Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 10:15:35PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:08, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 20:28 -0600, Dave Patterson wrote: > > > yea, verily, Paul Johnson sayith: > > > >..trivial changes to the name and artwork > > > > makes it free? > > > > > > It's still a fork. The differences will grow. > > > > The only real changes since its inception are; The Logos, the name > > and some variables (and of course those settings). > > > > I've not found a single extension that was written for FireFox > > v2.0.0+ and without any intent to support IceWeasel. > > > > I guess, you can read the intent of IceWeasel project if you want > > *MORE* clarification. > > There's also a chance that people may start writing code to replace the > non-free code in the original. There could be other reasons to fork a > project. > Hi Hal, I think folks may be missing one of the conditions to keep Firefox: vetting. MozCorp said that they had to inspect the code if Debian wanted to keep the name. Debian also wanted to support Stable versions and not just use the latest version which IIRC MozCorp said should do. Debian also did not want to wait to release security updates by having to get MozCorp appoval. Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: replying to a message in debian-user
> On Thursday 25 January 2007 10:26, Easthope wrote: > > When I work at home, thunderbird can send a > > reply to a message posted on this list. > > > > Presumeably it sends the Message-id of the > > preceeding message, or a thread identifier > > to the list maintenance program to allow > > connecting the new message into the correct > > thread. > > > > Thunderbird is not available when I am away > > from home. Then I must use a Web based MUA, > > MailSite Express version 7.0.3, Rockliffe > > Email Server. > > > > In this circumstance, is there any way to > > reply to a message so that the thread > > connection is maintained? On 25.01.07 10:55, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > Well, if your web-based MUA supports it, it can and should do threading > correctly. Barring that, as long as the subject stays intact, often other > people's MUA will do pseudo-threading by subject line if there is no other > threading information in the headers. I wouldn't rely on this. Using proper headers like References: and In-Reply-To: is important, otherwise we don't know where in thread does the message belong to. quick searching on MailSite Express web didn't tell anything if the server supports threading, nor those headers... I'm afraid it does not. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. Microsoft dick is soft to do no harm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:44, Oliver Twist wrote: In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. Once Etch becomes stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other distros, upgrading across stable releases is really easy! Others have answered the rest of your questions. You might also find http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html useful. A number of people reported problems with the upgrade from XFree86 to Xorg and to using udev. It might be better to start with Etch and just leave it at that. I did a clean install of Etch, myself (for the first time since Bo). I did it for other reasons, actually, but I think it may have been good from the standpoint of avoiding those particular upgrade changes, as well. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
> I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. > Once Etch becomes > stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other > distros, upgrading > across stable releases is really easy! I disagree, and here's why: The upgrade from sarge to etch is NOT seamless. Sarge installs 2.4 kernel. 2.4 support is dropped in etch, so you should upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, which means all the new userspace tools for 2.6 kernel (module-init-tools, udev, etc.) And there's the xfree86 to xorg transition too. I don't know how seamless that transition is, since I don't run X on my Debian servers. Finally, the OP didn't specify hardware. As we all know, etch has support for more modern hardware than sarge. Also, I think the etch installer is better than the sarge installer, I especially like the GUI installer. Plus, etch is just more up to date. Sarge is downright old now. To echo the sentiments of another poster, Debian "testing" is more "stable" than, say, Windows XP with Service Pack 2. -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Paul Johnson wrote: > Angelo Bertolli wrote: > > >> I'm not clear on why Firefox couldn't be put in non-free though. (I >> just figured it was for upgrades.) >> > > Why put something in non-free if trivial changes to the name and artwork > makes it free? > No, I mean a non-free firefox package in addition to iceweasel. I know it sounds redundant, but I bet someone will start doing it eventually since all it takes is using Mozilla's Linux binary and putting it in deb format. Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: From unstable to Etch
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Epprecht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:21 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: From unstable to Etch > > Hello > > I have a Debian/unstable installation which is now used by > other family > members, so I want to switch it to Etch (now or when Etch > becomes stable). > I do not care too much if some things would not be exactly like in the > coming stable Etch release, but I do want security updates > (without the > danger of destroying the system by an update). > > I do know that downgrading is not really supported by aptitude, but > I think that these days where Etch will soon become stable I > could probably > just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Etch instead > of unstable > and have more or less an Etch system after a while (I'm using aptitude > and the sid system is up to date). > > Or is there more involved? When is the best time to do the switch? > > Thank you for insights, > Robert Epprecht Create a file called /etc/apt/preferences, and in it, put: Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 1001 Then, change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Etch. Then, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade will attempt to downgrade. You'll probably get a number of errors about a file extisting in a package that already exists in another package. If you do, you'll have to download and install those packages individually with dpkg -I --force-overwrite packagename.deb. When you're all done, if you see any packages in aptitude under "obsolete or locally created packages", those are most likely packages from Sid that aren't in Etch, and you should remove them. Also, don't forget to add security.debian.org to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Finally, remove the /etc/apt/preferences file you created above. Have fun! -- Kevin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 23:20 -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:52, Greg Folkert wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 21:38 -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:33, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > > Do you see a difference? > > > > > > > > You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel > > > > provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional > > > > difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a > > > > mountain out of a molehill. > > > > > > Here's the part I don't get. Even though I'm making a living as a > > > programmer, I'm self taught and have missed a lot -- and I don't > > > know C or C++. I've tried to make sense of the listing of what was > > > taken out of Firefox to make Iceweasel, yet I found it hard to > > > follow. > > > > > > Just what was taken out as non-free if it doesn't effect > > > functionality? If it doesn't make a difference, why is it in there? > > > Or have all the non-free things been replaced by free code > > > already? > > > > The whole thing comes down to this. > ... > > They only way to fix this issue was to: > > 1. Get the Mozilla Foundation to compromise on its stance, > > allowing quid-pro-quo from before, They said it'll never happen, > > ever. They were "protecting" the Firefox Branding > > 2. Get Debian to compromise, making exceptions to its policy on > > DFSG. Thereby compromising the whole foundation that Debian > > is built upon. Possibly forcing hundreds of other compromises of the > > DFSG. > > 3. "Fork" the Firefox source, to be changed to the point where > > it was no longer defying the Mozilla Foundation's terms, but also > > complying with the Debian Free Software Guide(DFSG). > > > > I'll bet you can guess which one the maintainer(s) was(were) forced > > to choose. > > > > Any questions? > > Okay, I get that and thanks for the rundown, but at one point I saw a > list of differences between Firefox and Iceweasel, including a long > list of things that were removed from Iceweasel. A lot of it looked > technical, but it did seem to indicate there was a lot more than a logo > and name that were removed. When people refer to the non-free code, is > it ONLY to the logo and name? It just seemed like the list of changes > was a lot longer than that. The actual things removed: http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/fulltree/iceweasel-1.5.0.7-g2/remove.nonfree Most all of them are Graphics related, except for the auto-updater for Firefox...err Iceweasel and a Platforms Debian does not support (like OS2). Examples of branded code, samples of API and other branded stuff. http://times.debian.net/1022-iceweasel There that explains the stuff from a more lay term perspective. IOW, expanded the package to compile on all the Debian supported architectures. Please stop using generalities, when the stuff is quickly found. IOW GIYF (Google Is Your Friend) in this instance. The thing is, Debian has done this many times. CDRecord/WODIM is one good example. Cheers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:44, Oliver Twist wrote: > In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am > wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or > the stable release of 3.1 ? > I would say start with 3.1. If all is well, stick with it. Once Etch becomes stable, you can upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0. Unlike other distros, upgrading across stable releases is really easy! Others have answered the rest of your questions. You might also find http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html useful. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- Online Bachelor Degree For You Jumpstart your career by earning your Bachelor's degree 100% online http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUjUCKdMBjDyRCSdExWLkS7yPtS0zE3Bb/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From unstable to Etch
On Sunday 28 January 2007 09:21, Robert Epprecht wrote: > Hello > > I have a Debian/unstable installation which is now used by other family > members, so I want to switch it to Etch (now or when Etch becomes stable). > I do not care too much if some things would not be exactly like in the > coming stable Etch release, but I do want security updates (without the > danger of destroying the system by an update). > > I do know that downgrading is not really supported by aptitude, but > I think that these days where Etch will soon become stable I could probably > just change my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Etch instead of unstable > and have more or less an Etch system after a while (I'm using aptitude > and the sid system is up to date). > > Or is there more involved? When is the best time to do the switch? > I think, at this point of time, you can do this by just changing unstable to etch in the /etc/apt/sources.list. However the path wont be very smooth and expect some bumps. My advice is simple, update package by package as you seem necessary; avoid massive changes such as those result from dist-upgrade etc., Be careful when dealing with large packages like KDE, xorg etc., Pay attention to packages that will be remvoed when you apt-get something. I dont think you need to use pinning at this point of time (since etch and unstable are pretty close these days)... hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- Save on your Health Insurance Compare multiple quotes to save with NetQuote's free service http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/MhtYWUi3OrSwq8DYNomySvndpvmuzufgN4v0G/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A simple question FORK! Something that bugs me about net-installs and security
On 1/28/07, John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Make sure you buy v4 or below. v5 can't be upgraded (and doesn't run Linux) The WRT54G v4 was re-released as the WRT54GL - the L for Linux. Zach -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
"Alan Ianson" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun January 28 2007 19:44, Oliver Twist wrote: I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much want to move to Debian. In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? A few concerns: 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes "stable"? Around 1 year, woody was supported for that long after sarge was released. Etch will be supported for 1 year or untill the release of etch+1: "Lenny", whichever comes first. (Wither way, it should be around a year) 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to 4.0? Once the security support has stopped I would upgrade. Yes, although It is likely that a reasonable end user would want to upgrade sooner, especially considering that backports to old-stable are quite uncommon. 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? Not really (in my view). I'm running etch now and I couldn't be happier. It is still testing so it's possible stuff could happen but etch has been downright stable for some time now although there are still rc bugs being worked out. Agreed. There is a slight possibility things could break. But Etch is still far more stable then the "stable" versions of most other distros. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CPU fan control
It seem that Linux does not enable cpu frequency scaling by default. So the cpu is alway run in full speed. It generate heat so much. The fan cooling can not reduce heat enough To solve this problem install cpufreqd and see the README.Debian to enable cpu frequency scaling. Kan 2007/1/29, Manu Hack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I've installed etch on my laptop. During the time I used Windows, I feel the CPU temperature is lower. And now the CPU fan works when the CPU temperature is higher than 70C and stops (or runs at a lower speed) when it's 55C or lower. I'd like to know if it's possible to adjust the threshold temperature like making it run faster well below 70C. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ?? Skype name: AGS-R&D-??(?)
dvdstyler, "not valid mpeg-file"
I am generating MPEG-2 files in hardware using the WinTV PVR-150 MCE. About one in 20 files is rejected by dvdstyler as "not valid mpeg-file." Mythtv and totem have no problems playing the files. The Mythtv video file settings are all default as installed. Everything on my system is stock sarge and debian-multimedia, all up-to-date. I have tried re-encoding with ffmpeg and mencoder, guessing at various parameters, without success. I am not familiar enough with video in general to easily debug this problem. If I bypass dvdstyler, mpgtx rejects the file. If I then use the mpgtx -X option, forcing mpgtx to search for a valid mpeg header, then later on mplex fails. Any help is appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Max Hyre writes: > Of course, they're fighting a losing battle in the casual usage... In the US they have no power over casual usage. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:52, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 21:38 -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:33, Paul Johnson wrote: > > ... > > > > > > Do you see a difference? > > > > > > You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel > > > provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional > > > difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a > > > mountain out of a molehill. > > > > Here's the part I don't get. Even though I'm making a living as a > > programmer, I'm self taught and have missed a lot -- and I don't > > know C or C++. I've tried to make sense of the listing of what was > > taken out of Firefox to make Iceweasel, yet I found it hard to > > follow. > > > > Just what was taken out as non-free if it doesn't effect > > functionality? If it doesn't make a difference, why is it in there? > > Or have all the non-free things been replaced by free code > > already? > > The whole thing comes down to this. ... > They only way to fix this issue was to: > 1. Get the Mozilla Foundation to compromise on its stance, > allowing quid-pro-quo from before, They said it'll never happen, > ever. They were "protecting" the Firefox Branding > 2. Get Debian to compromise, making exceptions to its policy on > DFSG. Thereby compromising the whole foundation that Debian > is built upon. Possibly forcing hundreds of other compromises of the > DFSG. > 3. "Fork" the Firefox source, to be changed to the point where > it was no longer defying the Mozilla Foundation's terms, but also > complying with the Debian Free Software Guide(DFSG). > > I'll bet you can guess which one the maintainer(s) was(were) forced > to choose. > > Any questions? Okay, I get that and thanks for the rundown, but at one point I saw a list of differences between Firefox and Iceweasel, including a long list of things that were removed from Iceweasel. A lot of it looked technical, but it did seem to indicate there was a lot more than a logo and name that were removed. When people refer to the non-free code, is it ONLY to the logo and name? It just seemed like the list of changes was a lot longer than that. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
On Sun January 28 2007 19:44, Oliver Twist wrote: > I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other > (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much > want to move to Debian. > > In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am > wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or > the stable release of 3.1 ? > > A few concerns: > > 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes > "stable"? Around 1 year, woody was supported for that long after sarge was released. > 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to > 4.0? Once the security support has stopped I would upgrade. > 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? Not really (in my view). I'm running etch now and I couldn't be happier. It is still testing so it's possible stuff could happen but etch has been downright stable for some time now although there are still rc bugs being worked out. > not looking to start a "which is better" argument, just looking for some > input about making a choice given the current release timeline. They are both good so it hard to say which is best in any case.. :) I use etch mostly for OOo that isn't available in sarge amd64 but works well in etch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Handing over boot sequence from one drive to another
MeneM wrote: Dear List, Could anyone tell me how to copy my current debian installation to a different external iomega jazz drive, and be able to boot from it in case of emergency? I like rsync for this task. There are also many specialized backup tools in Debian. I'm figuring; reading some articles after some merry googling, that I need to copy /boot /etc /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /dev and a bit of /usr to it Why not mirror the whole drive? and then make it bootable with fdisk right? No, you use lilo or grub. Does this mean it also takes with it all the program's / servers I've currently installed? Like mysql and bacula? This is a non-trivial issue. Databases need guaranteed integrity and use specialized backup software with journaling filesystems. A restore would then be insanely easy if it ever came to that. That would depend on what data you need to restore, and when (or if) it was backed up. You see I'm trying to go down this route, but I cannot get the jaz drive to boot. There's no BIOS option for it. So I have to boot off CD or something and then hand the boot process over to the jaz drive. but _how_? You can select it as root partition, from the lilo or grub command line, or by configuring lilo or grub on a BIOS bootable drive to select the Jaz drive as the root drive. See the appropriate lilo or grub docs. Hoping someone can help me on a. more easily preparing a hard drive with files needed for booting, including all the programs currently installed and b. handing over the boot sequence from the cd to a SCSI attached drive. Thanks in advance even if you are only reading this ;-) Mark Incidently, I'm suprised anyone is still using a Jaz drive. Are not USB flash drives cheaper per byte? They might also boot in your computer. If on the other hand you are using old hardware because its the right geek thing to do, then just ignore this comment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 21:38 -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:33, Paul Johnson wrote: > ... > > > Do you see a difference? > > > > You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel > > provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional > > difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a mountain > > out of a molehill. > > Here's the part I don't get. Even though I'm making a living as a > programmer, I'm self taught and have missed a lot -- and I don't know C > or C++. I've tried to make sense of the listing of what was taken out > of Firefox to make Iceweasel, yet I found it hard to follow. > > Just what was taken out as non-free if it doesn't effect functionality? > If it doesn't make a difference, why is it in there? Or have all the > non-free things been replaced by free code already? The whole thing comes down to this. Previously, the LOGO was never included with what was called Firefox in Mozilla, as it was argued (incessantly on Debian Devel and on Debian Legal). It was finally found that the Logo restrictions the Mozilla Foundation had put on it was non-DFSG compliant. But the package was still called Firefox in Debian. The Mozilla Foundation formerly gave Debian an Exception to Distribute the package that way. Early last year (or maybe a bit before that) The Mozilla Foundation Declared that the Firefox package in Debian WAS NOT Mozilla Foundation Blessed anymore. It was required that Debian make it "Mozilla Foundation Sources" with the official Logo in it and be the source MUST NOT BE CHANGED beyond compile time changes. TO get changes in the source, and still be called Firefox, they had to be submitted to the "Mozilla Foundation" choosing to either include it or not. Delaying any "Security or bug" fixes possibly forever for Debian. This then compromised Debian's autonomy to provide its support for its own Distribution... or at best hamstrung it. They only way to fix this issue was to: 1. Get the Mozilla Foundation to compromise on its stance, allowing quid-pro-quo from before, They said it'll never happen, ever. They were "protecting" the Firefox Branding 2. Get Debian to compromise, making exceptions to its policy on DFSG. Thereby compromising the whole foundation that Debian is built upon. Possibly forcing hundreds of other compromises of the DFSG. 3. "Fork" the Firefox source, to be changed to the point where it was no longer defying the Mozilla Foundation's terms, but also complying with the Debian Free Software Guide(DFSG). I'll bet you can guess which one the maintainer(s) was(were) forced to choose. Any questions? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
John Hasler wrote: > Angelo writes: >> It was reiterated by Mozilla that if it doesn't do this, it will lose >> some ability to protect its trademarks. IANAL, but somehow it just >> doesn't sound right to me. > > It needn't be right in order to be true. Trademark law is loony. Actually, it's right, true, and not at all loony. Think about what a trademark is: a way to tell the buyer exactly what she's getting. If Kimberly-Clark let any old tissue maker put `Kleenex' on their box, there wouldn't be any purpose to the name, would there? So, K-C has to insist the name only be used for their product, and none other. [1] Therefore, the law simply recognizes that if things have gotten to the point where the name no longer specifies a particular maker's product, it has no use as a trademark, and therefore isn't one, and the owner loses the right to claim it as such. [2] /Therefore/, trademark owners have to do their best to keep such a thing from happening, which means not letting people call random programs ``Firefox''. And, if it's Free Software, it can easily turn into some random program, so don't do that. Debian is just the first one to hit the tripwire. Of course, why Mozilla thinks it /needs/ a trademark is another question, and one for which I can offer no answers. If Mozilla just accepted back reasonable patches, there'd be only One True Firefox, modulo a few lines of code here and there. If Joe's Browser & Storm Door Company came out with something entirely different and called it that, they'd be laughed out of business. H, if it were Microsoft putting out the counterfeit, on the other hand Maybe Mozilla has a point there. -- Best wishes, Max Hyre, who took a class in this stuff several decades ago. [1] Of course, they're fighting a losing battle in the casual usage, but at least they can keep other tissue makers at bay. [2] Did you know `Zipper' used to be a trademark? And not so long ago only Merriam-Webster could call a dictionary `Webster's'? [3] Trademark law recognizes that no one's going to mistake a hawk for a handsaw, so two companies making those two separate products can both call them `Hamlet' brand, with no trademark infringement. The U.S. PTO has a whole list of different product types to help decide which are more or less non-conflicting: http://tess2.uspto.gov/netahtml/manual.html (NOTE: This is a biiiggg page: 1.2 MB, almost 2300 lines. Unless you're morbidly curious, you probably want to load just a bit and cancel the transfer.) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
stable 3.1 (sarge) or testing 4.0 (etch) for a new user?
I am a soon-to-be new user of Debian. I have been using other (particularly live) distros for a while to learn linux, but I very much want to move to Debian. In any case, with a new major release (etch - 4.0) coming out soon, I am wondering which release to use right now... the testing release of 4.0 or the stable release of 3.1 ? A few concerns: 1) How long will security updates be maintained for 3.1 once 4.0 becomes "stable"? 2) If I do choose 3.1 for now, will I soon find it necessary to move to 4.0? 3) Any particular reason why it may not be good to pick 4.0 at this point? not looking to start a "which is better" argument, just looking for some input about making a choice given the current release timeline. thanks... _ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch on X86-64
On Sun January 28 2007 15:58, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Hello there, > > my desktop computer recently bit the dust and I'm thinking of getting a > Core 2 duo system. What is the status of Debian on the X86-64 platform? > Is it usable? I'd love to hear from people using this particular port and > their experiences. I've heard various things here and there e.g. Linux > doesn't use both CPUs on the Core 2 duo. Is this a load of nonsense? I've been using the amd64 version since the release of sarge. Sarge worked very well for me although I understand there is some new hardware that needs etch. The differences between amd64 and i386 are few and far between at this point, they were a bit more noticable when sarge was released. I think (though my facts are few) that multimedia is still a little behind i386 but leveling out now. It's vey usable, I've been using it 1 1/2 years now. I only have a single cpu myself but from what I have read dual the core/cpu is well supported. In sarge you need to be sure you have an appropriate kernel installed but in etch it is always supported (if available). $0.02 :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 21:13 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 04:52:36PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > > I think his point wasn't so much the version number as the name in front > > of it. Websites don't know what Iceweasel is, they do know what Firefox is. > > > I think that such a thing is bad. I understand the purpose behind the > name change. But a browser that claims to be a Firefox-alike should > function as much like Firefox as possible. To me that means not messing > with the useragent string. That sort of thing is generally hidden from > users and not likely to be easy to figure out/fix for many users in the > case of a problem. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205 Iceweasel/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-2) Wow, that's a bigg'un. The User agent string has only had one thing changed. s/Iceweasel/Firefox/ Now, if you are programming for Standards... That wouldn't matter. When you don't and program for only Internet Explorer who cares about Firefox let alone Iceweasel. No care for Galeon, Konqueror, Safari or Opera... It has come down to the fact that Microsoft made a TON of proprietary extensions. Lets let them jam EOOXML down our throats. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:08, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 20:28 -0600, Dave Patterson wrote: > > yea, verily, Paul Johnson sayith: > > >..trivial changes to the name and artwork > > > makes it free? > > > > It's still a fork. The differences will grow. > > The only real changes since its inception are; The Logos, the name > and some variables (and of course those settings). > > I've not found a single extension that was written for FireFox > v2.0.0+ and without any intent to support IceWeasel. > > I guess, you can read the intent of IceWeasel project if you want > *MORE* clarification. There's also a chance that people may start writing code to replace the non-free code in the original. There could be other reasons to fork a project. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 20:28 -0600, Dave Patterson wrote: > yea, verily, Paul Johnson sayith: > > >..trivial changes to the name and artwork > > makes it free? > > > It's still a fork. The differences will grow. The only real changes since its inception are; The Logos, the name and some variables (and of course those settings). I've not found a single extension that was written for FireFox v2.0.0+ and without any intent to support IceWeasel. I guess, you can read the intent of IceWeasel project if you want *MORE* clarification. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: A simple question FORK! Something that bugs me about net-installs and security
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 01/28/07 13:32, John L Fjellstad wrote: >> Make sure you buy v4 or below. v5 can't be upgraded (and doesn't run >> Linux) > > I thought that was the difference between the WRT54GL and WRT54G. You're right. The WRT54GL is the linux version. From what I can gather from the Linksys pages, I think the new version is the WRT54GS. -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xen, cannot create partition from and for domU
Hi, I run _full virtualization_, on Xen3.0.3, Debian (not openSuse this time). I try to install a Debian netinst. A problem occurs when (the domU is) trying to create the partitions on wich it's going to install. The domU configuration is [...] disk=['phy:/dev/sda6,ioemu:hda,w','file:/home/temp/dn.iso,hdc:cdrom,r'] [...] The /dev/sda6 was in the past an ext3 partition and I just reformat it to ext3 before using it for the full virtualization. In the debian netinst domU installation stage of creating partitions (whatever partition scheme I order) it (the Debian installer) _always_ fails saying ext3 partition creation failed. Nothing more. Is there a known issue about that? Must I use file-partitions? Thank you for any answers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Roberto C. Sanchez writes: > But a browser that claims to be a Firefox-alike should function as much > like Firefox as possible. To me that means not messing with the > useragent string. I think that the maintainer believes (erroneously, IMHO) that he had to change it to avoid trademark infringement. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 17:50, Paul Johnson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 01/28/07 08:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? >>> What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? >> You must not read /.. > > You would think that after as long as we have had microwave ovens these days > that people would be aware that microwaves require moisture to work > properly... Actually, no, I wouldn't. For the longest time, I thought it was the fat that was heated up. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvV9xS9HxQb37XmcRAqWEAJ9z9l2chLMXSrlv8Vz8GQjZDTlUoACeLilW GGlgorH0nsmk745zx8dlYec= =4YMt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:33, Paul Johnson wrote: ... > > Do you see a difference? > > You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel > provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional > difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a mountain > out of a molehill. Here's the part I don't get. Even though I'm making a living as a programmer, I'm self taught and have missed a lot -- and I don't know C or C++. I've tried to make sense of the listing of what was taken out of Firefox to make Iceweasel, yet I found it hard to follow. Just what was taken out as non-free if it doesn't effect functionality? If it doesn't make a difference, why is it in there? Or have all the non-free things been replaced by free code already? Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:36, Paul Johnson wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote: > > Mike Hommey wrote: > >> To be fair, it's not exactly true, because upgrading from firefox > >> to iceweasel in debian means upgrading from version 1.0 or 1.5 to > >> 2.0, and there are substancial changes that some people dislike, > >> myself included. > >> > >> Which means Piotr is actually probably complaining about the fact > >> that iceweasel is not quite the same as firefox used to be on his > >> desktop, but on the other hand, if it were still named firefox, he > >> would have the same opinion. > > > > Maybe not, because the name change makes it visible for him that > > there has been a change indeed. Changes from 1.0 to 1.5 or 1.5 to > > 2.0 may be accepted as upstream changes that just happen. Remember > > the Cola tests? Blindfolded have preferred Pepsi over Coca, with > > eyes open the result they preferred the Coca variant. > > I took the Pepsi Challenge and they video taped it. Pepsi lost > blindfolded. Funny how you didn't see me in the Pepsi ads... What makes you think that's the reason they didn't show you? ;-) Hal (Hey, you left the door open. All I did was walk through it.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:42, Paul Johnson wrote: > Stephen R Laniel wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> Please quit top posting. > > > > Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which > > surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way > > toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which is surely > > the least interesting debate in the history of computing -- > > go away: > > > > http://laniels.org/scripts/top_post_fixer.pl.txt > > > > This will tag all the lines in a given message by whether > > they're raw line or one containing a quote. It's primitive, > > but hopefully it's enough of a start that someone can expand > > upon it and end the spectacularly stupid debate. > > Why should the reader have to fix spectacularly broken presentation > on behalf of the writer? If they want an audience, they should do it > right the first time. It's not like this is anything new, RFC1855 is > 12 years old now. People should just not learn from Outlook and > expect it to be the way the Internet works. Oh, and everyone that uses e-mail spends their time reading every RFC out there. Remember you're always going to be dealing with newbies -- at least until kids grow up writing e-mail the right way, and it'll take a while for that to happen. Face it: Usenet isn't the only place where September is eternal. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
yea, verily, Paul Johnson sayith: >..trivial changes to the name and artwork > makes it free? > It's still a fork. The differences will grow. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Stephen R Laniel wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> Please quit top posting. > > Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which > surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way > toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which is surely > the least interesting debate in the history of computing -- > go away: > > http://laniels.org/scripts/top_post_fixer.pl.txt > > This will tag all the lines in a given message by whether > they're raw line or one containing a quote. It's primitive, > but hopefully it's enough of a start that someone can expand > upon it and end the spectacularly stupid debate. Why should the reader have to fix spectacularly broken presentation on behalf of the writer? If they want an audience, they should do it right the first time. It's not like this is anything new, RFC1855 is 12 years old now. People should just not learn from Outlook and expect it to be the way the Internet works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/28/07 08:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges >>> in the microwave? >> >> What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? > > You must not read /.. You would think that after as long as we have had microwave ovens these days that people would be aware that microwaves require moisture to work properly... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Raid trouble
Please don't top post. On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 01:59:20PM -0800, Land Haj wrote: > Thank you for this reply! > > I'm still learning here, and from what I understand I need to do > > mdadm --assemble --scan > > to get the /dev/md[x] to appear in my unstable installation (see my setup in > the first post), and then I can safely > > mount /dev/md2 /mnt/raid > cp -a /mnt/raid/anything . > umount /mnt/raid > > But do I have to disassemble raid somehow before I reboot into my etch > system? I mean do I have to kinda undo the mdadm command above before I > reboot? > That should work. It will stop things in a sensible manner if you just shutdown or reboot. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Angelo Bertolli wrote: > I'm not clear on why Firefox couldn't be put in non-free though. Â (I > just figured it was for upgrades.) Why put something in non-free if trivial changes to the name and artwork makes it free? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 04:52:36PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: > > I think his point wasn't so much the version number as the name in front > of it. Websites don't know what Iceweasel is, they do know what Firefox is. > I think that such a thing is bad. I understand the purpose behind the name change. But a browser that claims to be a Firefox-alike should function as much like Firefox as possible. To me that means not messing with the useragent string. That sort of thing is generally hidden from users and not likely to be easy to figure out/fix for many users in the case of a problem. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Martin Schulze wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: >> To be fair, it's not exactly true, because upgrading from firefox to >> iceweasel in debian means upgrading from version 1.0 or 1.5 to 2.0, and >> there are substancial changes that some people dislike, myself included. >> >> Which means Piotr is actually probably complaining about the fact that >> iceweasel is not quite the same as firefox used to be on his desktop, >> but on the other hand, if it were still named firefox, he would have the >> same opinion. > > Maybe not, because the name change makes it visible for him that there > has been a change indeed. Changes from 1.0 to 1.5 or 1.5 to 2.0 may > be accepted as upstream changes that just happen. Remember the Cola > tests? Blindfolded have preferred Pepsi over Coca, with eyes open the > result they preferred the Coca variant. I took the Pepsi Challenge and they video taped it. Pepsi lost blindfolded. Funny how you didn't see me in the Pepsi ads... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Please don't top post, we all read English in chronological (not random) order. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Best_Online_Quoting_Practices Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > > Command I have used: > apt-get install firefox > > NOT > apt-get install iceweasel > > I knew exactly what I was doing, because my friend told me that there will > be no longer firefox in debian, instead of it will be iceweasel, so I was > curious what will happen after typing: > apt-get install firefox > > There is no longer firefox in debian etch, so after typing: > apt-get install firefox > I would like to see announcement: Firefox packages are no longer present > in debian distribution, please try iceweasel. > > Do you see a difference? You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. > I don't use aptitude, because I prefer command line. Aptitude can be used from the command line instead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Handing over boot sequence from one drive to another
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:54:46PM +0100, MeneM wrote: >> Could anyone tell me how to copy my current debian installation to a >> different external iomega jazz drive, I recently copied an etch install to a new drive. I had root, swap, /usr, and /var on their own partitions. Copied each to empty file systems on the new drive. Copying root is tricky because you don't want to copy /proc or /sys or /tmp, you want empty mount points with the same ownership and permissions. If you're new to Linux, a new install would be easier. >> and be able to boot from it in case of emergency? That depends on whether the external drive can be booted by BIOS. If not, the easiest thing would be to leave a copy of /boot on the old drive, and just make an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst that knows where the new root is. Nobody said your /boot directory has to be on the same drive as your system. I installed etch on an old system where the BIOS couldn't recognize a 10 GB drive. I had an old 540 MB drive lying around and put /boot on that. BIOS doesn't know there is a 120 GB drive next to it, and doesn't care. I suppose you could put /boot on a CD. >> I'm figuring; reading some articles after some merry googling, that I >> need to copy /boot /etc /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /dev and a bit of /usr >> to it and then make it bootable with fdisk right? You forgot to make mount points for /proc and /sys and an empty /tmp directory. You forgot /var/. See how this is not a good idea? "Bootable" means there is an MBR where BIOS can see it, that points to a /boot directory that BIOS can see. Linux does not care about the boot flag in the partition table. >> You see I'm trying to go down this route, but I cannot get the jaz drive >> to boot. There's no BIOS option for it. So I have to boot off CD or >> something and then hand the boot process over to the jaz drive. but _how_? You need GRUB to be able to see vmlinuz, initrd, and grub/menu.lst. But only stage 1 needs BIOS. Make a boot floppy. When it works, put an El Torito boot "catalog" on it and burn it to a CD. Floppies go bad. > A pre-requisite to booting the kernel on the jazz drive is that the jazz > drive be bootable. OP said that's not an option. Old BIOS. > So what __will__ your bios boot? > > Some suggestions for testing. > > Get the hd-media kernel and initrd.gz from Etch. What's an "hd-media kernel?" Package search doesn't see it. > Put the hd-media directory on it. What's an "hd-media directory"? My etch install doesn't have that. Cameron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto for setting up an debian home network router
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 11:13:39PM +0100, Kristian Lampen wrote: > Hi, > I want to prepare an PC as a DSL-firewall-router for a small > home-network, five PC (some windows, some debian). I have not found a > suitable HOWTO or tutorial for this task. > I use debian since five years, and know something about networking, but > i would like to have the important things for building the DSL-router, > in a compact form. > > Is there someome who can help with finding information about this? Take it in little bits: 1. Get the new PC working with the DSL so you can access the internet from it. 2. Choose a firewall package, e.g. shorewall (or just ipmasq). 3. Perhaps also put something like dnsmasq on it. 4. Hook the home network to it so that it is dual-homed (one NIC to the DSL, one NIC to the home network switch). 5. Ping and test. Each of these steps should be covered in many places: debian-reference HOWTOs shorewall-doc. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall via bridge
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:36:33PM -0500, celejar wrote:
> On 1/27/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:08:39AM -0500, celejar wrote:
> >>
> >> I plan to do a netinstall on a new laptop (Acer AS3960). There's
> >> internal wifi, and I have an Atheros PC card, but I have to assume
> >> that neither will be supported during installation. Ethernet directly
> >> into my gateway / router /wireless AP ('molly') is inconvenient
> >> because of the physical locations of the equipment. My current Debian
> >> (Sid) machine ('lucy') connects wirelessly to 'molly' via an Atheros
> >> PCI card supported by Madwifi.
> >>
> >> The following two solutions occur to me:
> >>
> >> A) Ethernet from the laptop (via crossover or a spare switch) to
> >> 'lucy' and bridge the wireless and wired interfaces on 'lucy'. IIUC,
> >> this will put the laptop on the wireless network, enabling it to
> >> configure itself via dhcp (from the dhcp server on 'molly') and then
> >> access the internet via 'molly' just like the other machines that are
> >> directly connected to 'molly'.
> >>
> >> B) As 'A', but instead of configuring a bridge, just set up apt-proxy
> >> or apt-cache on 'lucy.
> >
> >
> >I would go with B but don't bother with apt-proxy or a bridge. Just
> >forward through lucy. That crossover cable is its own network and lucy
> >can ip forward between the two networks. You may wish to run dnsmasq on
> >lucy so you can point the new box's resolver at it. If you need to, you
> >can also install ipmasq on lucy so molly thinks everything is coming
> >from lucy instead of the laptop. You won't need dhcp on the laptop,
> >just set it up manually.
>
> Thanks. I wasn't sure whether or not to use the same address range and
> subnet for the laptop if I do it this way. The main network is
> 192.168.0.0/24. If I use something different (e.g. 10.0.0.0/24) for
> the laptop (and wired iface of lucy), then I assume I'd have to
> masquerade (NAT) on lucy or else molly won't recognize packets with
> the 10.0.0.0 addresses. I suppose you mean I should just use
> 192.168.0.0/24 addresses on lucy and the laptop and assign them
> manually? If so, then as far as I understand it won't really be its
> own network. If I'm missing something, feel free to point it out :).
>
Hi Celejar
Let me try to draw this out and see if I've got it right:
++++ ++
internet | molly | 192.168.1.0 | lucy | 192.168.2.0 | laptop |
|.168.1.1| 255.255.255.0 |.168.2.1| 255.255.255.0 |.168.2.2|
|||.168.1.2| ||
++++ ++
On lucy, you set it for ip forwarding. You install the ipmasq package
which does the masquarading out of the box. You can also install the
dnsmasq package which does caching dns service out of the box.
On the laptop you tell it that your gateway and also your dns
server is 192.168.1.1
Molly will only see traffic coming from lucy because lucy will masqurade
it.
Lucy will of course need two ethernet cards unless you're using a serial
null-modem and going ppp (been there, done that, works great).
I've done this all the time, especially when ethernet switches were
expensive and not all my boxs had ethernet cards. Don't let the NAT on
lucy bother you. The ipmasq package does its job just fine with no
tweaking. If you _want_ it can also serve dhcp but I always set up
stuff manually.
Put all three boxes into all three box's /etc/hosts file. Test it out
with ping.
Enjoy.
Doug.
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Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/28/07 16:26, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: >>> There is actually an operational difference. In the about:config page >>> the setting general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to >>> "Iceweasel/2.0.0.1". Looks harmless, but it stopped me from logging >>> on to a website. It would only let me in when I set it to >>> "Firefox/2.0.0". > No, that's a problem with the web site. Go to Mozilla.org, and > you'll see that the current version in 2.0.0.1. I think his point wasn't so much the version number as the name in front of it. Websites don't know what Iceweasel is, they do know what Firefox is. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: top post fixer?
Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Wow! Nice explanation. I have always liked white on black xterms and > never was able to explain why so. Glad to hear that there is a logical > reason behind all this Yeah, it will be nice in the future when we have better display technologies -- I sort of like the _idea_ of black-on-white (typical ink-on-paper, after all, is just great), but in practice, on CRTs, I simply feel blinded by massive areas of glowing white... LCDs are a bit better than CRTs but still not really there. -miles -- In New York, most people don't have cars, so if you want to kill a person, you have to take the subway to their house. And sometimes on the way, the train is delayed and you get impatient, so you have to kill someone on the subway. [George Carlin] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NTP dynamic servers?
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:34:10PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote: > On Monday 22 January 2007 16:49, Bruno Voigt wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm running debian/unstable on my laptop and often the LAN/WLAN is not > > connected (yet) > > when the system is starting up - including NTPD. > > > > NTPD then seems to discard all unreachable server entries and ends up > > with no peers left. > > In some googled doc I found the ntp.conf option "dynamic" to tell it > > that some peers may become available later on, > > but the debian ntpd doesnt't seem to understand it - or I don't know how > > to use it correctly. > > > > What is the best way to configure the ntpd in such an environment ? > > Just configure ntpd as normal, but add an hourly cronjob which does > "/etc/init.d/ntp restart >/dev/null". > > A client has a server on PPPOE where ntpd always fails at the outset. > Using this, rather than ntpdate, results in the clock staying in sync > without stepping. The hwclock is good enough for ntpd after reboot > (or DSL outage) until the next time the cronjob runs. > Or, if you have some scriptable way to tell if the net is up (a ping to the ntp server?), you could put a script as the last to run in the network ip-up.d. Have it sit there polling (intermittant ping?) the server every minute until it gets a response then /etc/init.d/ntp restart, then exit. This would avoid the net-up just after the cron job goes then having to wait an hour before ntp is connected. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting broadband working on my new AMD64 box....
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> [new install, Internet "not working"]
> My old box is an AMD Duron 1200 Mhz 32 bit machine which is running Etch
> i386. The internet connection works fine on it.
>
> I use NTL broadband cable [NTL's cable box at eth0].
heh. This is in my rbldnsd file:
86.0/11 ; ntl.com cable modem users .UK (0-31)
; 86.2/15 ; cable/broadband.ntl.com CPE
; 86.6/15 ; cable.ntl.com CPE
Apparently some of your neighbors are hosting spam bots.
> I also looked in the network configuration box in the network admin icon. I
> found that the DNS server numbers for NTL are 194.168.4.100 and
> 194.168.8.100.
There are still thousands of wide open name servers on the net.
My advice is find a few that work, and make a static /etc/resolv.conf.
Then when your consumer broadband vendor's name servers fail
you can still see. Get everything else working. Then go back
and try the name servers NTL *wants* you to use.
This way you are only troubleshooting one thing at a time.
Acquiring name servers via DHCP is convenient, but it's
one more thing that can fail.
To find some open name servers, try the ones shown in Whois
or host -t ns, for a dozen random domains.
(*cough* mmu.ac.uk *cough* bbc.co.uk *cough* tees.ac.uk *cough*)
>
> I also ran ifconfig as follows:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/ifconfig | grep -A 1 eth
> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:44:33:AD:C3
> inet addr:86.22.11.90 Bcast:255.255.255.255 Mask:255.255.252.0
>--
> eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0A:E6:0C:AE:D4
> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
>
> My question is: what is the best use of this information when I disconnect
> the old box and plug in the new one to help it hook up to NTL?
> I could just put the DNS numbers in the network admin window for example.
That might not work. The new box has a different MAC address ("HWaddr")
and NTL may want to give it a different IP address. If you're
supposed to use DHCP, use it to get the right IPA. Just be
skeptical of the rest of the stuff it tells you.
The other thing you might ask the old box about is
/sbin/route -n | grep G
to find out where the gateway is for destinations beyond
your network segment. If your link is up, you can ping it.
Cameron
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Etch on X86-64
Hello there, my desktop computer recently bit the dust and I'm thinking of getting a Core 2 duo system. What is the status of Debian on the X86-64 platform? Is it usable? I'd love to hear from people using this particular port and their experiences. I've heard various things here and there e.g. Linux doesn't use both CPUs on the Core 2 duo. Is this a load of nonsense? thanks in advance, Ananda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ls and globbing and full pathnames
> > I need the > > full filepaths, something like this: > > --- > > /var/www/site1/index.html, /var/www/site1/some_image.jpg, > > /var/www/site2/index.html, /var/www/site2/some_other_file > > --- > > Is there any known way to get that kind of output instead? > > find /var/www > > then you get the full joy of using find's many features too. And certainly some of those options are needed to print just "all of the files in the root directories... " find /var/www/* -follow -maxdepth 1 -type f > if you really want a comma seperated list, the check out sed or cut. Maybe this would suffice (note it prints directories as well): ls -dm /var/www/*/* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardware (was Re: [OT] Dilbert cartoon featurng Linux)
* Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Jan 28 12:28 -0600]: > What a time to have missed the "open box" and "as is" AMD and Intel > dual core machines. Oh well, not like I _need_ another machine. Quite possibly, that was no accident. Either Microsoft or the manufacturers or both probably didn't want stuff like that hitting the market right before Vista's launch. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound card problem
On Sunday 28 January 2007 23:31, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 00:21:36 -0600, anthony givens wrote: > > I have a als62m sound card the chip is a als4000 chip I can't configure > > it for sound I try looking in different places (like linuxquestions and > > other places )and can't configure my sound card the error message I get > > is device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) one do I need to > > upgrade my kernel from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6 thank you for your help > > Can you load the card's driver module? What happens when you try to > > modprobe snd_als4000 > > ? > > If the module cannot be found then maybe you indeed have to upgrade to > a newer kernel or at least to a newer version of ALSA. (Unfortunately I > do not know at which version of ALSA the als4000 module was added.) > > -- > Regards, > Florian Just a bit of info from my Etch booted with the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel. I couldn't find the module manually, but running, as below finds it. /sbin/modinfo snd-als4000 Last login: Sun Jan 28 21:28:26 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/modinfo snd-als4000 filename:/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-als4000.o description: "Avance Logic ALS4000" author: "Bart Hartgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" license: "GPL" parm:index int array (min = 1, max = 8), description "Index value for ALS4000 soundcard." parm:id string array (min = 1, max = 8), description "ID string for ALS4000 soundcard." parm:enable int array (min = 1, max = 8), description "Enable ALS4000 soundcard." parm:joystick_port int array (min = 1, max = 8), description "Joystick port address for ALS4000 soundcard. (0 = disabled)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ And cat /proc/asound/version shows the following. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.10. Compiled on Nov 23 2005 for kernel 2.4.27-2-386 with versioned symbols. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Pardon my intruding into the thread. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 16:26, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: >> On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: >>> Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but >>> different. >> Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? > [...] >> Otherwise I would like to see what kind of OPERATIONAL difference you >> have found: > > There is actually an operational difference. In the about:config page > the setting general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to > "Iceweasel/2.0.0.1". Looks harmless, but it stopped me from logging > on to a website. It would only let me in when I set it to > "Firefox/2.0.0". > > Note: that website lists only Firefox 1.0 on Windows as supported > (among a few other proprietary browsers). But this setting made the > difference between being able to use it and getting a "browser > unsported" page. I can imagine less technical users being at a loss > in a similar situation. No, that's a problem with the web site. Go to Mozilla.org, and you'll see that the current version in 2.0.0.1. http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvTEBS9HxQb37XmcRAiXDAJ4y8T0spbWWg3xUfNLeR4YqDR9qUQCdEsFC VeKBjS+ZK8bLQeb0llFyp3E= =eVGX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NTP dynamic servers?
On Jan 28, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Mike Bird wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 16:49, Bruno Voigt wrote: Hi, I'm running debian/unstable on my laptop and often the LAN/WLAN is not connected (yet) when the system is starting up - including NTPD. NTPD then seems to discard all unreachable server entries and ends up with no peers left. In some googled doc I found the ntp.conf option "dynamic" to tell it that some peers may become available later on, but the debian ntpd doesnt't seem to understand it - or I don't know how to use it correctly. What is the best way to configure the ntpd in such an environment ? Just configure ntpd as normal, but add an hourly cronjob which does "/etc/init.d/ntp restart >/dev/null". A client has a server on PPPOE where ntpd always fails at the outset. Using this, rather than ntpdate, results in the clock staying in sync without stepping. The hwclock is good enough for ntpd after reboot (or DSL outage) until the next time the cronjob runs. --Mike Bird I like that idea. It avoids ntpdate, which (for better or for worse, is deprecated by the NTP developers and will not be getting timely updates in the future) and it gives ntpd a chance to do it's starting transient thing (fairly recently added) and thus get the parameters right if it can talk to the Internet servers. And it does no (serious) harm if you're disconnected from the Internet when the cron runs. Worth a try! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Angelo writes: > It was reiterated by Mozilla that if it doesn't do this, it will lose > some ability to protect its trademarks. IANAL, but somehow it just > doesn't sound right to me. It needn't be right in order to be true. Trademark law is loony. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Router doesn't recognize Debian system
I recently migrated my home server from SPARC Solaris to PPC Debian. The transition was remarkably smooth and I have been humming along for nearly a week. Sometime late Saturday, however, my Debian box "dropped off" as far as my 2wire DSL router is concerned. It no longer shows up as an attached device and as such, the router stopped port forwarding. I could blame the router, but reactivating the SPARC server yielded a postive identification. Re-IPing the Debian system with a different IP address still resulted in the device not showing up. I've swapped cables, switch ports, rebooted, etc. The Debian system can get out through the router fine and the router can ping the Debian, DNS is good, etc. Working on the belief that rpc might be needed to register the device, I look and see that it's running. Nothing in syslog looks suspicious. I'm embarrassed to say I'm out of ideas, but...well, I am. Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
Re: Handing over boot sequence from one drive to another
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:54:46PM +0100, MeneM wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Could anyone tell me how to copy my current debian installation to a
> different external iomega jazz drive, and be able to boot from it in
> case of emergency?
>
> I'm figuring; reading some articles after some merry googling, that I
> need to copy /boot /etc /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /dev and a bit of /usr
> to it and then make it bootable with fdisk right?
>
> Does this mean it also takes with it all the program's / servers I've
> currently installed? Like mysql and bacula?
>
> A restore would then be insanely easy if it ever came to that.
>
> You see I'm trying to go down this route, but I cannot get the jaz drive
> to boot. There's no BIOS option for it. So I have to boot off CD or
> something and then hand the boot process over to the jaz drive. but _how_?
>
> Hoping someone can help me on a. more easily preparing a hard drive with
> files needed for booting, including all the programs currently installed
> and b. handing over the boot sequence from the cd to a SCSI attached drive.
>
> Thanks in advance even if you are only reading this ;-)
>
A pre-requisite to booting the kernel on the jazz drive is that the jazz
drive be bootable. So what __will__ your bios boot?
Some suggestions for testing.
Get the hd-media kernel and initrd.gz from Etch.
Format the whole jazz drive.
Put the hd-media directory on it.
Now set up your boot loader (I use Grub). If you have a floppy and can
boot from it, then get the grub-disk package and make the grub floppy.
Get the grub manual since it will be usefull.
Boot grub and go to the grub command line.
Try to boot the hd-media kernel and initrd using the parameters from the
installation manual.
If this works, then you're home free.
Don't worry about what else to put on the drive until this works.
My guess is that at the end of all this, you'll need the grub-disk to
boot from and have it point to your /boot partition on the jazz drive.
However, you may find that you need something somewhere to hold the
kernel and initrd (and grub) to boot, pointing at your jazz drive for a
root directory (e.g. root={jazz}). I don't have any experience making
bootable CDROMS. If your MB will boot a USB stick you can use that
(just like the USB-stick installer boot).
This also assumes that your kernel has the necessary module built-in or
in the initrd so that it can find the jazz drive (which would otherwise
have the /lib directory with the module for the jazz drive).
Good luck.
Doug.
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Re: Recording audio with Debian - hardware/software suggestions
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 01:38:03PM -0500, KS wrote: > Hi all, > > We are planning to have a setup so that we can record the upcoming talks > (happening every weekend for several weekends at a stretch). The > equipment which is already there comprises of 4 microphones, a mixer > (with 12 inputs I think) and an amplifier for the speakers. > > The following are the questions which come to mind for the hardware: > 1. What kind of processing power do we need? Would a 2.0GHz PIV based > machine be OK? > 2. RAM is 512MB currently. Would it be enough? > 3. What kind of sound card would be a good choice? The ultimate > objective being to archive the audio as mp3/ogg. > 4. Should the audio be captured from the mixer or from the amplifier? > > Software wise: which applications are there which can help in recording > the audio? For splitting/editing the audio I think Audacity is a good > candidate. Are there others of the same kind? > > Anything else we need to consider for the setup? > I've done it on a 486 with 16 MB ram. IOW any computer will do. For speach, any sound card with line in will do. Use an RCA to 1/8" phone patch cable from line in on the sound card to the best line out source (probably the mixer). Adjust the output from the mixer and the input of the soundcard levels (using the soundcard mixer) so that nothing starts clipping or distorting. Once you have it stored as a raw wav file you can do the format conversion to whatever you like. That doesn't have to be done in real-time so again any computer will do. Software wise, take your pick from the debian archive. Many like audacity but there are others. You can even use raw sox. If you get hum, watch for ground loops. Have the computer plugged into the same power source as the mixer as long as the computer doesn't put noise on the power line for the mixer or amp to pick up. If its still a problem you may need to convert to/from balanced line. Further along this line gets into the technical aspects of sound recording and off topic for the list. Enjoy. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A simple question FORK! Something that bugs me about net-installs and security
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 08:08:55AM -0700, Hodgins Family wrote: > > Firewalling routers are $50 and do a reasonably > > good job. > > Any recommendations? > What are you using? Get any old (now 486 or newer) box and install basic debian on it. Add shorewall and you have a totally configurable firewall. Check out FAI and you have an easily restored firewall if something does break. This is often a no-cost option. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but > > different. > > Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? [...] > Otherwise I would like to see what kind of OPERATIONAL difference you > have found: There is actually an operational difference. In the about:config page the setting general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to "Iceweasel/2.0.0.1". Looks harmless, but it stopped me from logging on to a website. It would only let me in when I set it to "Firefox/2.0.0". Note: that website lists only Firefox 1.0 on Windows as supported (among a few other proprietary browsers). But this setting made the difference between being able to use it and getting a "browser unsported" page. I can imagine less technical users being at a loss in a similar situation. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto for setting up an debian home network router
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 16:13, Kristian Lampen wrote: > Hi, > I want to prepare an PC as a DSL-firewall-router for a small > home-network, five PC (some windows, some debian). I have not found a > suitable HOWTO or tutorial for this task. > I use debian since five years, and know something about networking, but > i would like to have the important things for building the DSL-router, > in a compact form. > > Is there someome who can help with finding information about this? If all you need are the routing functions, then buy a consumer router for $50. Much easier that way, and silent: no CPU fan, no power supply fan, no spinning HDD. Did you google for: "linux router howto"? The fist link is specific to Gentoo, but can easily be interpreted into The Debian Way. Another way is to use a floppy disk distro. I used to use floppyfw. It seems to still be maintained, and maybe it can boot from a thumb drive. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvSW+S9HxQb37XmcRAr73AJ0eLRJdLX91/ylvsEBaT3aWFwU3PgCghJrk WZHXBh4l9+xQtG9/zgJvdC8= =myuo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound card problem
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 00:21:36 -0600, anthony givens wrote: > I have a als62m sound card the chip is a als4000 chip I can't configure it > for > sound I try looking in different places (like linuxquestions and other > places )and can't configure my sound card the error message I get is > device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) one do I need to upgrade my > kernel from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6 thank you for your help Can you load the card's driver module? What happens when you try to modprobe snd_als4000 ? If the module cannot be found then maybe you indeed have to upgrade to a newer kernel or at least to a newer version of ALSA. (Unfortunately I do not know at which version of ALSA the als4000 module was added.) -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto for setting up an debian home network router
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 11:13:39PM +0100, Kristian Lampen wrote: > Hi, > I want to prepare an PC as a DSL-firewall-router for a small > home-network, five PC (some windows, some debian). I have not found a > suitable HOWTO or tutorial for this task. > I use debian since five years, and know something about networking, but > i would like to have the important things for building the DSL-router, > in a compact form. > > Is there someome who can help with finding information about this? > assuming you know how to connect to the DSL, then the rest of it is pretty simple. You can probably gleam all you need from the shorewall docs. check them out here http://www.shorewall.net/ and get the packages from the usual places. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: > The choice of words by the OP was unfortunate, to say the least. > But among all his blathering there was the germ of a valid point. > The only potential valid point I saw coming out of it was that maybe "transitional" wasn't the way to go. I don't know what other options there are, can we have a replacement package without using transitional packages? > Debian IMHO should carefully weigh the advantages and > disadvantages of adhering --uncompromisingly-- to the letter of > its doctrine. > I think this problem is about the spirit of the doctrine: using Mozilla-trademarked packages breaks the freedom that people expect from Debian. Yes, the Debian logo itself is a problem in this regard. Personally, this is making me want to go back to Epiphany, but then I'd miss out on all those extensions. > The renaming of the programs certainly did have disadvantages to > users. In the first place (in my experience) it introduced various > problems with customised menus and window managers. > Yeah, I think customized menus has always given me a problem on GNOME. Not so much if I just put my launches on a panel. > Then there are the new names and logos themselves. What is an > "Iceape"? How should this beast be pronounced? Webster's does not > say, nor does the Concise Oxford, because it does not occur there. > The logos are hideous (especially the Iceape one); they seem > designed to frighten users away. My eternal project of converting > "Aunt Tilly" types to Debian has just been set back again. The new > names by themselves also isolate Debian from the rest of the Linux > world (including the Debian clones like Ubuntu, Mepis). Is this a > good thing? I doubt it very much. > What exactly is a "Firefox"? IceApe might be a little bit more confusing to pronounce because of the consecutive vowels, but I'm sure you won't find Firefox in the Oxford dictionary either ;) I think a lot of distros (except probably SuSE and RH) are going to go the way of gnuzilla when there is more development on it. > But the worst result of this unwillingness to "negotiate until the > problem is solved" surely is in the human/psychological field. We > may consider it a given that the relationship between the Mozilla > people and the Debian people has received some serious blows. This > will certainly have a negative influence on the smooth technology > transfer between the two sides. The quality of the Debian versions > of the Mozilla products can only suffer from this. Most likely it > already has. > I think Mozilla has been at least as unwilling to negotiate on the issue of their trademarks as Debian has been on the issue of letting users modify Debian without restrictions. I think that what is happening with gnuzilla is the most appropriate thing to happen. All Debian wanted to do was to make modifications to Firefox, which is open source. But Mozilla has said that those modifications need approval by them in order to make it something called "Firefox"... so what would you advocate? Debian needs to just keep the Firefox package as produced by Mozilla and can't modify it? I can't blame either side really. It was reiterated by Mozilla that if it doesn't do this, it will lose some ability to protect its trademarks. IANAL, but somehow it just doesn't sound right to me. Angelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source for pegasus driver
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 08:50:06 -0800, Peter Easthope wrote: > I am interested to read the source for the Pegasus > USB-Ethernet driver. > > Should I find the files in a Debian site, or in > a Linux kernel site or in a device driver site. You can install the (kernel|linux)-source package corresponding to your currently running kernel; that is probably the easiest way. Then you can have a look at drivers/usb/net/pegasus.c drivers/usb/net/pegasus.h in the kernel source directory (after you unpack the .tar.bz2 archive in /usr/src/). -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
howto for setting up an debian home network router
Hi, I want to prepare an PC as a DSL-firewall-router for a small home-network, five PC (some windows, some debian). I have not found a suitable HOWTO or tutorial for this task. I use debian since five years, and know something about networking, but i would like to have the important things for building the DSL-router, in a compact form. Is there someome who can help with finding information about this? Thank you Kristian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From unstable to Etch
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 18:48:04 +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote: > macondo writes: [...] > I have a couple of partitions and will try an etch install later on, > but I do not want to lose my working sid system... Well I can always > clone it to another partition and try to downgrade it to etch. > > > Before you install from scratch, try this, it worked for me: > > http://bertgarcia.com/2006/10/03/giga-meet-etch > > That's about the way I thought it should work. Why is the pinning needed? A package pin > 1000 tells apt that it is OK to downgrade packages in order to install the pinned version (see the section "How APT Interprets Priorities" from "man apt_preferences"). -- Regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Raid trouble
Thank you for this reply! I'm still learning here, and from what I understand I need to do mdadm --assemble --scan to get the /dev/md[x] to appear in my unstable installation (see my setup in the first post), and then I can safely mount /dev/md2 /mnt/raid cp -a /mnt/raid/anything . umount /mnt/raid But do I have to disassemble raid somehow before I reboot into my etch system? I mean do I have to kinda undo the mdadm command above before I reboot? Yours gratefully, landhaj "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 02:26:01AM -0800, Land Haj wrote: > Hi! > > I decided to try etch out and use raid-1. All went fine until I mounted one > of the raid disks from another debian installation on the same computer, to > copy a library. My set up looks like this: > > sda ---> / in a sid installation > sdb ---> /home in the sid installation > sdc ---> first disk in the raid cluster where the etch installation is > sdd ---> second disk in the raid cluster where the etch installation is > > When on the sid installation, I did this: > > mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt/raid > cp -a /mnt/raid/me/photolibrary /home/anotherme/ > umount /mnt/raid > > When I logged back into my etch+raid installation, I had massive fs errors > and had to do fsck manually. Now my question is: did I cause this simply by > mounting one of the raid partitions, or did I encounter a bug in etch? > > If I casued it on my own, what is the proper way to copy information from a > raid partition when on another installation? > You can't just mount a raid partition and have it work. You have to start the raid first (You can force it to start in degraded mode of you only have one disk of the pair) and then you can mount the /dev/md? wherever you like. What you did was really Not Good (TM) for you RAID partition. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: top post fixer?
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:28:24 -0500 "Steve C. Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Define "most". In all of the email clients I have ever chosen to use not > a single one exhibits the behavior you describe. Pine, elm, mutt, PMMail/2, > PMMail2000, TheBat, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird just to name most. Pretty Agreed. In fact, when I first started using email at work, we had to use Outlook. I was surprised to find that it didn't quote the way I wanted it to, and I had to physically move things around to make the email look they way that I was accustomed to it looking (i.e., bottom-post, or quotes interspersed with new text style), and not the way it looked like by default. It does seem to be unique to Outlook. Curiously, it's not that way on the Microsoft editors, even if Outlook is a Microsoft product. I mean, composing email is in many respects a similar (if maybe a specialized) use of that must basic of computer uses, text editing aka word processing. And if you think of that, you don't normally edit a pre-existing document by typing in new text at the beginning of the document, you start at the point you left off. Would you (on a typewriter) start adding to an existing docueent by positioning the (used) paper at the beginning, and just type? :) > -- > Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your >PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. > ---+- -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sunday 28 January 2007 22:04, Steve Lamb wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges > >> in the microwave? > > > > What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? > > T'hell with the sponges, how does one read CNN, exactly? Thats crossing us over to the Fedora list, where a thread has been running on how to view Fox videos on Firefox. Not only Fox, but CNN, Citicards, and the list goes on. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:47:45 +0100 Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The choice of words by the OP was unfortunate, to say the least. > But among all his blathering there was the germ of a valid point. > > Debian IMHO should carefully weigh the advantages and > disadvantages of adhering --uncompromisingly-- to the letter of > its doctrine. Let's say Debian starts to make compromises. Where do you draw the line? If you make a compromise for this, then why not for some other package(s) with problems? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From unstable to Etch
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 09:04:11PM +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:21:07PM +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote: > > [snipped preamble about downgrading to etch from sid] > >> Or is there more involved? When is the best time to do the switch? > > > > just to say it, as others seem to have answered your questions. The > > best time to do the switch was about 2 months (?) ago before etch went > > into freeze. up 'til that point, etch was tracking along just a few > > days behind sid. If you had switched repositories at that time, and > > then waited a few days, you'd likely have had an etch system by > > natural progression of the packages. > > And if I try it now, will I run into major difficulties, > or is it still worth trying? > well I'm the wrong guy to ask because i always think all things are worth trying... that said, the longer you wait the more difficult it will be (assuming you upgrade regularly). If you're contemplating this with any seriousness, the first thing I'd do is *stop* all regular upgrade procedures to keep from moving farther away from your target. then I'd change the sources list, apt-get update and do a thorough reading of apt-cache policy and see who's potentially getting downgraded. Probably it makes sense to remove any and all packages you can live without until the process is done -- the fewer things you have to downgrade, the fewer the problems. I;d be very concerned about packages changing formats of config files, but that's probably not so prevalent. I think the points are, as you know 1)downgrading is not supported, 2)by the time you've done all this, you're probably better off to have just reinstalled in terms of time and potential frustration. If you need the machine up as much as possible during this process, look at using debootstrap as an installation method, use the old dpkg --get-selections, --set-selections bit to set up the new system within the debootstrap chroot, fix up your bootloader and reboot the thing. Then you can tweak it without, hopefully, too much downtime. .02, grain of salt, ymmv, etc etc A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: XVth Int. Workshop on Numerical Methods for non-Newtonian Flows, June 6-10 Rhodes, Greece
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 13:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 02:41:41AM +0100, IWNMNNF Organizing Committee wrote: [snip] > But what on earth is *non-Newtonian* fluid mechanics, assuming it has to > do with the real world? > > Fluids so heavy that general relativity is needed? Flows in quantum > phase space? ??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid A non-Newtonian fluid is a fluid in which the viscosity changes with the applied strain rate. As a result, non-Newtonian fluids may not have a well-defined viscosity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvQkMS9HxQb37XmcRAgsRAJ9gZrUJ9j5AwKnA8Ax9Gg37dMcPJACeKoQX 2lEGV4E/cd86+MMB+ggzQ7s= =gSmj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LVM on RAID5, lvextend fails
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:45:50PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:18:07PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote: > > On Sunday 28 January 2007 11:37, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > I recently completed a migration of my home fileserver form LVM on two > > > ide disks to LVM on RAID-5 with 4 ide disks. I attempted to extend one > > > of the logical volumes, but it failed with this message: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lvextend -L+25G /dev/mommadisk/video > > > Password: > > > Using stripesize of last segment 4.00 KB > > > Extending logical volume video to 200.00 GB > > > Not enough PVs with free space available for parallel allocation. > > > Consider --alloc anywhere if desperate. > > > > "lvextend --stripes=1 ... " often works in such situations. > > > > that's got it. thanks! and to follow up, that does have it so now htat particular lv shows three stripes. What was the cause of the problem when extending it? It had two stripes, does it try to extend those two stripes in parallel? guess I need to read the docs more on this striping thing. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: USB Flash Memory permissions
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 20:07 +, John Talbut wrote: > Am I right in understanding that you are suggesting I go the the g-v-m source > code, alter that and then recompile it? If so, I have some difficulties: I > only > download the .deb packages so for the moment I do not have the source code, I > think I would not know what I was doing sufficiently well and it seems a bit > of > a sledgehammer to crack a nut! Pretty much yeah. It's not a difficult process, but I understand if you're hesitant to try it if you haven't done it before. As for getting the source, that's not hard (and one of the great benefits of Debian), "apt-get source packagename" will download the source and extract it in the current directory. (You will need the appropriate deb-src lines in sources.list of course) > Looking at the g-v-m binary suggests that what it does with pmount is just to > take the settings it is provided with. I appreciate that there is probably a > workaround possible involving getting g-v-m to ignore some settings. > However, I > would prefer to do it "properly" by locating the setting in the appropriate > configuration file. But, back to my original question, where is it? I could be wrong, but I don't think one exists. Some of the settings are taken from the hal policy for the device in question (for example, if it's a usb stick or not) and the rest, I guess are hard coded in g-v-m. The best work around is probably simply to stick your preferred settings for /dev/myFlash in /etc/fstab and I think those settings will be respected. -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 760BDD22 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 15:06, Steve Lamb wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: >> On Sunday 28 January 2007 07:01, Martin Schulze wrote: >>> Remember the Cola tests? Blindfolded have preferred Pepsi over Coca, >>> with eyes open the result they preferred the Coca variant. > >> Funny. Blindfolded I took the same as I did without the blindfold. Coke >> either way. That was years ago, though. I gave up soft drinks a good >> while ago. > > Come now, we're geeks! I've never taken a blindfolded taste test between > Coke and Pepsi but I know exactly what I would tell them, blindfolded or not. > Get this cola crap outta here and bring me the true lager of geekdom, Mt. > Dew! :P Your Geek Card is officially revoked. /Jolt/ is the official Geek soft drink. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvRIMS9HxQb37XmcRAt9OAJ9ic5RrTWHQxl62h1+oBmOBMsupNQCgqNbT nBKWd0sl+DKTaAoakU5iv2o= =1ElX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 15:04, Steve Lamb wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges >>> in the microwave? > >> What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? > > T'hell with the sponges, how does one read CNN, exactly? Hendrik snipped off the hyperlink when replying. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvRG0S9HxQb37XmcRAklUAKCEe2AtyL1JoYJnab49+coUh9jisQCgnlUr aOrNvw7m+d6/a0ivEMVB5Ec= =p+7y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound card problem
On Sunday 28 January 2007 21:10, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:21:36AM -0600, anthony givens wrote: > > I have a als62m sound card the chip is a als4000 chip I can't configure > > it for sound I try looking in different places (like linuxquestions and > > other places )and can't configure my sound card the error message I get > > is device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) one do I need to > > upgrade my kernel from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6 thank you for your help > > I'm not a DD so take a grain of salt with this. However, as I recall: > > /dev/dsp is part of OSS > > OSS is out and ALSA is in as part of the kernel itself > > ALSA needs a 2.6 kernel. With respect, thats not really true, because I've just rebooted my Etch install to the 2.4.27-2-386 kernel and Alsa works with no problems. Personally I liked the 2.4 kernel, as it has a separate Alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 package, and the Alsa driver was updated more often than the Alsa driver that came with the 2.6 kernel. > > 2.4 Kernel is out and 2.6 is in re moving forward. > > Etch will soon be stable and it has to use 2.6 with udev. > > > Tackle the kernel upgrade first and by itself. > > Ditto udev. > > Install all things Alsa Agreed. The Alsa stuff I have installed is, Alsa-base, Alsa-oss, Alsa-utils, and obviously for the 2.4 .27 kernel, the Alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 package. > > run alsaconf. If Alsaconf picks up your card ok you can see if it's truly there by running. cat /proc/asound/cards Running. cat /proc/asound/version will show you the Alsa driver version. Alsamixer is often initially muted when a card is first setup, so open alsamixer on the CLI as user. Your card appears to be supported, but I don't know what controls you will see on your alsamixer. Mine for the Audigy2 soundblaster shows "Master", "PCM", and "Front", as the main sliders to get some sound out. Also look on alsamixer for controls that are muted. The "M" key toggles the mute/unmute. Apologies for poking my nose in on this thread. Nigel. > > Search these archives (google on site:lists.debian.org alsa 2.6 udev). > > If you still have problems, ask here. > > Personally, I'm running Etch. All I had to do to get sound working was > install the alsa stuff. btw: I can't say it went so easy for me, perhaps because I've also got a usb midi keyboard, and usb on bootup starts early, and messes with the soundcard loading. Alsa was seeing my keyboard as a soundcard, and setting it as card0, and consequently the real soundcard was set as card1, resulting in no sound. It meant setting some index options for the soundcard (snd-emu10k1), and for the usb midi keyboard using (snd-usb-audio). > > Remeber to have full backups, a rescue CD (Etch's install CD works great > for this), and a way to boot the computer before you do the kernel > upgrade. > > Good luck. > > Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 07:01, Martin Schulze wrote: >> Remember the Cola tests? Blindfolded have preferred Pepsi over Coca, >> with eyes open the result they preferred the Coca variant. > Funny. Blindfolded I took the same as I did without the blindfold. Coke > either way. That was years ago, though. I gave up soft drinks a good > while ago. Come now, we're geeks! I've never taken a blindfolded taste test between Coke and Pepsi but I know exactly what I would tell them, blindfolded or not. Get this cola crap outta here and bring me the true lager of geekdom, Mt. Dew! :P -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges >> in the microwave? > What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? T'hell with the sponges, how does one read CNN, exactly? -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
problems with keymap in Xorg
Hello,
I noticed two problems in Xorg:
1. mistake in setxkbmap (or xkb-data ?)
Recently the the following command to set US and CZ keyboard
stopped working:
setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout "us,cz_qwerty" -variant
",bksl" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
The problem is in the -variant, the -print option gives:
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };
xkb_types { include "complete" };
xkb_compat{ include "complete+ledscroll(group_lock)"};
xkb_symbols { include
"pc(pc105)+us+cz(qwerty)(bksl):2+group(alt_shift_toggle)" };
xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc104)" };
};
whereas the corresponding lines in /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
from xkb-data package are:
bkslcz: With <\|> key
qwerty cz: qwerty
qwerty_bksl cz: qwerty, extended Backslash
Therefore, the right output of setxkbmap should to be
xkb_symbols { include
"pc(pc105)+us+cz(qwerty_bksl):2+group(alt_shift_toggle)" };
I can't judge whether this is a problem of xbase-clients (using version
7.1.ds1-2) or xkb-data (0.9-4). Although there is an workaround
(setxkbmap | sed ... | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY), it should be fixed
2. another option to set dual US and CZ keyboard is to introduce it
directly in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Option "XkbKeycodes" "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"
Option "XkbTypes" "complete"
Option "XkbCompat""complete+ledscroll(group_lock)"
Option "XkbSymbols"
"pc(pc104)+us+cz(qwerty_bksl):2+group(alt_shift_toggle)"
Option "XkbGeometry" "pc(pc104)"
but then I realized that it only works once. It means that if one logins
(e.g. in xdm) for the first time, it works well, but after logging
out/in the keyboard cannot be switch to CZ anymore. I have to restart
Xorg (xserver-xorg version 7.1.0-10) to restore the functionality. Can
you tell me where the problem could be ?
Thanks a lot for any hint,
best regards
Tomas
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Re: LVM on RAID5, lvextend fails
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:18:07PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote: > On Sunday 28 January 2007 11:37, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > I recently completed a migration of my home fileserver form LVM on two > > ide disks to LVM on RAID-5 with 4 ide disks. I attempted to extend one > > of the logical volumes, but it failed with this message: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lvextend -L+25G /dev/mommadisk/video > > Password: > > Using stripesize of last segment 4.00 KB > > Extending logical volume video to 200.00 GB > > Not enough PVs with free space available for parallel allocation. > > Consider --alloc anywhere if desperate. > > "lvextend --stripes=1 ... " often works in such situations. > that's got it. thanks! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Netinstall via bridge
On 1/27/07, Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 10:08:39AM -0500, celejar wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I plan to do a netinstall on a new laptop (Acer AS3960). There's
> internal wifi, and I have an Atheros PC card, but I have to assume
> that neither will be supported during installation. Ethernet directly
> into my gateway / router /wireless AP ('molly') is inconvenient
> because of the physical locations of the equipment. My current Debian
> (Sid) machine ('lucy') connects wirelessly to 'molly' via an Atheros
> PCI card supported by Madwifi.
>
> The following two solutions occur to me:
>
> A) Ethernet from the laptop (via crossover or a spare switch) to
> 'lucy' and bridge the wireless and wired interfaces on 'lucy'. IIUC,
> this will put the laptop on the wireless network, enabling it to
> configure itself via dhcp (from the dhcp server on 'molly') and then
> access the internet via 'molly' just like the other machines that are
> directly connected to 'molly'.
>
> B) As 'A', but instead of configuring a bridge, just set up apt-proxy
> or apt-cache on 'lucy.
I would go with B but don't bother with apt-proxy or a bridge. Just
forward through lucy. That crossover cable is its own network and lucy
can ip forward between the two networks. You may wish to run dnsmasq on
lucy so you can point the new box's resolver at it. If you need to, you
can also install ipmasq on lucy so molly thinks everything is coming
from lucy instead of the laptop. You won't need dhcp on the laptop,
just set it up manually.
Doug.
Thanks. I wasn't sure whether or not to use the same address range and
subnet for the laptop if I do it this way. The main network is
192.168.0.0/24. If I use something different (e.g. 10.0.0.0/24) for
the laptop (and wired iface of lucy), then I assume I'd have to
masquerade (NAT) on lucy or else molly won't recognize packets with
the 10.0.0.0 addresses. I suppose you mean I should just use
192.168.0.0/24 addresses on lucy and the laptop and assign them
manually? If so, then as far as I understand it won't really be its
own network. If I'm missing something, feel free to point it out :).
Celejar
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Re: NTP dynamic servers?
On Monday 22 January 2007 16:49, Bruno Voigt wrote: > Hi, > I'm running debian/unstable on my laptop and often the LAN/WLAN is not > connected (yet) > when the system is starting up - including NTPD. > > NTPD then seems to discard all unreachable server entries and ends up > with no peers left. > In some googled doc I found the ntp.conf option "dynamic" to tell it > that some peers may become available later on, > but the debian ntpd doesnt't seem to understand it - or I don't know how > to use it correctly. > > What is the best way to configure the ntpd in such an environment ? Just configure ntpd as normal, but add an hourly cronjob which does "/etc/init.d/ntp restart >/dev/null". A client has a server on PPPOE where ntpd always fails at the outset. Using this, rather than ntpdate, results in the clock staying in sync without stepping. The hwclock is good enough for ntpd after reboot (or DSL outage) until the next time the cronjob runs. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A simple question FORK! Something that bugs me about net-installs and security
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/07 13:32, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Hodgins Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> The Linux geek fave is the Linksys WRT54GL, since it runs Linux and >>> can be upgraded with 3rd-party binaries. It's a wireless access >>> port, but also has 4 RJ45 jacks and has a firewall. US$54 at Newegg. >> Thanks! > > Make sure you buy v4 or below. v5 can't be upgraded (and doesn't run > Linux) I thought that was the difference between the WRT54GL and WRT54G. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFvQh4S9HxQb37XmcRAoUrAJ91FwTnB1GIAEMb17HJ1GPH4pYB2wCg7u1s /DEwa/eiMtkNA20e9cqjOoU= =Fvoi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From unstable to Etch
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:21:07PM +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote: > [snipped preamble about downgrading to etch from sid] >> Or is there more involved? When is the best time to do the switch? > just to say it, as others seem to have answered your questions. The > best time to do the switch was about 2 months (?) ago before etch went > into freeze. up 'til that point, etch was tracking along just a few > days behind sid. If you had switched repositories at that time, and > then waited a few days, you'd likely have had an etch system by > natural progression of the packages. And if I try it now, will I run into major difficulties, or is it still worth trying? Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Flash Memory permissions
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 08:15 +, John Talbut wrote: I do not understand what you mean by "the source for gnome-volume-manager". As I wrote, from what I can find out about g-v-m it gets settings via pmount-hal etc. > >Sven Arvidsson wrote: If I'm not mistaken, g-v-m will call pmount-hal by default, and depending on the device, pmount-hal will mount with different settings. But I also think g-v-m can specify additional settings pmount-hal should use. At least a quick grep through the g-v-m source finds most of the available mount options that can be used with pmount. Am I right in understanding that you are suggesting I go the the g-v-m source code, alter that and then recompile it? If so, I have some difficulties: I only download the .deb packages so for the moment I do not have the source code, I think I would not know what I was doing sufficiently well and it seems a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut! Looking at the g-v-m binary suggests that what it does with pmount is just to take the settings it is provided with. I appreciate that there is probably a workaround possible involving getting g-v-m to ignore some settings. However, I would prefer to do it "properly" by locating the setting in the appropriate configuration file. But, back to my original question, where is it? John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LVM on RAID5, lvextend fails
On Sunday 28 January 2007 11:37, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > I recently completed a migration of my home fileserver form LVM on two > ide disks to LVM on RAID-5 with 4 ide disks. I attempted to extend one > of the logical volumes, but it failed with this message: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lvextend -L+25G /dev/mommadisk/video > Password: > Using stripesize of last segment 4.00 KB > Extending logical volume video to 200.00 GB > Not enough PVs with free space available for parallel allocation. > Consider --alloc anywhere if desperate. "lvextend --stripes=1 ... " often works in such situations. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to catch process that removes files?
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:48:36PM +0200, WireSpot wrote: > I don't mean periodically, more like "random but often". Sometimes > several times a day, sometimes not at all. I know you've said this before, but is it the same files? or the same directory? if it is, in that you can narrow down the scope somewhat, maybe a simple chown root:root, chmod 000 on the appropriate part of the file system will get you some info: if they still disappear, then someone's got root... > > The server is on an intranet, in a mainly Windows network, and cannot > be accessed from the Internet. It holds little interest to anybody > apart from myself. It simply doesn't hold any useful information, so > I'd say that, logically, the possibility that a human is doing this is > remote. how many other users? just because YOU don't think its very interesting doesn't mean others don't. sometimes its just interesting to be able to do it... I know I'm no help here, just trying to point out that you may be eliminating possibilities that maybe shouldn't be eliminated. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: XVth Int. Workshop on Numerical Methods for non-Newtonian Flows, June 6-10 Rhodes, Greece
hendrik writes: > But what on earth is *non-Newtonian* fluid mechanics The mechanics of fluids with strain-rate dependent viscosity. Silly putty, for example. Or oobleck. > Fluids so heavy that general relativity is needed? Flows in quantum > phase space? That would be more interesting, wouldn't it? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound card problem
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:21:36AM -0600, anthony givens wrote: > I have a als62m sound card the chip is a als4000 chip I can't configure it > for > sound I try looking in different places (like linuxquestions and other > places )and can't configure my sound card the error message I get is > device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) one do I need to upgrade my > kernel from 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6 thank you for your help > I'm not a DD so take a grain of salt with this. However, as I recall: /dev/dsp is part of OSS OSS is out and ALSA is in as part of the kernel itself ALSA needs a 2.6 kernel. 2.4 Kernel is out and 2.6 is in re moving forward. Etch will soon be stable and it has to use 2.6 with udev. Tackle the kernel upgrade first and by itself. Ditto udev. Install all things Alsa run alsaconf. Search these archives (google on site:lists.debian.org alsa 2.6 udev). If you still have problems, ask here. Personally, I'm running Etch. All I had to do to get sound working was install the alsa stuff. Remeber to have full backups, a rescue CD (Etch's install CD works great for this), and a way to boot the computer before you do the kernel upgrade. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A simple question FORK! Something that bugs me about net-installs and security
Hodgins Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The Linux geek fave is the Linksys WRT54GL, since it runs Linux and >> can be upgraded with 3rd-party binaries. It's a wireless access >> port, but also has 4 RJ45 jacks and has a firewall. US$54 at Newegg. > > Thanks! Make sure you buy v4 or below. v5 can't be upgraded (and doesn't run Linux) -- John L. Fjellstad web: http://www.fjellstad.org/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NTP dynamic servers?
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:56:02AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > >I used to run chrony (with difficulty) but ran into a problem with my > >new box: it couldn't access the hwclock. If I told it not to, (so > >that > >the hwclock shutdown script could work), it really messed up my time. > >So I switched to ntp. I access the net with ppp and put a script into > >ip-up.d to restart ntp when the link comes up. Yes, ntp will jump > >instead of skew since a skew can take a __very__ long time to > >accomplish. > > > If you're running "etch", you might want to try the etch "ntpdate" > package. It's configured to run ntpdate and jump the clock to the > correct time every time a network interface is brought up. You > should probably not run ntp at the same time -- in this mode, the two > will fight about who controls the system clock. > The ntp docs say that ntpdate will (as they put it, after an appropriate period of mourning) be obsolete now that ntp has the -q option. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
The choice of words by the OP was unfortunate, to say the least. But among all his blathering there was the germ of a valid point. Debian IMHO should carefully weigh the advantages and disadvantages of adhering --uncompromisingly-- to the letter of its doctrine. The renaming of the programs certainly did have disadvantages to users. In the first place (in my experience) it introduced various problems with customised menus and window managers. Then there are the new names and logos themselves. What is an "Iceape"? How should this beast be pronounced? Webster's does not say, nor does the Concise Oxford, because it does not occur there. The logos are hideous (especially the Iceape one); they seem designed to frighten users away. My eternal project of converting "Aunt Tilly" types to Debian has just been set back again. The new names by themselves also isolate Debian from the rest of the Linux world (including the Debian clones like Ubuntu, Mepis). Is this a good thing? I doubt it very much. But the worst result of this unwillingness to "negotiate until the problem is solved" surely is in the human/psychological field. We may consider it a given that the relationship between the Mozilla people and the Debian people has received some serious blows. This will certainly have a negative influence on the smooth technology transfer between the two sides. The quality of the Debian versions of the Mozilla products can only suffer from this. Most likely it already has. All this is due to over-concentration on "legal" hair-splitting rather than quality of code. This is always bad; we have seen this before, with bad results for the packages concerned (dosemu; xcdroast). Some creative and flexible thinking surely could have come up with a compromise, an exception, or some other workable formula (lawyers always can; unfortunately some other lawyers, and amateur lawyers, seem to delight in stoking the fires of conflict). I still hope that there are some cooler heads among the influential circles in Debian that can reverse this disastrous, and IMHO ridiculous stance. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: From unstable to Etch
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:21:07PM +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote: [snipped preamble about downgrading to etch from sid] > > Or is there more involved? When is the best time to do the switch? > just to say it, as others seem to have answered your questions. The best time to do the switch was about 2 months (?) ago before etch went into freeze. up 'til that point, etch was tracking along just a few days behind sid. If you had switched repositories at that time, and then waited a few days, you'd likely have had an etch system by natural progression of the packages. for future reference. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Modem connection dropping Debian Etch
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 12:55:54AM -0500, John Kerr Anderson wrote: > >John Kerr Anderson wrote: > >Hello everyone, > > > >I have a very annoying problem. I am trying to download some new > >programs via aptitude and notice that my modem connection keeps >dropping > >out after 5 - 10 minutes. The connection keeps dropping esp. if I try > >to check a web-page out while it is downloading in aptitude. > > > > > > What exactly do you see in syslog? SIGHUP? > > OK this is some of the output from the syslog. I have phoned my ISP on > several occaisions and they are convinced there is some sort of software > setting causing the modem to break the connection. They are telling me > that the connection is being shut off on my end, as if I told the modem > to disconnect. I tried using the windoze computer and it connects > happily, but the two Debian Etch computers refuse to stay on for more > than a couple minutes if I am lucky > > I have tried different modem strings, disconnecting phones, since at > first I thought it was a problem with the line. Again, any help would > be useful! > > Jan 27 17:17:30 babykerr pppd[14332]: No response to 4 echo-requests > Jan 27 17:17:30 babykerr pppd[14332]: Serial link appears to be > disconnected. > Jan 27 17:17:30 babykerr pppd[14332]: Connect time 3.5 minutes. > Jan 27 17:17:33 babykerr pppd[14332]: Modem hangup > Jan 27 17:17:33 babykerr pppd[14332]: Connection terminated. > Jan 27 17:17:33 babykerr pppd[14332]: Exit. Here's what I see: Connection is established as it should. pppd sends out echo-requests to verify that the link is up. At some point, after 4 tries, it gets no response so it assumes the link is down and hangs up the modem. Check the pppd man page. You can tell it a few things about this: how long to wait between attempts if no reply is received How many tries to make before it drops the link. My guess is the same as what I have (and can hear on the line during normal conversation). You have intermittant noise or breaks on the line. Its not enough for your modem itself to lose the connection, but it can happen at the same time as an echo request goes out. Try increasing the fault-tolerance of pppd (by adding the appropriate options from the pppd man page to the applicable /etc/ppp/peers file. You should be able to tweak pppd to accomodate this. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LVM on RAID5, lvextend fails
Hi list. I recently completed a migration of my home fileserver form LVM on two ide disks to LVM on RAID-5 with 4 ide disks. I attempted to extend one of the logical volumes, but it failed with this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lvextend -L+25G /dev/mommadisk/video Password: Using stripesize of last segment 4.00 KB Extending logical volume video to 200.00 GB Not enough PVs with free space available for parallel allocation. Consider --alloc anywhere if desperate. hmmm... I know there is enough room on the raid disk /dev/md2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo pvdisplay --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/md2 VG Name mommadisk PV Size 431.75 GB / not usable 0 Allocatable yes PE Size (KByte) 4096 Total PE 110527 Free PE 44479 Allocated PE 66048 PV UUID E0BgU0-hnZk-FBEU-JecO-E18l-aEVb-tQQC1O and there is adequate room in the vg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo vgdisplay --- Volume group --- VG Name mommadisk System ID Formatlvm2 Metadata Areas1 Metadata Sequence No 53 VG Access read/write VG Status resizable MAX LV0 Cur LV5 Open LV 5 Max PV0 Cur PV1 Act PV1 VG Size 431.75 GB PE Size 4.00 MB Total PE 110527 Alloc PE / Size 66048 / 258.00 GB Free PE / Size 44479 / 173.75 GB VG UUID i5jXsz-e6PA-wQ64-a355-v8t9-kHSN-fQUeB9 with 173 GB free, it should be no problem to extend the lv. I was able to successfully extend one of the other lv's, but not this one. There must be something I'm not understanding here. okay, one thing I discovered while setting up this email is that some of my raid disks are degraded (probably due to a configuration problem on my end), but would that cause that problem?? currently in the midst of fixing that up. only some 450minutes to go... w. a bit more info below... thanks A [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lvdisplay --- Logical volume --- LV Name/dev/mommadisk/photos VG Namemommadisk LV UUIDmbRu4g-7INj-OC1W-5H2v-L44p-vfTh-uvqOXE LV Write Accessread/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size20.00 GB Current LE 5120 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:0 --- Logical volume --- LV Name/dev/mommadisk/video VG Namemommadisk LV UUIDnLX2o2-7Fv9-e42F-uIkS-EeS9-oMmc-L6595A LV Write Accessread/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size175.00 GB Current LE 44800 Segments 2 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:1 --- Logical volume --- LV Name/dev/mommadisk/backup VG Namemommadisk LV UUIDK05AuM-fUFI-726w-ymz0-cHZd-V3vZ-HlsWRz LV Write Accessread/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size9.00 GB Current LE 2304 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:2 --- Logical volume --- LV Name/dev/mommadisk/mailboxes VG Namemommadisk LV UUIDoMggZ9-KBBV-nXi4-7UlV-KsZt-cgVH-gBkj9X LV Write Accessread/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size3.00 GB Current LE 768 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:3 --- Logical volume --- LV Name/dev/mommadisk/music VG Namemommadisk LV UUIDpPQTfZ-4FoL-qU3m-gKqf-gVWU-pXiL-1pkA3w LV Write Accessread/write LV Status available # open 1 LV Size51.00 GB Current LE 13056 Segments 1 Allocation inherit Read ahead sectors 0 Block device 253:4 Every 2.0s: cat /proc/mdstatSun Jan 28 11:36:53 2007 Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid1] [raid0] md2 : active raid5 hda6[4] hdc6[0] hdg6[2] hde6[1] 452719296 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_] [>] recovery = 0.5% (837596/150906432) finish=484.1m in speed=5162K/sec md10 : active raid0 md11[0] md12[1] 497664 blocks 64k chunks md12 : active raid1 hde2[0] hdg2[1] 248896 blocks [2/2] [UU] md11 : active raid1 hda2[0] hdc2[1]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, 2007-01-28 at 14:02 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:44:05AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Saturday 27 January 2007 00:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > (Teenagers do not have an unalienable right to do have > > > Myspace pages > > > > Personally, I'm fine with letting teens on MySpace and similar > > wastelands. Let them have places like that so they're busy enough to > > not care about the rest of the net. > > > > > and click on every "free nude girlz" link they see.) > > > > How else are they going to fill up their 300GB hard drives if they can't > > download nudie pics? > > by reading usenet group alt.sex.pictures.nospam. I have a 4.4TB Raid5 array: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h /stor FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on duke:/stor4.4T 4.2T 232G 95% /stor That is my array on my server machine. Locally my array isn't quite that big: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ df -h /usr/local/ FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/miscVG-localLV 749G 553G 197G 74% /usr/local My 4.4TB array, I have XBOX games for my 1st gen modchipped XBOX. Ripped DVDs (my own DVDs), with mainly music on my local machine. Not a lick of pr0n on any of that disk space. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: XVth Int. Workshop on Numerical Methods for non-Newtonian Flows, June 6-10 Rhodes, Greece
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 02:41:41AM +0100, IWNMNNF Organizing Committee wrote: > XVth International Workshop on Numerical Methods for non-Newtonian Flows - > IWNMNNF 2007 > > Dear Colleague! > > The objective of IWNMNNF-2007, June 6-10, 2007, Rhodes, Greece > is to bring together researchers at the forefront of computational > and experimental non-Newtonian fluid mechanics and rheology to > discuss challenges, recent progress and future directions in modeling > and simulation of non-Newtonian flows. Never mind what this has to do with Debian; I'm sure *some* debian users are interested in fluid mechanics. But what on earth is *non-Newtonian* fluid mechanics, assuming it has to do with the real world? Fluids so heavy that general relativity is needed? Flows in quantum phase space? ??? -- hendrik > > __ > > Registration deadline:Feb 27th, 2007 > > Conference Site: http://www.complexfluids.ethz.ch/IWNMNNF2007 > __ > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:44:05AM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Saturday 27 January 2007 00:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > (Teenagers do not have an unalienable right to do have > > Myspace pages > > Personally, I'm fine with letting teens on MySpace and similar > wastelands. Let them have places like that so they're busy enough to > not care about the rest of the net. > > > and click on every "free nude girlz" link they see.) > > How else are they going to fill up their 300GB hard drives if they can't > download nudie pics? by reading usenet group alt.sex.pictures.nospam. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 09:07:44AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/28/07 08:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:18:19PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Like the people who read the CNN article about sterilizing sponges > >> in the microwave? > > > > What about sterilizing sponges in the microwave? > > You must not read /.. I do, occasionally. > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/24/germs.sponges.reut/index.html Thanks. I knew about the microwave trick from a few months ago when my wife used it. But I never dreamed of using it dry -- too much like microwaving and empty plate. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recording audio with Debian - hardware/software suggestions
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 01:38:03PM -0500, KS wrote: > Hi all, > > We are planning to have a setup so that we can record the upcoming talks > (happening every weekend for several weekends at a stretch). The > equipment which is already there comprises of 4 microphones, a mixer > (with 12 inputs I think) and an amplifier for the speakers. > I record all the sermons preached at my church onto my laptop. I just your the standard (3/16" I think) audio line in using a Y-cable that has two RCA plugs on one side and the small composite plug on the other. The RCA plugs just plug into some line out ports on the church sound board. > The following are the questions which come to mind for the hardware: > 1. What kind of processing power do we need? Would a 2.0GHz PIV based > machine be OK? I used a PIII-700 for a couple of years (recently replaced with a macbook). > 2. RAM is 512MB currently. Would it be enough? Plenty. I did it with only 256MB and my current machine has 512MB. > 3. What kind of sound card would be a good choice? The ultimate > objective being to archive the audio as mp3/ogg. I had a Toshiba Satellite 2805-S401, which had some kind of sound card that used the ymfpci, IIRC, driver. The quality was fine since it was mostly speech. The chior's singing could have come out better, but much of that had to do with the church's old sound system. > 4. Should the audio be captured from the mixer or from the amplifier? I always record at the output from the sound board. > > Software wise: which applications are there which can help in recording > the audio? For splitting/editing the audio I think Audacity is a good > candidate. Are there others of the same kind? > I use Audacity for everthing. I record, export to WAV for burning to CD and then convert the WAV to OGG for upload to the WWW. I don't use Audacity's built in OGG export since doesn't give me sufficient control over the export quality (I am willing to sacrifice quality for smaller files that people on dialup can download). I certainly don't use MP3 since they are huge (up to 40%) larger than a comparable OGG file. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
