Re: How to verify install iso?
On 13 December 2013 01:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > There's no explanation where the checksum files can be found. The iso > does include a md5sum.txt and nothing else. There simply is no file for > comparison. > The checksum cannot be in a file because the file itself might have been forged. It is necessary to compute it by analysing the contents of the ISO itself. That's what the mentioned tools are for - they will output a checksum that should match the one on the website. HTH, I. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cad2jomm5u7gek4fnmwudx6xt4hlhyiuaukdjmxpsxp6n6vy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
Bob Proulx writes: > Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Bob Proulx writes: > > > How would this be accomplished? (Answer cannot contain a use of sudo! > > > No circular logic please.) > > > ... > > > Right. Because normal users can't change the system time. > > > > Sorry, wrong. With 'folk ALL=(ALL) ALL', user folk can run as root ANY > > That is a user that already has full root privileges! That is not a > normal user. That is a user that already has root. If they have root > then they are already an administrator on the system and don't need to > break into it. Indeed the problem is that credentials cache joined with the 'username ALL=(ALL) ALL' may lead to some hijacking problems The time-stamp bug simply allowed someone who was "pick-pocketing" an account (in the unlikely scenario[*] of someone finding an unguarded shell open with credentials already cached) to extend the hijack of the credential cache as long as he needed. Another kind of attack relies on this poor/bad configuration of sudo. It is a sort of man-in-the-middle between the user and the shell. This attack would wait until credentials are cached and then issue hidden command to the shell. I think that creating such an attack in a stealthy way is not too hard to do and a large base of users with the default 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' configuration and lack of knowledge would be a good target for this attack. [*] unlikely or not, everybody felt the urge to fix the problem. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning "I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian" Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21162.50505.142695.526...@mail.eng.it
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 16:15:44, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 16:10 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff" > > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run ; apt-get > dist-upgrade -y ; poweroff" > > -y without a dry run :S, OTOH, the OP want's to go to sleep, so the > dry-run first doesn't improve something. > > It's simply a bad idea to automate an upgrade. Simple: sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get --download-only -y dist-upgrade ; poweroff" and do the upgrade the next day, under human supervision. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
Am 13.12.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Stan Hoeppner : > On 12/12/2013 1:11 PM, Goren Buckwalk wrote: > ... >> I have a system with two AMD Athlon 2400 MP processors and the >> motherboard has 4 slots for RAM. > > That makes this board ~10 years old. Seems so. AFAIR I bought an 2400 XP(?) around 2004-2005. Worked nice until last year, but it was not worth for me to reanimate after damage of the power supply. [...] > But given the cost of $25-30 and your time, the fact that recapping may > not be a complete fix, and the gear is 10 years old, you may be better > off buying new guts. This seems to currently be the least expensive > Newegg AMD based combo: There is so much outsorted hardware from companies which geeks can get for free. This year we sorted out a dozen of servers not worth to refurbish for a company. Helmut Wollmersdorfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bba2-ddb9-4fd2-ab61-1b017cee8...@fixpunkt.de
Re: script line not working as its supposed to, but why?
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 01:44:51PM +, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:42:51 +0100
> "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote:
>
> > Sharon Kimble writes:
> > > But there is no consistency with the creation date, the menu
> > > itself is regenerated whenever I install a new programme, and the
> > > old menu is saved with the suffix of the date and time.
> >
> > > I want to delete the 'menu-*' files if there are more than 7, and
> > > the command is parsed when I have 'set -x' at the head of the
> > > script but this line does nothing! It runs but doesn't achieve
> > > anything.
> >
> > The find command is not your friend here, I think.
> >
> > If you have a single directory where these menu are regenerated
> > automatically, you could exploit the fact that lines like
> >
> > menu-20131209-11:05
> >
> > have an asciibetic order (order based on the ASCII code) that matches
> > the age order, but reversed, I mean newer backups come last. The
> > option -t of ls fixes this.
> >
> > I would try with something like this:
> >
> > if [ `ls -1 menu-* | wc -l` -gt 7 ]
> > then
> > ls -t menu-* | tail $((7-`ls | wc -l`)) | xargs rm
> > fi
> >
> > The first test ensures that you have more than 7 files.
> >
> > Then you list the files in reverse asciibetical order (that is older
> > last), then the expression
> >
> > $((7-`ls | wc -l`))
> >
> > does the magic to compute the option to pass to tail so that it shows
> > the last (number of files - 7). And finally xargs feeds rm. You can
> > use rm -v to see them being deleted :)
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> Thanks for this, I've just got round to testing it. I pasted it into my
> bigger script which works as expected, and then it came to your lines
> of code, and this is its output from it -
>
> ++ wc -l
> ++ ls -1 'menu-*'
> ls: cannot access menu-*: No such file or directory
> + '[' 0 -gt 7 ']'
I think your problem here is to do with "globbing". If you look at
Gian's example, it has:
$ ls -1 menu-*
whereas yours has:
$ ls -1 'menu-*'
i.e. the filename is in single quotes. In the first case, the parameter
"menu-*" is seen by the shell as a wildcard parameter. Before execution
of "ls", bash will read the directory and find all files that match that
pattern and pass those filenames to the command. In other words, ls
actually sees the parameters "-1", "menu-2011...", "menu-2012..." and so
on. Several filenames, all of which exist.
In the second case, the last parameter is a literal string. By putting
the parameter in quotes, you're protecting it from shell expansion. "ls"
sees only two parameters in this case: "-1" and then "menu-*". "ls"
DOESN'T do parameter expansion itself, so it tries to list the file
called "menu-*". This file doesn't exist, so you get the above error.
As an aside, if you want to use a parameter and are worried about the
parser not knowing where the parameter name starts and ends, use ${}.
For example, if I have a parameter $x and I want to echo the contents of
that immediately followed by the letter y, I'd say "echo ${x}y". ${x} is
essentially the same as $x, but shows the parser where to start and end.
Hope that all helps.
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Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote: > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of > a couple of years for a decision to be made. I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it is my understanding that a decision is definitely wanted for Jessie and there is already less than a year until freeze. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to verify install iso?
On Vi, 13 dec 13, 02:41:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 12:27 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > - you can also use the installer to self-check. > > If it's compromised a self-check could be done compared with what ever > source. It is still a valid integrity check (i.e. you want to know the iso was not corrupted on download). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: PCMCIA Smart Card Reader O2Micro SmartCardBus Reader V1.0
Justin, 8.12.2013: > > I have a problem with what I believe to be a pcmcia Smart Card > Reader. I'm running Debian version jessie/sid. When I execute the > lspcmcia -a command I get the following output: > > Socket 1 Device 0:[-- no driver --](bus ID: 1.0) > Configuration:state: on > [io 0x flags 0x100] > [io 0x flags 0x100] > [mem 0x flags 0x200] > [mem 0x flags 0x200] > [mem 0x flags 0x200] > [mem 0x flags 0x200] > > Product Name: O2Micro > SmartCardBus Reader > V1.0 > > Identification:manf_id: 0xcard_id: 0x0001 > prod_id(1): "O2Micro > " (0x94f31211) > prod_id(2): "SmartCardBus Reader > " (0x4f67a249) > prod_id(3): "V1.0 > " (0xf28411a8) > prod_id(4): --- (---) I have no experience with this card, but googling a little got me this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485516 It looks like there's no official debian package but there's a driver that people have used successfully and somebody even made an unofficial package a few years ago. (If that's out of date for recent kernels, maybe you can contact the author and ask for an update.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213100801.gb7...@cs.utexas.edu
Samsung CLX4195FN
Has anyone used one of these successfully with Linux? I have never had an all-in-one, so have no experience. If the answer is no, what laser all-in-ones would anyone recommend? Thanks, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312131024.43486.lisi.re...@gmail.com
install debian on usb stick
Hi, Tuto : http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html I try to install deby on a stick but I have this warning message whatever action I do : ### sudo fdisk /dev/sdd WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to sectors (command 'u'). Command (m for help): u Changing display/entry units to sectors Command (m for help): c DOS Compatibility flag is not set Command (m for help): w The partition table has been altered! Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table. Syncing disks. ## I tried to continue with the install but the usb stick won't boot, even if everything went well, except for the warning, which means as I found somegooglewhere, that the device won't boot. Any idea ? -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52aae8a2.4060...@yahoo.fr
Re: Samsung CLX4195FN
Lisi Reisz writes: > Has anyone used one of these successfully with Linux? I have never > had an all-in-one, so have no experience. We have a couple of cheap Samsung printers at home that work without any problem and Linux shares the printing system with Mac OS X (CUPS) therefore printing should not be an issue. Samsung says: "Window XP (32 / 64bit) / 2003 Server (32 / 64bit) / Vista (32 / 64bit) / 2008 Server (32 / 64bit) / 7 (32 / 64bit) / 2008 Server R2Mac OS X 10.4 - 10.7 / Various Linux, Unix OS Compatible" in http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/print-solutions/print-solutions/colour-multifunction-printer/CLX-4195FN/SEE-spec Softpedia has a print/scan driver, the scanner is TWAIN standard compliant. http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/PRINTER/Samsung/Samsung-CLX-4195FN-SEE-MFP-Print-Scan-Driver-10006-for-Linux.shtml I hope this helps. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning "I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian" Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21162.59897.393452.939...@mail.eng.it
Re: Installing TrueType Fonts (TTF)
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 18:21:02 Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > To Patrik: I have the fonts. I was just looking for a way to > install them easily like I used to do in GNOME. Thanks by the way. > To Siard: Thanks. I think I would go with /usr/local/share/fonts. If you had installed them with aptitude you wouldn't have had to do anything else. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312131155.39628.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: install debian on usb stick
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 05:59:46PM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: > Hi, > > Tuto : > http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html > > I try to install deby on a stick but I have this warning message > whatever action I do : > > ### > sudo fdisk /dev/sdd > > WARNING: DOS-compatible mode is deprecated. It's strongly recommended to > switch off the mode (command 'c') and change display units to > sectors (command 'u'). > I've installed Debian to a USB stick plenty of times, and I just did it like a normal install. Put the USB stick in the computer. Boot off of the installation CD. When you get to the partitioning phase, make sure you choose your USB stick and not your hard drive (you can probably tell by the size that the partitioner reports). When you get to the end and it wants to install grub, it probably is going to try to install grub to the hard drive. Choose "no", and then you'll get a chance to specify the device that you want grub installed on. Hopefully you remember it from the partitioning phase... You'll end up with grub installed on your usb stick, but there will be some entries for the operating system(s) that were found on your hard drive. Feel free to ignore them. I think you should give this method a try. I've never had any problems with it. -Rob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 00:17 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > $20USD In Germany replacing all the capacitors, also those that are not broken, does coast a few cents for the capacitors. And in the OPs case perhaps a six pack beer for the friend too. Assumed the OP is from Europe, I could mention a company to order capacitors. FWIW I had this issues for switching power supply of a mixing console that is around 4 years old now, when the mixer was around 3 years old. I don't have this issue for any older equipment, even for other switching power supplies just resistors failed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386940825.688.128.camel@archlinux
Re: How to verify install iso?
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 07:59 +, Ignazio Palmisano wrote: > On 13 December 2013 01:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > There's no explanation where the checksum files can be found. The iso > > does include a md5sum.txt and nothing else. There simply is no file for > > comparison. > > > > The checksum cannot be in a file because the file itself might have > been forged. It is necessary to compute it by analysing the contents > of the ISO itself. That's what the mentioned tools are for - they will > output a checksum that should match the one on the website. If it's signed it theoretically could, but I anyway would be surprised ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386941051.688.129.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:07 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Simple: > > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get --download-only -y dist-upgrade ; > poweroff" > > and do the upgrade the next day, under human supervision. +1 Perhaps then directly sudo sh -c "apt-get update ; apt-get --download-only -y dist-upgrade ; poweroff" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386941312.688.132.camel@archlinux
Re: Shutdown computer after a specific command has been executed
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 14:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:07 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Simple: > > > > sudo sh -c "apt-get update && apt-get --download-only -y dist-upgrade ; > > poweroff" > > > > and do the upgrade the next day, under human supervision. > > +1 > > Perhaps then directly > > sudo sh -c "apt-get update ; apt-get --download-only -y dist-upgrade ; > poweroff" Nonsense, my apologies. Just +1, nothing to change. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386941475.688.133.camel@archlinux
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
I've also noticed a graphical package installer that was included in the initial install of Debian-Wheezy called, "GDebi Package Installer". Has anyone utilized this for installing .deb packages? On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 01:29 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote: >> > http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm >> >> Wow! What a... site :/ > > For newbies it's hard to search for information about Linux, because > they don't know the terms, as long as they don't know the structure of > Linux and in addition it's hard to distinguish the good, the bad and the > ugly websites. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386859081.1257.283.camel@archlinux > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALDXikrLeXN2_mBnFh0-ofL=2ff2eh+7c7uzboohnpjjax5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
Hi Ron On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Ron Leach wrote: > On 12/12/2013 13:59, Wally Lepore wrote: >> >> I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's >> possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about >> this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too >> advanced. >> >> I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to >> understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other >> general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate >> any links and/or suggestions. >> > > Already installed on your machine will (should) be this FAQ: > > file:///usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/index.en.html > > Browse to it with your web browser. From this contents list, section 8 > provides a fair bit of information. Appreciate you are looking for simple > descriptions, so you may want to skim some of this. > > Once you begin to feel your way around, you want to 'search' for Open > Office. Software for installing is held in 'repositories', so you will need > to search them for open office. I use a GUI for that, Synaptic, but if you > are using terminal, the Aptitude program may help you. > > I was a bit confused at first, too. Don't do what I did, which was to > install packages (*.deb) direct from source sites - the Debian installation > ends up getting a bit cluttered with co-existing older and newer versions of > things. I recommend sticking with Debian releases of programs, if at all > possible. > > regards, Ron > Appreciate your recommended link above. Lots of great info. Reading the FAQ now. Is there any advantage to installing a package using a graphical interface verses the command line/terminal? Thank you kindly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALDXikor9+9xnvOL7xTgdNO2F=n7xyomgry214ph9bof11l...@mail.gmail.com
Re: install debian on usb stick
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 08:02:46 -0500 Rob Owens wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 05:59:46PM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: > > Hi, > > [...] > > I try to install deby on a stick but I have this warning message > > whatever action I do : > > > > ### > [...] > I've installed Debian to a USB stick plenty of times, and I just did it > like a normal install. Put the USB stick in the computer. Boot off of > the installation CD. When you get to the partitioning phase, make sure > you choose your USB stick and not your hard drive (you can probably tell > by the size that the partitioner reports). > > [...] > -Rob And what about debootstrap ? I used it to install Debian on the NAND of my cubieboard. Ran like a charm. You can do the same with your stick, I presume. Nice tuto on debian.org: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en Jean-Marc pgpvq_cjlFtGj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: executable won't execute
Had the same problem here! Using Xubuntu 13.10 updated from 13.04 3.11.0-14-generic Found the solution on this 3yo thread, amazing! This cmd did the trick: sudo ln -s ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ld-lsb-x86-64.so.3 Thanks guys -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20131213t144241-...@post.gmane.org
Re: sound problems after upgrade
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:30:44 PM Kailash Kalyani wrote: > On Thursday 12 December 2013 09:12 PM, Christopher Judd wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a testing box, kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64, using KDE. After an upgrade > > earlier this week, I am having problems with sound. The system is an MSI > > 760GM-P23 motherboard with onboard RealTek ALC887, and sound has always > > worked fine previously. > > > > The problem is that there is no sound output from Amarok, or when I try > > to test the various sound devices from the KDE system config window. > > Sound works fine in VLC, however. > > > > I have phonon configured to use the VLC-phonon backend; pulseaudio is > > not installed. > > > > How can I determine where the problem is, or which package is broken? > > Thanks. > > > > -Chris > > Hi Chris, > > I seem to recall something similar reported in this mailing list's > archives. Something about volume being set to zero after the upgrade... > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/08/msg00215.html > > Hope this helps, > Kailash No, i checked all the volumes with alsamixer. Nothing is muted, and auto mute is disabled. As I mentioned, sound works fine in VLC, but not in Amarok or within the KDE system-settings dialog. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. | | Research Scientist III | | NYS Dept. of Health j...@wadsworth.org | | Wadsworth Center - ESP | | P. O. Box 509518 486-7829 | | Albany, NY 12201-0509 |
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
Hi Scott, On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> Recently completed a successful install of Wheezy in Virtual Box. Runs >> great but slow (for obvious reasons). I'm not looking for >> speed/performance at this point but just looking to learn the >> interface, access and perform functions in terminal (as well as root >> terminal) and run basic programs. >> >> I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's >> possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about >> this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too >> advanced. >> >> The link below was helpful but then it became difficult to understand. >> I prefer not to start executing commands in root terminal if the >> instructions are a bit overwhelming (at my current level of >> understanding). >> >> http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm > > Wow! What a... site :/ > Not sure I understand. > > > NOTE: these sources *are* affiliated with the Debian Project > > https://wiki.debian.org/Software > https://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement > (not so great) https://wiki.debian.org/OpenOffice > > > Try http://debian-handbook.info/ for a recent, simple, accurate and very > complete guide. > Thank you Scott. Excellent links with lots of great reading! Installing packages certainly leads to a lot more questions (i.e. local deb packages resolving and installing its dependencies. apt does the same, but only for remote (http, ftp) located packages). source from above i.e.:http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gdebi > >> >> I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to >> understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other >> general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate >> any links and/or suggestions. >> >> My initial interest is to install "OpenOffice". I understand wheezy >> has LibreOffice aready installed but I need OpenOffice as well for a >> project I'm currently working on. > > You don't say what parts of Wheezy (2+ packages) you've installed, > I'm presuming GNOME. Someone here can advice you on how to use the GUI > package manager for GNOME (I 'think' it's Synaptic). > http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.apt-frontends.html#idm140081895704256 > I did not install any additional packages except for the base packages that the installer installed. I installed wheezy using the small installation image titled, debian-7.2.0-i386-netinst.iso I also chose to install the GUI desktop. The GUI pkg manager that I see under Applications->System Tools->GDebi Package Installer. I do not see anything under "Applications" that refers to "Synaptic". The Synaptic link you provided above is extremely interesting. Thanks...reading it now. > Not difficult to install. If you know what a console is and how to > become root it's just a matter of, as root, typing:- > apt-get install -y openoffice.org > Yes, I understand how to log-in as root using "root terminal". Thank you for your help and the install command you provided above. >> >> Thank you kindly for your patience and help. >> >> System Specs: >> Acer netbook D255 >> Windows 7 (host OS) >> Virtual Box (running debian/wheezy ver. 7.2.0 for i386 as the guest OS) >> >> > > > When you're more comfortable installing software in Debian you may wish > to run the latest Apache OpenOffice.org. See:- > http://sourceforge.net/projects/apacheoo-deb/files/debian/dists/wheezy/ > Yes I am aware of Apache OpenOffice.org and that is the OpenOffice version I was referring to as the preferred package to install. Thank you kindly for your help W -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALDXikqZdB7G=JrYWuogkwa2SkJvXTWW9Cp-f=hbhffqwpg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Friday 13 December 2013 14:21:19 Wally Lepore wrote: > local deb packages resolving and installing its dependencies. apt > does the same, but only for remote (http, ftp) located packages). I should stick to packages in the repositories first. Most of the packages that you are likely to need will be there. Then you can use a package manager. There is no right answer to which is the best package manager. All have their fans. But stick to package managers until you know what you are doing. Yes, aptitude and its relatives install from remote repositories, but why are there independent .debs on your system in the first place? You say that you have still not got much more than a basic system. You probably will want to add repositories. If you post your /etc/apt/sources.list here I'm sure that someone will explain how to edit it. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312131453.16587.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: gdm3 issue
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: >> >> The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM >> is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. > > This seems to be true here, but you're mistaken, a boot option could > still cause something when a DE session already is running, e.g. > "threadsirq", "noatime", sure, "noatime" won't brake something, but > "threadirqs" at least could slow down GUI performance, assumed it's a > lowlatency kernel. ! I've never heard of the "threadsirq" kernel cmdline setting. "noatime" is a filesystem setting not a kernel cmdline one. Whether a kernel's low-latency or not isn't a grub concern. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szzmxc979d2-8ypgh4uurldz0on18cf7aqmb5tezx6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: gdm3 issue
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: >>> >>> The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM >>> is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. >> >> This seems to be true here, but you're mistaken, a boot option could >> still cause something when a DE session already is running, e.g. >> "threadsirq", "noatime", sure, "noatime" won't brake something, but >> "threadirqs" at least could slow down GUI performance, assumed it's a >> lowlatency kernel. > > PS: Let alone options such as e.g. "single" ;). The "single" kernel cmdline option would never launch GDM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SyO4f4C=sepyajsqeuuyh7yez6pp31k08g0gsl9zp4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Tom H writes: >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: >>> If some users needed to have the root power for a small set of >>> operation, then sudo would give them that extact power, no more no >>> less. >>> >>> What are the benefits of The "Macintosh/Ubuntu" use of sudo? Improved >>> security? Are you kidding? Whatever the user I compromise I have root >>> access, just type "sudo bash". >> >> You seem to assume that everyone has "ALL" as the executable that can >> be run via sudo. > > That wrong assumption has already been pointed out. > > But whit this configuration you have 2 critical accounts instead of > one. > > Everybody is aware that root is a critical account, how many do > realize that the first (often the only) user account in such systems > is as critical as the root one? In the corporate environments where I work, we are about 70 sysadmins in my location and about half as much in another. We all sudo to root on our more or less 11,000 systems. So by your reckoning we have 100 critical accounts but that's not how our internal and external security auditors see it. Most of the people who have no idea that they have a critical are like my parents, who have Unity installed on their laptops. When they're prompted to update their systems, they do so and type in their passwords when asked to, just like a Windows or OS X user. Not everyone messes around with his/her configuration, uses terminals, or whatever. >>> Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a >>> certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code >>> injection. >> >> You can use the "timestamp_timeout" option to set this to zero. > > This should be the default, but is not. I agree. But I suspect that, as someone else has pointed out, it would annoy many people to have to type their password for every sudo-prepended command. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Swr=r=e9cmxy_gbkyzpoxkfjkyg8ykmxwt+phyhnyp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: udev rule for a kindle
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:40:26 +1100
Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 13/12/13 03:53, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 02:02:06 +1100 Scott Ferguson
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/12/13 01:30, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:32 +1100 Scott Ferguson
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> On 12/12/13 01:01, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> >
> > I have a script for backing up my kindle when its first
> > mounted, but its not running on mounting, but *does* run when
> > invoked manually! When the kindle is mounted it should
> > trigger this udev rule -
> >
>
> >>
> > Following on from your actions listed - sudo leafpad
> > /etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules #again, one long line
> > ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1949", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0004",
> > RUN+="/home/boudiccas/bin/obkindle" sudo udevadm control
> > --reload-rules #plug in kindle, and mount by hand in thunar sudo
> > grep Kindle /var/log/syslog Dec 12 16:21:29 london kernel:
> > [200220.440937] usb 1-2.4.1: Product: Amazon Kindle Dec 12 16:21:30
> > london kernel: [200221.455151] scsi 25:0:0:0: Direct-Access
> > Kindle Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI:2 Dec 12 16:21:43 london
> > udisksd[5448]: Mounted /dev/sde1 at /media/boudiccas/Kindle on
> > behalf of uid 1000 #just on the off chance sudo grep
> > kindle /var/log/syslog #returns zero, no output at all, it *has* to
> > be 'Kindle'
>
> kindle on mine (KDE/Wheezy) but "# grep -i kindle /var/log/syslog"
> will catch all case variants.
Yes, I confirm that that line works here.
>
> >
> > It accepts 'SYSFS' or 'ATTR', no difference, and accepts *either*
> > rule. But still does not run the script.
> >
> > This is on a up-to-date 'jessie' system, with a basic Kindle
> > (costing £69 from Amazon, the basic model). Just so that we can
> > perhaps see the differences between our two systems.
>
> I have that model (also). As long as your rule includes the udav
> identifiers it should match the correct device.
>
> >
> > I attach a screenshot showing the kindle open in thunar. You'll see
> > I have 3 external usb drives, and thinking about it, they *all* have
> > to be mounted by hand, so the problem is not just with the kindle,
> > its system-wide. 'thunar-volman' is loaded, but I still have to
> > mount by hand, whichever file manager I use.
>
> I don't think that's the problem. All my drives mount automagically,
> but the same udev rule doesn't work for me either. I usually have
> several USB devices mounted (at least one during all these tests).
>
> No errors shown in:-
> dmesg | grep -i 'warn\|fail\|error\|alert'
From that line I get -
[172318.032435] usb 1-2.4.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
and that’s the only one relevant to this situation.
>
> >
> > ps aux|grep udevd root 367 0.0 0.0 11796 1720 ?Ss
> > Dec10 0:01 udevd --daemon boudicc+ 12207 0.0 0.0 4208 804
> > pts/10 S+ 16:45 0:00 grep --color=auto udevd
> >
> > Just to check one commonality, udevd is running. udev 204-5 from
> > http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages
>
> everything here is either stock Wheezy or backports.
>
> >
> > I've tried to find any and all commonalities between our two
> > systems, because they seem to be handling the same information in
> > two different ways!
> >
> > Active kernel = 3.11-2-686-pae
>
> 3.2.0-4-686-pae
>
> >
> > Are we any further forward though? I'm not sure, so, any ideas
> > please?
>
> I've got nothing. :(
> As udev runs as root I can't think of why it won't run a user script -
> just that for some reason it's not triggering *despite* matching the
> device - perhaps changing it's priority or filtering the Kindle out of
> the rule that precedes it (in priority). In earlier releases the
> kindle was controlled by a udev multimedia device rule.
> I was hoping to use your rule to autmagically start usb networking.
> For now the udev rule goes back onto the "when I get time list"
>
Running 'sudo grep -i kindle /var/log/syslog' I get -
Dec 13 15:01:30 london kernel: [281753.654332] usb 1-2.4.1: Product: Amazon
Kindle
Dec 13 15:01:31 london kernel: [281754.663138] scsi 26:0:0:0: Direct-Access
Kindle Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Dec 13 15:01:39 london udisksd[5448]: Mounted /dev/sde1 at
/media/boudiccas/Kindle on behalf of uid 1000
Dec 13 15:13:56 london udisksd[5448]: Cleaning up mount point
/media/boudiccas/Kindle (device 8:65 is not mounted)
Dec 13 15:14:14 london kernel: [282516.842184] usb 1-2.4.1: Product: Amazon
Kindle
Dec 13 15:14:15 london kernel: [282517.850604] scsi 27:0:0:0: Direct-Access
Kindle Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
Dec 13 15:14:25 london udisksd[5448]: Mounted /dev/sde1 at
/media/boudiccas/Kindle on behalf of uid 1000
I've changed '/etc/udev/rules.d/85-kindle.rules' to
'/etc/udev/rules.d/75-kindle.rules' but it hasn't made any difference.
I'll try asking on 'stack-overflow' and will let you know if its finally
successful.
Thanks for
Re: install debian on usb stick
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Diogene Laerce wrote: > Hi, > > Tuto : > http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html > > I try to install deby on a stick but I have this warning message > whatever action I do : > > [snip] > > I tried to continue with the install but the usb stick won't boot, > even if everything went well, except for the warning, which means as > I found somegooglewhere, that the device won't boot. > > Any idea ? Yes. Unetbootin. It's in the repository. Just install it on your host system. Run it as root. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213075748.66adb...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > http://www.paritynews.com/2013/03/05/762/sudo-authentication-bypass-vulnerability-emerges/ > > But note! The Chaos Computer Club does publish howtos using sudo on > Linux: http://muc.ccc.de/uberbus:ubd > > I don't think the Chaos Computer Club folks would write a howto using > sudo, if sudo would be a security risk. "There are few prerequisites for the attack to work: the user much be listed in the /etc/sudoers file; must have successfully authenticated to execute a sudo command once; and it must be possible for users to modify the system time without entering a password." Having someone upgrade his/her sudo privileges to "NOPASSWD:" isn't good but it isn't the end of the world when compared to an external attacker getting access to a system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szj6ftmu-b-fnehhmhywgeuk+4+49g+psrksi7x0jj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jesse install images?
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Jon N wrote: > > I have a new computer that needs (AFAIK) the kernel version 3.10 or > better to support my ethernet (Qualcomm Atheros AR8171). I was hoping > I could do this with a small download, like the net insttall ISO, but > so far I haven't been able to find one. Are by only choices to > install Jesse to download multiple CD or 1 DVD file? Daily amd64 (for example) image: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/current/amd64/iso-cd/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sx3VL2=u6h55A6fWRhEr=ZWH=k=wx3ewg3numzthz5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: install debian on usb stick
Thanks to all : it was the flag the issue. The commands from the tuto didn't work. Don't know why but all's fine now ! On 12/13/2013 10:57 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, Tuto : http://verahill.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/361-installing-debian-on-usb-stick-from.html I try to install deby on a stick but I have this warning message whatever action I do : [snip] I tried to continue with the install but the usb stick won't boot, even if everything went well, except for the warning, which means as I found somegooglewhere, that the device won't boot. Any idea ? Yes. Unetbootin. It's in the repository. Just install it on your host system. Run it as root. B -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab31f0.5090...@yahoo.fr
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote: > >> I've browsed through the hot debates here >> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem >> >> and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/ >> >> But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on >> future >> init system(s) is. >> I have to prepare my heart for it, does anybody know? > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of > a couple of years for a decision to be made. The Debian release date isn't set but its freeze date is 5 November 2014 and that's the important date in respect of this decision. But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swq7pozcqx9ynfscen68bvs9r5v5xu8hxrzfsmlu0k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Bob Proulx writes: >> >> Right. Because normal users can't change the system time. > > Sorry, wrong. With 'folk ALL=(ALL) ALL', user folk can run as root ANY > program including 'date -s'. Or at least 'sudo bash', and then live > happy with a shell executed with the root id. But "normal users" don't have "ALL=(ALL) ALL"... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=syzz4oighjzx7ujxkv5cij9ztwbddm74tdj94xzfcq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
Tom H writes: > ...must have successfully authenticated > to execute a sudo command once Within the last 15 minutes. > ...and it must be possible for users to modify the system time without > entering a password." Which is, of course, not the case on Debian. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eh5ghgb5@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:14 +, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 12 Dec 2013 at 23:37:31 +0400, Pavel Volkov wrote: > > > >> I've browsed through the hot debates here > >> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem > >> > >> and the LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/572805/ > >> > >> But there's no mention about when the deadline for the final decision on > >> future > >> init system(s) is. > >> I have to prepare my heart for it, does anybody know? > > > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of > > a couple of years for a decision to be made. > > The Debian release date isn't set but its freeze date is 5 November > 2014 and that's the important date in respect of this decision. > > But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better. So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init and install systemd during installation? I dislike systemd, but I already use it for a long time with my Arch Linux. IOW, Debian will drop init and will switch to systemd in the future? Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386951961.688.214.camel@archlinux
Re: gdm3 issue
On 12/13/2013 10:03 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. >>> >>> This seems to be true here, but you're mistaken, a boot option could >>> still cause something when a DE session already is running, e.g. >>> "threadsirq", "noatime", sure, "noatime" won't brake something, but >>> "threadirqs" at least could slow down GUI performance, assumed it's a >>> lowlatency kernel. >> >> PS: Let alone options such as e.g. "single" ;). > > The "single" kernel cmdline option would never launch GDM. > I believe that was his point, and the reason for the smiley ;). Most would say preventing something from happening is a form of affecting it. -PaulNM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab3505.5080...@paulscrap.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 08:59 -0500, Wally Lepore wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Recently completed a successful install of Wheezy in Virtual Box. Runs > great but slow (for obvious reasons). I'm not looking for > speed/performance at this point but just looking to learn the > interface, access and perform functions in terminal (as well as root > terminal) and run basic programs. > > I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's > possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about > this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too > advanced. > > The link below was helpful but then it became difficult to understand. > I prefer not to start executing commands in root terminal if the > instructions are a bit overwhelming (at my current level of > understanding). > > http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm > > I'm searching for a complete beginners guide that details "simple to > understand instructions" on "How to install packages" as well as other > general "how-to's" in Wheezy (current stable). I would much appreciate > any links and/or suggestions. > > My initial interest is to install "OpenOffice". I understand wheezy > has LibreOffice aready installed but I need OpenOffice as well for a > project I'm currently working on. > > Thank you kindly for your patience and help. > > System Specs: > Acer netbook D255 > Windows 7 (host OS) > Virtual Box (running debian/wheezy ver. 7.2.0 for i386 as the guest OS) > > If you are coming from windoof environment, other than the good docs others here recommended and I abide, I think you should first understand that debian has a very distinct approach to software install procedure when compared to windows. Instead of downloading multiple softwares from multiple sources on the web and hitting the "setup install procedure" you should generally install software from the same sources (which are described on /etc/apt/sources.list and called repositories or repos) using the same set of commands. --update your info on repos: # apt-get update --upgrade any software that has new versions on repos: # apt-get upgrade --search for software based on regex: # apt-cache search "$regex" --install software #apt-get install --remove software #apt-get remove/purge The problem is if you want to use software that was not prepackaged by debian maintainers. If you are lucky, someone else which seems trustful might have and you will be able to use "dpkg" which stands for "de-package" to install it on your system. Otherwise you will have to compile from sources which is not a nightmare but may be painful for the beginner when things don't go as expected. Instead of searching on how to install mybelovedsoftware.exe on debian, search for debian prepackaged softwares which do the same task as the software you were used to. My 2c. And welcome to debian 8) -- André N. Batista GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386868307.11313.27.camel@tagesuhu-pc
Re: gdm3 issue
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:25 -0500, PaulNM wrote: > > The "single" kernel cmdline option would never launch GDM. > > > > I believe that was his point, and the reason for the smiley ;). > Most would say preventing something from happening is a form of > affecting it. Correct, that's why I was thinking about GRUB2, when the OP mentioned that an Ubuntu kernel was removed, before the issue appeared. I don't know how the auto-thingy is set up, what options will be add and how they affect or don't affect a Debian install. "single" for sure would get a name such as "Single" or "Recovery" for the menu entry, but there are or sure other options that could prevent GDM from running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386952511.688.219.camel@archlinux
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
> - Original Message - > From: Ralf Mardorf > Sent: 12/12/13 05:32 PM > To: debian-user > Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors > > The photos are not that good but I guess the capacitors are broken, they > seem to leak. Are some caps curved? It's unlikely that there would be > flux. > They don't seem bulged, the worst one might be a bit curved on the top. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213163559.144...@gmx.com
Re: gdm3 issue
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM, PaulNM wrote: > On 12/13/2013 10:03 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: > > The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM > is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. This seems to be true here, but you're mistaken, a boot option could still cause something when a DE session already is running, e.g. "threadsirq", "noatime", sure, "noatime" won't brake something, but "threadirqs" at least could slow down GUI performance, assumed it's a lowlatency kernel. >>> >>> PS: Let alone options such as e.g. "single" ;). >> >> The "single" kernel cmdline option would never launch GDM. > > I believe that was his point, and the reason for the smiley ;). > Most would say preventing something from happening is a form of > affecting it. Except that "single" doesn't make GDM fail, it doesn't even launch it. It's not the same thing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sy-yaenukbfhrmajfzfmv1y9ebdc_-xsf2nw5twpnk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Reporting missing package during install
Tom H writes: > In the corporate environments where I work, we are about 70 sysadmins > in my location and about half as much in another. We all sudo to root > on our more or less 11,000 systems. So by your reckoning we have 100 > critical accounts but that's not how our internal and external > security auditors see it. If I understand it clearly, these sysadmins are trained users who (hopefully) understand what you should or should not do. I think that "we all sudo" means "we the sysadmin". If the situation is "one machine, one sudoer, no root" is like having "one machine, one user, su, root can not log from the net". Slightly less secure, but it should be really hard to insert some hijacker that exploits credentials cache since the persons are properly trained. > Most of the people who have no idea that they have a critical are like > my parents, who have Unity installed on their laptops. When they're > prompted to update their systems, they do so and type in their > passwords when asked to, just like a Windows or OS X user. Not > everyone messes around with his/her configuration, uses terminals, or > whatever. Are you sure that nobody will be able to hijack that use of sudo, even from the graphic versions? My opinion is that exploiting vulnerabilities like that will be profitable for the "dark side users" when the number of users like your parent will have reached a "critical number" (like in critical mass). BTW, Mac OS X users use a graphic form of sudo, i think w/o cache. That will be the time that we will start to use antivirus programs on GNU/linux like is common to do on Windows. > >>> Furthermore the sudo habit of keeping valid an authentication for a > >>> certain amount of time seems like an open door for malicious code > >>> injection. > >> > >> You can use the "timestamp_timeout" option to set this to zero. > > > > This should be the default, but is not. > > I agree. But I suspect that, as someone else has pointed out, it would > annoy many people to have to type their password for every > sudo-prepended command. If you can use any program with sudo, just sudo bash for prolonged administrative tasks. And close the shell when finished. Nevertheless, there is a place where sudo cache is handy. If you write a script for some common users, it's better to use sudo for the sensible command only rather than for the whole script. In these case the optimum would be to tell sudo "starting for now cache the credentials for a very short time - some seconds - and stop caching when time expires" the first time you "engage" sudo and then kill the caching before leaving the script, some sort of begin transaction/commit. Currently you can have only the very short cache time always. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning "I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian" Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21163.15039.767802.409...@mail.eng.it
Up-to-date kernels
Hello everyone, I have a question : since I usually make debs for myself from the latest vanilla kernels, I wondered if those would help somebody else, for example in cases of needed hardware support or some bugfixes. I know about Debian's policy about untrusted software sources as well as the thorough testing done, but I see some usefulness for these kernels (for example I'm compiling 3.13-rc3, while the latest in experimental is 3.11-rc4, if I'm not mistaken). The config is the exact Debian one with added hardware support. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, please let me know and I'll try to get some hosting space. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213182352.79946...@debianlap.localdom.ain
Up-to-date kernels
Hello everyone, I have a question : since I usually make debs for myself from the latest vanilla kernels, I wondered if those would help somebody else, for example in cases of needed hardware support or some bugfixes. I know about Debian's policy about untrusted software sources as well as the thorough testing done, but I see some usefulness for these kernels (for example I'm compiling 3.13-rc3, while the latest in experimental is 3.11-rc4, if I'm not mistaken). The config is the exact Debian one with added hardware support. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, please let me know and I'll try to get some hosting space. Thanks. -- Rares Aioanei Q: What do monsters eat? A: Things. Q: What do monsters drink? A: Coke. (Because Things go better with Coke.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213185915.3f3c1...@debianlap.localdom.ain
Re: sudo security Was: Reporting missing package during install
Tom H writes: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Bob Proulx writes: > >> > >> Right. Because normal users can't change the system time. > > > > Sorry, wrong. With 'folk ALL=(ALL) ALL', user folk can run as root ANY > > program including 'date -s'. Or at least 'sudo bash', and then live > > happy with a shell executed with the root id. > > But "normal users" don't have "ALL=(ALL) ALL"... Home users with one account on the machine have ALL=(ALL) ALL. These will be the target, once the number reaches the "critical mass". -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning "I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian" Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21163.16572.135471.280...@mail.eng.it
grub2 and linux from scratch
grub2 is doing something I don't understand. /etc/default/grub has the line: GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -c -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` the boot menu shows: linux from scratch gnu/linux advanced options for linux from scratch etc. debian gnu/linux (jessie/sid) on sda2 advanced options for debian gnu/linux, etc. I have two instances of debian - on sda1 jessie and on sda2 sid. sid has no boot loader, and grub is written to /dev/sda by jessie. What is this linux from scratch? And why does grub then correctly describe the discovered distribution? I believe that I can fix the problem by using a custom menu, but I am puzzled by the "linux from scratch" thing. John. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213122619.290b6e4f.314wol...@gmail.com
Re: grub2 and linux from scratch
On Friday 13 December 2013 17:26:19 john s wrote: > grub2 is doing something I don't understand. > > /etc/default/grub has the line: > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -c -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` > > the boot menu shows: > > linux from scratch gnu/linux > advanced options for linux from scratch etc. > debian gnu/linux (jessie/sid) on sda2 > advanced options for debian gnu/linux, etc. > > I have two instances of debian - on sda1 jessie and on sda2 sid. > > sid has no boot loader, and grub is written to /dev/sda by jessie. > > What is this linux from scratch? And why does grub then correctly > describe the discovered distribution? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Or do you mean "Why is Linux from Scratch in my GRUB menu?" At that rate, pass! Lisi > I believe that I can fix the problem by using a custom menu, but I > am puzzled by the "linux from scratch" thing. > > > John. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312131739.29123.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Tom H wrote: > > But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better. > > So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init > and install systemd during installation? No. In Debian Stable today the default is sysvinit and everything has been tested to work with it. In Stable today trying to use systemd will cause problems because all of the migrations needed for it to work easily haven't been made. A few souls have put in the effort to make the switch but it isn't a stock solution yet. If you want to experiment with systemd then the best place to do that would be in Sid/Unstable but it isn't clean there yet either. > IOW, Debian will drop init and will switch to systemd in the future? That may or may not happen depending upon many things. As Yoda said, "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." I am sure there are bookies somewhere taking bets upon it. In the future if Debian changes to a new init then it will be set up such that there is an upgrade path from one to the other. Because there are *lots* of Debian machines out in the world and Debian is all about being able to upgrade. I have one system that use to be a Woody system at one time but has been continuously upgraded since. Then simply upgrade from the previous Stable to the next Stable. Read the release notes for any special instructions at upgrade time. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Friday 13 December 2013 14:53:16 Lisi Reisz wrote: > why are there independent .debs on your system in > the first place? André has explained this. Sorry. It is so long since I used Windows in anger that I just accept that Windows is odd, and pass on, so I forget its strange ways.. As André says, use the package manager system. Don't download quantities of .debs. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312131746.09313.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:49 -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: Ralf Mardorf > > Sent: 12/12/13 07:23 PM > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors > > > > I would replace all capacitors in that area, not only the leaking. The > > others will leak soon too. > > > > If they fail is it likely they would damage other parts of the > systemn? Like RAM sticks or CPUs? Or even chips on the mainboard? Like > a spike/surge? Better don't sent such a request not as a private mail. I redirect my reply to the list. I don't know. I need to ask a friend, but it's likely that somebody on the list can answer your question. Possible yes, likely, I don think so, perhaps yes, maybe not. I would replace all capacitors for another reason. If the capacitors are old and/or crappy and some already failed, it's likely that the others soon or later will fail too, since they seem to do the same job and are from the same vendor and the same type, perhaps with the same values. Once you disassemble the mobo and replace some capacitors, you directly could replace all of them, to avoid to do the same job next month again. To avoid that there are sometimes issues, because they already don't work perfectly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386957650.688.231.camel@archlinux
Re: gdm3 issue
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 16:49 +, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM, PaulNM wrote: > > On 12/13/2013 10:03 AM, Tom H wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf > >> wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2013-12-10 at 02:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 19:08 +, Tom H wrote: > > > > The Ubuntu-created grub.cfg cannot be blamed for a GDM problem. If GDM > > is being launched, grub's job has been done many seconds ago. > > This seems to be true here, but you're mistaken, a boot option could > still cause something when a DE session already is running, e.g. > "threadsirq", "noatime", sure, "noatime" won't brake something, but > "threadirqs" at least could slow down GUI performance, assumed it's a > lowlatency kernel. > >>> > >>> PS: Let alone options such as e.g. "single" ;). > >> > >> The "single" kernel cmdline option would never launch GDM. > > > > I believe that was his point, and the reason for the smiley ;). > > Most would say preventing something from happening is a form of > > affecting it. > > Except that "single" doesn't make GDM fail, it doesn't even launch it. > It's not the same thing. The result is the same, you won't end up with the option to launch Iceweasel by a launcher on the GNOME desktop ;). It was just an ironical explanation what a single boot option could cause and it's too funny, since the option is called "single". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386958087.688.236.camel@archlinux
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Fri 13 Dec 2013 at 11:38:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 12 dec 13, 20:00:44, Brian wrote: > > > > Debian doesn't have deadlines. You'll have to wait. Think in terms of > > a couple of years for a decision to be made. > > I don't think so. A timeline has not been decided yet, but it is my > understanding that a decision is definitely wanted for Jessie and there > is already less than a year until freeze. What difference does it make whether the decision is made before or after the freeze? An excerpt from http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg4.html Proposed Release Goals == The call for release goals has finished and we have received the following proposals: * Native systemd support in every package with sysv scripts * Hardening of ELF binaries (carry over from Wheezy) * debian/rules to honor CC/CXX flags * clang as secondary compiler * piuparts clean archive * Cross Toolchains in the archive * Make the base system cross-buildable * SELinux * UTF-8 We have yet to process these goals listed above; for now they remain only proposed release goals for Jessie. We will be reviewing them and talking to the advocates about them. Accepted goals will be announced later. Would I be correct in assuming that progress towards the implementation of a decision on a future init system would depend on the first goal being attained? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213181329.gm5...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 10:44 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Tom H wrote: > > > But the earlier in the cycle that a decision is taken, the better. > > > > So if I later today set up Debian stable, I better directly drop init > > and install systemd during installation? > > No. In Debian Stable today the default is sysvinit and everything has > been tested to work with it. In Stable today trying to use systemd > will cause problems because all of the migrations needed for it to > work easily haven't been made. Thank you! (I reply with just a thank you, since I guess it's good to note that for stable it's better to keep it as is and not to care about the future. I worried about a transition, if I ever should upgrade to the next release.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386958470.688.240.camel@archlinux
Re: gdm3 issue
Hi. On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:08:07 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Except that "single" doesn't make GDM fail, it doesn't even launch it. > > It's not the same thing. > > The result is the same, you won't end up with the option to launch > Iceweasel by a launcher on the GNOME desktop ;). It was just an ironical > explanation what a single boot option could cause and it's too funny, > since the option is called "single". You're wrong here: - Nobody forbids the user to start GDM from single-user. - User can press Ctrl+D to escape single-user and proceed to runlevel 2, where GDM will try to start. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213221655.eca7e61a7c2cffba550ea...@gmail.com
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
> Better don't sent such a request not as a private mail. ^^ :D Ouch ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386958797.688.242.camel@archlinux
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On 12/13/2013 1:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:49 -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote: - Original Message - From: Ralf Mardorf Sent: 12/12/13 07:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors I would replace all capacitors in that area, not only the leaking. The others will leak soon too. If they fail is it likely they would damage other parts of the systemn? Like RAM sticks or CPUs? Or even chips on the mainboard? Like a spike/surge? Better don't sent such a request not as a private mail. I redirect my reply to the list. I don't know. I need to ask a friend, but it's likely that somebody on the list can answer your question. Possible yes, likely, I don think so, perhaps yes, maybe not. I've been involved in electronics since the mid-60's, majored in EE and Computer Science, and spent several years in the hardware end before I found I enjoyed programming more. But even then, I've kept my hands dirty, so I feel qualified to comment here. Could capacitor failure damage other components? The answer is yes. Processors, RAM, etc. nowadays run around 1.5V to 3.3V (the actual voltage is dependent on the processor; newer ones run lower voltages). This is filtered DC. Unfiltered (pulsating) DC can peak at 1.4 times those values, or about 2.1 to 4.6 V. That is unusual, however, because it would mean several capacitors would have to fail almost simultaneously. Not unheard of, though. But I doubt that's your problem since everything seems to work with only one memory stick plugged in. I would replace all capacitors for another reason. If the capacitors are old and/or crappy and some already failed, it's likely that the others soon or later will fail too, since they seem to do the same job and are from the same vendor and the same type, perhaps with the same values. Once you disassemble the mobo and replace some capacitors, you directly could replace all of them, to avoid to do the same job next month again. To avoid that there are sometimes issues, because they already don't work perfectly. Whether others will fail soon or not is impossible to predict. For instance, the three which have failed may have been from one manufacturer or even one batch which had problems, while the others on the board may be from another manufacturer or batch with no problems (don't rely on the markings on the case - in many cases that is NOT the company which physically manufactured the part). OTOH, you MAY have one or several more fail tomorrow (whether these had failed or not). There is just no way of knowing. I would NOT recommend replacing all of the capacitors on the board for another reason. These boards are multi-layer and not made to be repairable. It means they were not made to have the parts unsoldered/soldered. Holes are just big enough for the leads, and are hard to clean out without the proper tools (i.e. a good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal tool). Additionally, the traces on the board are not made to be unsoldered/soldered, and will detach from the board rather easily when too much heat is applied. And sometimes you'll find an inner trace on the board is also connected to the pin, and unsoldering/soldering can break the connection (not as likely on filter capacitors, but possible). Additionally, you've just added a bunch more work to your day, which may not be necessary. The bottom line here is - every part you remove and replace is another chance to do permanent damage to the board. They're pretty tough under normal conditions, but a repair such as this is not "normal conditions". And since it's an older board, I agree with others recommendations. Unless you have a need to keep this MB, I'd suggest you just replace it. You'll spend less money on a new MB than the hassles of trying to fix the old one. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab5296.70...@attglobal.net
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On 12/13/2013 01:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 11:49 -0500, Goren Buckwalk wrote: - Original Message - From: Ralf Mardorf Sent: 12/12/13 07:23 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors I would replace all capacitors in that area, not only the leaking. The others will leak soon too. If they fail is it likely they would damage other parts of the systemn? Like RAM sticks or CPUs? Or even chips on the mainboard? Like a spike/surge? Better don't sent such a request not as a private mail. I redirect my reply to the list. I don't know. I need to ask a friend, but it's likely that somebody on the list can answer your question. Possible yes, likely, I don think so, perhaps yes, maybe not. I would replace all capacitors for another reason. If the capacitors are old and/or crappy and some already failed, it's likely that the others soon or later will fail too, since they seem to do the same job and are from the same vendor and the same type, perhaps with the same values. Once you disassemble the mobo and replace some capacitors, you directly could replace all of them, to avoid to do the same job next month again. To avoid that there are sometimes issues, because they already don't work perfectly. To answer the specific question: Yes. When the capacitor fails, it will leak electrolyte onto the pc board, and that electrolyte is chemically active, and will eat the traces on the board. So not only do you want to replace the caps, you want to inspect the board in the local area, and clean it off with something like alcohol or lighter fluid, if you find residue. (On a swab--don't dip the board!) Having read this whole thread, and realizing that the board is 10 years old, I would tend to agree that it will be simpler to replace the whole works--board, CPU and ram. I think that's what I would do. (The old ram probably is not compatible with a new mobo, and the CPU certainly isn't.) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab55b1.1030...@optonline.net
buici-clock problems
I have been fooling around with buici-clock on Debian Sid. I was running it on the desktop at 100x100 with the appropriate x and y offsets. It was being called from the Fluxbox startup file. I then modifed the file to enlarge the clock to 150x150 and lowered the x and y offsets. What happens now is the new larger clock pops up where it is supposed to, then a second later moves to the old offsets. Can anyone explain what's going on here? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab5653.60...@videotron.ca
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:31 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal tool I had boards where a Weller vacuum pump driven solder removal tool didn't help, but it was easy to do with hot air soldering. It doesn't pay for me to own such gear, but for a friend it does, so replacing parts on multi-layers is possible without much effort, if you have the right tools. In the circle of friends perhaps somebody knows somebody who has the gear at least at the place of work available. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386965838.688.248.camel@archlinux
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:31 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal tool > > I had boards where a Weller vacuum pump driven solder removal tool > didn't help, but it was easy to do with hot air soldering. It doesn't > pay for me to own such gear, but for a friend it does, so replacing > parts on multi-layers is possible without much effort, if you have the > right tools. In the circle of friends perhaps somebody knows somebody > who has the gear at least at the place of work available. Replacing the board might be the best idea, however, it's entertaining to search the web or DIY hot air soldering There are howtos for building a hot air soldering station from an elCheapo soldering iron and some other parts ;). Those howtos seem to be more entertaining, than to be serious howtos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386966503.688.251.camel@archlinux
Re: Having weird seqfaults
> - Original Message - > From: Goren Buckwalk > Sent: 12/12/13 01:21 PM > To: Debian User > Subject: Re: Having weird seqfaults > > Once it finishes I'll reseat eveything and see what happens. Thanks. > I found a couple of problem while reseating everything. The fan was making a slight noise, and I'm sure it was not moving as much air as it should. I replaced the fan. Could the segfaulting be caused by overheating? I thought when older CPUs overheated they just ran until the circuits melted (this is an AMD K6-2 450). More recent ones shutdown before damage can occur. But whatever occurs I thought happend to everything, there isn't any way an individual process could get terminated because they were causing an high usage leading to overheating, right? On reboot I'm seeing a weird wavyness to the video. It was a littly wazy before, but I chalked that up to the insane 1920x1200 resolution the default settings were getting with an 8MB SIS AGP video card. I limited it to 1280x1024 by creating an xorg.conf file and the wavyness went away. But now it is much worse no matter what resolution I set it to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213204932.42...@gmx.com
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
> - Original Message - > From: Ralf Mardorf > Sent: 12/13/13 03:28 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors > > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:31 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal tool > > > > I had boards where a Weller vacuum pump driven solder removal tool > > didn't help, but it was easy to do with hot air soldering. It doesn't > > pay for me to own such gear, but for a friend it does, so replacing > > parts on multi-layers is possible without much effort, if you have the > > right tools. In the circle of friends perhaps somebody knows somebody > > who has the gear at least at the place of work available. > > Replacing the board might be the best idea, however, it's entertaining > to search the web or > > DIY hot air soldering > > There are howtos for building a hot air soldering station from an > elCheapo soldering iron and some other parts ;). > > Those howtos seem to be more entertaining, than to be serious howtos. Maybe that is it, I'll replace it when I get the chance (as Jerry and others suggest), but keep the board to see if I get the time to try replacing the capacitors and not really care if it works or not, as entertainment. I'll probably just burn myself though and have melted mainboard drippings on the floor. Thanks everyone. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213210504.12...@gmx.com
Installation needs some work on
I just installed your latest Distro, the few things I found wrong and should be easily fixed. one when it searched for my networking cards, it found them, a net work, and wifi then it goes into the what do I want to connect to next. wifi ,, then it wants a address, I'm at McDonalds where I get all my free WIFI, don't have one, hit next then it asks what kind of wifi next work the two I have to pick one so I pick the unsecured one then it goes to set up the dsn and I got a wait for I tell it quit so it does and goes into a loop of taking back to the list of tihngis to do as I am using a usb UNetBootin text mode. it keep running me around to the I need internet then to the list where it asks set it up later I pick that go into the list of next things to do a few times , then finnally I get it to start installing. it gets installed I get signed it and then I have NO netwrok drivers installed. it seen that I had a nic card for both types but no drivers. so I go the the terminal type in sudo it tells me I am not a part of the sudo group. not good so i go into a bit of a what now log out try to log back in a su nothing get fed up as it is just what I did, now I am trying to see what can do.. two it said if I remember correctly that it still needed one or two more files to do a complete basic install as i only DL the cd disk one to use for an install and was going to just go to the internet for what ever else I may need. summery you should have the user part of the sudo group or do it in set up options add a - do you want this user to be in the sudo group ? add you or no kind of ting as far as if it detects my NIC cards then searches for a DSN resolve or what ever it was doing with that part, you people wrote it I just stick it in and try to install it with as less reading as possible. :D nonetheless, I have no idea what files it was talking about that it said it still needed for have a complete install to get you going type of install I do suppose as I only used the 1st CD iso to install it. just thought I'd inform you ga day
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On 12/13/2013 3:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:31 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal tool I had boards where a Weller vacuum pump driven solder removal tool didn't help, but it was easy to do with hot air soldering. It doesn't pay for me to own such gear, but for a friend it does, so replacing parts on multi-layers is possible without much effort, if you have the right tools. In the circle of friends perhaps somebody knows somebody who has the gear at least at the place of work available. Ralf, I've had mixed results with hot air. It works well on surface mount, but you have to be careful with through-the-board mounting. The hot air can spray molten solder on other components. It's why I don't recommend using one to someone who's not already pretty good at using one. Of course, it also helps to have an old board you can use for practice first :) But I do agree - it often works better than a vacuum pump desoldering system. Jerry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ab8462.30...@attglobal.net
Re: Hardware Question about RAM and Capacitors
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:28:23 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 21:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 13:31 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > good soldering station with an vacuum pump driven solder removal > > > tool > > > > I had boards where a Weller vacuum pump driven solder removal tool > > didn't help, but it was easy to do with hot air soldering. It > > doesn't pay for me to own such gear, but for a friend it does, so > > replacing parts on multi-layers is possible without much effort, if > > you have the right tools. In the circle of friends perhaps somebody > > knows somebody who has the gear at least at the place of work > > available. > > Replacing the board might be the best idea, however, it's entertaining > to search the web or > > DIY hot air soldering > > There are howtos for building a hot air soldering station from an > elCheapo soldering iron and some other parts ;). > Long ago, Weller sold a rubber bulb attachment for their standard mag-stat iron to suck molten solder off a joint. I've *seen* someone use one of these as a hot-air tool to remove a 44-ish pin quad SMD. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213220411.60b83...@jretrading.com
Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:36:02 -0500 (EST), Michael Gulick wrote: > > I think my only option if I want automatic upgrades is to keep the > abiname constant. I'm assuming (and I'm not sure whether this > assumption is correct) that all the third party modules (primarily > nvidia drivers and vmware) will be build by dkms on reboot. I've been > upgrading the kernel manually for a while and haven't had any problems, > so I think this is a safe assumption. I'm not sure if this is the > "right" thing to do however, keeping the abiname the same for new stable > releases. Any thoughts? To be honest, I really don't know. What you are trying to do is not something that any method of building a custom kernel tries to address. A custom kernel is, by definition, custom. It is not designed for or intended for automatic updates. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1304596116.870129.1386982611903.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Soliciting hardware recommendations
I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But before I go out there and buy something, I thought I would solicit some advice. I want a 64-bit system (amd64) on which I plan to install Debian. I will use it primarily for two things: (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source program (packaged for Debian in package "hercules") that can emulate a 64-bit IBM mainframe. And of course, I plan on installing and running a 64-bit version of Debian (s390x) under Hercules. The Hercules emulator adds a lot of overhead. The speed of Hercules is nowhere near the speed of a real mainframe, so I want to get the fastest and most powerful host system I can afford. But I don't want a system with lots of cores on it. The kind of software I will run probably can't exploit more than two cores effectively, so I'd rather have a two-core system with a fast clocking rate than an eight-core system with a slow clocking rate. (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a high-end graphics user. I use the graphical desktop mostly for web browsing (including the use of a web-based e-mail client) and watching Youtube videos. I'm not a gamer. I'd like it to have a usable CSM, so I can continue to run my favorite boot loader, LILO. And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk partitioning system, so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. RAID is not necessary. I don't run a business. Although data loss is undesirable, it will not be catastrophic. I'd like a new monitor too. All my monitors are old CRTs, and I've run out of spares as old monitors die. I think I'm ready for a digital flat screen. I have plenty of USB mice and keyboards. I don't plan on running Windows at all, so if it comes pre-installed with Windows, the first thing I'm going to do is to delete the Windows partition. If I can get a system without a Windows license, that will save me some money. Due to preload agreements between Microsoft and hardware vendors, this may not be possible unless I buy separate components and integrate them myself. And that is fine. I don't mind doing that. I live in the US and will probably order my system, or its components, online. I might buy the monitor locally, though. Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel free to ask follow-up questions. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/245855233.870480.1386984675250.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 20:31:15 -0500 (EST) Stephen Powell wrote: > Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general > advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel > free to ask follow-up questions. > Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM 27 inch monitor, it is nice to have 2560x1440 pixels Asus EN210 SILENT graphics card has the dual-link output: http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/EN210_SILENTDI1GD2LP/ That's all -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131214033437.6e5dd02c@fx4100
Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) unter Linux
Hallo! Ich versuche, mein Smartphone per MTP an meinen Linuxrechner anzuschließen, doch es funktioniert nicht. Ich habe mtpfs, mtp-tools (mtp-detect), jmtpfs, go-mtpfs und go-mntfs ausprobiert, und ich bekomme immer den gleichen Fehler: ~ $ mtp-detect Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.libmtp version: 1.1.6 Listing raw device(s) Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung Galaxy models (MTP). Found 1 device(s): Samsung: Galaxy models (MTP) (04e8:6860) @ bus 2, dev 6 Attempting to connect device(s) ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6LIBMTP PANIC: failed to open session on second attempt Unable to open raw device 0 OK. ~ $ mtpfs /mnt/android/ Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.Listing raw device(s) Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung Galaxy models (MTP). Found 1 device(s): Samsung: Galaxy models (MTP) (04e8:6860) @ bus 2, dev 6 Attempting to connect device ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6LIBMTP PANIC: failed to open session on second attempt Unable to open raw device 0 ~ $ jmtpfs /mnt/android/ Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung Galaxy models (MTP). ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device ignoring libusb_claim_interface() = -6LIBMTP PANIC: failed to open session on second attempt terminate called after throwing an instance of 'MtpErrorCantOpenDevice' what(): Can't open device Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.Abgebrochen ~ $ go-mtpfs /mnt/android/ 2013/12/14 04:28:10 OpenSession failed: LIBUSB_ERROR_IO; attempting reset 2013/12/14 04:28:11 Configure failed: OpenSession after reset: LIBUSB_ERROR_IO Das Gerät wird bei jedem Kommando von oben gefunden, doch der Versuch eine Verbindung/Session herzustellen, schlägt fehl. dmesg liefert die folgenden Meldungen. In /var/log/messages und /var/log/kern.log steht das gleiche: ... [ 7409.768040] usb 2-1.1: usbfs: process 3815 (ThreadWeaver::T) did not claim interface 0 before use [ 7409.768224] usb 2-1.1: usbfs: process 4924 (jmtpfs) did not claim interface 0 before use [ 7438.781863] usb 2-1.1: usbfs: process 4934 (go-mtpfs) did not claim interface 0 before use [ 7438.872199] usb 2-1.1: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd [ 7438.889206] xhci_hcd :03:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep 8801fadebc00 ... [ 7438.889239] xhci_hcd :03:00.0: xHCI xhci_drop_endpoint called with disabled ep 8802254bb140 [ 7438.891734] cdc_acm 2-1.1:1.1: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem. [ 7438.891850] cdc_acm 2-1.1:1.1: ttyACM0: USB ACM device [ 7438.893224] usb 2-1.1: usbfs: process 3815 (ThreadWeaver::T) did not claim interface 0 before use [ 7439.894969] usb 2-1.1: usbfs: process 4934 (go-mtpfs) did not claim interface 0 before use Ich habe jetzt ein paar Stunden gegoogelt, doch ich habe nichts passendes über die auftretenden Fehlermeldungen zutage gefördert. Hat jemand eine Ahnung, was hier schief läuft? Ich bin mit meinem neuen Smartphone eigentlich sehr zufrieden, wenn nur der Massenspeichermodus unterstützt würde. Wenn ich MTP nicht zum laufen bringe, muß ich das Ding vielleicht rooten. Das möchte ich vermeiden, wenn es geht. Viele Grüße, Volker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5956320.AO4KUtyL0e@debian
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: > I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But > [snip] > > (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source > [snip] > > (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a > [snip] > > Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general > advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel > free to ask follow-up questions. What's your budget? Based on your requirements, it would be wiser and more cost effective to buy the components and build the system yourself, then you would get exactly what you need. A ready-built system would be, at best, a compromise. Look for a motherboard designed for servers: multiple cpus, multiple core compatible, handles lots of RAM, lots of hard drives, etc. Will cost more than an MB designed for a desktop system, but you get what you pay for. Look for upgradeability for the long haul. Good Luck. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131213202122.0fd8d...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) unter Linux
Wrong mailing list. Sorry. Please ignore. Volker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2954613.bgLJJXhQLD@debian
Re: Jesse install images?
On Dec 12, 2013 5:58 PM, "Steve McIntyre" wrote: > -- > > Ummm. Why mess about? There *are* regular builds of Debian installer > CDs for jessie - see > > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ > I apologize for not getting back sooner, I found the Jessie installer and, well, installed it :-). I guess I just missed the link before. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. Jon
(SOLVED) Re: Backported Kernel - install question
On Friday 13 December 2013 02:32 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 21:33:45 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 21:32 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I experienced that synaptic for *buntu Saucy is broken, perhaps it's for Debian broken too. Sometimes nothing is inconsistent, but Synaptic claims that a dependency should be broken. After closing and opening Synaptic everything is ok. If apt-get does work, than a not buggy Synaptic must work too ;). apt, aptitude and synaptic handle package install conflicts differently. These tools do the same in trivial situations like installing or removing package from the main archive. But, put a number of packages with the same name and different versions (add versioned dependencies to the picture) - and these 3 tools start behaving differently. Add the fact that any package in backports archive has special version that is _lower_ that any version in main archive - and sometimes these tools may produce funny results. Basically, apt provides you with the most dumb solution possible (works most of the time) - install what you want, upgrade dependencies. Aptitude gives you multiple ways of installing package (and one has to choose carefully) - install what you want, upgrade/downgrade dependencies (and may remove something just for fun :). Synaptic assumes that you are not lazy, and will use Ctrl+E (IIRC, may be wrong) to force particular versions for needed packages. So, it's possible to use Synaptic for the task, it just will violate the great IBM principle - 'People should think, machine should work'. Reco Hi, Apt-get gave me the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. And so I installed initramfs-tools from wheezy-backports first and then the linux-image-3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae However, was apt-get correct in not attempting to upgrade initramfs-tools as well? Thanks, Kailash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52abfc5f.1010...@gmail.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On 12/13/13, Wally Lepore wrote: > I would like to locate a link that explains in simple terms (if that's > possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about > this topic via many links but find them helpful to some extent but too > advanced. Assuming you have a graphical user interface (GUI) installed, then just run the program "synaptic" package manager. If you have a menu system, it is probably under the "Settings" menu. Lisi showed some command-line commands to run, if you prefer that interface (which I do). Good luck Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSSbUnx=bv9lk+br0kdm2fbhnr7b2krfcmhhkmjaj11...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On Friday 13 December 2013 07:08 PM, Wally Lepore wrote: I've also noticed a graphical package installer that was included in the initial install of Debian-Wheezy called, "GDebi Package Installer". Has anyone utilized this for installing .deb packages? On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-12-13 at 01:29 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/12/13 00:59, Wally Lepore wrote: http://www.aboutdebian.com/packages.htm Wow! What a... site :/ For newbies it's hard to search for information about Linux, because they don't know the terms, as long as they don't know the structure of Linux and in addition it's hard to distinguish the good, the bad and the ugly websites. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386859081.1257.283.camel@archlinux Yeah, I have, but I still prefer synaptic. K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac028c.7060...@gmail.com
Re: Up-to-date kernels
On Friday 13 December 2013 10:29 PM, Rares Aioanei wrote: Hello everyone, I have a question : since I usually make debs for myself from the latest vanilla kernels, I wondered if those would help somebody else, for example in cases of needed hardware support or some bugfixes. I know about Debian's policy about untrusted software sources as well as the thorough testing done, but I see some usefulness for these kernels (for example I'm compiling 3.13-rc3, while the latest in experimental is 3.11-rc4, if I'm not mistaken). The config is the exact Debian one with added hardware support. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, please let me know and I'll try to get some hosting space. Thanks. Hi Rares, I'd appreciate it. :) I'm a relative noob and still have a ways to go before I get to compiling my own kernel. K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52ac0387.2080...@gmail.com
Re: How to install Packages on Debian-Wheezy
On 12/14/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 12/13/13, Wally Lepore wrote: >> possible), "How to Install Packages". I've been hours reading about > Assuming you have a graphical user interface (GUI) installed, then > just run the program "synaptic" package manager. > Lisi showed some command-line commands to run, if you prefer that > interface (which I do). Sorry, André did :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnst678tv3c5fdexghonak2sedstxmktg0q4snwwxlrk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On 12/13/2013 05:31 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. ... I want a 64-bit system (amd64) on which I plan to install Debian. I will use it primarily for two things: (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source program (packaged for Debian in package "hercules") that can emulate a 64-bit IBM mainframe. And of course, I plan on installing and running a 64-bit version of Debian (s390x) under Hercules. The Hercules emulator adds a lot of overhead. The speed of Hercules is nowhere near the speed of a real mainframe, so I want to get the fastest and most powerful host system I can afford. But I don't want a system with lots of cores on it. The kind of software I will run probably can't exploit more than two cores effectively, so I'd rather have a two-core system with a fast clocking rate than an eight-core system with a slow clocking rate. (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a high-end graphics user. I use the graphical desktop mostly for web browsing (including the use of a web-based e-mail client) and watching Youtube videos. I'm not a gamer. I did something similar ~1.5 years ago. I wanted virtualization, whole-drive encryption, on-board video, on-board sound, on-board Gigabit, and reduced energy consumption/ noise. I've had the best luck with Intel components over the past ~20 years. So, I researched what Intel offers and picked components with the technology features I needed -- Intel HD Graphics, VT-d, VT-x, and AES-NI: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-030922.htm http://ark.intel.com/ Only the higher price stuff had all the features I needed. So, my choice boiled down to building around a high-end desktop board (~US$1,000) or building around a uniprocessor workstation/ server board (~US$1,500). I picked the Intel DQ67SW desktop motherboard, Intel Core2 i7-2600S processor, 8 GB dual-channel DDR 1333 RAM, Intel 520 Series 60 GB SSD, Seagate 7200.14 Generation 3 TB HDD, Antec Sonata 500 case and power supply, Pioneer BluRay burner, and StarTech HDD caddy. It currently has Wheezy amd64 and runs Samba, VirtualBox, two Squeeze i386 virtual servers (CVS and Approx), and a Wheezy i386 virtual desktop. Everything runs briskly, with the exception that video in the desktop sometimes skips. I'd like it to have a usable CSM,so I can continue to run my favorite boot loader, LILO. CSM = IBM Cluster Systems Management? I use the default boot loader (GRUB) provided by the Debian installer. I don't know if LILO is available OOTB; you might have to work for it. And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk partitioning system,so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. I assume you mean an MS-DOS partition table, as opposed to a GUID partition table (GPT). (I believe the Debian installer supports GPT on the system disk, but I haven't tried it.) You want an SSD system drive for performance and disaster recovery (imaging) reasons, and other drive(s) for data. (My SSD has an MS-DOS partition table and my HDD has a GUID partition table.) I initially had my virtual machine drive images on the SSD, but moved them to the HDD. I noticed boot and application start delays, but once everything is up and running, everything is responsive enough. I'd like a new monitor too. ... I think I'm ready for a digital flat screen. I had a 2560x1440 LED display briefly -- it was awesome. Choose your motherboard/ graphics card and monitor at the same time -- there are multiple choices for interfaces (VGA, DVI-D, DVI-I, DP, Thunderbolt, etc.) and everything needs to match. I don't plan on running Windows at all, so if it comes pre-installed with Windows, the first thing I'm going to do is to delete the Windows partition. If I can get a system without a Windows license, that will save me some money. I have an EE/CS background, and prefer to build my computers from scratch. That way, I get exactly what I want and nothing I don't need. If you don't have the skills, there are vendors who will assemble and test hardware and/or software that you purchase from them for a nominal fee. Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel free to ask follow-up questions. Contact the Hercules community and see what they recommend. Find out how much RAM you need. Find out if dual-channel memory has enough bandwidth, or if you want triple- or quad-channel. If you need lots of RAM (16+ GB?), you should probably choose a motherboard that supports ECC and buy ECC memory. Find out if Hercules makes use of the various hardware virtualization technologies, and choose your components accordingly. If your virtual mainframe will be doing a lot of disk I/O, you might want to buy another SSD for just that. HTH, David --
Re: Deadline for jessie init system choice
On Friday 13 December 2013 18:13:29 Brian wrote: > The call for release goals has finished and we have received the > following proposals: > >* UTF-8 What's wrong with UTF-8 currently? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3576906.ODU6FxOcE6@melforce
