Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Steve Lamb wrote:
[snip]
> To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versioning that
> worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OOo,
> Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replacement.

You are aware that this mail of yours is the first and only one in the
whole thread that ever mentioned "Freemind" or "Storylines"? You never
stated that these were your requirements.

> Of course in writing this explanation for you I do find it mildly amusing
> that lots of people seemed to have latched onto versioning as an absolute
> requirement, feel obligated to change one of the tools I am using to fit that
> perception yet have not offered up any replacement tools for Freemind or
> Storylines.  ;)

I find it very amusing, that you find it amusing that other people can't
read your mind. It amazing how efficient technology is nowadays in
carrying your ideas quickly over the Atlantic; all you have to do is
this: type them into an e-mail. Don't expect that they float without
this little effort. ;-)

Johannes


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Re: htsearch problem after Sarge->Etch system upgrade

[Alexander Schäfer]

Mumia W.. schrieb:

On 09/26/2007 10:54 AM, Alexander Schäfer wrote:

Hello,

we've upgraded our company's web-server (runnun with apache2) from 
3.1 to 4.0. All is working well after upgrade, but not the "htsearch" 
function, which is used for the product search on our web-site. The 
error message in the Apache-Log is the like:

***
[Wed Sep 26 16:49:35 2007] [error] [client 10.10.0.102] 
/srv/cgi-bin/htsearch: error while loading shared libraries: 
libdb2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory, referer: 
http://10.10.154.177/COM/search.php?SearchText=df&Typensuche2=Search

***
htsearch is a cgi-script which is installed with the Debian packet 
"htdig". htdig is also available in the "etch" distribution. But why 
we do have this unsolved dependency: libdb2.so.2 ? Due to Debian 
repository: libdb2 is not available for "etch" anymore.


What can i do, to get the htsearch running on the "etch"-server?

Thanks for your suggestions
Alex




Purge htdig and install htdig version 1:3.2.0b6-3.1. An excursion into 
aptitude reveals to me that libdb2 has been removed from Debian, and 
the version of htdig for Etch no longer requires it.





The htdig package-version installed is already 1:3-2ob6-3.1.


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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Acknowledging the other person's position and cluing them in that the
> advice is for the broader audience of the list means the OP can clearly see it
> isn't directly solely at them and let it slide.  Otherwise the perception is
> that it *IS* directed at them which changes the tone of the post.

Please stop trying to judge the 'tone' of my mails. I'm not a native
speaker. You repeatedly complained directly and indirectly about the
tone of my (and maybe others) 'speak'. Please read them with a grain of
salt and don't take them as personal as you appear to take them.

Thanks,
Johannes

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Re: Tool for document management

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:31:32 -0400, Douglas A Tutty
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:  

> Here's my personal letter template.  I copy it to the correct file
> name, edit it, then latex it.  The letter text itself is just plain
> text.


> \documentclass[letterpaper,12pt]{article}
> %preamble here
> \begin{document}
> % no page number on this first page
> \thispagestyle{empty} \begin{flushleft} Douglas A. Tutty\\ xxx
> x, RR. x\\ xx, ON xxx xxx\\ Ph: (xxx) xxx--\\ Email:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] \end{flushleft}

> \noindent \today

> \bigskip

> \noindent Dear:

> \bigskip

> \begin{flushleft} Yours truly,

> \vspace{2cm}

> Douglas A. Tutty.  \end{flushleft}

> \end{document}

--8<---cut hereletter_template->8---

\documentclass[12pt]{letter}
\usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}
\usepackage{times}
\pagestyle{empty}
\usepackage[margin=1in, head=0.25in, headsep=0.25in, nofoot]{geometry}
\setlength{\topmargin}{0pt}
\setlength{\oddsidemargin}{0pt}
\setlength{\headheight}{0pt}
\setlength{\headsep}{0pt}
\setlength{\footskip}{5pt}
\setlength{\textheight}{9.0in}
\setlength{\textwidth}{6.5in}

\address{Manoj Srivastava\\
229 Brandon Lane\\
Woodbury, TN 37190}

\signature{Manoj Srivastava}


\makelabels{}

\begin{document}

\letter{Some one\\
P.O. Box 2210\\
Sometown USA, 0-}

\opening{Dear Sir}

Blah Blah blah.

\closing{Yours Sincerely,}
\ps{post scriptum}
\encl{some thing or the other}

\end{document}

--8<---cut here---end--->8---

--8<---cut here-envelopestart->8---

% TeX Template for an envelope
% 
% To use:
%
% Copy into a new file, replace all
% [BRACKETED UPPER-CASE TEXT]
% with your own, then run the tex command on it.
% Use dvips to print the .dvi output in landscape mode:
% dvips -t landscape envelope.dvi 

\font\cmssa = cmss12
\font\cmssc = cmss14
%\special{papersize=9.5in,3.25in}
%\special{landscape}
\parindent 0 pt\nopagenumbers\parskip 10 pt
\hsize 9.5 in\vsize 3.25 in
\voffset 1.25 in
\cmssa

Manoj Srivastava

229 Brandon Lane

Woodbury, TM 37190

\vskip .5 in\vskip 15 pt\parindent 3.5 in 
\font\addressrm=cmss16 scaled\magstep2
\addressrm

document

P.O. Box 2210

Sometown USA, 0-

\end

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manoj
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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> If there is a problem than this: you don't just take the advice, you
>> claim that the advice is *unsuitable* to your problem, which it is not.
> 
> Johannes, who are you to judge the suitability of any particular tool to
> *my problem*.  

Steve, I never claimed that any particular tool is the perfect tool for
*you*. I just claimed that this and that are the advantages of
particular tools and that these tools meet this and that requirement of
yours. You claimed that I am wrong and that your requirements can't be
met by latex tools.

>   Part of that problem is me, my work habits, my perceptions and
> desires and value judgements of different systems.  How can you honestly say
> that I am wrong in my work habits, in my perceptions, desires and value
> judgements?  That's the problem.  

I never claimed that. I claimed that certain tasks, IMHO, can be
achieved more efficiently with latex tools. You said: no, in my case
not, because this and that won't work or won't work like I want it. I
tried to explain to you that latex tools are flexible enough to work the
way you might want them to work. Your claims 'this and that don't work
with latex' were wrong. That's all.

>  I have not said that LaTeX is unsuitable for
> the problem.  I have said it is not suitable for *me*.  Only *I* can judge
> that, not you or any one else.

Agreed. Take your decision, use the tool *you* like. But don't make
wrong claims about the limitations of other tools.

I was just trying to help you, I am sorry that this effort was irritable.

Johannes

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Re: bash, xbindkeys and dual screen

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 10:00 PM, Nguyen, Cuong K. wrote:

Hi all,

I have a problem - basically with some bash codes. I have dual screen 
and one mouse, and I want to switch my mouse back and forth from screen 
1 to screen 2 etc by pressing a keyboard. In order to do that, I did the 
following:


1. install switchscreen, then by typing "switchscreen 0" or 
"switchscreen 1" will switch me to Desktop 0 or 1.


2. typing "switchscreen 0" or 1 is annoying, then I create a script 
/bin/switchnow like below:


#!/bin/bash

case $DISPLAY in
 :0.0 ) exec switchscreen 1
 ;;
 :0.1 ) exec switchscreen 0
esac

and make it executable, then now by typing just switchnow on terminal, I 
will move back and forth from Desktop 0 and 1. Obviously it works :)


3. I install xbindkeys, find the corresponding key and create 
~/.xbindkeysrc as follow


# shortcut 2
"switchnow"
m:0x0 + c:118


Okey, everything seems to be done now. I press the key, and from Desktop 
0, I am switched to Desktop 1. But when I press the same key again, 
nothing happens. :(


It *seems* that when xbindkeys works and executes switchnow, the value 
of DISPLAY is kept unchanged to be :0.0. But in desktop 1, open terminal 
and when I type "echo $DISPLAY" then I get :0.1. I guess I wrote the 
script incorrectly, or did I miss something here?


I do not know programming, and do not know bash either. So please do not 
blame me if I am too noob to bash :D.


Thanks a million,

KC.




You're probably right that the DISPLAY is always :0.0. You need another 
way to toggle between 0 and 1. Try this:


#!/bin/bash
swfile=/tmp/sw-file
if [ ! -f $swfile ]; then echo 0 > $swfile ; fi
echo $(( ! `cat $swfile` )) > $swfile
echo exec switchscreen `cat $swfile`

Note that I just echo-ed the command because I don't have switchscreen 
installed. The $(( ... )) syntax allows you to evaluate mathematical 
expressions. Read "man bash"


HTH



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Re: kérdés

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 06:47:09AM +0200, szélpál ági wrote:
> A gépem amd sempron 2200+, 256 mb ram, 80 gb hdd, 64 mb video ram dvd író,
> hangkártya. Milyeb debian linuxot javasoltok telapíteni? Hogyan kell és mit
> kell hozzá letölteni?  Eddig xp-m volt. Válaszotokat előre is köszönöm
> 

I'm very sorry, I don't speak Hungarian. My uneducated guess is that you 
are asking whether the specifications of your computer (Sempron 2200, 
256M RAM, 80GB disk) will allow you to run Debian :)

Those specifications will certainly run Debian with not too many 
problems, though you may want more memory in time if you use a graphics 
intensive desktop environment.

Debian user is an English language mailing list - I'm sorry, I'm not 
sure whether there is a specific Hungarian language mailing list for 
Debian users in Hungary.

Andy

DSL setup under Debian ETCH

[Khurram Pirzada]

Thanks,

Its ZTE DSL ethernet modem, model ZXDSL 831D, and its PPPoE setup. Actually its 
my
first time ever to try to setup DSL under ANY Linux.



Thanks
Khurram


  

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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/27/07 00:07, Oleg Verych wrote:
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> 
> As for "flower" think of it, as synonym to "develop".

Flower, bloom, mature, grow, develop.  That makes sense, I guess.

I'm sure that flower/develop is a perfectly understood metaphor in
Cz, but it just doesn't work in the US and probably Britain.

Of course, you're in Cz, so it doesn't really matter what we think.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/26/07 21:47, Charlie wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
>> --} On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote:
>> --} > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
>> --} > >--} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to
>> latest-etch. --} > >--} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0.
>> ?Since so much --} > >--} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems;
>> I don't know. --} > >--}
>> --} >
>> --} > I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD
>> since the --} > above change and have found no breakages. Update and then
>> upgrade have worked --} > a treat. Just watch the prompts.
>> --} >
>> --}
>> --} You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to
>> --} Etch-r1.  I should hope that works.  I was commenting on upgrading
>> --} straight from Sarge to Etch-r1.
>> --}
>> --} Doug.
> 
> Apologies sorry in fact I read it as:- "Since so much changed between r0 and 
> r1, there may be problems; I don't know." Thinking that was a sentence in its 
> own right.

If /home is on a separate partition, I'd install Ubuntu from
scratch.  She's a User, and it's user-oriented distro.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

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On 09/26/07 21:32, s. keeling wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  You need a more compliant girlfriend.  Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot
> 
> wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading?  You do not point at
> wikipedia articles citing toons.  Geez.

What better way to supply context to those (like you) who wouldn't
get the Lucy Liu-bot reference?

No, really, I'm seriously asking.

> It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read?  Ick.

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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Oleg Verych]

27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
> Oleg Verych wrote:
>> 27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
>>   
>>> Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
>>> sent it this morning.
>>> 
>>
>> Oh, man, are you serious?
>>
>> First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
>> Because this is a noise, not information.
>>   
> No one /is /interested in your /previous /email sending failures, right.
>
> I just thought I would fix that for you since you seem to be a graduate 
> of the Sum Dum Dik school of English.

I didn't run `ispell`, maybe for purpose. I didn't reread e-mail twice,
as i usually do. Think about such behavior as about mirror.

Thanks for small article about articles. But i didn't care much up till
now, and i won't after, sorry.

As for "flower" think of it, as synonym to "develop".

Thanks.




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kérdés

[szélpál ági]

A gépem amd sempron 2200+, 256 mb ram, 80 gb hdd, 64 mb video ram dvd író,
hangkártya. Milyeb debian linuxot javasoltok telapíteni? Hogyan kell és mit
kell hozzá letölteni?  Eddig xp-m volt. Válaszotokat előre is köszönöm

Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 08:08 PM, s. keeling wrote:

[ method of invoking xmodmap snipped ]
in my ~/.xinitrc (I'm a southpaw, btw).




Thanks.


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Re: DSL setup under Debian ETCH

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 07:29:40AM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:51:58PM -0700, Khurram Pirzada wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have just installed Debian ETCH under GNOME mode (and NOT KDE). I have 
> > 256kbps DSL
> > connection which works fine on same machine under XP. Now I want to be able 
> > to use
> > it under ETCH. [XP is installed on 40GB(master) and ETCH is installed on
> > 60GB(slave)]
> > 
> > Can someone please guide me through the process. As a tip off, I am given IP
> > address, default gateway, NO DNS, my home numer is my user name and a 
> > password.
> 
> How is the DSL modem connected to your computer (ethernet, USB, ...). Is 
> that a PPPoA or PPPoE connection? If you don't know what I'm talking 
> about maybe you could describe what you did under Windows to make it 
> work.
It also maybe useful to tell us what model of modem you have. And if you
have ever configured an ethernet connection on Debian. Most of the
configure is done in the /etc/network/interface file. 'man interfaces'
would give you some help. Also, 'lspci' would help us to know what
ethernet card you have.
-K
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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 12:11:54AM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> Oleg Verych wrote:
>> 27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
>>   
>>> Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
>>> sent it this morning.
>>> 
>>
>> Oh, man, are you serious?
>>
>> First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
>> Because this is a noise, not information.
>>   
> No one /is /interested in your /previous /email sending failures, right.
>
> I just thought I would fix that for you since you seem to be a graduate of 
> the Sum Dum Dik school of English.
>
> I'm truly sorry. That was a bit harsh. Perhaps some mothers can not afford 
> a proper tutor of English Perhaps she was working long hours for low wage, 
> doing her best I am sure, at some Czechoslovakian sailor wanna hump-hump 
> bar?
>
Please refrain from your attacks. 'Be nice to folks' is a general rule.
Insulting folks about background, sexual orientation, or language IN ONE
POST is beyond the pale. While folks here ocasssionaly make slight
taunts or comments at one another, it is expected that newcomers refrain
from this behavior for a while until you become familar with the norms
on this list. Also, if you want volunteers help, especially on an
(off-topic) OT issue like getting a c program to compile on Debian, you
should be sugar sweet, not nitric acid. ´on-topic' would normally be
'installing debian packages','upgrading distros', 'apt/dpkg/aptitude
problems','video card or network issue'. Someone compiling a usb
datalogging device program is usually someone who knows something about
Gnu/Linux, software compiling and hardware hacking. If you do not, then
you need someones help, that would be the nice volunteers here. we get
zero dollars for helping you, the least we expect is kindness.
cheers,
Kev
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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[David Fox]

Ralph wrote:


> Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user.  If it were me, I'd copy the
> contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only

Well, I remember doing something similar at a previous job. I was
doing quite a bit of Excel spreadsheets there, and over time this
spreadsheet I was using got a bit on the complex side, and would bring
the workstation I was using to its knees, with disk I/O going on
constantly. (The machine just was too underpowered, only had a 128 meg
of RAM etc.)

What I ended up doing was to get a copy of staroffice (this was back
in 2000) then copy the spreadsheet over to that, and then reload it
into Excel. That helped quite a bit, since I apparently had quite a
number of otherwise "unused" cell areas that still got moved in and
out of system RAM while I was working on the main sheet.



> Ralph


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Re: DSL setup under Debian ETCH

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:51:58PM -0700, Khurram Pirzada wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just installed Debian ETCH under GNOME mode (and NOT KDE). I have 
> 256kbps DSL
> connection which works fine on same machine under XP. Now I want to be able 
> to use
> it under ETCH. [XP is installed on 40GB(master) and ETCH is installed on
> 60GB(slave)]
> 
> Can someone please guide me through the process. As a tip off, I am given IP
> address, default gateway, NO DNS, my home numer is my user name and a 
> password.

How is the DSL modem connected to your computer (ethernet, USB, ...). Is 
that a PPPoA or PPPoE connection? If you don't know what I'm talking 
about maybe you could describe what you did under Windows to make it 
work.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Nick Lidakis]

Oleg Verych wrote:

27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
  
Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
sent it this morning.



Oh, man, are you serious?

First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
Because this is a noise, not information.
  

No one /is /interested in your /previous /email sending failures, right.

I just thought I would fix that for you since you seem to be a graduate 
of the Sum Dum Dik school of English.


I'm truly sorry. That was a bit harsh. Perhaps some mothers can not 
afford a proper tutor of English Perhaps she was working long hours for 
low wage, doing her best I am sure, at some Czechoslovakian sailor wanna 
hump-hump bar?


No worries. You are forgiven.



I am need of some help with a USB device under Debian; trying last night
multiple times to no avail.



Second. Debian is a software distribution. What system are using is
possible to see, after `uname -a`:

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ uname -a
Linux flower 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
#v-

See Linux? That means, that a guy, talking to your hardware is Linux, not
Hurd or FreeBSD, alright.
  
You think I would take advice from someone who named their Debian box 
/flower/? Pffft...


  

I have a Dallas Semiconductor Thermochron temperature data logger that I
am trying to set. The data logger (DS1921G-F5) is attached to a USB
bridge (DS1921G-F5). I downloaded their linux utilities which consist of
two simple C programs: One to set a "mission"  and the other to download
the datat logged:

thermo21.c  thermo21.h  thermodl.c  thermoms.c

The readme states:



Stop. If this info is available on-line, please give an URL. If this is
closed NDA stuff, and you are newbie driver programmer, then you'd better
  
I said it was a readme that was enclosed with the simple C programs 
enclosed.


And your sentence should have been /a URL.

/ Here's a little guide for you sweet cheeks:


   "Remember, using a or an depends on the sound that begins the
   next word. So...

   * a + singular noun beginning with a consonant: /a boy; a car; a
 bike; a zoo; a dog/
   * an + singular noun beginning with a vowel: /an elephant; an egg;
 an apple; an idiot; an orphan/
   * a + singular noun beginning with a consonant sound: a user (sounds
 like 'yoo-zer,' i.e. begins with a consonant 'y' sound, so 'a' is
 used); a university; a unicycle

If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an 
depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immediately follows 
the article:


   * a broken egg
   * an unusual problem
   * a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with
 consonant 'y' sound)"






keep it away. :)
  

I'll just keep you away?

  

/These utilities are used to download (thermodl) and
mission (thermoms) a DS1921G Thermochron iButton.  The
DS1921Z/DS1921H are not supported with this application.

THERMODL:

usage: thermodl 1wire_net_name  
  - Thermochron download on the 1-Wire Net port
  - 1-wire_net_port required port name
example: "COM1" (Win32 DS2480B),"/dev/cua0"
(Linux DS2480B),"1" (Win32 TMEX)



Seem, like very old doc. I've just prepared a snip from current doc,
which, you can find in the upload directory of my server:
  

/Seems like a very old doc.  /There is no comma required.



#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ grep -m7 -B7 -A12 cua 
serial-devices.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ chmod o+r serial-devices.txt
#v-

  


Again, that flower thing just makes me laugh. Are /you/ serious? Why not 
just be more descriptive and call the box pansy? Perhaps change your 
user name to fancy pants?




  -  optional output filename
  -  optional Fahrenheit mode (default Celsius)
  - version 1.03

Required on the command line is the 1-Wire port name:

example:  "COM1"(Win32 DS2480B)
  "/dev/cua0"   (Linux DS2480B)



OK. The main idea, that they are using standard serial port (rs232)
interface for communication here.

  

  "1"   (Win32 TMEX)
  "\\.\DS2490-1"(Win32 USB DS2490)
  "{1,5}"   (Win32 DS2480B multi build)
  "{1,6}"   (Win32 USB DS2490 multi build)
  "{1,2}"   (Win32 DS1410E multi build)



And unknown Windows magic here.

  

/When the device is plugged in dmesg shows:

usb 1-10: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6
PM: Adding info for usb:1-10
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep00
usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
PM: Adding info for usb:1-10:1.0
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep81
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep02
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep83



Is that all? His *is* the actual information. But there's no hint, that
you've cut it too late or too early. So, more output is needed.
  


Still trying to decipher that... Whatever that is.

  

In /d

DSL setup under Debian ETCH

[Khurram Pirzada]

Hi all,

I have just installed Debian ETCH under GNOME mode (and NOT KDE). I have 
256kbps DSL
connection which works fine on same machine under XP. Now I want to be able to 
use
it under ETCH. [XP is installed on 40GB(master) and ETCH is installed on
60GB(slave)]

Can someone please guide me through the process. As a tip off, I am given IP
address, default gateway, NO DNS, my home numer is my user name and a password.

I would really appreciate if somebody can detailed explain to me.

Thanks once again.

Khurram


   

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Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 07:50:06PM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:

> I think trimming means keeping sideburns at an acceptably trimmed level 
> until lamb chops are back in style, for males. Females shall keep their 
> runways appropriately devoid of any shoulder dandelion weeds.

If that's a joke I don't get it ...

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Logan Five]

Logan Five  pobox.com> writes:



Ok, I found it.  Someone writing me directly in email pointed me to the right
place. I had a setting in rc.local that set the static IP.  Now I remember
getting a tip to do that on a web posting somewhere. But I think it was a
generic tip and not one geared directly towards Debian so probably not the best
way to go about it.  Everything works great now!


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Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-)

Ah, ya puss!  Burn a backup CD and do it.  Think of all those doors
opening up for you.  You can try anything!  =[8]-)


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Re: Debian may lose a user

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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:50:47AM +0200, s. keeling wrote:
> s/Jones/West/g
> 
> You gotta change your name to Steve.

Steve Sackville-Jones??

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Re: Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Logan Five]

Mumia W..  earthlink.net> writes:


> 
> Please post /etc/network/interfaces
> 
> 

I did above in response to somebody else.



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bash, xbindkeys and dual screen

[Nguyen, Cuong K.]

Hi all,

I have a problem - basically with some bash codes. I have dual screen 
and one mouse, and I want to switch my mouse back and forth from screen 
1 to screen 2 etc by pressing a keyboard. In order to do that, I did the 
following:


1. install switchscreen, then by typing "switchscreen 0" or 
"switchscreen 1" will switch me to Desktop 0 or 1.


2. typing "switchscreen 0" or 1 is annoying, then I create a script 
/bin/switchnow like below:


#!/bin/bash

case $DISPLAY in
 :0.0 ) exec switchscreen 1
 ;;
 :0.1 ) exec switchscreen 0
esac

and make it executable, then now by typing just switchnow on terminal, I 
will move back and forth from Desktop 0 and 1. Obviously it works :)


3. I install xbindkeys, find the corresponding key and create 
~/.xbindkeysrc as follow


# shortcut 2
"switchnow"
m:0x0 + c:118


Okey, everything seems to be done now. I press the key, and from Desktop 
0, I am switched to Desktop 1. But when I press the same key again, 
nothing happens. :(


It *seems* that when xbindkeys works and executes switchnow, the value 
of DISPLAY is kept unchanged to be :0.0. But in desktop 1, open terminal 
and when I type "echo $DISPLAY" then I get :0.1. I guess I wrote the 
script incorrectly, or did I miss something here?


I do not know programming, and do not know bash either. So please do not 
blame me if I am too noob to bash :D.


Thanks a million,

KC.


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Re: Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Oleg Verych]

27-09-2007, Nick Lidakis:
> Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
> sent it this morning.

Oh, man, are you serious?

First. No one interested in you prev. email sending failures, right.
Because this is a noise, not information.

> I am need of some help with a USB device under Debian; trying last night
> multiple times to no avail.

Second. Debian is a software distribution. What system are using is
possible to see, after `uname -a`:

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ uname -a
Linux flower 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
#v-

See Linux? That means, that a guy, talking to your hardware is Linux, not
Hurd or FreeBSD, alright.

> I have a Dallas Semiconductor Thermochron temperature data logger that I
> am trying to set. The data logger (DS1921G-F5) is attached to a USB
> bridge (DS1921G-F5). I downloaded their linux utilities which consist of
> two simple C programs: One to set a "mission"  and the other to download
> the datat logged:
>
> thermo21.c  thermo21.h  thermodl.c  thermoms.c
>
> The readme states:

Stop. If this info is available on-line, please give an URL. If this is
closed NDA stuff, and you are newbie driver programmer, then you'd better
keep it away. :)

> /These utilities are used to download (thermodl) and
> mission (thermoms) a DS1921G Thermochron iButton.  The
> DS1921Z/DS1921H are not supported with this application.
>
> THERMODL:
>
> usage: thermodl 1wire_net_name  
>   - Thermochron download on the 1-Wire Net port
>   - 1-wire_net_port required port name
> example: "COM1" (Win32 DS2480B),"/dev/cua0"
> (Linux DS2480B),"1" (Win32 TMEX)

Seem, like very old doc. I've just prepared a snip from current doc,
which, you can find in the upload directory of my server:

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ grep -m7 -B7 -A12 cua 
serial-devices.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ chmod o+r serial-devices.txt
#v-

>   -  optional output filename
>   -  optional Fahrenheit mode (default Celsius)
>   - version 1.03
>
> Required on the command line is the 1-Wire port name:
>
> example:  "COM1"(Win32 DS2480B)
>   "/dev/cua0"   (Linux DS2480B)

OK. The main idea, that they are using standard serial port (rs232)
interface for communication here.

>   "1"   (Win32 TMEX)
>   "\\.\DS2490-1"(Win32 USB DS2490)
>   "{1,5}"   (Win32 DS2480B multi build)
>   "{1,6}"   (Win32 USB DS2490 multi build)
>   "{1,2}"   (Win32 DS1410E multi build)

And unknown Windows magic here.

> /When the device is plugged in dmesg shows:
>
> usb 1-10: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6
> PM: Adding info for usb:1-10
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep00
> usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> PM: Adding info for usb:1-10:1.0
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep81
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep02
> PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep83

Is that all? His *is* the actual information. But there's no hint, that
you've cut it too late or too early. So, more output is needed.

> In /dev I have:
>
> usbdev1.1_ep81
> usbdev1.6_ep83
> usbdev1.6_ep02

One usb device with two endpoints(dmesg shows three). One with one (i
guess). Doc might say about what to use and how to use (but not that
you've quoted here). Try to look at sources. They provide sources for
Linux most of the time. Because Linux have stable API nonsense feature.
And those dude on Linux like to read sources.

> Trying something like: /sh thermodl /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81 t.txt  /results
> in an error.

Are you fan of the slash (i.e. `/')? Slash in UNIX-like OSes is
directory separator. It is *not* an option separator, like in the DOS.

`/sh' means loading for execution file `/sh', i.e. root directory, file
`sh'. But somehow shell got loaded and took the input, let's see.

> /thermodl.c: line 1:

Hgm. C file. Sources of the C language file.
This must be almost all you need!

> //--: No
> such file or directory
> thermodl.c: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `('
> thermodl.c: line 2: `// Copyright (C) 2000 Dallas Semiconductor
> Corporation, All Rights 'eserved.

The shell does not like text of the sources of the C langage from that
file. :-\

> /Any hints on how to call the device?

``The data logger (DS1921G-F5)''?

_:)


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Re: Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 06:51 PM, Logan Five wrote:
I have the latest version of Debian running on Linksys NSLU.  I have it set for 
a static IP and I've added a correct default gateway to my config and everything 
works ok.  However, when I reboot, it goes back to DHCP and the gateway route 
doesn't stick.  All the correct settings in the correct files but those settings 
don't get read on reboot apparently.  And if I do a restart of networking, the 
correct settings get applied.  What gives?  Thanks.





Please post /etc/network/interfaces





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Re: Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Logan Five]

Wayne Topa  intergate.com> writes:

> What correct setting on what, the slug?
> 


The static IP settings are in /etc/network/interfaces.

The slug actually is my DHCP server and is running DNSMASQ for that. The IP that
it comes up with is within range, but is an old one I used to have assigned to
it which makes me curious.  I don't see why I would have to reserve an address
for it.  Shouldn't Debian boot with the settings I specify regardless of what
the DHCP server says (in this case itself)?   There are no conflicts with other
devices on the network.  And when I check the leases file during the time that
the erroneous settings are applied, there is no listing for the address the slug
got.  This tells me that it may be reverting to its old static settings and not
getting it from DHCP.

The interfaces setup is here:


# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
broadcast 192.168.1.255 


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Charlie]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
>--} On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote:
>--} > On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
>--} > >--} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to
> latest-etch. --} > >--} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0.
> ?Since so much --} > >--} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems;
> I don't know. --} > >--}
>--} >
>--} > I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD
> since the --} > above change and have found no breakages. Update and then
> upgrade have worked --} > a treat. Just watch the prompts.
>--} >
>--}
>--} You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to
>--} Etch-r1.  I should hope that works.  I was commenting on upgrading
>--} straight from Sarge to Etch-r1.
>--}
>--} Doug.

Apologies sorry in fact I read it as:- "Since so much changed between r0 and 
r1, there may be problems; I don't know." Thinking that was a sentence in its 
own right.

Wrong reading obviously.
Sorry again.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[s. keeling]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  You need a more compliant girlfriend.  Lucy Liu-bot comes to mind.
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dated_a_Robot

wtf did I just waste fifteen minutes reading?  You do not point at
wikipedia articles citing toons.  Geez.

It may have been an enjoyable episode *seen*, but read?  Ick.


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More intelligent `pdftotext`? (Re: more of that sed "editing")

[Oleg Verych]

> Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
> non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
> very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.

Just happened to look at "const volatile" semantics in C99 standard. It's
more interesting, than plain `fmt` :)

Is it really so hard to have text-only pdfs in the same formatting as in
pdf? pdftotext outputs a table there, constructed by whitespace
indentation, all in one paragraph.

#v+
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ grep 'const vola' < C_STANDARD-ISOIEC9899-1999.txt | sh 
sed-craziness
EXAMPLE The common type that results when the second and third operands are
pointers is determined in two independent stages. The appropriate qualifiers,
for example, do not depend on whether the two pointers have compatible types.
Given the declarations const void *c_vp;
 void *vp;
 const int *c_ip;
 volatile int *v_ip;
 int *ip;
 const char *c_cp;
 the third column in the following table is the common type that is the 
result
of a conditional expression in which the first two columns are the second and
third operands (in either order): c_vp v_ip c_ip vp ip vp c_ip 0 v_ip c_cp c_ip
ip const void * volatile int * const volatile int * const void * const int *
void *
EXAMPLE 1 An object declared extern const volatile int real_time_clock;
 may be modifiable by hardware, but cannot be assigned to, incremented, 
or
decremented.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
#v-

For those, who saw (or will see) script. It is optimized for looong
paragraphs in one line, with partial output "P", to have working string
as small as possible (it is part of justification thing). On the start,
line is checked to be long, before actual processing. But i think, it's
possible to understand all that after some playing :)
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Re: Debian may lose a user

[s. keeling]

s/Jones/West/g

You gotta change your name to Steve.


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Re: Debian may lose a user

[s. keeling]

Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
> > 
> > a lot of time working on non-goals; the question at hand is
> > whether adoption by the level of user in question is or is not a
> > goal.

I'm satisfied to leave that up to the individual.  It's none of my
business.  Caveat emptor applies in all situations.  If they want to
use it, _good for them_.  If they want crapware from Redmond instead,
_good for them_.  Irrelevant to me.  I've got what I want.

>  I'm sure Debian doesn't depend on any one user. I'm also sure that
>  she's not the only one like her.
> 
>  Anyway, I think this thread has probably already gone on too long.

Andrew Sackville-Jones(sp?) has the multiple queues thing working.
What else is a problem?


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:35:04AM +1000, Charlie wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
> >--} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch.
> >--} Etch is now at r1. ?The tested upgrade path is r0. ?Since so much
> >--} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know.
> >--}
> 
> I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the 
> above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked 
> a treat. Just watch the prompts.
> 

You saying that you successfully installed Etch r0 and upgraded to
Etch-r1.  I should hope that works.  I was commenting on upgrading
straight from Sarge to Etch-r1.  

Doug.


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Re: Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Wayne Topa]

Logan Five([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> I have the latest version of Debian running on Linksys NSLU.  I have it set 
> for
> a static IP and I've added a correct default gateway to my config and 
> everything
> works ok.  

How/where did you set the static IP?

> However, when I reboot, it goes back to DHCP and the gateway route
> doesn't stick.  

Have you configured the DHCP server with the slugs IP.  If not, DHCP
will not know that the slug's IP has been set.

man 5 dhcpd.conf see the examples for static leases.

> All the correct settings in the correct files but those settings
> don't get read on reboot apparently. 

On the Slug or server?  If the dhcpd.conf setting are correct on the
server then it should assing the slug the IP you set it at

>
> And if I do a restart of networking, the
> correct settings get applied.  What gives?  Thanks.

What correct setting on what, the slug?

You might want to take a deep breath and try giving us a better
idea of what you mean.

Wayne

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Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

[Sid Arth]

Kumar Appaiah wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 05:59:12PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
  

Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
what do you mean by trimming?
Ill try to fix it myself if I can.



It's easy to get over it. Just look at the top posted and bottom
posted messages here and see for yourself which makes more sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Posting

GMail users can scroll up and see the previous contents. But more
conventional mail client users will get _really_ pained if they see
untrimmed top postes stuff because they can't scroll up and
search. Besides, it is always better to trim replies and quote only
the things related to context.

HTH.

Kumar
  

I see, thank you.
I think I might try out thunderbird then heh.


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Charlie]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Douglas A. Tutty shared this with us all:
>--} One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch.
>--} Etch is now at r1.  The tested upgrade path is r0.  Since so much
>--} changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know.
>--}

I have installed several machines with the first netistall etch CD since the 
above change and have found no breakages. Update and then upgrade have worked 
a treat. Just watch the prompts.

I'll wish you no luck, because it's not required.

Be well,
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Re: Tool for document management

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:17 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> 
> >David Brodbeck writes:
> >>TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers.  If you're
> >>writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited.
> >
> >Now _that_ sounds like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to  
> >pick up a
> >bottle of milk.
> 
> Depends on your perspective, I guess.  It just feels like by the time  
> I get all the preliminary verbiage TeX needs typed out, I could have  
> written the whole letter in OO.  Also, looking at my copy of 'The Not  
> So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's not clear to me what document  
> class I'd use.  They're all going to be a bit clumsy and  
> inappropriate.  It's not an "article", it's not a "report", and it's  
> certainly not a "book"...
> 

Here's my personal letter template.  I copy it to the correct file name,
edit it, then latex it.  The letter text itself is just plain text.

Doug.

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\documentclass[letterpaper,12pt]{article}
%preamble here
\begin{document}
% no page number on this first page
\thispagestyle{empty}
\begin{flushleft}
Douglas A. Tutty\\
xxx x, RR. x\\
xx, ON xxx xxx\\
Ph: (xxx) xxx--\\
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
\end{flushleft}

\noindent \today

\bigskip

\noindent Dear: 

\bigskip


\begin{flushleft}
Yours truly,

\vspace{2cm}

Douglas A. Tutty.
\end{flushleft}

\end{document}


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Re: Debian may lose a user

[s. keeling]

Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >keeling:
> >> Plenty of stuff, lots of replies and multipost threads.  Can't see any
> >> bug reports.  Guess it's off to the BTS to search there.  Drat.
> >>
> >> How 'bout that?  Search of the BTS for submitter reports no reports
> >> found.  Huh?  What address did you submit them from?
> > 
> > H, methinks the emperor has no clothes.  ;-)
> 
>  Hey, that's pretty pejorative. I TOLD you I don't use Debian. I
>  didn't submit from my machine. So it isn't in my name, is it?

Ah.  I guess that might be an overly broad assumption on my part these
days.

I don't think you're a troll.

>  No. It seems likely that she will blast Debian, and I just didn't
>  want to "disappear" off the list with no explanation, and thought
>  that some explanation might aid the group.

Okay.  My Mom just went from an iMac to Vista.  I feel your pain.

Still, I'd rather the perceived problems got fixed.


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Re: Debian may lose a user

[s. keeling]

Nate Bargmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  * s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Sep 26 04:27 -0500]:
> >
> > Btw, THIS IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK HERE.  fyi.
> 
>  Yup.  And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords.  ;-)

Ah geez.  You made me laugh.  I even considered typing "LOL" ...  Crap!


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Kent West]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

Since in the process of upgrading you'll end up replacing everything
anyway, it may end up easier and faster to just do a reinstall.
  


Since the gf is likely to install Windows anyway, you might try 
persuading her to leave a goodly chunk of drive space unpartitioned, and 
then after Windows is installed, you can go to 
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ and install Debian from there on the 
unpartitioned space, without downloading/burning a CD image. Then she 
can dual-boot and have the best of both worlds, and not actually leave 
Debian behind completely. If she's the geek she seems to be, she might 
just enjoy the process for the nerdiness of it.


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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
 
> As I said, I'm going to try using the direct CUPS I/F tonight
> when I go over there. At present, I'm about 15 miles from
> the computer, so it's problematic to try stuff out :-)
> 

Have you considered a dial-up modem and setting up mgetty with auto-ppp?
Then you can dial-in to get a CLI or ppp in and do ssh -X and run her X
apps.

Doug.


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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:22:19PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Wayne Topa wrote:
> >Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
 
> >BTW, I had more luck with the web interface then the CLI.  And I use
> >the CLI for 98% of my work.
> 

Or try the foomatic-GUI

Doug.


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Douglas A. Tutty]

Mike,

Right now you're at Sarge.  If you do an upgrade, consider:

One of the first steps is to upgrade your Sarge.  That will likely be a
big download with the chance of breakage.

One of the later steps is to upgrade from latest sarge to latest-etch.
Etch is now at r1.  The tested upgrade path is r0.  Since so much
changed between r0 and r1, there may be problems; I don't know.

Since in the process of upgrading you'll end up replacing everything
anyway, it may end up easier and faster to just do a reinstall.

IIRC, the big problem is the keyboard/mouse combo.  A basic install from
the netinst.iso should let you test if Etch will fix that problem
without you needing to totally reinstall all your packages.  If it
works, go ahead and finish installing.  If it doesn't, go ahead with
Windoes.  The test itself should only take about 30 minutes once you
have Etch's netinst.iso burned.

Actually, I just thought of something.  I've never used it, but the
installer has a GUI version.  I think it may be on netinst but I don't
know.  If it is, boot that and you can test the mouse/keyboard problem
without touching the existing install.  If it works, great, if not...

Doug.


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Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

[Kumar Appaiah]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 05:59:12PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
> Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
> what do you mean by trimming?
> Ill try to fix it myself if I can.

It's easy to get over it. Just look at the top posted and bottom
posted messages here and see for yourself which makes more sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Posting

GMail users can scroll up and see the previous contents. But more
conventional mail client users will get _really_ pained if they see
untrimmed top postes stuff because they can't scroll up and
search. Besides, it is always better to trim replies and quote only
the things related to context.

HTH.

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Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all

[s. keeling]

Mumia W.. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc
> > contains the line: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap". which has worked for many
> > months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not
> > being run.
> 
>  Try this in your .bashrc:
> 
>  if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
>   if (which xmodmap); then
>   xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
>   fi
>  fi > /dev/null
> 
>  I've never seen it, but I don't assume that xmodmap will automatically 
>  be called.
> 
>  Note, the code I wrote has a problem. You need to find a way to test 
>  that xmodmap hasn't already been invoked for the X server. To do this, 
>  you might test if your key mappings are already in xmodmap before 

 if [ "$XMODMAP" != "Done" ]; then
   if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ]; then
if (which xmodmap); then
xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
export XMODMAP=DONE
fi
   fi > /dev/null 
 fi

I just have:

   usermodmap=$HOME/.Xmodmap
   if [ -f $usermodmap ]; then
 /usr/bin/xmodmap $usermodmap
   else
 # fix the mouse at the least.
 #
 /usr/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1"
   fi

in my ~/.xinitrc (I'm a southpaw, btw).


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Newbie help with simple C program, USB device under Debian

[Nick Lidakis]

Sending this again as it did not seem to get to the list when I first 
sent it this morning.


I am need of some help with a USB device under Debian; trying last night
multiple times to no avail.

I have a Dallas Semiconductor Thermochron temperature data logger that I
am trying to set. The data logger (DS1921G-F5) is attached to a USB
bridge (DS1921G-F5). I downloaded their linux utilities which consist of
two simple C programs: One to set a "mission"  and the other to download
the datat logged:

thermo21.c  thermo21.h  thermodl.c  thermoms.c

The readme states:


/These utilities are used to download (thermodl) and
mission (thermoms) a DS1921G Thermochron iButton.  The
DS1921Z/DS1921H are not supported with this application.

THERMODL:

usage: thermodl 1wire_net_name  
 - Thermochron download on the 1-Wire Net port
 - 1-wire_net_port required port name
   example: "COM1" (Win32 DS2480B),"/dev/cua0"
   (Linux DS2480B),"1" (Win32 TMEX)
 -  optional output filename
 -  optional Fahrenheit mode (default Celsius)
 - version 1.03

Required on the command line is the 1-Wire port name:

example:  "COM1"(Win32 DS2480B)
 "/dev/cua0"   (Linux DS2480B)
 "1"   (Win32 TMEX)
 "\\.\DS2490-1"(Win32 USB DS2490)
 "{1,5}"   (Win32 DS2480B multi build)
 "{1,6}"   (Win32 USB DS2490 multi build)
 "{1,2}"   (Win32 DS1410E multi build)

/When the device is plugged in dmesg shows:

usb 1-10: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 6
PM: Adding info for usb:1-10
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep00
usb 1-10: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
PM: Adding info for usb:1-10:1.0
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep81
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep02
PM: Adding info for No Bus:usbdev1.6_ep83

In /dev I have:

usbdev1.1_ep81
usbdev1.6_ep83
usbdev1.6_ep02

Trying something like: /sh thermodl /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81 t.txt  /results
in an error.

/thermodl.c: line 1:
//--: No
such file or directory
thermodl.c: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `('
thermodl.c: line 2: `// Copyright (C) 2000 Dallas Semiconductor
Corporation, All Rights 'eserved.


/Any hints on how to call the device?











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Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

[Nick Lidakis]

Sid Arth wrote:

Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
what do you mean by trimming?
Ill try to fix it myself if I can.

On 9/26/07, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:



or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.
  

Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no
top-posting and proper trimming).  You still have to do that yourself!

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but this thread is related to netiquette.
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I think it means your reply should be below what you are replying to. 
Like I just did. It is more annoying to read replies when they are top 
posted (?).


I think trimming means keeping sideburns at an acceptably trimmed level 
until lamb chops are back in style, for males. Females shall keep their 
runways appropriately devoid of any shoulder dandelion weeds.



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Network settings don't stick after reboot

[Logan Five]

I have the latest version of Debian running on Linksys NSLU.  I have it set for
a static IP and I've added a correct default gateway to my config and everything
works ok.  However, when I reboot, it goes back to DHCP and the gateway route
doesn't stick.  All the correct settings in the correct files but those settings
don't get read on reboot apparently.  And if I do a restart of networking, the
correct settings get applied.  What gives?  Thanks.


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Re: Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from debian

[David Brodbeck]

On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:41 PM, J wrote:


Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from
debian that I got for free.




Any how, KDE's add printer cannot scan and find the printer???
So, I can't add it.  Should I try to add it as
and IPP printer or other type?


For HP printers, I usually use the "socket" method of printing.   
(Sometimes called "raw socket" or "Jetdirect.")  Pretty much every  
network-capable HP printer supports it and it's easy to configure.


If you can't get KDE's add printer to work, try pointing a web  
browser at http://localhost:631/ and setting it up using CUPS's web  
interface.  The URL you'll want to give CUPS is "socket://192.168.1.5".



$ telnet 192.168.1.5:631
telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:631/telnet: Name or service not
known


The telnet program expects a space, not a colon, between the address  
and port number.


e.g.,
$ telnet 192.168.1.5 631




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Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from debian

[J]

Trying to get a network printer HP LaserJet (tm) 2100tn to print from
debian that I got for free.
I got it to print from windows because it had some Java aplet that
downloaded DLL
and did a windows install and it will print from Windows now.
The software it installed was called "HP internet Printer Connection".

Any how, KDE's add printer cannot scan and find the printer???
So, I can't add it.  Should I try to add it as
and IPP printer or other type?
I tried entering the IP address in the add printer dialog,
but then it show blank selection for chooing the model
and maker of the printer on the next page of the KDE add printer
dialog.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
J


$ telnet 192.168.1.5:631
telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:631/telnet: Name or service not
known
$ telnet 192.168.1.5:9100
telnet: could not resolve 192.168.1.5:9100/telnet: Name or service not
kn
$ telnet 192.168.1.5
Trying 192.168.1.5...
Connected to 192.168.1.5.
Escape character is '^]'.

HP JetDirect

Please type "?" for HELP, or "/" for current settings
>
> /

   ===JetDirect Telnet Configuration===
Firmware Rev.   : G.08.04
MAC Address : 00:30:c1:0c:0f:3f
Config By   : DHCP

IP Address  : 192.168.1.5
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway : 192.168.1.1
Syslog Server   : Not Specified
Idle Timeout: 90 Seconds
Set Cmnty Name  : Not Specified
Host Name   : HP2100

DHCP Config : Enabled
Passwd  : Disabled
IPX/SPX : Enabled
DLC/LLC : Enabled
Ethertalk   : Enabled
Banner page : Enabled
> quit


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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Benjamin A'Lee]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 04:16:06PM +0200, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> (Unfortunately the way from word to LaTeX is not nearly that efficient
> if not impossible.)

Not at all. IIRC, Abiword can both import DOC and export LaTeX.

On the other hand, if you want *nice* LaTeX, you'll have to try a bit
harder; Abiword seems to try to preserve as much of the formatting as
possible, rather than just letting TeX deal with it.

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Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

[Sid Arth]

Ahh you will have to excuse me, but what exactly is top posting and
what do you mean by trimming?
Ill try to fix it myself if I can.

On 9/26/07, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:12:50PM -0500, Sid Arth wrote:
>
> > or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do.
>
> Apparently they don't do any automatic proper email formating (no
> top-posting and proper trimming).  You still have to do that yourself!
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
> P.S. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but this thread is related to netiquette.
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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[p]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 04:26:34PM -0600, bent. wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> __deletia__
> > 
> > Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
> > memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
> > Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
> > looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
> > here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
> > solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
> > of Windows XP.
> >
> __deletia__
> 
> > Mike
> 
> //
> 
> i  agree with  andrew sackville-wes's  recommendation  to 
> consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which, 
> for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram.
> 
> luck.
> 
> b.
> 
> //

//

oops--3gb of ram.  sorry.  b.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[bent.]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:43PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
__deletia__
> 
> Another issue which has never been posted: She installed more
> memory. She had 512 MB RAM, and now has 1.5 Gig. Unfortunately,
> Debian seems only to recognize just under 1.0 Gig. I haven't
> looked on the web for a fix for that, so I haven't posted
> here. Part of the reason I haven't gone searching for a
> solution, is that her reaction to that was to purchase a copy
> of Windows XP.
>
__deletia__

> Mike

//

i  agree with  andrew sackville-wes's  recommendation  to 
consider an upgrade to etch, the default kernel to which, 
for example, (just) sees my rig's 3mb of ram.

luck.

b.

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Re: Tool for document management

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/25/07 18:05, David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>> I use XEMacs daily to produce LaTeX documents.  I have frequent need
>> to search my archives of material I have written in the past, and I
>> use grep for this purpose.  It is difficult for me to imagine an
>> advantage offered by OpenOffice which would compensate for the
>> inability to make use of grep in searching my archives.
> 
> I think it depends on what you're doing.  TeX is awesome for writing
> books and scientific papers.  If you're writing a letter to Grandma,
> though, OpenOffice is better suited.  Using TeX for that is a bit like
> driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick up a bottle of milk.

Load that beast to write a simple letter?  Or do some simple
spreadsheet work?

AbiWord and Gnumeric are *much* better at that task.

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Re: Tool for document management

[Russell L. Harris]

* Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070926 16:42]:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Looking at my copy of 'The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's
> > not clear to me what document class I'd use [for a letter].
> 
> For some reason that book omits the LaTeX "letter" class.


The LaTeX letter class is rather pathetic.  The letters it produces
have wide margins and are suitable only for personal correspondence;
they remind me of the style which was taught in American elementary
schools back in the 1950's.

Kopka and Daly, in "A Guide to LaTeX", third edition, provide a
fully-detailed example of a letterhead class which is suitable for the
correspondence of a business or an organization.

Using as a guide the letterhead class of Kopka and Daly, I created my
own letterhead class which has a header, a footer, two columns, page
numbers, etc.  The header for the second and subsequent pages displays
the name of the recipient and the date of the communication.  The
footer of every page displays my own organization name and address.
The result is a layout which is attractive, professional in
appearance, and stands out from the crowd.

RLH


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Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[John O Laoi]

On 9/26/07, Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user.  If it were me, I'd copy the
> contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only
> editor, re-copy the now text-only data into a new OOo doc.  (This is
> crude, but assures nothing surprising gets inadvertently copied.)  Now,
> try the new doc.
>
>  I tried this to no avail.
Then, I brought the file to SUSE, and did the same thing there, using vi,
saved it as text
and brought it back to Etch, and it opened in less than a second.
All very mysterious.
Anyway, problem solved in the end.
Thanks for your help.
John

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Russell L. Harris]

* Johannes Wiedersich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070926 08:28]:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > So now the problem becomes how to convert the HTML produced by HeVeA
> > into RTF or another format which M$ Word can read -- preferably within
> > the Debian environment, and preferably with open-source software.
> > In another hour searching with Google, I came across only one potential
> > solution.
> 
> I havn't yet tried with HeVeA output, but OOo is quite capable of
> handling html code. It can also export to .doc
> 
> Johannes

Thanks, Johannes.  I did not realize that OOo could read HTML.  

I just tried OOo on the HeVeA output (which is claimed to conform to
the HTML standard), and it works reasonably well.  

The only real problem is that some of the characters are rendered by
code such as:

A0; 2013; 2014; 2026; 201C; 201D;

So, unless OOo has a switch to enable these characters to be rendered
properly, I need to do a search-and-replace on them before converting
to M$ Word .doc format.

RLH


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Re: Tool for document management

[Rob Mahurin]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Looking at my copy of 'The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's
> not clear to me what document class I'd use [for a letter].

For some reason that book omits the LaTeX "letter" class.

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[David Brodbeck]

On Sep 26, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Rob Mahurin wrote:

You're concerned (I think) about not being able to merge changes in
OpenOffice's data files using revision control, because those files
aren't straightforward text.  Someone else mentioned Abiword, which
saves uncompressed XML; but there's metadata in there too, which might
not merge correctly.  It looks like Abisource offering revision  
control

for collaborative writing, http://collaborate.abisource.com/faq/, but
that's probably not what you want either.


He's made it clear that he doesn't want to use anything but OOo.  So  
the focus of the thread discussion so far would appear to be  
completely wrong; he apparently has a very specific desire for a  
version control tool that works within OOo.  I'm not sure such a  
thing exists, so he may be up a creek without a paddle.




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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Rob Mahurin]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 10:11:31PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Rob Mahurin wrote:
> > I know you've settled on OOo, but it's worth pointing out that TeX is
> > a simple language if you're writing a simple document.  In particular
> > you are already writing valid plain TeX in your email.  Copy the above
> > (without the >'s) into file.txt; change /'thinking'/ to {\it thinking}
> > and "saying" to ``saying''; type "pdftex file.txt" and "\end".
> > file.pdf looks like http://sns.phys.utk.edu/~mahurin/du/09-25.pdf,
> > which I think is what you're after.
> 
> Uh, no.  It's more than that.  You're forgetting loading in the templates
> and the entire structure.  

Sorry I wasn't clearer.  I made the output linked above using /plain/ TeX;
the only \command was the italics.  LaTeX is a set of templates and macros
for typesetting structured documents with TeX, which it sounds like you
don't need.  When I was writing MLA-formatted papers as an undergraduate I
used plain TeX like this and was pretty happy with it.

Your other complaints, though, are all perfectly reasonable.  It sounds
like you want to write your fiction using a word processor, not a
typesetting language.  Great --- that's why the word processor was
invented, after all.

Let me see if I remember what you want:

1. revision control, including
- resurrect erased text
- merge changes from two computers
2. shallow learning curve, so you can focus on the writing
3. export to .doc that preserves italicization.

You're concerned (I think) about not being able to merge changes in
OpenOffice's data files using revision control, because those files
aren't straightforward text.  Someone else mentioned Abiword, which
saves uncompressed XML; but there's metadata in there too, which might
not merge correctly.  It looks like Abisource offering revision control
for collaborative writing, http://collaborate.abisource.com/faq/, but
that's probably not what you want either.  These options give you #2 and
#3, maybe #1, or maybe a broken document after a certain level of
complexity is reached.

Many of the replies have been about TeX, its macro packages, etc.  You
complain that gives you #1 at the expense of #2 and #3.

You mentioned you're not afraid of programming, so here's an idea.
You could just write in plain text, and use /italics/ the same you
have on this list.  You said the publishers you've spoken to accept
plain text; that additional markup is easy enough to read.

If you /must/ send someone a .doc, you could write a Word macro (or a
macro in a program that produces Word files) to match and italicize text.
For that matter, a three-line perl (or whatever) script could

1. escape TeX's special characters, $%&#\{}^_~
2. replace / with "\it " (italicize) or "\rm " (roman) in alternation
3. run pdfTeX on the output

giving you something nice to print out.  You should call the converter
SLIPTT, Steve Lamb's Italicized Plain Text Typesetter.
Don't want to print?  Publisher can read plain text?  You're all set.

The fact is that any document formatting specification is going to be in
SOME language, whether that language is embedded in the file format by
the word processor, marked up by the author, or whatever.  Most of the
open-source revision control systems are for marked-up text, or code,
where the author can tell if the merged text is right or not.  File
formats that warn "don't change this file manually," as AbiWord and
OpenOffice do, probably require specialized version control software
that's aware of those formats.  The conclusion of this thread seems to
be that debian users are using source-controlled LaTeX markup, and that
there's not yet a good solution for source-controlled word processor
output.  I'll be interested to know what you decide to do.

Good luck with your writing.

Rob

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Problems capturing audio with Intel ICH5...

[Andrea Giuliano]

Hi!

Recently I had to change the motherboard, and now I have the P4i65G by
ASRock. The south bridge is the famous ICH5, which, amoing other things,
incorporates a sound card. "lspci -v" gives the following line about it:

00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER
(ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)

The problem is this: I can play normally anything perfectly fine (at
least, the sound seems good), but if try to record something from
Line-in, when I play it back the sound is ugly. It resembles the tipical
robot-like speaking, and it's very loud too.

I try to lower and even to mute every input control with gnome-mixer,
but the results are the same.

Alsa seems correctly configured (at least, sudo alsaconf gives no error).

What could be the cause of this strange behaviour?

Best regards.

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Re: more of that sed "editing" (Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten)

[Ken Irving]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 08:27:34PM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
> 26-09-2007, Celejar:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
> > Martin McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
> >> escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
> >> to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
> >> remember the name of this utility?
> >
> > fmt -w nnn?
> 
> Yesterday, when i was (quickly) reviewing (very long) backlog of this
> ML, there was similar question, but person started subject with `sed`.
> 
> Eventually the sed solution to the problem was not noticed, and this
> silly `fmt` was accepted.
> 
> Just in case somebody is interested in sed scripting, i'd like to share
> with little one, which i used to format `pdftotext` output. I didn't come
> up with good distribution algo for justification, though.
> 
> 
> 
> Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
> non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
> very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.
> 
> Ah, "silly fmt?", you might say. Yes. It doesn't break line-long
> words. I do this like that:
> "
> barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar\
> barfoobarbarfoobar"
> 
> :P

Just to toss out another alternative, while I use fmt a lot, par does
some things better, or at least easier.  In particular, it can reformat a
paragraph while retaining leading characters, e.g., quoted text in emails.

It my not handle your runaway foobar example very well, though:

  $ echo barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar | par -w 40
  barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarf
  oobarbarfoobar


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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Steve Lamb]

David Brodbeck wrote:
> Maybe I'm confusing threads.  I thought one of his requirements was
> searchability and version control.  Version control tools don't work
> well with OOo because, by design, it produces opaque binary files.

You're not confusing the two.  Yes, it was listed as a "requirement" but
it was more of a "nice to have" requirement and not an absolute one.  I admit
that I didn't do an adequate job in listing all my requirements as
requirements and separating out nice-to-haves as such.

To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versioning that
worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OOo,
Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replacement.

Of course in writing this explanation for you I do find it mildly amusing
that lots of people seemed to have latched onto versioning as an absolute
requirement, feel obligated to change one of the tools I am using to fit that
perception yet have not offered up any replacement tools for Freemind or
Storylines.  ;)

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more of that sed "editing" (Re: ASCII Formatter Whose Name I've Forgotten)

[Oleg Verych]

26-09-2007, Celejar:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:09 -0500
> Martin McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  I remember reading about a UNIX utility whose name
>> escapes me. You feed it ASCII text and it breaks lines as near
>> to a desired length as possible without splitting words. Anyone
>> remember the name of this utility?
>> 
>>  Thanks.
>
> fmt -w nnn?

Yesterday, when i was (quickly) reviewing (very long) backlog of this
ML, there was similar question, but person started subject with `sed`.

Eventually the sed solution to the problem was not noticed, and this
silly `fmt` was accepted.

Just in case somebody is interested in sed scripting, i'd like to share
with little one, which i used to format `pdftotext` output. I didn't come
up with good distribution algo for justification, though.



Main usage was to read defprogramming.pdf by Ulrich Drepper in my hackish
non-X environment. But such docs, with silly 2 columns text, are coming out
very broken. But some formatting for C in sed, is rather useful.

Ah, "silly fmt?", you might say. Yes. It doesn't break line-long
words. I do this like that:
"
barfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobarbarfoobar\
barfoobarbarfoobar"

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Steve Lamb]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> Since I don't think we will change each other's mind regarding this,
> I think it should be dropped.

This is D-U, you can't do that!

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Steve Lamb]

Ken Irving wrote:
> That's a good point.  Someone posts a question, and a lot of views and
> ideas may be presented, whether relevant to the OP's question or not.
> The OP doesn't "own" the thread that results, and attempts to keep the
> discussion focused may degenerate into what's perceived of as attacks,
> if not just unuseful (to the OP) information.

I don't feel I have done that except in cases where people are directing
the advice to me specifically.  You'd be surprised at the wonderful effects
one simple statement can have to the disposition of a discussion if a post
which is meant as an alternative for other people's edification started thusly:

"I know this won't work for you, but an alternative way to look at it is..."

Acknowledging the other person's position and cluing them in that the
advice is for the broader audience of the list means the OP can clearly see it
isn't directly solely at them and let it slide.  Otherwise the perception is
that it *IS* directed at them which changes the tone of the post.

I honestly do not mind someone putting the information out there for the
archives.  I did that when I decided to go with Mercurial.  I do mind people
posting telling me my opinions are wrong, that how I want to do this work is
wrong, that all matters subjective are wrong.  I mind they tell me that
something is easier as if easier is some universal absolute agreeable by all.
 I'm pretty sure that they would take equal offense to me suggesting they drop
LaTeX for OOo because *I* happen to find it easier for my specific task at hand.

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Steve Lamb]

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> If there is a problem than this: you don't just take the advice, you
> claim that the advice is *unsuitable* to your problem, which it is not.

Johannes, who are you to judge the suitability of any particular tool to
*my problem*.  Part of that problem is me, my work habits, my perceptions and
desires and value judgements of different systems.  How can you honestly say
that I am wrong in my work habits, in my perceptions, desires and value
judgements?  That's the problem.  I have not said that LaTeX is unsuitable for
the problem.  I have said it is not suitable for *me*.  Only *I* can judge
that, not you or any one else.

> You are perfectly free to ignore advice that you personally don't want
> to use, but instead you constantly claim that the advice is wrong.

Not universally, no.

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Ken Irving]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 02:28:49PM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:
>
> However, the discussion of options for long-document creation is 
> informative to some people.

That's a good point.  Someone posts a question, and a lot of views and
ideas may be presented, whether relevant to the OP's question or not.
The OP doesn't "own" the thread that results, and attempts to keep the
discussion focused may degenerate into what's perceived of as attacks,
if not just unuseful (to the OP) information.

What I find useful is seeing a variety of ideas and views from all sorts
of people with all sorts of experience and perspectives.  This thread has
raised a lot of issues, and, while I don't share the OP's particular
problem or needs, much of the discussion has been interesting and
potentially useful.

Ken

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 11:40 AM, Steve Lamb wrote:

Manoj Srivastava wrote:

I do not consider converting to word a desirable feature,


I do and have stated such.

You asked for suggestions.  TeX is the solution I use in a 
 similar situation, and I offered it up to you, mentioning some of the 
 advantages I see in that solution.


Yes, you and many other people have done that.  That's not the problem and 
never has been.  The problem is when I point out why it is ill-suited to *my 
specific needs* those problems are flippantly ignored.  [...]


Not by me.

Steve, you've sufficiently proven that TeX won't support your needs, so 
there's no need to continue to justify your decision to use OOo.


This thread has descended into a discussion of personal preferences, 
e.g. "blue is the nicest color." It looks like the thread is dying.


However, the discussion of options for long-document creation is 
informative to some people.




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Re: htsearch problem after Sarge->Etch system upgrade

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 10:54 AM, Alexander Schäfer wrote:

Hello,

we've upgraded our company's web-server (runnun with apache2) from 3.1 
to 4.0. All is working well after upgrade, but not the "htsearch" 
function, which is used for the product search on our web-site. The 
error message in the Apache-Log is the like:

***
[Wed Sep 26 16:49:35 2007] [error] [client 10.10.0.102] 
/srv/cgi-bin/htsearch: error while loading shared libraries: 
libdb2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, 
referer: 
http://10.10.154.177/COM/search.php?SearchText=df&Typensuche2=Search

***
htsearch is a cgi-script which is installed with the Debian packet 
"htdig". htdig is also available in the "etch" distribution. But why we 
do have this unsolved dependency: libdb2.so.2 ? Due to Debian 
repository: libdb2 is not available for "etch" anymore.


What can i do, to get the htsearch running on the "etch"-server?

Thanks for your suggestions
Alex




Purge htdig and install htdig version 1:3.2.0b6-3.1. An excursion into 
aptitude reveals to me that libdb2 has been removed from Debian, and the 
version of htdig for Etch no longer requires it.




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Re: Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive

[Mumia W..]

On 09/26/2007 09:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



Thanks for that... have downloaded the lastest snapshot and it booted
no issues. Now it wont find the network card. sigh... its a intel
e1000 i think.

Is it easier to just put a new network card in it?


Could be,
An old 3com or something may help, but I would guess that the kernel 
should support the e1000 nic.
On a similar desktop machine, (intel board 965 chipset), I had the exact 
same problems as you. I eventually gave up and used a usb stick to 
install Debian.

A good how to is here:

http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html

Mike




I would hope that Simon could try this first:

modprobe e1000

It seems that e1000 is compiled as a kernel module, but it probably 
wasn't recognized by hotplug on Simon's system.



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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Wayne Topa]

Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Wayne Topa wrote:
>> Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
>>> I've printed off the CUPS docu from their home page, and
>>> I'll give the web or CLI another try tomorrow night. (If
>>> she'll let me, that is :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>> Your welcome, Mike.  One question.  With your GF having been into
>> computers so long, why hasn't she asked for help from the list?
>> Especially since you don't run Debian and she does.
>
> She isn't into using computers as a hobby any more. She just
> wants them to work. If the sw doesn't do what she wants more
> or less right away, then she tosses it. I don't mean as in
> needing to learn how to use it, I mean as in it doesn't work
> as advertised pretty quickly. She doesn't want to fiddle with
> it, she wants it to run.
>

:-(  sounds like my wife and my son.  Problem is, they keep asking me
to, fix or explain why, their winbloz boxes keep screwing up! Sighs

> Maybe Ubuntu or Kubuntu would have been a better choice. I've
> never run either of them. But one of the things that she really
> liked about Knoppix was that it was able to find and set up
> all the hardware and run.

I am sure that either one would be easier for her then Debian.  The
only problem is, that once installed, she/you would have to use the
Debian tools to keep them upgraded.  Or if she runs them off the live
CD she would have to getting new CD's to upgrade.

One good this is that she bought XP and not Vista.  Hate to think
about the problems she would encounter with Vista!

>
>> BTW, I had more luck with the web interface then the CLI.  And I use
>> the CLI for 98% of my work.
>
> Ok, I'll take that as a hint.

Hope you get it working!!

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Re: Num Lock nor Caps Lock LEDs working in Sid

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:16:59PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Sep 25 18:08 -0500]:
> 
> > Yup.  NumLock light stays on, CapsLock and ScrollLock stay off.  At
> > the console, they toggle as normal.  (I use startx to fire up X.)
> 
> I log in via KDM.
> 
> > Even though the lights don't toggle, CAPS LOCK still works.
> 
> Hmmm, my LEDs stay off in X, but then I think they are off all the way
> through the boot process.  I just confirmed the same behavior on my
> laptop with Sid up-to-date.

confirmed here too up-to-date side, startx, wmii. 

numlock led on, caps lock led off, but both keys function normally
otherwise. also, note that numlockx both functions properly with
regard to behavior of the keys but it *also* toggles the led
properly. 

note that there are several bug reports and its been forwarded
upstream. problem is in xserver-xorg-core. I assume we'll see a fix
shortly. 


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Re: Tool for document management

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:17 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> 
>> David Brodbeck writes:
>>> TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers.  If you're
>>> writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited.
>>
>> Now _that_ sounds like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick
>> up a
>> bottle of milk.
> 
> Depends on your perspective, I guess.  It just feels like by the time I
> get all the preliminary verbiage TeX needs typed out, I could have
> written the whole letter in OO.  Also, looking at my copy of 'The Not So
> Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's not clear to me what document class
> I'd use.  They're all going to be a bit clumsy and inappropriate.  It's
> not an "article", it's not a "report", and it's certainly not a "book"...

Just put the 'reliminary veriage' into a style file of your own, jw.sty,
and your letter becomes:

==
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{jw}
\begin{document}
Text to go here...
\end{document}
==

... not much longer than opening a template in OOo.


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Re: Tool for document management

[Sarunas Burdulis]

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David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:17 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> 
>> David Brodbeck writes:
>>> TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers.  If you're
>>> writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited.
>>
>> Now _that_ sounds like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to pick
>> up a
>> bottle of milk.
> 
> Depends on your perspective, I guess.  It just feels like by the time I
> get all the preliminary verbiage TeX needs typed out, I could have
> written the whole letter in OO.  Also, looking at my copy of 'The Not So
> Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's not clear to me what document class
> I'd use.  They're all going to be a bit clumsy and inappropriate.  It's
> not an "article", it's not a "report", and it's certainly not a "book"...
> 
And given what's going on in TeX (let alone LaTeX) behind the scenes, OO, when 
used to typeset a single letter, might prove to be a somewhat
smaller truck :)

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Re: Basic Tomcatt5.5 Admin question

[Dancing Fingers]

On Sep 21, 2:00 pm, Dancing Fingers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks.  This helps a lot.   I   also tried
> chown -R www-data  /usr/share/tomcat5.5-webapps
> without much luck.
>
> Cchris
> On Sep 21, 1:10 pm, Nyizsnyik Ferenc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:42:59 -0700
>
> > Dancing Fingers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi guys,
> > > I  finally got Tomcat5.5 going on Etch  AMD and  I start studying the
> > > JSP developers guide but I get stuck in  the beginning.   The book
> > > says to create a  new directory under  ROOT but  I  don't have
> > > permission in my default account.  The  last  install I  did a
> > > chgrp / user/share/tomcat5.5-webapps/ROOT www-data but I screwed  the
> > > package up so  bad that I re-installed the system.   Could anyone
> > > tell me how the is typically  done?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Chris
>
> > I use the "user web applications", I think it is a better approach for
> > learning stuff. I put the following in /etc/tomcat5.5/server.xml, in
> > the  section:
>
> >  > directoryName="public_html"
> > userClass="org.apache.catalina.startup.PasswdUserDatabase"/>
>
> >  > docBase="/home/nyizsa/public_html/jsp" debug="0"> 
>
> > My pages can be reached ashttp://localhost:8180/~nyizsa/jsp/, and they
> > are actually located in /home/nyizsa/public_html/jsp.
>
> > You may find more useful information athttp://localhost:8180/tomcat-docs/
>
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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade
to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give
you a little more time to do this stuff. 


Ok.


head over to www.debian.org and read up (at least browse through) the
upgrade notes for


[...]


It will take a while, but when done, she'll be running 'etch' and
probably many of the problems will simply go away. Certainly a lot of
the printer issues will be resolved and the others may as well. 


hth.


So do I :-)

And, of course, it may not help, even if it "helps". IOW,
her mind may (likely is) already made up.


ps. of course, back up etc.


Oh, yes.

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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:


I realise that, just posting up so that 1) others can keep track of
stuff we've discussed off-list and 2) so that I know you got the
message not knowing how/when you check email.


'K


On my FC computer, I have six queues associated with my one printer,
three different resolutions in color/greyscale. I'm going to spend some
time looking at the CUPS web I/F on my machine, and seeing how it
works before going over tonight.



good plan and good luck.


Thanks!

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Re: Openoffice file takes a long time to open

[Ralph Katz]

On 09/26/2007 11:02 AM, John O Laoi wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/26/07, *Ralph Katz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Also check your disk i/o for swapping.  
> 
> 
> How do I do that?

Little ole me looks at the disk light. :)  Also, I have gkrellm
installed which can show graphically the disk usage.  (There is also the
systat package which I just found searching for -> monitor OR watch
"disk i/o" -> iostat -> search debian pkgs page for this command.)  And
of course top and free commands show swap space used/available.

> Also, check whether any other unusual objects are embedded or called
> somehow.  Perhaps some object is not loading, re-trying, and finally
> timing out.  Just a guess...
> 
> 
> That is what has me baffled - there are no images or anything else in
> the file.
> It has some email addresses - maybe openoffice is trying to open an
> email application for each of these.
> John

Don't know, John, I'm just a simple user.  If it were me, I'd copy the
contents of the doc onto the clipboard, paste it into a text-only
editor, re-copy the now text-only data into a new OOo doc.  (This is
crude, but assures nothing surprising gets inadvertently copied.)  Now,
try the new doc.

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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 01:06:06PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> has for a while. I suspect its a case of PEBCAK. :) You can definitely
>> set up another queue and you can do so for sure through the
>> localhost:631 interface. YOu have to review all the data from the
>> other instance of the printer as you have to re-enter it as if
>> creating the printer from scratch. BUt it should just work at that
>> point. 
>
> As I said, I'm going to try using the direct CUPS I/F tonight
> when I go over there. At present, I'm about 15 miles from
> the computer, so it's problematic to try stuff out :-)

I realise that, just posting up so that 1) others can keep track of
stuff we've discussed off-list and 2) so that I know you got the
message not knowing how/when you check email.

...

>
> On my FC computer, I have six queues associated with my one printer,
> three different resolutions in color/greyscale. I'm going to spend some
> time looking at the CUPS web I/F on my machine, and seeing how it
> works before going over tonight.
>

good plan and good luck.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Andrei Popescu]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
 How current is her Debian install?
>>> From stable, but a little old.
>> From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not 
>> stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as 
>> opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4).
>
> From stable as of Sep 2005.

A new stable (etch) has been released early this year. There's already 
an r1. sarge is now oldstable. And the differences are quite 
significant.

Regards,
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Re: Debian may lose a user

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 06:39:37AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> Yup.  And I for one appreciate our Debian Volunteer Overlords.  ;-)
> 

In soviet russia, debian volunteers you!

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

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On 09/26/07 13:03, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> How current is her Debian install?
 From stable, but a little old.
>>> From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not 
>>> stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as 
>>> opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4).
>> From stable as of Sep 2005.
> 
> Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade
> to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give
> you a little more time to do this stuff. 
> 

Or... since Mike's expertise lays in FC, use that instead.

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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Mike McCarty]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

[snip]


has for a while. I suspect its a case of PEBCAK. :) You can definitely
set up another queue and you can do so for sure through the
localhost:631 interface. YOu have to review all the data from the
other instance of the printer as you have to re-enter it as if
creating the printer from scratch. BUt it should just work at that
point. 


As I said, I'm going to try using the direct CUPS I/F tonight
when I go over there. At present, I'm about 15 miles from
the computer, so it's problematic to try stuff out :-)


Also, you've mentioned this being an HP printer. Please confirm that
hplip and all its dependencies are installed. It sounds like she's got


I'll do that.


an HP PSC something or other. I have installed and used three of these
printers of various models (1210, 1315 and mumble mumble) and they work
great using hplip. This is the same kind of printer that I used for
the above multi-queue testing.  Note that the printers do not (afaict)
allow you to specify the resolution through the gnome-cups-manager,
but it does allow you to specify the "printout mode" in the "advanced"
tab in the printer properties. The printout mode will allow you to
choose "draft" or "high-quality" as well as different color
options. Also the hplip toolbox will allow you to do all kinds of
things with the printer just like in the other os. 


On my FC computer, I have six queues associated with my one printer,
three different resolutions in color/greyscale. I'm going to spend some
time looking at the CUPS web I/F on my machine, and seeing how it
works before going over tonight.

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Re: Tool for document management

[Neil Watson]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:39:55AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
Depends on your perspective, I guess.  It just feels like by the time  
I get all the preliminary verbiage TeX needs typed out, I could have  
written the whole letter in OO


Once of the good things about TeX is that you only need to create that
preamble once for any single type of document.  I have a report
template.  When I want to write a new report I copy the template to the
name of the new report file, open it and start editing.  


As for classes, article and report are pretty similar.  I see no reason
not choose one arbitrarily and then change later if necessary.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:58:20AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:50:44 -0500
> Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> [snipped the on-topic stuff]
> 
> > > Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
> > > Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
> > 
> > Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
> > Teach a man to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink
> > beer for a day.
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/07/msg01537.html

heh heh heh. that was fun.

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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
 How current is her Debian install?
>>> From stable, but a little old.
>> From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not 
>> stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 as 
>> opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4).
>
> From stable as of Sep 2005.

Okay, I think a lot of your problems would be alleviated by an upgrade
to etch. Again, this is all predicated on the idea that she will give
you a little more time to do this stuff. 

head over to www.debian.org and read up (at least browse through) the
upgrade notes for
etch. http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/

especially review:
http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that all references to 'sarge'
are replaced with either 'etch' or 'stable'. (note, if they already
read 'stable', then just review the release notes and proceed with the
below).

do a full upgrade:

aptitude (or apt-get) update
aptitude dist-upgrade

there are some stuff on the release notes that you need to pay
attention to and some things need to be done in a particular order, so
the above is really only the last step. 

It will take a while, but when done, she'll be running 'etch' and
probably many of the problems will simply go away. Certainly a lot of
the printer issues will be resolved and the others may as well. 

hth.

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Re: wireless keyboard encryption

[Chris Purves]

On 21/09/2007, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 20, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Chris Purves wrote:
>
> > On 20/09/2007, Gabriel Parrondo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> El jue, 20-09-2007 a las 10:23 -0600, Chris Purves escribió:
> >>>
> >>> Is it possible to encrypt my wireless keyboard communication?  I
> >>> have
> >>> a Logitech EX110.  The included Windows software has this
> >>> feature, but
> >>> of course no linux drivers.
> >>
> >> Rare... how is it connected? Usually this kind of devices are
> >> hardware-only and transparently work as a standard device for the OS.
> >
> > The Logitech webpage is
> > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/
> > devices/154&cl=ca,en#
> >
> > The normal operation does work transparently.  There is a receiver
> > that plugs into the ps/2 ports.  Establishing initial connection is
> > through connect buttons on the receiver and keyboard and mouse.
> >
> > I ran the included SetPoint software in Windows and it had an option
> > for enabling encryption between the keyboard and receiver.  Perhaps,
> > once it is enabled, it will continue to be encrypted when I boot into
> > Debian.  I don't know if the software turns on a switch in the
> > hardware, or if it runs some driver that must be running in order to
> > get encryption.
>
> I've also seen this "enable encryption" option on my wireless
> keyboard at home.
>
> I think the more important question for the original poster is really
> -- how far away do you think your keyboard can be reliably received
> (just walk away from the computer and see where you can go... type
> things into a text editor like, "Now I'm on the stairs", "Now I'm in
> the kitchen", "Now I'm on the back porch", and then walk back and see
> what's on the screen.

Yes, that was a good suggestion.  The limit seems to be about 8 feet
in open air (with new batteries), so going through a wall would likely
kill the signal.

> Then do a sane risk-analysis.  If I can only reliably use it at X
> distance, how often will someone I don't trust be able to put a
> receiver capable of both receiving the data in whatever format it's
> in?  (Keeping in mind that the protocol used for the keyboard usually
> not well-documented, so it'd take some skill and knowledge to
> intercept it, or you'd have to disassemble a similar RF unit and
> reverse engineer a way to make it into a data-logger.)  A good
> exercise might be in TRYING to intercept your own keystrokes, and
> seeing how difficult it is for YOU to do it.  If it's a pain in the
> ass for you, then evaluate whether or not you're doing something so
> bad or have such a need for privacy that you can name anyone or any
> organization that would go to that effort to read your typing.
>
> If you can think of someone/something who'd want that data bad enough
> to get close enough, and do the work of figuring out how to capture
> it -- wireless keyboards probably weren't a good idea for you in the
> first place.

That's not my situation.  Considering the short range of the keyboard
and the difficulty involved in intercepting, the risk is very small.

> Security is as much about realistic risk-analysis as it is about
> "encryption for encryption's sake".  I'm not saying you shouldn't TRY
> to encrypt your keyboard traffic if the keyboard has the feature --
> but at some point there's a steep diminshing return on "security".
>
> Another thing to look at... are there easier ways you'd leak whatever
> it is that you're typing on your keyboard that someone smart would go
> after before trying to snoop your keyboard?  Could it be gathered any
> other electronic/technical way?  Could you fall for a social
> engineering "hack" easier and GIVE away what you're doing on that
> keyboard to someone you "thought you could trust"?  I bet there are
> ways that would have a much lower opportunity-cost lost to the
> attacker than trying to get your keystrokes from your wireless keyboard.
>
> If you're using a wireless keyboard out in public... that's a
> completely different story.  Again, wireless may not be the correct
> technical solution for you..  :-)
>

Thanks for your feedback, Nate.

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Re: Spamassassin and Exim4

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:05:00PM -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote:
> On Monday 24 September 2007 19:03:47 Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 06:40:58PM -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote:
> > > On Monday 24 September 2007 15:50:58 Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >
> > > I've reconfigured the file with your recommendations and restarted exim. 
> > > I'm still not getting any headers in any email, including obvious spam. 
> > > Not sure what's going on.  Do you know of any way to verify that ACLs are
> > > actually running?
> >
> > I really don't know other than to see them show up in the logs
> > etc. Can you provide the pertinent part of exim4.conf? the entire ACL
> > section would be good.
> 
> This last line was the clue that led me to getting everything straightened 
> out.  Feeling a little sheepish here, but the issue was that I was modifying 
> the split config files, but still had exim configured to use the monolithic 
> template.   Doh!
> 
> Thanks for your assistance.

:)

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Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 08:44:47PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:43:47PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>>> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
 Why are you saying the version shipped with Debian is broken? Have you
 tried it on other distros and it's different?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
 This is gnome, love it or leave it!
>>> Works on my distro. I can't get it to work with Debian.
>> what does it do Mike? details man!
>
> It's difficult to remember now, but what I recall was that
> I tried starting the GUI, and selected "Add new printer"
> or sth like that. When I tried to create the new instance,
> I was not allowed to select the one which was already
> there. It wanted me to enter a whole new connection,
> name, type, etc. Trying to create a new printer with
> a new name but the same connection was also refused.
> It appeared not to understand what I was trying to do.
> It seemed to think that it was some sort of error to try
> to associate multiple queues with one physical printer
> connection.

as we've discussed, this *does* work on my current, up-to-date sid
box. And my understanding is that it does work in CUPS in general and
has for a while. I suspect its a case of PEBCAK. :) You can definitely
set up another queue and you can do so for sure through the
localhost:631 interface. YOu have to review all the data from the
other instance of the printer as you have to re-enter it as if
creating the printer from scratch. BUt it should just work at that
point. 

Also, you've mentioned this being an HP printer. Please confirm that
hplip and all its dependencies are installed. It sounds like she's got
an HP PSC something or other. I have installed and used three of these
printers of various models (1210, 1315 and mumble mumble) and they work
great using hplip. This is the same kind of printer that I used for
the above multi-queue testing.  Note that the printers do not (afaict)
allow you to specify the resolution through the gnome-cups-manager,
but it does allow you to specify the "printout mode" in the "advanced"
tab in the printer properties. The printout mode will allow you to
choose "draft" or "high-quality" as well as different color
options. Also the hplip toolbox will allow you to do all kinds of
things with the printer just like in the other os. 

hth

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Re: Stupid question (was Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges")

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

I know how to do the necessary admin with FC. Debian I'm much less
capable with. I wouldn't call FC "turnkey". But it uses a completely
different set of admin tools.


Why did you push Debian on her, when your expertise lies in FC?


"Push" is a four letter word :-)

I got her a bunch of LiveCDs, and she ran them. Of them all
she liked Knoppix and Kanotix the best. Since they are both
based on Debian, that is what I suggested. One of the things
she liked best was that both of them did an excellent job
of recognizing and setting up hardware with little interaction
with the user.

Fedora I would not recommend to anyone not interested in
eternally fiddling with the machine, broken interfaces,
and churn. It's for people whose hobbies include fiddling
with new installs and reloading.

I'm not into that, either, for these large machines.
When I finally upgrade to another release, it won't be
FC.

The reason _I_ installed FC was that I got an employment
contract, and was requested to build up a machine which
could dual boot WinXP and FC for test on multiple platforms.
Due to inertia and general laziness, I have not moved from
FC2, which in FC terms is REALLY ANCIENT.

I don't like it, but I also don't like reloading. :-)

And, I don't consider myself expert at FC admin, either.

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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[David Brodbeck]

On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I disagree.  I use latex for some articles which are submitted to
scientific journals, but for the type of writing which Steve has
described, Oo.org is fine, with no learning curve, and he can  
output it

to .doc or.rtf as necessary.


Maybe I'm confusing threads.  I thought one of his requirements was  
searchability and version control.  Version control tools don't work  
well with OOo because, by design, it produces opaque binary files.


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Re: Repost of some earlier described "challenges"

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:



How current is her Debian install?

From stable, but a little old.


From what you're saying I think she is running oldstable (sarge) and not 
stable (etch). It could make a big difference as etch has kernel 2.6.18 
as opposed to 2.6.8 (or the default 2.4).


From stable as of Sep 2005.

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Re: Tool for document management

[David Brodbeck]

On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:17 PM, John Hasler wrote:


David Brodbeck writes:

TeX is awesome for writing books and scientific papers.  If you're
writing a letter to Grandma, though, OpenOffice is better suited.


Now _that_ sounds like driving a semi truck to the supermarket to  
pick up a

bottle of milk.


Depends on your perspective, I guess.  It just feels like by the time  
I get all the preliminary verbiage TeX needs typed out, I could have  
written the whole letter in OO.  Also, looking at my copy of 'The Not  
So Short Introduction To LaTeX,' it's not clear to me what document  
class I'd use.  They're all going to be a bit clumsy and  
inappropriate.  It's not an "article", it's not a "report", and it's  
certainly not a "book"...





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False dichotomy (was Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX ...)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/26/07 12:06, Peter Robinson wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I write all my texts in latex, use JabRef/bibtex to manage references,
> subversion to keep track of things and to collaborate with coauthors,
> and -- if I need to submit to a journal misguided enough only to accept
> word, latex2rtf.
> Gone are the days of hundreds of different versions of a manuscript as
> separate word files. Gone are the days when EndNote kept "loosing" my
> references or word kept screwing up almost anything.
> Things have become simply EASIER and I have more time to do real work,
> as opposed to secretarial/editorial chores.
> The time I invested to learn all this has been repaid at least 50 times.
> Even if Steve or others have different needs, I submit that they too
> will benefit from latex/SVN etc for document management, the cost of
> rethinking a few work steps is truly minor..

AbiWord.

Saves in a plaintext XML format somewhat similar to latex & lyx that
is perfectly suited for use with a vcs.

If he ever *needs* the extra features of latex/lyx, there's nothing
to stop him from using latex or lyx at that time.

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evolution 'mail' won't display times correctly

[michael]

I've had a look about but can't find a suitable solution so perhaps one
of you may be able to help.

When running evolution 2.10 (IIRC) I see that the
date for (eg) incoming messgaes is HH:MM AM/PM. How do I get this to be
in 24 hour format (instead of 01:01PM (is that how you would write it?!)
it says 13:01).

I've tried variants of
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 /usr/bin/evolution
but with no joy. Anybody out there had more luck on this?

Thanks, Michael


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Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 09/26/07 12:21, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> You're saying that only stringent proponents get to define the usage
>> parameters of a system.
> 
> No.  But their usage parameters are the only one that change significantly
> from what I'm working with now.  It's a matter of "drop the WYSIWYG and do the
> work in LaTeX" vs. "Save in a different format."  Saving in a different format
> does not fundamentally change the tool.  It would be like saying if Word
> were able to save in ODT it would be ok to use Word instead of OOo because of
> the file format it saves in.
> 
> One has to change the tool so if one is advocating LaTeX because of the
> merits of LaTeX over WYSIWYG one cannot offer up WYSIWYG as a front end for
> LaTeX without invalidating the argument that it is superior.

And I just *totally* disagree with that line of thinking.

Since I don't think we will change each other's mind regarding this,
I think it should be dropped.

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