Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[David Wright]

On Wed 24 Apr 2019 at 22:07:33 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/24/2019 08:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
> > Richard Owlett  wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
> > > 1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
> > > 2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
> > >  to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
> > >  default installer}
> > > 
> > > My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a
> > > minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended
> > > packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages
> > > after the fact is unaesthetic.
> > 
> > If you intend on using MATE or for that matter, any desktop
> > environment, you're not going to get a VERY minimal install. Or even a
> > small install.  I suggest you go with just a window manager.  That's
> > what I did first with Wheezy, then Stretch.
> > 
> > Start with a clean terminal only system, then add X or enough of it to
> > make things work, the window manager, etc. until you've got what you
> > want. Add the applications and utilities that you need.  More work, but
> > you do get a small, efficient system without all the crap an
> > apt-get install MATE would get.
> > 
> 
> No thanks. I wish "...my personal take on a minimal MATE desktop".

Of course you do.

> MATE has features I do not wish to reinvent. There currently exists a
> potential audience for this of EXACTLY one. There are personal goals
> that I won't go into ;}

If you won't reveal your goal, then the help you get here will consist
of handing you information on silver platters so that you don't have
to "fend for yourself".

BTW I agree with Georgios: if you don't install the "Recommends",
you may find that you don't get the functionality you expect.
The only thing guaranteed by installing the "Depends" is that
all the function calls will point at some runnable code rather than
just pointing into thin air.

Cheers,
David.

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[David Wright]

On Wed 24 Apr 2019 at 14:29:00 (-0400), Lee wrote:
> On 4/24/19, David Wright  wrote:
> > [I presume that replying only to me was a mistake.]
> 
> Nope, responding to your "my /etc/hosts file has ~14000 lines" didn't
> seem all that germane to the thread.  & not that this is either, but
> if you'd prefer to keep it on the list I don't mind.

The OP posted a startup problem. Later they stated that their main
concern was the time taken to open pages, as quoted immediately
below. My 14000 line /etc/hosts is installed with the main purpose
of speeding up page rendering. So was using Opera, but I found it
had this major startup problem.

> > On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 10:38:41 (-0400), Lee wrote:
> >> On 4/22/19, David Wright  wrote:
> >> > On Sun 21 Apr 2019 at 20:30:53 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> >> >> From: David Wright 
> >> >> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:13:11 -0500
> >> >> > Does the behaviour reported in your OP cause you *great* concern?
> >> >>
> >> >> No.  Just wastes time.  Opening a simple local HTML home page requires
> >> >> roughly a minute rather than roughly a second.
> >> >
> >> > I tend to forget that, because my /etc/hosts file has ~14000 lines,
> >> > pages appear a lot faster here.
> >>
> >> Have you looked at bind's dns rpz?
> >
> > Just now.
> >
> >>   http://zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/rpz.html
> >> It lets you do things like
> >> *.2o7.net   CNAME   .
> >> *.doubleclick.net   CNAME   .
> >>
> >> to block entire domains instead of having to list each and every
> >> hostname in the domain.
> >>
> >> And you can log what is blocked/allowed to make troubleshooting easier
> >
> > It might be a good *mechanism* for the diversion itself, but AFAICT
> > it's aimed at the *policy* implementers rather than the end-user.
> 
> Just out of curiosity - do you think pi-hole is aimed at policy
> implementers or end users?

I don't know about their policies, or whether they have any. I've not
found any description of how you would configure it, only how you
install it. Do they provide blacklists?

It's also not clear to me where I should install it to. My router
uses the Google nameservers, and all my machines have the router
as their nameserver. The router is the only part of the network
that's always up and running.

But let me explain what I mean by those terms I used earlier:

Mechanism: Any method of modifying the result of trying to resolve
foo.bar to an IP address, irrespective of the specific domainnames
which somebody has to give to it. My mechanism is resolving to
localhost.

Policy implementers: The people who make the decisions about which
domainnames should have their resolution modified. If you look
through the reference I gave for the source of my /etc/hosts, you
can see their policies listed as comments bracketing the sections,
and they are:

  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #<2o7-sites>
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #
  #

End-users: The people whose browsing experience are improved by
the policies selected, and implemented using the chosen mechanism.

> > The value I get from Dan Pollock is the list of sites rather than the
> > most elegant mechanism for handling that list. Looking at the comments
> > in the list, and by comparing evolving versions, it does appear that
> > Dan actively "opens holes" where people report interference or
> > difficulties using certain legitimate sites.
> >
> > Finally, I wouldn't know where to start to compile a list of sites
> > like that.
> 
> https://dnsrpz.info/
> If you're a business, you can buy access to an rpz feed.

I'm not, but I take it that different feeds have different policies on
which sites to include, and come at different prices.

> If you're a [home?] network admin it's simple enough to enable logging
> & see what all is allowed that you'd rather have blocked.  And/or grab
> things like Dan Pollock's list and turn them into an rpz file.

Frankly, I don't want to be bothered with processing the list.

And, of course, logging a site means that you must have already
encountered it, which defeats the object of having those "shock
sites" listed: the point is not to see them at all.

> I just
> don't like the size & the churn in curated host files - I'd rather
> have a single line
> *.advertisingdomain.tld
> and have them all blocked vs. the maybe hundreds of lines blocking
> each specific host.

I can see that one or two sections of Dan's list could be factorized
into a *.foo.bar pattern, but as compressing the file only gives 75%
reduction, there are still a lot of sites to be fed into whichever
mechanism you choose for resolving/diverting them.

And finally, I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned in this thread,
but there's a reason I wrote "Does the behaviour reported in your OP
cause you *great* concern?". I should then have 

Mysterious ssh-agent session

[Aidan Gauland]

While troubleshooting my ssh-agent setup, I discovered that an extra
ssh-agent instance was running, and I have no idea what is starting this.

What I want is to have ssh-agent run as a systemd user service
(following the instructions at
),
but the other instance is interfering.  Here is where it is in the
process tree (via htop):

 1756  ├─ /lib/systemd/systemd --user
31808  │  ├─ /usr/lib/flatpak/flatpak-session-helper
26143  │  ├─ /usr/lib/dconf/dconf-service
22233  │  ├─ /usr/bin/dunst
22204  │  ├─ /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
22187  │  ├─ /usr/lib/flatpak/xdg-permission-store
22184  │  ├─ /usr/lib/flatpak/xdg-document-portal
22180  │  ├─ /usr/lib/xdg-desktop-portal/xdg-desktop-portal
21243  │  ├─ /usr/bin/dirmngr --supervised
18747  │  ├─ /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash [snip]
18672  │  ├─ /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
18534  │  ├─ /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-metadata
 5759  │  ├─ /usr/bin/gpg-agent --supervised
 1934  │  ├─ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gconf/gconfd-2
 1856  │  ├─ /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd
 1849  │  ├─ /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session
 1835  │  ├─ /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi-bus-launcher
 1847  │  │  └─ /usr/bin/dbus-daemon [snip]
 1790  │  ├─ /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
 1932  │  │  └─ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pulse/gconf-helper
 1771  │  ├─ /usr/bin/dbus-daemon [snip]
 1762  │  ├─ /usr/bin/ssh-agent -t 2m -D -a /run/user/1000/ssh-agent.socket
 1761  │  ├─ /usr/bin/mpd --no-daemon
 1757  │  └─ (sd-pam)
 1763  │  │  └─ i3
 1876  │  │ ├─ /usr/bin/ssh-agent i3
 1833  │  │ ├─
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
 1832  │  │ └─ clipit

(The ssh-agent instance with PID 1762 is the one I want; PID 1876 is the
unwanted instance.)

I need to know how to either
  a) disable the instance started under "(sd-pam)", so I can use my
 systemd user service, or
  b) configure the instance started under "(sd-pam)", and use that
 instead of my system user service.

I am using lightdm to start X, and my session is the i3 WM.  In case
it's relevant, I also start
/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 in my
~/.xsessionrc file.  I am running Debian 9.8 on x86_64.

Thanks,
Aidan Gauland

flagi fstab przy jfs

[Omnis Moriar]

witam jakie flagi fstab ustawić przy systemie plików jfs ???

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[David Wright]

On Wed 24 Apr 2019 at 16:20:21 (+), der.hans wrote:
> Am 24. Apr, 2019 schwätzte David Wright so:
> > On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 18:15:03 (+), der.hans wrote:

[I agree with you replies, snipped]

> > > I currently run different browser instances for different tasks I want to
> > > isolate.
> > 
> > I'm not sure how to stop different browser commands jumping into an
> > existing browser instance. I presume there are ways, but I find it
> > simpler to just use different users.
> 
> Do you mean when an application launches a browser?

Yes. Usually I start a browser with a bash function as posted
earlier. Sometimes I use a bash function to open a Tab, even
where I could have done it with a corresponding bookmark.

But sometimes I'd start FF by pressing Return on an HTML in mc.
However, for a long time I've closed that off by having mc call
up lynx with localhost or w3m with -dump. Similarly, mutt only
uses lynx in the same manner.

But when I had used FF in such situations, the page always found a
running instance of FF (appropriate to the user concerned).

> I haven't found a way to specify the default browser for external apps.
> That would be useful.

If I'm understanding you, I think this came up here recently: the
links /etc/alternatives/{gnome-,x-,}www-browser should point to
the appropriate binary.

> > Interesting stuff: perhaps the making of a wiki.
> 
> I'm way behind on creating documentation.
> 
> I'll add that to my list of things for an upcoming trip.

You're very public-spirited.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 08:11 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:


I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
 to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
 default installer}

My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a
minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended
packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages
after the fact is unaesthetic.


If you intend on using MATE or for that matter, any desktop
environment, you're not going to get a VERY minimal install. Or even a
small install.  I suggest you go with just a window manager.  That's
what I did first with Wheezy, then Stretch.

Start with a clean terminal only system, then add X or enough of it to
make things work, the window manager, etc. until you've got what you
want. Add the applications and utilities that you need.  More work, but
you do get a small, efficient system without all the crap an
apt-get install MATE would get.



No thanks. I wish "...my personal take on a minimal MATE desktop".
MATE has features I do not wish to reinvent. There currently exists a 
potential audience for this of EXACTLY one. There are personal goals 
that I won't go into ;}

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Patrick Bartek]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
> 1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
> 2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
> to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
> default installer}
> 
> My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a 
> minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended 
> packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages 
> after the fact is unaesthetic.

If you intend on using MATE or for that matter, any desktop
environment, you're not going to get a VERY minimal install. Or even a
small install.  I suggest you go with just a window manager.  That's
what I did first with Wheezy, then Stretch.

Start with a clean terminal only system, then add X or enough of it to
make things work, the window manager, etc. until you've got what you
want. Add the applications and utilities that you need.  More work, but
you do get a small, efficient system without all the crap an
apt-get install MATE would get.

> [snip]

B

Re: PREZYDENT Debiana na Polskę Milczarski von

[Norbert Kiszka]

W dniu 25.04.2019, czw o godzinie 01∶17 +0200, użytkownik Omnis Moriar
napisał:
> Witam czy chcielibyście aby prezydent debiana na Polskę coś ogłosił w
> świecie debiana ??? Np narodziny Heliozofii która będzie znana do
> końca istnienia tej planety ??
> 
> https://omnismoriar1.wixsite.com/non1
> 
> czy ktoś może mi pomóc w błędzie make w kompilacjii kernela 5
> 
> /bin/sh: 1: [: -eq: unexpected operator
> /bin/sh: 1: [: -eq: unexpected operator
> == making target debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf [new prereqs:
> ]==
> make EXTRAVERSION=-jack   ARCH=x86_64 \
>                     oldconfig;
> make[2]: Wejście do katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
> Makefile:1530: *** tylko jedno 'else' w wyrażeniu warunkowym. Stop.
> make[2]: Opuszczenie katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
> debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:194: polecenia dla obiektu
> 'debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf' nie powiodły się
> make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf] Błąd 2
> make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
> /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:93: polecenia dla
> obiektu 'debian/stamp/conf/minimal_debian' nie powiodły się
> make: *** [debian/stamp/conf/minimal_debian] Błąd 2
> Failed to create a ./debian directory:  at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line
> 970.
> 

Tu masz klucz do rozwiązania problemu z całego powyższego komunikatu:

> Makefile:1530: *** tylko jedno 'else' w wyrażeniu warunkowym. Stop.

I być może:

> /bin/sh: 1: [: -eq: unexpected operator


Zapewne jakaś literówka - trzeba zajrzeć do kodu, poprawić, sprawdzić i
poinformować deweloperów.

PREZYDENT Debiana na Polskę Milczarski von

[Omnis Moriar]

Witam czy chcielibyście aby prezydent debiana na Polskę coś ogłosił w
świecie debiana ??? Np narodziny Heliozofii która będzie znana do końca
istnienia tej planety ??

https://omnismoriar1.wixsite.com/non1

czy ktoś może mi pomóc w błędzie make w kompilacjii kernela 5

/bin/sh: 1: [: -eq: unexpected operator
/bin/sh: 1: [: -eq: unexpected operator
== making target debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf [new prereqs: ]==
make EXTRAVERSION=-jack   ARCH=x86_64 \
oldconfig;
make[2]: Wejście do katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
Makefile:1530: *** tylko jedno 'else' w wyrażeniu warunkowym. Stop.
make[2]: Opuszczenie katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
debian/ruleset/targets/common.mk:194: polecenia dla obiektu
'debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf' nie powiodły się
make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/conf/kernel-conf] Błąd 2
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu '/usr/src/linux-5.0.9'
/usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:93: polecenia dla obiektu
'debian/stamp/conf/minimal_debian' nie powiodły się
make: *** [debian/stamp/conf/minimal_debian] Błąd 2
Failed to create a ./debian directory:  at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 970.

Re : [HS-encore-que] merge pdf sur mutu ovh

[k6dedijon]

Bonjour F
Connais-tu ces autres outils ?
PDF Chain
PDF-Shuffler
pdfsam
PDF Mod

Il peut y en avoir un qui fonctionne dans ton environnement.
Bonne découverte
Cassis




- Mail d'origine -
De: fab 
À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
Envoyé: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 21:45:55 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: [HS-encore-que] merge pdf sur mutu ovh

salut la liste,

J'ai un soucis pour concaténer des pdf sur un mutualisé ovh sur lequel 
je ne peux pas utiliser ni pdftk, ni pdfunite.
* pdftk car il lui faut java
* pdfunite car le binaire que j'ai recopié sur mon hébergement ne 
fonctionne pas.

J'ai donc utilisé une librairie php pour lire tous les pdf et en recréer 
un gros. Mais dans l'affaire, je perds tous les liens http présents dans 
chacun des pdf. Bref, pas glop.

Et puis je préférerai utiliser des outils "simples" de bricolage de pdf.

Avez-vous une piste vers laquelle m'aiguiller ?

merki ;)

f.

Re: Synaptic error message -- how to respond

[Mark Allums]

On 4/24/19 4:42 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/24/2019 03:42 PM, Thomas D Dial wrote:

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 10:42 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have repeatedly received the following error message:

E: galternatives: package is in a very bad inconsistent state;
you should  reinstall it before attempting configuration


I don't recall what triggered it last week. Today I wanted to install
"apt-rdepends" which displayed the above error message. I closed the
message window. The box next to apt-rdepends was colored green
indicating it had been successfully installed. I did a test run of it
and got reasonably looking output.

I attempt to reinstall "galternatives" and receive:

E: /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb:
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
galternatives


What should I do next?


Look carefully at everything from the

"apt install --reinstall galternatives"

command to the end of the output from it. It shouldn't be all that long
but is likely to have diagnostic information you can use to identify and
correct the problem. If that doesn't clarify it enough, post the output,
  all of it. Many of us have seen install failures from time to time and
given enough output might have suggestions. Exit code from a script
bundled in the .deb file is too generic to be useful by itself.

Regards,
Tom Dial



Where the error is is fairly clear. But what to do about is not.
My interpretation is there a problem with the repository.

Not being sure how short the output would be I saved the output to a file.

My terminal session:

richard@fromdell:~$ su
Password: root@fromdell:/home/richard# apt install --reinstall 
galternatives > diagnostic


WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in 
scripts.


E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
root@fromdell:/home/richard#


The contents of file "diagnostic" is:

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 251 not 
upgraded.

3 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0 B/148 kB of archives.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
(Reading database ... 

(Reading database ... 5%
(Reading database ... 10%

[snip repetitive info]
(Reading database ... 90%
(Reading database ... 95%
(Reading database ... 100%
(Reading database ... 176998 files and directories currently installed.)


Preparing to unpack .../galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb ...



  File "/usr/bin/pyclean", line 63



    except (IOError, OSError), e:



 ^



SyntaxError: invalid syntax


dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit 
status 1



dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...



  File "/usr/bin/pyclean", line 63



    except (IOError, OSError), e:



 ^



SyntaxError: invalid syntax


dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb 
(--unpack):



 subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1



Traceback (most recent call last):



  File "/usr/bin/pycompile", line 35, in 



    from debpython.version import SUPPORTED, debsorted, vrepr, \



  File "/usr/share/python/debpython/version.py", line 24, in 



    from ConfigParser import SafeConfigParser



ImportError: No module named 'ConfigParser'



dpkg: error while cleaning up:


 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit 
status 1



Errors were encountered while processing:



 /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb



I see the error message but do not know what to do.
Thanks for pointers.



Try rearranging your python(s) in your PATH.  I.e., swap py2 with py3.

Or possibly your py3 version needs to be downgraded.

Something about your python versions.

Mark

Re: duvida wget

[Humberto A. Sousa]

Baixa tudo e direciona > null

Saudações,



Humberto Araujo de Sousa
humbe...@dontec.com.br

Em 24/04/2019 12:24, Francisco M Neto escreveu:

Tentei aqui e ele reclamou que só pode fazer recursivo se o output for um
arquivo normal. Se você não precisar baixar o site inteiro, tenta usar sem o -r.
Se não, faz o output pra um arquivo temporário depois apaga o arquivo...

Da próxima vez, manda o output do seu comando, ajuda com as repostas

Francisco

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 13:42 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:

Não deu certo com o -O

Utilizo para testar sites que hospedamos.

Em 24/04/2019 06:19, Francisco M Neto escreveu:

Bom dia

Não sei pra quê alguém faria isso, mas

$ man wget

mostra que a opção -O é o que você está procurando.

Francisco

On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 19:28 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:

Como usar o wget para baixar um site e não salvar o conteudo dele no
hd?
estou usando o comando abaixo e não esta dando certo.

wget --limit-rate=5k -qr www.site.com.br &> /dev/null

Re: Synaptic error message -- how to respond

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 03:42 PM, Thomas D Dial wrote:

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 10:42 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have repeatedly received the following error message:

E: galternatives: package is in a very bad inconsistent state;
you should  reinstall it before attempting configuration


I don't recall what triggered it last week. Today I wanted to install
"apt-rdepends" which displayed the above error message. I closed the
message window. The box next to apt-rdepends was colored green
indicating it had been successfully installed. I did a test run of it
and got reasonably looking output.

I attempt to reinstall "galternatives" and receive:

E: /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb:
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
galternatives


What should I do next?


Look carefully at everything from the

"apt install --reinstall galternatives"

command to the end of the output from it. It shouldn't be all that long
but is likely to have diagnostic information you can use to identify and
correct the problem. If that doesn't clarify it enough, post the output,
  all of it. Many of us have seen install failures from time to time and
given enough output might have suggestions. Exit code from a script
bundled in the .deb file is too generic to be useful by itself.

Regards,
Tom Dial



Where the error is is fairly clear. But what to do about is not.
My interpretation is there a problem with the repository.

Not being sure how short the output would be I saved the output to a file.

My terminal session:

richard@fromdell:~$ su
Password: 
root@fromdell:/home/richard# apt install --reinstall galternatives > diagnostic


WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
root@fromdell:/home/richard#


The contents of file "diagnostic" is:

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
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  File "/usr/bin/pyclean", line 63



except (IOError, OSError), e:



 ^



SyntaxError: invalid syntax



dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1



dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ...



  File "/usr/bin/pyclean", line 63



except (IOError, OSError), e:



 ^



SyntaxError: invalid syntax



dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb (--unpack):



 subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1



Traceback (most recent call last):



  File "/usr/bin/pycompile", line 35, in 



from debpython.version import SUPPORTED, debsorted, vrepr, \



  File "/usr/share/python/debpython/version.py", line 24, in 



from ConfigParser import SafeConfigParser



ImportError: No module named 'ConfigParser'



dpkg: error while cleaning up:



 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1



Errors were encountered while processing:



 /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb



I see the error message but do not know what to do.
Thanks for pointers.

Re: Synaptic error message -- how to respond

[Thomas D Dial]

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 10:42 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have repeatedly received the following error message:
> > E: galternatives: package is in a very bad inconsistent state;
> > you should  reinstall it before attempting configuration
> 
> I don't recall what triggered it last week. Today I wanted to install 
> "apt-rdepends" which displayed the above error message. I closed the 
> message window. The box next to apt-rdepends was colored green 
> indicating it had been successfully installed. I did a test run of it 
> and got reasonably looking output.
> 
> I attempt to reinstall "galternatives" and receive:
> > E: /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb:
> > subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
> > galternatives
> 
> What should I do next?

Look carefully at everything from the 

"apt install --reinstall galternatives"

command to the end of the output from it. It shouldn't be all that long
but is likely to have diagnostic information you can use to identify and
correct the problem. If that doesn't clarify it enough, post the output,
 all of it. Many of us have seen install failures from time to time and
given enough output might have suggestions. Exit code from a script
bundled in the .deb file is too generic to be useful by itself.

Regards,
Tom Dial

> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> 

Progress - was [Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)]

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 02:31 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 04/24/2019 01:10 PM, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:
[snip]

My base setup was installed by doing
    apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
    apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic

All it lacks is internet connectivity.
I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a
modem (WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it
appears eth2 on Network Manager Applet.

I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger
the "connecting" icon.


It works now ;/
I suspect the problem was not having logged-out/logged-in after 
installing network-manager-gnome.




How do I determine what else I need to install?
[Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
TIA




Difficult to say without knowing what you don't have.


Agreed 


Can you specify an 'automatic' connection with Network Manager?


I don't know yet. I've just brought up 4 URLs that the wiki says I 
should read. I had expected the icon for Network Manager Applet to 
appear on MATE's Panel. It does not.



If not, you probably need dhcpcd.


That's not my problem. It is not present on install DVD 1.
Also on the full install I have on the same machine none of the dhcpcd 
modules listed by Synaptic are installed.



NM gains abilities according to what helper programs are
available.



I have some reading to do.


The reading clued me in ;}


Thank you.

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 02:41 PM, mick crane wrote:

On 2019-04-24 18:36, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
   to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
   default installer}


Not sure if you want small Debian is the place to start. Debian is I 
think when you want reliability.
Think how it works is you want to build your own kernel with just the 
bits you need for your hardware and then install the software that you 
want from source.
You can get tiny distributions, Slitax is 32 Mb or something and the 
System Rescue CDs have the useful software.

All depends what the end result you want is.
mick



I could have phrased it differently.
I'm looking for what I consider to be a minimal *Debian* install.
When I first got interested in Linux, I  had looked at projects such as 
"Linux From Scratch". I chose to go with Debian instead in the interest 
of productivity. But I do have the mindset appropriate to LFS.


BTW I'm of the CPM-80 era when 64k RAM and 10MB disk was ~= infinity. 
Also had an 8k Personal Electronic Transactor with mass storage on audio 
cassette.

Consulta sobre squid+dansguardian+iptables

[Armando Victor Corona Ramos]

Saludos amigos.

hoy traigo otra duda que me gustaria me ayudaran a resolver.

resulta que tengo instalado squid+dansguardian+iptables
siguiendo un tutorial me dicen que hay que aplicarle una regla nat al
iptables para que permita al dansguardian trabajar.

esta es la regla:
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 3128 -j REDIRECT
--to-port 8080

el squid esta trabajando en la interface eth0 con ip 10.10.10.1 y
funciona bien. Ahora, una vez que aplico la regla del iptables, el
squid no deja de pedir la autenticacion, si la cancelo, entonces no me
deja navegar.

Me recomiendan que ponga el dansguardian como hijo de squid o que aplique
en el dansguardian el plugins, para la autenticación que uso. He buscado en
internet, leido manuales y no encuentro respuesta.

pudieran ayudarme??

desde ya muchas gracias

[HS-encore-que] merge pdf sur mutu ovh

[fab]

salut la liste,

J'ai un soucis pour concaténer des pdf sur un mutualisé ovh sur lequel 
je ne peux pas utiliser ni pdftk, ni pdfunite.

* pdftk car il lui faut java
* pdfunite car le binaire que j'ai recopié sur mon hébergement ne 
fonctionne pas.


J'ai donc utilisé une librairie php pour lire tous les pdf et en recréer 
un gros. Mais dans l'affaire, je perds tous les liens http présents dans 
chacun des pdf. Bref, pas glop.


Et puis je préférerai utiliser des outils "simples" de bricolage de pdf.

Avez-vous une piste vers laquelle m'aiguiller ?

merki ;)

f.

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[mick crane]

On 2019-04-24 18:36, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
   to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
   default installer}


Not sure if you want small Debian is the place to start. Debian is I 
think when you want reliability.
Think how it works is you want to build your own kernel with just the 
bits you need for your hardware and then install the software that you 
want from source.
You can get tiny distributions, Slitax is 32 Mb or something and the 
System Rescue CDs have the useful software.

All depends what the end result you want is.
mick

--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Brian]

On Wed 24 Apr 2019 at 12:36:29 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
> 1. small size in and of itself is a good goal

Not at all. There has to be an objective, a goal. For example, a thin
client with only 1Gb of space which is intended to perform a particular
set of tasks. A small installation is, of itself, of little importance.

> 2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
>to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
>default installer}

You can only fend for yourself within the constaints imposed by the
installer packaging system. You seem to think the standard system
utilities are part of your "minimal". They are not part of mine. There
is something to educate yourself on. They are not needed.

> My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a minimal
> MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended packages clash
> with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages after the fact is
> unaesthetic.
> 
> My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my minimalist
> install. I had done a standard install without specifying any GUI or extra
> packages.
> 
> My base setup was installed by doing
>   apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop

That's a base *minimal* setup? Any task-* package is intended to provide
the fullest installation possible, even with --no-install-recommends.

>   apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic
> 
> All it lacks is internet connectivity.
> I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a modem (WiFi
> is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it appears eth2 on
> Network Manager Applet.
> 
> I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome

This is really what your post is about. I switched off when a decidedly
non-minimal package was mentioned. That's all apart from crippling the
use of a wireless connection.

> The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger the
> "connecting" icon.

That's not the problem.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 01:10 PM, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:


I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
 to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
 default installer}

My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a
minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended
packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending
packages after the fact is unaesthetic.

My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my
minimalist install. I had done a standard install without specifying
any GUI or extra packages.

My base setup was installed by doing
apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic

All it lacks is internet connectivity.
I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a
modem (WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it
appears eth2 on Network Manager Applet.

I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger
the "connecting" icon.

How do I determine what else I need to install?
[Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
TIA




Difficult to say without knowing what you don't have.


Agreed 


Can you specify an 'automatic' connection with Network Manager?


I don't know yet. I've just brought up 4 URLs that the wiki says I 
should read. I had expected the icon for Network Manager Applet to 
appear on MATE's Panel. It does not.



If not, you probably need dhcpcd.


That's not my problem. It is not present on install DVD 1.
Also on the full install I have on the same machine none of the dhcpcd 
modules listed by Synaptic are installed.



NM gains abilities according to what helper programs are
available.



I have some reading to do.
Thank you.

Re: Debian Stretch : LibreOffice a une apparence douteuse et la fenêtre "caractères spéciaux" est inutilisable

[Bruno Volpi]

peux-tu préciser déplorable , une copie d'écran serait bien,  ainsi que 
les info sur libre office :


ex pour moi :

/*Version: 6.1.5.2
Build ID: 1:6.1.5-2
Threads CPU : 8; OS : Linux 4.19; UI Render : par défaut; VCL: gtk3_kde5;
Locale : fr-FR (fr_FR.UTF-8); Calc: group threaded*/

je suis sur Buster Kde et tout semble bien fonctionner. excepter le fait 
que j'ai 2 fois le menu.



Le 24/04/2019 à 17:47, Nicolas FRANCOIS a écrit :

Bonjour.

J'ai installé la dernière version de LibreOffice (6 quelque chose) sur
l'ordinateur de ma femme. J'ai (elle a) deux soucis :
1) l'apparence des fenêtres de l'application est déplorable, on dirait
un vieux toolkit Xwindow de base, et je ne sais pas comment
l'améliorer. Sur la fenêtre "À propos", je vois que l'UI renderer
utilisé est Gtk3. Y a-t-il des paquets à installer pour améliorer
l'apparence ?
2) Lorsqu'elle veut insérer un caractère spécial, la fenêtre s'ouvre
avec des cases énormes, elle voit quelques lignes, et en gros ne
peut pas trouver ce qu'elle cherche. Et ça l'énerve beaucoup. Donc
elle s'énerve sur moi, parce que je ne trouve pas la solution...
Vous avez une idée ?

D'avance merci. Je suis à votre disposition pour tout renseignement
complémentaire.

\bye

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/24/2019 12:54 PM, Georgios wrote:

My minimal install include just installing standard system utilities.


I believe I accomplished that.


I build my system after that without the use of --no-install-recommends.
Its better to install recommended packages for full functionality of the
installed packages.(Just my opinion)


No major disagreement there. However, quoting myself:

fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
default installer}


My typical install is to accept everything. But this particular install 
is explicitly for investigating the other end of the spectrum. In the 
past I have done as many as a dozen full installs to investigate 
parameters of current interest.

I am retired, one of my hobbies might be said to be installing Debian ;}



ps. Im using xfce and i usually pick the packages i need.


I'm intentionally being a little more extreme.



ps2.Find your network hardware and see if it needs firmware installed.


I know it does not require a proprietary driver.
It is a USB device compatible with both Windows and Debian. My 
experience is that Debian initially sees it as a "disk" and then the 
software handling general USB devices downloads "something" from the 
device. After that it "just works" ;/




Check you
On 4/24/19 8:36 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
    to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
    default installer}

My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a
minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended
packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages
after the fact is unaesthetic.

My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my minimalist
install. I had done a standard install without specifying any GUI or
extra packages.

My base setup was installed by doing
   apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
   apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic

All it lacks is internet connectivity.
I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a modem
(WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it appears
eth2 on Network Manager Applet.

I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger the
"connecting" icon.

How do I determine what else I need to install?
[Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
TIA

métro passage Charles Dallery

[didier gaumet]

c'est entre les stations de métro Bastille, Voltaire, Charonne,
Bréguet-Sabin, Ledru-Rollin et Rue des Boulets. Le plus proche étant
Ledru-Rollin suivi de Charonne

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[Lee]

On 4/24/19, David Wright  wrote:
> [I presume that replying only to me was a mistake.]

Nope, responding to your "my /etc/hosts file has ~14000 lines" didn't
seem all that germane to the thread.  & not that this is either, but
if you'd prefer to keep it on the list I don't mind.

> On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 10:38:41 (-0400), Lee wrote:
>> On 4/22/19, David Wright  wrote:
>> > On Sun 21 Apr 2019 at 20:30:53 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
>> >> From: David Wright 
>> >> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:13:11 -0500
>> >> > Does the behaviour reported in your OP cause you *great* concern?
>> >>
>> >> No.  Just wastes time.  Opening a simple local HTML home page requires
>> >> roughly a minute rather than roughly a second.
>> >
>> > I tend to forget that, because my /etc/hosts file has ~14000 lines,
>> > pages appear a lot faster here.
>>
>> Have you looked at bind's dns rpz?
>
> Just now.
>
>>   http://zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/rpz.html
>> It lets you do things like
>> *.2o7.net   CNAME   .
>> *.doubleclick.net   CNAME   .
>>
>> to block entire domains instead of having to list each and every
>> hostname in the domain.
>>
>> And you can log what is blocked/allowed to make troubleshooting easier
>
> It might be a good *mechanism* for the diversion itself, but AFAICT
> it's aimed at the *policy* implementers rather than the end-user.

Just out of curiosity - do you think pi-hole is aimed at policy
implementers or end users?

> The value I get from Dan Pollock is the list of sites rather than the
> most elegant mechanism for handling that list. Looking at the comments
> in the list, and by comparing evolving versions, it does appear that
> Dan actively "opens holes" where people report interference or
> difficulties using certain legitimate sites.
>
> Finally, I wouldn't know where to start to compile a list of sites
> like that.

https://dnsrpz.info/
If you're a business, you can buy access to an rpz feed.

If you're a [home?] network admin it's simple enough to enable logging
& see what all is allowed that you'd rather have blocked.  And/or grab
things like Dan Pollock's list and turn them into an rpz file.  I just
don't like the size & the churn in curated host files - I'd rather
have a single line
*.advertisingdomain.tld
and have them all blocked vs. the maybe hundreds of lines blocking
each specific host.

Regards,
Lee

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Georgios]

My minimal install include just installing standard system utilities.
I build my system after that without the use of --no-install-recommends.
Its better to install recommended packages for full functionality of the
installed packages.(Just my opinion)

ps. Im using xfce and i usually pick the packages i need.

ps2.Find your network hardware and see if it needs firmware installed.

Check you
On 4/24/19 8:36 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
> 1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
> 2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
>    to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
>    default installer}
> 
> My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a
> minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended
> packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages
> after the fact is unaesthetic.
> 
> My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my minimalist
> install. I had done a standard install without specifying any GUI or
> extra packages.
> 
> My base setup was installed by doing
>   apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
>   apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic
> 
> All it lacks is internet connectivity.
> I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a modem
> (WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it appears
> eth2 on Network Manager Applet.
> 
> I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
> The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger the
> "connecting" icon.
> 
> How do I determine what else I need to install?
> [Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
> TIA
> 
> 

Re: Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Joe]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:36:29 -0500
Richard Owlett  wrote:

> I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
> 1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
> 2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
> to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
> default installer}
> 
> My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a 
> minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended 
> packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending
> packages after the fact is unaesthetic.
> 
> My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my
> minimalist install. I had done a standard install without specifying
> any GUI or extra packages.
> 
> My base setup was installed by doing
>apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
>apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic
> 
> All it lacks is internet connectivity.
> I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a
> modem (WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it
> appears eth2 on Network Manager Applet.
> 
> I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
> The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger
> the "connecting" icon.
> 
> How do I determine what else I need to install?
> [Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
> TIA
> 
> 

Difficult to say without knowing what you don't have. Can you specify
an 'automatic' connection with Network Manager? If not, you probably
need dhcpcd. NM gains abilities according to what helper programs are
available.

-- 
Joe

Attempting a VERY minimal install (using --no-install-recommends ;)

[Richard Owlett]

I'm attempting a very minimal install because:
1. small size in and of itself is a good goal
2. fending for oneself is a valuable educational experience compared
   to having everything handed to you on a "golden platter" {Debian's
   default installer}

My current experiments revolve around defining my personal take on a 
minimal MATE desktop. Part of the motivation is that some recommended 
packages clash with ones I wish to use. Just removing offending packages 
after the fact is unaesthetic.


My test machine has both a default install from DVD 1 and my minimalist 
install. I had done a standard install without specifying any GUI or 
extra packages.


My base setup was installed by doing
  apt-get --no-install-recommends install task-mate-desktop
  apt-get install pluma gparted synaptic

All it lacks is internet connectivity.
I have a WiFi hotspot from T-mobile which I effectively use as a modem 
(WiFi is intentionally disabled). On the standard install it appears 
eth2 on Network Manager Applet.


I used Synaptic to install network-manager-gnome
The apparent problem is that connecting the hotspot does dot trigger the 
"connecting" icon.


How do I determine what else I need to install?
[Recall point #2 in my first paragraph ;]
TIA

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[der.hans]

Am 24. Apr, 2019 schwätzte David Wright so:

moin moin,


On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 18:15:03 (+), der.hans wrote:

Am 23. Apr, 2019 schwätzte David Wright so:

On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 15:53:50 (-), Curt wrote:

On 2019-04-23, der.hans  wrote:


I use different Firefox profiles for banking to improve isolation, so at
least they won't be attacked by a retailers tab.

I'm experimenting with Firefox containers for the isolation.



https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers


I can see some usefulness in having separate bookmarks and histories,
particularly the latter as it's not easy to classify in the same way
as bookmarks with its submenus. But I see only convenience, not
security.

What experiments have you devised? How do you define "isolation",


Thus far my experiments have only been for usability. When I first tried
Firefox containers some time ago I could only open one tab in each
container.

I'm just checking that they work and that I can use the same site multiple
times with different credentials from the same browser instance.


and what are the criteria by which you judge whether their scheme
is succeeding or not?


At some point I will need to dive into documentation to see if the design
is to isolate the containers sufficiently for me. Even if it is, I'm
still concerned about a bug allowing container escape or information
bleeding.  Should containers not be sufficient for me, they still look
like a significant improvement for those less tech minded.


My view is that it's easy to test whether unix permissions are working
as the walls are on the local host. But to test whether there's


Exactly! We have long-standing, testable capabilities :).


leakage between containers, you have to either be at the other end of
the connection or be monitoring all the traffic going out from the
local host.


It really needs inspection inside the browser and auditing via multi-site
testing.

But, $spouse isn't going to set up a bunch of different browser profiles.
If containers would be viable for that use case, then they could be an
improvement if the promise turns out to be at least mostly true.

They would also be an improvement for my generic browser use cases.


I currently run different browser instances for different tasks I want to
isolate.


I'm not sure how to stop different browser commands jumping into an
existing browser instance. I presume there are ways, but I find it
simpler to just use different users.


Do you mean when an application launches a browser?

I haven't found a way to specify the default browser for external apps.
That would be useful.


For instance,

[ snipped ]

As to experiments, I need to see if I can get tools like lightbeam to help
me audit isolation. I'll also passively test by checking for bleedover
from different sessions.

I want to see if I can enable and disable add ons per container. I presume
not, but that would be a useful feature.


Interesting stuff: perhaps the making of a wiki.


I'm way behind on creating documentation.

I'll add that to my list of things for an upcoming trip.

ciao,

der.hans
--
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#  "Luckily, this is a comic book, for which no idea is too complex."
#-- Larry Gonick from The Cartoon History of the United States

Debian Stretch : LibreOffice a une apparence douteuse et la fenêtre "caractères spéciaux" est inutilisable

[Nicolas FRANCOIS]

Bonjour.

J'ai installé la dernière version de LibreOffice (6 quelque chose) sur
l'ordinateur de ma femme. J'ai (elle a) deux soucis :
1) l'apparence des fenêtres de l'application est déplorable, on dirait
   un vieux toolkit Xwindow de base, et je ne sais pas comment
   l'améliorer. Sur la fenêtre "À propos", je vois que l'UI renderer
   utilisé est Gtk3. Y a-t-il des paquets à installer pour améliorer
   l'apparence ?
2) Lorsqu'elle veut insérer un caractère spécial, la fenêtre s'ouvre
   avec des cases énormes, elle voit quelques lignes, et en gros ne
   peut pas trouver ce qu'elle cherche. Et ça l'énerve beaucoup. Donc
   elle s'énerve sur moi, parce que je ne trouve pas la solution...
   Vous avez une idée ?

D'avance merci. Je suis à votre disposition pour tout renseignement
complémentaire.

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Re: duvida wget

[Francisco M Neto]

Tentei aqui e ele reclamou que só pode fazer recursivo se o output for um
arquivo normal. Se você não precisar baixar o site inteiro, tenta usar sem o -r.
Se não, faz o output pra um arquivo temporário depois apaga o arquivo...

Da próxima vez, manda o output do seu comando, ajuda com as repostas

Francisco

On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 13:42 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:
> Não deu certo com o -O
> 
> Utilizo para testar sites que hospedamos.
> 
> Em 24/04/2019 06:19, Francisco M Neto escreveu:
> > Bom dia
> > 
> > Não sei pra quê alguém faria isso, mas
> > 
> > $ man wget
> > 
> > mostra que a opção -O é o que você está procurando.
> > 
> > Francisco
> > 
> > On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 19:28 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:
> > > Como usar o wget para baixar um site e não salvar o conteudo dele no
> > > hd?
> > > estou usando o comando abaixo e não esta dando certo.
> > > 
> > > wget --limit-rate=5k -qr www.site.com.br &> /dev/null
> > > 
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Synaptic error message -- how to respond

[Richard Owlett]

I have repeatedly received the following error message:

E: galternatives: package is in a very bad inconsistent state;
you should  reinstall it before attempting configuration


I don't recall what triggered it last week. Today I wanted to install 
"apt-rdepends" which displayed the above error message. I closed the 
message window. The box next to apt-rdepends was colored green 
indicating it had been successfully installed. I did a test run of it 
and got reasonably looking output.


I attempt to reinstall "galternatives" and receive:

E: /var/cache/apt/archives/galternatives_0.13.5+nmu4+deb9u1_all.deb:
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1



What should I do next?
TIA

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[David Wright]

[I presume that replying only to me was a mistake.]

On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 10:38:41 (-0400), Lee wrote:
> On 4/22/19, David Wright  wrote:
> > On Sun 21 Apr 2019 at 20:30:53 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> >> From: David Wright 
> >> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:13:11 -0500
> >> > Does the behaviour reported in your OP cause you *great* concern?
> >>
> >> No.  Just wastes time.  Opening a simple local HTML home page requires
> >> roughly a minute rather than roughly a second.
> >
> > I tend to forget that, because my /etc/hosts file has ~14000 lines,
> > pages appear a lot faster here.
> 
> Have you looked at bind's dns rpz?

Just now.

>   http://zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/rpz.html
> It lets you do things like
> *.2o7.net   CNAME   .
> *.doubleclick.net   CNAME   .
> 
> to block entire domains instead of having to list each and every
> hostname in the domain.
> 
> And you can log what is blocked/allowed to make troubleshooting easier

It might be a good *mechanism* for the diversion itself, but AFAICT
it's aimed at the *policy* implementers rather than the end-user.

The value I get from Dan Pollock is the list of sites rather than the
most elegant mechanism for handling that list. Looking at the comments
in the list, and by comparing evolving versions, it does appear that
Dan actively "opens holes" where people report interference or
difficulties using certain legitimate sites.

Finally, I wouldn't know where to start to compile a list of sites
like that.

Cheers,
David.

Re: duvida wget

[Vitor Hugo]

Não deu certo com o -O

Utilizo para testar sites que hospedamos.

Em 24/04/2019 06:19, Francisco M Neto escreveu:
> Bom dia
>
>   Não sei pra quê alguém faria isso, mas
>
> $ man wget
>
>   mostra que a opção -O é o que você está procurando.
>
> Francisco
>
> On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 19:28 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:
>> Como usar o wget para baixar um site e não salvar o conteudo dele no
>> hd?
>> estou usando o comando abaixo e não esta dando certo.
>>
>> wget --limit-rate=5k -qr www.site.com.br &> /dev/null
>>

Re: firefox > Preferences > When Firefox starts.

[David Wright]

On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 18:15:03 (+), der.hans wrote:
> Am 23. Apr, 2019 schwätzte David Wright so:
> > On Tue 23 Apr 2019 at 15:53:50 (-), Curt wrote:
> > > On 2019-04-23, der.hans  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I use different Firefox profiles for banking to improve isolation, so at
> > > > least they won't be attacked by a retailers tab.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm experimenting with Firefox containers for the isolation.

> > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers
> > 
> > I can see some usefulness in having separate bookmarks and histories,
> > particularly the latter as it's not easy to classify in the same way
> > as bookmarks with its submenus. But I see only convenience, not
> > security.
> > 
> > What experiments have you devised? How do you define "isolation",
> 
> Thus far my experiments have only been for usability. When I first tried
> Firefox containers some time ago I could only open one tab in each
> container.
> 
> I'm just checking that they work and that I can use the same site multiple
> times with different credentials from the same browser instance.
> 
> > and what are the criteria by which you judge whether their scheme
> > is succeeding or not?
> 
> At some point I will need to dive into documentation to see if the design
> is to isolate the containers sufficiently for me. Even if it is, I'm
> still concerned about a bug allowing container escape or information
> bleeding.  Should containers not be sufficient for me, they still look
> like a significant improvement for those less tech minded.

My view is that it's easy to test whether unix permissions are working
as the walls are on the local host. But to test whether there's
leakage between containers, you have to either be at the other end of
the connection or be monitoring all the traffic going out from the
local host.

> I currently run different browser instances for different tasks I want to
> isolate.

I'm not sure how to stop different browser commands jumping into an
existing browser instance. I presume there are ways, but I find it
simpler to just use different users.

> For instance,
[ snipped ]
> As to experiments, I need to see if I can get tools like lightbeam to help
> me audit isolation. I'll also passively test by checking for bleedover
> from different sessions.
> 
> I want to see if I can enable and disable add ons per container. I presume
> not, but that would be a useful feature.

Interesting stuff: perhaps the making of a wiki.

Cheers,
David.

Re: duvida wget

[Francisco M Neto]

Bom dia

Não sei pra quê alguém faria isso, mas 

$ man wget

mostra que a opção -O é o que você está procurando.

Francisco

On Tue, 2019-04-23 at 19:28 +, Vitor Hugo wrote:
> Como usar o wget para baixar um site e não salvar o conteudo dele no
> hd? 
> estou usando o comando abaixo e não esta dando certo.
> 
> wget --limit-rate=5k -qr www.site.com.br &> /dev/null
> 
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Re: Debian.org, Suggestions to increase your business

[Jacob]

Hi Debian.org,
Hope you are doing fantastic.

I am Jacob Sr. Web Analyzer having 9+ years of experience in Search Engine
Marketing, Social media Marketing, Content Marketing, Pay-per-click, Video
Marketing etc.

While analyzing your website, we tracked some pitfalls for which your
website doesn’t show up within top search results on search engines
including Google. In addition to the same, we found that Debian.org is not
able to achieve appropriate traffic/visitors for a couple of months.

I am quite impressed with your website - Business Concept, Content,
Call-to-Actions and others. As a web analyzer, I can recommend few things
to improve the website performance and I hope my suggestions will help
business & your website.

My suggestions:

• Publish Relevant Content (Blogs, Micro blogs, Article, Business Bio and
etc)

• Update Your Content regularly for quick crawling

• Go for variation keywords and website optimization

• Update Best Title Metadata, Description Metadata, Keyword Metadata

• Go for Social media marketing for more engagement and social media traffic

• Work on Page Loading speed and fix it to load within seconds

• Go for Content marketing and Video marketing
  • Implement Latest Industry Specific Schema so you stand out as
compared to your competitors’

not sure, if you can understand all above technical terms or not. Not to be
worried, I will help to make you understand about the above points with
brief descriptions.

If you have a technical team then I will wish you to go ahead and work on
the above factors or if you prefer then I can help you to work on the above
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If you are comfortable to go for a online meeting then please let me know.
If you need to know about the cost then please revert back to my email and
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Re: Convert PDF to TIFF at a certain bits-per-sample amount

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting Rodolfo Medina (2019-04-24 00:26:15)
> Jonas Smedegaard  writes:
> 
> > Quoting mick crane (2019-04-23 23:36:19)
> >> On 2019-04-23 21:02, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >> > How can I convert PDF to TIFF at a certain bit-per-sample quantity?  
> >> > Say, 8...?
> >> > Any particular option to
> >> > 
> >> >  $ convert file.pdf file.tif
> >> > 
> >> > ?  Or any other way...?

> >> there's got to be a pdf2tiff
> >> there's everything else with a 2 in it's name
> >
> > pstopnm -stdout foo.pdf | pnmtotiff > foo.tiff

> Fantastic...  This seems to work fine...  Thanks to all...  Only, in 
> the tiff final output the body of the text is like zoomed, so that 
> part of it is lost...
> How to keep the original size?  Thanks,

Try explore some of the tools mentioned at 
https://sites.google.com/site/tfsidc/document-conversion

To find out which package contains a certain command-line tool, you can 
install the package apt-file and search like this:

  apt-file search a2ping

That initially listed tool, a2ping, seems from its documentation to be 
_exactly_ the kind of thing you need - sensibly calibrated layout, not 
only raw conversion.  But I tried quickly and it turns out that to 
convert from PDF to TIFF it needs another tool, sam2p, which is not in 
Debian.


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Re: [HS] Navigateur sur smartphone avec client VPN intégré

[Olivier]

J'ignorai qu'Opera intégrait un VPN: merci à tous pour l'avoir signalé.

En lisant ses caractéristiques, celles-ci sont toutefois assez limitées: je
pense que je vais devoir dissocier le VPN du navigateur et apprendre aux
utilisateurs à se servir des deux.

Encore merci

Le ven. 19 avr. 2019 à 18:46, didier gaumet  a
écrit :

>
> J'ai entendu dire qu'Opera avait un VPN intégré, je n'en sais pas plus...
>
>

Re: Convert PDF to TIFF at a certain bits-per-sample amount

[Eric S Fraga]

On Tuesday, 23 Apr 2019 at 22:58, didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 23/04/2019 à 22:02, Rodolfo Medina a écrit :
>>  $ convert file.pdf file.tif
> with convert, maybe the -depth option?

maybe -density instead.

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