Re: Blind Debian Potential User
Shane, If you are slightly sighted, then you may want to consider KDE. Almost all KDE applications have integrated text-to-speech functions. You only need to install festival and KDE takes care of the integration. You will then have a speech-enabled GUI environment, including web browser. I use it extensively. As the OP is using text-to-speech equipment, I am top-posting. Please excuse me, and see my sig for why not to top-post. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? On 05/01/2008, Shane D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Debian Users, > > My name is Shane. I am new to the list. I am trying to install Debian > on an older laptop of mine so that I can use it for an Asterisk box. I > run a couple of radioshows, and need to take calls. > > Anyway, I am questing a way to install Debian with Speech. I do not > have a hardware synthesizer. I want a way of > (A) Being able to install debian with speech > (B) Having speech to use in the shell. > > I don't want to use a graphical interface once it is installed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance. > > Shane
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
phillinux wrote: At 11:31 PM 1/5/2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? So back up. what allows Oo.o to run on your linux box now? An X-windows system. You don't even need a window manager. So, does the XO have X? If so, and provided other minimum dependencies are met, then yes you could run Oo.o on it. You might have better success with some other, more lightweight apps though: abiword, gnumeric, etc. And, what allows guis and apps to be built for a particular kernel? Well, they're not built for the kernel, more like built for a particular libc, but we'll ignore that part. What is needed to build anything for a particular system is a compiler and development headers for the various libraries used. Seeing as some apps have been ported to the XO, that makes it a pretty good bet that there is a compiler and the requisite libraries available. A For starters, What is O.o.o?? does this refer to object oriented development tools?? O.O.o = Open Office.org I'm looking to find a way to get Open office or any office suite that will translate/convert common file formats - like microsoft's - so kids can co-operate on projects. These are all possible. In Abiword, for example, teach your pupils how to save in RTF and any other Word Processor will recognise and display it. The kernel on th XO is a redhat derivative (I think) because I saw some selinux stuff in there. No indication - Debian features this also, but I believe, at last advice, that OLPC was based on Fedora, a RH derivative. I don't think it has any loaded modules. It will have or very little will run. Thin clients are nice for a lab, ...and very productive in the educational context also. but a lot of educators are looking for a light cheep machine kids can carry around and take home. A graphic browser is essential for research Opera is probably the most featureful, coupled with the smallest of footprints for that type. and frankly if kids can listen to music and play with it as well, their work center becomes a real source of enjoyment and no homework gets done. . and at 100 bucks, no tragedy if it gets ripped off or lost. Depends on your budget. Most school districts pay $50 and $60 for crappy text books. I don't think they'll be throwing the books away altogether. While the OLPC folks are focused on the third world (a really great thing) I have my sights set on my inner city kids; some of whom come to school with their Macbook pros, and others who don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out!! A functional $100 laptop (like the Asus EEE, only cheaper) would be hard for school administrators to refuse. They would love a thin client-based network even more. Especially with the tie in with administration, performance assessment graphs, statistics and etc as an aid to remedial teaching and the ilk coming off the server. Poorer kids could and would stay back after school. Thanks for your fee back. We didn't charge one, but now that you mention it: http://www.debian.org/donations#money_donations I'll look into the IBM 'developerworks site and see what their doing I drop by occasionally. See you there. -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount dvd error
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 04:34:30PM +1100, hce wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to mount a dvd drive and got an error, is it correct file > sytem type? what is wrong to the mount command? > > $ mount -t udf /dev/hdc /media/disk > mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, >missing codepage or other error >In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try >dmesg | tail or so Try not specifying a filesystem and mount will try to guess it. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
At 11:31 PM 1/5/2008, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? > > I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for secondary > school students. I would need to get a lightweight version of open office > running on that machine. > > Is the XO GUI Python based?? > Could Open Office run on it?? > DSL uses a lightweight GUI. Could that run on an OX and could it support > OpenOffice?? > > I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: > 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI or > 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? Which is more possible? Too many factors involved to answer. So back up. what allows Oo.o to run on your linux box now? An X-windows system. You don't even need a window manager. So, does the XO have X? If so, and provided other minimum dependencies are met, then yes you could run Oo.o on it. You might have better success with some other, more lightweight apps though: abiword, gnumeric, etc. And, what allows guis and apps to be built for a particular kernel? Well, they're not built for the kernel, more like built for a particular libc, but we'll ignore that part. What is needed to build anything for a particular system is a compiler and development headers for the various libraries used. Seeing as some apps have been ported to the XO, that makes it a pretty good bet that there is a compiler and the requisite libraries available. A For starters, What is O.o.o?? does this refer to object oriented development tools?? I'm not a developer, I did main frame programming in CoBOL a million years ago and barely have the skills to write shell scripts much less a GUI or sophisticated apps like a spreadsheet. I'm looking to find a way to get Open office or any office suite that will translate/convert common file formats - like microsoft's - so kids can co-operate on projects. The kernel on th XO is a redhat derivative (I think) because I saw some selinux stuff in there. I don't think it has any loaded modules. Everything seems to be compiled into a tight kernel. I haven't figured out how to get it into single user mode, there's a GUI terminal app. it has great wireless but I don't know what hardware it has because lspci lsusb and lsmod don't work. ,aybe I'll pull those programs from another machne. Thin clients are nice for a lab, but a lot of educators are looking for a light cheep machine kids can carry around and take home. A graphic browser is essential for research and frankly if kids can listen to music and play with it as well, their work center becomes a real source of enjoyment. and at 100 bucks, no tragedy if it gets ripped off or lost. Most school districts pay $50 and $60 for crappy text books. While the OLPC folks are focused on the third world (a really great thing) I have my sights set on my inner city kids; some of whom come to school with their Macbook pros, and others who don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out!! A functional $100 laptop (like the Asus EEE, only cheaper) would be hard for school administrators to refuse. Thanks for your fee back. I'll look into the IBM 'developerworks site and see what their doing Phil ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:48:24PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > At 10:41 PM 1/5/2008, you wrote: [that's me] > >You can buy the Asus EEE PC for $299, and it already comes with > >OpenOffice.org. > > > >It isn't as cool--no portable charger, no sunlight mode, and so forth, but > >it's closer to what you want. > Part of this is believing in the project of putting a $100 laptop in > the hands of kids in the third world. Fair enough, but ... > BTW, there's a real difference between $100 and $299 The OLPC XO costs $280 for non-governments at last report (in quantities under 1000). Okay, I looked it up. That program is now over, ending 31 December of 2007. Now you cannot buy them at all, apparently. http://laptopgiving.org/en/faq.php -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mount dvd error
Hi, I tried to mount a dvd drive and got an error, is it correct file sytem type? what is wrong to the mount command? $ mount -t udf /dev/hdc /media/disk mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so Thank you. Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
Scott Gifford wrote: phillinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? You can get images of XO to run in a virtual machine to check it out and hack on yourself. I don't remember where I got mine, but I found it easily from their Web site. If you're looking for company, the IBM 'developerworks site is involved and writing python and other programming tutorials to suit. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
phillinux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? You can get images of XO to run in a virtual machine to check it out and hack on yourself. I don't remember where I got mine, but I found it easily from their Web site. Good luck, -Scott. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
phillinux wrote: At 10:41 PM 1/5/2008, you wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? > > I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for > secondary school students. I would need to get a lightweight version > of open office running on that machine. Why O.O.? If you're looking for a small config., why not go for individual apps like Abiword and Gnumeric? Why take on the bloat of O.O.? These two apps would handle a large part of any study requirement, before looking for anything else you may need. Presentations? If you need that? - Scribus? Drawing? - Inkscape/Xfig? With a classroom situation, you're probably better off with thin clients working off a central server. Have Postgresql sitting on that so that database facility isn't required on each machine. Debian-edu has a full spectrum of packages to assist in this sort of scenario. Also applications such as this: http://packages.debian.org/etch/italc-client ...could do with a look. > I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: > 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI Why O.O.? or > 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? Fluxbox works in light situations. > > Does any of this make sense or is this a pipe dream? I don't see why it's unachievable. First the dream, with the intermediate step of positive action, to reach the final goal. Take a good honest look at the dream first though. The school bully/dope dealer/alcoholic parent (with OLPC, we're generally looking at third world, with all the socio/psychological aspects that go with that) could wind up with ownership of the laptop. With learning - either regional-isolated over the net, or within the classic classroom aspect, some measure of control in minimising loss is provided. The journey between home and school has always presented problems where the portable property factor exists. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? > > I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for secondary > school students. I would need to get a lightweight version of open office > running on that machine. > > Is the XO GUI Python based?? > Could Open Office run on it?? > DSL uses a lightweight GUI. Could that run on an OX and could it support > OpenOffice?? > > I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: > 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI or > 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? Which is more possible? Too many factors involved to answer. So back up. what allows Oo.o to run on your linux box now? An X-windows system. You don't even need a window manager. So, does the XO have X? If so, and provided other minimum dependencies are met, then yes you could run Oo.o on it. You might have better success with some other, more lightweight apps though: abiword, gnumeric, etc. And, what allows guis and apps to be built for a particular kernel? Well, they're not built for the kernel, more like built for a particular libc, but we'll ignore that part. What is needed to build anything for a particular system is a compiler and development headers for the various libraries used. Seeing as some apps have been ported to the XO, that makes it a pretty good bet that there is a compiler and the requisite libraries available. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
At 10:41 PM 1/5/2008, you wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? > > I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for > secondary school students. I would need to get a lightweight version > of open office running on that machine. > > Is the XO GUI Python based?? > Could Open Office run on it?? > DSL uses a lightweight GUI. Could that run on an OX and could it > support OpenOffice?? > > I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: > 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI or > 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? > > Does any of this make sense or is this a pipe dream? You can buy the Asus EEE PC for $299, and it already comes with OpenOffice.org. It isn't as cool--no portable charger, no sunlight mode, and so forth, but it's closer to what you want. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! Part of this is believing in the project of putting a $100 laptop in the hands of kids in the third world. BTW, there's a real difference between $100 and $299 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hacking the OLPC XO
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:29:55PM -0500, phillinux wrote: > Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? > > I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for > secondary school students. I would need to get a lightweight version > of open office running on that machine. > > Is the XO GUI Python based?? > Could Open Office run on it?? > DSL uses a lightweight GUI. Could that run on an OX and could it > support OpenOffice?? > > I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: > 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI or > 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? > > Does any of this make sense or is this a pipe dream? You can buy the Asus EEE PC for $299, and it already comes with OpenOffice.org. It isn't as cool--no portable charger, no sunlight mode, and so forth, but it's closer to what you want. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VNC - I know, just not what I was expecting
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:27:18PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > I can get SSH/VNC to work on my debian machine. > > My question. How do I get the default screen to open up, or to get > something other than the 'blank' screen with a shell open. I don't understand. From a command line, you ssh to another box and get a command line. If you want to run an X app, use an xterm, ensure that you are forwarding X (just using ssh -X may work), then run the X app from that command line. The application will be running on the remote CPU (etc) but will use your Xorg and appear on your screen. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hacking the OLPC XO
Did anyone here work on the OLPC XO project??? I'm a teacher who would be interested in adapting the XO for secondary school students. I would need to get a lightweight version of open office running on that machine. Is the XO GUI Python based?? Could Open Office run on it?? DSL uses a lightweight GUI. Could that run on an OX and could it support OpenOffice?? I guess the question I'm asking is, which is more possible: 1. Getting Open Office to run on the existing XO OS & GUI or 2. Could another GUI and apps be built on the XO kernel?? Does any of this make sense or is this a pipe dream? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:30:55PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are > >still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990. > > Windows95 on 1990 floppies??? > Ain't quantum computing great? His wife can probably also get that pesky Gigabit Ethernet connection to ENIAC working too. :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 03:12:31PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > >>As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD- > >>Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch > >>more, just for fun... > > > >I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not only ability to read the > >files, but counts any otherwise silent errors as well. It also > >automates the reading every file process. > > > > Curious little program: none of my CD-R's are rated anygood. Use them > all the time. Maybe it has problems with the disk "ends". Clearly I'm a > user, not a developer. > I use it to check all my CD-Rs intended for backup before I consider them done. The program is supposed to be able to verify track layout to predict its readability by other drives, and the strength of the signal to predict its longevity. I've never seen cdck say a disk wasn't "anygood", just "excellent" or, I believe, "satisfactory". I tend to get "satisfactory" if I use a fast burn speed (e.g 16x) and "excellent" if I use a lower speed (e.g. 4x), even though the buffers are shown to never have been emptied. I wonder if the drive slowing down the burn to prevent a buffer under-run can cause problems that cdck can detect. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chown all files on a data drive
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:18:16AM +1100, Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> dave N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >I used to run Fedora and now all the files on my data drives are uid
> >500 and gid 500.
> >
> >Now under Debian the same user name and password I'd previously had
> >are uid 1000 and gid 1000. Though I can access the files on the drive
> >I can't do anything with them except as root.
> >
> >How can I rectify this? chown -R 1000:1000?
> >
> >This'll cause problems with the lost+found as well as any .Trash
> >folders, should I then change the uids and gids back?
>
> chown -R will work, but may be a little too indiscriminate.
>
> You can be more discriminating by find(1) and only changing the UID of
> files that are 500, and a GID of 500.
>
> $ find /path -uid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 chown 1000
> $ find /path -gid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 chgrp 1000
why not
$ find /path -uid 500 -exec chmod 1000 "{}" \;
I guess you will get 1 process for each file as it spawns it off ?
>
> You can combine all this into one command if all files with UID 500 also
> have a GID of 500, but if not, the above is safer leaving you to remap
> other IDs as you need to.
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Re: Terminal issues in fresh install
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 15:22:13 -0500, Peter Smerdon wrote: > Florian Kulzer writes: > > > Maybe the locale variables are not properly defined for root. What do > > you get if you run > > > > su - -c locale > > > > (Or log in as root on the console and check the "locale" output then. If > > you normally use "su" without the "-" option or "sudo" to do your root > > work then you will not necessarily notice a problem with root's own > > locale definitions.) > > I always use sudo to do everything. So your upgrading etc. is done with your normal user's locale settings, which seem to work. Comparing them to root's settings will hopefully give us a hint where the problem with the cronjobs lies. > su - -c locale gives me: > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media)% su - -c locale > Password: > LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 > LANGUAGE=en_CA:en_US:en_GB:en > LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_PAPER="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_NAME="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_ADDRESS="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_CA.UTF-8" > LC_ALL= > > This seems ok does it not? The only difference to the setup of your normal user seems to be LANGUAGE. Is there any reason that you reference the iso8859-1 locales there instead of the utf-8 ones? Were the iso8859-1 locales generated on your system? Check if they are listed by "locale -a". You could try to unset LANGUAGE for root and see if that stops the complaints of the cronjobs. (I have to admit that I am not even sure about the proper use of LANGUAGE since I have never had any reason to set it on my computers; I only use LANG.) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/05/08 15:00, David Brodbeck wrote: On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they fade over time. If that's the concern, why not copy the archived material to new media every five years or so? The discs aren't that expensive, and experience seems to suggest that the data is pretty safe for that time period. Keeping the current and previous copy would add another layer of safety -- two copies are unlikely to both get damaged in exactly the same spot. But since that's tedious and prone to forgetfulness (who remembers to copy -- possibly dozens of -- DVD's and CR-Rs to new media every FIVE years?), continuous/rotating backup to modern ultrahigh-density hard drives seems best for home and SOHO use. That's pretty much what I do. I archive some stuff to optical media, but it's mostly old software and TV program recordings -- stuff that's nice to have, but that I wouldn't be too hacked off if I lost. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chown all files on a data drive
dave N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I used to run Fedora and now all the files on my data drives are uid >500 and gid 500. > >Now under Debian the same user name and password I'd previously had >are uid 1000 and gid 1000. Though I can access the files on the drive >I can't do anything with them except as root. > >How can I rectify this? chown -R 1000:1000? > >This'll cause problems with the lost+found as well as any .Trash >folders, should I then change the uids and gids back? chown -R will work, but may be a little too indiscriminate. You can be more discriminating by find(1) and only changing the UID of files that are 500, and a GID of 500. $ find /path -uid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 chown 1000 $ find /path -gid 500 -print0 | xargs -0 chgrp 1000 You can combine all this into one command if all files with UID 500 also have a GID of 500, but if not, the above is safer leaving you to remap other IDs as you need to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VNC - I know, just not what I was expecting
I can get SSH/VNC to work on my debian machine. My question. How do I get the default screen to open up, or to get something other than the 'blank' screen with a shell open. Thanks. --- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ#: AIM#:YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: mutt and utf-8 (was: character encoding)
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 05:40:17PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:02:39PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 13:50:59 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > I've found that if I generate an utf-8 locale it messes up the little > > > arrows in mutt's index. > > > > Sometimes the locale settings do not get passed on to mutt correctly, > > depending on how mutt is started. I think the best test is to use "!" to > > run "locale" from within mutt. Does that show all settings are correct? > > > > > Also a lot of manpages don't show correctly. > > > > That could be a terminal or font problem (see below); sometimes, > > however, the manpages themselves are to blame. > > > > > I have to set LC_CTYPE to a non utf-8 locale. > > > > > > But I wonder if it is also the choice of console font. > > > > Try these simple tests: > > > > echo -e "\0303\0244" > > > > should give you an "ä" (lowercase a-umlaut) on a utf-8 terminal. If you > > see two characters instead it means that your terminal does not use > > utf-8. If you get one "placeholder" symbol, e.g. an empty square or a > > question mark, then your font does not provide the a-umlaut character. > > > > The a-umlaut is not a particularly fancy character, so you should also > > try this: > > > > echo -e "\0342\0224\0224\0342\0224\0200\0076" > > > > should give you "└─>" (mutt's arrow showing a reply in a thread). > I use urxvtd (a rxvt deamon), when I start a windows from rxvt (non deamon) > and > try echo -e "\0303\0244" I get the a-umlaut, then I start another window from > the urxvt window and try it I don't get the a-umlaut. I ran set | sort > > /tmp/1 and /tmp/2 from the working and the non working windows and the only > differences where > > _ > OLDPWD > PIPESTATUS > PWD > SHLVL > WINDOWID > > > locale gives me similar results in both windows? > > locale > LANG=en_AU.utf8 > LC_CTYPE="en_AU.utf8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_AU.utf8" > LC_TIME="en_AU.utf8" > LC_COLLATE="en_AU.utf8" > LC_MONETARY="en_AU.utf8" > LC_MESSAGES="en_AU.utf8" > LC_PAPER="en_AU.utf8" > LC_NAME="en_AU.utf8" > LC_ADDRESS="en_AU.utf8" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_AU.utf8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_AU.utf8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_AU.utf8" > LC_ALL= > found my problem, I have LC_ALL=c in /etc/profile I changed my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98-urxvtd to do an unset LC_ALL and it is working now. why do I have a LC_ALL=c (seem to remember) it is so that my apache and other services run under 'c' locale, I wonder if I still need this > > > > > > -- > > Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer > > Florian | > > > > signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Jan 5, 2008 1:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are > still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990. Uuuh, is that so? Windows95 was released on August 24, 1995. I remember the hype so much from that summer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows95 -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On 01/05/08 15:45, David Brodbeck wrote: [snip] My personal experience suggests the old 720K floppies were a lot more reliable than the 1.44 megabyte ones. I don't remember seeing many 720K drives or disks. Had a couple in a cheap NEC laptop from 1987, though. Also, I think both the media and the drives got less reliable as they got cheaper. Ain't that the truth... 5.25" 1.2 megabyte floppies were the worst, I think. There were serious interchange problems between 1.2 megabyte and 360K drives. That was true in the early (1984-1986) days, but after that the interop problems were resolved. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables!" unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Jan 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not those old IBM ones. Go figure. My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990. My personal experience suggests the old 720K floppies were a lot more reliable than the 1.44 megabyte ones. Also, I think both the media and the drives got less reliable as they got cheaper. 5.25" 1.2 megabyte floppies were the worst, I think. There were serious interchange problems between 1.2 megabyte and 360K drives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blind Debian Potential User
On 01/05/2008 11:57 AM, Shane D wrote: > Hello Debian Users, > > My name is Shane. I am new to the list. I am trying to install Debian > on an older laptop of mine so that I can use it for an Asterisk box. I > run a couple of radioshows, and need to take calls. > > Anyway, I am questing a way to install Debian with Speech. I do not > have a hardware synthesizer. I want a way of > (A) Being able to install debian with speech > (B) Having speech to use in the shell. > > I don't want to use a graphical interface once it is installed. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance. > > Shane > Hi Shane, While you await a knowledgeable reply, here's a list of debian packages in stable (Etch) to examine. I'm only familiar with flite, which is trivial to install and use on an old box. I use it for proof-reading sometimes, but it will read back text piped to it very nicely. Regards, Ralph ~$ apt-cache search speech |sort acroread-plugin-speech - This plugin enable the Read Out Loud feature in acroread apertium - Shallow-transfer machine translation engine brltty-flite - Access software for a blind person using a soft braille terminal cl-speech-dispatcher - Common Lisp interface to Speech Dispatcher cowsay - A configurable talking cow eflite - Festival-Lite based emacspeak speech server ekg - console Gadu Gadu client for UNIX systems emacspeak - speech output interface to Emacs emacspeak-ss - Emacspeak speech server for several synthesizers epos - Text-to-speech system espeak - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer espeak-data - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: speech data files festival-czech - Czech support for Festival speech synthesis system festival-dev - development kit for the Festival speech synthesis system festival-freebsoft-utils - Festival extensions and utilities festival - general multi-lingual speech synthesis system festival-te - This package provides the modules required to synthesize speech festlex-ifd - Italian support for Festival festlex-poslex - Part of speech lexicons and ngram from English festvox-ellpc11k - Castilian Spanish male speaker for Festival festvox-kallpc16k - American English male speaker for festival, 16khz sample rate festvox-kallpc8k - American English male speaker for festival, 8khz sample rate festvox-kdlpc16k - American English male speaker for festival, 16khz sample rate festvox-kdlpc8k - American English male speaker for festival, 8khz sample rate festvox-rablpc16k - British English male speaker for festival, 16khz sample rate festvox-rablpc8k - British English male speaker for festival, 8khz sample rate festvox-suopuhe-common - Common files for Festival Finnish speakers festvox-suopuhe-lj - Finnish female speaker for Festival festvox-suopuhe-mv - Finnish male speaker for festival festvox-te-nsk - This is Telugu male speaker for Festival flite1-dev - A small run-time speech synthesis engine - static libraries flite - A small run-time speech synthesis engine gpsdrive - Car navigation system gstreamer0.8-festival - Festival speech synthesis plugin for GStreamer gstreamer0.8-gsm - GSM plugin for GStreamer gstreamer0.8-speex - Speex plugin for GStreamer ihu - Qt VoIP softphone with an own, encrypted protocol jbofihe - A parser for the lojban language kmouth - a type-and-say KDE frontend for speech synthesizers ksayit - a frontend for the KDE Text-to-Speech system kttsd - a Text-to-Speech system for KDE kttsd-contrib-plugins - the KDE Text-to-Speech system libespeak1 - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: shared library libespeak-dev - A multi-lingual software speech synthesizer: development files libestools1.2-dev - Edinburgh Speech Tools Library - developer's libraries and docs libestools1.2 - Edinburgh Speech Tools Library libflite1 - a small run-time speech synthesis engine - shared libraries libgnome-speech3-dev - GNOME text-to-speech library (development headers) libgnome-speech3 - GNOME text-to-speech library libgsm1-dev - Development libraries for a GSM speech compressor libgsm1 - Shared libraries for GSM speech compressor libgsm-tools - User binaries for a GSM speech compressor libmythes-dev - simple thesaurus library (development files) libspeechd2 - Speech Dispatcher: Shared libraries libspeechd-dev - Speech Dispatcher: Development libraries and header files libspeex1 - The Speex Speech Codec libspeex-dev - The Speex Speech Codec libsphinx2-dev - speech recognition library - development kit libsphinx2g0 - speech recognition library libtime-human-perl - convert localtime() format to "speaking clock" time libtorch3c2 - State of the art machine learning library - runtime library libtorch3-dev - State of the art machine learning library - development files posixtestsuite - POSIX conformance test suite (dummy package) praat - program for speech analysis and synthesis python-speechd - Python interface to Speech Dispatcher recite - English text speech synthesizer screader - Screen reader using software or hardware sp
Re: tapes best for backup?
On 01/05/08 15:16, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: [snip] Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not those old IBM ones. Go figure. My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990. Windows95 on 1990 floppies??? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables!" unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On 01/05/08 15:00, David Brodbeck wrote: On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they fade over time. If that's the concern, why not copy the archived material to new media every five years or so? The discs aren't that expensive, and experience seems to suggest that the data is pretty safe for that time period. Keeping the current and previous copy would add another layer of safety -- two copies are unlikely to both get damaged in exactly the same spot. But since that's tedious and prone to forgetfulness (who remembers to copy -- possibly dozens of -- DVD's and CR-Rs to new media every FIVE years?), continuous/rotating backup to modern ultrahigh-density hard drives seems best for home and SOHO use. Leave the tapes at Iron Mountain to the companies that can afford it. Actually, prices of SATA-based SANs have come down far enough that we keep 7 years of transactional data on-line as well as on tape, because we get subpoena requests (lawyers wanting to know when some- one drove thru an E-ZPass lane) often enough that it got really tedious searching thru high-capacity tapes for a few dozen records. I actually think this is a good idea for any archival media, including tape. Tape can fail due to age when the binder breaks down -- I haven't seen this specifically with data tape, but I've seen 20 year old videotapes that were shedding iron oxide at a pretty distressing rate. The favored tape formats also change every few years and working drives for obsolete formats can be very hard to find. I ran across a stack of QIC-40 cartridges a while back and realized if I'd wanted what was on them, I'd have had a hard time. The drives were kind of flimsy and required a 5.25" floppy controller. Also the sync track was on the edge of the tape, exactly where it was most prone to damage. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables!" unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Why do you think DLTs are more reliable than optical media or hard drives? My experience with tapes in general (not DLTs) certainly does not predispose me towards that view, but I suppose DLTs could be "different". I've never had a CD or DVD go bad once it passed verification, and some of my cds are from the early 1990s (Kodak Photo CDs). I *have* had tapes in every format I've ever used, from 7-track up to DDS, go bad or be unreadable for other reasons. I've also had a lot of the *drives* go bad, which means I'd probably want two or three before storing anything important on the tape format. Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not those old IBM ones. Go figure. My wife keeps insisting that my Windows95 on those IBM floppies are still good. Let me give it a try. They are from 1990. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD- Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch more, just for fun... I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not only ability to read the files, but counts any otherwise silent errors as well. It also automates the reading every file process. Curious little program: none of my CD-R's are rated anygood. Use them all the time. Maybe it has problems with the disk "ends". Clearly I'm a user, not a developer. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Jan 5, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they fade over time. If that's the concern, why not copy the archived material to new media every five years or so? The discs aren't that expensive, and experience seems to suggest that the data is pretty safe for that time period. Keeping the current and previous copy would add another layer of safety -- two copies are unlikely to both get damaged in exactly the same spot. I actually think this is a good idea for any archival media, including tape. Tape can fail due to age when the binder breaks down -- I haven't seen this specifically with data tape, but I've seen 20 year old videotapes that were shedding iron oxide at a pretty distressing rate. The favored tape formats also change every few years and working drives for obsolete formats can be very hard to find. I ran across a stack of QIC-40 cartridges a while back and realized if I'd wanted what was on them, I'd have had a hard time. The drives were kind of flimsy and required a 5.25" floppy controller. Also the sync track was on the edge of the tape, exactly where it was most prone to damage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ATI X1600 Radeon Missing 1600x1050 Resolution After "fglrx" Upgrade
On 01/05/2008 02:04 PM, David Jantzen wrote: After reboot, my only usable resolution (1600x1050) is unavailable. Perhaps this item from the release notes: Known Issues - Connecting a display device that supports 1680x1050 to a system running Linux may result in a maximum display resolution of 1280x1024 only being available https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_712_linux.html#183417 -- Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse/keyboard not responding under Xorg
On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 12:16 +, michael wrote: > On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 15:51 +, michael wrote: > > I've not managed to define precisely when I get problems but I'm > > noticing > > the following symptoms and was wondering if some kind soul would help me > > debug what's going on in order to get to a solution? Thanks, Michael > > > > set-up: etch, gnome (eg gnome-core 2.14.3.6), metacity 2.14.5-4 and > > Dell/Logitech USB optical mouse (seems to work fine in WinXP), with > > nVidia graphics card/TwinView and 2 monitors (diff resolutions) > > > > symptoms (occasional and not sure how to repeat) > > > > a) double clicking won't select anything > > b) in evolution, clicking on a new message or folder has no effect > > c) the cursor (arrowhead) disappears - if I set prefs to show cursor by > > depressing 'CNTL' I get the moving rectangles but there's no cursor > > there) > > d) focus doesn't move to new window (as it should and usually does) > > > > I think the following is also a symptom but not 100% sure: > > e) doing ALT-TAB to move between windows does nothing on very first > > ALT-TAB > > > > If it's the keyboard that's failed then using I also cannot get Gnome > > menus (it selects the top level but nothing is shown) but can use the > > mouse to open more new app/windows and then at some pt the keyboard > > seems to be 'reset' such that it starts working again. > > > > I've tried KDE and that also has the keyboard not responding (eg if I > > try to switch desktops quickly then the keyboard stops responding) - > > opening the control centre and changing options in there appears to > > 'reset' the keyboard. > > > > Any thoughts either on what's going on or how to debug it to narrow > > down the issues? I've asked on the Debian mailing list but am still > > stuck. I've had this line in my xorg.conf re Mouse device: > > Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" > > although it's a USB mouse I'm using, but commenting it out I still see the > > same issues > > adding boot kernel option 'noapic' (as suggested on some fora) doesn't > help but if in Gnome I turn off Gnome (metacity?)'s "select windows when the mouse moves over them" option (and thus also turning off auto-raise) it *seems* to make the problem go away... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to determine current X focus?
Is there a tool that will o/p the current X application that is
accepting input ('focus')? It appears my problem with (intermittently)
un-responding USB mouse/keyboard (see 18 Dec 2007 posts) may be due to
loss of focus [1] and I wish to investigate this further.
[1] I come to this conclusion since if in Gnome I turn off Gnome
(metacity?)'s "select windows when the
mouse moves over them" option (and thus also turning off auto-raise) it
*seems* to make the problem go away
Thanks, Michael
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Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/05/08 06:25, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Really? I've been using the "native" ftp.nvidia.com driver with Debian for 3-4 years, without any breakage. but I get: The server at ftp.nvidia.com is taking too long to respond. repeatedly. Normal? My bad. It's ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86. In that directory is latest.txt, which tells you which file to download. Saw that via the links on the download page of nvidia.com. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Terminal issues in fresh install
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Maybe the locale variables are not properly defined for root. What do > you get if you run > > su - -c locale > > (Or log in as root on the console and check the "locale" output then. If > you normally use "su" without the "-" option or "sudo" to do your root > work then you will not necessarily notice a problem with root's own > locale definitions.) I always use sudo to do everything. su - -c locale gives me: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media)% su - -c locale Password: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_CA:en_US:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_CA.UTF-8" LC_ALL= This seems ok does it not? -- Peter Smerdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ATI X1600 Radeon Missing 1600x1050 Resolution After "fglrx" Upgrade
Hey All, I installed some upgrades yesterday to my testing/unstable installation. The relevant packages changed (as far as I understand) were: fglrx-control fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src Apt uninstalled my kernel module compiled for 3D support, and so I recompiled and installed again from the new source with m-a a-i fglrx After reboot, my only usable resolution (1600x1050) is unavailable. Even the Catalyst control center believes it's not there. Xorg.conf was unchanged, so I doubt that was it. Any ideas on the cause? Suggestions? I can certainly live without 3D support if the solution is to revert to the kernel module from Apt, although I'd need some direction on how to do that. Thanks! David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with mrxvt
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:55:27 -0800 "Kelly Clowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 5:45 AM, Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:55:27 +0200 > > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I am having a couple of serious problems with mrxvt which I was wondering > > > if someone knows how to fix. > > > > > > 1. With aptitude, when going between lines with the arrow keys, it seems > > > to mix up drawing the lines, so the highlighted line show one package and > > > the bottom window shows the description of another. Also I get double > > > lines, such as when opening the search window and going to the ok button > > > it is drawn bellow the previous ok instead of highlighting it (seems to > > > be an off by one error with the line numbers). > > > > > > > > > Turns out this is due to lack of utf-8 support in mrxvt, changing the en_US > > or he_IL locale solved the problem > > Or you could use the package "rxvt-unicode-ml" aka urxvt (multilingual) > I use rxvt-unicode but the tabs extension isn't compatible with compiz which I occasionally like and it takes 2-3 times more memory then mrxvt. Although my main issue is the tabs I like. May just go back to xterm with screen (Although it is missing a proper scrollbar). Couldn't find a good tabbed terminal. They are either way to heavy and kde/gnome relient (kterm, gnome-terminal, roxterminal), not compatible with compiz (urxvt with perl-tabs extension) or not compatible with vim/aptitude, i.e mrxvt. > > > 2. With vim, when I open it in console it seems to throw a few characters > > > at vim so if I press something it goes crazy, pressing arrow down deletes > > > a couple of lines and goes into insert mode, pressing 50gg will delete 50 > > > lines and go into insert mode, etc. > > > > > > > No solution here yet, this is not utf-8 related and I think also happens in > > other programs, in aptitude I see a delay and refresh when pressing arrow > > down for the first time which I am guessing is related to the same issue of > > some characters being sent the to program for some reason. > > > > Fixed some amd64 related warnings in the code also, but it didn't help. > > > > > > > Any ideas on what is causing this? I'm using the amd64 architecture (core > > > duo machine) with xfce. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Does this happen in, say, xterm? What about on the console (no X)? > What is the environmental variable TERM set to? > In every other terminal everything is OK. Also tried running it off some computer I have access to over the net (my machine in UNI) and it was fine. Tried purging and reinstalling mrxvt but it didn't help. Will try another user later on, but I'm guessing it is a 64bit issue (although I don't have another 64bit machine to test it on). TERM=rxvt tried changing it but it didn't help > > Cheers, > Kelly Clowers > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Jan 5, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD- Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch more, just for fun... I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not only ability to read the files, but counts any otherwise silent errors as well. It also automates the reading every file process. OK. There seems to be a "cdck" package in Debian Etch. If I get ambitious and test (some of) the other CD-Rs in that drawer, I'll use cdck for the tests. Don't hold your breath for results, but if I do it, I'll post anything I find here. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 1024x768 tiny hard to read
S> Try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config. The questions are quite simple... It just asks three questions, non having to do with sizes. I'm saying I what I want to do is like first issuing $ xrandr -s 1024x768 $ #and then now do what to make my monitor look just like I then issued $ #xrandr -s 800x600 $ #but by other means, i.e., changing the default size of all the $ #fonts applications (icewm, iceweasel, emacs, xterm) use. AG> What size is your screen and which Model and Manufacturer? 15 inch Sampo Tech Rad-5Q, placed 1 meter from me. If it were a laptop, then it would be much closer so 1024x768 would be fine, but it is 1 meter from me, so I want to make it look like 800x600 but still run in its Native Resolution of 1024x768, lest ugly phase problems, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_resolution Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE: how to change login screen ?
Hello, using KDE where can I change the login screen to display all available users ? I used to have such a login/password screen where also all users are display but lost this setup (sorry don't why / when this happens) and currently only have the latest logged user name displayed. Thanks for help. Bye, Bruno -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with mrxvt
On Jan 5, 2008 5:45 AM, Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:55:27 +0200 > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am having a couple of serious problems with mrxvt which I was wondering if > > someone knows how to fix. > > > > 1. With aptitude, when going between lines with the arrow keys, it seems to > > mix up drawing the lines, so the highlighted line show one package and the > > bottom window shows the description of another. Also I get double lines, > > such > > as when opening the search window and going to the ok button it is drawn > > bellow the previous ok instead of highlighting it (seems to be an off by one > > error with the line numbers). > > > > > Turns out this is due to lack of utf-8 support in mrxvt, changing the en_US or > he_IL locale solved the problem Or you could use the package "rxvt-unicode-ml" aka urxvt (multilingual) > > 2. With vim, when I open it in console it seems to throw a few characters at > > vim so if I press something it goes crazy, pressing arrow down deletes a > > couple of lines and goes into insert mode, pressing 50gg will delete 50 > > lines > > and go into insert mode, etc. > > > > No solution here yet, this is not utf-8 related and I think also happens in > other programs, in aptitude I see a delay and refresh when pressing arrow down > for the first time which I am guessing is related to the same issue of some > characters being sent the to program for some reason. > > Fixed some amd64 related warnings in the code also, but it didn't help. > > > > Any ideas on what is causing this? I'm using the amd64 architecture (core > > duo > > machine) with xfce. > > > > Thanks > > > > Does this happen in, say, xterm? What about on the console (no X)? What is the environmental variable TERM set to? Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: So I guess, for me, only from personal experience, I'd have to say that the most reliable, longest lived, backup media has to be IBM floppies. Of course, the 7 GB backup would take 5120 floppies which would more than pay for a new LTO drive. Progress. Yep! And I take the implicit point about personal experience too, of course. While the DLTs are "rated" for 30 years, some of the gold archival DVDs are "rated" for 200 (and also some of the archival CDs I was using before that). I wish my experience with floppies were that good; the Microsoft floppies with my original copy of the Microsoft Font Pack for Windows 3.whatever was unreadable when I tried it a couple of years back. -- David Dyer-Bennet, [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
s. keeling wrote: David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: s. keeling wrote: I've never run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few old ones. DVD, I would expect to be even better. For me, tape's Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for the obvious reasons -- smaller physical bit representations, packed Because it's newer technology which ought to have incorporated lessons learned from the CD history. Perhaps that's wishful thinking. Ah; well, perhaps it is, but it's not *crazy* I don't think, either. I feel like it's not really "new" tech, since it's so very similar to CD-R. To me it feels like old tech pushed very hard to achieve the much higher densities. The disk layering and the dyes are to the best of my knowledge *very* similar. -- David Dyer-Bennet, [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 02:53:45AM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > As a registered pack-rat, I've got a drawer full of similar old CD- > Rs. If I get ambitious and I've got some free time, I'll try a bunch > more, just for fun... I wonder what cdck would show. It tests not only ability to read the files, but counts any otherwise silent errors as well. It also automates the reading every file process. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:43:00AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for > the obvious reasons -- smaller physical bit representations, packed > tighter. Also we don't have as much experience with it, so I take what > information we *do* have with larger quantities of salt. Don't DVDs have the physical media sandwitched between two layers of plastic? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DVD-1.iso: How can I write into DVD-R?
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:07:40PM -0800, wathavy wathavy wrote: [snip problems burning DVD image to DVD] > Do you have any suggestion on obtaining 4.0r2 DVD-1 iso image file? > Especially for free ISO image extractor, other than CDBurnerXP? Thank > you for your patience and your attention. To ensure that the file you download is correct, you need to verify the md5 sum. I've never used window so can't help with that, nor with your burner app. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tapes best for backup?
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 12:46:11AM -0600, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > Why do you think DLTs are more reliable than optical media or hard > drives? My experience with tapes in general (not DLTs) certainly does > not predispose me towards that view, but I suppose DLTs could be > "different". > I've never had a CD or DVD go bad once it passed verification, and some > of my cds are from the early 1990s (Kodak Photo CDs). I *have* had > tapes in every format I've ever used, from 7-track up to DDS, go bad or > be unreadable for other reasons. I've also had a lot of the *drives* go > bad, which means I'd probably want two or three before storing anything > important on the tape format. > I started this thread on debian-user after a thread on OpenBSD berated someone for relying on CD/DVDs for backups and archives because they fade over time. Their attitude is that tape is still the only viable medium for long-term storage. They also said that hard drives kept off-line get "bit rot" while if left on-line they are at risk of the same power surge and most other threats to which is the main data. I observed that, based on what I see on e.g ibm's website that the trend in enterprise stuff is toward virtual tape libraries that are really a bunch of hard disks that appear to the network and its apps as if it were a tape library. The answer was that those are purchased by crazy managers. So I've been specifically asking about archives. Sure, if you keep backing-up the same data, you continually get feedback if the media is getting flaky. The answer on DU seems to be that while some sites use tape, others just keep everything on line and for off-site backup, the data goes somewhere else where it is also kept on-line. I.e. why bother archiving? DLT and LTO are supposed to be guaranteed for 30 years. DDS for about 10 years. We haven't had DVDs that long. We haven't had USB sticks that long. Hard drives that right now are 10 years old are considered unreliable. Then again, tape drives don't last that long and the practice seems to be that if you really need to archive data for 30 years, to store a new-but-tested drive or two with the backup tapes. The only personal experience I have had with computer tapes is my Irwin/IBM QIC-80 100 MB that I bought with my first computer (IBM PS/2 386). I have had those tapes fail but only noticed when writing. The only time I needed that backup was when the 386's motherboard warped like a cookie sheet in the oven (room temp 35 C, we had no A/C). I bought my IBM 486, put the tape drive in it (after convincing IBM to give me an adapter to allow me to connect the drive) and did a restore. When I moved from OS/2 to Linux, the QIC isn't supported so I switched to ZIP disks and they have always worked. Interestingly enough, I can still use the IBM floppies that an old version of OS/2 came on in 1988. I've had new floppies fail but not those old IBM ones. Go figure. So I guess, for me, only from personal experience, I'd have to say that the most reliable, longest lived, backup media has to be IBM floppies. Of course, the 7 GB backup would take 5120 floppies which would more than pay for a new LTO drive. Progress. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: menu size in Enlightenment
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 10:44:47AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > I tried out Enlightenment yesterday out of curiosity but the menu size > on my 1600x1200 display was so small it was unusable. Googling didn't > reveal any way to enlarge it. Is there one? > > I expect I'll go back to Icewm anyway, as I always do, but I thought I;d > ask ... I haven't played with Enlightnment much, as I usually use Icewm too. Since the docs are all embedded, the info has to be there. Try running the main help thingy. Do you have tool-tips enabled where you get a cartoon bubble popping up whenever you leave the mouse still? I find I use Icewm because of the button bar: I can just click on the icon for the app I want to start. I haven't figured out how to do that for Enlightenment and I don't want to have to click to get a menu to then click off of. What do you do? If you still can't find your answer to Enlightenment, let me know and I'll fire it up and see what I can find. Its installed (but not default) on the other computer. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE : Re: Kernel issues due to identical network cards
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 01:11:41PM +0100, David MAGNY wrote: > --- "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a ?crit > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:06:31PM +0100, David > > MAGNY wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am upgrading a firewall from Sarge to Etch. > > > > > > On this machine, I have 3 network cards. > > > > > > 2 networks cards are identical. It is PCI network > > > cards and it is SMC1233A-TX. > > > > > > On Sarge, everything worked well. > > > > > > The issue is that only one card of both is > > available. > > > > What exactly does this line mean? Do you mean that > > of the two identical > > cards, only one is available? > > Yes, only one is available > > so at least you know that the kernel is finding the > > card. > > [snip dmesg that shows all three cards] > > This suggests that eth0 is the intel card, while > > eth1 and eth2 are the > > two ADMtek comets. > > Yes you are right. But, I use ifrename (/etc/iftab) in > order to be sure that a network interface has always > the same name when I restart the server. > > if my /etc/iftab I mention that, > ethO is one of ADMtek comet > eth1 is the intel card > eth2 is the other ADMtek card > > and in fact eth2 is not available. > > What if you don't use iftab? If, as a test, you just go ahead and set up all three cards? Does /sbin/ifconfig then show three cards configured? If so, then dmesg and the kernel are just fine, the problem is in ifrename. I've never needed ifrename so I don't know about it. > > > What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? > #eth0 is connected to Internet > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address X.X.X.X > netmask X.X.X.X > network X.X.X.X > broadcast X.X.X.X > gateway X.X.X.X > > #eth1 is connected to the private network > auto eth1 > iface eth1 inet static > address 192.168.0.254 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.0.0 > broadcast 192.168.0.255 > > #eth2 is connected to the DMZ > auto eth2 > iface eth2 inet static > address 192.168.2.254 > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network 192.168.2.0 > broadcast 192.168.2.255 > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blind Debian Potential User
Hello Debian Users, My name is Shane. I am new to the list. I am trying to install Debian on an older laptop of mine so that I can use it for an Asterisk box. I run a couple of radioshows, and need to take calls. Anyway, I am questing a way to install Debian with Speech. I do not have a hardware synthesizer. I want a way of (A) Being able to install debian with speech (B) Having speech to use in the shell. I don't want to use a graphical interface once it is installed. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance. Shane -- -Shane Blog: http://blind-geek.com/blog/ CoOwner: http://sjtechzone.com AIM: inhaddict Skype: chatter8712 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian branches and when a packet is moved from testing to stable
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:42:48AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:17:32AM +0100, Arnau Rebassa i Villalonga wrote: > > I've been searching some info about the different Debian's branches > > and the policy followed to move one package from SID->testing->stable > > but I haven't found this info. I guess it's explained somewhere in the > > Debian's site but I couldn't found it, any hint? ;) > > > > It probably is documented somewhere on the website, but for reference, > it is in the debian-reference chapter 2.1 section 3, 4, and 5. > > To answer your question, Sid is the unstable section. This is where > active development goes on (or is that Experimental?). There are some AFAIK experimental is just for developers to test packages not suitable for unstable. It's not even a full branch. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: tapes best for backup?
David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > I've never run across a CD I couldn't still read, and I've a few > > old ones. DVD, I would expect to be even better. For me, tape's > > Why would you expect DVD to be better? I'd expect it to be worse, for > the obvious reasons -- smaller physical bit representations, packed Because it's newer technology which ought to have incorporated lessons learned from the CD history. Perhaps that's wishful thinking. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chown all files on a data drive
Chris Howie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Jan 5, 2008 6:54 AM, dave N < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I used to run Fedora and now all the files on my data drives are uid 500 and gid 500. As root I've set the permissions for the drive (loaded under /share/other) to be owned by root but the group to be users. this didn't get recursively filtered down. Now under Debian the same user name and password I'd previously had are uid 1000 and gid 1000. Though I can access the files on the drive I can't do anything with them except as root. How can I rectify this? chown -R 1000:1000? This'll cause problems with the lost+found as well as any .Trash folders, should I then change the uids and gids back? I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish. If you want everyone to have access to the drive you can do something like: # chown -R root:root /share/other # chmod -R o+rwX /share/other If you only want your user account to have access then something like: # chown -R youruser /share/other # chown root:root /share/other # chown root:root /share/other/lost+found Chris Howie Thanks Chris. Why would I leave the owner and group of all of the files and folders as root? Why not root:users? Should the lost+found remain root:root and u -rw g-rw. There aren't many / any executable files so I'm not too worried about playing with the execute bit. This is only a single user machine but I have another that I am switching over to Debian which will have a couple users, same group, and access to the same files. Dave
Re: mouse foibles
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I have a sid box with 2 videocards/monitors/keyboards/mice. from gdm.conf: ... [server-Standard] name=Standard server command=/usr/bin/X1 :0 -layout X1 -dpi 110 -deferglyphs 16 -isolateDevice \"PCI:0:10:0\" vt7 # Definition of the second X server. [server-2nd] name=2nd server command=/usr/bin/X0 :1 -layout X0 -dpi 110 -deferglyphs 16 -isolateDevice \"PCI:1:0:0\" -sharevts ... Only the tube on vt7 can have vt textconsoles *and* can use gpm. The corresponding xorg.conf entries are: ... Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "evdev" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5" # (cat /proc/bus/input/devices) Option "Name" "A4Tech USB Optical Mouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7 4 5" Option "Buttons" "12" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse1" Driver "evdev" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event6" # (cat /proc/bus/input/devices) Option "Name" "A4Tech USB Optical Mouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7 4 5" Option "Buttons" "12" EndSection ... My problem is that when the tube on vt7 switches to a vt testconsole and uses the mouse *even though gpm has been stopped*, the mouse cursor on the second monitor starts to move! I have 2 questions: 1. Is there a textconsole function for copying/pasting similar to gpm for the *keyboard*? 2. Whose bug is this? Since I assume this is erroneous behavior. Can't be gpm because that isn't running. When it runs it behaves normal. This problem got resolved by installing the latest legacy ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01 and changing file /usr/src/nv/nv-linux.h line 529 to have one less NULL parameter. I also had to change my xorg.conf to use "Device" for the keyboards instead of "Phys". That legacy driver runs well with the latest Xorg 7.3 from Sid and the latest kernel 2.6.23-1-686. BTW I never got 'nv' to run with that: the keyboards wouldn't work. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to wifi with ipw3945 on Dell Vostro ???
Kelly Anderson 16:38 Fri 04 Jan Thought I'd throw in a suggestion that you look into the iwlwifi driver. Intel has moved on to the next "best thing". The iwl driver doesn't require the stupid daemon (a big step). And my initial impression is that it will probably support WEP/WPA more effectively. I haven't used WEP/WPA with it yet but it's on my agenda. I haven't had any issues since I switched from iwp to iwlwifi. http://intellinuxwireless.org/ I got iwlwifi to work, and it works well enough with wpasupplicant and ifupdown. THe only odd thing (and maybe you have a fix) is that it will not turn in the wireless LED the way the older drive did. But the system beeps do reassure me (and annoy my wife) that it is operating and connected . -- Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come. -- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Terminal issues in fresh install
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:31:04 -0500, Peter Smerdon wrote: > Florian Kulzer writes: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 15:05:10 -0500, Peter Smerdon wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> Hi, I too have some issue with UTF-8, although I can install and remove > >> software without a problem, my logs get filled with perl warnings about > >> locales. > > > > If you want help with that then we need to see the warning messages. > > from logcheck: > Security Events > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > and from cron: > /etc/cron.daily/man-db: > mandb: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct > > I have screen running in utf8 mode now, and with Emacs/gnus reading my > mail I can use nice glyphs to display threading, and software still > installs or updates despite these warnings so I am not worried too much > about it anymore, its more of an annoyance than anything. Maybe the locale variables are not properly defined for root. What do you get if you run su - -c locale (Or log in as root on the console and check the "locale" output then. If you normally use "su" without the "-" option or "sudo" to do your root work then you will not necessarily notice a problem with root's own locale definitions.) -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: chown all files on a data drive
(Sorry if you get this twice Dave, I didn't reply to the list. Second time I've done that today... sigh...) On Jan 5, 2008 6:54 AM, dave N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to run Fedora and now all the files on my data drives are uid 500 > and gid 500. > > As root I've set the permissions for the drive (loaded under /share/other) > to be owned by root but the group to be users. this didn't get recursively > filtered down. > > Now under Debian the same user name and password I'd previously had are > uid 1000 and gid 1000. Though I can access the files on the drive I can't do > anything with them except as root. > > How can I rectify this? chown -R 1000:1000? > > This'll cause problems with the lost+found as well as any .Trash folders, > should I then change the uids and gids back? > I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish. If you want everyone to have access to the drive you can do something like: # chown -R root:root /share/other # chmod -R o+rwX /share/other If you only want your user account to have access then something like: # chown -R youruser /share/other # chown root:root /share/other # chown root:root /share/other/lost+found -- Chris Howie http://www.chrishowie.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Crazycomputers
Re: strange Shorewall entry
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 08:57:45PM -0500, Chris Howie wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 12:24 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I feel a little better seing as its related to HP, but why was it > > fw2net? > > > > I don't know how the internals of browsers work and the download did > > complete just fine. Since I was on HP's site, I didn't stop andd read > > what the link targets were with each download. Can a link point to a > > port number and not just a URL and have the browser request a file from > > a specific port (i.e. not 80 for http or whatever it is for ftp)? > > > > Yes, e.g. http://www.example.com:8030/ > > It could also have been a browser plugin, JavaScript... who knows. All plug-ins, JavaScript, etc, disabled on my normal Konqueror browser. I save my Iceweasel in the i386 chroot for that (and flash). Thanks, Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I am getting an X server crash after upgrading xorg on Sid to 7.3: Just to report back: I resolved this by installing: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/ I had to change 1 item to enable running it on 2.6.23-1-686: line 529 should be: of usr/src/nv/nv-linux.h -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
On 01/05/08 08:40, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I am getting an X server crash after upgrading xorg on Sid to 7.3: Just to report back: I resolved this by installing: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/ I had to change 1 item to enable running it on 2.6.23-1-686: line 529 should be: kmem_cache = kmem_cache_create(name, sizeof(type), \ 0, 0, NULL);\ What file? That solved the problem of the backleveled ABI *and* the moving cursor that I reported in: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/12/msg01932.html Thanks everyone for offering suggestions. In the meantime I took Ron Johnson's suggestion and asked my daughter to bring me 2 GeForce series 6 cards, when she comes down. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables!" unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
On 01/05/08 06:25, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Really? I've been using the "native" ftp.nvidia.com driver with Debian for 3-4 years, without any breakage. but I get: The server at ftp.nvidia.com is taking too long to respond. repeatedly. Normal? My bad. It's ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86. In that directory is latest.txt, which tells you which file to download. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables!" unknown -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, I am getting an X server crash after upgrading xorg on Sid to 7.3: Just to report back: I resolved this by installing: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.01/ I had to change 1 item to enable running it on 2.6.23-1-686: line 529 should be: kmem_cache = kmem_cache_create(name, sizeof(type), \ 0, 0, NULL);\ That solved the problem of the backleveled ABI *and* the moving cursor that I reported in: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/12/msg01932.html Thanks everyone for offering suggestions. In the meantime I took Ron Johnson's suggestion and asked my daughter to bring me 2 GeForce series 6 cards, when she comes down. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Terminal issues in fresh install
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 15:05:10 -0500, Peter Smerdon wrote: > > [...] > >> Hi, I too have some issue with UTF-8, although I can install and remove >> software without a problem, my logs get filled with perl warnings about >> locales. > > If you want help with that then we need to see the warning messages. from logcheck: Security Events =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Setting locale failed. and from cron: /etc/cron.daily/man-db: mandb: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct I have screen running in utf8 mode now, and with Emacs/gnus reading my mail I can use nice glyphs to display threading, and software still installs or updates despite these warnings so I am not worried too much about it anymore, its more of an annoyance than anything. Thank you for helping! -- Peter Smerdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with mrxvt
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:55:27 +0200 Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am having a couple of serious problems with mrxvt which I was wondering if > someone knows how to fix. > > 1. With aptitude, when going between lines with the arrow keys, it seems to > mix up drawing the lines, so the highlighted line show one package and the > bottom window shows the description of another. Also I get double lines, such > as when opening the search window and going to the ok button it is drawn > bellow the previous ok instead of highlighting it (seems to be an off by one > error with the line numbers). > Turns out this is due to lack of utf-8 support in mrxvt, changing the en_US or he_IL locale solved the problem > 2. With vim, when I open it in console it seems to throw a few characters at > vim so if I press something it goes crazy, pressing arrow down deletes a > couple of lines and goes into insert mode, pressing 50gg will delete 50 lines > and go into insert mode, etc. > No solution here yet, this is not utf-8 related and I think also happens in other programs, in aptitude I see a delay and refresh when pressing arrow down for the first time which I am guessing is related to the same issue of some characters being sent the to program for some reason. Fixed some amd64 related warnings in the code also, but it didn't help. > Any ideas on what is causing this? I'm using the amd64 architecture (core duo > machine) with xfce. > > Thanks > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tzdata on Lenny and Etch
Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, On Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 13:06:25 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: Hello, I have 2 servers : Debian i386 Etch Debian i386 Lenny and both use ntp to synchronize time and configured on the same timezone Europe/Roma and use same time servers, but on Etch the time is 7 minutes behind server with Lenny. On the server with Lenny time is correct. Where is the problem ? that more sounds like a ntp problem than a tzdata problem. Are yo sure ntpd is running on both machines correctly? eg. do you see offset syncing? Greetings Martin Hello Marting the problem was in ntp.conf. I removed "dynamic" from ntp servers definition and now time is ok I replaced server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic with server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst Thank you. Regards Georgi Naplatanov -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problems with mrxvt
I am having a couple of serious problems with mrxvt which I was wondering if someone knows how to fix. 1. With aptitude, when going between lines with the arrow keys, it seems to mix up drawing the lines, so the highlighted line show one package and the bottom window shows the description of another. Also I get double lines, such as when opening the search window and going to the ok button it is drawn bellow the previous ok instead of highlighting it (seems to be an off by one error with the line numbers). 2. With vim, when I open it in console it seems to throw a few characters at vim so if I press something it goes crazy, pressing arrow down deletes a couple of lines and goes into insert mode, pressing 50gg will delete 50 lines and go into insert mode, etc. Any ideas on what is causing this? I'm using the amd64 architecture (core duo machine) with xfce. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PREEMPT kernel with nvidia
On Friday 04 January 2008 09:16, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 00:31:26 +1000, Paul Andreassen wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 January 2008 02:44, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 23:25:47 +1000, Paul Andreassen wrote: > > > > Is it possible to have a PREEMPT kernel while using the closed source > > > > nVidia driver? > > > > > > > > I've compiled the stable kernel 2.6.18 and the backported kernel > > > > 2.6.22, and both kill random programs. Its strange because it some > > > > times kills the game I'm running, sometime faults on boot up and once > > > > gcc actually died. > > > > > > Such sporadic problems can be caused by faulty hardware. (bad RAM, > > > power supply instability, insufficient cooling, ...) GCC for example > > > can sometimes function as a sort of CPU-and-memory-stress-tester. > > > > > > Can you run your system (same load) on the "nv" driver without > > > problems? Did you test this for a sufficiently long time so that you > > > can be sure that the crashes only happen with the nvidia driver? > > > > Hi Florian, > > > > That's what I can't understand. The default Debian kernel 2.6.18 without > > PREEMPT works fine. > > > > Is it possible the PREEMPT option would bring to the surface faulty > > hardware that non PREEMPT could handle? > > I would not rule out something like that, but I do not dare to make a > guess how likely it is. GCC crashing the system seems suspicious to me > since that should not involve any fancy graphics stuff. I pretty sure it my memory. I removed my old 2*512M modules and the computer didn't fault. I put them back and enabled the BIOS option for "Flexibility Option". Its something to do with allowing miss matched modules. The 2*1G are slower then the 2*512M. Seems ok but will have to try it a few days to be sure. > > On Wednesday 02 January 2008 00:50, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/sdb1$ uname -a > > > Linux debian 2.6.23-1-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 9 10:02:52 CST 2007 > > > i686 GNU/Linux > > > > So I can conclude it is most likely a hardware problem on my end. > > You can try memtest and lm-sensors if your hardware is supported. > Unfortunately memtest is only conclusive if it reports errors; if it > succeeds it still does not guarantee that your RAM is completely OK. > > It might also be worthwhile to play around with certain nvidia options, > e.g. turning off RenderAccel or changing the AGP configuration. I've run memtest before even posting these emails and it didn't report any errors. I hope I've got it fixed now. Fingers crossed. Thanks, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weird udev behaviour
Here is some more data. I attached the output of "udevtest /class/input/mice" from a box that shows this error, and from a box that does not. (The configurations are completely different, but the package versions and the relevant udev rules are the same.) The relevant difference seems to be this: Good run: --- udev_rules_get_name: rule applied, 'mice' becomes 'input/mice' udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/input/mice', major=13, minor=63, mode=0660, uid=0, gid=0 -- Bad run: udev_rules_get_name: no node name set, will use kernel name '' udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/mice', major=13, minor=63, mode=0 --- It says that the kernel name is ''. It's strange. What is it not 'mice'? And if it's '', then why is the node called /dev/mice? udevinfo --export-db | grep mice gives this: P: /class/input/mice N: mice It seems to me that this might be a problem in udev, or in the communication between the kernel and udev. Which is strange, since neither udev, nor the kernel was updated lately. (libc6 was, but it should not introduce such grave errors...) Any ideas? How can I debug this further? Kristof Csillag Csillag Kristof wrote: > Dear all, > > > On some of my machines, udev started to act strangely lately. > > > It created all the device files in the root of the /dev directory, > > instead of the normal places. > > > (Instead of /dev/input/mice, I get /dev/mice; instead of /dev/snd/* I > get /dev/*, etc.) > > > Of course, this breaks a lot of things. > > > I have no idea what caused this. > > I am running an etch/sid hybrid. > > > I did not update udev lately. > > > Unfortunately, I do not use apt-listchanges on this box, so I can not > tell exactly > > which packages were upgradet lately, but I am sure the change happened > > in the last few (say, 3) days. > > > I have never seen this problem before. > > Could you please give me some ideas what can be wrong? > > > Thank you for your help: > > > Kristof Csillag > > > > This program is for debugging only, it does not run any program, specified by a RUN key. It may show incorrect results, because some values may be different, or not available at a simulation run. parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/025_libsane-extras.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/035_kino.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/11-hplj10xx.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/88-ltsp.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp7.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-input.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z50_run.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z55_hotplug.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_hdparm.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_ltspfsd.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z99_hal.rules' as rules file main: looking at device '/class/input/mice' from subsystem 'input' udev_rules_get_name: no node name set, will use kernel name '' udev_db_get_device: found a symlink as db file udev_device_event: device '/class/input/mice' already in database, cleanup udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/mice', major=13, minor=63, mode=0660, uid=0, gid=0 main: run: 'socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event' This program is for debugging only, it does not run any program, specified by a RUN key. It may show incorrect results, because some values may be different, or not available at a simulation run. parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/025_libgphoto2.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/11-hplj10xx.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp7.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-input.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent.rules' as rules file parse_file: reading '/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.ru
Re: Anyone run nvidia driver + latest xorg 7.3?
Ron Johnson wrote: On 01/04/08 10:12, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 09:59 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 06:45 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I conclude that this is perhaps due to the DRI being loaded and/or running the latest binary from Nvidia. However I never had an issue running the latest sid xorg with the latest debian nvidia glx. Thanks Damon. If you run the latest Sid nvidia driver that would be version 100.14.19 which came out 09/18/07 As I told Ron, I have to use the 96xx legacy series because of the cards that I have. nv really does not compare with nvidia. my multi-seat users need X. I guess I am looking for new videocards. Hugo Hugo, I think you mis-understand: I run nvidia as a driver. I just don't use the Nvidia installer from Nvidia. I use modual assistant to make the drivers as per that link I sent. Try it. However, I know from supporting RHEL that if you use the Nvidia installer, it is well known to break things as it installs files where ever it wants to. You will Really? I've been using the "native" ftp.nvidia.com driver with Debian for 3-4 years, without any breakage. but I get: The server at ftp.nvidia.com is taking too long to respond. repeatedly. Normal? The only thing I have to remember is to symlink libglx.so.169.04 to libglx.so whenever xserver-xorg-core is updated. $ ls -1l libglx.so* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Dec 31 03:03 libglx.so -> libglx.so.169.04 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 763496 Dec 3 22:25 libglx.so.169.04 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 429010 Dec 21 18:43 libglx.so.software have to insure all parts of it are installed. I once read a posting from a RH employee/devoloper how it breaks things (and hence will not be supported by RH if sysreport shows it is installed) but the details are forgotten. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: tzdata on Lenny and Etch
Hi, On Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 13:06:25 +0200, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > Hello, I have 2 servers : > > Debian i386 Etch > Debian i386 Lenny > > and both use ntp to synchronize time and configured on the same timezone > Europe/Roma and use same time servers, but on Etch the time is 7 minutes > behind server with Lenny. > > On the server with Lenny time is correct. > > Where is the problem ? that more sounds like a ntp problem than a tzdata problem. Are yo sure ntpd is running on both machines correctly? eg. do you see offset syncing? Greetings Martin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# man real-life No manual entry for real-life -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE : Re: Kernel issues due to identical network cards
--- "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 11:06:31PM +0100, David > MAGNY wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am upgrading a firewall from Sarge to Etch. > > > > On this machine, I have 3 network cards. > > > > 2 networks cards are identical. It is PCI network > > cards and it is SMC1233A-TX. > > > > On Sarge, everything worked well. > > > > The issue is that only one card of both is > available. > > What exactly does this line mean? Do you mean that > of the two identical > cards, only one is available? Yes, only one is available > > > The used kernel is 2.6.18. > > > > Within the dmesg log file, I have the following > > information : > > > > > I noticed that the two identical network cards are > > detected : > > > > eth1: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001c800, > > 00:50:BF:B0:CB:4B, IRQ 217. > > ACPI: PCI Interrupt :03:0d.0[A] -> GSI 49 > (level, > > low) -> IRQ 225 > > tulip1: MII transceiver #1 config 1000 status > 786d > > advertising 05e1. > > eth2: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001cc00, > > 00:50:BF:B7:F2:79, IRQ 225. > > > > I added the following parameters to the kernel > > pci=irprouting, and I always have the same issue. > > You also have this (culled from your dmesg) > > > e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 > Network > > Connection > > usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 > > Vendor: ATA Model: WDC WD800AAJS-18 Rev: > 01.0 > > Type: Direct-Access ANSI > SCSI > > revision: 05 > > ACPI: PCI Interrupt :03:0c.0[A] -> GSI 53 > (level, > > low) -> IRQ 217 > > tulip0: MII transceiver #1 config 1000 status > 786d > > advertising 05e1. > > so at least you know that the kernel is finding the > card. > > I don't like the 2.6 dmesg with messages from > different modules being > intermixed. Since I don't know the kernel > internals, its hard for me to > tell what line belongs to which device if it doesn't > start with a device > node. So, in this case, I don't know if the third > line (usb 1-1...) > relates to the problem or not. > > This suggests that eth0 is the intel card, while > eth1 and eth2 are the > two ADMtek comets. Yes you are right. But, I use ifrename (/etc/iftab) in order to be sure that a network interface has always the same name when I restart the server. if my /etc/iftab I mention that, ethO is one of ADMtek comet eth1 is the intel card eth2 is the other ADMtek card and in fact eth2 is not available. > What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? #eth0 is connected to Internet auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address X.X.X.X netmask X.X.X.X network X.X.X.X broadcast X.X.X.X gateway X.X.X.X #eth1 is connected to the private network auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.0.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 #eth2 is connected to the DMZ auto eth2 iface eth2 inet static address 192.168.2.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.2.0 broadcast 192.168.2.255 > > Doug. > David > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail http://mail.yahoo.fr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tzdata on Lenny and Etch
Hello, I have 2 servers : Debian i386 Etch Debian i386 Lenny and both use ntp to synchronize time and configured on the same timezone Europe/Roma and use same time servers, but on Etch the time is 7 minutes behind server with Lenny. On the server with Lenny time is correct. Where is the problem ? Regards Georgi Naplatanov -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
weird udev behaviour
Dear all, On some of my machines, udev started to act strangely lately. It created all the device files in the root of the /dev directory, instead of the normal places. (Instead of /dev/input/mice, I get /dev/mice; instead of /dev/snd/* I get /dev/*, etc.) Of course, this breaks a lot of things. I have no idea what caused this. I am running an etch/sid hybrid. I did not update udev lately. Unfortunately, I do not use apt-listchanges on this box, so I can not tell exactly which packages were upgradet lately, but I am sure the change happened in the last few (say, 3) days. I have never seen this problem before. Could you please give me some ideas what can be wrong? Thank you for your help: Kristof Csillag -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Entropy gathering module - permissions problem
I have a server running Lenny and have a problem in that users are unable to send mail from scripts or the cl [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mail -s "test" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected Aborted Adding a user to the sudoers with permission to x /usr/bin/mail and then running the above command using sudo works OK so it's obviously a permissions problem. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/mail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 125240 2006-12-04 11:31 /usr/bin/mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /dev/urandom crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 9 2008-01-01 14:32 /dev/urandom This is really annoying as cron jobs running as users other than root throw an error. Has anyone any more suggestions where I can look? -- Regards, Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
menu size in Enlightenment
I tried out Enlightenment yesterday out of curiosity but the menu size on my 1600x1200 display was so small it was unusable. Googling didn't reveal any way to enlarge it. Is there one? I expect I'll go back to Icewm anyway, as I always do, but I thought I;d ask ... Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, on-line books and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
