd be better off buying a PCI card with two ethernet jacks and
>> a hub?  A FireWire cable is $30.

Well, that's iffy.  On a good day, Fast Ethernet can reach 9MBps
(100Mbps / 8 = 12.5MBps * 72% = 9MBps) but 1394a is 400Mbps (which
also given 72% efficiency would give you 36MBps).

So, if you *need* 36MBps, 1394a might be the way to go, even though
it's more expensive.

OTOH, Gigabit Ethernet is built into most modern PCs, and cheap GiB
switches can be had at NewEgg for $30, and 25', 50' & 100' lengths
of Cat 5e cable are only $5.

Also, Ethernet is much more flexible.  Once you network both
computers together, they can share an outbound internet connection
via a router and cable/DSL modem.

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Re: Why not?

2006-07-14 Thread Carl Fink

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 04:14:50PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:

> s/QT/GTK|GNOME/ and you have my opinion.  I can only deal with the GTK
> apps by running the qt-gtk-engine which cleans them up very nicely and
> gives me a clean Plastik UI.

Where is that?  It isn't in Testing.  I'd love to replace the unusable GTK
crap with something less clunky.
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Re: Please clarify correct sid packages for 2.6.16 and for 2.6.17?

2006-07-14 Thread Greg Madden

On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:25:37 -0700
RParr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> George Borisov wrote:RParr wrote:
>   Could someone please clarify which is the correct set of Debian sid
> packages to install for the following two situations:
> 
> 1) install/update kernel 2.6.16, headers, etc.
> 
> 2) install/update kernel 2.6.17, headers, etc.
> 
> What processor have you got?
>   
> Dual Opteron;  that's why I originally installed the linux*-amd64-k8

You need a smp kernel. If it were me, I would remove all but the latest
working kernel then install the smp kernel.
The 'linux-image-amd64-k8-smp' will install the latest 2.6 kernel for
amd64, same for headers. For unstable it looks like 2.6.17 is the kernel
that gets installed.

snip

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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

2006-07-14 Thread Chuckk Hubbard


On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Oops, sorry, I thought I replied to the list.  Gmail has a funny way
> of misleading you about where your reply is going, but I thought I had
> it figured out.
> I'd rather not have an extra piece of hardware lying around (hub) or
> pay for it, if IP-over-FireWire is faster anyway.  It works great for
> XP<->OSX, and I can leave my ethernet DSL connected.  If I used
> ethernet, I'd have to buy a hub, and either buy a new card or reach
> back and switch cables when I go from internet to LAN or vice versa.

Eh, I don't know if I agree with that reasoning or not.


Think I'd be better off buying a PCI card with two ethernet jacks and
a hub?  A FireWire cable is $30.



Anyway, enabling IP-over-FW is as difficult as rolling your own
kernel.  Scary the first time, easy after that.

Also: file a wishlist bug with AGNULA asking them to enable
IP-over-FW, mentioning Pure Data.  I'm sure they'll say yes.


Good idea.  Their request/bug site wasn't loading, so I posted to the
mailing list.  Thanks.
-Chuckk




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Re: WindowList, WorkspaceSwitcher & ShowDesktopButton crashes on Gnome

2006-07-14 Thread DC A

Thanks for your reply. Is there anyway to fix this problem?

--Steve

From: "Mumia W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian User 
Subject: Re: WindowList, WorkspaceSwitcher & ShowDesktopButton crashes on 
Gnome

Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:32:30 -0500

On 07/14/2006 04:05 PM, DC A wrote:
Hi ! I'm new to linux and I'm having a bit of problem with Gnome Panel. My 
 ShowDesktopButton, WindowList and WorkspaceSwitcher crashes as soon  as 
I log into Gnome through gdm. It occurs after every 6/7 restarts of the 
computer. I get 3 error messages saying  "ShowDesktopButton, WindowList 
and WorkspaceSwitcher have stopped unexpectedly. Do you want to restart 
them?" [...]

That happens to me too. I just click the button to restart the applets, and 
they restart. Anyway, it hardly ever happens now that I'm using

IceWM :)

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debian menu update problem

2006-07-14 Thread Nicolas CHEDAILLE


HI all,

I'm using debian sarge on a dell C600.
Since the latest apt-get upgrade, I've noticed that KDE doesn't update
the debian menus anymore.

Everytime I try I install a new applications, it appears in kde menus
but NOT in debian menus.

The workaround is to execute the command:
# update-menus
everytime I install a new application, but this is not a normal behaviour.

I didn't find any related issues searching in the mailinst list
database. What should I do to fix the problem???

thanks in advance.
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Re: WindowList, WorkspaceSwitcher & ShowDesktopButton crashes on Gnome

2006-07-14 Thread Mumia W.


On 07/14/2006 04:05 PM, DC A wrote:
Hi ! I'm new to linux and I'm having a bit of problem with Gnome Panel. 
My  ShowDesktopButton, WindowList and WorkspaceSwitcher crashes as soon  
as I log into Gnome through gdm. It occurs after every 6/7 restarts of 
the computer. I get 3 error messages saying  "ShowDesktopButton, 
WindowList and WorkspaceSwitcher have stopped unexpectedly. Do you want 
to restart them?" 
[...]




That happens to me too. I just click the button to restart the applets, 
and they restart. Anyway, it hardly ever happens now that I'm using

IceWM :)



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Re: Time sync to Windows. How?

2006-07-14 Thread Joshua J. Kugler

Should get you going:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ntp+windows

j

On Friday 14 July 2006 13:07, marc wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've managed to get Linux through the door at a client's site  applause> However, it is necessary to time sync desktop client's to a
> Windows server. (This is a strict requirement for reasons that I won't
> go into. Yes, I know how trivial it would be with a Linux server, etc.)
>
> Windows has a "service" called Windows Time, but I haven't managed to
> sync to it from the Linux boxes. Is it possible?
>
> In an attempt to approach this in a sane manner, I installed NetTIme on
> a Windows box for testing. This worked, up to a point - the Linux boxes
> could sync to it - but it has a huge flaw in that it refuses to act as a
> time server when it can't access the sources it syncs from - who designs
> this stuff? Since the server s not always connected to the net, this
> means that the clients lose sync, which is not acceptable in this case.
>
> Basically, all I need is a time service on Windows that will sync when
> sources are available, but continue to allow clients to sync to it when
> they are not.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> --
> Best,
> Marc

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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

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> Oops, sorry, I thought I replied to the list.  Gmail has a funny way
> of misleading you about where your reply is going, but I thought I had
> it figured out.
> I'd rather not have an extra piece of hardware lying around (hub) or
> pay for it, if IP-over-FireWire is faster anyway.  It works great for
> XP<->OSX, and I can leave my ethernet DSL connected.  If I used
> ethernet, I'd have to buy a hub, and either buy a new card or reach
> back and switch cables when I go from internet to LAN or vice versa.

Eh, I don't know if I agree with that reasoning or not.

Anyway, enabling IP-over-FW is as difficult as rolling your own
kernel.  Scary the first time, easy after that.

Also: file a wishlist bug with AGNULA asking them to enable
IP-over-FW, mentioning Pure Data.  I'm sure they'll say yes.

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Time sync to Windows. How?

2006-07-14 Thread marc

Hi,

I've managed to get Linux through the door at a client's site  However, it is necessary to time sync desktop client's to a 
Windows server. (This is a strict requirement for reasons that I won't 
go into. Yes, I know how trivial it would be with a Linux server, etc.)

Windows has a "service" called Windows Time, but I haven't managed to 
sync to it from the Linux boxes. Is it possible?

In an attempt to approach this in a sane manner, I installed NetTIme on 
a Windows box for testing. This worked, up to a point - the Linux boxes 
could sync to it - but it has a huge flaw in that it refuses to act as a 
time server when it can't access the sources it syncs from - who designs 
this stuff? Since the server s not always connected to the net, this 
means that the clients lose sync, which is not acceptable in this case.

Basically, all I need is a time service on Windows that will sync when 
sources are available, but continue to allow clients to sync to it when 
they are not.

Any ideas or suggestions?

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Marc


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Re: Why not?

2006-07-14 Thread Nate Bargmann

* Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jul 14 09:20 -0500]:
> Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I contended back when Gnome was started that it was built for the wrong
> > reasons and that shows to this day.  KDE set out to make a great desktop.
> > Time and again they nail it.
> 
> Hardly.
> 
> [Indeed, every time I have to use a QT-app, I'm struck by how clunky and
> ugly everything is...]

s/QT/GTK|GNOME/ and you have my opinion.  I can only deal with the GTK
apps by running the qt-gtk-engine which cleans them up very nicely and
gives me a clean Plastik UI.

I'm struck by this past week of re-discovering Slackware where GNOME
has been banished from the official distribution by just how sleek and
memory efficient it seems to be while running KDE.  Even Firefox seems
incapable of killing it.

- Nate >>

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Re: source code editor

2006-07-14 Thread Margiolas Christos

If you want something simple use kate. I use it and it is enough good...Christos

WindowList, ShowDesktopButton & WorkspaceSwitcher crashes on Gnome

2006-07-14 Thread DC A

Hi ! I'm new to linux and I'm having a bit of problem with Gnome Panel. My 
ShowDesktopButton, WindowList and WorkspaceSwitcher crashes as soon as I log 
into Gnome through gdm. It occurs after every 6/7 restarts of the computer. 
It shows 3 error messages saying  "ShowDesktopButton,  WindowList and 
WorkspaceSwitcher have stopped unexpectedly. Do you want to restart them?" 
Then I had to restart all of them. The last thing I did before having this 
problem is to install nvidia driver from nvidia website. If anyone can just 
suggest a pointer to solve this problem I would be grateful. Thanks.


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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

2006-07-14 Thread Nate Duehr


Carl Fink wrote:

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:51:03PM -0500, Jay C Vollmer wrote:

On Thursday 13 July 2006 21:24, Carl Fink wrote:


I'm not an electrochemist, but modern Li-ion batteries don't develop
memory, they just lose capacity each time they're charged. 

Isn't what you're describing 'memory?'


No.

A NiCad battery has true memory.  If you discharge it 35% then recharge it,
it tends to be only 35% of capacity ever after.  With Li-Ion batteries, if
you discharge it 35% and recharge it, it might lose (WAG) 1% of its
capacity.


Actually a number of tests were done by NASA and Amateurs over the years 
and proved that NiCD memory effect is often caused by improper (read: 
cheap) charging systems.


NiCD's are used in almost every satellite flying today, and don't 
exhibit memory problems when charged and maintained correctly on-orbit. 
 Some of the Amateur-built satellites (groups like 
http://www.amsat.org) have seen very extended mission profiles from 
properly maintained, monitored, and charged NiCD systems, and even 
longer lifespans after the batteries have "died" and won't accept a 
charge, but still allow current from the solar charging systems to pass 
through to the satellite radios and equipment.


Too many people don't understand this and "expect" battery problems from 
NiCD technology so manufacturers spend little money on their charge 
circuits knowing that consumers will happily buy another battery in 2-3 
years.  Most consumer charging circuits for NiCD don't monitor properly 
and charge at far too high a rate for the battery, which overheats the 
battery, causing them to vent small amounts of gas in the process, which 
destroys the battery over time.  LIon batteries aren't nearly as popular 
as NiCD in spacecraft/aerospace use, because of NiCd's WELL-KNOWN 
properties in those circles.  But in consumer devices, the myth still 
exists that they exhibit "memory" when this is almost always a result of 
improper charging and maintenance.


Nate


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WindowList, WorkspaceSwitcher & ShowDesktopButton crashes on Gnome

2006-07-14 Thread DC A

Hi ! I'm new to linux and I'm having a bit of problem with Gnome Panel. My  
ShowDesktopButton, WindowList and WorkspaceSwitcher crashes as soon  as I 
log into Gnome through gdm. It occurs after every 6/7 restarts of the 
computer. I get 3 error messages saying  "ShowDesktopButton, WindowList and 
WorkspaceSwitcher have stopped unexpectedly. Do you want to restart them?" 
Then I had to click on yes to restart all of them. The last thing I did 
before having this problem is to install nvidia driver from nvidia website. 
If anyone can just suggest a pointer to solve this problem or be kind enough 
to solve, I would be grateful. Thanks.


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Re: source code editor

2006-07-14 Thread Nate Bargmann

Or, you might try FTE which has syntax highlighting and is rather
lightweight.

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Re: Firefox text display is misbehaving [SOLVED]

2006-07-14 Thread John -

On (14/07/06 12:39), Aenoch Lynn wrote:
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: Aenoch Lynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Firefox text display is misbehaving
>
> On 07/14/2006 09:36 AM John - wrote:
> > Since yesterday's upgrade of firefox to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-2,
> > something's out of whack: only the first word on each line of text is
> > displayed. ,,,
> > Got suggestions? If so, thanks!
> >  
> 
> I have this problem as well ...

Steve Lamb solved this one, responding under the title "Re: [Etch]
Text disappearing in Gnome."  To wit:
>Known, libcairo2.  See this thread:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg00977.html

Aptitude wouldn't undertake the fix without also removing a ton of
other packages, but I had an older version in /var/cache/apt/archives,
so I mustered up my nerve and did # dpkg -i libcairo2_1.0.4-2_i386.deb

And now everything works again.  Thanks, Steve.

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Re: Firefox text display is misbehaving

2006-07-14 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:39:35 -0700, Aenoch Lynn wrote:
> On 07/14/2006 09:36 AM John - wrote:
> > Since yesterday's upgrade of firefox to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-2,
> > something's out of whack: only the first word on each line of text is
> > displayed. If I click on or highlight the line (via left mouse
> > button), the rest of the words usually appear, then disappear again if
> > I move the mouse. This behavior extends even to Firefox's own buttons:
> > e.g., "Check " becomes "Check Mail" when touched.
> > 
> > Mozilla-browser displays text OK, as does mozilla-firefox in a
> > chrooted sarge installation on the same computer.  So I think it's a
> > firefox problem. Downgrading firefox as low as 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-2 does
> > not help, nor does fiddling with fonts via "Preferences," nor even
> > purging and reinstalling it.
> > 
> > The machine with the misbehavior is a ThinkPad A31, pure sid, and it
> > shows up with two different home-compiled kernels: 2.6.16 from Debian
> > and 2.6.17 from kernel.org.
> > 
> > Got suggestions? If so, thanks!
> >  
> 
> I have this problem as well, but on my system it is not restricted to
> firefox.  I see the problem in gaim, xcdroast, galeon, gimp, and a few
> others.  I don't see the problem in mozilla, thunderbird, konquerer,
> gnome-terminal, and gedit.  When I create a new user and try these
> applications, they appear to be okay for awhile, then they have the same
> problem.  I'm running sid, linux-image-2.6.15-1, on a Thinkpad T40.

This sounds like it might be caused by a bug in a library which is used
by all these programs. I can't reproduce the problem on my up-to-date
Sid system, so it might depend on a subtle combination of packages
and/or settings. This is potentially nasty to track down, but I have one
suggestion: I used my aptitude logs to compile a list of all packages
which have also been upgraded since the last firefox upgrade. Then I
cross-checked this list against the dependencies of firefox. This turned
up two suspects:

libglib2.0-0
libglib2.0-data

I would check if you have both of these packages in their newest version
(2.10.3-3). Maybe the problem is caused by a version mismatch. If this
is not the case try downgrading both of them to the version from
testing (2.10.2-1).

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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

2006-07-14 Thread Chuckk Hubbard


Oops, sorry, I thought I replied to the list.  Gmail has a funny way
of misleading you about where your reply is going, but I thought I had
it figured out.
I'd rather not have an extra piece of hardware lying around (hub) or
pay for it, if IP-over-FireWire is faster anyway.  It works great for
XP<->OSX, and I can leave my ethernet DSL connected.  If I used
ethernet, I'd have to buy a hub, and either buy a new card or reach
back and switch cables when I go from internet to LAN or vice versa.


On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>> On 7/13/06, Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:54:39PM -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>>> > On 7/13/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > A non-programmer.
>>> > I read that IP-over-FireWire can only be done in Linux by
> recompiling
>>> > the kernel.  Maybe this was wrong.
>
>>> What work has to be done depends on whether your dist. has it compiled
>>> in for the stock kernels.  Apparently Debian's have it.
>
>>> I am a non-programmer (OK, OK, APL in high-school, main frame 360 out
>>> of William and Mary...).  Pure hobbyist at the OS level.  I always
> roll
>>> my own kernel.  No programming involved, but it does require that you
>>> learn a chunk about your box's innards.
>
>>> Not hard to do, but requires patience and some time.  Kernel-package
>>> makes the installation easy.  For myself, grub is automatically
>>> updated, so the working older kernel is normally kept as a backup (as
>>> long as it's a version change, at least, like 2.6.15 to 2.6.16) in
> case
>>> what I've created turns into a monster on bootup.
>
>>> It's not a bad idea to have a rescue partition set up on an unused Gb
>>> chunk on your HD as well, along with a grub rescue floppy (CD?).
>
>>> There must be at least a few hundred primers out there on doing this.
>
>>> Try it sometime.  :)
>
>
>>> Kenward
>
>> I find it all interesting, and I would like to, but my major is
>> composition, and I deal with lots of deadlines as a musician and
>> student.  It's a fine line, how far I can go learning something so
>> specialized, when I run both XP and OSX, in either of which I can turn
>> out a good track in minimal time, spending most of my time writing the
>> music.  I've spend most of the last 2 days installing, learning,
>> reinstalling Linux, googling every possible combination of letters
>> from a QWERTY keyboard.
>> I am drawn towards stuff like this, and I have the mind for it, but
>> it's not what I'm "here for", it's a means to an end.  I do note that
>> you, and someone on the Pure Data list, mention both 2.6.15 and
>> 2.6.16, and the latest stable AGNULA release uses 2.6.12; if this
>> change is necessary, then I can justify it.  But it's easy for me to
>> get caught up in this stuff and forget that I'm supposed to be
>> composing over summer and preparing for a senior recital.
>
> What exactly do you need Firewire for?  I.e., which peripheral do
> you need to attach to your PC?
>
>> A Mac.  IP-over-FireWire allows me to run Pure Data on two different
>> processors, and divide the load as I see fit.

Ah, ok.

Why does it have to be IP-over-FireWire?  Why can't it be regular
IP-over-Ethernet?

> Also, you're on the AGNULA Users mailing list, right?
>
> http://www.agnula.org/lists/
>
>> Ah.  Thanks.
>
>
>> I also haven't yet seen the kind of audio software in Linux that I can
>> use on Windows and Mac.  I'm rooting for it, but other musicians not
>> as interested in getting inside their boxes are pretty dismissive
>> about it.
>
> Sadly, Linux isn't a great musician's OS.
>
>> Bummer.  You're the first Linux person who's told me that.  Maybe I
>> will just wipe it, and return the contents of that HD from where they
>> are taking up space on the Mac (unable to move them back until I get
>> FireWire).

Gotta be honest.  A business that *needs* QuickBooks Pro won't want
Linux (for that function) either.

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Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Austin English

Not sure on the r1/r0, these are the ones I have in history, but it was recently cleared. r2 downloaded and installed fine, its running now :-). As for r1/0, I know I downoaded off the main server, as well as various US mirrors, though not sure which ones off hand (ftp.kernel.org & usc.edu were ones I believe I used).Hope this helps.http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.isohttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.isoJustin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the URL / path to the iso that you are downloading from that has this problem?On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:> That's what I thought, so yesterday I downloaded the iso on a completely different connection/computer and it still
 failed the checksum. Today, r2 failed the checksum, but is installing fine (just finished installing the kernel in fact). I didn't check to see if the checksums from yesterday's downloads were the same or not, but I'm inclined to think they were.>> Justin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps some kind of network/router issue then that is corrupting the> packets?  Really strange problem there, what if you download to a> different machine that is not on the same network/connection?>> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:>>> Doubtful. I tried again today, downloading r2 from two different servers on two different computers with clean ram. Both failed the checksum, but the installer seems to be happy this time, it hasn't quit yet (it is installing the base system from a mirror as of right now). Attached is the checksum I have for the iso's (both matched), which seems to be correct compared to the
 checksum on the debian servers. 2746efa7425b58c231327084545f0db5 *debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.iso Justin Piszcz  wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:> I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba>>> server. I've downloaded the base install and the>>> business card net install cd's several times, from>>> several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,>>> in Firefox, Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and>>> http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When>>> attempting to install, it fails while loading>>> component files off the cdrom or installing the base>>> system (can't recall which file off hand, I'll check>>> tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all>>> of my computers and internet connections
 coordinating>>> to drive me insane?>> Thanks,>>> Austin E>>> Texas> -->>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> Probably bad RAM. Run memtest86.>> -->> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Firefox text display is misbehaving

2006-07-14 Thread Aenoch Lynn

On 07/14/2006 09:36 AM John - wrote:
> Since yesterday's upgrade of firefox to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-2,
> something's out of whack: only the first word on each line of text is
> displayed. If I click on or highlight the line (via left mouse
> button), the rest of the words usually appear, then disappear again if
> I move the mouse. This behavior extends even to Firefox's own buttons:
> e.g., "Check " becomes "Check Mail" when touched.
> 
> Mozilla-browser displays text OK, as does mozilla-firefox in a
> chrooted sarge installation on the same computer.  So I think it's a
> firefox problem. Downgrading firefox as low as 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-2 does
> not help, nor does fiddling with fonts via "Preferences," nor even
> purging and reinstalling it.
> 
> The machine with the misbehavior is a ThinkPad A31, pure sid, and it
> shows up with two different home-compiled kernels: 2.6.16 from Debian
> and 2.6.17 from kernel.org.
> 
> Got suggestions? If so, thanks!
>  

I have this problem as well, but on my system it is not restricted to
firefox.  I see the problem in gaim, xcdroast, galeon, gimp, and a few
others.  I don't see the problem in mozilla, thunderbird, konquerer,
gnome-terminal, and gedit.  When I create a new user and try these
applications, they appear to be okay for awhile, then they have the same
problem.  I'm running sid, linux-image-2.6.15-1, on a Thinkpad T40.

I had assumed that I had damaged my system somehow and I was just about
to try reinstalling.

Aenoch

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Re: [Etch] Text disappearing in Gnome

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> Is this a known bug ? If not what is the packet I should send the
> bugreport to ?

Known, libcairo2.  See this thread:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg00977.html

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Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Justin Piszcz

What is the URL / path to the iso that you are downloading from that has 
this problem?


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:


That's what I thought, so yesterday I downloaded the iso on a completely 
different connection/computer and it still failed the checksum. Today, r2 
failed the checksum, but is installing fine (just finished installing the 
kernel in fact). I didn't check to see if the checksums from yesterday's 
downloads were the same or not, but I'm inclined to think they were.

Justin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps some kind of network/router 
issue then that is corrupting the
packets?  Really strange problem there, what if you download to a
different machine that is not on the same network/connection?

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:


Doubtful. I tried again today, downloading r2 from two different servers on two 
different computers with clean ram. Both failed the checksum, but the installer 
seems to be happy this time, it hasn't quit yet (it is installing the base 
system from a mirror as of right now). Attached is the checksum I have for the 
iso's (both matched), which seems to be correct compared to the checksum on the 
debian servers.

2746efa7425b58c231327084545f0db5 *debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.iso

Justin Piszcz  wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:


I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba
server. I've downloaded the base install and the
business card net install cd's several times, from
several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,
in Firefox, Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and
http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When
attempting to install, it fails while loading
component files off the cdrom or installing the base
system (can't recall which file off hand, I'll check
tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all
of my computers and internet connections coordinating
to drive me insane?

Thanks,
Austin E
Texas


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Probably bad RAM.

Run memtest86.


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Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Austin English

That's what I thought, so yesterday I downloaded the iso on a completely different connection/computer and it still failed the checksum. Today, r2 failed the checksum, but is installing fine (just finished installing the kernel in fact). I didn't check to see if the checksums from yesterday's downloads were the same or not, but I'm inclined to think they were.Justin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps some kind of network/router issue then that is corrupting the packets?  Really strange problem there, what if you download to a different machine that is not on the same network/connection?On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:> Doubtful. I tried again today, downloading r2 from two different servers on two different computers with clean ram. Both failed the checksum, but the installer seems to
 be happy this time, it hasn't quit yet (it is installing the base system from a mirror as of right now). Attached is the checksum I have for the iso's (both matched), which seems to be correct compared to the checksum on the debian servers.>> 2746efa7425b58c231327084545f0db5 *debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.iso>> Justin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:>>> I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba>> server. I've downloaded the base install and the>> business card net install cd's several times, from>> several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,>> in Firefox, Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and>> http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When>> attempting to install, it fails while loading>> component files off the cdrom or installing the base>> system (can't
 recall which file off hand, I'll check>> tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all>> of my computers and internet connections coordinating>> to drive me insane? Thanks,>> Austin E>> Texas>> -->> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Probably bad RAM.>> Run memtest86.>>> -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>

Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Justin Piszcz

Perhaps some kind of network/router issue then that is corrupting the 
packets?  Really strange problem there, what if you download to a 
different machine that is not on the same network/connection?


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:


Doubtful. I tried again today, downloading r2 from two different servers on two 
different computers with clean ram. Both failed the checksum, but the installer 
seems to be happy this time, it hasn't quit yet (it is installing the base 
system from a mirror as of right now). Attached is the checksum I have for the 
iso's (both matched), which seems to be correct compared to the checksum on the 
debian servers.

2746efa7425b58c231327084545f0db5 *debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.iso

Justin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:


I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba
server. I've downloaded the base install and the
business card net install cd's several times, from
several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,
in Firefox, Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and
http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When
attempting to install, it fails while loading
component files off the cdrom or installing the base
system (can't recall which file off hand, I'll check
tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all
of my computers and internet connections coordinating
to drive me insane?

Thanks,
Austin E
Texas


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Run memtest86.


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Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Austin English

Doubtful. I tried again today, downloading r2 from two different servers on two different computers with clean ram. Both failed the checksum, but the installer seems to be happy this time, it hasn't quit yet (it is installing the base system from a mirror as of right now). Attached is the checksum I have for the iso's (both matched), which seems to be correct compared to the checksum on the debian servers.   2746efa7425b58c231327084545f0db5 *debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.isoJustin Piszcz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, Austin English wrote:> I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba> server. I've downloaded the base install and the> business card net install cd's several times, from> several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,> in Firefox,
 Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and> http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When> attempting to install, it fails while loading> component files off the cdrom or installing the base> system (can't recall which file off hand, I'll check> tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all> of my computers and internet connections coordinating> to drive me insane?>> Thanks,> Austin E> Texas>>> -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Probably bad RAM.Run memtest86.-- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Corrupt ISO downloads

2006-07-14 Thread Peter Colton

Hello Austin,

Try downloading the sarge net installer by bittorent, The torrent 
method is a 
lot bitter for the job of large files and kinder on the host server bandwidth  
useage.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/bt-cd/

regards

  peter colton

On Friday 14 July 2006 06:19, Austin English wrote:
> I've been trying to download debian to setup a samba
> server. I've downloaded the base install and the
> business card net install cd's several times, from
> several different mirrors, on 3 different computers,
> in Firefox, Internet Explorer, and wget, with ftp and
> http, but every time, the md5 checksum fails. When
> attempting to install, it fails while loading
> component files off the cdrom or installing the base
> system (can't recall which file off hand, I'll check
> tommorow). Is this a known problem for 3.1? Or are all
> of my computers and internet connections coordinating
> to drive me insane?
>
> Thanks,
> Austin E
> Texas


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Re: Why not?

Miles Bader wrote:
> Hardly.

> [Indeed, every time I have to use a QT-app, I'm struck by how clunky and
> ugly everything is...]

Pretty and pathetic does not trump ugly and useful any day of the week.
If it did we'd all be on Windows or OSX.  I said they set out to make a great
desktop.  They did that.  Pretty can come later.  When Gnome makes a *usable*
desktop run for the hills, it's the 7th sign.

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Re: New Video Card.


On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> Ok, I now understand why "it's narrows it down"...
>
> Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem...
> Do you know another site having delivers to México?

That's what Google is for...


I know I'm looking for it...
Thanks for all your help.



> In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it
> work too on amd64.
> At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc...

I'm sure it will.  Card companies have seen the writing on the wall
for some time now.

> I already have a incompatible card.

That's just because ATI doesn't care about Linux.

> Thanks for all the bothers.
>
> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, that narrows it down.
>
> Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48
>
> This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards.
>
> NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially
> cheaper than USD300.
>
> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>> AGP
>
>> Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but
>> isn't mandatory.
>
>> Thanks
>
>> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>>> Hi,
>
>>> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
>>> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
>>> try to install it.
>
>>> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
>>> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
>
>>> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
>
>>> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
>>> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
>>> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
>>> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
>
>
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
>
>>> I'm not in this list please copy me.
>
>> How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?

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Re: Daylight Savings Time Extended

2006-07-14 Thread Max Hyre

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> I am trying to determine if the timezone data in libc6 has
> been updated

   The short answer seems to be:  no.

   The long answer:

I'm running unstable, and the tzdata package is described as

This package contains data that represent the history of
local time for many representative locations around the
globe. It is updated periodically to reflect changes
made by political bodies to time zone boundaries, UTC
offsets, and daylight-saving rules


- From /usr/share/doc/tzdata/changelog.Debian.gz:

tzdata (2006g-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * patches/systemv.diff: As Indianapolis use DST since
2006, it can no more be an alias for SystemV/EST5,
replace it with Panama.  Closes: #367025

 -- Denis Barbier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 2 Jun 2006
23:44:21 +0200


Apparently, tzdata was last updated for the latest change to
Indianapolis's situation (don't ask).  Thus, the 2007 idiocy
still awaits inclusion.


   From libc6's entry in debian_dists_..._Packages

Replaces: ldso (<= 1.9.11-9), timezone, timezones,
    ^
gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-bin, netkit-rpc,
netbase (<< 4.0)
Depends: tzdata

So it sure looks as if the timezone info used to live in the
libc6 package, but has been split out into the tzdata
package.

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Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> Ok, I now understand why "it's narrows it down"...
> 
> Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem...
> Do you know another site having delivers to México?

That's what Google is for...

> In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it
> work too on amd64.
> At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc...

I'm sure it will.  Card companies have seen the writing on the wall
for some time now.

> I already have a incompatible card.

That's just because ATI doesn't care about Linux.

> Thanks for all the bothers.
> 
> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, that narrows it down.
> 
> Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48
> 
> This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards.
> 
> NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially
> cheaper than USD300.
> 
> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>> AGP
> 
>> Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but
>> isn't mandatory.
> 
>> Thanks
> 
>> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>>> Hi,
> 
>>> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
>>> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
>>> try to install it.
> 
>>> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
>>> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
> 
>>> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
> 
>>> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
>>> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
>>> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
>>> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
> 
> 
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
> 
>>> I'm not in this list please copy me.
> 
>> How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?

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Re: Help with first spamassassin rules update

2006-07-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 13.07.06 02:33, Debian Newbie wrote:
> I am a newbie and have read through much documentation with no luck.  
> We are running SpamAssassin version 3.0.3 (daemonised). I want to  
> update the rules.
> 
> But when I type sa-update (bash shell, root user), I get "command not  
> found."

looking at logs, sa-update is not included with spamassassin 3.0.3 in
Debian. upgrade to 3.1 from volatile repository, it's there.

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Re: New Video Card.


Ok, I now understand why "it's narrows it down"...

Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem...
Do you know another site having delivers to México?

In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it
work too on amd64.
At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc...

I already have a incompatible card.

Thanks for all the bothers.

On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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OK, that narrows it down.

Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips.

http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48

This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards.

NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially
cheaper than USD300.

Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> AGP
>
> Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but
> isn't mandatory.
>
> Thanks
>
> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>> Hi,
>
>> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
>> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
>> try to install it.
>
>> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
>> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
>
>> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
>
>> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
>> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
>> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
>> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
>
>> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
>
>> I'm not in this list please copy me.
>
> How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?
>

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Re: Something has gone wrong with Mutt

2006-07-14 Thread p

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:08:56PM -0400, Alec Berryman wrote:

> > Fetchmail is downloading messages but mutt is not displaying them?  I
> > have not changed any settings and I saw nothing in the latest
> > dist-upgrade of testing which related to mutt.  What can have gone
> > wrong?
> 

hmm...if you're using exim, what's the setting
for 

"smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = *"

in /etc/exim/exim.conf



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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

2006-07-14 Thread Mike McCarty


Gnu-Raiz wrote:

"David R. Litwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have a year old Toshiba Intel Mobil P4 laptop using Sid.



Does your laptop get hot under load? My wife has a Pentium M that 
burned out two motherboards, when used to crunch RC5-72.


I look at it like this, if a computer is left on it might as well be 
doing something, might as well get some use out of it. So I suggest 


[snip]

Wasteful of electricity, unless the work truly is useful. So, if
you are going to do this, chose the "background work" wisely.
Some people are members of GIMPS, which might qualify.

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Re: http://www.debian.org/contact

2006-07-14 Thread Christopher Nelson

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 01:45:13AM -0500, Mumia W. wrote:
> On 07/14/2006 12:45 AM, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Trying to install x-window-system on Sarge 31r1.  Will not install due
> >to broken dependency -- missing xprt-xprintorg.  I am using
> >deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
> >in my sources.list file.  All my other dependencies look fine.
> >Help would be most appreciated.
> 
> Perhaps xprt-xprintorg hasn't needed to have any 
> security updates. Add another mirror to your 
> sources.list and do an "aptitude update."

One example would be:
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

Of course you'll get better performance picking a closer mirror...
www.debian.org/mirror/list

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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

2006-07-14 Thread Mike McCarty


Carl Fink wrote:

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:51:03PM -0500, Jay C Vollmer wrote:


On Thursday 13 July 2006 21:24, Carl Fink wrote:



I'm not an electrochemist, but modern Li-ion batteries don't develop
memory, they just lose capacity each time they're charged. 


Isn't what you're describing 'memory?'



No.

A NiCad battery has true memory.  If you discharge it 35% then recharge it,
it tends to be only 35% of capacity ever after.  With Li-Ion batteries, if


This is incorrect. Very early NiCd cells used in satellites exhibited
symptoms vaguely similar (but only vaguely) to what you describe, and
those were the liquid filled ones. The modern ones do not have any
memory effect whatsoever.


you discharge it 35% and recharge it, it might lose (WAG) 1% of its
capacity.


Each charge/discharge cycle causes *any* secondary cell to lose
some of it's ability to accept another charge. It's called
"wearout".

For a simple explanation of what is happening, see

http://www.repairfaq.org/ELE/F_NiCd_Battery.html
http://www.buchmann.ca/Article10-Page1.asp



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Re: YOU WON THE COCA-COLA ONLINE PROMO

2006-07-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:05:30PM +0700, Mihira Fernando wrote:
> David E. Fox wrote:
> >On 13 Jul 2006 10:17:10 -
> >Coca Cola Manager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>THE COCA'COLA COMPANY
> >>PROMOTION/PRIZE AWARD
> >>DEPT COCA'COLA AVENUE
> >>STAMFORD BRIDGE LONDON. 
> >>SW1V 3DW UNITED KINGDOM
> >
> >yawn. big deal, i have the sekrit formula
> 
> Cool. Then maybe we can sell Debian Cola! :D

new choices in tasksel

   [ ]   Gnola
   [ ]   Kola
   [ ]   Xfcola

and for those using just a WM

   [ ]   Pola.pl


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Re: Shutdown my Laptop? Why should I?

2006-07-14 Thread Carl Fink

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 10:51:03PM -0500, Jay C Vollmer wrote:
> On Thursday 13 July 2006 21:24, Carl Fink wrote:
> 
> > I'm not an electrochemist, but modern Li-ion batteries don't develop
> > memory, they just lose capacity each time they're charged. 
> 
> Isn't what you're describing 'memory?'

No.

A NiCad battery has true memory.  If you discharge it 35% then recharge it,
it tends to be only 35% of capacity ever after.  With Li-Ion batteries, if
you discharge it 35% and recharge it, it might lose (WAG) 1% of its
capacity.
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Re: New Video Card.

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OK, that narrows it down.

Unlike ATI (which makes their own cards), NVIDIA only makes chips.

http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=48

This page lets you drill down, selecting all NVIDIA 6xxx AGP4/8 cards.

NewEgg sells 2 6800 cards, both with 512MB RAM, and substantially
cheaper than USD300.

Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> AGP
> 
> Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but
> isn't mandatory.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
>> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
>> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
>> try to install it.
> 
>> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
>> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
> 
>> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
> 
>> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
>> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
>> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
>> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
> 
>> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
> 
>> I'm not in this list please copy me.
> 
> How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?
> 

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Re: Sarge and Athlon 64

2006-07-14 Thread Wackojacko




I did it the other way round and when installing the 64 bit debian, grub found 
my 32 bit install and added it to menu.lst.

I have successfully maintained both systems current on unstable for over a year now.  Most of the upgrading can be done from within the chroot, although occasionally I 
have to boot into the i386 partition for some packages that need /proc mounted in the install script.  At least this gives me an opportunity to check it still boots as 
expected :).

Hi
just a question: why don't you just bind mount proc to your chroot?


It is bind mounted in the chroot, but the last upgrade of FAM failed to 
to /proc not being mounted.  May just have been a bug in the package I'm 
not sure.



my chroot isn't and was never bootable...and i didn't have any problems
so far...

I like to keep the chroot as a bootable partition to use as a rescue 
partition should anything go wrong on the amd64 side.



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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

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Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On 7/13/06, Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:54:39PM -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>> > On 7/13/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > A non-programmer.
>> > I read that IP-over-FireWire can only be done in Linux by recompiling
>> > the kernel.  Maybe this was wrong.
>>
>> What work has to be done depends on whether your dist. has it compiled
>> in for the stock kernels.  Apparently Debian's have it.
>>
>> I am a non-programmer (OK, OK, APL in high-school, main frame 360 out
>> of William and Mary...).  Pure hobbyist at the OS level.  I always roll
>> my own kernel.  No programming involved, but it does require that you
>> learn a chunk about your box's innards.
>>
>> Not hard to do, but requires patience and some time.  Kernel-package
>> makes the installation easy.  For myself, grub is automatically
>> updated, so the working older kernel is normally kept as a backup (as
>> long as it's a version change, at least, like 2.6.15 to 2.6.16) in case
>> what I've created turns into a monster on bootup.
>>
>> It's not a bad idea to have a rescue partition set up on an unused Gb
>> chunk on your HD as well, along with a grub rescue floppy (CD?).
>>
>> There must be at least a few hundred primers out there on doing this.
>>
>> Try it sometime.  :)
>>
>>
>> Kenward
> 
> I find it all interesting, and I would like to, but my major is
> composition, and I deal with lots of deadlines as a musician and
> student.  It's a fine line, how far I can go learning something so
> specialized, when I run both XP and OSX, in either of which I can turn
> out a good track in minimal time, spending most of my time writing the
> music.  I've spend most of the last 2 days installing, learning,
> reinstalling Linux, googling every possible combination of letters
> from a QWERTY keyboard.
> I am drawn towards stuff like this, and I have the mind for it, but
> it's not what I'm "here for", it's a means to an end.  I do note that
> you, and someone on the Pure Data list, mention both 2.6.15 and
> 2.6.16, and the latest stable AGNULA release uses 2.6.12; if this
> change is necessary, then I can justify it.  But it's easy for me to
> get caught up in this stuff and forget that I'm supposed to be
> composing over summer and preparing for a senior recital.

What exactly do you need Firewire for?  I.e., which peripheral do
you need to attach to your PC?

Also, you're on the AGNULA Users mailing list, right?

http://www.agnula.org/lists/

> I also haven't yet seen the kind of audio software in Linux that I can
> use on Windows and Mac.  I'm rooting for it, but other musicians not
> as interested in getting inside their boxes are pretty dismissive
> about it.

Sadly, Linux isn't a great musician's OS.

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Firefox text display is misbehaving

2006-07-14 Thread John -

Since yesterday's upgrade of firefox to 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.4-2,
something's out of whack: only the first word on each line of text is
displayed. If I click on or highlight the line (via left mouse
button), the rest of the words usually appear, then disappear again if
I move the mouse. This behavior extends even to Firefox's own buttons:
e.g., "Check " becomes "Check Mail" when touched.

Mozilla-browser displays text OK, as does mozilla-firefox in a
chrooted sarge installation on the same computer.  So I think it's a
firefox problem. Downgrading firefox as low as 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-2 does
not help, nor does fiddling with fonts via "Preferences," nor even
purging and reinstalling it.

The machine with the misbehavior is a ThinkPad A31, pure sid, and it
shows up with two different home-compiled kernels: 2.6.16 from Debian
and 2.6.17 from kernel.org.

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Re: Daylight Savings Time Extended

2006-07-14 Thread Paul Johnson

On Friday 14 July 2006 05:33, Magnus Therning wrote:

> Maybe we should try to get the Americans to change a few more times
> every year? ;-)

I'd agree with what you said if you s/American/Californian.  This country 
isn't big enough for California and the rest of us...

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Re: Why?

2006-07-14 Thread Paul E Condon

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:40:07AM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
> >But some posters to this thread seem to be unaware that selecting
> >"Desk top" during install of Debian causes -both- kde -and- gnome to
> >be installed. So, I believe almost all of those newbies about whom we
> >are genuinely concerned already have both on their computer.  And
> >-both- gdm -and- kdm can be told to start up either kdm or gnome.
> >(xdm doesn't seem to have this feature.)
> 
> Yes, but still I believe the question should be asked. Newbies don't 
> know there is a choice and find themselves in default gnome before they 
> have a chance to decide. Experts have to know that they manually have to 
> select kde before they log in.
> 
> I don't remember how often I sat in front of a newly installed computer, 
> thoughtlessly entering username and password, accidentially starting 
> gnome, switching to the console, removing all the autogenerated gnome 
> config files, selecting kde or xfce and logging in again
> 
> It certainly isn't an unnecessary question to be asked on installation!

Strictly speaking, it is unnecessary. The installation gets done successfully
without it being asked. A more appropriate question might be, it is useful?
For a real newbie, the idea that there different competing user interfaces is
a real mind bender. For a person like you who knows about it and knows what 
he wants, the question would be a useful reminder to choose now what you will
otherwise choose later. I also like helpful reminders to do things that I
know I want to have done, but does this outrank making the install interface
OK for real first-time dummies? These dummies often have good communication
skills and write good letters to this list asking really dumb questions,
which sometimes trigger really nasty flames from some of us. Bad! I say
let's keep it simple. But that's just my opinion.

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Re: New Video Card.


On 7/14/06, Albert Dengg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:04:12AM -0500, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
> try to install it.
>
> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
>
> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
>
> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
>
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1

hi
while i havn't tried the nvidia drivers lately, basically nvidia just
makes gpus and has others build the graphic cards.


That's confirm my guess. Thanks.


that said i must tell you that the nvidia drivers aren't without
problems either to my expirience...and actully the fglrx drivers do work
for me  at the moment...



I know that, but my experience with ATI is too poor, and in amd64 list
the most promising card seems to be nvidia.


yours
Albert

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Re: New Video Card.


AGP

Around ~ 300 USD Less the better, I have an eye in nvidia 6800 but
isn't mandatory.

Thanks

On 7/14/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
> try to install it.
>
> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
>
> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
>
> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
>
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
>
> I'm not in this list please copy me.

How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?

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Re: New Video Card.

2006-07-14 Thread psycheye

> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
u can buy nvidia graphic card and download the linux drivers from 
www.nvidia.com. At this point, i will use 2d/3d acceleration hw with nvidia 
module in Xorg or use nv driver (native xorg)

> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
I use nvidia since many years.. i don't had problems :-)

psycheye


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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

2006-07-14 Thread Chuckk Hubbard

On 7/13/06, Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:54:39PM -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On 7/13/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A non-programmer.
> I read that IP-over-FireWire can only be done in Linux by recompiling
> the kernel.  Maybe this was wrong.

What work has to be done depends on whether your dist. has it compiled
in for the stock kernels.  Apparently Debian's have it.

I am a non-programmer (OK, OK, APL in high-school, main frame 360 out
of William and Mary...).  Pure hobbyist at the OS level.  I always roll
my own kernel.  No programming involved, but it does require that you
learn a chunk about your box's innards.

Not hard to do, but requires patience and some time.  Kernel-package
makes the installation easy.  For myself, grub is automatically
updated, so the working older kernel is normally kept as a backup (as
long as it's a version change, at least, like 2.6.15 to 2.6.16) in case
what I've created turns into a monster on bootup.

It's not a bad idea to have a rescue partition set up on an unused Gb
chunk on your HD as well, along with a grub rescue floppy (CD?).

There must be at least a few hundred primers out there on doing this.

Try it sometime.  :)

Kenward

I find it all interesting, and I would like to, but my major is
composition, and I deal with lots of deadlines as a musician and
student.  It's a fine line, how far I can go learning something so
specialized, when I run both XP and OSX, in either of which I can turn
out a good track in minimal time, spending most of my time writing the
music.  I've spend most of the last 2 days installing, learning,
reinstalling Linux, googling every possible combination of letters
from a QWERTY keyboard.
I am drawn towards stuff like this, and I have the mind for it, but
it's not what I'm "here for", it's a means to an end.  I do note that
you, and someone on the Pure Data list, mention both 2.6.15 and
2.6.16, and the latest stable AGNULA release uses 2.6.12; if this
change is necessary, then I can justify it.  But it's easy for me to
get caught up in this stuff and forget that I'm supposed to be
composing over summer and preparing for a senior recital.

I also haven't yet seen the kind of audio software in Linux that I can
use on Windows and Mac.  I'm rooting for it, but other musicians not
as interested in getting inside their boxes are pretty dismissive
about it.

-Chuckk

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Re: Something has gone wrong with Mutt

2006-07-14 Thread Alec Berryman

Thomas H. George on 2006-07-14 11:47:30 -0400:

> Fetchmail is downloading messages but mutt is not displaying them?  I
> have not changed any settings and I saw nothing in the latest
> dist-upgrade of testing which related to mutt.  What can have gone
> wrong?

I don't know, but I can help you find out.  If you don't already have
fetchmail logging enabled, add the following to your ~/.fetchmailrc:

set logfile "/path/to/logfile"

And see what it's doing.

If you have fetchmail configured to use your local MTA (which I believe
is the default), you can also look in /var/log/mail.log.

If you use something like procmail, I'd check its logs, too.


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Re: "Unpacking replacement..." hangs in apt-get.

2006-07-14 Thread Joey Hess

Adam Soltan wrote:
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> (Reading database ... 105697 files and directories currently installed.)
> Preparing to replace mozilla-browser 2:1.7.8-1sarge5 (using 
> .../mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement mozilla-browser ...
> 

So instead of the ctrl-c stuff, run ps fax in another console, and look
to see what maintainer script is running (postrm or postinst probably)
and what program it's run that's hanging (maybe update-menus?)

Then see if you can reproduce the hang running the same program by hand,
strace it, and send in a bug report on it.

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2006-07-14 Thread Thomas H. George

Fetchmail is downloading messages but mutt is not displaying them?  I 
have not changed any settings and I saw nothing in the latest 
dist-upgrade of testing which related to mutt.  What can have gone wrong?


Tom George


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Re: New Video Card.

2006-07-14 Thread Albert Dengg

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:04:12AM -0500, Jaime Ochoa Malag?n wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
> try to install it.
> 
> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
> 
> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
> 
> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
> 
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1

hi
while i havn't tried the nvidia drivers lately, basically nvidia just
makes gpus and has others build the graphic cards.
that said i must tell you that the nvidia drivers aren't without
problems either to my expirience...and actully the fglrx drivers do work
for me  at the moment...

yours
Albert

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Re: Sarge and Athlon 64

2006-07-14 Thread Albert Dengg

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On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 03:58:32PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote:
... 
> I did it the other way round and when installing the 64 bit debian, grub 
> found my 32 bit install and added it to menu.lst.
> 
> I have successfully maintained both systems current on unstable for over a 
> year now.  Most of the upgrading can be done from within the chroot, although 
> occasionally I 
> have to boot into the i386 partition for some packages that need /proc 
> mounted in the install script.  At least this gives me an opportunity to 
> check it still boots as 
> expected :).
Hi
just a question: why don't you just bind mount proc to your chroot?

my chroot isn't and was never bootable...and i didn't have any problems
so far...

yours
Albert
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Re: New Video Card.

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Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
> compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
> try to install it.
> 
> I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
> only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?
> 
> I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...
> 
> This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
> recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
> because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
> capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.
> 
> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1
> 
> I'm not in this list please copy me.

How much money do you have to spend?  PCIe or AGP?

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New Video Card.


Hi,

I really hate my PowerColor ATI chipset video card because is not
compatible with the driver of ATI, this card just Hang every time I
try to install it.

I want to buy a nvidia card, the problem is I don't know if nvidia is
only the chipset or nvidia make their own video cards?

I haven't a wide offer of products anyway...

This card is being offered, and I want to know if any of you could
recomend it to me, I pretend istall this with the nvidia drivers
because I really have been looking for a card with wide video
capabilities under Linux to enjoy it.

http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=2&l2=7&l3=0&model=992&modelmenu=1

I'm not in this list please copy me.

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restarting apache2 service

2006-07-14 Thread Hansel A. Ortiz

im having problems trying to restart the apache2 service.

when im trying to install or configure phpmyadmin the process cannot be completed because the sistem can`t restart
the apache2 service, because is supposed in use.

when i tryed to restart the service manually... here is the output

linux-debian:/home/hortiz# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
Forcing reload of
web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?[Fri Jul 14
07:04:13 2006] [warn] module php4_module is already loaded, skipping
(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
no listening sockets available, shutting down
Unable to open logs

this error is present when im trying install any package via apt-get...
it ask me if i want to restart the apache2 service.. and then i got
this error...

this is the output
Forcing
reload of web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?[Fri
Jul 14 06:55:28 2006] [warn] module php4_module is already loaded,
skipping
(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80

no listening sockets available, shutting down
Unable to open logs
invoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "restart" failed.
dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Setting up gaim-data (1.2.1-1.4) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
phpmyadmin
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Re: debian-user: Firewire?

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> On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 02:21:11AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> ...
>>> Try searching the kernel config file under boot for IEEE1394 options:
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> kvaughan:~# grep IEEE1394 /boot/config-2.6.16
>>> CONFIG_IEEE1394=m
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_VERBOSEDEBUG is not set
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_OUI_DB is not set
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_EXTRA_CONFIG_ROMS is not set
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_EXPORT_FULL_API is not set
>>> CONFIG_IEEE1394_OHCI1394=m
>>> CONFIG_IEEE1394_VIDEO1394=m
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2 is not set
>>> # CONFIG_IEEE1394_ETH1394 is not set
>>> CONFIG_IEEE1394_DV1394=m
>>> CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=m
>> I'm truly stunned that SBP2 is not "m".
>>
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> 
> Well, careful what you do 'till you recover.  ;-)
> 
> I don't know what option that is, Ron.  IIRC, I followed the recs. from

SBP2 is the firewire analog of usb_storage.

> a site on the (certainly minimum) kernel option choices needed to get
> the video with kino working.  Perhaps that was on the list and I missed
> it (unlikely), or it's new since then...
> 
> Kino still works.

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Re: "Unpacking replacement..." hangs in apt-get.

2006-07-14 Thread Thibaut Paumard

Le vendredi 14 juillet 2006 à 17:03 +0200, Adam Soltan a écrit :
> Thibaut Paumard wrote:
> > Le vendredi 14 juillet 2006 à 15:10 +0200, Adam Soltan a écrit :
> > 
> >>I have an annoying problem with apt-get. When I run for instance
> >>apt-get upgrade it shifts into gear and starts downloading
> >>packages but it then hangs while unpacking some of them.
> >>Twin ctrl-c:s seem to skip the offending packages and move on
> >>with other ones. Below is a listing of what it can look like.
> >>Any tips?.. I am running debian 3.1r0a AMD64.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>Preparing to replace mozilla-browser 2:1.7.8-1sarge5 (using 
> >>.../mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb) ...
> >>Unpacking replacement mozilla-browser ...
> >>
> >>dpkg: error processing 
> >>/var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb 
> >>(--unpack):
> >> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)
> > 
> > 
> > FWIW, since it seems it has something to do with removing the previous
> > version rather than installing the new one, I would try and "aptitude
> > remove --purge" the offending packages first (and see what happens).
> > [...]
> 
> Now I get the dreaded "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state -
> you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." message. There
> seems to be some kind of evil mix up in the apt-database. I tried all
> sorts of stuff even dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq mutt but no
> luck. I just get
> 
> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
>   Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
>   reinstall it before attempting a removal.
> (Reading database ... 105643 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing mutt ...

Hmmm... if the currently "installed" version is still in your cache (or
if you can find it on the web), I would try and re-install this one
(dpkg -i). Now you may want to wait a couple of hours, see if people
with more experience come up with a more certain idea.

T.



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Re: "Unpacking replacement..." hangs in apt-get.

2006-07-14 Thread Adam Soltan


Thibaut Paumard wrote:

Le vendredi 14 juillet 2006 à 15:10 +0200, Adam Soltan a écrit :


I have an annoying problem with apt-get. When I run for instance
apt-get upgrade it shifts into gear and starts downloading
packages but it then hangs while unpacking some of them.
Twin ctrl-c:s seem to skip the offending packages and move on
with other ones. Below is a listing of what it can look like.
Any tips?.. I am running debian 3.1r0a AMD64.

[...]
Preparing to replace mozilla-browser 2:1.7.8-1sarge5 (using 
.../mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement mozilla-browser ...

dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb 
(--unpack):

dpkg: warning - old post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)



FWIW, since it seems it has something to do with removing the previous
version rather than installing the new one, I would try and "aptitude
remove --purge" the offending packages first (and see what happens).

That may be a pain if you have a lot of packages depending on them
though, or e.g. if you manually installed plugins in system directories.

Naturally, if you find that you have to do something unusual to perform
the upgraded, please submit a bug report...

T.



Now I get the dreaded "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state -
you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." message. There
seems to be some kind of evil mix up in the apt-database. I tried all
sorts of stuff even dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq mutt but no
luck. I just get

dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
 Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
 reinstall it before attempting a removal.
(Reading database ... 105643 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing mutt ...

... and it hangs there.

/Adam Soltan


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