Re: zfs, autofs dependencies

[David Wright]

Quoting Mimiko (vbv...@gmail.com):
> On 03.04.2015 23:21, David Wright wrote:
> >I'm as yet unconvinced. I can't see in your original posting where
> >you've told ZFS how to manage mounting your volumes.
> 
> 
> In my original post I've wrote:
> 
> zfs create -V 4T zfspool/backup
> zfs create -V 1T zfspool/network
> zfs create -V 1T zfspool/op
> 
> mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/backup /backup
> mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/network /backup/network
> mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/op /backup/op
> 
> Lats three commands can be put in /etc/fstab

You can't put commands in /etc/fstab; it's not executable.
And there's not much context for those reposted lines...

I see you originally did

# zpool create -f -m none -o ashift=12 zfspool raidz2 disk1 

What does that -m none mean?
So you have a pool; then 3 zfs create commands make 3 filesystems?
Then, with a directory in your / called /backup,

# mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/backup /backup

mounted the first created filesystem there.
Did you then have to mkdir the mountpoints /backup/network and
/backup/op for the following two commands to work?

# mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/network /backup/network
# mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/op /backup/op

Having got everything to mount ok, you then rebooted? Is that right?
Sorry to single-step through this, but that's the only way for me to
know what you actually did.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Emacs terminal corruption in Debian virtualbox guests

[Dennis Schafroth]

I am hit by this on one out of four virtual boxes guests running Debian 8 
jessie (3 upgraded from wheezy, one installed clean). 

The one behaving bad is upgraded just as the other one running the same Mac 
mini host. The two others runs on another Mac mini.

The package installed on bad is exactly the same as the clean installed. 
Environments also looks very much the same. 

Next step will be to compare the installation for differences and /etc.

cheers, 
:-Dennis


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Re: LVM and mdadm

[Bob Proulx]

Petter Adsen wrote:
> /dev/md0 is a 1G mirror for /boot, no LVM there. /dev/md1 is a mirror,
> than consists of the major part of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - both 250G.
> There are also 4G swap partitions on sda and sdb, no RAID there.

This isn't a complaint but just comment.  I gave myself a lot of free
space so that I could be slack about removing previous kernels.  I
have a lot of kernels installed.  I should prune.

  $ ls /boot/vmlinuz-* | wc -l
  14

But I still have a lot of space.

  Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/md0456M  261M  172M  61% /boot

That 1G of /boot is going to be a lot of space for you.  Of course
drives are so large these days that another 512M is absolutely nothing
in the grand scheme of things.  You are just going to have a lot of
space there and will never have a concern over filling up that
partition.  :-)

> The installation went smoothly, and I think I got everything right.
> However, when I run "pvdisplay -v", it says:
> DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
> Scanning for physical volume names

And I see the discussion and answer from Reco on this.  I had not
ever used -v and had never seen that message.  I would have wondered
if I had.  Now I can file the information away as a bug.

There are two other bugs that routinely annoy me.  One is that in
Jessie they added more columns to the output.  Fine.  But then they
print all of the spaces between even when the columns are empty.

  https://bugs.debian.org/761676

The other is that lvm complains about things it should not complain
about.  Specifically open file descriptors.  I often see this
abnoxious message from lvm depending upon the environment and scripts
from which I invoke it.

  File descriptor 3 (/dev/tty) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 12261: 
/bin/bash

  https://bugs.debian.org/639773

Both are minor nuisances and do not affect any functionality.

Bob


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Re: Purge by Default

[The Wanderer]

On 04/03/2015 at 06:50 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a way to "--purge" by default when using apt-get or
> aptitude? I often browse the apt repo and install various things I
> find (mostly games) to discover it, then remove them in a few
> hours/days/weeks. I'm afraid of leaving tons of config files laying
> on my system.

I don't use this setting myself, but based on the apt-get man page under
'--purge', it looks like the APT::Get::Purge configuration-file setting
should do what you want.

Either add it to /etc/apt.conf, or create an appropriate file to put it
in under /etc/apt.conf.d/. If I'm parsing things correctly, the stanza
you want is probably a line reading:

APT::Get::Purge "true";

Again, I don't use this and haven't tested it, but it looks like what
I'd expect to be the correct avenue. You may want to try some searches
and/or otherwise read up on it further before testing it; that's up to
you.

If you ever want to install or uninstall and _not_ purge, the
command-line option "--no-purge" should be able to override this
setting.

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
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Re: Jessie and /var

[Bob Proulx]

Petter Adsen wrote:
> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> > Petter Adsen wrote:
> > > I am preparing to set up Jessie on my home server today, with mdadm
> > > RAID and LVM. Even though I am using LVM, I want to get the volume
> > > sizes about right when I first set them up.

You can always expand the volume very trivially.  You can't shrink it
easily however.  So don't go crazy-too-large or you will have
unusuable space.  A comfortable amount is fine.  Here are some very
active systems of mine.  In review now I could probably bump up the
space there a little bit but at the same time those haven't had space
issues ever either.

  Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/mapper/h3-var  2.8G  2.2G  478M  83% /var

  Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/mapper/h9-var  2.8G  1.8G  853M  69% /var

  FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/mapper/t4-var5.5G  1.2G  4.1G  23% /var

> > > VM images and containers are stored under /var - is there anything
> > > else that systemd stores under /var that might take up enough space
> > > that I should be aware of when setting up?
> > 
> > why not mount a dedicated partition inside /var  for such usage ?
> > /var/local ?

I mount an additional volume at /var/lib/libvirt/images in order to
handle the image sizes.  Or with LVM build the VM images directly in a
logical volume.  That is the recommendation for performance anyway.

> That is a possibility, but I will either:
> 
> a) simply set up a /var large enough for all I need, or
> b) symlink to /srv, if necessary
> 
> I am hoping to avoid symlinking, though.

Why do you want to avoid the symlink?

Alternatively use a bind mount.  This is what I do system.  In this
example I had a large /home partition and I wanted to share the space
there.  I bind mounted /home/images to /var/lib/libvirt/images.

The /etc/fstab entry:

  /home/images /var/lib/libvirt/images none bind 0 0

This will create an error on purge because the postrm can't remove the
directory but since we know what we did that is okay to ignore and
cleanup after the package purge.  Understand and ignore it.  I don't
have plans to purge the production use of this anytime soon.  Just
noting it for the record.

> But what I was wondering is if there is anything other than
> containers/VM images that systemd introduces in /var that takes a
> significant amount of space?

It depends completely upon what you install.  Everyone will install a
different set of things.  As David mentioned apt-cacher-ng caches
packages and will consume in its cache up to the configured size.  On
my other machine with it installed I have it using its own logical
volume.

  FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/mapper/vg1-acng  9.9G  3.3G  6.2G  35% /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng

> BTW: Whoever came up with the ability to do parts of the installer via
> ssh - thank you, thank you, thank you! :) _Very_ convenient, I just
> hadn't actually tried it before.

That is a pretty cool feature.

Bob


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Re: Purge by Default

[Bob Proulx]

Stephen R Guglielmo wrote:
> Is there a way to "--purge" by default when using apt-get or aptitude?
> I often browse the apt repo and install various things I find (mostly
> games) to discover it, then remove them in a few hours/days/weeks. I'm
> afraid of leaving tons of config files laying on my system.

Can you simply remember to use purge instead of remove?

Instead of these:

  apt-get remove foo
  dpkg --remove foo

Use the purge word instead of remove.

  apt-get purge foo
  dpkg --purge foo

That is what I do.  For autoremove there is always the option.

  apt-get autoremove --purge

Noting that I have etckeeper installed so I can always pull config
files out of version control if needed.  Plus I have backups so that I
can always pull a backup version back if needed.

Bob


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Trailing "m"s at the end of every line when viewing man pages

[Stephen Powell]

I am experiencing a very strange phenomenon.  I have an old IBM 3151
ASCII display terminal that has been lying around the house;
and today I decided to see if I could get it connected up to one
of my PCs, which runs Debian GNU/Linux (jessie).  I was successful
in doing this.  But when I login to Debian from the IBM 3151 terminal,
I have noticed some strange goings on.  The system locale is
en_US.UTF-8.  But of course this old terminal is mostly 7-bit ASCII,
though it does support vt100 graphic character escape sequences for
box drawing.  I have modified ~/.bashrc so that if the terminal type
($TERM) is ibm3151, I set LANG to en_US, and that has solved some
problems.  But when I issue the MAN command, I see lower-case "m"s
at the end of each line.

I tried searching the internet with the keywords

   trailing m at the end of each line with man

but it produced no useful results.  Ideas, anyone?

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Icedove stopped sending and receiving e-mail

[Gary Dale]

I've just had a rather bad time with my Debian/Jessie AMD64 system. I  
had to reset it yesterday after a hardware-related lockup (it doesn't  
like my optical drive connected to an add-in PCIe SATA card - usually  
freezes after writing an ISO image to DVD). The lockup wouldn't  
respond to sysrq so I needed the reset button.


Trying to get back up was painful. I finally got it back by reverting  
to SysV Init, which fortunately was an option on the Grub menu.


However now that it's running, I'm having a weird problem with  
Icedove. I can't receive e-mail on any of the accounts it's configured  
to check. Moreover, I have three accounts that it's not showing the  
inbox, etc. for. These are all configured for pop e-mail and the  
e-mail folders are all on a single NFS share that is also used by the  
accounts that are showing the inboxes, etc..


The e-mail in the folders that I can see are complete - back to the  
time the machine froze, but nothing since.


Interestingly, when I try to Get Messages on an account, I get the  
status bar message : Connected to .


I tried uninstalling and re-installing Icedove but nothing changed.

I can access the accounts via their web-mail interfaces.

I tried sending this message via Icedove but it failed to send. I just  
get the "sending message" box and status bar.


Any ideas?


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Re: md5sums and shasums

[deloptes]

Paul E Condon wrote:

> This is a place where Debian is really not newbie friendly.

I think it never aimed to be - therefore you have ubuntu ... at least my
feeling



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Re: Jessie and /var

[David Wright]

Quoting Petter Adsen (pet...@synth.no):
> I am preparing to set up Jessie on my home server today, with mdadm
> RAID and LVM. Even though I am using LVM, I want to get the volume
> sizes about right when I first set them up.
> 
> VM images and containers are stored under /var - is there anything else
> that systemd stores under /var that might take up enough space that I
> should be aware of when setting up?

I might not understand the question, but looking at /var on a couple
of my machines, the biggest thing is apt-cacher-ng's cache which is
over 9GB (but serving up both wheezy and jessie).
Next is jessie's /var/log with /var/log/journal/ using 1.4GB.
I tried running ntopng and that gobbles inodes; ls -1R /var/tmp/ntopng
produces over 39,000 lines (in six weeks).

Cheers,
David.


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 15:50:03 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/04/2015 03:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > df currently reports:
> >
> > Filesystem  1K-blocks   
> >   Used  Available Use% Mounted on rootfs
> >  944923028 128755476  768168168  15% / udev 
> >   10240 0   
> >   10240   0% /dev tmpfs 
> > 819968   868 819100   1% /run
> > /dev/disk/by-uuid/9fe9e68d-9827-4c8b-af4a-0753996f5e04  944923028
> > 128755476  768168168  15% / tmpfs   
> > 5120 0   5120   0% /run/lock tmpfs  
> >   4994340 0 
> >   4994340   0% /run/shm /dev/sdb2   
> >960929128 607842648  304274040  67% /amandatapes
> > shop.coyote.den:/   234470400  
> > 7254784  215305216   4% /net/shop lathe.coyote.den:/
> > 1917316096   3143680 1816778496   1% /net/lathe
> > shop:/home/gene 234470400  
> > 7254784  215305216   4% /net/shop/home/gene lathe:/home 
> >   1917316096   3143680 1816778496   1%
> > /net/lathe/home
>
> What do you have in fstab? Ric
UUID=9fe9e68d-9827-4c8b-af4a-0753996f5e04 / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0   1
UUID=e03b6db9-47ff-4c59-9956-b5f69e3c5957 none swap sw 0   0
/dev/sr0/media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto0   0
shop.coyote.den:/   /net/shop   nfs defaults   0   2
lathe.coyote.den:/  /net/lathe  nfs defaults   0   2
UUID=b7657920-d9a2-4379-ae21-08a0651b65cc /amandatapes ext3 defaults 0   2
>
> --
> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Ric Moore]

On 04/04/2015 03:31 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:


df currently reports:

Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  
Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs  944923028 128755476  
768168168  15% /
udev10240 0 
 10240   0% /dev
tmpfs  819968   868 
819100   1% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/9fe9e68d-9827-4c8b-af4a-0753996f5e04  944923028 128755476  
768168168  15% /
tmpfs5120 0 
  5120   0% /run/lock
tmpfs 4994340 0
4994340   0% /run/shm
/dev/sdb2   960929128 607842648  
304274040  67% /amandatapes
shop.coyote.den:/   234470400   7254784  
215305216   4% /net/shop
lathe.coyote.den:/ 1917316096   3143680 
1816778496   1% /net/lathe
shop:/home/gene 234470400   7254784  
215305216   4% /net/shop/home/gene
lathe:/home1917316096   3143680 
1816778496   1% /net/lathe/home



What do you have in fstab? Ric

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 14:24:31 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/04/2015 03:32 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 02:41:05 Ric Moore wrote:
> >> On 04/03/2015 10:52 AM, David Wright wrote:
> >>> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> When he mentioned drives in a hot swap cage, isn't that RAID?? Then
> >> didn't the installer made the correct call? :/ Ric
> >
> > No raid involved Ric, just 3 drives in a hot swap cage,
> > tigerdirect.com did have them, about a $70 bill when I bought this
> > one after Jim showed me that was what he was using in all his new
> > builds at the tv station.
> >
> > Here,   sda is the drive I am booted from,
>
> Is sda the hotplug cage of drives??

Its in there yes, but there is no "electronics" in the cage other than 
the bldc commutation stuff in the fan motor.  Each pocket has its own 
sata cable socket, connected to the corresponding sata socket on the 
motherboard. All individually connect and mounted in /etc/fstab.

> I BET you have raid.

Pay up Ric!  Uhh, what was the bet? :)

> If so, then  
> the installer wouldn't let you mess with it, which accounts for much.
> :) Ric

You might want to go dry off your theory before it gets all mushy, as 
its all wet. ;-)
>
The motherboard manual says it has a both an nvidia nforce controller 
and jmicron, which can do raid up to 5 for the nvidia, and only 0/1 on 
the jmicron, and both do JBOD, but its never been configured as anything 
but individual drives.

df currently reports:

Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  
Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs  944923028 128755476  
768168168  15% /
udev10240 0 
 10240   0% /dev
tmpfs  819968   868 
819100   1% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/9fe9e68d-9827-4c8b-af4a-0753996f5e04  944923028 128755476  
768168168  15% /
tmpfs5120 0 
  5120   0% /run/lock
tmpfs 4994340 0
4994340   0% /run/shm
/dev/sdb2   960929128 607842648  
304274040  67% /amandatapes
shop.coyote.den:/   234470400   7254784  
215305216   4% /net/shop
lathe.coyote.den:/ 1917316096   3143680 
1816778496   1% /net/lathe
shop:/home/gene 234470400   7254784  
215305216   4% /net/shop/home/gene
lathe:/home1917316096   3143680 
1816778496   1% /net/lathe/home

Humm, never paid any attention to the drive size in the lathes box till
now.  No wonder they were hesitant to sell me that "student" special when
I went to buy the 2nd one 4 months later.  They actually had to, because 
the 250Gb drives were gone, to put a 2Tb drive in that machine in order to 
ship the full kit!  And despite running the exact same installs, the
lathe gives me a login for an ssh -Y session at least 5x faster than on
the original.  They are both ARK shoeboxes with an Intel D525MW atom based
motherboard, a gig of ram, r-w optical drive.  $265 with a throwaway keyboard,
matching mouse, both  wired, and mouse pad + a boom mic & headset, sitting
on my front deck after the brown truck was gone.

> --
> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Xorg -configure fails with "created screens does not match number of detected devices"

[Ric Moore]

On 04/03/2015 09:34 AM, David Wright wrote:

Quoting venkat (venka...@vortexindia.co.in):


Tried various options today and finally modified xorg.conf with below settings
made my X server start with multiple displays enabled.


Section "Device"
   Identifier "Intel GMA3600"
   Driver "modesetting"
   BusID "PCI: 0: 2: 0
   Option "Monitor-DVI-0" "DVI screen"
   Option "Monitor-VGA-0" "VGA screen"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
   Identifier "DVI screen"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
   Identifier "VGA screen"
EndSection


Good.


However, i notice that the display is not smooth. Even, when i traverse to from
one menu to other i see it so shaky. Right now fighting to fix that.
  Need some guidance


I typed   gma3600 jerky   into google. The second hit contains:

"The new D2700 does have integrated HD video encoding and it works as
promised for the most part. Both 720p and 1080p HD video can be played
as long as its either MPEG2 or H.264, although 1080p can be a bit
jerky at times. It's not a slideshow, but it's also not completely
smooth. Especially when the bitrate is a bit higher, it starts to
struggle. This likely has to do with Intel's GMA3600 video drivers
that the manufacturer has been struggling with since launching the new
Atom platform in late 2011."

I know nothing about this hardware but I know a man who does. :)


On my old Thinkpad, I had to reduce the color depth in xorg.conf. Worked 
a charm. Ric




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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 14:14:21 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> > > > > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be
> > > > > careful to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left
> > > > > running on logout) which would try to access files under
> > > > > /home/*/ - and though I don't know of anything offhand which
> > > > > would necessarily do that, I wouldn't want to assume that
> > > > > nothing would.
> > > >
> > > > If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user
> > > > USER", and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER".
> > > > For Wheezy I don't know, though.
> > >
> > > pgrep -lU $USER
> > >
> > > pkill -TERM -U $USER
> > >
> > > pgrep -lU $USER
> > >
> > > pkill -KILL -U $USER
> > >
> > > Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.
> >
> > But that still doesn't address The Wanderer's point. For example, on
> > one of my machines, a cron job pops up every minute, day and night, to
> > see whether to record music off the radio.
> >
> > It just seems sensible to me to use "single" for what it's for, rather
> > than try to fly-swat a number of corner cases (to mix metaphors).
> > (Particularly if others, like gene, might archive this method.)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David.
> 
> This business of using cron to drive much of my stuff amply illustrates 
> this "problem".  But there are several other things that cron runs on my 
> behalf, most of which have been running so long that the only time I 
> notice them is when I realise, finally, that they have stopped.  The 
> above stuff would not prevent an attempt to execute some of them unless 
> cron itself has been killed.
> 
> Since this could be a valid concern, is that easily done?  Possibly by, 
> if systemd isn't running the show, making sure cron is not running in 
> the "single" runlevel mode?  Or is that already done. Time for a 
> chkconfig session I think.

Unless you install badly-written third-party software - there should be
small amount of processes running in single-user. From the top of my
head - init, root's bash, iscsi daemon, nfs-client and dhcp-client.
Nothing that writes in /home or /opt, that's for sure.


> Which "runlevel" is "single"?

The one that is marked with '1'.


> I get this from chkconfig --list
> cron  0:off  1:off  2:on   3:on   4:on   5:on   6:off

And as expected, cron should not run in single-user.

>
> And I also see this, which is why I had to hand start networking on the 
> last reboot after expunging Network-Manager.
> networking0:off  1:off  2:off  3:off  4:off  5:off  6:off  
> S:on 

update-rc.d networking enable

Reco


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Ric Moore]

On 04/04/2015 06:55 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:



On Saturday 04 April 2015 04:40:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Saturday 04 April 2015 00:34:53 Gene Heskett wrote:

On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:

Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent"
(my stars)


No - it is another Gene special.

Lisi


Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.

The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the
pond in **technical literature* such as service manuals for
at least 65


years that


I personally know of.


That is NOT common language.  That is specialist language!


Aren't we roaming way way off-topic here? Can we pull this plug and take 
it to G+? :/ Ric



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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 12:43:14 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> Quoting Reco (recovery...@gmail.com):
> > On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:04:53 +0200
> > Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > > On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
> > > The Wanderer  wrote:
> > > > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be careful
> > > > to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running on logout)
> > > > which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and though I don't
> > > > know of anything offhand which would necessarily do that, I wouldn't
> > > > want to assume that nothing would.
> > > 
> > > If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user USER",
> > > and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER". For Wheezy I
> > > don't know, though.
> > 
> > pgrep -lU $USER
> > 
> > pkill -TERM -U $USER
> > 
> > pgrep -lU $USER
> > 
> > pkill -KILL -U $USER
> > 
> > Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.
> 
> But that still doesn't address The Wanderer's point. For example, on
> one of my machines, a cron job pops up every minute, day and night, to
> see whether to record music off the radio.

There's nothing in that cannot be fixed with stopping cron, isn't it?
But for the sake of completeness I'd like to add that fiddling with
logind does not prevent cron jobs from starting either.


> It just seems sensible to me to use "single" for what it's for, rather
> than try to fly-swat a number of corner cases (to mix metaphors).
> (Particularly if others, like gene, might archive this method.)

Single-user is a bulletproof way to be sure, but it requires a console
access (which is not always available or is convenient).

Killing all user processes *and* renaming /home is much simpler and 
almost correct way to accomplish the needed task.

Reco


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Ric Moore]

On 04/04/2015 03:32 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 04 April 2015 02:41:05 Ric Moore wrote:

On 04/03/2015 10:52 AM, David Wright wrote:

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):

[...]

When he mentioned drives in a hot swap cage, isn't that RAID?? Then
didn't the installer made the correct call? :/ Ric


No raid involved Ric, just 3 drives in a hot swap cage, tigerdirect.com
did have them, about a $70 bill when I bought this one after Jim showed
me that was what he was using in all his new builds at the tv station.

Here,   sda is the drive I am booted from,


Is sda the hotplug cage of drives?? I BET you have raid. If so, then the 
installer wouldn't let you mess with it, which accounts for much. :) Ric





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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 13:43:14 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Reco (recovery...@gmail.com):
> > On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:04:53 +0200
> >
> > Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > > On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
> > >
> > > The Wanderer  wrote:
> > > > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be
> > > > careful to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left
> > > > running on logout) which would try to access files under
> > > > /home/*/ - and though I don't know of anything offhand which
> > > > would necessarily do that, I wouldn't want to assume that
> > > > nothing would.
> > >
> > > If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user
> > > USER", and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER".
> > > For Wheezy I don't know, though.
> >
> > pgrep -lU $USER
> >
> > pkill -TERM -U $USER
> >
> > pgrep -lU $USER
> >
> > pkill -KILL -U $USER
> >
> > Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.
>
> But that still doesn't address The Wanderer's point. For example, on
> one of my machines, a cron job pops up every minute, day and night, to
> see whether to record music off the radio.
>
> It just seems sensible to me to use "single" for what it's for, rather
> than try to fly-swat a number of corner cases (to mix metaphors).
> (Particularly if others, like gene, might archive this method.)
>
> Cheers,
> David.

This business of using cron to drive much of my stuff amply illustrates 
this "problem".  But there are several other things that cron runs on my 
behalf, most of which have been running so long that the only time I 
notice them is when I realise, finally, that they have stopped.  The 
above stuff would not prevent an attempt to execute some of them unless 
cron itself has been killed.

Since this could be a valid concern, is that easily done?  Possibly by, 
if systemd isn't running the show, making sure cron is not running in 
the "single" runlevel mode?  Or is that already done. Time for a 
chkconfig session I think.

Which "runlevel" is "single"?

I get this from chkconfig --list
cron  0:off  1:off  2:on   3:on   4:on   5:on   6:off

And I also see this, which is why I had to hand start networking on the 
last reboot after expunging Network-Manager.
networking0:off  1:off  2:off  3:off  4:off  5:off  6:off  S:on 

So it looks as if I need to consult the manpage to see how to enable that.

Thanks David, for bring up the subject.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[David Wright]

Quoting Reco (recovery...@gmail.com):
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:04:53 +0200
> Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
> > The Wanderer  wrote:
> > > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be careful
> > > to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running on logout)
> > > which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and though I don't
> > > know of anything offhand which would necessarily do that, I wouldn't
> > > want to assume that nothing would.
> > 
> > If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user USER",
> > and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER". For Wheezy I
> > don't know, though.
> 
> pgrep -lU $USER
> 
> pkill -TERM -U $USER
> 
> pgrep -lU $USER
> 
> pkill -KILL -U $USER
> 
> Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.

But that still doesn't address The Wanderer's point. For example, on
one of my machines, a cron job pops up every minute, day and night, to
see whether to record music off the radio.

It just seems sensible to me to use "single" for what it's for, rather
than try to fly-swat a number of corner cases (to mix metaphors).
(Particularly if others, like gene, might archive this method.)

Cheers,
David.


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 13:19:52 Brian wrote:
> On Sat 04 Apr 2015 at 12:57:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 12:05:55 Brian wrote:
> > > I said nothing of the sort. All my responses have been in the
> > > context of using d-i. That goes for others too.
> >
> > d-i? expand please.
>
> Debian installer.

Ahh so, thanks Brian.

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Re: [OT] Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 12:59:49 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> >  tbe, To Be Exact
>
> "Even with a tested IQ of 147, the wet ram is now having problems of
> the short term memory variety, TBE when its 80 years old."
>
> Parses, but fails semantic analysis.

Ahh, I had to re-read that 3 or 4 times because I used TBE for To Be 
Expected in that case, my bad, no biscuit.  I'd go to my room, but I'm 
already there. :(
>
> Apologies for not adding OT earlier.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Brian]

On Sat 04 Apr 2015 at 12:57:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 04 April 2015 12:05:55 Brian wrote:
> >
> > I said nothing of the sort. All my responses have been in the context
> > of using d-i. That goes for others too.
> 
> d-i? expand please.

Debian installer.


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Re: A question about deleting a big file structure from a big disk in Jessie: Why does this work? I'm really worried.

[Paul E Condon]

On 20150403_1501-0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
> > David Wright wrote:
> > > I'm not so unlucky as Bob appears to be (he says, touching wood), but
> > 
> > I think Bob came to his conclusion during a previous period of
> > instability in Debian,
> 
> It could also be that I was unlucky in my purchase of cheap USB disk
> enclosures.  Which is why I was careful to relate my experience but
> not cast blame.  Your experiences and others may very well be
> different!  You will have different hardware at the least.  That will
> make a big difference.  I encourage everyone to generate their own
> experience and collect and report the data from it.  It is obvious
> what I am thinking but that doesn't mean it is correct.  I am simply
> communicating in what I hope to be a helpful way.
> 
> Also I know the USB interface is terrible.  I have had the fortune not
> to need to develop on it directly but I have worked with others who
> have had to deal with it in great detail.  Everyone always says the
> same thing.  People who work at the low level USB always report that
> it is a terrible standard.  And yet it has arrived as the defacto
> interconnect used everywhere.  Sigh.  We are going to need to be using
> it for many years.
> 
> I do pause for thought when people talk about file system and usb
> problems "in Debian" as if Debian is the upstream for it.  For the
> most part this would be "in Linux" (unless one was a kfreebsd user).
> Although Debian does have patches for the Linux kernel as far as I can
> see every attempt is made to stick with upstream for the main
> functionality as much as possible.  No one wants to fork and maintain
> critical functionality such as this.  If I had read "a previous period
> of instability in Linux" I think that would have been more accurate.
> Yet the Debian Stable kernels have been selected versions of the Linux
> kernel selected for their stability.  And I had no other flakiness
> noticed.
> 
> That is why I blame my cheap hardware.  And I emphasize cheap because
> literally I can't remember spending more than $20 for any one of my
> USB disk enclosures.  It is a "Market for Lemons".
> 
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons
> 
> > but rather than start an argument that can only degenerate trying to
> > score debating point, I want to gather more date.
> 
> I hope we have a pleasant discourse concerning it.  Out of the
> collected experience I hope we can deduce the best ways to deal with
> these problems.  Hopefully no arguments between us.
> 
> > Bob has already helped me by making a truly useful suggestion,
> > for which I thank him.
> 
> You are most welcome for the hints!  Small and insignificant though
> they may be.
> 
> Bob

Bob,
On rereading my message, I can see why you are unhappy and offended.

My intent in specifying Debian was to single it out as a place on the
web where rational and knowledgeable people are found, yourself
especially. 

Between making ill advised posts here, I have been searching the web.
I found two sources that I wish had known about, but didn't.

One is the Backblaze.com web site. Their marketing actually contains
some real technical information on modern HD technology.

And an article in Wikipedia on the history of disk storage:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive) and other articles that
are linked from there. I learned things that you might think everyone
knows, but I didn't.

For instance, it is known that HDD failure rates do not have 'infant
mortality' (tendency to fail when first put into service) nor
'senility' (a tendency to fail late in life, after a long period of
reliable service).

And, the newer high information density drives all have a supply of
reserve sectors which they use to automatically replace sectors that
are showing signs of incipient failure.

All of the disks in USB packaging that I have had are ones for which
these facts apply. If one is gathering the right data while using
them, one can predictably when they cannot continue to serve, that is
when, for each disk individually, its supply of reserve sectors runs
out. Other random failures can shorten the life to something less can
cause failure when there is still a supply of 'reserve' sectors.

The technical basis of the Backblaze business monitoring all the spinning
reserve (which is a borrowed technical term from the electrical power
industry where it means a dynamo that is already spinning but is not
actually delivering power to the grid).

I certainly wasn't keeping records of HD performance the way Backblase
says they do. I am rethinking. I think I need to be quiet for awhile.

Best regards,
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[OT] Re: firefox-37, where to put

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> 
>  tbe, To Be Exact

"Even with a tested IQ of 147, the wet ram is now having problems of
the short term memory variety, TBE when its 80 years old."

Parses, but fails semantic analysis.

Apologies for not adding OT earlier.

Cheers,
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 12:05:55 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 20:29:04 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 18:38:06 Brian wrote:
> > > Your turn now for some gauntlet picking up and a keystroke by
> > > keystroke account. :)
> > >
> > > There is no significant space available on the disk to install to.
> > > The only way to get an OS on it is to use the existing
> > > partition(s).
> >
> > Scuse me?
>
> Certainly.
>
> > Every other partitioning tool on the planet, from fdisk on is
> > capable of creating a blank partition table in memory, letting you
> > add new partitions to it etc etc. And when you are done, they will
> > blindly write this newly composed table to the disk, no questions
> > asked.
> >
> > And yet you _all_ are telling me this tool is incapable of doing
> > that?
>
> I said nothing of the sort. All my responses have been in the context
> of using d-i. That goes for others too.

d-i? expand please.

> > What is the difference between deleting all existing partitions and
> > creating new ones in the now blank table? and just making a new
> > table and writing it. There should be no difference because in each
> > case it is overwriting what was originally there. FWIW I did try
> > that once, with exactly the same results.
>
> None, I think. But it didn't work for you; where you placed the blame
> then I've forgotten.
>
> > I rest my case.
> >
> > In any event were are doing nothing but argueing until the drives
> > that will give me some toys to play with get here late next week.
>
> I'll have lost the will to live by then.

Aww, Gee.  I hate it when that happens. :(

> Reciprocation rather than a 
> film show would have speeded things up. :)

I repeat, I did not keep a paper trail, and if I try to recall what I 
did, by the time I got done I was so frustrated I'd remember it wrong 
anyway. So there is no use broadcasting a sequence missing half the 
steps I did, it wastes time for all.

Until the new pair of drives arrive (shipped UPS Friday), I haven't a 
drive to play with, and obviously I am not going to blow away this 
install to get that requested trace since its taken me this long to get 
it working as well as it is.

The film show seems to be the only way I can present what I've done in a 
manner that should not generate a 6 week long thread arguing about what 
I did or did not do to cause my own headache if indeed it is my mistake.

I will let the images speak for me since no one believes me.  This drive 
will be safely laying on the table, to be inserted for recovery after 
the next install is tried.  And I am tempted to do one wheezy install as 
a test, and then, running this one, wait for the final Jessie on April 
25th, if its on time.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: md5sums and shasums

[Darac Marjal]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 14:07:48 +0300
Reco  wrote:

>  Hi.
> 
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 11:16:30 +0100
> Darac Marjal  wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:51:54 -0600
> > Paul E Condon  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 20150403_2316+0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > Can any kind soul take pity on my less than perfect sight and
> > > > tell me where to find the md5sums and shasums for these
> > > > downloads?  A URL would be great.  I just can't find them.
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Lisi
> > > 
> > > I asked that a not long ago, when RC 2 was announced. It's right
> > > in sight and very inconvenient to use:
> > > 
> > > You click of the hot link for the cpu type the you want and up
> > > pops a pup-up. Look at it carefully. There is a url of a web site
> > > in Sweden, I think. clicking on it is not effective. You enter
> > > the url displayed inside to popup manually into the menubar, one
> > > key stroke at a time. If you get it right, you will see a list of
> > > hot links. Third one, 'cdimage' will take you to the md5 & sha
> > > sums.
> > > 
> > > This is a place where Debian is really not newbie friendly. If
> > > one is a conscientious newbie, you have read all the fine words
> > > about using wget and *never* using a browser to download .iso
> > > files, but not a word about what to type at the command line to
> > > make wget go to where the goodies are. 
> > > 
> > 
> > I kind of wish Debian would support Metalink files for the
> > downloads. A Metalink file is a text file which details all the
> > mirror locations for the download (including, I think, location
> > information, so you can pick closer mirrors) - which may be
> > HTTP(S), BitTorrent, Magnet, RSync etc - as well as any number of
> > hashes on the download (MD5, SHAxxx, PGP etc).
> > 
> > If Metalink files were supplied, then people would have the best
> > chance of quickly getting the right file.
> 
> Does this Metalink thing support checking GPG signatures of files?
> The whole complexity doesn't arise from the fact that one should check
> hashes of downloaded ISOs. That's easy part.
> 
> The hard part is doing it correctly, which requires to check GPG
> signature of the checksum file itself first.

Yep. Section 4.2.13 of RFC 5854 describes a  tag which
encloses an inline signature (the type of signature is not specified,
but an example is shown of an OpenPGP signature.

Section 7.1 of the same document additionally covers how the Metalink
itself can be signed.

> 
> Reco
> 
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 09:04:33 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 13:18:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 05:08:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:41:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > I'll use jigl to make a slide
> > > > show thats well compressed.
> > >
> > > Please don't.  Some of us have visual impairments.  Just post the
> > > pictures.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > jigl has the advantage of allowing the viewer to select how the
> > slide is displayed.  As you can see on several of the sublinks on my
> > pages, the view opens with an array of thumbnails.  Clicking on one
> > of them brings it to about 1/4 screen view, and a further click on
> > that image makes it full screen and another click then gives you the
> > raw 10 megapixel image.jpeg as the camera spit it out, and you can
> > scroll around to look at the finest details, even seeing both lens
> > and imager abberations in the camera I used at the time. The back
> > button on the browser will back you out of coarse.  Some of that may
> > be browser dependent but I just checked with chromium and it seems
> > to work there also.
> >
> > Is that suitable?
>
> Fine for me!  In fact, great.  I didn't know that one could do that. 
> It was the idea of a _moving_ slide show that produced the reaction.
> :-(

Great my dear girl. It does have one glaring weakness though, it has no 
facilities to link a caption to the image, something that would be most 
helpfull.  Someone adept at Java? should remedy that.  But thats not me, 
I just drink the stuff. ;-)  By the largest cup in the cupboard usually.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Brian]

On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 20:29:04 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Friday 03 April 2015 18:38:06 Brian wrote:
> >
> > Your turn now for some gauntlet picking up and a keystroke by
> > keystroke account. :)
> >
> > There is no significant space available on the disk to install to. The
> > only way to get an OS on it is to use the existing partition(s).
> 
> Scuse me?

Certainly.

> Every other partitioning tool on the planet, from fdisk on is capable of 
> creating a blank partition table in memory, letting you add new 
> partitions to it etc etc. And when you are done, they will blindly write 
> this newly composed table to the disk, no questions asked.
> 
> And yet you _all_ are telling me this tool is incapable of doing that?

I said nothing of the sort. All my responses have been in the context of
using d-i. That goes for others too.

> What is the difference between deleting all existing partitions and 
> creating new ones in the now blank table? and just making a new table 
> and writing it. There should be no difference because in each case it is 
> overwriting what was originally there. FWIW I did try that once, with 
> exactly the same results.

None, I think. But it didn't work for you; where you placed the blame
then I've forgotten.
 
> I rest my case.
> 
> In any event were are doing nothing but argueing until the drives that 
> will give me some toys to play with get here late next week.

I'll have lost the will to live by then. Reciprocation rather than a
film show would have speeded things up. :)


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Re: A question about deleting a big file structure from a big disk in Jessie: Why does this work? I'm really worried.

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

I remember similar problems with a USB drive which were due to a broken cable.
Did you check with another USB cable?
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Re: Issues with Enigmail @ Icedove and a huge keyring

[Frank Lanitz]

Am 02.04.2015 um 14:37 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 12:15:44PM +0200, Frank Lanitz wrote:
>> I've got a quiet big keyring (>2k keys inside it) and since last updates
>> of enigmail I'm recognizing issues with it. Ehenever it's about
>> verifying a signature Enigmail is starting a gpg2 process like that
>>
>> /usr/bin/gpg2 --charset utf-8 --display-charset utf-8 --batch --no-tty
>> --status-fd 2 --with-fingerprint --fixed-list-mode --with-colons --list-keys
>>
>> which consumes 100% of one core for quiet some time and is blocking the
>> signature thing. This is happening about sind update to 1.8.x of Enigmail.
>>
>> Before I report an issue upstream to Enigmail I'd like to ask you
>> whether some of you is experincing some similar issue and/or is might
>> having an idea for fixing/workaround.
> 
> Try (if possible) adding --no-auto-check-trustdb to the GPG2 invocation of
> enigmail, and separately cron a 'gpg --check-trustdb' (with possibly some of
> --batch or --no-tty etc. added). I'm not sure what an appropriate frequency 
> for
> the cron should be, but gpg will not check the trust db even when asked if it
> doesn't think it necessary. (unless you add --yes).

I've tried it and it didn't irmpoe things much. I was able to put it
doen to 2 cases:
1) Decrypting and verifing and encrypted + signed mail
2) Creating a mail (and most likely searching for a fitting key) and
signing it -- most times only on first attempt.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 13:18:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 05:08:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:41:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I'll use jigl to make a slide
> > > show thats well compressed.
> >
> > Please don't.  Some of us have visual impairments.  Just post the
> > pictures.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> jigl has the advantage of allowing the viewer to select how the slide is
> displayed.  As you can see on several of the sublinks on my pages, the
> view opens with an array of thumbnails.  Clicking on one of them brings
> it to about 1/4 screen view, and a further click on that image makes it
> full screen and another click then gives you the raw 10 megapixel
> image.jpeg as the camera spit it out, and you can scroll around to look
> at the finest details, even seeing both lens and imager abberations in
> the camera I used at the time. The back button on the browser will back
> you out of coarse.  Some of that may be browser dependent but I just
> checked with chromium and it seems to work there also.
>
> Is that suitable?


Fine for me!  In fact, great.  I didn't know that one could do that.  It was 
the idea of a _moving_ slide show that produced the reaction. :-(


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 07:10:01 Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> * Gene Heskett  [2015-04-01 22:54 -0400]:
> > Greetings all;
>
> [...]
>
> > So I just dl'd firefox-37 tarball for 64 bit linux and unpacked it
> > into my home dirs bin subdir.  But thats likely not going to be
> > great as it probably looks someplace else for its libraries & such.
> >
> > So where is the std place it would normally live?  If it can still
> > find the old iceweasel password cache, that would be a huge plus.
>
> Did you checked out:
>
> http://mozilla.debian.net/
> http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/
>
> ?

Can't say as I have Elimer.  In the meantime iceweasel seems to have 
recovered and is working about as expected with no flashplayer.

Thank you.
> --
>   Alles was viel bedacht wird ist bedenklich!;-)
>  Friedrich Nietzsche

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 06:31:53 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 11:20:24AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these
> > > here parts for decades.
> >
> > I couldn't find that one on the acronym site!!
>
> I thought cf. was compare[d] with, or something like that.

I think, now that you mention it Chris, I have seen it used in that 
context.  Quite a few times on my watch in fact.
>
> --
> "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
> who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
> oppressing." --- Malcolm X

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 06:20:24 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these
> > here parts for decades.
>
> I couldn't find that one on the acronym site!!

The general meaning seems to that whatever it was, was an epic, even 
legendary failure.  A complete wreck, no salvage value left.  The usual 
pa announcement in the department or grocery store of "cleanup in aisle 
3" does not adequately describe it.

> Lisi

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Re: LVM and mdadm

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:09:20 +0300
Reco  wrote:

>  Hi.
> 
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 13:04:16 +0200
> Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > root@fenris:~# vgdisplay -v
> > DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
> > Finding all volume groups
> > Finding volume group "ROOTVG"
> >   --- Volume group ---
> > 
> 
> Ok, I have a good news, and I have a bad news.
> 
> The good news are:
> 
> 1) You don't have any mirrored LVs. Such LVs are explicitly marked by
> having 'Mirrored volumes', and you have none of those.
> 
> 2) You don't seem to have a problem with your LVM configuration,
> everything appears to be in place.

Good. :)

> And the bad news are:
> 
> '-v' option misleads you.
> 
> It says that 'Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed' and other
> scary stuff regardless of presence of such LVs. It says 'DEGRADED
> MODE', even in the case there everything is OK.

Yes, I noticed that. While viewing the configuration here, the message
only came up with "-v", which I thought would be odd if it was really
serious.

> About the only way to know for sure whenever it's OK or not - is to
> carefully view the status of every VG, LV and PV.
> 
> In fact, it seems that any LVM command with '-v' option will spew such
> 'warnings'.
> 
> It's Jessie's new feature, and it seems that nobody cared about
> documenting it. Short of original bug report, of course - [1].
> 
> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905063

OK, I didn't see that when I was searching for answers. Thank you for
taking the time anyway, it is good to know it was set up correctly,
especially since this is new to me. It would be nice if this was clear
in the man pages, though.

Petter

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 05:08:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:41:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I'll use jigl to make a slide
> > show thats well compressed.
>
> Please don't.  Some of us have visual impairments.  Just post the
> pictures.
>
> Lisi

jigl has the advantage of allowing the viewer to select how the slide is 
displayed.  As you can see on several of the sublinks on my pages, the 
view opens with an array of thumbnails.  Clicking on one of them brings 
it to about 1/4 screen view, and a further click on that image makes it 
full screen and another click then gives you the raw 10 megapixel 
image.jpeg as the camera spit it out, and you can scroll around to look 
at the finest details, even seeing both lens and imager abberations in 
the camera I used at the time. The back button on the browser will back 
you out of coarse.  Some of that may be browser dependent but I just 
checked with chromium and it seems to work there also.

Is that suitable?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: LVM and mdadm

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 13:04:16 +0200
Petter Adsen  wrote:
 
> > Please post the output of vgdisplay -v.
> 
> Here goes. "freshinstall" is just a snapshot of the system right after
> the first boot.

Yup. vgdisplay -v says just that.

> root@fenris:~# vgdisplay -v
> DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
> Finding all volume groups
> Finding volume group "ROOTVG"
>   --- Volume group ---
> 

Ok, I have a good news, and I have a bad news.

The good news are:

1) You don't have any mirrored LVs. Such LVs are explicitly marked by
having 'Mirrored volumes', and you have none of those.

2) You don't seem to have a problem with your LVM configuration,
everything appears to be in place.

And the bad news are:

'-v' option misleads you.

It says that 'Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed' and other
scary stuff regardless of presence of such LVs. It says 'DEGRADED
MODE', even in the case there everything is OK.

About the only way to know for sure whenever it's OK or not - is to
carefully view the status of every VG, LV and PV.

In fact, it seems that any LVM command with '-v' option will spew such
'warnings'.

It's Jessie's new feature, and it seems that nobody cared about
documenting it. Short of original bug report, of course - [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905063

Reco


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 05:06:09 Reco wrote:
>  Hi.
>
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:04:53 +0200
>
> Petter Adsen  wrote:
> > On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
> >
> > The Wanderer  wrote:
> > > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be
> > > careful to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running
> > > on logout) which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and
> > > though I don't know of anything offhand which would necessarily do
> > > that, I wouldn't want to assume that nothing would.
> >
> > If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user
> > USER", and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER". For
> > Wheezy I don't know, though.
>
> pgrep -lU $USER
>
> pkill -TERM -U $USER
>
> pgrep -lU $USER
>
> pkill -KILL -U $USER
>
> Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.
>
> Reco

Here is one such message I'll mark, Reco, but I'll mark it because I am 
not familiar with the p as a prefix to what I know as common commands.  
It turns out that the man page(s) are interesting reading.  Thank you 
for showing its use and making me curious.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 05:05:43 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > C.E.T., Certified Electronics Technician, I am one, registered as
> > NEB-118.  That card, dropped on the HR department desk when the
> > department is looking to hire an electronics technician, raises
> > eyebrows AND the salary that will be offered, considerably as it
> > says the carrier of that card does know what he is talking about and
> > can do the job.
>
> Sorry, Gene.  What you say here may be true, but it means absolutely
> nothing to most of us on this list.

That particular item is an American-ism.  OTOH, I'd expect that there are 
similar programs for professionals that are fairly widely spread.

Shysters in the business have caused a demand for some sort of a testing 
program and certifications for those that pass.  In some states you 
cannot get a business and tax license for your business without it by 
state law. California was one such early adopter, and opening a fly by 
night shop without the certification has been felony there since before 
I was last there when the '70's were wearing down.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the British (and the EU by 
inference) have a similar program, but probably under an obviously 
British name locally to Britain, and one I might not recognize in print 
or spoken.

> It still means nothing to me, I'm 
> afraid.  You have the qualification required for the job you do.  So,
> I would think, have most of us.
>
> Lisi

Absolutely Lisi. No one knows better than I that there is no one on the 
planet who knows everything.  But collectively, these lists, this one 
included, where everyone knows something, there are enough somebodies 
that the collective IQ is mind boggling.  Way above me, thats for sure. 
I am sorry if I don't say so often enough.

A message that contains a tidbit of information I might find useful at 
some point in the future, gets marked as important just so kmail doesn't 
expire it.  Since I didn't join until early February this year, there 
are at least 25 such messages saved & probably ought to be a hundred 
more because I didn't recognize the importance of it at the time.  That 
is 100% my problem if I let something go by without recognizing it.  

That happens, more frequently than I like to admit, but there it is.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 11:55:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 04:40:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 00:34:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent"
> > > > > (my stars)
> > > >
> > > > No - it is another Gene special.
> > > >
> > > > Lisi
> > >
> > > Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.
> > >
> > > The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the
> > > pond in **technical literature* such as service manuals for
> > > at least 65
> >
> > years that
> >
> > > I personally know of.
> >
> > That is NOT common language.  That is specialist language!
>
> Oh oh, did I miss the memo that revoked the specialist status of all
> linux users?
>
> Not a windoze sheeple, never have been (except after I bought an HP
> laptop with xp on it which 2 days later had the windows partition shrunk
> and ManDrake installed, so I'd have something I could take on the road
> when I was "consulting") and never will be a winderz slave.  I could
> sworn that makes everybody on these lists a specialist. So I must have
> missed the memo.  Can someone please send me a copy of it?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
Support for Debian users who speak English.

You are meant to speak English, not specialist jargon.  The idea, for most 
people anyway, is to be understood.  You seem to take delight in being as 
incomprehensible as possible. 

No-one is requiring you to be a Windows slave.  But you cannot call very 
specialist languge "common".  At least, since you clearly can and do, you 
cannot do so rationally.

If you want to speak in technical jargon, then do so on the cnc list.  At 
least most of them might understand it.  Or the electrical technicians list 
or something.

I would remind you of the Wiktionary definition of jargon:

jargon 
A technical terminology unique to a particular subject.
Language characteristic of a particular group.
Speech or language that is incomprehensible or unintelligible; gibberish.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jargon

Talking gibberish is annoying and unhelpful.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Elimar Riesebieter]

* Gene Heskett  [2015-04-01 22:54 -0400]:

> Greetings all;
[...]
> 
> So I just dl'd firefox-37 tarball for 64 bit linux and unpacked it into 
> my home dirs bin subdir.  But thats likely not going to be great as it 
> probably looks someplace else for its libraries & such.
> 
> So where is the std place it would normally live?  If it can still find 
> the old iceweasel password cache, that would be a huge plus.

Did you checked out:

http://mozilla.debian.net/
http://mozilla.debian.net/pool/iceweasel-release/i/iceweasel/

?

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Re: md5sums and shasums

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 11:16:30 +0100
Darac Marjal  wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:51:54 -0600
> Paul E Condon  wrote:
> 
> > On 20150403_2316+0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > Can any kind soul take pity on my less than perfect sight and tell
> > > me where to find the md5sums and shasums for these downloads?  A
> > > URL would be great.  I just can't find them.
> > > 
> > > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Lisi
> > 
> > I asked that a not long ago, when RC 2 was announced. It's right in
> > sight and very inconvenient to use:
> > 
> > You click of the hot link for the cpu type the you want and up pops a
> > pup-up. Look at it carefully. There is a url of a web site in Sweden,
> > I think. clicking on it is not effective. You enter the url displayed
> > inside to popup manually into the menubar, one key stroke at a time.
> > If you get it right, you will see a list of hot links. Third one,
> > 'cdimage' will take you to the md5 & sha sums.
> > 
> > This is a place where Debian is really not newbie friendly. If one is
> > a conscientious newbie, you have read all the fine words about using
> > wget and *never* using a browser to download .iso files, but not a
> > word about what to type at the command line to make wget go to where
> > the goodies are. 
> > 
> 
> I kind of wish Debian would support Metalink files for the downloads. A
> Metalink file is a text file which details all the mirror locations
> for the download (including, I think, location information, so you can
> pick closer mirrors) - which may be HTTP(S), BitTorrent, Magnet, RSync
> etc - as well as any number of hashes on the download (MD5, SHAxxx, PGP
> etc).
> 
> If Metalink files were supplied, then people would have the best chance
> of quickly getting the right file.

Does this Metalink thing support checking GPG signatures of files?
The whole complexity doesn't arise from the fact that one should check
hashes of downloaded ISOs. That's easy part.

The hard part is doing it correctly, which requires to check GPG
signature of the checksum file itself first.

Reco


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Re: LVM and mdadm

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 13:56:33 +0300
Reco  wrote:

>  Hi.
> 
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 12:48:32 +0200
> Petter Adsen  wrote:
> 
> > I've just finished setting up Jessie with mdadm and LVM, the latter
> > of which I have never used before.
> > 
> > /dev/md0 is a 1G mirror for /boot, no LVM there. /dev/md1 is a
> > mirror, than consists of the major part of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb -
> > both 250G. There are also 4G swap partitions on sda and sdb, no
> > RAID there.
> > 
> > The installation went smoothly, and I think I got everything right.
> > However, when I run "pvdisplay -v", it says:
> > DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
> > Scanning for physical volume names
> >   --- Physical volume ---
> >   PV Name   /dev/md1
> >   VG Name   ROOTVG
> >   PV Size   227.90 GiB / not usable 2.00 MiB
> >   Allocatable   yes 
> >   PE Size   4.00 MiB
> >   Total PE  58342
> >   Free PE   17812
> >   Allocated PE  40530
> >   PV UUID   bpoMmU-Z9w0-arNA-Q6Je-jdyl-P2nH-JiPtJY
> > 
> > Does that mean there is something wrong with the mirror under LVM?
> 
> It's possible that you have logical volumes created with --mirrors
> option, for example. It's not bad, just redundant (i.e. mirroring over
> mirroring).

Yeah, that would be redundant. I wouldn't really know, as I just
created the RAID mirror with the installer, and also used the installer
to create a PV filling md1, with a single VG, and a few LV's inside
that.

> Please post the output of vgdisplay -v.

Here goes. "freshinstall" is just a snapshot of the system right after
the first boot.

root@fenris:~# vgdisplay -v
DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
Finding all volume groups
Finding volume group "ROOTVG"
  --- Volume group ---
  VG Name   ROOTVG
  System ID 
  Formatlvm2
  Metadata Areas1
  Metadata Sequence No  6
  VG Access read/write
  VG Status resizable
  MAX LV0
  Cur LV4
  Open LV   3
  Max PV0
  Cur PV1
  Act PV1
  VG Size   227.90 GiB
  PE Size   4.00 MiB
  Total PE  58342
  Alloc PE / Size   42924 / 167.67 GiB
  Free  PE / Size   15418 / 60.23 GiB
  VG UUID   XviEb0-4Xq7-4aJO-4m8c-LtxI-aVGj-8CUIoN
   
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Path/dev/ROOTVG/LV_ROOT
  LV NameLV_ROOT
  VG NameROOTVG
  LV UUIDec5Fg4-OF3y-yB1S-dsXi-v2Nv-TqTJ-cwbEBg
  LV Write Accessread/write
  LV Creation host, time fenris, 2015-04-04 11:23:03 +0200
  LV snapshot status source of
 freshinstall [active]
  LV Status  available
  # open 1
  LV Size9.31 GiB
  Current LE 2384
  Segments   1
  Allocation inherit
  Read ahead sectors auto
  - currently set to 256
  Block device   253:0
   
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Path/dev/ROOTVG/LV_VAR
  LV NameLV_VAR
  VG NameROOTVG
  LV UUID8JVtGt-kZtM-P0bv-wFJe-MAse-u1MO-6SenQJ
  LV Write Accessread/write
  LV Creation host, time fenris, 2015-04-04 11:23:43 +0200
  LV Status  available
  # open 1
  LV Size55.88 GiB
  Current LE 14305
  Segments   1
  Allocation inherit
  Read ahead sectors auto
  - currently set to 256
  Block device   253:1
   
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Path/dev/ROOTVG/LV_HOME
  LV NameLV_HOME
  VG NameROOTVG
  LV UUIDIenPg1-9gY1-n4At-rC3v-6auK-X2Vd-tJ2ldf
  LV Write Accessread/write
  LV Creation host, time fenris, 2015-04-04 11:24:13 +0200
  LV Status  available
  # open 1
  LV Size93.13 GiB
  Current LE 23841
  Segments   1
  Allocation inherit
  Read ahead sectors auto
  - currently set to 256
  Block device   253:2
   
  --- Logical volume ---
  LV Path/dev/ROOTVG/freshinstall
  LV Namefreshinstall
  VG NameROOTVG
  LV UUIDn835Yc-gPq8-asVg-1yDV-1dgL-5eBU-sSV9db
  LV Write Accessread/write
  LV Creation host, time fenris, 2015-04-04 12:55:44 +0200
  LV snapshot status active destination for LV_ROOT
  LV Status  available
  # open 0
  LV Size9.31 GiB
  Current LE 2384
  COW-table size 9.35 GiB
  COW-table LE   2394
  Allocated to snapshot  0.00%
  Snapshot chunk size4.00 KiB
  Segments   1
  Allocation inherit
  Read ahead sectors auto
  - currently set to 256
  Bl

Re: LVM and mdadm

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 12:48:32 +0200
Petter Adsen  wrote:

> I've just finished setting up Jessie with mdadm and LVM, the latter of
> which I have never used before.
> 
> /dev/md0 is a 1G mirror for /boot, no LVM there. /dev/md1 is a mirror,
> than consists of the major part of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - both 250G.
> There are also 4G swap partitions on sda and sdb, no RAID there.
> 
> The installation went smoothly, and I think I got everything right.
> However, when I run "pvdisplay -v", it says:
> DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
> Scanning for physical volume names
>   --- Physical volume ---
>   PV Name   /dev/md1
>   VG Name   ROOTVG
>   PV Size   227.90 GiB / not usable 2.00 MiB
>   Allocatable   yes 
>   PE Size   4.00 MiB
>   Total PE  58342
>   Free PE   17812
>   Allocated PE  40530
>   PV UUID   bpoMmU-Z9w0-arNA-Q6Je-jdyl-P2nH-JiPtJY
> 
> Does that mean there is something wrong with the mirror under LVM?

It's possible that you have logical volumes created with --mirrors
option, for example. It's not bad, just redundant (i.e. mirroring over
mirroring).

Please post the output of vgdisplay -v.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 04:40:02 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 00:34:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent"
> > > > (my stars)
> > >
> > > No - it is another Gene special.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.
> >
> > The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the
> > pond in **technical literature* such as service manuals for
> > at least 65
>
> years that
>
> > I personally know of.
>
> That is NOT common language.  That is specialist language!

Oh oh, did I miss the memo that revoked the specialist status of all 
linux users?

Not a windoze sheeple, never have been (except after I bought an HP 
laptop with xp on it which 2 days later had the windows partition shrunk 
and ManDrake installed, so I'd have something I could take on the road 
when I was "consulting") and never will be a winderz slave.  I could 
sworn that makes everybody on these lists a specialist. So I must have 
missed the memo.  Can someone please send me a copy of it?

> > A Common Language indeed. :)
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > Genes Web page 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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LVM and mdadm

[Petter Adsen]

I've just finished setting up Jessie with mdadm and LVM, the latter of
which I have never used before.

/dev/md0 is a 1G mirror for /boot, no LVM there. /dev/md1 is a mirror,
than consists of the major part of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - both 250G.
There are also 4G swap partitions on sda and sdb, no RAID there.

The installation went smoothly, and I think I got everything right.
However, when I run "pvdisplay -v", it says:
DEGRADED MODE. Incomplete RAID LVs will be processed.
Scanning for physical volume names
  --- Physical volume ---
  PV Name   /dev/md1
  VG Name   ROOTVG
  PV Size   227.90 GiB / not usable 2.00 MiB
  Allocatable   yes 
  PE Size   4.00 MiB
  Total PE  58342
  Free PE   17812
  Allocated PE  40530
  PV UUID   bpoMmU-Z9w0-arNA-Q6Je-jdyl-P2nH-JiPtJY

Does that mean there is something wrong with the mirror under LVM?

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 11:31:53 Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 11:20:24AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these here
> > > parts for decades.
> >
> > I couldn't find that one on the acronym site!!
>
> I thought cf. was compare[d] with, or something like that.

yes.  But I couldn't find cluster f--k or anything like it, and context (and 
Gene) suggested that it didn't there mean "confer" (compare).

Lisi


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Apr 04, 2015 at 11:20:24AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these here
> > parts for decades.
> 
> I couldn't find that one on the acronym site!!

I thought cf. was compare[d] with, or something like that.

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these here
> parts for decades.

I couldn't find that one on the acronym site!!

Lisi


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Re: md5sums and shasums

[Darac Marjal]

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 21:51:54 -0600
Paul E Condon  wrote:

> On 20150403_2316+0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > Can any kind soul take pity on my less than perfect sight and tell
> > me where to find the md5sums and shasums for these downloads?  A
> > URL would be great.  I just can't find them.
> > 
> > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Lisi
> 
> I asked that a not long ago, when RC 2 was announced. It's right in
> sight and very inconvenient to use:
> 
> You click of the hot link for the cpu type the you want and up pops a
> pup-up. Look at it carefully. There is a url of a web site in Sweden,
> I think. clicking on it is not effective. You enter the url displayed
> inside to popup manually into the menubar, one key stroke at a time.
> If you get it right, you will see a list of hot links. Third one,
> 'cdimage' will take you to the md5 & sha sums.
> 
> This is a place where Debian is really not newbie friendly. If one is
> a conscientious newbie, you have read all the fine words about using
> wget and *never* using a browser to download .iso files, but not a
> word about what to type at the command line to make wget go to where
> the goodies are. 
> 

I kind of wish Debian would support Metalink files for the downloads. A
Metalink file is a text file which details all the mirror locations
for the download (including, I think, location information, so you can
pick closer mirrors) - which may be HTTP(S), BitTorrent, Magnet, RSync
etc - as well as any number of hashes on the download (MD5, SHAxxx, PGP
etc).

If Metalink files were supplied, then people would have the best chance
of quickly getting the right file.


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Re: debian 8

[Curt]

On 2015-04-04, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
>
> _All_ people?  How uncomforable!
>

Some people, some people.


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Re: zfs, autofs dependencies

[Mimiko]

On 03.04.2015 23:21, David Wright wrote:

Those scripts have logging lines. Have you read their output?


Yes, there are logging, But there is no any suspection lines in that log 
files. Only error is given when it's trying to mount devices so there are:

/backup/network - error mounting
/backup/op - error mounting
/backup - success

Despite that in /etc/fstab the /backup mount is specified first, it is 
mounting third at order. Its strange.



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Re: zfs, autofs dependencies

[Mimiko]

On 03.04.2015 23:21, David Wright wrote:

I'm as yet unconvinced. I can't see in your original posting where
you've told ZFS how to manage mounting your volumes.



In my original post I've wrote:

zfs create -V 4T zfspool/backup
zfs create -V 1T zfspool/network
zfs create -V 1T zfspool/op

mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/backup /backup
mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/network /backup/network
mount /dev/zvol/zfspool/op /backup/op

Lats three commands can be put in /etc/fstab



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Re: debian 8

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 10:16:55 Curt wrote:
> People get on my nerves

_All_ people?  How uncomforable!

Lisi


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Re: debian 8

[Curt]

On 2015-04-03, Bret Busby  wrote:
>>
> I would not get on a dog, either. I think that dogs are not
> constructed to be able to hold up the weight of a human on top of
> them.
>

People get on my nerves, which are not designed to support the burden
either.


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Re: Jessie and /var

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:01:47 +0200
Jerome BENOIT  wrote:

> Hello Petter,
> 
> On 04/04/15 09:23, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > I am preparing to set up Jessie on my home server today, with mdadm
> > RAID and LVM. Even though I am using LVM, I want to get the volume
> > sizes about right when I first set them up.
> > 
> > VM images and containers are stored under /var - is there anything
> > else that systemd stores under /var that might take up enough space
> > that I should be aware of when setting up?
> 
> 
> why not mount a dedicated partition inside /var  for such usage ?
> /var/local ?
> 
> Jerome

That is a possibility, but I will either:

a) simply set up a /var large enough for all I need, or
b) symlink to /srv, if necessary

I am hoping to avoid symlinking, though. But what I was wondering is if
there is anything other than containers/VM images that systemd
introduces in /var that takes a significant amount of space?

BTW: Whoever came up with the ability to do parts of the installer via
ssh - thank you, thank you, thank you! :) _Very_ convenient, I just
hadn't actually tried it before.

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Re: [OT] Use of language on this list was: Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 04/04/15 10:59, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> Why can't he actually type out these awful jargon acronyms?  And
> avoid this extra abstruse vocabulary?  Because we might actually
> understand if he did, and writing stuff we can't understand seems to
> make him feel superior.
> 
> But this is the English language list,  Perhaps we should insist on a
> known dialect of English, that is spoken by more than one person.

I believe the solution is quite simple:
If I don't understand (part of) a message, I'll just ignore it. If the
originator of that message is asking for help, he's unlikely to get it
from me.


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:41:04 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I'll use jigl to make a slide
> show thats well compressed.

Please don't.  Some of us have visual impairments.  Just post the pictures.

Lisi


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 09:04:53 +0200
Petter Adsen  wrote:

> On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
> The Wanderer  wrote:
> > Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be careful
> > to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running on logout)
> > which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and though I don't
> > know of anything offhand which would necessarily do that, I wouldn't
> > want to assume that nothing would.
> 
> If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user USER",
> and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER". For Wheezy I
> don't know, though.

pgrep -lU $USER

pkill -TERM -U $USER

pgrep -lU $USER

pkill -KILL -U $USER

Be universal. Don't depend on systemd for such easy task.

Reco


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 08:01:30 Gene Heskett wrote:
> C.E.T., Certified Electronics Technician, I am one, registered as
> NEB-118.  That card, dropped on the HR department desk when the
> department is looking to hire an electronics technician, raises eyebrows
> AND the salary that will be offered, considerably as it says the carrier
> of that card does know what he is talking about and can do the job.

Sorry, Gene.  What you say here may be true, but it means absolutely nothing 
to most of us on this list.  It still means nothing to me, I'm afraid.  You 
have the qualification required for the job you do.  So, I would think, have 
most of us.

Lisi


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Re: Debian and FQDN lookup

[Joe]

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 20:39:26 -0500
David Wright  wrote:


> 
> I think I/we ought to be using .local
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6762
> because this won't get onto the Internet.
> 

Really? I've seen an Exchange Server refuse mail from a BT server
because the latter identified itself with .local as tld in the HELO. BT
knows nothing about email.

But there's a certain amount of Microsofting going on here. A few
random machines in a private network don't have a 'domain', the term has
no meaning for them. It's not until the network runs a DNS server, or
provides some service across the Internet, that 'domain' and 'FQDN'
become meaningful. Even in the latter case, 'domain' applies only to
the external interface and to any network machines carrying public IP
addresses, and means nothing to machines behind NAT.

But MS have re-used the word 'domain' for their network security
system, which is really (nearly) a Kerberos realm. This causes endless
confusion in the MS world, which seems now to have spilled over. A
purely private MS DNS server, if given the same 'domain' name as the
real Internet domain of the owner, will make external domain resources
invisible to internal users. So the DNS server has to have external
resource names bodged into it by some means or other, which invariably
doesn't get documented properly, and breaks when an IP address
changes...

One or more workstations using an Active Directory server *must* have a
'domain', which need have no relationship with any Internet domain if
IP addressing is private. But a few random Linux (or other OS) machines
connecting to the Net through a NAT router have no use for 'domain'. I
would agree that this is difficult to convey in an installer screen,
but I would think that anyone who really needs to have a domain
specified for a workstation already knows that, and knows how to
organise it.

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Re: Jessie and /var

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Petter,

On 04/04/15 09:23, Petter Adsen wrote:
> I am preparing to set up Jessie on my home server today, with mdadm
> RAID and LVM. Even though I am using LVM, I want to get the volume
> sizes about right when I first set them up.
> 
> VM images and containers are stored under /var - is there anything else
> that systemd stores under /var that might take up enough space that I
> should be aware of when setting up?


why not mount a dedicated partition inside /var  for such usage ?
/var/local ?

Jerome

> 
> Petter
> 


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[OT] Use of language on this list was: Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 01:44:46 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent" (my
> > > > stars)
> > >
> > > No - it is another Gene special.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.
> >
> > The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the pond in
> > technical literature such as service manuals for at least 65 years that
> > I personally know of.
> >
> > A Common Language indeed. :)
>
> I must admit I'm getting fed up with having to keep
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/ open all the time for the likes of swag sob
> tbe pima vswr cf idk cet adat to quote a few. (And often there are *too
> many* matches for convenience.)

I failed on some of that!!

> English is my mother tongue, which helps,

No, I think it is a hindrance where Gene is concerned.  He simply refuses to 
communucate in the English that the rest of us talk.  And because it is our 
native tongue we expect to understand it.  A non-native speaker who couldn't 
understand, would accept it and (erroneously) put it down to his/her lack of 
knowledge of the language.

I think he takes some sort of pride in knowing all this abstruse language, and 
he certainly doesn't actually want to communicate.  I have to look vast 
amounts up in his emails, and I too am a native speaker.  Even after looking 
up, I often don't understand - or pick what he later claims was the wrong 
expansion of an acronym. I too am fed up with it.

Why can't he actually type out these awful jargon acronyms?  And avoid this 
extra abstruse vocabulary?  Because we might actually understand if he did, 
and writing stuff we can't understand seems to make him feel superior.

But this is the English language list,  Perhaps we should insist on a known 
dialect of English, that is spoken by more than one person.

Lisi

> but there are people here 
> for whom that is not the case.
>
> Cheers,
> David.


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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 00:34:53 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent" (my
> > > stars)
> >
> > No - it is another Gene special.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.
>
> The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the pond in
> **technical literature* such as service manuals for at least 65 
years that
> I personally know of.

That is NOT common language.  That is specialist language!
>
> A Common Language indeed. :)
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: OpenVPN doesn't restart after sleep

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 03/04/15 00:11, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Tony van der Hoff wrote:
>> I have OpenVPN on my KDE Wheezy laptop configured to connect to my
>> wheezy VPS. When booting from scratch this works fine.
> 
> Works for me too.  Note that I am not using KDE however.  Doesn't seem
> like that should matter.  Unless you are using some KDE specific
> network something.

Thanks for your prompt reply, Bob. I'm currently suffering from a
flu-like virus, and can't get my head round this, atm. Be assured that
I'll check out your suggestions, and report back soonest.

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Re: debian 8

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 01:26:35 +0800
Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 03/04/2015, Brian  wrote:
> > On Fri 03 Apr 2015 at 17:41:44 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> >
> >> What are the expected differences between Debian 7 and Debian 8?
> >>
> >> Will Debian 8, when released, provide the "GNOME Classic"
> >> interface?
> >
> > Would gnome-session-flashback suit you?
> >
> 
> I have no idea.
> 
> In searching for it, the web pages at
>  https://packages.debian.org/es/jessie/gnome-session-flashback
> and
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomePanel
> do not include screenshots, so I do not know of its appearance or
> implied functionality.
> 
> In Debian 6, with its GNOME 2 interface, I have, at the bottom of the
> screen, a taskbar below the panel, with the three menu types
> (Applications, Places,System) at the left end of the panel, and the
> system monitor applet to the left of the date and time at the right
> end of the panel.
> 
> I want to be able to reproduce that in Debian 7 and, Debian 8, if they
> have the functionality.

I would also warmly recommend Xfce[1], which I've been using for a long
time. It's much lighter on resources, is quite customizable, and
provides all the panels and applets you could ever wish for. MATE and
even Cinnamon might also be good choices for you, I believe both are to
some extent based on Gnome 2. Personally, I have never looked at MATE,
but I used Cinnamon for a short time a while back, and thought it was
quite nice.

Petter

[1] http://xfce.org/

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 03:15:15 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:39:46 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 12:25:01 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > I vaguely recall fighting with the partitioning stage at one point
> > > in the past but I think the 7.7 netinst I tried recently was much
> > > improved.
> > >
> > > There might be one particular step which is tripping Gene up, and
> > > once the "oh! duh! " moment passes, he'll be
> > > right.
> >
> > I would welcome that moment.
>
> I just need to ask, Gene, as you mentioned something about running a
> patched version of Wheezy for your machines - is it possible that they
> have somehow (badly) patched the installer to get a certain partition
> setup, and doesn't allow anything else?
>
> Petter

I'd have real serious doubts about that Petter, no reason to as LinuxCNC, 
other than needing the RTAI patched kernel for its I/O, can live happily 
with any common drive setup I have ever done over better than the last 
decade.  These guys, while fairly savvy with computers, are for the most 
part, Machinists first as thats what pays the bills. Given their 
druthers & spare time, or an itch to scratch, they would put their 
efforts into a better gui to run it with. Or running down bugs and 
fixing them.  Generally speaking, its been years since I have 
encountered a show stopper bug.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Debian 7 and Debian 8 and bootloader

[Pascal Hambourg]

Bret Busby a écrit :
> 
> It would be on a UEFI/GPT system, so the primary partitions are redundant.
> 
> With Linux, I generally have a / partition, a /swap partition, a /home
> partition, and data partitions, with the swap partition being shared
> between the Linux installations; as they are not running concurrently,
> I do not see a problem with the /swap partition being shared between
> them.

You will see the problem if you hibernate (suspend to disk) one
installation and reboot to another installation.

> On a UEFI system that does not allow the Dual system, and, does not
> allow for the Secure Boot option to be turned off within UEFI, I have
> to choose either UEFI or Legacy, and the Win 8 is booted via UEFI, and
> the Linux systems are booted via the Legacy option.

Yet another broken UEFI implementation. According to Microsoft
requirements, secure boot can be disabled on non-ARM platforms certified
for Windows 8.

However it may be possible to boot Debian with secure boot, see for
example .


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Re: A question about deleting a big file structure from a big disk in Jessie: Why does this work? I'm really worried.

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:01:26 -0600
Bob Proulx  wrote:
> It could also be that I was unlucky in my purchase of cheap USB disk
> enclosures.  Which is why I was careful to relate my experience but
> not cast blame.  Your experiences and others may very well be
> different!  You will have different hardware at the least.  That will
> make a big difference.  I encourage everyone to generate their own
> experience and collect and report the data from it.  It is obvious
> what I am thinking but that doesn't mean it is correct.  I am simply
> communicating in what I hope to be a helpful way.

I also have a USB disk enclosure, in which sits a 3,5" IDE-ATAPI drive,
encrypted with LUKS. It is a really cheap, no-name enclosure that I've
had for years, and so far I have had no problems with it.

Reading your previous mails make me a little worried, though. It is
only used as a sort of semi-online backup, that I connect when I run
the backup, but my main backups are on bluray-discs. Now I begin to
wonder if I should invest in another drive for backing up stuff, but I
would still want it to be removable.

That means I have to decide between eSATA and IEEE-1394 as interfaces.
Only this machine has eSATA, I think, while both machines I might want
to connect it to has Firewire. Which of these would be the best choice
from a technical standpoint, and do they work well with Linux? I'd
imagine eSATA would simply be seen as a SATA device?

Might it also be better to go with a little bit more expensive
enclosure?

Petter

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 02:43:47 Petter Adsen wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 20:29:04 -0400
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
>
> > Does this server take 2.5 megabyte pictures?  I'll take them with my
> > Nikon L100 camera as I go.  Thats the size of its usual jpeg output,
> > per picture.
>
> Gene,
>
> Please don't post a number of 2.5M pictures here if you can avoid it,
> even if the server allows it. Some people are on metered connections
> and such evils. It would be much better if you could use a
> pastebin-like service to upload them to, and then post the links. I
> believe imgur.com will let you do this, or you can use Dropbox if you
> have an account there.
>
> Petter

True, but then I also have my own web page (physically on this machine, 
last line of the signature) and can post them there far easier than some 
commercial service.  The disadvantage is the uplink speed.  Small, 2.5 
megabaud pipe.  Even the front page pix of me & the better half is 
smunched to give the impression of speed.  I'll use jigl to make a slide 
show thats well compressed.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 02:41:05 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/03/2015 10:52 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
[...]
> When he mentioned drives in a hot swap cage, isn't that RAID?? Then
> didn't the installer made the correct call? :/ Ric

No raid involved Ric, just 3 drives in a hot swap cage, tigerdirect.com 
did have them, about a $70 bill when I bought this one after Jim showed 
me that was what he was using in all his new builds at the tv station.

Here,   sda is the drive I am booted from, 
sdb is a previous install in case I need something that wasn't copied 
over
sdc is the virtual tape drive, playing like its 30 big backup tapes for 
amanda, the "Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver", the 
backup program.

If I Recall Correctly, available up to 6 drives wide in case you want a 
boot drive and a 5 drive raid.  Truely excellent drive cooling too.  
Mine stay under 100F full time.

If you'd like one, I suggest getting it now as the advent of Solid State 
Drives is probably making them obsolete in the Chinese makers view.

But the hot swap has never been tested, I always power down.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Jessie and /var

[Petter Adsen]

I am preparing to set up Jessie on my home server today, with mdadm
RAID and LVM. Even though I am using LVM, I want to get the volume
sizes about right when I first set them up.

VM images and containers are stored under /var - is there anything else
that systemd stores under /var that might take up enough space that I
should be aware of when setting up?

Petter

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 13:39:46 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Friday 03 April 2015 12:25:01 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > I vaguely recall fighting with the partitioning stage at one point
> > in the past but I think the 7.7 netinst I tried recently was much
> > improved.
> >
> > There might be one particular step which is tripping Gene up, and
> > once the "oh! duh! " moment passes, he'll be right.
> 
> I would welcome that moment.

I just need to ask, Gene, as you mentioned something about running a
patched version of Wheezy for your machines - is it possible that they
have somehow (badly) patched the installer to get a certain partition
setup, and doesn't allow anything else?

Petter

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Re: was firefox-37, where to put now moving home partition

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 04 April 2015 02:33:00 Ric Moore wrote:
> On 04/03/2015 10:35 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Is booting with the single option on the kernels command line
> > insufficient for this scenario?
>
> Gene, when you first boot, boot into rescue mode and login as root.
> now /home is nicely idle, after you have installed the 3rd new drive
> and have partitioned it. Now, let's assume it is now drive sdc with a
> 1 and 2 partitions and you have formated them both with ext4. edit
> your /etc/fstab file to add:
> /dev/sdc1   /newopt ext4
> /dev/sdc2   /newhome ext4
> .and save it.
>
> now type mount newopt
> and mount /newhome
> cd /
> cp -raf /home /newhome  and take a nap
> then cp -raf /opt /newopt  then mow the lawn
> When all done edit /etc/fstab again and change /newhome to /home and
> /newopt to /opt. Remove any other references to your previous /opt and
> or /home if you have them... save it and reboot. Voila! You should be
> using the new partitions. Just type df to have a look-see. To regain
> the old space, boot into rescue mode again as root, AFTER you are
> happy with the result, cd into / and umount /home. The old home should
> auto-magically appear. Type df to be sure. rm -rf the sucker. umount
> /opt , type df again as insurance, and do the same thing. You will
> have regained a bunch of space. Reboot and login as your user and find
> /home and /opt using the new drive since fstab told your system what
> to use and where. Type df in a terminal. All should be good. :) Ric
>
> p/s cp -raf will recursively copy all subdirectories and maintain file
> attributes and ownership. If that drive is the second harddrive then
> it will be referenced as sdb, so you will have sdb1 and sdb2 entries
> in /etc/fstab  God only knows what you will do with two terabyte /home
> and /opt partitions!
>
> p/p/s Wait until I get some critique here, just in case I have
> misspoke! But that should be basically correct.
>
Sounds about right Ric. If I can remember ny root password.  But on a new 
install, I'd login as me, and sudo -i.  No root pw has been set at that 
point.
>
> --
> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Petter Adsen]

On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:30:45 -0400
The Wanderer  wrote:
> Not necessarily as easy as you might think. You'd need to be careful
> to make sure that nothing got autostarted (or left running on logout)
> which would try to access files under /home/*/ - and though I don't
> know of anything offhand which would necessarily do that, I wouldn't
> want to assume that nothing would.

If you are running Jessie, you can use "loginctl terminate-user USER",
and if there is anything left, "loginctl kill-user USER". For Wheezy I
don't know, though.

Just my 2 cents :)

Petter

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Re: firefox-37, where to put

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 03 April 2015 20:44:46 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 18:09:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 03 April 2015 22:39:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Sorry Brian, that is ***generally*** shorthand for "equivalent"
> > > > (my stars)
> > >
> > > No - it is another Gene special.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Two great countries, Lisi, separated by a common language.
> >
> > The abbreviation 'equ' has been in common use on this side of the
> > pond in technical literature such as service manuals for at least 65
> > years that I personally know of.
> >
> > A Common Language indeed. :)
>
> I must admit I'm getting fed up with having to keep
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/ open all the time for the likes of 

 swag, a Scientific Wild Assed Guess, usually somewhat more valid than a 
WAG, but its still a Guess. ;-)

 sob, has 2 aliases, "signed off by full name" on the linux kernel 
  mailing list's or more commonly "son of a female dog"

 tbe, To Be Exact

 pima, same as PITA but its "My" instead of "The"

 vswr, Voltage Standing Wave Ratio, mathematically describes the ratio of 
power going out verses the amount of power coming back as measured in 
the voltage domain, usually refered to in the scenario of an antenna or 
tramsmission line or both combined.  The ideal but virtually never 
accomplished ratio would be 1/1. In broadcasting scenarios, a 1.05/1 
ratio usually initiates a protective shutdown. In Ultra High Frequency 
broadcasting on channel 19, thats not good enough because of 
transmission line loses, which make it look better than it is on the 
ground where the measuring facilities are. In bad weather, with 30 
kilowatts of power at the bottom of a 1000 foot run of 6.125 inch 
diameter rigid coaxial transmission line, that has started a fire inside 
the line at the top of the tower, and burned up all the teflon in 660 
feet of transmission line before it tripped. By the time the tower crew 
has cleaned it up, replaced the burned up teflon and packed up to go 
home, it can be north of $50,000 AND 3 weeks off the air.

 cf, cluster f--k. No idea where it originated, but common in these here 
parts for decades.

 idk, I Don't Know

 C.E.T., Certified Electronics Technician, I am one, registered as 
NEB-118.  That card, dropped on the HR department desk when the 
department is looking to hire an electronics technician, raises eyebrows 
AND the salary that will be offered, considerably as it says the carrier 
of that card does know what he is talking about and can do the job.

 ADAT, brand name and format for a very high quality digital audio tape 
recorder, used in mastering music for the final recording and editing 
before making the audio cd's by the millions. 4.5 digit pricy, so you 
won't find one in the average home recording studio. With the 
availability of DAW's, "Digital Audio Workstation's" for a $200 or $300 
card in your computer and a planetccrm linux install that costs 10% of 
the price of the ADAT, the ADAT is now quite old & rare technology.

> to quote a few. (And often there are
> *too many* matches for convenience.)
>
> English is my mother tongue, which helps, but there are people here
> for whom that is not the case.

Also very true, so I will attempt to reduce my use of the "jargon" of the 
trade. On this list...

> Cheers,
> David.

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