Re: Unidentified subject!

[Mihamina Rakotomandimby]

On 2013-06-23 08:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 23:36 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

If you have important data on the laptop, you should plug in an
external drive and dd the entire laptop drive to an image file on the
external drive (which must have at least as much free space as the
laptop drive's size).

A very good advice, so the OP can try to recover it as often as needed,
by dd'ing it back.


dd'ing an alive system would drive to filesystem inconsistencies.
A running system, with running applications, I mean.
I wouldnt trust that.

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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 23:36 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> If you have important data on the laptop, you should plug in an
> external drive and dd the entire laptop drive to an image file on the
> external drive (which must have at least as much free space as the
> laptop drive's size).

A very good advice, so the OP can try to recover it as often as needed,
by dd'ing it back.



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Re: computer rendered un-usable

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 22:56 -0400, Doug wrote:
> /  and /home  and /swap.

It usually makes no sense to have it on separated partitions.



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Re: computer rendered un-usable

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 18:45 -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 06/22/13 13:42, Lagun Adeshina wrote:
> > 1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7
> > 2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures
> > 3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had used 
> > the RAID5 Partition then
> > 4. I went on to stop the installing
> > 5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing
> > 6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7
> > 7. Help me please
> 
> I'll assume that your computer has one drive (SSD or HDD) and that you 
> are just starting to learn Linux.  I'm not sure if you also want to run 
> Windows.
> 
> 
> The are several choices:
> 
> 1.  Fix or reinstall Windows, install virtual machine software, and 
> install Linux into a virtual machine.
> 
> 2.  Wipe the drive and install Linux.
> 
> 3.  Install both Windows and Linux on the drive (dual boot).
> 
> 
> #1 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
> Windows, will offer the best Windows experience, and will allow you to 
> play with Linux with reduced risk of breaking Windows.  If you don't 
> know how to install, configure, and administer Windows, there are many 
> technicians and stores that can fix it for you.  Once you have Windows 
> working again, this is probably the best option for a Linux novice.
> 
> 
> #2 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
> Linux, and will offer the best Linux experience.  Hiring a tech to do 
> this could be problematic; every Linux operator has their own style for 
> installing, configuring, and administering Linux.  Also, beware that 
> eMachines may have put software installation images (including Windows) 
> and/or other important data on the drive at the factory; wiping the 
> drive will destroy those items!  This option only makes sense if you 
> have installation discs for all your software and are confident that 
> there is no important data on your system drive.
> 
> 
> #3 requires knowledge of both Windows and Linux, but I found it to be 
> impractical -- I wanted both Windows and Linux running at the same time. 
>   (My solution was to have two computers -- one Windows and one Linux.) 
>   This is the most complex option.
> 
> 
> As always, you should back-up all of your data before wiping, 
> partitioning, formatting, etc., your drive and/or installing another 
> operating system.  It's also good to take an image of the entire drive 
> before and after such operations so that you can quickly, easily, and 
> reliably return the drive to a known state at any time.
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> David

I completely disagree with David! Multi-boot or Linux only is the best!
Don't run it on different machines or more bad, don't run Linux in a
Windows host.



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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 01:32 +0100, Lagun Adeshina wrote:
> All I did was try to install Debian 7 and the RAID5 was just some
> option that came up during partitioning.
> I read about it and understood it was supposed to keep whole old stuff
> sale. That was my understanding and I'm left with no OS neither Debian
> nor win7


If you should have good luck, the data still might be there, you perhaps
need to recover the original partition table/partition(s).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TestDisk#Partition_recovery

Since I don't know enough about Windows, you should _not_ follow my
advice directly, but wait until somebody does confirm that this is ok,
resp. not ok.

You didn't backup everything, before you tried to install Windows?

If recovering should work, we could explain how to backup the partition
table. I'm not sure if backing up a Windows is really safe.

Regards,
Ralf



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Re: Problem with flash drive

[Ethan Rosenberg, PhD]

  
  
On 06/21/2013 04:00 AM, Klaus wrote:

Ethan,
  
  
  when you create a new partition table on the device, then the
  kernel needs to know about it. With a flash memory card, just
  unplug and re-plug it.
  
  You don't need to run fdisk first, since you copy an entire disk
  image, this comes with partition table and all.
  
  Is your mounting read-only intended?
  
  
  $ bunzip2  FreeDOS-1.1-USB-Boot.img.bz2
  
  
  $ ls -l FreeDOS-1.1-USB-Boot.img
  
  -rw-r- 1 klaus klaus 32505856 Jun 21 08:38
  FreeDOS-1.1-USB-Boot.img
  
  
  $ dd if=FreeDOS-1.1-USB-Boot.img of=/dev/sdb
  
  63488+0 records in
  
  63488+0 records out
  
  32505856 bytes (33 MB) copied, 5.38615 s, 6.0 MB/s
  
  $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
  
  
  Disk /dev/sdb: 2017 MB, 2017459712 bytes
  
  64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 1923 cylinders, total 3940351 sectors
  
  Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
  
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  
  Disk identifier: 0x00077d8f
  
  
     Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
  
  /dev/sdb1   *  32   63487   31728    e  W95 FAT16
  (LBA)
  
  
  $ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 mnt/
  
  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
  
     missing codepage or helper program, or other error
  
     In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
  
     dmesg | tail  or so
  
  
  -  DISCONNECTED DEVICE, THEN PLUGGED BACK IN
  
  -  GETS AUTOMATICALLY MOUNTED IN
  /MEDIA/$username/$disk-id
  
  
  
  $ ls -l /media/klaus/FREEDOS1~1A/
  
  total 111
  
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 klaus klaus 66945 Jan 17  2012 command.com
  
  -rw-r--r-- 1 klaus klaus 45344 Jan 17  2012 kernel.sys
  
  
  $ cp test.txt /media/klaus/FREEDOS1~1A/
  
  
  $ ls -l /media/klaus/FREEDOS1~1A/
  
  total 112
  
  -rwxr-xr-x 1 klaus klaus 66945 Jan 17  2012 command.com
  
  -rw-r--r-- 1 klaus klaus 45344 Jan 17  2012 kernel.sys
  
  -rw-r--r-- 1 klaus klaus    36 Jun 21 08:48 test.txt
  
  
  
  On 21/06/13 05:29, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:
  
  Ken -


Tried what you said, but I cannot make it work.


Here is what I did:


fdisk /dev/sdb


Command (m for help): d

Selected partition 1


Command (m for help):

Command (m for help): p


Disk /dev/sdb: 4051 MB, 4051697664 bytes

64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 3864 cylinders, total 7913472
sectors

Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes

Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

Disk identifier: 0x00077d8f


    Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System


Command (m for help): n

Partition type:

    p   primary (0 primary, 0 extended, 4 free)

    e   extended

Select (default p):

Using default response p

Partition number (1-4, default 1):

Using default value 1

First sector (2048-7913471, default 2048): 0

Value out of range.

First sector (2048-7913471, default 2048): 1

Value out of range.

First sector (2048-7913471, default 2048):

Using default value 2048

Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G} (2048-7913471, default
7913471):

989184


Command (m for help): t

Selected partition 1

Hex code (type L to list codes): e

Changed system type of partition 1 to e (W95 FAT16 (LBA))


Command (m for help): w

The partition table has been altered!


Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.


WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16:
Device or

resource busy.

The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used
at

the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)


dd if=/home/ethan/DOSutil/FreeDOS-1.1-USB-Boot.img of=/dev/sdb

63488+0 records in

63488+0 records out

  

Re: Unidentified subject!

[Gary Dale]

On 22/06/13 08:32 PM, Lagun Adeshina wrote:

> *From:* Gary Dale 
> *To:* debian-user@lists.debian.org
> *Cc:* debian-user@lists.debian.org
> *Sent:* Saturday, 22 June 2013, 21:47
> *Subject:* Re: Unidentified subject!
>
> On 22/06/13 04:38 PM, Lagun Adeshina wrote:
>  > > Hi Guys,
>  > > I need your help.
>  >
>  > > 1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7
>  >
>  > > 2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the
> procedures
>  >
>  > > 3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had
>  > > used the RAID5 Partition then
>  >
>  > > 4. I went on to stop the installing
>  >
>  > > 5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing
>  >
>  > > 6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7
>  >
>  > > 7. Help me please
>
>
> This could be that the Windows 7 partition was corrupted. I always
> advise people to do the partitioning outside of the installation when
> doing a dual-boot. The reason is that Windows file systems are touchy
> and probably need to be checked after being resized.
>
> The fact that you seem to have a RAID 5 array, which I'm guessing is
> using the SATA RAID drivers for Windows, makes things more complicated.
>
> However, we need more information on what exactly your setup is, where
> the RAID 5 comes in, and what happens when you try to boot.





All I did was try to install Debian 7 and the RAID5 was just some option
that came up during partitioning.
I read about it and understood it was supposed to keep whole old stuff
sale. That was my understanding and I'm left with no OS neither Debian
nor win7



I have no idea how you managed to get a RAID 5 option on a laptop. 
However, I suppose it is possible. Anyway, I doubt that Windows would 
have installed on it. It sounds like you've messed up the partitioning. 
I suggest you boot from parted magic (http://partedmagic.com/) and try 
to recover the original partitioning. (It's also possible that it is 
intact and it's just the Windows bootloader that has been corrupted. 
Check on a Windows site to find out to fix a corrupted boot loader.)


If you have important data on the laptop, you should plug in an external 
drive and dd the entire laptop drive to an image file on the external 
drive (which must have at least as much free space as the laptop drive's 
size).


Once you have a copy of the drive, try to recover the old partition 
information so you can mount the drive and copy the files off of it onto 
some other medium.


Only then should you try to get Windows to boot again.

Warning: you've messed up your system and shouldn't try to recover it 
unless you feel comfortable doing so. Otherwise, find someone who knows 
how to do this to do it for you. Recovering important files is easy to 
mess up and the techs at the big box stores frequently don't understand 
the process.


Linux setup shouldn't cause the symptoms you described but it also 
shouldn't have offered a RAID 5 option when you only have one drive in 
your laptop. It is also possible that you ignored the instructions to 
make sure your Windows partition is clean before resizing it to make 
room for Linux.



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Re: Tray Icon

[Ethan Rosenberg, PhD]

2013/6/21 Ethan Rosenberg, PhD :

Ralf -

Tried it all.

No luck.

Any other ideas?

Ethan
===

On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 19:26 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg, PhD wrote:


How do i get the icon that indicates there are updates to download to
return?



Perhaps it's provided by "update-manager*"? I don't like it, but I
remember I sometimes had to remove it or something similar, from some
distro's default installs in the past. Perhaps synaptic does provide
this option too?




Assuming Gnome:
IIRC, update-manager has been removed from testing, and I don't think
it is installed
by default in Wheezy (stable). It has been superseded by another
graphical update manager: gnome-packagekit.
This new update manager (part of upstream Gnome) also has an icon in the 
'tray',

but looks different, also it doesn't pop up at the same frequency as
the old one,
there might be some delay.

Regards,
Steven

Stephen -

Thanks.

I am running sid.  Gnome 3.4.2

Is there any icon for that?

TIA

Ethan

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Re: computer rendered un-usable

[Doug]

On 06/22/2013 09:45 PM, David Christensen wrote:
> On 06/22/13 13:42, Lagun Adeshina wrote:
>> 1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7
>> 2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures
>> 3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had used 
>> the RAID5 Partition then
>> 4. I went on to stop the installing
>> 5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing
>> 6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7
>> 7. Help me please
> 
> I'll assume that your computer has one drive (SSD or HDD) and that you 
> are just starting to learn Linux.  I'm not sure if you also want to run 
> Windows.
> 
> 
> The are several choices:
> 
> 1.  Fix or reinstall Windows, install virtual machine software, and 
> install Linux into a virtual machine.
> 
> 2.  Wipe the drive and install Linux.
> 
> 3.  Install both Windows and Linux on the drive (dual boot).
> 
> 
> #1 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
> Windows, will offer the best Windows experience, and will allow you to 
> play with Linux with reduced risk of breaking Windows.  If you don't 
> know how to install, configure, and administer Windows, there are many 
> technicians and stores that can fix it for you.  Once you have Windows 
> working again, this is probably the best option for a Linux novice.
> 
> 
> #2 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
> Linux, and will offer the best Linux experience.  Hiring a tech to do 
> this could be problematic; every Linux operator has their own style for 
> installing, configuring, and administering Linux.  Also, beware that 
> eMachines may have put software installation images (including Windows) 
> and/or other important data on the drive at the factory; wiping the 
> drive will destroy those items!  This option only makes sense if you 
> have installation discs for all your software and are confident that 
> there is no important data on your system drive.
> 
> 
> #3 requires knowledge of both Windows and Linux, but I found it to be 
> impractical -- I wanted both Windows and Linux running at the same time. 
>   (My solution was to have two computers -- one Windows and one Linux.) 
>   This is the most complex option.
> 
> 
> As always, you should back-up all of your data before wiping, 
> partitioning, formatting, etc., your drive and/or installing another 
> operating system.  It's also good to take an image of the entire drive 
> before and after such operations so that you can quickly, easily, and 
> reliably return the drive to a known state at any time.
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> David
> 
> 


I have been running dual-boot systems for quite a few years now. I also
do what David said: I have one computer on which I customarily run
Windows 7, (altho it dual-boots with PCLOS-KDE-64) and another computer
which customarily runs PCLOS-KDE-32 (altho it dual boots with Windows 8,
Classic Shell add-on). I personally would not try to run any version of
Linux from within Windows--I think that's just asking for trouble!
(As you seem to have found out!)  There should be no difficulty setting
up dual-booting, once you get Windows working again.

The advice to set up your partitions outside of the Linux install is
excellent. Download and burn a disk with GParted on it. It will be a
bootable disk. Then deal with the partitions separately from the install
routine. Get Windows working again, then squeeze it down somewhat so you
will have space for another operating system. Make sure
you leave enough space for the Windows system to expand. Windows will be
on a primary partition, sda1. Make an extended partition after that,
and Linux partitions within it--most commonly, /  and /home  and /swap.
(Swap only needs to be twice the memory size. Some folks say to put it
first, as it might result in faster access, but I don't think it will
make any difference to most of us.) You might consider giving / and
/home  actual names. You'll have to look that up, I forget how. But
if you wind up with yet another OS on the drive, it will help you to
keep track of things.

There is one particular advantage to dual booting--Linux can read and
write to the Windows partition, so if Windows tends to snow you
sometimes--like in the processing of received zip archives--you can
extract and process the zip archives in Linux, where you have complete
control over where the files are stored, the names of them, etc., and
then copy the files to someplace in Windows where you can find them!

NOTA BENE: Any downloaded file called "setup.exe" should be renamed to
something like "setup_foo.exe" where foo is the name or abbreviation of
whatever program it is designed to set up. Otherwise, how do you know
what program the file called setup is going to install? When you have
a Windows Explorer with five "setup" files on it, you'll thank me!

If you have trouble networking the Windows and the Linux computer, you
can always emai

Re: computer rendered un-usable

[David Christensen]

On 06/22/13 13:42, Lagun Adeshina wrote:

1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7
2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures
3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had used the 
RAID5 Partition then
4. I went on to stop the installing
5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing
6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7
7. Help me please


I'll assume that your computer has one drive (SSD or HDD) and that you 
are just starting to learn Linux.  I'm not sure if you also want to run 
Windows.



The are several choices:

1.  Fix or reinstall Windows, install virtual machine software, and 
install Linux into a virtual machine.


2.  Wipe the drive and install Linux.

3.  Install both Windows and Linux on the drive (dual boot).


#1 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
Windows, will offer the best Windows experience, and will allow you to 
play with Linux with reduced risk of breaking Windows.  If you don't 
know how to install, configure, and administer Windows, there are many 
technicians and stores that can fix it for you.  Once you have Windows 
working again, this is probably the best option for a Linux novice.



#2 is for somebody who knows how to install, configure, and administer 
Linux, and will offer the best Linux experience.  Hiring a tech to do 
this could be problematic; every Linux operator has their own style for 
installing, configuring, and administering Linux.  Also, beware that 
eMachines may have put software installation images (including Windows) 
and/or other important data on the drive at the factory; wiping the 
drive will destroy those items!  This option only makes sense if you 
have installation discs for all your software and are confident that 
there is no important data on your system drive.



#3 requires knowledge of both Windows and Linux, but I found it to be 
impractical -- I wanted both Windows and Linux running at the same time. 
 (My solution was to have two computers -- one Windows and one Linux.) 
 This is the most complex option.



As always, you should back-up all of your data before wiping, 
partitioning, formatting, etc., your drive and/or installing another 
operating system.  It's also good to take an image of the entire drive 
before and after such operations so that you can quickly, easily, and 
reliably return the drive to a known state at any time.



HTH,

David


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Lagun Adeshina]

All I did was try to install Debian 7 and the RAID5 was just some option that 
came up during partitioning.
I read about it and understood it was supposed to keep whole old stuff sale. 
That was my understanding and I'm left with no OS neither Debian nor win7


 From: Gary Dale 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 21:47
Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
 

On 22/06/13 04:38 PM, Lagun Adeshina wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> I need your help.
>
> 1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7
>
> 2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures
>
> 3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had
> used the RAID5 Partition then
>
> 4. I went on to stop the installing
>
> 5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing
>
> 6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7
>
> 7. Help me please


This could be that the Windows 7 partition was corrupted. I always 
advise people to do the partitioning outside of the installation when 
doing a dual-boot. The reason is that Windows file systems are touchy 
and probably need to be checked after being resized.

The fact that you seem to have a RAID 5 array, which I'm guessing is 
using the SATA RAID drivers for Windows, makes things more complicated.

However, we need more information on what exactly your setup is, where 
the RAID 5 comes in, and what happens when you try to boot.


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Re: google chrome browser being kept back on squeeze?

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Joel Rees  wrote:
> Since sometime last week, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade both report that
> google-chrome-stable has been kept back.
>
> Anyone else seeing this? Anyone know why?

It may be because chrome requires (and so depends on) a newer libc6. I
saw this happen for a while with chrome-unstable on my testing system.
Aptitude will tell you why a package is being held back.

Patrick


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google chrome browser being kept back on squeeze?

[Joel Rees]

Since sometime last week, apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade both report that
google-chrome-stable has been kept back.

Anyone else seeing this? Anyone know why?

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Re: open office install fails

[Joel Roth]

Jeff Shearer wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> I am using Debian 7.? I "upgraded" from 6 recently.? My attempt to install 
> the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.? While synaptic 
> indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI.? Also, 
> I noted that none of
> the applications like writer indicate they are installed.? Do I need to 
> install each of them manually?

Can you start openoffice.org from the command line?
 
> Thanks.
> 
> ?
> ?
> ?

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Re: cannot start gnome screen saver

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 22 June 2013 11:07:08 Jeff Shearer wrote:
> I find nothing in the new really bad GUI

If you don't like it, why not use another?  It isn't compulsory.  A decent DE 
is just an apt-get away.  

And there are others available that have not yet made it into the Debian 
repositories, but that can easily be installed.

Lisi


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Re: Unidentified subject!

[Gary Dale]

On 22/06/13 04:38 PM, Lagun Adeshina wrote:

Hi Guys,
I need your help.

1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7

2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures

3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had
used the RAID5 Partition then

4. I went on to stop the installing

5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing

6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7

7. Help me please



This could be that the Windows 7 partition was corrupted. I always 
advise people to do the partitioning outside of the installation when 
doing a dual-boot. The reason is that Windows file systems are touchy 
and probably need to be checked after being resized.


The fact that you seem to have a RAID 5 array, which I'm guessing is 
using the SATA RAID drivers for Windows, makes things more complicated.


However, we need more information on what exactly your setup is, where 
the RAID 5 comes in, and what happens when you try to boot.



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computer rendered un-usable

[Lagun Adeshina]

Hi Guys,
 
I need your help.

1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7

2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures

3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had used the 
RAID5 Partition then

4. I went on to stop the installing 

5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing

6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7

7. Help me please

Unidentified subject!

[Lagun Adeshina]

Hi Guys,
 
I need your help.

1. I set out to install Debian from Windows 7

2. I downloaded the win 32 Debian Installer and went through the procedures

3. On reaching the partitioning option I got a little confused I had used the 
RAID5 Partition then

4. I went on to stop the installing 

5. I could not restart either my window 7 nor continue the installing

6. My computer is a emachine 732 running initially on windows 7

7. Help me please

Re: mksh vs. pdksh

[Dom]

On 22/06/13 20:47, Jeff Shearer wrote:




Good day,



One feature I have used for at least 20 years with various verions of ksh is 
the ability to escape and scroll through my .history file using the lower case 
letters k and j when vi is designated as my editor in my .profile.� I just 
implemented mksh which is the supposed replacement for pdksh in
Debian but I am unable to scroll through my .history file using the lower case 
letters k and j.� I am however able to scroll through my history file using the 
arrow keys.


Is there a way to implement the scroll via lower case letters k and j when vi 
is selected as your editor with mksh?



I've never used mksh or pdksh, but when I used to use ksh on unix 
systems I recall I used to have to "set -o vi" to enable that facility.


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any members in Toronto?

[Karen Lewellen]

I cannot remember but asking again.
if so, do you mind writing me off list?
Thanks,
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mksh vs. pdksh

[Jeff Shearer]

Good day,



One feature I have used for at least 20 years with various verions of ksh is 
the ability to escape and scroll through my .history file using the lower case 
letters k and j when vi is designated as my editor in my .profile.� I just 
implemented mksh which is the supposed replacement for pdksh in
Debian but I am unable to scroll through my .history file using the lower case 
letters k and j.� I am however able to scroll through my history file using the 
arrow keys.


Is there a way to implement the scroll via lower case letters k and j when vi 
is selected as your editor with mksh?



Thanks
�
�

Re: open office install fails

[Greg Madden]

On Saturday 22 June 2013 07:16:48 you wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 10:34 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Maybe it was replaced in Debian, but Open Office is still very much
> > alive and well (and owned by ASF).
> >
> > I'm with Jeff - I prefer OpenOffice over LibreOffice.
>
> I prefer LibreOffice and follow David's advice.
> In any case, it was not clear to me he wanted OpenOffice instead of
> LibreOffice. I was thinking he had a Squeeze system installed with
> OpenOffice and just upgraded.
>
> For OpenOffice:
> As pointed out by Klaus, there is a package specifically for the
> gnome integration.
> You'll have to install it using the packages from the OpenOffice.org
> website [1]. It's a tar.gz archive file with several deb files, I
> haven't looked into the contents as I don't use it, but I imagine
> there is such a gnome integration package. At least there was when
> 3.3 came out, that was also the last time I installed OpenOffice from
> the website, before switching.
>
> I would also advice to make sure no OpenOffice or LibreOffice
> packages are installed from the Debian repositories when using the
> packages from their website. Just to be sure there aren't any
> conflicts.
>
> Regards,
> Steven
>
> [1] http://www.openoffice.org/download/


The AOO tar.gz file unpacks into ~/en-us, in the DEBS dir there is a 
desktop-integration dir which contains a debian-menus deb package.

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Re: No udev event when i plug an HDMI cable

[Robert]

David Goodenough  btconnect.com> writes:

> 
> On Tuesday 04 Jun 2013, Sylvain Archenault wrote:
> > Anybody having the same issue?
> > 
> > On 05/18/2013 12:52 PM, Sylvain Archenault wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > When I plugged a HDMI cable in my laptop, the display used to
> > > automatically detect my TV and expand to it.
> > > 
> > > It stopped working a few days ago, I'm not sure what package upgrade
> > > triggered this.
> > > 
> > > When I run "udevadm monitor", there is no event generated. It used to
> > > work. If I go in "Settings -> Monitor" the tv is detected.
> > > 
> > > I'm running Sid, which is up to date. I don't see any output in the log.
> > > I'm not sure where to look at. I tried with this 2 kernels:
> > > 
> > > linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64 - Linux 3.6 for 64-bit PCs
> > > linux-image-3.8-1-amd64 - Linux 3.8 for 64-bit PCs
> > > 
> > > Let me know if you need more details.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Sylvain
> I have no idea if it is related, but there are currently a lot of problems
> with HDMI being found with the 3.8 kernel on the BeagleBone Black.  For some
> reason users are having difficulty with the EDID processing.  Now you are
> reporting that this happens with 3.6, so it may be different, but it might
> be.
> 
> Part of the problem on the BeagleBone is related to the move to DTS (the
> device tree support) which does not apply to amd64, but part of it is
> related to a change that has happened at much the same time moving from 
> the old FrameBuffer to the new kernel display framework - again I do not
> know if this is relevant to you with your display card.  In short lots
> changed between 3.2 and 3.8 which seems to be causing the BeagleBone
> problems.
> 
> David
> 
> 

Hi Guys,

I have exactly the same problem. My system deesn't produce any event when I
plug or unplug my HDMI/DP cable. I've noticed that about a year ago after
one of my Debian Wheezy (used to testing distro, now it's Debian stable)
upgrade.

I started to dig around this issue several days ago. I even flashed the bios
of my server, tried to dump EDID information and force Xorg to use the
monitor info, but I've found only solution for NVidia (change DP1 to correct
interface)

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DP1"
Option "CustomEDID" "DP1:/etc/X11/edid.bin"
Option "IgnoreEDID" "false"
Option "UseEDID" "true"

But I don't have Nvidia card and use Intel driver for my HD 2000 module in
Intel Core i7 Sandybridge processor.

Anybody can help?
Maybe you know kind of workaround. 
I've read some information about passing some parameters to gdm(?) module
 options drm_kms_helper edid_firmware=edid/1280x1024.bin
But I haven't tried it yet.

Any other ideas?






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Re: upgrade to linux-image-3.9.1 breaks nvidia proprietary driver

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 19:02 +0200, CHK Webmaster wrote:
> Any comment about how can this issue be reported?

http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting


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upgrade to linux-image-3.9.1 breaks nvidia proprietary driver

[CHK Webmaster]

Hi,

I write here cause I'm not sure where report this issue. It happens when
upgrading my system via apt-get. The upgrade includes
linux-image-3.9.1-amd64 but does not include nvidia-kernel-3.9.1-amd64
in which depends the nvidia proprietary driver.

So the result was a X system breaks, that cannot be loaded cause X.org
not found the nvidia module. The issue can be solved installing manually
the related nvidia-kernel package.

Any comment about how can this issue be reported?

Thanks,

Chk

Re: From Squeeze to Wheezy: An upgrade problem

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 21 iun 13, 20:55:15, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 21:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 21 iun 13, 16:52:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 17:02 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > aptitude install $(cat non-Debian.pkgs)
> > > 
> > > So the OP will keep some packages as they are, without updating? 
> > 
> > Package names don't change too often between releases, only versions do.
> 
> Good thought, but it wasn't what I was thinking about. My guess was
> regarding to self build packages, that aren't available by any
> repository. Some might still work, if the OP would keep them, but others
> might miss needed dependencies.

The OP did not mention self built packages.
 
> Upstream might switch from one lib to another, the names are still the
> same, but a package might not need lib A anymore, but does need lib B
> nowadays. And for sure, a package perhaps need version = X and a new
> version is > X.

This is generally not a big issue for non-Debian packages, because they 
are statically linked and/or only depend on libraries that are in Debian 
(i.e. they seldom provide their own libraries).

Kind regards,
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Re: open office install fails

[Steven Post]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 10:34 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
[...]
> 
> Maybe it was replaced in Debian, but Open Office is still very much 
> alive and well (and owned by ASF).
> 
> I'm with Jeff - I prefer OpenOffice over LibreOffice.
> 
> 

I prefer LibreOffice and follow David's advice.
In any case, it was not clear to me he wanted OpenOffice instead of
LibreOffice. I was thinking he had a Squeeze system installed with
OpenOffice and just upgraded.

For OpenOffice:
As pointed out by Klaus, there is a package specifically for the gnome
integration.
You'll have to install it using the packages from the OpenOffice.org
website [1]. It's a tar.gz archive file with several deb files, I
haven't looked into the contents as I don't use it, but I imagine there
is such a gnome integration package. At least there was when 3.3 came
out, that was also the last time I installed OpenOffice from the
website, before switching.

I would also advice to make sure no OpenOffice or LibreOffice packages
are installed from the Debian repositories when using the packages from
their website. Just to be sure there aren't any conflicts.

Regards,
Steven

[1] http://www.openoffice.org/download/


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Re: wacky question

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 22 June 2013 05:39:27 lina wrote:
> What is dangerous is that people take "hooligan" as "holy fighter", and
> "gentleman" as "dictator".

Really??  Where??  When?? Can you quote?  This sounds bizarre to me.

Lisi


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Unknown option: -a to fsck.btrfs

[Dan Dart]

Recently after an upgrade to my Debian system (and after a certain
number of mounts) whose rootfs is on btrfs, my system now goes to
maintenance shell mode because it can't run fack against the root fs.

Whilst attempting to fsck all my disks, it stumbled on fsck.btrfs:

Unknown option: -a
usage: btrfs [--help] [--version]  [...]  []

Is this a bug in the way the filesystem is calling it, the fact that
fsck.btrfs only currently works on unmounted (not RO mounted) or am I
doing something stupid here (like for instance having btrfs on rootfs
isn't considered sensible yet)?

I'm on jessie/sid at the moment and all my packages are up to date.

Cheers
Dan


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Re: open office install fails

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 6/22/2013 6:34 AM, Steven Post wrote:

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 06:17 -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote:

Good morning,

I am using Debian 7.  I "upgraded" from 6 recently.  My attempt to
install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.
While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the
reall bad new GUI.  Also, I noted that none of the applications like
writer indicate they are installed.  Do I need to install each of them
manually?


OpenOffice was replaced by LibreOffice [1], this migration normally
occurs automatically on upgrades from Squeeze.
Make sure the package 'libreoffice' is installed, this will pull in
Writer, Calc, etc.

If you are using Gnome 3, you can find the application in the activities
menu under applications - Office.

Regards,
Steven

[1] http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623



Maybe it was replaced in Debian, but Open Office is still very much 
alive and well (and owned by ASF).


I'm with Jeff - I prefer OpenOffice over LibreOffice.


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Re: open office install fails

[Jerry Stuckle]

On 6/22/2013 7:41 AM, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

The Saturday 22 June 2013 13:29:51, Jeff Shearer wrote :

One of the freatures I find attractive in the open source community is the
ability to select applications that I enjoy.� I have used Open Office for
years and would like to continue using Open Office.� After the install
Open Office does not appear in. Office applications. Please
advise how I can install and use Open Office.
 Original Message 

Subject: Re: open office install fails


Libre is the continuation of open office. It is the same, only a change of
name.
Thierry




Incorrect.  LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice (from 2010).  OpenOffice 
is now owned and maintained by ASF.



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Re: open office install fails

[Klaus]

On 22/06/13 12:29, Jeff Shearer wrote:

One of the freatures I find attractive in the open source community is
the ability to select applications that I enjoy.  I have used Open
Office for years and would like to continue using Open Office.  After
the install Open Office does not appear in. Office applications.

Please advise how I can install and use Open Office.
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: open office install fails
From: "Steven Post" 
Date: Sat, June 22, 2013 6:34 am
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
--

 > On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 06:17 -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote:
 >> Good morning,
 >>
 >> I am using Debian 7. I "upgraded" from 6 recently. My attempt to
 >> install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.
 >> While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the
 >> reall bad new GUI. Also, I noted that none of the applications like
 >> writer indicate they are installed. Do I need to install each of them
 >> manually?
 >
 > OpenOffice was replaced by LibreOffice [1], this migration normally
 > occurs automatically on upgrades from Squeeze.
 > Make sure the package 'libreoffice' is installed, this will pull in
 > Writer, Calc, etc.
 >
 > If you are using Gnome 3, you can find the application in the activities
 > menu under applications - Office.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Steven
 >
 > [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623
 >


Thanks,

Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP
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How did you install OOo ? For Libreoffice there is a dedicated package 
providing the Gnome Applications menu integration, libreoffice-gnome. 
Can't remember how that worked in OOo.


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Re: cannot print

[Klaus]

On 22/06/13 10:49, Jeff Shearer wrote:

Good morning,

I just installed Debian 7 and I cannot print.  All other computers in
the house can pring and my Debian 6 box worked fine, until I upgraded.
I don't know much about trouble shooting the matter but here is one
thing I tried:

root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007# lp
lp: Destination "Officejet-Pro-8600" is not accepting jobs.

Please tell me what to do next to resolve my inability to print.


Thanks,



There is a fine manual about all things printing at 



Without knowing how your "new" system tries to connect to the printer 
(USB? Network? Printserver? Cups? Samba? ...), it's hard to give more 
specific advice.


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nice to meet you

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Re: open office install fails

[Thierry Chatelet]

The Saturday 22 June 2013 13:29:51, Jeff Shearer wrote :
> One of the freatures I find attractive in the open source community is the
> ability to select applications that I enjoy.� I have used Open Office for
> years and would like to continue using Open Office.� After the install
> Open Office does not appear in. Office applications. Please
> advise how I can install and use Open Office.
>  Original Message 
> 
> Subject: Re: open office install fails
> 
Libre is the continuation of open office. It is the same, only a change of 
name.
Thierry


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Re: open office install fails

[Jeff Shearer]

One of the freatures I find attractive in the open source community is the 
ability to select applications that I enjoy.� I have used Open Office for years 
and would like to continue using Open Office.� After the install Open Office 
does not appear in. Office applications.
Please
advise how I can install and use Open Office.
 Original Message 

Subject: Re: open office install fails

From: "Steven Post" 

Date: Sat, June 22, 2013 6:34 am

To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

--



> On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 06:17 -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote:

>> Good morning,

>>

>> I am using Debian 7. I "upgraded" from 6 recently. My attempt to

>> install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.

>> While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the

>> reall bad new GUI. Also, I noted that none of the applications like

>> writer indicate they are installed. Do I need to install each of them

>> manually?

>

> OpenOffice was replaced by LibreOffice [1], this migration normally

> occurs automatically on upgrades from Squeeze.

> Make sure the package 'libreoffice' is installed, this will pull in

> Writer, Calc, etc.

>

> If you are using Gnome 3, you can find the application in the activities

> menu under applications - Office.

>

> Regards,

> Steven

>

> [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623

>





Thanks,



Jeff Shearer, CISA, CISSP

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http://www.linkedin.com/in/shearerjeff

Re: open office install fails

[Steven Post]

On Sat, 2013-06-22 at 06:17 -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I am using Debian 7.  I "upgraded" from 6 recently.  My attempt to
> install the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.
> While synaptic indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the
> reall bad new GUI.  Also, I noted that none of the applications like
> writer indicate they are installed.  Do I need to install each of them
> manually?

OpenOffice was replaced by LibreOffice [1], this migration normally
occurs automatically on upgrades from Squeeze.
Make sure the package 'libreoffice' is installed, this will pull in
Writer, Calc, etc.

If you are using Gnome 3, you can find the application in the activities
menu under applications - Office.

Regards,
Steven

[1] http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623


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Re: open office install fails

[David Sastre Medina]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 06:17:43AM -0400, Jeff Shearer wrote:
> I am using Debian 7.? I "upgraded" from 6 recently.? My attempt to install 
> the open office productivity suite seems to have failed.? While synaptic 
> indicates it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI.? Also, 
> I noted that none of
> the applications like writer indicate they are installed.? Do I need to 
> install each of them manually?

My suggestion would be to purge all of Open Office and switch to Libre
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open office install fails

[Jeff Shearer]

Good morning,
I am using Debian 7.� I "upgraded" from 6 recently.� My attempt to install the 
open office productivity suite seems to have failed.� While synaptic indicates 
it is installed, I cannot find it on the reall bad new GUI.� Also, I noted that 
none of
the applications like writer indicate they are installed.� Do I need to install 
each of them manually?

Thanks.

�
�
�

Re: cannot print

[Gary Dale]

On 22/06/13 05:49 AM, Jeff Shearer wrote:

Good morning,

I just installed Debian 7 and I cannot print. All other computers in the
house can pring and my Debian 6 box worked fine, until I upgraded. I
don't know much about trouble shooting the matter but here is one thing
I tried:

root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007# lp
lp: Destination "Officejet-Pro-8600" is not accepting jobs.

Please tell me what to do next to resolve my inability to print.


Thanks,



1) try reinstalling the printer.
2) try restarting the CUPS server.


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cannot start gnome screen saver

[Jeff Shearer]

Good morning,
I recently installed Debian 7 and am having a bit of trouble.� I cannot get the 
screen saver to work.� While synaptic shows that it is installed, I find 
nothing in the new really bad GUI to set up the screen saver.� When I try to 
laund the screen saver manually,
I get the following:
root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007# gnome-screensaver
No protocol specified



** (gnome-screensaver:9006): WARNING **: Cannot open display:
�


Thanks,

�
�
�

gnu cash auto update investments

[Jeff Shearer]

Good morning,
I upgraded to Debain 7 from 6 because I could not get the GNU Cash feature to 
automatically update the value of stocks to work.� I cannot get it to work in 7 
either.� I submitted this same information to the GNU Cash mail list, but I am 
getting no help.� I hope
someone on the Debian list can help me.
I tried to run the update process manually so I could log the activity:� The 
following lines are the only error I can see:
* 06:05:51� INFO  [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi] GNC_DBD_DIR 
not set: using libdbi built-in
default
* 06:05:51� WARN  [gnc_module_init_backend_dbi()] No DBD 
drivers found

* 06:05:51� INFO  [gnc_hook_lookup] no hook lists

* 06:05:52 MESSG  Found Finance::Quote version 1.17
I hope someone can help.


Thanks,

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cannot print

[Jeff Shearer]

Good morning,
I just installed Debian 7 and I cannot print.� All other computers in the house 
can pring and my Debian 6 box worked fine, until I upgraded.� I don't know much 
about trouble shooting the matter but here is one thing I tried:
root@OfficeWks:/home/ttpro0007#
lp
lp: Destination "Officejet-Pro-8600" is not accepting jobs.

�
Please tell me what to do next to resolve my inability to print.


Thanks,



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Re: Enigmail stopped working

[John Tate]

It's magically started working. Thank you, computer Gods.

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM, John Tate  wrote:
> Enigmail is no longer automatically decrypting emails or allowing me
> to do it manually in Icedove. There is nothing out of the ordinary in
> the console output.
>
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Re: Ethernet Card not detected

[Klaus]

Quick web search for "Intel i217-v linux" would have led you to 
, 
there is a README and there are installation instructions.


K

On 22/06/13 00:15, Yongbo Zuo wrote:

Hi

Thanks for the instructions,
I have checked the Ethernet interface on-board:

$lspci | grep -i ethernet
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection
I217-V (rev 04)

And, I only get a folder called "hp" after
ls -l /lib/firmware

So, in this case, what package should I download then, please?

Thanks,



Kind Regards,
Yongbo

Mr. Yongbo Zuo
Design Engineer 2
Advanced Micro Devices, MHDC, Fort Collins, CO
Master of Science
Computer Engineering in Virginia Tech
Phone: 5408087209
Mailing Address: 2950 E Harmony Rd, Suite 300, Fort Collins, CO 80528

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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Klaus mailto:klaus.doering...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Yongbo

lspci does not just show plugged in cards, but everything on the pci
bus. The on-board ethernet connector talks to the main cpu via the
pci bus, too.
So, please, boot into the new Debian install, and run the lspci
command as stated before.
Without knowing which ethernet connector you have it's difficult to
know what's missing. Have a look at the Intel site if you prefer to
check the lan spec from within Win7.
>

Klaus



On 21/06/13 16:52, Yongbo Zuo wrote:

Hi

Thanks for your advise, I am a little lost here,
My motherboard has Intel^® GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit) for
internet

connection, I don't have an independent ethernet card that uses
pci slot,
This is the specification of my motherboard:
http://www.gigabyte.com/__products/product-page.aspx?__pid=4488#sp



I checked the firmware, I don't know which one is needed for
Intel^® GbE

LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit),
should I get an independent ethernet card?
or should I download any driver from intel?

Sorry to bother so much, I am pretty new to linux.

Thanks,



Kind Regards,
Yongbo

Mr. Yongbo Zuo
Design Engineer 2
Advanced Micro Devices, MHDC, Fort Collins, CO
Master of Science
Computer Engineering in Virginia Tech
Phone: 5408087209 
Mailing Address: 2950 E Harmony Rd, Suite 300, Fort Collins, CO
80528

--心有多坚
  ~ 路有多远！


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Klaus
mailto:klaus.doering...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

 Please have a look at the Debian wiki:
 
>>

 There are firmware packages in the Debian distribution, and
Intel
 for example also provides a tarball of drivers. Do you know
which
 Ethernet interface you have on-board your motherboard? In
my case it
 looks like this:

 $ lspci | grep -i ethernet
 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)




 On 21/06/13 06:15, Yongbo Zuo wrote:

 Hi All

 Sorry to ask the question again, there was a problem for my
 subscript to
 the maillist.

 I have built up my own pc, which has the GigaByte
mother boarder
 Z87X-UD4H, and Intel i4770k CPU, and AMD HD7970 GPU.

 When I intall Debian 7.0, wheezy, it cannot detect the
ethernet card
 when detecting the hardwares after I select the
"Graphical Install".

 So, in this case, even I finish the installation, I cannot
 connect to
 the internet because of the lack of ethernet card.

 And, I have win7 installed on another hard driver, and the
 network is
 working well in win7.

 By the way, I think, Z87X-UD4H has integrated ethernet
card.

 Thanks,

 Kind Regards,
 Yongbo

 Mr. Yongbo Zuo
 Design Engineer 2
 Advanced Micro Devices, MHDC, Fort Collins, CO
 Master of Science
 Computer Engineering in Virginia Tech
 Phone: 5408087209  >

 Mailing Address: 2950 E Harmon