Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,25.May.09, 17:32:21, Peter Crawford wrote:
> 
> At Mon, 25 May 2009 20:31:18 +0300
> andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote,
> > What do you mean by "yields nothing". 
> 
> Normally 
> Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
> would yield a Xfce viewer for configuring the panels.  
> Now this does not appear. 

Does it appear when you run xfce4-panel from the commandline?

> > ...  have you tried to run the panel from console?
> > ie.
> > $ xfce4-panel
> 
> Good idea.  That gives a system tray until 
> the invoking terminal is closed.  So the 
> system is capable of making system tray.
 
You can always append a '&' or just try

xfce4-panel --restart

and then save your session. Do you still have it if you restart xfce4?

> Will also try adding a test user and resetting my user configuration.  

I think for some reason the panel crashed and you saved your session 
without it. If I'm correct the above steps will take care of it.

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Verbose CRON Logging

[Volkan YAZICI]

Hi,

I have some erronous cron jobs which result in error dumps in syslog file.

  # grep "Permission denied" /var/log/syslog
  May 23 07:07:01 alamut CRON[21520]: Permission denied
  May 23 08:07:01 alamut CRON[21563]: Permission denied
  May 23 09:07:01 alamut CRON[21620]: Permission denied
  May 23 10:07:01 alamut CRON[22768]: Permission denied
  ...
  May 24 20:07:01 alamut CRON[11292]: Permission denied
  May 24 21:07:01 alamut CRON[11404]: Permission denied
  May 26 09:07:01 alamut CRON[4046]: Permission denied

As can be seen from the timestamp values, job is scheduled to run per hour.
Actually, I can spot the erronous cron job by manually trying to execute every
script under /etc/cron.daily, but is there a more sensible way of doing this? Is
it possible to increase the verbosity of cron log messages in case of an error?
Should I stick with another cron alternative? What are your recommendations?


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Re: Why is there suddenly a 'Universal Access Preferences' icon in my notification area?

[Daniel Dickinson]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 19:15:39 -0400
Patrick Wiseman  wrote:

> And how do I get rid of it?  It just showed up after a reboot after
> this morning's upgrade on my amd64 testing system.  (The reboot
> necessitated by yet another NetworkManager system freeze.)
> 

Accessibility options (e.g. aids for hearing, visually, motion, etc
impaired persons) are now being installed by default (just like
internationalisation, because one often doesn't know in advance when
one will need it).

I don't know how to get rid of it, but perhaps someone else does.

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Re: Canot access external usb hd anymore

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2009/5/26 Manon Metten 

> Hi All,
>
> Since I installed Lenny from scratch a while ago, I have problems accessing
> my external usb hd. It is plugged in to a usb port permanently, but I only
> turn
> on the power if I need to access it (I use it for backup).
>
> As I turn on the power, it reports as owned by root, but when still on
> Etch,
> I formatted it like this:
>
> #  umount /dev/sde
> #  mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -j -m 1 -L Maxtor -T largefile -v /dev/sde
> #  tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sde
> #  chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor
>
> I never had any problem like this with Etch, but now, even after repeatedly
> changing ownership to manon, it still reports root as owner when I turn the
> power on again.
>
> Sometimes it even appears to be completely empty after I did
> #  chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor
> and I cannot access any data at all anymore.
> I also tried:  '#  chown manon:manon /dev/sde'  but that didn't help
> either.
>
> Any ideas what could cause this problem and how to solve it?
>
> Thanks in advance, Manon.
>

Perhaps
# chown -r manon:manon /media/Maxtor

>
>
>
> Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686
> GNU/Linux
>
>
> #  less  /media/.hal-mtab
> /dev/sde  1000  0  ext3  nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,data=ordered
>  /media/Maxtor
>
>
> #  dumpe2fs /dev/sde
> dumpe2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)
> Filesystem volume name:   Maxtor
> Last mounted on:  
> Filesystem UUID:  99b7fdbd-5d8e-45bf-a1ec-74b774a39fc9
> Filesystem magic number:  0xEF53
> Filesystem revision #:1 (dynamic)
> Filesystem features:  has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype
> needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
> Filesystem flags: signed_directory_hash
> Default mount options:(none)
> Filesystem state: clean
> Errors behavior:  Continue
> Filesystem OS type:   Linux
> Inode count:  610560
> Block count:  156282966
> Reserved block count: 1562829
> Free blocks:  59277244
> Free inodes:  603706
> First block:  0
> Block size:   4096
> Fragment size:4096
> Reserved GDT blocks:  986
> Blocks per group: 32768
> Fragments per group:  32768
> Inodes per group: 128
> Inode blocks per group:   4
> Filesystem created:   Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008
> Last mount time:  Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009
> Last write time:  Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009
> Mount count:  54
> Maximum mount count:  28
> Last checked: Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008
> Check interval:   15552000 (6 months)
> Next check after: Fri May 15 19:35:36 2009
> Reserved blocks uid:  0 (user root)
> Reserved blocks gid:  0 (group root)
> First inode:  11
> Inode size:   128
> Journal inode:8
> Default directory hash:   tea
> Directory Hash Seed:  762114b0-1dbb-4677-8b23-934e5a2b0fe3
> Journal backup:   inode blocks
> Journal size: 128M
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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2009/5/26 Owen Townend 

> 2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> > 2009/5/26 Owen Townend 
> [snip]
> >>
> >> Not quite, the syntax is:
> >> $ dd_rescue [options] infile outfile
> >> '-' can be used to mean stdin/out
> >>
> >> Your command would be:
> >> $ dd_rescue -v -l sda.log /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz
> >>
> [snip]
> >
> > I wonder because of the syntax placement made
> > $ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz
> >
> > spits "Invalid argument" on the screen and log but image.gz does seem to
> > grow. Any possibility that the command above wouldn't yield a good image?
> > since I've already gone to 34 GB of 600+ GB
>
> I am not sure what dd_rescue is likely to do with option arguments out of
> place.
> I would be inclined to start again with a syntactically correct command and
> make sure there are no errors...
>
I think I'll restart the whole process with the correct command

>
> If you have to leave it as is, you could check that the log file is
> also growing.

The log is growing

>
> You could also unzip the start of the image and check that it holds valid
> filesystem headers.

I'm not really sure how to get this done but I'm still looking about it.

Since this involves 1 TB of data, can I some sort of resume at later time? I
heard with GNU ddrescue, we can do that.

>
>
> cheers,
> Owen.
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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Foss User]

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Claudius Hubig  wrote:
> Foss User  wrote:
>>Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.
>>
>>$ aptitude why twm
>>i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 
>>1:2.24.3~2)
>>i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
>>i A gdm                       Depends  gnome-session |
>>x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
>>i   twm                       Provides x-window-manager
>>
>>1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
>>and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
>>dependent on twm?
>>
>>2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?
>>
>>3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?
>>
>>4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
>>system running KDE?
>
> Judging from the output of my system, I think "aptitude why" merely
> prints out reason why a package *could* be installed. Check with
> "dpkg -l | grep twm" if twm actually is installed. The above works
> well also with metacity, sawfish or whatever else (see: aptitude show
> x-window-manager).
>
> This would also explain why you're not seeing any twm running -
> simply because it ain't installed :).


$ dpkg -l | grep twm
ii  twm  1:1.0.4-2
Tab window manager


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Re: squeeze pkg on lenny: bug?

[whollygoat]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 16:38 -0700, whollyg...@letterboxes.org wrote:
> Just installed lenny (5.0.0) from CD.  For some
> reason, aptitude did not get installed.  Tried
> to install it, but it had unmet dependencies.
> 
> --
> # apt-get install aptitude
> [snip]
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
> Depends: libept0 (>= 0.5.22) but it is
> not going to be installed
> --
> 
> libept0 also depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
> which is a virtual package provided by apt. When I
> looked at apt I discovered that version 
> 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 was installed.
> 
> Web research showed that people had a similar 
> problem, but with testing, and the solution was to 
> downgrade apt.  I downgraded apt to 0.7.20.2+lenny1 
> and was then able to install aptitude.
> 
> So why did I have a +squeeze1 pkg on a lenny box?
> After the reboot that finishes the install I went 
> to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and was surprise to
> find that it was wonky. No standard repository was
> there, the security entry pointed to squeeze and 
> the volatile entry was improperly formatted.
> 
> I've used this same CD and the same mirror 
> (mirror.peer1.net) to install 4 or 5 other machines
> recently, and this is the first time I've seen
> squeeze weirdness on a lenny install.  Should I 
> report this, and if so, against what package?

[Replying to my own post as I seem to have deleted
the reply I wanted to respond to.]

I would like to work with developers to see if this
bug can be reproduced and work out a solution, but
it will have to wait until I have another system.
Can't afford the downtime on the system that displayed
this behaviour.

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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <3f8297b20905251348x79208dfdo70ba473b5be36...@mail.gmail.com>, Foss User 
wrote:
>Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.
>
>$ aptitude why twm
>i   gnome Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (=
> 1:2.24.3~2) i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
>i A gdm   Depends  gnome-session |
>x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
>i   twm   Provides x-window-manager
   ^
The lack of an 'A' here is important.  It means that twm was "manually 
installed", so apt-get or aptitude won't automatically remove it.

>1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
>and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
>dependent on twm?

No, it shows one reason why aptitude might have installed twm OR why aptitude 
is keeping it installed.

>2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?

Yes.  Based on that 'why' output, it you have a terminal emulator, window 
manager, or session manager installed that isn't twm, you might be able to 
remove it without affecting other packages.

Note that the 'why' output only traces one dependency chain, there could be 
others.

>3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?

It probably isn't running.
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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Owen Townend]

2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> 2009/5/26 Owen Townend 
[snip]
>>
>> Not quite, the syntax is:
>> $ dd_rescue [options] infile outfile
>> '-' can be used to mean stdin/out
>>
>> Your command would be:
>> $ dd_rescue -v -l sda.log /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz
>>
[snip]
>
> I wonder because of the syntax placement made
> $ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz
>
> spits "Invalid argument" on the screen and log but image.gz does seem to
> grow. Any possibility that the command above wouldn't yield a good image?
> since I've already gone to 34 GB of 600+ GB

I am not sure what dd_rescue is likely to do with option arguments out of place.
I would be inclined to start again with a syntactically correct command and
make sure there are no errors...

If you have to leave it as is, you could check that the log file is
also growing.
You could also unzip the start of the image and check that it holds valid
filesystem headers.

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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Owen Townend]

2009/5/26 Owen Townend :
> 2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> [snip]
>>
>> from what I read, sparse files is the empty blocks/spaces. I only need the
>> real data to be as it were. Thanks for the tip. I'll try this one out though
>> I'm wondering if logging still works by doing it like this
>> $ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz
[snip]

Yes, the logging should still work when doing it like this.

cheers,
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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2009/5/26 Owen Townend 

> 2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> [snip]
> >
> > from what I read, sparse files is the empty blocks/spaces. I only need
> the
> > real data to be as it were. Thanks for the tip. I'll try this one out
> though
> > I'm wondering if logging still works by doing it like this
> > $ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz
>
> Not quite, the syntax is:
> $ dd_rescue [options] infile outfile
> '-' can be used to mean stdin/out
>
> Your command would be:
> $ dd_rescue -v -l sda.log /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz
>
> Because it becomes a simple bitstream you can handle it any way you like.
> Instead of just 'gzip' you could use 'gzip --best' or 'bzip2' or...
> whatever you
> like to handle the output.
> If you didn't have enough space to handle the entire disk in one place you
> could use something like 'tar -zL' to handle splitting the archive.
>

I wonder because of the syntax placement made
$ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz

spits "Invalid argument" on the screen and log but image.gz does seem to
grow. Any possibility that the command above wouldn't yield a good image?
since I've already gone to 34 GB of 600+ GB

>
> cheers,
> Owen.
>
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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Kelly Harding]

2009/5/26 Owen Townend :
> 2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> [snip]
>>
>> from what I read, sparse files is the empty blocks/spaces. I only need the
>> real data to be as it were. Thanks for the tip. I'll try this one out though
>> I'm wondering if logging still works by doing it like this

if you're using XFS, give xfsdump a look.

Kelly


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Re: Difference between X and Xorg commands?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 17:29, Chris Jones  wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:16:12PM EDT, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>> Of course, once we get Kernel Mode Setting, X won't need suid at all.
>> Yay!
>
> Can't seem to keep up..
>
> Where's the doc?

I don't know where official docs are (if they even exist), but here is
some general info:

on running X without root:
http://airlied.livejournal.com/59521.html

official wiki page... not much info:
http://www.x.org/wiki/ModeSetting

kms in general:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kernel_modesetting
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xorg_kms_2008
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_rebuild_x  (video)
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzE2NA
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzEwMA

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting
http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242


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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Owen Townend]

2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
[snip]
>
> from what I read, sparse files is the empty blocks/spaces. I only need the
> real data to be as it were. Thanks for the tip. I'll try this one out though
> I'm wondering if logging still works by doing it like this
> $ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz

Not quite, the syntax is:
$ dd_rescue [options] infile outfile
'-' can be used to mean stdin/out

Your command would be:
$ dd_rescue -v -l sda.log /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz

Because it becomes a simple bitstream you can handle it any way you like.
Instead of just 'gzip' you could use 'gzip --best' or 'bzip2' or...
whatever you
like to handle the output.
If you didn't have enough space to handle the entire disk in one place you
could use something like 'tar -zL' to handle splitting the archive.

cheers,
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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

2009/5/26 Owen Townend 

> 2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> > There's a hard disk with bad sectors that I want to make a back up with
> > ddrescue but the thing is, it is 1 TB and the backup location is also 1
> TB
> > and that is the only one I could afford right now. How do I compress it
> on
> > the fly while making an image out of it?
>
> Try, for example
> $ dd_rescue /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz
>
> Where /dev/sda1 is your dying disk and image.gz is the compressed output.
> Be aware that having stdout as the destination for dd_rescue means
> it is unable to handle writing sparse files properly (if that is required).
>

from what I read, sparse files is the empty blocks/spaces. I only need the
real data to be as it were. Thanks for the tip. I'll try this one out though
I'm wondering if logging still works by doing it like this
$ dd_rescue -v /dev/sda1 -l sda.log - | gzip > image.gz

>
> cheers,
> Owen.
>
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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3--open formats

[David Fox]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:49 PM, ZephyrQ  wrote:

> it at a friends house) or needs marching band music (a HUGE gap in Linux
> support, BTW).  She has also given up trying to convince me to load XP 'just
> so I can get stuff done'.

I hope you're not hinting that Linux and marching band music don't go
together :).

> Why is it so hard to find appliances (cell phones, etc.) or production apps
> (sheet music, etc.) that support open formats?  Especially when it is
> cheaper/easier/faster/more convenient to just 'pick from the list'.

There are open cell phones - it's just that the Iphone isn't one of
them, it seems. OpenMoko and Android seem to be better. But I don't
have or use cell phones, and I'm a luddite in that respect. Then
again, there are a number of mp3 players that support ogg. Even those
that don't explicitly mention it, I've been suprised to find, can
handle ogg files without screwing up.

I just had to retire my Ivo Sound M620 (worked perfectly with Linux)
media player last week when the stem in an aftermarket headphone
decided to break off *in* the player. So I went around and looked at
Amazon, and picked up from Ebiz Pro LLC (in Boise ID) a replacement
media player that only set me back $83 including shipping. And I got
it in 2 days (I'm in California). There are some rough edges, but the
player does work with Linux (I will probably have to tweak HAL to make
it work better) and holds 16 GB capacity. Not bad. And it'll play ogg
files just fine - even though it isn't advertised or documented that
it does.

And if you're looking for sheet music - there's tons of it at the
Petrucci Music Library (http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page) - all either
public domain or Creative Commons licensed stuff. All pdfs. Will keep
your printer busy for a while :).




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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3--open formats

[ZephyrQ]

Paul Johnson wrote:

ZephyrQ wrote:

I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying
eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.

Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being
saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.


Sounds like an early lesson in why you should use devices that support
open formats.  More seriously, why not find a program for the iPhone
that plays oggs?  That seems like a better idea than stripping all the
audio fidelity out of the music like MP3s tend to do.


Not an early lesson...rather a frustration.  I've done this in the past 
where I research what I can use and then purchase it.  I now have to 
teenage children who, for lack of a better description, do not share the 
love of tech intricacies as I do.  They just want something that works. 
 I constantly have to deal with the 'roll of the eyes' whenever my 16 
year-old comes home and wants to upgrade her iphone apps (she has given 
up and does it at a friends house) or needs marching band music (a HUGE 
gap in Linux support, BTW).  She has also given up trying to convince me 
to load XP 'just so I can get stuff done'.


Now, she is a firm believer in OOffice and other Open Source apps...and 
she has used Linux for years...but she runs into the same frustration I do:


Why is it so hard to find appliances (cell phones, etc.) or production 
apps (sheet music, etc.) that support open formats?  Especially when it 
is cheaper/easier/faster/more convenient to just 'pick from the list'.





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Re: make image of a hard disk

[Owen Townend]

2009/5/26 Umarzuki Mochlis :
> There's a hard disk with bad sectors that I want to make a back up with
> ddrescue but the thing is, it is 1 TB and the backup location is also 1 TB
> and that is the only one I could afford right now. How do I compress it on
> the fly while making an image out of it?

Try, for example
$ dd_rescue /dev/sda1 - | gzip > image.gz

Where /dev/sda1 is your dying disk and image.gz is the compressed output.
Be aware that having stdout as the destination for dd_rescue means
it is unable to handle writing sparse files properly (if that is required).

cheers,
Owen.


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[ZephyrQ]

This sounds like what I need...now I just have to dust off a few 
websites to remember how to write a bash script...


Matthew Moore wrote:
> On Monday 25 May 2009 11:55:53 am ZephyrQ wrote:
>> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can
>> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can
>> with the transfer...
>
> You should write a script that does the following:
>
> -) decodes the ogg files (using oggdec)
> -) saves their tags (using vorbiscomment)
> -) use grep to parse out tags like artist, album, etc
> -) give lame the wav file from the decode and the tag information and 
encode at high quality

>
> Any way that you do this you are going to lose quality since you are 
transcoding. The only thing that you can do is make sure that you encode 
your mp3s at high enough quality so that you cannot tell the difference 
between them and the original ogg file. If you don't have a regular 
directory structure, you might want to do something like

>
> find . -name "*.ogg" | while read oggfile; do
>
> at the start of your script.
>
> MM
>
>


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make image of a hard disk

[Umarzuki Mochlis]

There's a hard disk with bad sectors that I want to make a back up with
ddrescue but the thing is, it is 1 TB and the backup location is also 1 TB
and that is the only one I could afford right now. How do I compress it on
the fly while making an image out of it?

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Canot access external usb hd anymore

[Manon Metten]

Hi All,

Since I installed Lenny from scratch a while ago, I have problems accessing
my external usb hd. It is plugged in to a usb port permanently, but I only turn
on the power if I need to access it (I use it for backup).

As I turn on the power, it reports as owned by root, but when still on Etch,
I formatted it like this:

#  umount /dev/sde
#  mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -j -m 1 -L Maxtor -T largefile -v /dev/sde
#  tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sde
#  chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor

I never had any problem like this with Etch, but now, even after repeatedly
changing ownership to manon, it still reports root as owner when I turn the
power on again.

Sometimes it even appears to be completely empty after I did
#  chown manon:manon /media/Maxtor
and I cannot access any data at all anymore.
I also tried:  '#  chown manon:manon /dev/sde'  but that didn't help either.

Any ideas what could cause this problem and how to solve it?

Thanks in advance, Manon.



Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux


#  less  /media/.hal-mtab
/dev/sde  1000  0  ext3  nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,data=ordered  /media/Maxtor


#  dumpe2fs /dev/sde
dumpe2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008)
Filesystem volume name:   Maxtor
Last mounted on:          
Filesystem UUID:          99b7fdbd-5d8e-45bf-a1ec-74b774a39fc9
Filesystem magic number:  0xEF53
Filesystem revision #:    1 (dynamic)
Filesystem features:      has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype
needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
Filesystem flags:         signed_directory_hash
Default mount options:    (none)
Filesystem state:         clean
Errors behavior:          Continue
Filesystem OS type:       Linux
Inode count:              610560
Block count:              156282966
Reserved block count:     1562829
Free blocks:              59277244
Free inodes:              603706
First block:              0
Block size:               4096
Fragment size:            4096
Reserved GDT blocks:      986
Blocks per group:         32768
Fragments per group:      32768
Inodes per group:         128
Inode blocks per group:   4
Filesystem created:       Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008
Last mount time:          Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009
Last write time:          Wed May 13 18:15:07 2009
Mount count:              54
Maximum mount count:      28
Last checked:             Sun Nov 16 18:35:36 2008
Check interval:           15552000 (6 months)
Next check after:         Fri May 15 19:35:36 2009
Reserved blocks uid:      0 (user root)
Reserved blocks gid:      0 (group root)
First inode:              11
Inode size:               128
Journal inode:            8
Default directory hash:   tea
Directory Hash Seed:      762114b0-1dbb-4677-8b23-934e5a2b0fe3
Journal backup:           inode blocks
Journal size:             128M


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RE: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Peter Crawford]

At Mon, 25 May 2009 20:31:18 +0300
andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote,
> What do you mean by "yields nothing". 

Normally 
Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
would yield a Xfce viewer for configuring the panels.  
Now this does not appear. 
> Try adding a new one.

How?

At Mon, 25 May 2009 13:55:55 -0400
Tony Baldwin wrote,
> ...  have you tried to run the panel from console?
> ie.
> $ xfce4-panel

Good idea.  That gives a system tray until 
the invoking terminal is closed.  So the 
system is capable of making system tray.

> What happens if you
> aptitude -f install xfce4-panel

Will try it.

At Mon, 25 May 2009 22:29:45 +0200
Nyizsnyik Ferenc wrote,
> If only system tray is missing, ...

The panel configuration gadget is also missing.

Will also try adding a test user and resetting 
my user configuration.  

Thanks, ... Peter E.



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Re: Difference between X and Xorg commands?

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:16:12PM EDT, Kelly Clowers wrote:

[..]

> Of course, once we get Kernel Mode Setting, X won't need suid at all.
> Yay!

Can't seem to keep up..

Where's the doc?

CJ


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Re: Rogue Filename - Can't Do A Thing With It

[Paul E Condon]

On 2009-05-25_02:44:42, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 12:52 AM, Kent West wrote:
>
>> Hal Vaughan wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Hilco Wijbenga wrote:
>>>
 2009/5/20 Hal Vaughan :
> Recently I started getting errors from rsync on a machine I don't
> tend to
> have to log on to very often.  I checked the bad directory and get
> this:
>
> [...@scarecrow:threshNet]$ ls -l reportX
> total 0
> ?- ? ? ? ?? reportX/2009-r...@?

 

> [...@scarecrow:threshNet]$ rm reportX/*
> rm: cannot lstat `reportX/2009-raw\...@\037': No such file or  
> directory

 I guess it will not work because "rm" doesn't work but you could try
 "find . -type f -delete". Another command to try is "unlink".
>>>
>>> Thanks for the ideas.  Tried both, here's the output for find:
>>>
>>> [...@scarecrow:ReportX]$ find . -type f -delete
>>> find: ./2009-raw?@: No such file or directory
>>>
>>> Got a similar message for unlink.  Basically everything treats it as
>>> no file there.
>>>
>>
>> How about "mc"?
>
> Tried that, originally on ssh, from my iMac, but there was an issue  
> because the iMac remaps the function keys.  I know there's a way to turn 
> that off, but I was going to have to re-attach a keyboard and screen to 
> that computer anyway to run fsck, so I just waited to try it from a direct 
> keyboard instead of remotely.
>
> MC didn't do anything the others didn't do.
>
> What did work was that fsck detected illegal characters in the filename, 
> so the first "?" (at least the first one) may have been unprintable.  
> However, when fsck restored the filename, it had most of what I think was 
> the original name, which was a lot longer.  So my best guess is that the 
> filename was corrupted and contained characters like backspaces in it.
>
> If this had been in my DOS 3.3 or ProDOS days, I'd have take out a sector 
> editor and examined the file name that way and just altered it by hand.  
> Sometimes I miss the simplicity of my old Apple //e.
>
> Thanks for the idea, though,  The help is appreciated.
>
>
> Hal
>

Question marks in a file name come from ls. The exact conditions under which
ls converts a character/byte to '?' are thoroughly explained in 

info coreutils 'ls invocation'

Typing ? or \? in a command is, of course, useless, because many byte codes are
mapped to '?'. 

Also explained there are a number of ways to handle characters which are 'legal'
in file names, but terribly inconvenient, like new-line. (Yes, new-line is not
dis-allowed by any rule. Therefore it is allowed.) 

I think there is a feature in emacs that allows editing of directory contents, 
and
special features in ls that support it. I've never used it, but it sounds like 
what you did on the Apple//e.

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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 16:10, Tony Baldwin  wrote:
> Foss User wrote:
>>
>> Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.
>>
>> $ aptitude why twm
>> i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (=
>> 1:2.24.3~2)
>> i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
>> i A gdm                       Depends  gnome-session |
>> x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
>> i   twm                       Provides x-window-manager
>>
>> 1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
>> and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
>> dependent on twm?
>>
>> 2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?
>>
>> 3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?
>>
>> 4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
>> system running KDE?
>>
>>
>
> I've been kind of wondering, myself, why twm was installed on my system.
> I haven't used twm in a looong time, and that was on a PCLinuxOS install,
> iirc, and not since moving to Lenny.
> Oh, and I don't even have gnome.
> Now, somehow, gnome did get briefly installed...dunno why, and I removed it
> shortly thereafter.  I didn't see anything that I wanted get removed by
> removing it, either...
>
> Btw, to my knowledge, gnome uses metacity for wm, as default, but, yes, can
> be used with other wms.
> You can, for instance, run gnome with openbox for the wm.
>
> Okay, back to twm...
>
> I did this:
> deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg twm
> Package: twm
> Versions:
> 1:1.0.4-2
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages)
> (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
>  Description Language:
>                 File:
> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages
>                  MD5: 68a4936c620d35f590b904c66528006f
>
>
> Reverse Depends:
>  x11-common,twm 7.0
> Dependencies:
> 1:1.0.4-2 - menu (2 2.1.26) libc6 (2 2.7-1) libice6 (2 1:1.0.0) libsm6 (0
> (null)) libx11-6 (0 (null)) libxext6 (0 (null)) libxmu6 (0 (null)) libxt6 (0
> (null)) x11-common (2 1:7.0.0)
> Provides:
> 1:1.0.4-2 - x-window-manager
> Reverse Provides:
>
>
> I tried aptitude remove twm, just see what happens, and it wanted to remove
> libconfuse0{u} as well...So, I was wondering what else might need this lib.
>
> deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg libconfuse
> W: Unable to locate package libconfuse
> deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg libconfuse0
> Package: libconfuse0
> Versions:
> 2.6-2
> (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages)
> (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
>  Description Language:
>                 File:
> /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages
>                  MD5: 1e6976bd8fbc79bd2f585940f4297cfa
>
>
> Reverse Depends:
>  tilda,libconfuse0 2.5-1
>  somaplayer,libconfuse0 2.5
>  pommed,libconfuse0 2.5-1
>  openser-carrierroute-module,libconfuse0 2.5-1
>  libsomaplayer0,libconfuse0 2.5
>  libsds0,libconfuse0 2.5
>  libconfuse-dev,libconfuse0 2.6-2
>  gpomme,libconfuse0 2.5-1
>  ftdi-eeprom,libconfuse0 2.5-1
>  awesome,libconfuse0 2.5-1
> Dependencies:
> 2.6-2 - libc6 (2 2.7-1)
> Provides:
> 2.6-2 -
> Reverse Provides:
>
>
> Looks like awesome (awm) needs libconfuse, but I had only installed that and
> tested it briefly, and removed it, and, iirc, twm was on my system before I
> tried awm.
> I'm not sure, but I supposed, after all that, that it looks like it maybe
> would be safe for me to remove it (both twm and libconfuse0{u}.
> The couple of things that still make me wonder are that
> twm provides x-window-manager, but I have other window managers, clearly,
> since I'm not using twm (using Ion3 at the moment), and that
> twm provide menu.
> So I looked at
> apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager...
> Hmmm...Looks like LXDE depends on that, and I do use LXDE/Openbox,
> sometimes.  Also ion2 depends on that, but I'm using ion3...maybe that does,
> too.
>
> Oh no...wait...twm depends on menu, not the other way around.
>
> All in all, I'm confused.  I may be misunderstanding the information
> apt-cache showpkg is giving me.
> It seems that if i remove twm, I lose use of any other wm, because
> x-window-manager depends on itbut that makes no sense to me at all,
> because I've run window managers without twm...at least on other systems
> (fedora, pclinuxos and ubuntu).
> Then again, I can't figure out why I had to install the entire dwm just to
> get slock, either.  Makes no sense.
> The only way to get slock without installing dwm appears to be to download
> and install from source.  Of course, that takes all of about 3 minutes...but
> I do prefer to use official Debian approved packages.
> It just seems there are some oddly/arbitrarily imposed dependencies going on
> here...because I know I can run slock without dwm...
>
> Likewise, I can run openbox and should be able to run LXDE without
> xscreensaver (and use

Why is there suddenly a 'Universal Access Preferences' icon in my notification area?

[Patrick Wiseman]

And how do I get rid of it?  It just showed up after a reboot after
this morning's upgrade on my amd64 testing system.  (The reboot
necessitated by yet another NetworkManager system freeze.)

Patrick


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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Tony Baldwin]

Claudius Hubig wrote:

Foss User  wrote:

Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.

$ aptitude why twm
i   gnome Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2)
i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
i A gdm   Depends  gnome-session |
x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
i   twm   Provides x-window-manager

1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
dependent on twm?

2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?

3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?

4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
system running KDE?


Judging from the output of my system, I think "aptitude why" merely
prints out reason why a package *could* be installed. Check with
"dpkg -l | grep twm" if twm actually is installed. The above works
well also with metacity, sawfish or whatever else (see: aptitude show
x-window-manager).

This would also explain why you're not seeing any twm running -
simply because it ain't installed :).

Greetings,

Claudius



A simple whereis twm shows that it IS installed on my system
/usr/bin/twm

/tony


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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[marc]

Andrei Popescu said:

> On Mon,25.May.09, 16:20:44, marc wrote:
> 
>> I read a defensive post on the Kubuntu list - there is a *lot* of
>> defensiveness around kde4 at the moment - that claims that kde4 is a
>> rewrite and so users should adjust their expectations accordingly.
>> 
>> It reminded me of Joel Spolsky's article, 'Things You Should Never Do':
>> 
>>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html
>> 
>> "They make the single worst strategic mistake that any software company
>> can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch."
>> 
>> "if [they] actually had some adult supervision with software industry
>> experience, they might not have shot themselves in the foot so badly."
>  
> Looks like an interesting article, but I didn't see any mention of FLOSS
> other than using emacs to write it, all examples are based on
> proprietary software.

It makes no difference, imo; the disciplines are the same.

>> The whole kde4 fiasco has radically altered my view of FOSS. I now
>> know, with very few exceptions, that the leaders of FOSS projects are
>> very, very inexperienced at real world software delivery.
> 
> You are assuming a market.

Er, nope, I'm not. Note the absence of the word 'market'.

For 'real world' read (something like): people who will actually use this 
stuff in the real world, day to day.

> FOSS works more like a jungle: survival of the fittest.

Lol, if only. Next you'll be telling me that's what Darwin said. FOSS has 
all the hallmarks of corporate s/w. All the crap. All the politics. And 
never the best solution. Linus, by holding onto his vision, is one of the 
few that has achieved useful, usable, coherent success. Witness the git 
offshoot. That's what you look for to determine success. But Linus knows 
about development, and he certainly knows a shed load about migration.

> Maybe some users will migrate away from KDE, maybe some
> will join. Only time will tell.

The options, the real options, are limited at the moment. And with Gnome 
and KDE becoming more and more Windows-like by the day - and certainly by 
philosophy - we need a new player.

>> Heaven help us when Linus moves on. I bet there are folk lining up to
>> rewrite the kernel right now. And there will be a huge queue of folk
>> right behind them shrieking, "New! Shiny!".
> 
> How much code does 2.6 have in common with 2.4?

Ah! But that's the wrong way to look at it. That's the mistake. That's 
precisely what Joel's article is about. It's not about commonality of 
code, it's about how you migrate to the later revisions.

Migration is a skill, a learned skill, and I understood that more folk 
had it these day - what with all the tools that make it so easy to do - 
but clearly many folk don't know the first thing about it. kde4 is a 
classic example of how *not* to migrate.

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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Tony Baldwin]

Foss User wrote:

Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.

$ aptitude why twm
i   gnome Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2)
i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
i A gdm   Depends  gnome-session |
x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
i   twm   Provides x-window-manager

1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
dependent on twm?

2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?

3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?

4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
system running KDE?




I've been kind of wondering, myself, why twm was installed on my system.
I haven't used twm in a looong time, and that was on a PCLinuxOS 
install, iirc, and not since moving to Lenny.

Oh, and I don't even have gnome.
Now, somehow, gnome did get briefly installed...dunno why, and I removed 
it shortly thereafter.  I didn't see anything that I wanted get removed 
by removing it, either...


Btw, to my knowledge, gnome uses metacity for wm, as default, but, yes, 
can be used with other wms.

You can, for instance, run gnome with openbox for the wm.

Okay, back to twm...

I did this:
deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg twm
Package: twm
Versions:
1:1.0.4-2 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
(/var/lib/dpkg/status)

 Description Language:
 File: 
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages

  MD5: 68a4936c620d35f590b904c66528006f


Reverse Depends:
  x11-common,twm 7.0
Dependencies:
1:1.0.4-2 - menu (2 2.1.26) libc6 (2 2.7-1) libice6 (2 1:1.0.0) libsm6 
(0 (null)) libx11-6 (0 (null)) libxext6 (0 (null)) libxmu6 (0 (null)) 
libxt6 (0 (null)) x11-common (2 1:7.0.0)

Provides:
1:1.0.4-2 - x-window-manager
Reverse Provides:


I tried aptitude remove twm, just see what happens, and it wanted to 
remove libconfuse0{u} as well...So, I was wondering what else might need 
this lib.


deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg libconfuse
W: Unable to locate package libconfuse
deathstar:/home/tony# apt-cache showpkg libconfuse0
Package: libconfuse0
Versions:
2.6-2 
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) 
(/var/lib/dpkg/status)

 Description Language:
 File: 
/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages

  MD5: 1e6976bd8fbc79bd2f585940f4297cfa


Reverse Depends:
  tilda,libconfuse0 2.5-1
  somaplayer,libconfuse0 2.5
  pommed,libconfuse0 2.5-1
  openser-carrierroute-module,libconfuse0 2.5-1
  libsomaplayer0,libconfuse0 2.5
  libsds0,libconfuse0 2.5
  libconfuse-dev,libconfuse0 2.6-2
  gpomme,libconfuse0 2.5-1
  ftdi-eeprom,libconfuse0 2.5-1
  awesome,libconfuse0 2.5-1
Dependencies:
2.6-2 - libc6 (2 2.7-1)
Provides:
2.6-2 -
Reverse Provides:


Looks like awesome (awm) needs libconfuse, but I had only installed that 
and tested it briefly, and removed it, and, iirc, twm was on my system 
before I tried awm.
I'm not sure, but I supposed, after all that, that it looks like it 
maybe would be safe for me to remove it (both twm and libconfuse0{u}.

The couple of things that still make me wonder are that
twm provides x-window-manager, but I have other window managers, 
clearly, since I'm not using twm (using Ion3 at the moment), and that

twm provide menu.
So I looked at
apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager...
Hmmm...Looks like LXDE depends on that, and I do use LXDE/Openbox, 
sometimes.  Also ion2 depends on that, but I'm using ion3...maybe that 
does, too.


Oh no...wait...twm depends on menu, not the other way around.

All in all, I'm confused.  I may be misunderstanding the information 
apt-cache showpkg is giving me.
It seems that if i remove twm, I lose use of any other wm, because 
x-window-manager depends on itbut that makes no sense to me at all, 
because I've run window managers without twm...at least on other systems 
(fedora, pclinuxos and ubuntu).
Then again, I can't figure out why I had to install the entire dwm just 
to get slock, either.  Makes no sense.
The only way to get slock without installing dwm appears to be to 
download and install from source.  Of course, that takes all of about 3 
minutes...but I do prefer to use official Debian approved packages.
It just seems there are some oddly/arbitrarily imposed dependencies 
going on here...because I know I can run slock without dwm...


Likewise, I can run openbox and should be able to run LXDE without 
xscreensaver (and use slock to the lock the screen), but if I attempt to 
aptitude remove xscreensaver, it wants to remove all of LXDE, too.

So why does x-window-manager need twm?  I don't know.
Just weird...


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Re: grub-pc, /boot/ on raid10+lvm

[Martin Kraus]

grub-probe on raid10 finds the filesystem, so grub understands raid10. However
when I put lvm over raid10, grub isn't able to find the filesystem. LVM on
raid1 works. Is it a bug, or am I doing something wrong? I'm using
1.96+20090523-1 but I've tried versions from stable and testing as well. I
should think that once grub builds an equivalent of a block device, LVM on
raid10 is the same as LVM on raid1.

thank
mk


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Tony Baldwin]

ZephyrQ wrote:
Just for the record, I did just that (minor differences).  My issue 
isn't finding a way...it is finding the *best* way...and I don't have 
time to go through a kajillion options...


...which is why I asked a list full of knowledgeable users who know a 
lot more than I about CLI...





Ah, but this is opensource, and there are always numerous options, so 
asking a list of knowledgable users will get you a list of potential 
options.

Everyone has their favorite *best way* of dealing with these matters...

/tony





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Re: hanging up for the previous P2P user

[jidanni]

Claudius Hubig  writes:
> Did you try REJECT instead of DROP? Maybe telling all these buddies
> you don't want to know them instead of just ignoring them would do
> the job?
Yes ( http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/355741 ),
but it just made my ADSL 256/64 line more busy without making a dent in
the amount of traffic banging at my door.

Maybe next time I'll try various iptables --reject-with type choices.

Maybe about once a week I am given one of these 'popular' IP addresses
by my ISP.

I wonder why an address in 122.127.*.* would become so 'well known'.
They are dynamically assigned to connecting customers, and hang up
automatically after 3 days.


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Re: Second ethernet card seems to cause networking failure?

[Daniel Dickinson]

Do you have network-manager installed?  It's not very good with setups
with mixed static/dynamic ips.  If you've got network-manager, remove
it and set things up manually.

Regards,

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Re: GTK apps over XDMCP - Anyone else find lists slow?

[Seb James]

On Sat, 2009-05-23 at 21:40 +0100, Seb James wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm having trouble with GTK lists (for example a list of emails in
> evolution) being very slow to scroll in Debian Lenny when using a remote
> login via XDMCP. Scrolling is fine when using a local session.
> 
> Has anyone else noticed this issue? I've tried a couple of different
> client computers (one Nvidia, one ATI, both with RENDER extension) and
> compared a couple of different installs of Debian Lenny with Ubuntu 8.04
> and Debian Etch. GTK lists really do seem to be slow in Lenny. Comments?
> 
> Seb James
> 

The problem I am experiencing is Bug 487635:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635

It's an Xlib/libxcb problem, not a GTK problem, though it doesn't seem
to show up for KDE apps.

I've applied a fix submitted to Ubuntu by Stephane Graber (I think he's
one of the LTSP guys).

best,

Seb James




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Re: slapd

[Frank Lin PIAT]

Hi,

On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 08:55 -0300, Márcio Luciano Donada wrote:
> I am using a server with debian lenny slapd (OpenLDAP 2.4.11) but when
> I start the process he never opens sub processes for the parent
> process of slapd, a single process is created. Is there a setting for
> this? In / etc / ldap / slapd.conf I have the following entries
> 
> tool-threads 16
> threads 32

I do have multiple threads here, I have nothing specific regarding the
threads.
(Note: slapd has multiple threads, not multiple processes. You need to
use "ps -eLf" to list the threads).

Regards,

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Lenny - window manager seems to have died.

[Paul Lewis]

I have a dual core AMD64 with a fairly fresh install of Lenny, just the 
last couple of days I have noticed my window controls have disappeared. 
I have tried to reload metacity, which I think is the default window 
manager for Debian Lenny, but nothing happens.

However if I load another wm, #icewm --replace &

Then I get my window controls back but only until I log out, log back 
in and now window controls again.

Tried uninstalling and reinstalling metacity, if I try to reload it, I 
get a cryptic error message:

"Window manager warning: 0 stored in GConf key /desktop/gnome/
peripherals/mouse/cursor_size is not a reasonable cursor_size; must be 
in the range 1 .. 128"

Anyone suggest what I can do to sort the problem?

Thanks


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Re: Multiple iso in a single dvd

[Frank Lin PIAT]

Hi,

[[CC'ing debian-cd, as they may have better suggestion than me]]

On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 19:37 +0530, Kousik Maiti wrote:
> 
> Can anybody help me by giving instructions to create a bootable image
> containing multiple iso. I want to create a DVD image which may
> contain iso of different debian flavour .

Strictly speaking, you can't write multiple ISO images on one single
"CD", because by definition, an ISO is the exact image of the final CD,
AFAIK.

You could merge multiple CD images, by copying the files contained in
multiple ISOs, but you would also have to re-install the CD's
bootloader, and poke it's the menu system. That's probably not an easy
game.

Alternatively, have a look at the debian-cd package and mailing-list
http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ .

By the way, are you aware that the "multi-arch"[1] DVD contains i386 +
amd64 + source, with all 4 debian Desktop envronnement (KDE, Gnome, Xfce
and LXDE)?

My 2¢

Franklin


[1] http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.1/multi-arch/iso-dvd/
http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/


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Re: Lenny. Do I need to check the system after improper shutdown?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:33:31PM +0400, Mark Goldshtein wrote:
> Hello, list!
> 
> Do I need to clean up something or check hard drive consistency after
> system's hang up during recovering from Suspend-to-RAM state? An
> improper system shutdown by 'power' key was forcibly applied and
> during a boot process were reports about journal transactions
> replayed.

That was it.  The journal replayed with no problems, so everything is
consistant.  However, you may have lost data, but fsck can't help that;
its job is to make the filesystem consistant.

Doug.


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Re: Difference between X and Xorg commands?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:04, Chris Jones  wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 04:11:28AM EDT, Foss User wrote:
>> I installed xserver-xorg like this:
>>
>> aptitude install xserver-xorg
>>
>> I see two commands have appeared.
>>
>> X from xserver-xorg
>> Xorg from xserver-xorg-core
>>
>> What is the difference between the two commands?
>
> For what it's worth: /usr/bin/X is a wrapper that runs setuid root.
> After doing minimal initialization that requires running setuid root it
> drops root privileges and exec's the actual Xserver - /usr/bin/Xorg.
>
> There may be other reasons, but one thing that comes to mind is that
> this approach keeps the code that needs to run privileged to a minimum
> to reduce the risk of security holes.

Of course, once we get Kernel Mode Setting, X won't need suid at all. Yay!


Cheers,
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Re: Samba client oddity

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue,26.May.09, 00:07:38, Roger wrote:
> I have installed Freecom Storage Gateway as a NAS device on a combined 
> Windows/Debian network. The FSG is linux powered and runs Samba. It works 
> fine from the windows boxes, it's when I try to access it from Debian 
> (Lenny) that things start to behave oddly. When accessing files and folders 
> on the FSG via the smb:// protocol, Nautilus displays the names of files
> and folders as truncated. So, a file "dummy.txt" appears as "dumm .txt". A 
> folder "mail" appears as "mai". Konqueror does exactly the same thing. 
> Googling for a solution turns up this http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15383 
> but as a Debian newbie I don't understand the response. Could someone 
> explain what I need to do to fix the problem.

www.backports.org

Regards,
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Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 13:48, Foss User  wrote:
> Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.
>
> $ aptitude why twm
> i   gnome                     Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 
> 1:2.24.3~2)
> i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
> i A gdm                       Depends  gnome-session |
> x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
> i   twm                       Provides x-window-manager
>
> 1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
> and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
> dependent on twm?

No, anything listed under the virtual package x-window-manager will
satisfy the dependency.

> 2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?

Gnome normally uses metacity, but there are a large number of
other WMs that can work with Gnome.

> 3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?

It probably is not running. If you use Aptitude's interactive view
and look at the reverse dependencies, it will list GDM, but that
is deceptive: any x-window-manager will fill that, and you can,
in fact, remove twm as long as you have some other WM installed.

> 4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
> system running KDE?

Sorry, I don't use KDE or Gnome. Maybe someone else will.


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Joel Roth]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:55:53PM -0500, ZephyrQ wrote:
> I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying  
> eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.
>
> Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being  
> saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.
>
> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can  
> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can  
> with the transfer...

I've used a perl script, ogg2mp3. I haven't compared other
methods. This does get the tags. It depends on a couple
of utilities. Looks like you will still need to write a 
script to recurse through all your music directories.

HTH


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Re: Installing xmonad?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:49, Todd A. Jacobs  wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:22:47AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>
>> Java apps work fine with Awesome, and it doesn't have the kind of
>> baggage that Ion does.
>
> Awesome doesn't work under alternative windowing systems like VNC, which
> limits its utility for some people. As a result, I stick with ion3.

Interesting, I did not know that.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Samba client oddity

[Roger]

I have installed Freecom Storage Gateway as a NAS device on a combined 
Windows/Debian network. The FSG is linux powered and runs Samba. It works 
fine from the windows boxes, it's when I try to access it from Debian 
(Lenny) that things start to behave oddly. When accessing files and folders 
on the FSG via the smb:// protocol, Nautilus displays the names of files
and folders as truncated. So, a file "dummy.txt" appears as "dumm .txt". A 
folder "mail" appears as "mai". Konqueror does exactly the same thing. 
Googling for a solution turns up this http://www.debianhelp.org/node/15383 
but as a Debian newbie I don't understand the response. Could someone 
explain what I need to do to fix the problem.

Thanks


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 07:29:08PM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote:

> Try using the following command in the CLI:
> 
> for i in *.ogg; do [[ ! -a "${i%ogg}mp3" ]] && oggdec "$i" -o - | lame
> - --preset standard - "${i%ogg}mp3" ; done

This loses all the metadata in the file. The audio stream will be mostly
kept (barring the fact that you re-save it in another lossy format) but
any other fields will be lost.

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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[marc]

ZephyrQ said:

> I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying
> eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.
> 
> Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being
> saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the
> picture.
> 
> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can
> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can
> with the transfer...

ogg is a container, so unless you used a lossless codec (i.e. FLAC) then 
the mp3s are going to sound horrible, especially as mp3 also has "sound 
shaping" and, usually, produces variable bit rate files.

If you really have to do this, then I'd use the best codec you can find 
and stick to CBR files.

Since you are using these on an iPhone, you'd be far better off going to 
AAC, imo. mp3 is vastly inferior to AAC.

Of course, starting from the lossless files will produce infinitely 
better results.

Why not try all the options, on a variety of material, and use your ears? 
Then decide.

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Is gnome built on top of twm?

[Foss User]

Please see the following output I generated from Squeeze.

$ aptitude why twm
i   gnome Depends  gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.24.3~2)
i A gnome-desktop-environment Depends  gdm (>= 2.20.9)
i A gdm   Depends  gnome-session |
x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator
i   twm   Provides x-window-manager

1. It shows that twm was installed because gdm needs a window manager
and twm is one such window manager. Does it mean that gnome is
dependent on twm?

2. Is it possible to run gnome with some other window manager?

3. I am unable to see any twm process in the ps listing. Why?

4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a
system running KDE?


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[ZephyrQ]

Just for the record, I did just that (minor differences).  My issue 
isn't finding a way...it is finding the *best* way...and I don't have 
time to go through a kajillion options...


...which is why I asked a list full of knowledgeable users who know a 
lot more than I about CLI...




JoeHill wrote:
ZephyrQ wrote: 

I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying 
eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.


Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being 
saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.


What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can 
run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can 
with the transfer...


The _first hit_ when I googled 'convert ogg to mp3 linux command line':

http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/short-tip-convert-ogg-file-to-mp3/

There are probably a kajillion others :-)




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Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Mon, 25 May 2009 06:16:37 -0700
Peter Crawford  wrote:

> 
> The xfce4-panel package is installed but 
> for a few days now panels have been absent 
> from Xfce4 in Squeeze.  No system tray.  

If only system tray is missing, it could happen because of a version
change. Try adding it again.

> Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
> yields nothing.  
> 
> Is there a simple solution?
> 
> Thanks, ... Peter E.
> 
> 
> _
> Find info faster and easier with Internet Explorer 8.
> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655583
> 


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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Harry Rickards]

On 25 May 2009, at 20:19, Paul Johnson  wrote:


ZephyrQ wrote:
I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all  
prying
eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg  
to .mp3.


Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being
saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the  
picture.


Sounds like an early lesson in why you should use devices that support
open formats.  More seriously, why not find a program for the iPhone
that plays oggs?  That seems like a better idea than stripping all the
audio fidelity out of the music like MP3s tend to do.



If you jailbreak it, vlc4iphone does a great job of playing most media  
files. I think mplayer plays ogg's as well.



Thanks
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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Paul Johnson]

ZephyrQ wrote:
> I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying
> eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.
> 
> Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being
> saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.

Sounds like an early lesson in why you should use devices that support
open formats.  More seriously, why not find a program for the iPhone
that plays oggs?  That seems like a better idea than stripping all the
audio fidelity out of the music like MP3s tend to do.



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Re: Installing xmonad?

[Tony Baldwin]

Todd A. Jacobs wrote:

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:22:47AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:


Java apps work fine with Awesome, and it doesn't have the kind of
baggage that Ion does.


Awesome doesn't work under alternative windowing systems like VNC, which
limits its utility for some people. As a result, I stick with ion3.



I'm using Ion3 at the moment, myself.
It's pretty co0l.
And the java apps do work in Ion3, perfectly.
(just tried awm a while ago, again, and had the same issues with some 
windows that I had in dwm and xmonad...just grey boxes.  They're child 
windows, if that makes a difference.  The main window of the app, 
OmegaT, renders fine, but all child windows are just grey squares).


I just posted a couple of gro0vy Ion3 screenshots on my blog:
http://tonytraductor.livejournal.com

:)
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Lenny. Do I need to check the system after improper shutdown?

[Mark Goldshtein]

Hello, list!

Do I need to clean up something or check hard drive consistency after
system's hang up during recovering from Suspend-to-RAM state? An
improper system shutdown by 'power' key was forcibly applied and
during a boot process were reports about journal transactions
replayed.

Thanks!

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Re: hanging up for the previous P2P user

[jidanni]

> In a reasonably short period of time, every client that knew about you
> will figure out that you are no longer available

All I know is that "the knocks on the bathroom stall's door by the
former occupant's buddies continued all through the night, despite my
use of DROP in iptables."

Maybe the former user of the
# zgrep 'local  IP address' /var/log/syslog*
wasn't P2P after all, but some kind of zombie botnet machine. OK, next
time I get handed such a busy line, I'll try some packet analysis.


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Re: Installing xmonad?

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:22:47AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:

> Java apps work fine with Awesome, and it doesn't have the kind of
> baggage that Ion does.

Awesome doesn't work under alternative windowing systems like VNC, which
limits its utility for some people. As a result, I stick with ion3.

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Re: Difference between X and Xorg commands?

[Chris Jones]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 04:11:28AM EDT, Foss User wrote:
> I installed xserver-xorg like this:
> 
> aptitude install xserver-xorg
> 
> I see two commands have appeared.
> 
> X from xserver-xorg
> Xorg from xserver-xorg-core
> 
> What is the difference between the two commands?

For what it's worth: /usr/bin/X is a wrapper that runs setuid root.
After doing minimal initialization that requires running setuid root it
drops root privileges and exec's the actual Xserver - /usr/bin/Xorg.

There may be other reasons, but one thing that comes to mind is that
this approach keeps the code that needs to run privileged to a minimum
to reduce the risk of security holes.

On debian "etch":

$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/X
x11-common: /usr/bin/X

Seems it was packaged differently on the version of debian that you are
running.

CJ





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Re: rant: return receipts

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> I don't know, but I don't think return receipts are appropriate on this  
> list.
> They're very annoying.

They are pretty easy to avoid.  I see your using IceDove/Thunderbird which
can be configured to ignore them. 

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Re: SSH & iptables

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:12:04PM +0200, Pawel Cholewinski wrote:

> I want to filter traffic on SSH server. I want to ACCEPT only SSH
> trafic  on SSH server computer. Packet SSH which receive and send
> should be  ACCEPT. Other traffic should be DROP. Which protocol I must
> use. I know  that port nr 22 is used default. So, what I must type to
> do this?

If your needs are simple, use lokkit to create and use a firewall to
allow only SSH. For slightly more complex needs, I recommend
firestarter. Either one will enable you to allow or block a few common
protocols such as SSH.

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Re: Couldn't access keyring

[Todd A. Jacobs]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 07:05:05PM +0800, linux china wrote:

> My source.list just contains a simple line "deb
> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main", could anyone tell what's
> below problem ?

ftp.debian.org has been deprecated for more than a year now, and is
considered deeply broken. Please check the mirrors list for an updated
list of apt sources.

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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Matthew Moore]

On Monday 25 May 2009 11:55:53 am ZephyrQ wrote:
> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can
> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can
> with the transfer...

You should write a script that does the following:

-) decodes the ogg files (using oggdec)
-) saves their tags (using vorbiscomment)
-) use grep to parse out tags like artist, album, etc
-) give lame the wav file from the decode and the tag information and encode at 
high quality

Any way that you do this you are going to lose quality since you are 
transcoding. The only thing that you can do is make sure that you encode your 
mp3s at high enough quality so that you cannot tell the difference between them 
and the original ogg file. If you don't have a regular directory structure, you 
might want to do something like

find . -name "*.ogg" | while read oggfile; do

at the start of your script.

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rant: return receipts

[Tony Baldwin]

I don't know, but I don't think return receipts are appropriate on this 
list.

They're very annoying.

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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[Tony Baldwin]

ZephyrQ wrote:
I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying 
eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.


Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being 
saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.


What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can 
run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can 
with the transfer...






Maybe something like

for i in $(ls -1 *.ogg)
do
n=$i
sox "$n" "$n".mp3"
done

or

oggdec *ogg
lame --preset 192 -ms -h *wav
rm -f *ogg
rm -f *wav
done

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Re: Installing xmonad?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:45, Tony Baldwin  wrote:
> Kelly Clowers wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:26, Tony Baldwin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Foss User wrote:

 I have a simple Debian installation with no desktop environment or
 xserver. I want to try xmonad. Will this be enough to install xmonad?

 aptitude update
 aptitude install xserver-xorg xmonad

 ?


>>> Aptitude should grab any dependencies.
>>> Try dwm or ion3.
>>>
>>> dwm is lighter than xmonad, I think, although to do any configuration,
>>> you
>>> have to completely recompile it.  Navigation is about identical to
>>> xmonad.
>>> All you need to get dwm is aptitude install dwm dwm-tools.
>>> That should also install xorg, of course.
>>> Personally, I've been using ion3, but only because java swing guis don't
>>> play nice with dwm or xmonad, and one of my most used work apps (OmegaT)
>>> uses java swing.
>>
>> Java apps work fine with Awesome, and it doesn't have the kind of
>> baggage that Ion does.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kelly Clowers
>>
>>
>
> H
> I just aptitude got awesome and tried it.
> It does respond better than in Ubuntu, but some bindings are unproductive.
> win+r is supposed to give a run prompt, but does not.
> win-shift-q should kill it, but didn't.  I had to kill it by hand.
> A few other bindings were unproductive.
> Most importantly, it still didn't render my most used work app, OmegaT,
> which has some swing gui windows, correctly.

Huh, I wonder what is wrong with it.  Also, I think maybe some Java
issues where only fixed in 3.x, while it sounds like you are using 2.x
(I suppose you are on Stable). Oh well.


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Re: Second ethernet card seems to cause networking failure?

[Matthias Feichtinger]

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:25:29AM -0700, Frank Miles wrote:

I recently added a second networking card to a hardware-test PC.  This elderly 
machine had been working reasonably well.  The second networking card is for 
eth1, etc., and /sbin/ifconfig shows things as properly connected, with eth0 
being the outside interface and eth1 being an internal 192.168.x.x interface 
for some special internal systems that have absolutely no need to communicate 
with the outside world, just this one PC.

The weird thing is that with normal booting configuration, pinging INet 
addresses fails.  This seems to be related to the order in which the 
interfaces come up: doing
ifdown eth1 ; ifdown eth1 ; ifup eth0; ifup eth1
causes pings to fail; but if eth0/eth1 are reversed (bringing up eth0 last), 
or eth1 is simply suppressed, pinging URLs works (i.e. ping www.debian.org).

Regrettably this last does not entirely solve things - for example, I cannot 
do system updates: "apt-get update" fails to connect.

Eventually, if I play around long enough (killing eth1, killing my firewall - 
which hasn't changed since before adding the second NIC,...) I can do a 
system update but it's not entirely clear what the critical steps were to get 
that working.

I freely admit that I'm a hardware guy - I don't know much about networking.
Does anyone have a suggestion on where I might look to get this working 
properly?
Without sacrificing eth1?  Or at least some better diagnostic[s] to track down
where packets are getting lost?

TIA!
Version 4
As you are suggested to show /etc/network/interfaces there isn't really a need 
for, as long as you start /etc/ini.d/networking after any changes and 
controll it with ifconfig -a. The last one isn't really necessary.
I disabled any thingy of avahi, because there isn't any need for it
(/etc/default/avahi-daemon, /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoip and
/etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-autoip changed from 755 to 644 by chmod
and avahi-daemon -k)
Then go on for routing - this should be fine now, IP-Masquerade-HOWTO if you 
like. 
Networking is fine with 3, I don't know anything with 5.

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

> You could add
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
> 
> to the 'Links' section.

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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

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> I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying
> eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.
> 
> Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being
> saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.
> 
> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can
> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can
> with the transfer...
> 
> 
> 

Try using the following command in the CLI:

for i in *.ogg; do [[ ! -a "${i%ogg}mp3" ]] && oggdec "$i" -o - | lame
- --preset standard - "${i%ogg}mp3" ; done

Haven't tried it myself, but got if off the Ubuntu forums at
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-299969.html. You'll obvously
have to have lame and oggdec installed.

Alternatively use ffmpeg:

ls *.ogg | while read file; do
echo $file
ffmpeg -i "$file" -acodec mp3 "$file"\.mp3
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Re: mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[JoeHill]

ZephyrQ wrote: 

> I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying 
> eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.
> 
> Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being 
> saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.
> 
> What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can 
> run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can 
> with the transfer...

The _first hit_ when I googled 'convert ogg to mp3 linux command line':

http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/short-tip-convert-ogg-file-to-mp3/

There are probably a kajillion others :-)

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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> If you don't want to run any "servers" then you don't want to run Gnome
>> (ORBit = CORBA server), KDE 3 (dcopserver), Xfce (notifications go via the
>> DBus server) or X11 (xorg is an X11 server).
>
>Who says that I don't want to run any servers?

I inferred that based on this:

In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>It doesn't matter to me which RDMBS is
>needed because I have none installed, and before I'm not needing one
>for something, I'm not going to install one --- and maybe even then I
>might not because my computer is a workstation and not a server.

I interpreted that to mean "servers are not appropriate for my computer 
because it isn't a server".  I hope I showed by example how "servers" are not 
foreign to your standard home PC.
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mass conversion from ogg to mp3

[ZephyrQ]

I have a large number of music files (17 gig worth...yes, for all prying 
eyes they are legal...) that I find I need to convert from .ogg to .mp3.


Not that I want to...but between a teenager with an iphone and being 
saddled with cell phone that won't play .ogg...well, you get the picture.


What is the best way to do this?  I would prefer a CLI option that I can 
run in the background, but I want to save as much sound quality as I can 
with the transfer...




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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
>> >I
>> >don't want to run an akonadi server either, whatever that is.
>> Oh, then you don't want to run those parts of KDE; They require a
>> connection to an Akonadi server.  They've been scheduled to since before
>> KDE 4.0 was available.
>Maybe not. I'd be fine without them, if it would work without --- but
>it doesn't.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: That is just not true.  I was careful 
in my package selection and I have a working KDE 4.2 (including my must-have 
kmail) and I do not have a mysql server installed.

KDE 4.2 can work without Akonadi, with a minimum of fuss.

>> Not if the file format was public.  I can understanding not using a format
>> that can't be processed without a particular piece of software, but the
>> on- disk format used by MySQL is public information.  You don't have to
>> use MySQL to access.  You can write your own software or pay someone to
>> write the software for you without the blessing or control of MySQL.
>Where do you find the needed information in 20 years?

On your HD, or wherever you chose to store it.  If the information is public 
you can copy it to any location and translate it to any form you need to.

>And what if you
>want to access the stored information but you don't want to wait a
>year or two before you were eventually able to figure out what format
>was used to store it and to create software allowing you to retrieve
>the information?

Use the old software.  It might not run on the latest release of Debian, but 
it should run on whatever version you had before.  Older releases are 
maintained in the archive, and you can archive whatever you need yourself if 
you don't want to depend on the Debian infrastructure.

No one is forced to upgrade, but support does dwindle for a product over time.

>And BTW, it's not only wasting resources to have a mysql server
>installed that you don't need and don't use, it's also about making
>things more complicated and time consuming when you have a mysql
>server that eventually needs to be adminstered and that you eventually
>have to figure out a way to make backups for?

IIRC, Akonadi uses the "embeded" MySQL by default.  It stores data and 
settings in your $HOME so it would be naturally included in any backup.  It 
also is fully administered by the Akonadi server itself.

>What if you use
>stable and from one distribution to another, or the one after the
>next, they change something about mysql and you suddenly find yourself
>with the problem of having to somehow convert your data to be able to
>use it with the new mysql version?

Data translation issues can, have, and will happen even if "plain text" files.  
KDE generally hides this from the user.  For example, the KDE configuration 
API allows the developer to register a translation that is required (maybe 
something simple like a configuration key rename) and what translations it 
depends on.  The configuration file will contain a list of the translations 
already applied to it and the API will "automatically" apply whatever is 
needed to update the file.

These same issues can be hidden when using RDBMS backed, but the translations 
are usually much faster.
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Re: grub-pc, /boot/ on raid10+lvm

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <20090525092104.ge23...@finrod>, Martin Kraus wrote:
>hi. is it possible to boot from lvm over md raid10 (not raid0 over raid1)
>using grub-pc?

I don't think so.  I know grub2 has a module for understanding Linux LVM, but 
I didn't see some for raid10 or even raid0.

>is should, but i can't get grub-install to work.

IIRC, grub-install is just a shell script, so you might try running it with:
/bin/sh -x $(which grub-install) your arguments for grub-install here

to see what is failing and why.

(IMO, the grub2 documentation is very poor, but I was able to get it working 
on at least one system.)
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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,25.May.09, 18:44:25, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> OK, I made a small write-up now (aimed at users like myself) about
> the ‘New Input System’ in Debian. Comments welcome --
> 
>   http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html#T6.3
 
You could add

http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide

to the 'Links' section.

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Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Tony Baldwin]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon,25.May.09, 06:16:37, Peter Crawford wrote:
The xfce4-panel package is installed but 
for a few days now panels have been absent 
from Xfce4 in Squeeze.  No system tray.  
Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
yields nothing.  
 
What do you mean by "yields nothing". Are there any panels configured?  
Try adding a new one.



Is there a simple solution?


Maybe, but more info is needed.

Regards,
Andrei


What happens if you
aptitude -f install xfce4-panel
or something?

And have you tried to run the panel from console?
ie.
$ xfce4-panel
I think that's the command...I don't have xfce on this box, but on 
another for my daughter.


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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,25.May.09, 16:20:44, marc wrote:

> I read a defensive post on the Kubuntu list - there is a *lot* of 
> defensiveness around kde4 at the moment - that claims that kde4 is a 
> rewrite and so users should adjust their expectations accordingly.
> 
> It reminded me of Joel Spolsky's article, 'Things You Should Never Do':
> 
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html
> 
> "They make the single worst strategic mistake that any software company 
> can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch."
> 
> "if [they] actually had some adult supervision with software industry 
> experience, they might not have shot themselves in the foot so badly."
 
Looks like an interesting article, but I didn't see any mention of FLOSS 
other than using emacs to write it, all examples are based on 
proprietary software.

> The whole kde4 fiasco has radically altered my view of FOSS. I now know, 
> with very few exceptions, that the leaders of FOSS projects are very, 
> very inexperienced at real world software delivery.

You are assuming a market. FOSS works more like a jungle: survival of 
the fittest. Maybe some users will migrate away from KDE, maybe some 
will join. Only time will tell.

> Heaven help us when Linus moves on. I bet there are folk lining up to 
> rewrite the kernel right now. And there will be a huge queue of folk 
> right behind them shrieking, "New! Shiny!".

How much code does 2.6 have in common with 2.4?

> I think I'll buy a Mac.

Of course, they just "rewrote" the entire OS ;)

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Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,25.May.09, 06:16:37, Peter Crawford wrote:
> 
> The xfce4-panel package is installed but 
> for a few days now panels have been absent 
> from Xfce4 in Squeeze.  No system tray.  
> Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
> yields nothing.  
 
What do you mean by "yields nothing". Are there any panels configured?  
Try adding a new one.

> Is there a simple solution?

Maybe, but more info is needed.

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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Tony Baldwin]

Harry Rickards wrote:

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On 05/25/09 17:48, Tony Baldwin wrote:

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:

[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]

There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
with only crappy software. I'm beginning to become more and more
unhappy with Debian. The quality has gone down quite a bit already. If
they keep going this way, we'll all be using windoze in about 10
years.

I won't comment on your rant, but you are directing it to the wrong
people. Debian ships KDE, but it was not Debian who introduced these
changes, but rather the KDE developers instead.



Seriously.
It's KDE that sucks.
Use Openbox, Fluxbox, LXDE, Ion3, xmonad, jmw, dwm, awm, fvwm,
Xfce...some other wm with less bloat and eyecandy.

/tony


+1. I use Openbox and before I bogged it down with a load of custom
themes, login scripts etc I had an instant login. I typed my username
and password and I was ready to go. That's on the same machine that took
3 - 5 minutes to login when I had KDE4 installed.



Yeah, I dig openbox.
It is set as my default wm, but lately I've also been experimenting with
Ion3, dwm, xmonad.  I like dwm and xmonad, but java swing guis don't 
render properly, which I need for work.

Ion3 isn't bad.

/tony

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Re: Difference between X and Xorg commands?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,25.May.09, 13:41:28, Foss User wrote:
> I installed xserver-xorg like this:
> 
> aptitude install xserver-xorg
> 
> I see two commands have appeared.
> 
> X from xserver-xorg
> Xorg from xserver-xorg-core
> 
> What is the difference between the two commands?

If you only want to start X use the command 'startx'. If you are just 
curios you can always download the source and study it ;)

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Re: Installing xmonad?

[Kelly Clowers]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 05:26, Tony Baldwin  wrote:
> Foss User wrote:
>>
>> I have a simple Debian installation with no desktop environment or
>> xserver. I want to try xmonad. Will this be enough to install xmonad?
>>
>> aptitude update
>> aptitude install xserver-xorg xmonad
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>
> Aptitude should grab any dependencies.
> Try dwm or ion3.
>
> dwm is lighter than xmonad, I think, although to do any configuration, you
> have to completely recompile it.  Navigation is about identical to xmonad.
> All you need to get dwm is aptitude install dwm dwm-tools.
> That should also install xorg, of course.
> Personally, I've been using ion3, but only because java swing guis don't
> play nice with dwm or xmonad, and one of my most used work apps (OmegaT)
> uses java swing.

Java apps work fine with Awesome, and it doesn't have the kind of
baggage that Ion does.


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How to automate a disconnecting by times gprs-stuff?

[Sthu Deus]

Good day.

My GPRS-modem that is in my cellar phone disconnects with such records
in /var/log/messages:

May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: LCP terminated by peer
(^...@^@^...@^@^...@^@^...@^@)
May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: Connect time
135.2 minutes.
May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: Sent 5064125 bytes,
received 23658014 bytes.
May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: Hangup
(SIGHUP)
May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: Modem hangup
May 25 02:17:49 pppd[5621]: Connection terminated.
May 25 02:17:57 kernel: [15434.027785] usb 3-1: USB disconnect,
address 2

Nothing helps until I plug it out (from USB port) and plug it in again.

My question is whither it is possible that a software will take it on
itself to do that automatically - for I am not always there at the
disconnect moment. Or may You can suggest some work around to
solve/ease my case?

Thank You for Your time.


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Re: Alt-F7 fails

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> OK, I made a small write-up now (aimed at users like myself) about
> the ‘New Input System’ in Debian. Comments welcome --
> 
>   http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html#T6.3
> 
> Regards, Jan
> 
> 
> 
Thanks for the great writeup. I'd previously heard murmurings about this
'New Input System', but until reading that didn't know anything about it
in detail. Am I right in thinking that this 'New Input System' is in
Ubuntu as well, and has been since Jaunty (9.04)?

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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[marc]

lee said:

> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58:34AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:

> 
>> But why do you want to use KDE at all?
> 
> Why not? I liked some of the things it provided, but that doesn't mean I
> would use or need all its features. I tried out the calendar/PIM it has
> and I didn't like it: So why should I run a mysql server for that?
> 
> Besides all that, shouldn't things after an upgrade work as well or
> better as they did before? In this case, they don't.

I read a defensive post on the Kubuntu list - there is a *lot* of 
defensiveness around kde4 at the moment - that claims that kde4 is a 
rewrite and so users should adjust their expectations accordingly.

It reminded me of Joel Spolsky's article, 'Things You Should Never Do':

  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html

"They make the single worst strategic mistake that any software company 
can make: They decided to rewrite the code from scratch."

"if [they] actually had some adult supervision with software industry 
experience, they might not have shot themselves in the foot so badly."

The whole kde4 fiasco has radically altered my view of FOSS. I now know, 
with very few exceptions, that the leaders of FOSS projects are very, 
very inexperienced at real world software delivery.

Heaven help us when Linus moves on. I bet there are folk lining up to 
rewrite the kernel right now. And there will be a huge queue of folk 
right behind them shrieking, "New! Shiny!".

I think I'll buy a Mac.

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

OK, I made a small write-up now (aimed at users like myself) about
the ‘New Input System’ in Debian. Comments welcome --

  http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html#T6.3

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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

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On 05/25/09 17:48, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
>> On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:
>>> [snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]
>>>
>>> There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
>>> everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
>>> them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
>>> with only crappy software. I'm beginning to become more and more
>>> unhappy with Debian. The quality has gone down quite a bit already. If
>>> they keep going this way, we'll all be using windoze in about 10
>>> years.
>>
>> I won't comment on your rant, but you are directing it to the wrong
>> people. Debian ships KDE, but it was not Debian who introduced these
>> changes, but rather the KDE developers instead.
>>
>>
> 
> Seriously.
> It's KDE that sucks.
> Use Openbox, Fluxbox, LXDE, Ion3, xmonad, jmw, dwm, awm, fvwm,
> Xfce...some other wm with less bloat and eyecandy.
> 
> /tony
> 
+1. I use Openbox and before I bogged it down with a load of custom
themes, login scripts etc I had an instant login. I typed my username
and password and I was ready to go. That's on the same machine that took
3 - 5 minutes to login when I had KDE4 installed.

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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Tony Baldwin]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:

[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]

There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
with only crappy software. I'm beginning to become more and more
unhappy with Debian. The quality has gone down quite a bit already. If
they keep going this way, we'll all be using windoze in about 10
years.


I won't comment on your rant, but you are directing it to the wrong 
people. Debian ships KDE, but it was not Debian who introduced these 
changes, but rather the KDE developers instead.





Seriously.
It's KDE that sucks.
Use Openbox, Fluxbox, LXDE, Ion3, xmonad, jmw, dwm, awm, fvwm, 
Xfce...some other wm with less bloat and eyecandy.


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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On Seg, 25 Mai 2009, lee wrote:

[snip rant about some kde apps requiring mysql server]

There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of their computers away from
them, make things unfixable --- and the next step is to provide them
with only crappy software. I'm beginning to become more and more
unhappy with Debian. The quality has gone down quite a bit already. If
they keep going this way, we'll all be using windoze in about 10
years.


I won't comment on your rant, but you are directing it to the wrong  
people. Debian ships KDE, but it was not Debian who introduced these  
changes, but rather the KDE developers instead.



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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[lee]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote:
> >On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:15:36PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >> It's really a KDE problem, although the solution will probably cause
> >> some trouble for the Debian packaging team as well.  Especially
> >> minimizing the amount of configuration required while still allowing
> >> multiple possible backends.
> >
> >That isn't really the problem.
> >I
> >don't want to run an akonadi server either, whatever that is.
> 
> Oh, then you don't want to run those parts of KDE; They require a connection 
> to an Akonadi server.  They've been scheduled to since before KDE 4.0 was 
> available.

Maybe not. I'd be fine without them, if it would work without --- but
it doesn't.

> If you don't want to run any "servers" then you don't want to run Gnome 
> (ORBit = CORBA server), KDE 3 (dcopserver), Xfce (notifications go via the 
> DBus server) or X11 (xorg is an X11 server).

Who says that I don't want to run any servers?

> >Why don't they save the data in human readable text files in users'
> >home directories without needing all kinds of external server
> >software?
> 
> Performance, cross-referencing, and indexing.

If they have problems with that for the maybe 5 to 10 entries I might
make in a calendar within a year, then there must be something
basically wrong with that calendar. Utilizing a RDBMS like mysql for
that isn't a good solution for that problem. Do you have and use an
18wheeler to go to the store to buy your groceries for a week?

> >It's not like I had 50 appointments or a company with
> >thousands of users for which a central database server to store
> >appointments might make sense. 
> 
> The applications and frameworks are designed to work for individuals with 
> few appointments and also scale to the largest groupware installations.

That's nice, but it obviously doesn't scale for those individuals with
few appointments. It might work for them as well as an 18wheeler works
for buying groceries, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable or that
anyone who doesn't need it would want to use it.

Do you have all available software installed and all available servers
running, even though you don't need or want them? Probably not ...

> >Even if I had that, the installation
> >doesn't ask if I want to use a mysql server on another host.
> 
> But, it will be possible to set that up in the future.  

They should have something that scales well for few appointments as
well. Or it should work without these applications.

> >Besides, entrusting important information to a particular application
> >is not an option. If I had done that over the last 15 years, I'd
> >probably have lost that information several times or it would have at
> >least become inaccessable.
> 
> Not if the file format was public.  I can understanding not using a format 
> that can't be processed without a particular piece of software, but the on-
> disk format used by MySQL is public information.  You don't have to use 
> MySQL to access.  You can write your own software or pay someone to write 
> the software for you without the blessing or control of MySQL.

Where do you find the needed information in 20 years? And what if you
want to access the stored information but you don't want to wait a
year or two before you were eventually able to figure out what format
was used to store it and to create software allowing you to retrieve
the information? It doesn't make sense to create such an inconvenience
in the first place. Sometimes it cannot be avoided or is at least hard
to avoid, but that is unfortunate and it would be better to come up
with ways that don't create the problem instead of coming up with more
and more "solutions" that do create this problem.

And BTW, it's not only wasting resources to have a mysql server
installed that you don't need and don't use, it's also about making
things more complicated and time consuming when you have a mysql
server that eventually needs to be adminstered and that you eventually
have to figure out a way to make backups for? I don't know in
particular what would use mysql, so I might suddenly find that I lost
data after reinstalling because I didn't know that I had to backup a
mysql database somewhere (and reinstall that, too). What if you use
stable and from one distribution to another, or the one after the
next, they change something about mysql and you suddenly find yourself
with the problem of having to somehow convert your data to be able to
use it with the new mysql version?

Obviously, they don't have things thought out well enough. If they
had, they wouldn't just throw in a mysql server (without notice
even!), but they would offer that as an option you could upgrade to if
you needed that, and you'd have to do that deliberately.

There seems to be too much windoze thinking entering Debian: Hide
everything from the users, take control of 

Re: SSH & iptables

[pch0317]

Thanks for answers.


Alex Samad wrote:

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:53:58PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
  

iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -j DROP

but that will not work how you expect (don't implement it remotely )
  

How would one implement it remotely? I (may have) read somewhere that
blocking everything but ssh wouldn't mess with your ssh session, but
i'm not sure.



the above line would allow ssh only traffic but block everything else,
like ntp, dns, email, icmp - both inbound and outbound

maybe your should read a bit more about firewall/iptables. I believe
other people recommend shorewall as an easy / safe application to use
for firewalls.

I would also suggest if you are doing this remotely (and you have no
access to the console).

investigate screen, have one window left open with a command line
something like this running

sleep 500 && 

Alex


  

Would a cron job or a sleep do?




  



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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )

[lee]

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:58:34AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> lee writes:
> > So what have they been thinking to come up with something like that?
> 
> Microsoft Exchange.

And they are running a mysql-server on every client so that they don't
need a server for it?

I used to be fine with 2GB of RAM, but 2GB is what a web browser alone
eventually uses now. Now I need 8GB already, and I'm not doing
anything else or more than I used to. What am I going to need in three
years? 64GB or 128GB probably and at least two multi-core CPUs, but
will there be the hardware that supports that?

What about efficiency?

> But why do you want to use KDE at all?

Why not? I liked some of the things it provided, but that doesn't mean
I would use or need all its features. I tried out the calendar/PIM it
has and I didn't like it: So why should I run a mysql server for that?

Besides all that, shouldn't things after an upgrade work as well or
better as they did before? In this case, they don't.


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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Sven Joachim  wrote:
> On 2009-05-25 17:02 +0200, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jochen Schulz  
>> wrote:
>>> Jan Willem Stumpel:

 Section "ServerFlags"
         Option "DontZap"        "off"
 EndSection

 By this means I got control-alt-backspace back. Or is there also a
 non-xorg.conf way of getting the same thing?
>>>
>>> No, that's exactly what you are supposed to do.
>>
>> Hmm.  According to the Xorg man page, the default behavior is thus:
>>
>> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
>>                Immediately  kills  the server -- no questions asked.  This 
>> can
>>                be disabled with the DontZap xorg.conf(5) file option.
>>
>> So ENabling it in xorg.conf should be unnecessary.
>
> Note that this has changed in xorg-server 1.6, DontZap is on there by
> default.

Ah, that explains it; my testing system has 1.4.2.

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-05-25 17:02 +0200, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
>> Jan Willem Stumpel:
>>>
>>> Section "ServerFlags"
>>>         Option "DontZap"        "off"
>>> EndSection
>>>
>>> By this means I got control-alt-backspace back. Or is there also a
>>> non-xorg.conf way of getting the same thing?
>>
>> No, that's exactly what you are supposed to do.
>
> Hmm.  According to the Xorg man page, the default behavior is thus:
>
> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
>Immediately  kills  the server -- no questions asked.  This can
>be disabled with the DontZap xorg.conf(5) file option.
>
> So ENabling it in xorg.conf should be unnecessary.

Note that this has changed in xorg-server 1.6, DontZap is on there by
default.

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jochen Schulz  wrote:
> Jan Willem Stumpel:
>>
>> Section "ServerFlags"
>>         Option "DontZap"        "off"
>> EndSection
>>
>> By this means I got control-alt-backspace back. Or is there also a
>> non-xorg.conf way of getting the same thing?
>
> No, that's exactly what you are supposed to do.

Hmm.  According to the Xorg man page, the default behavior is thus:

Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
   Immediately  kills  the server -- no questions asked.  This can
   be disabled with the DontZap xorg.conf(5) file option.

So ENabling it in xorg.conf should be unnecessary.

Patrick


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Re: hanging up for the previous P2P user

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> On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 09:50 +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
>> Tony Baldwin writes:
>>
>>> I'm just guessing here, but I honestly thought killing the client
>>> should stop the incoming connections from seeking the ip, so I'm a
>>> little confused, and curious about the matter, now that you've brought
>>> it up.
>> I've used transsmission(1). When one wants to stop torrenting,
>> transsmission spends several seconds saying proper goodbyes to the
>> tracker or whatever, then exits.
>>
>> What I assume is happening here is when I connect to my ISP, the
>> previous user of that IP address has not said these proper goodbyes,
>> hence 'the liquor store has been converted to a church but not all the
>> previous customer know that so they keep on knocking on the door'.
> 
> I was under the impression -- perhaps incorrect -- that it takes time
> for information about which nodes are still available on the network at
> any given time to spread across the network.  I wouldn't necessarily
> presume that the previous user hasn't said his "proper goodbyes," just
> that the fact that he has signed off hasn't registered everywhere yet.
> Likewise, when you shut down transmission, what it does is send your
> transfer totals to the tracker (which is really only relevant if you're
> using a private tracker, or some other tracker that needs to know your
> ratios for some reason) and disconnects.  But your availability on the
> network has already spread to other clients connected to the same
> trackers you're connected to, and in turn from them to still more
> clients that will connect to those trackers.  The clients don't
> broadcast information about who has signed on or off -- they only
> attempt to establish a connection when they're needing connections.  So
> someone coming on to the network, say, 15 minutes after you've left
> might still try to connect to you because his client is getting
> information from another client that doesn't know yet that you've left
> (because it has not attempted to establish a connection with your client
> in the time since you left).  In a reasonably short period of time,
> every client that knew about you will figure out that you are no longer
> available, and will stop passing on your information.
> 
> It's kind of a daisy chain of information, where everybody's information
> is not exactly up-to-the-minute, but it's current enough for the network
> to function effectively.  If everybody on the network knew, instantly,
> when any given person had signed on or off, then it wouldn't really be a
> decentralized network.
> 
While I agree with everything you've said, if the torrent client were to
send a sign-off signal to all nodes connected to it which would then in
turn *immediately* rebroadcast that to all the nodes connected to it,
wouldn't it still be a decentralised network but with no problem's like
the OP's? Although, I suppose that would create a lot of extra traffic
which would cause slower download speeds.

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Jochen Schulz]

Jan Willem Stumpel:
> 
> Section "ServerFlags"
> Option "DontZap""off"
> EndSection
> 
> By this means I got control-alt-backspace back. Or is there also a
> non-xorg.conf way of getting the same thing?

No, that's exactly what you are supposed to do.

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Re: hanging up for the previous P2P user

[Michael M. Moore]

On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 09:50 +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> Tony Baldwin writes:
> 
> > I'm just guessing here, but I honestly thought killing the client
> > should stop the incoming connections from seeking the ip, so I'm a
> > little confused, and curious about the matter, now that you've brought
> > it up.
> 
> I've used transsmission(1). When one wants to stop torrenting,
> transsmission spends several seconds saying proper goodbyes to the
> tracker or whatever, then exits.
> 
> What I assume is happening here is when I connect to my ISP, the
> previous user of that IP address has not said these proper goodbyes,
> hence 'the liquor store has been converted to a church but not all the
> previous customer know that so they keep on knocking on the door'.

I was under the impression -- perhaps incorrect -- that it takes time
for information about which nodes are still available on the network at
any given time to spread across the network.  I wouldn't necessarily
presume that the previous user hasn't said his "proper goodbyes," just
that the fact that he has signed off hasn't registered everywhere yet.
Likewise, when you shut down transmission, what it does is send your
transfer totals to the tracker (which is really only relevant if you're
using a private tracker, or some other tracker that needs to know your
ratios for some reason) and disconnects.  But your availability on the
network has already spread to other clients connected to the same
trackers you're connected to, and in turn from them to still more
clients that will connect to those trackers.  The clients don't
broadcast information about who has signed on or off -- they only
attempt to establish a connection when they're needing connections.  So
someone coming on to the network, say, 15 minutes after you've left
might still try to connect to you because his client is getting
information from another client that doesn't know yet that you've left
(because it has not attempted to establish a connection with your client
in the time since you left).  In a reasonably short period of time,
every client that knew about you will figure out that you are no longer
available, and will stop passing on your information.

It's kind of a daisy chain of information, where everybody's information
is not exactly up-to-the-minute, but it's current enough for the network
to function effectively.  If everybody on the network knew, instantly,
when any given person had signed on or off, then it wouldn't really be a
decentralized network.

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Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Tony Baldwin]

Peter Crawford wrote:
The xfce4-panel package is installed but 
for a few days now panels have been absent 
from Xfce4 in Squeeze.  No system tray.  
Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
yields nothing.  


Is there a simple solution?

Thanks, ... Peter E.




Use openbox/lxde.

:P

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Re: Alt-F7 fails

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Steve Kemp wrote:
>   You can dump a skeleton xorg.conf file by running, as root:
> 
> dexconf

Yes, this gives an absolutely bare-bones xorg.conf with one
"section"  in it:

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Configured Video Device"
EndSection

It works; and in fact, even without any xorg.conf, it works also.

I understand now that the goal of the recent changes was to get
rid of xorg.conf, because X should get the information it needs
from elsewhere, and automatically.

So far so good, but.. with this "skeleton" xorg.conf,
control-alt-backspace for getting out of X no longer works. What I
did was to insert, as the first section in xorg.conf, a
"ServerFlags" section:

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "DontZap""off"
EndSection

By this means I got control-alt-backspace back. Or is there also a
non-xorg.conf way of getting the same thing?

Regards, Jan


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Multiple iso in a single dvd

[Kousik Maiti]

Hi lists,
Can anybody help me by giving instructions to create a bootable image
containing multiple iso. I want to create a DVD image which may contain iso
of different debian flavour .

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Re: OT Looking for certain Geode LX Board

[Sascha Silbe]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 02:05:18PM -0500, Brent Kolasinski wrote:

I'm pretty sure AMD stopped manufacturing Geode CPU's a year or so 
ago.

Wikipedia says otherwise:

[1]:
In 2009, comments by AMD indicated that there are no plans for any 
future micro architecture upgrades to the processor and that there 
will be no successor. But the processors will still be available.^[2].


This doesn't help the OP, though :-/


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_(processor)#AMD_Geode
[2] 
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/274414/amd_sees_no_geode_chip_replacement_sight


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Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze

[Peter Crawford]

The xfce4-panel package is installed but 
for a few days now panels have been absent 
from Xfce4 in Squeeze.  No system tray.  
Desktop menu -> Applications ->  Settings ->  Panel 
yields nothing.  

Is there a simple solution?

Thanks, ... Peter E.


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Re: OT Looking for certain Geode LX Board

[andmalc]

On May 23, 3:10 pm, Brent Kolasinski  wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Martin  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> 
> > I'm currently playing around with a pcengines board with a geode
> > processor. Now it does have an IDE connector but I'd rather like SATA.
> 
> > Some googling pointed me to:http://www.amd.com/geodelxnasrdk105-
> > unfortunately I can't find any vendor for this board. Anyone knows
> > where to get it (I'm in Europe/Austria so US only shipping isn't an
> > option).
> 
> > thanks for any hints
> > Martin
> 
> I'm pretty sure AMD stopped manufacturing Geode CPU's a year or so
> ago.  I did a search for about 15 minutes  and couldn't come up with
> anything.  You might be out of luck.  Instead of trying to find this
> board would a SATA to IDE converter work better?  This might be the
> only feasible option.

The PCEngines Alix boards the OP is referring to are current

Martin: you might have more luck with this question by posting it to the
Voyage Linux list.

I suppose you're running a light-duty server: does your research show a
significant performance benefit in using SATA vs. plain IDE?

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