Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Keith Bainbridge]

On 20/4/20 12:26 am, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 19 apr 20, 09:43:46, Carl Fink wrote:

So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
version.


By? I'm guessing you mean the standard request from reportbug to try a
newer version.
  

Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.


Actually bugs of severity "important" or higher can be fixed in stable,
provided certain criteria are met.
  

So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing?


It's usable, though with less guarantees. Have a backup plan in case of
breakage. Mine is typically a paralel stable install, though other
methods exist (e.g. snapshots)

Kind regards,
Andrei



Agree. I have had a couple of issues, but reverting a few days with my 
snapshot has saved my   a couple of times - not for several months 
now, though.   I use timeshift, which is usable from terminal or a live 
.iso of a linux which includes timeshift as a default. Try Mint if you 
don't have a better option.



You will get more downloads with package updates though. But that is the 
real difference between stable and testing - testing finds bits that 
still need updating. Even SID is a stable OS, just gets even more 
packages updated (from memory, packages stay in SID until about 2 weeks 
of no major issues?).




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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[David Wright]

On Sun 19 Apr 2020 at 09:43:46 (-0400), Carl Fink wrote:
> So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
> try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
> version. There is no way to install the newer version without manually
> fiddling with pointlessly arcane configuration files that are sort of 
> documented
> if you squint.
> 
> (Yes, the pun on "bug" is deliberate.)
> 
> Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
> says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
> literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.
> 
> Yes, technically if the version number in Stable and Experimental are the
> same, the bug might get fixed, but the fix would never actually be in Stable
> until the current Testing is released.

Aren't you assuming that a bug fix is the sole use for the Bug
Tracking System. I find it's a help when I suspect that I might
be seeing the effect of a bug. It can also be useful for finding
workarounds, and for comparing competing packages. You can also get
advanced warning of serious bugs by apt-listbugs before you install
a package.

> So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? Because Stable is
> ... not so much, and decreasing. (It's fine as a server OS, it's just as a
> client box that it effectively degrades over time as software upgrades don't
> happen.)

I'm not sure I understand: isn't it your perspective that changes,
as you discover unfixed bugs. The software itself stays the same.

However, as someone obviously keen to report bugs, your using Testing
could be valuable for the project.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Charles Curley]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 21:07:42 -0400
Doug McGarrett  wrote:

> This may be a little off-topic, but it seems to me that any email
> from a .nl address is spam. Am I wrong? (I just erase from the top!)

Yes, you are wrong. There are plenty of legitimate users in the
Netherlands.

-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Doug McGarrett]

On 4/19/20 4:59 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

/snip/

This may be a little off-topic, but it seems to me that any email from a .nl
address is spam. Am I wrong? (I just erase from the top!)

--doug

[Résolu] Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[Nicolas Hussein]

Le dimanche 19 avril 2020 à 09:39 +0200, Nicolas Hussein a écrit :
> Voici la situation rapidement : j'étais sous Debian 9 jusque là, la
> mise à niveau vers Debian 10 hier s'est très mal passée, et je n'ai
> vraiment pas eu d'autre choix que de réinstaller complètement Debian
> 10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)
> 
> Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
> de son.

Je ne sais pas pourquoi mes différents mails de ce matin ne sont pas
passés... (pardon d'avance si ça finit par arriver d'un coup et faire
un doublon) mais en résumé ça fonctionne, la honte internationale, un
tout petit réglage... et je vous remerciais tous pour votre aide !

Pour info le mail de solution :

*

Bon, la honte internationale...

"Multimédia / Contrôle du volume PulseAudio"
-> "Lecture"
-> "AudioIPC Server : AudioStream" était sur "Muet", j'ai remis "100%"
et j'ai du son...

Désolé à tous !

Bonne soirée,
Nicolas

Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[riveravaldez]

On 4/19/20, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 09:43:46, Carl Fink wrote:
>> So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
>> try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
>> version.
>
> By? I'm guessing you mean the standard request from reportbug to try a
> newer version.
>
>> Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script
>> that
>> says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously,
>> that's
>> literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.
>
> Actually bugs of severity "important" or higher can be fixed in stable,
> provided certain criteria are met.

Just in case it helps: you also have Backports.

«Backports are packages taken from the next Debian release (called
"testing"), adjusted and recompiled for usage on Debian stable.»[1]

>> So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing?
>
> It's usable, though with less guarantees. Have a backup plan in case of
> breakage. Mine is typically a paralel stable install, though other
> methods exist (e.g. snapshots)

Another option - if disk-space is a concern - is to have a pendrive at
hand with a couple of your preferred (updated) LiveUSB distros in
something like MultiSystem[2] (which I *really* don't know why isn't
available in Debian repositories...) or anything similar that you
like[3].

Best regards.

[1] https://backports.debian.org/
[2] http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[3] 
https://alternativeto.net/software/multisystem/?license=opensource=linux

Re: No Sound

[riveravaldez]

On 4/19/20, Bernd Gruber  wrote:
> Thomas George wrote:
>
>> systemctl status sound-card1.device
>>
>>  sound-card1.device - /sound/card1
>>
>>  Loaded: Loaded
>>
>>  Active: inactive (dead)
>>
>> System is Buster Debian 4.19.98-1
>>
>> Upon reboot to Strectch Debian 4.9.38-2 sound works fine. Where should I
>> look to correct the problem in Buster?
>
> remove timidity / timidity-daemon

For more details on that you can check:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/04/msg00511.html

Follow from there.

Best regards.

foldingathome-beta

[Jude DaShiell]

On archlinux I'm running foldingathome-beta and it doesn't disable my
system.  It does use spare cpu cycles not used by the system for its own
maintenance and not used by me.  The system at times does run hard but
that's to be expected.
I don't know if that package is available on debian yet.  I tried boinc
having used setiathome software before it and never did manage to get that
set up and working.



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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:28:08PM +, davidson wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> >On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:51:27, Chris Ramsden wrote:
> >>
> >>I'd invite Andrei to define what he means by "bounce".
> >
> >I thought I already did in follow-ups. The Debian specific instructions
> >explicitly mention mutt as an example.
> >
> >As far as I can tell it is what Wikipedia calls "remailing"[1],
> >though I might very well be mistaken. A better explanation would be
> >much appreciated (to link to from the wiki).
> 
> My half-assed understanding of bouncing is this: When you get a
> message that wasn't really meant for you, and you know where it ought
> to go, then you should "bounce" it there [...]

Correct. This was bounce's original purpose. It has the property
that it passes the original mail's headers on, and thus its
utility for some secondary purposes:

 - if you want to show the message with all its details
   to someone (e.g. a postmaster) for further analysis

 - if you want to feed the message to some spam filter

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Ihor Antonov]

On Sunday, 19 April 2020 07:26:31 PDT Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 09:43:46, Carl Fink wrote:
> > So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
> > try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
> > version.
> 
> By? I'm guessing you mean the standard request from reportbug to try a
> newer version.
> 
> > Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script
> > that
> > says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously,
> > that's literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in
> > Stable.
> Actually bugs of severity "important" or higher can be fixed in stable,
> provided certain criteria are met.
> 
> > So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing?
 
Reporting from Debian Sid, everything is quite stable. I do run ZFS on root 
and make snapshots prior to big upgrades as a pre-caution, but so far I did 
not have a reason to revert anything. I was using Archlinux for a long time, 
and I can say that Sid feels more stable than Archlinux, although software is 
less fresh. But overall quite usable as a daily driver on my Lenovo X1 Extreme

---
Ihor Antonov

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[davidson]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, Andrei POPESCU wrote:


On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:51:27, Chris Ramsden wrote:


I'd invite Andrei to define what he means by "bounce".


I thought I already did in follow-ups. The Debian specific instructions
explicitly mention mutt as an example.

As far as I can tell it is what Wikipedia calls "remailing"[1],
though I might very well be mistaken. A better explanation would be
much appreciated (to link to from the wiki).


My half-assed understanding of bouncing is this: When you get a
message that wasn't really meant for you, and you know where it ought
to go, then you should "bounce" it there. I distilled this
understanding from the following excerpts from my prefered mail
client's (alpine's) documentation:


From the alpine mail client's internal help screen for the

configuration item that enables bouncing:

  FEATURE: Enable Bounce Command

  Setting this feature enables the "B Bounce" command, which will
  prompt for an address and *remail* the message to the new
  recipient. This command is used to re-direct messages that you have
  received in error, or need to be redirected for some other reason
  (e.g. list moderation). The final recipient will see a header
  indicating that you have Resent the msg, but the message's From:
  header will show the original author of the message, and replies to
  it will go back to that author, and not to you.

  

Some information on related email headers,
http://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/alpine-info/misc/headers.html

  Resent-Message-Id: A Resent type header is generated when you bounce
  a message. In this case, Alpine generates a new Message-Id, which
  does not replace the Message-Id of the original message, but
  identifies Alpine as the agent "bouncing" the message.

  Resent-Date: This is the date when the message was bounced.

  Resent-From: This is the address and personal name of the person that
  bounced the message to you. You can not edit the contents of this
  header, as you can with the From field.

  Resent-To: This is the personal name and e-mail address of the person
  you are bouncing a message to.

  Resent-Cc: The Cc field of the original message that was bounced.

  Resent-Reply-To: The Reply-To field of the person bouncing the
  message.

Hope this helps.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_forwarding#Forwarding_versus_remailing

Kind regards,
Andrei



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Re: fonts and wine in Debian buster

[Anil Felipe Duggirala]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020, at 11:47 AM, didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 19/04/2020 à 18:45, didier gaumet a écrit :
> 
> > [...] to link is to copy:[...]
> 
> 
> sorry: to link is not to copy
> 
>

Thank you Didier, you are right, linking is not copying. Linking works for me 
actually, and the article you linked is very informative.
thanks again.

Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[Dethegeek]

Bonjour

Si timidity est installé et actif, le son ne fonctionnera pas. Il faut arrêter 
son service (sudo service timidity stop) pour que le son remarche. Il me semble 
qu'un redémarrage du service fera aussi l'affaire.

L'expérience est probablement connue des joueurs de doom avec les musiques en 
MIDI

Le 19 avril 2020 19:07:07 GMT+02:00, didier gaumet  a 
écrit :
>Le 19/04/2020 à 09:39, Nicolas Hussein a écrit :
>[...]
>> Debian 10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)
>> 
>> Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
>> de son.
>[...]
>> Lorsque je vais dans le contrôle de volume Pulseaudio, le
>périphérique
>> Xonar DS est bien en "Sortie Surround analogique 5.1" (j'ai 5
>enceintes
>> + 1 caisson de basses, j'ai supposé que c'était bon) ; les autres
>> "éteint" (et de toute façon les autres choix sont "unplugged" pour
>les
>> autres cartes), ce qui confirme que je dois bien être branché sur
>Xonar
>> DS...
>[...]
>
>je crois (à confirmer) que la config de base de Debian/Xfce c'est Alsa
>seul sans Pulseaudio. Xfce pour le son s'appuie sur Gstreamer, il faut
>donc au minimum que gstreamer1.0-alsa soit installé (plus les plugins
>qui vont bien pour décoder ce qu'on veut lire). Si on utilise
>Pulseaudio, il faut installer gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio, je pense (en
>tout
>cas quand j'utilisais Xfce, je me souviens avoir fait ça parce que ça
>n'était pas installé par défaut).

-- 
Envoyé de mon appareil Android avec Courriel K-9 Mail. Veuillez excuser ma 
brièveté.

Re: grub menu takes very long to appear

[Nima Azarbayjany]

By the way and for the record, this bug report is an exact instance of the
problem I had and the proposed workaround fixed the delayed boot process
for me too: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=950175.

Re: No Sound

[Bernd Gruber]

Thomas George wrote:

> systemctl status sound-card1.device
> 
>  sound-card1.device - /sound/card1
> 
>  Loaded: Loaded
> 
>  Active: inactive (dead)
> 
> System is Buster Debian 4.19.98-1
> 
> Upon reboot to Strectch Debian 4.9.38-2 sound works fine. Where should I
> look to correct the problem in Buster?

remove timidity / timidity-daemon

Greetings
Bernd

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Sven Joachim]

On 2020-04-19 19:11 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote:

> The Wanderer  wrote:
>
>> Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd tried
>> that in the past, and had the result be ignored.
>
> No, it does work. Or at least it should, since you are holding the
> package state, which is "uninstalled" at that moment.

Maybe it should work, but currently it does not.  See
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929102.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 18:27, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2020-04-19 at 13:08, Michael Lange wrote:


Hi,

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:57:12 -0400 The Wanderer
 wrote:


Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd
tried that in the past, and had the result be ignored.

not sure about that, man apt-mark says

" hold is used to mark a package as held back, which will prevent
the package from being automatically installed, upgraded or
removed."

I think my memory has been jogged now. I think the problem is that this
hold doesn't propagate through the dependency-resolution system, but
only serves to prevent the change from being made, with the result that
if the dependency resolver thinks the change is necessary then an
install / upgrade/ whatever operation will fail with "you have held
broken packages".

IIRC and in my experience, this produces breakages in situations which
would otherwise work often enough that I've just given up on trying it.

And just as I finish that first paragraph, I remember the thing that
didn't work with "not-installed" state: 'dpkg --set-selections'.

I don't think apt and dpkg are linked in this respect, they didn't used 
to be. i.e. holding through apt had no affect on dpkg.


'apt-mark hold' definately prevents a package being selected for 
install, say as a depend, but you obviously could end up with broken 
packages if you forced the matter somehow.


To my mind, it should maintain the status quo and mutually exclusive 
packages should be suitable for 'marking'.


--
Michael Howard

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-04-19 at 13:08, Michael Lange wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:57:12 -0400 The Wanderer
>  wrote:
> 
>> Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd
>> tried that in the past, and had the result be ignored.
> 
> not sure about that, man apt-mark says
> 
> " hold is used to mark a package as held back, which will prevent
> the package from being automatically installed, upgraded or
> removed."

I think my memory has been jogged now. I think the problem is that this
hold doesn't propagate through the dependency-resolution system, but
only serves to prevent the change from being made, with the result that
if the dependency resolver thinks the change is necessary then an
install / upgrade/ whatever operation will fail with "you have held
broken packages".

IIRC and in my experience, this produces breakages in situations which
would otherwise work often enough that I've just given up on trying it.

And just as I finish that first paragraph, I remember the thing that
didn't work with "not-installed" state: 'dpkg --set-selections'.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Sven Hartge]

The Wanderer  wrote:
> On 2020-04-19 at 12:46, Michael Howard wrote:
>> On 19/04/2020 17:34, Michael Lange wrote:

>>> But then, I noticed that  sudo-ldap is not actually installed here,
>>> and in fact it appears to conflict with sudo so apparently both
>>> cannot coexist.
>>> 
>>> So maybe the basic problem here is that we are trying to make apt do
>>> things that really don't make any sense?
>> 
>> But what if I want neither sudo nor sudo-ldap? I hold sudo but then
>> sudo-ldap gets installed (should something depend it) and vice-versa
>> I guess.

> Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd tried
> that in the past, and had the result be ignored.

No, it does work. Or at least it should, since you are holding the
package state, which is "uninstalled" at that moment.

S!

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Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:57:12 -0400
The Wanderer  wrote:

> Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd tried
> that in the past, and had the result be ignored.

not sure about that, man apt-mark says

" hold is used to mark a package as held back, which will prevent the
package from being automatically installed, upgraded or removed."

But it might make sense that this will keep only packages that are
recommended from being installed, not those that are dependencies.
Maybe "depends" just takes precedence over "hold" when the user gives
apt instructions that basically are contradictory.

Regards

Michael

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is quite illogical to run up and down on green grass, using energy,
instead of saving it.
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Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[didier gaumet]

Le 19/04/2020 à 09:39, Nicolas Hussein a écrit :
[...]
> Debian 10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)
> 
> Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
> de son.
[...]
> Lorsque je vais dans le contrôle de volume Pulseaudio, le périphérique
> Xonar DS est bien en "Sortie Surround analogique 5.1" (j'ai 5 enceintes
> + 1 caisson de basses, j'ai supposé que c'était bon) ; les autres
> "éteint" (et de toute façon les autres choix sont "unplugged" pour les
> autres cartes), ce qui confirme que je dois bien être branché sur Xonar
> DS...
[...]

je crois (à confirmer) que la config de base de Debian/Xfce c'est Alsa
seul sans Pulseaudio. Xfce pour le son s'appuie sur Gstreamer, il faut
donc au minimum que gstreamer1.0-alsa soit installé (plus les plugins
qui vont bien pour décoder ce qu'on veut lire). Si on utilise
Pulseaudio, il faut installer gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio, je pense (en tout
cas quand j'utilisais Xfce, je me souviens avoir fait ça parce que ça
n'était pas installé par défaut).

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-04-19 at 12:46, Michael Howard wrote:

> On 19/04/2020 17:34, Michael Lange wrote:

>> But then, I noticed that  sudo-ldap is not actually installed here,
>> and in fact it appears to conflict with sudo so apparently both
>> cannot coexist.
>> 
>> So maybe the basic problem here is that we are trying to make apt
>> do things that really don't make any sense?
> 
> But what if I want neither sudo nor sudo-ldap? I hold sudo but then 
> sudo-ldap gets installed (should something depend it) and vice-versa
> I guess.

Does holding a package to not-installed even work? I thought I'd tried
that in the past, and had the result be ignored.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: fonts and wine in Debian buster

[didier gaumet]

Le 19/04/2020 à 18:45, didier gaumet a écrit :

> [...] to link is to copy:[...]


sorry: to link is not to copy

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 17:34, Michael Lange wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:25:18 +0200
Sven Hartge  wrote:


Michael Howard  wrote:


root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold sudo sudo-ldap
sudo set on hold.
sudo-ldap set on hold.
root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
sudo
sudo-ldap
Still good, but then,
root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold xterm
xterm set on hold.
root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
xterm
root@bamford:/etc#
Is that expected?

*That* I can reproduce. Interesting.

No, that is not intended.

This looks like https://bugs.debian.org/892632 "apt: "apt-mark hold"
changes state of unrelated packages" to me.

that's what I thought.

I tried some more, and here the same command sequence leads to a slightly
different result:

# apt-mark showhold
# apt-mark hold bash dash sudo sudo-ldap
bash auf Halten gesetzt.
dash auf Halten gesetzt.
sudo auf Halten gesetzt.
sudo-ldap auf Halten gesetzt.
# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
sudo
sudo-ldap
# apt-mark hold xterm
xterm auf Halten gesetzt.
# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
sudo
xterm
#

But then, I noticed that  sudo-ldap is not actually installed here, and in
fact it appears to conflict with sudo so apparently both cannot coexist.

So maybe the basic problem here is that we are trying to make apt do
things that really don't make any sense?

But what if I want neither sudo nor sudo-ldap? I hold sudo but then 
sudo-ldap gets installed (should something depend it) and vice-versa I 
guess.


Personally, I don't think co-existence is relevant.

--
Michael Howard

Re: fonts and wine in Debian buster

[didier gaumet]

Le 19/04/2020 à 16:34, Anil F Duggirala a écrit :

> Thank you Richard. As far as I can see in this link, they simply
> recommend making a link between my system fonts and the famous Fonts
> folder in drive_c/windows. My OP was about not having to do that [...]

Hello Anil,

You did mention that you do not want to copy fonts but to link is to
copy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ln_(Unix)#Links

 :-)

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:25:18 +0200
Sven Hartge  wrote:

> Michael Howard  wrote:
> 
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold sudo sudo-ldap
> > sudo set on hold.
> > sudo-ldap set on hold.
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
> > bash
> > dash
> > sudo
> > sudo-ldap
> 
> > Still good, but then,
> 
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold xterm
> > xterm set on hold.
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
> > bash
> > dash
> > xterm
> > root@bamford:/etc#
> 
> > Is that expected?
> 
> *That* I can reproduce. Interesting.
> 
> No, that is not intended. 
> 
> This looks like https://bugs.debian.org/892632 "apt: "apt-mark hold"
> changes state of unrelated packages" to me.

that's what I thought.

I tried some more, and here the same command sequence leads to a slightly
different result:

# apt-mark showhold
# apt-mark hold bash dash sudo sudo-ldap
bash auf Halten gesetzt.
dash auf Halten gesetzt.
sudo auf Halten gesetzt.
sudo-ldap auf Halten gesetzt.
# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
sudo
sudo-ldap
# apt-mark hold xterm
xterm auf Halten gesetzt.
# apt-mark showhold
bash
dash
sudo
xterm
#

But then, I noticed that  sudo-ldap is not actually installed here, and in
fact it appears to conflict with sudo so apparently both cannot coexist.

So maybe the basic problem here is that we are trying to make apt do
things that really don't make any sense?

Regards
Michael


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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Jim Popovitch]

On Sun, 2020-04-19 at 10:27 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 09:51:02AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> 
> > What applications do you feel aren't up-to-date enough for your liking?
> > I'm genuinely curious.
> 
> Mr. Heskett's comments made me want to tell him how to lower the CPU usage
> of BOINC. However, boinc-manager in Stable, at least on my system, has a bug
> resulting in a blank Computing Preferences dialog. 
> 
> (Options >> Computing preferences)
> 
> > > So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? Because Stable is
> > > ... not so much, and decreasing. (It's fine as a server OS, it's just as a
> > > client box that it effectively degrades over time as software upgrades 
> > > don't
> > > happen.)
> > 
> > I run stable on a work laptop, it's quite stable (which is what I want
> > out of it)
> 
> This is, of course, not actually an answer to my question.

It wasn't meant to be.  It was a comment on how stable, for me, is
certainly not degrading over time.  

Best wishes,

-Jim P.

Re: fonts and wine in Debian buster

[Anil F Duggirala]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 04:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/17/2020 03:01 AM, didier gaumet wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wine#Fonts
> 
> Thank you. That page and it's links seem to provide a good
> introduction 
> to WINE. Installing WINE has been on my to-do list but I never got 
> around to searching out suitable references.

Thank you Richard. As far as I can see in this link, they simply
recommend making a link between my system fonts and the famous Fonts
folder in drive_c/windows. My OP was about not having to do that, since
I miss the days when Wine would just grab the system fonts
automatically.
thank you,

Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Celejar]

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:51:02 -0400
Jim Popovitch  wrote:

> On Sun, 2020-04-19 at 09:43 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> > Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
> > says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
> > literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.
> 
> I agree with your sentiments, but need to point out that some
> applications are updated regularly in stable (Firefox-ESR is one that
> comes to mind), and there are regular point-releases that contain
> updates.   

To clarify: the official absolute assertion that:

"Once a Debian version is released and tagged `stable' it will only get
security updates. That is, only packages for which a security
vulnerability has been found after the release will be upgraded." [1]

is not quite accurate - point releases also fix "important bugs in the
current release." [2]

Additionally, it's not always clear what constitutes a security
vulnerability. In any event, a quick browsing of (for example) the most
recent (10.3) point release notice shows that numerous bugs that aren't
necessarily security vulnerabilities have indeed been fixed. [3]

[1] 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/getting-debian.en.html#updatestable
[2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
[3] https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200208

Celejar

Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 09:51:02AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:

> What applications do you feel aren't up-to-date enough for your liking?
> I'm genuinely curious.

Mr. Heskett's comments made me want to tell him how to lower the CPU usage
of BOINC. However, boinc-manager in Stable, at least on my system, has a bug
resulting in a blank Computing Preferences dialog. 

(Options >> Computing preferences)

> > So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? Because Stable is
> > ... not so much, and decreasing. (It's fine as a server OS, it's just as a
> > client box that it effectively degrades over time as software upgrades don't
> > happen.)
> 
> I run stable on a work laptop, it's quite stable (which is what I want
> out of it)

This is, of course, not actually an answer to my question.
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-Kenne Estes

Re: BOINC (was Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19)

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 19 April 2020 09:39:43 The Wanderer wrote:

> On 2020-04-19 at 09:23, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 19 April 2020 03:03:53 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> >> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because
> >> for past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC
> >> project Rosetta@Home.
> >> Every research task is for Covid-19.
> >> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
> >> people for faux-currenccy.
> >
> > This might be true, but my singular experience with boinc when seti
> > was turned off was enough to make me wipe it from the system as it
> > insisted on the highest priority the system could muster, leaving me
> > with a frozen, locked up system. Written by a bunch of windows
> > people who considered a linux box was something to disable if they
> > could. Unless boinc has been taught some manners, it will never
> > again be installed on any machine I control. But I have doubts that
> > manners will ever happen as long as winders nuts run it.
>
> Seriously?
>
> It's the *Berkeley* Open Infrastructure for Network Computing project.
> That's the same Berkeley from the quote (found, among other places, in
>
> the fortunes database):
> >>> There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and
> >>> UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
>
> The "Building BOINC" section of their Website [1] seems clearly
> *nix-oriented. The building-the-client section does have Windows build
> directions, but they're listed third, after the ones for "Linux" and
> "other UNIX".
>
> The latest item in their front-page News listing as of this writing
> (dated April 2nd) is about their having moved to a new server, which -
> from the description - is clearly Linux-based.
>
> I don't recall having ever previously heard anything which even
> suggested - never mind indicated - that BOINC was in any way or sense
> Windows-specific or Windows-oriented, except in terms of supporting
> and being able to run on Windows.
>
> Where the ^@#! do you get the idea that BOINC is run by "Winders
> nuts", or was written by "Windows people" in the first place?
>
> [1] https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareBuilding

I haven't even looked at it in a good 12 or 13 years now,  And my opinion 
was formed when I sent emails complaining and was told to go pound sand 
in pretty plain language. Considering that I had time in seti from the 
beginning and ranked in the top 1000 at the time, I felt pretty 
seriously insulted. So I did the only thing I could do, and pulled the 
plug.  The then new winders management had quite plainly stated their 
opinion of my problem.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 09:43:46, Carl Fink wrote:
> So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
> try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
> version.

By? I'm guessing you mean the standard request from reportbug to try a 
newer version.
 
> Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
> says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
> literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.

Actually bugs of severity "important" or higher can be fixed in stable, 
provided certain criteria are met.
 
> So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? 

It's usable, though with less guarantees. Have a backup plan in case of 
breakage. Mine is typically a paralel stable install, though other 
methods exist (e.g. snapshots)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:51:27, Chris Ramsden wrote:
> 
> I'd invite Andrei to define what he means by "bounce".

I thought I already did in follow-ups. The Debian specific instructions 
explicitly mention mutt as an example.

As far as I can tell it is what Wikipedia calls "remailing"[1], though I 
might very well be mistaken. A better explanation would be much appreciated (to 
link to from the wiki).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_forwarding#Forwarding_versus_remailing

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 13:27:40, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
> >> that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers
> >> :-( into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.
> 
> > As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the
> > original message (though this may depend on the client), however it is
> > *not* appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because
> > it would be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other
> > (legitimate) mime parts.
> 
> No, because wrapped messages are of "Content-Type: message/rfc822". If
> your wrap multiple messages, all are contained in "Content-Type:
> multipart/digest", so they are easily distinguishable from other
> attachments.

I stand corrected.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Reporting bugs in Stable

[Jim Popovitch]

On Sun, 2020-04-19 at 09:43 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
> says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
> literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.

I agree with your sentiments, but need to point out that some
applications are updated regularly in stable (Firefox-ESR is one that
comes to mind), and there are regular point-releases that contain
updates.   

What applications do you feel aren't up-to-date enough for your liking?
I'm genuinely curious.

> So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? Because Stable is
> ... not so much, and decreasing. (It's fine as a server OS, it's just as a
> client box that it effectively degrades over time as software upgrades don't
> happen.)

I run stable on a work laptop, it's quite stable (which is what I want
out of it)

-Jim P.

Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 19.04.2020 18:23, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 19 April 2020 03:03:53 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
>
> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
> past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
> Rosetta@Home.
> Every research task is for Covid-19.
> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
> people for faux-currenccy.
> This might be true, but my singular experience with boinc when seti was 
> turned off was enough to make me wipe it from the system as it insisted 
> on the highest priority the system could muster, leaving me with a 
> frozen, locked up system. Written by a bunch of windows people who 
> considered a linux box was something to disable if they could. Unless 
> boinc has been taught some manners, it will never again be installed on 
> any machine I control. But I have doubts that manners will ever happen 
> as long as winders nuts run it.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
That's strange. For me it was great experience, the installation and
usage of latest version of BOINC Manager.
I keep it on Full Power setting and it will suspend itself automatically
if more than 80% of CPU will be requested by OS.
I can write, listen to music, watch YT videos in HD, without problems.
YMMV, I guess. It could be problem of overheating or some kind of
hardware problem, but definitely not a software problem of BOINC Manager.

On the other hand, Folding@Home project was giving me headaches, because
it is not yet supported on Buster and is going through painful process
of migration to python3.
In the end I've decided to remove it from my system and stick with BOINC.
>From what I know, BOINC is an open project for distribute computing, and
it is open source, so anybody could benefit from it.
I donate my cycles only to registered and long known projects, like
Rosetta@Home.

-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Reporting bugs in Stable

[Carl Fink]

So this has bugged me every time I run Debian Stable: you find a bug. You
try to report it, and are told not to bother because there's a newer
version. There is no way to install the newer version without manually
fiddling with pointlessly arcane configuration files that are sort of documented
if you squint.

(Yes, the pun on "bug" is deliberate.)

Why is reportbug even in Stable? Why not just replace it with a script that
says "Sorry, bugs in Stable are never fixed. Try Testing." Seriously, that's
literally the Debian policy, that only security fixes are done in Stable.

Yes, technically if the version number in Stable and Experimental are the
same, the bug might get fixed, but the fix would never actually be in Stable
until the current Testing is released.

So, actual question: how usable is the current Testing? Because Stable is
... not so much, and decreasing. (It's fine as a server OS, it's just as a
client box that it effectively degrades over time as software upgrades don't
happen.)
-- 
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https://reasonablyliterate.com   https://nitpicking.com 
If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. 
-Kenne Estes

Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Vincent Lammens]

Op 19/04/2020 om 15:23 schreef Gene Heskett:
> On Sunday 19 April 2020 03:03:53 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:
> 
>> On 19.04.2020 04:55, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> And it isn't even properly coded pgp.  Draw your own conclusions
>>> about its veracity.
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>
>> According to news on the Internet these kinds of bait-mail become much
>> common these days.
>> Every low-life scumbag is now trying to cash-in on Covid-19 theme.
>> And this "beggar-mail" is not the worst of them all. These people work
>> so hard to develop Covid-19 themed malware and cryptolockers, they
>> register multiple Covid-19 themed domains to spread them, they spam
>> emails bundled with all sorts of files aiming to exploit computer
>> systems and often hit hospitals and healthcare sector.
>> And for what? To get some made up currency which is just numbers and
>> worth nothing.
>> If anything, these people will destroy humanity, not Covid-19.
>>
>> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
>> past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
>> Rosetta@Home.
>> Every research task is for Covid-19.
>> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
>> people for faux-currenccy.
> 
> This might be true, but my singular experience with boinc when seti was 
> turned off was enough to make me wipe it from the system as it insisted 
> on the highest priority the system could muster, leaving me with a 
> frozen, locked up system. Written by a bunch of windows people who 
> considered a linux box was something to disable if they could. Unless 
> boinc has been taught some manners, it will never again be installed on 
> any machine I control. But I have doubts that manners will ever happen 
> as long as winders nuts run it.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

Here in Belgium, some people made fire on a 5G antenna because the
rumors it is a cause of COVID... It makes me sad knowing that there are
people believing that stuff.


-- 
Regards

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BOINC (was Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19)

[The Wanderer]

On 2020-04-19 at 09:23, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Sunday 19 April 2020 03:03:53 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

>> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
>> past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
>> Rosetta@Home.
>> Every research task is for Covid-19.
>> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
>> people for faux-currenccy.
> 
> This might be true, but my singular experience with boinc when seti was 
> turned off was enough to make me wipe it from the system as it insisted 
> on the highest priority the system could muster, leaving me with a 
> frozen, locked up system. Written by a bunch of windows people who 
> considered a linux box was something to disable if they could. Unless 
> boinc has been taught some manners, it will never again be installed on 
> any machine I control. But I have doubts that manners will ever happen 
> as long as winders nuts run it.

Seriously?

It's the *Berkeley* Open Infrastructure for Network Computing project.
That's the same Berkeley from the quote (found, among other places, in
the fortunes database):

>>> There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and 
>>> UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.

The "Building BOINC" section of their Website [1] seems clearly
*nix-oriented. The building-the-client section does have Windows build
directions, but they're listed third, after the ones for "Linux" and
"other UNIX".

The latest item in their front-page News listing as of this writing
(dated April 2nd) is about their having moved to a new server, which -
from the description - is clearly Linux-based.

I don't recall having ever previously heard anything which even
suggested - never mind indicated - that BOINC was in any way or sense
Windows-specific or Windows-oriented, except in terms of supporting and
being able to run on Windows.

Where the ^@#! do you get the idea that BOINC is run by "Winders nuts",
or was written by "Windows people" in the first place?

[1] https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SoftwareBuilding

-- 
   The Wanderer

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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 19 April 2020 03:03:53 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

> On 19.04.2020 04:55, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And it isn't even properly coded pgp.  Draw your own conclusions
> > about its veracity.
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> According to news on the Internet these kinds of bait-mail become much
> common these days.
> Every low-life scumbag is now trying to cash-in on Covid-19 theme.
> And this "beggar-mail" is not the worst of them all. These people work
> so hard to develop Covid-19 themed malware and cryptolockers, they
> register multiple Covid-19 themed domains to spread them, they spam
> emails bundled with all sorts of files aiming to exploit computer
> systems and often hit hospitals and healthcare sector.
> And for what? To get some made up currency which is just numbers and
> worth nothing.
> If anything, these people will destroy humanity, not Covid-19.
>
> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
> past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
> Rosetta@Home.
> Every research task is for Covid-19.
> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
> people for faux-currenccy.

This might be true, but my singular experience with boinc when seti was 
turned off was enough to make me wipe it from the system as it insisted 
on the highest priority the system could muster, leaving me with a 
frozen, locked up system. Written by a bunch of windows people who 
considered a linux box was something to disable if they could. Unless 
boinc has been taught some manners, it will never again be installed on 
any machine I control. But I have doubts that manners will ever happen 
as long as winders nuts run it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Forwarding to report-listspam.d.o vs bounce [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[Sven Hartge]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:27:40PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:

>>> As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the
>>> original message (though this may depend on the client), however it
>>> is *not* appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing
>>> because it would be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message
>>> from other (legitimate) mime parts.
 
>> No, because wrapped messages are of "Content-Type: message/rfc822".
>> If your wrap multiple messages, all are contained in "Content-Type:
>> multipart/digest", so they are easily distinguishable from other
>> attachments.

> So you suggest that forwarding a message (as message/rfc822
> attachment) to report-listspam@l.d.o would be the right thing to do
> with Thunderbird?

No, because I don't know what the listmasters prefer.

I only know that *I* as postmaster for a university prefer to get
spam-mails forwarded via attachement because it keeps the original mail
as intact as possible and I can really easily automagically extract the
original mail and use the necessary tools on them.

(Yes, I could also grab the message directly from the mail storage, but
legal hurdles prevent me from doing this.)

I just wanted to counter Andreis claim that by forwarding you couldn't
distinguis between attached/wrapped mails and other attachments.

As you said: only the Debian listmaster can answer the question how
their workflow prefers the spam to be sent in.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Forwarding to report-listspam.d.o vs bounce [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:27:40PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:41:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> >>> Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and
> >>> it involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another
> >>> address. 
> >> 
> >> Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
> >> that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers
> >> :-( into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.
> 
> > As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the
> > original message (though this may depend on the client), however it is
> > *not* appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because
> > it would be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other
> > (legitimate) mime parts.
> 
> No, because wrapped messages are of "Content-Type: message/rfc822". If
> your wrap multiple messages, all are contained in "Content-Type:
> multipart/digest", so they are easily distinguishable from other
> attachments.

So you suggest that forwarding a message (as message/rfc822 attachment)
to report-listspam@l.d.o would be the right thing to do with Thunderbird?

Makes kind of sense. Perhaps Someone (TM) asks the listmasters (I'd
do, but I prefer to get some consensus here before.

Cheers
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Cord Beermann]

Hallo! Du (Andrei POPESCU) hast geschrieben:

> * DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

Please see
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam#Methods_to_Nominate_Spam_for_the_Review-Process

> Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is 
> *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).

"bounce" refers to the function in mutt (and relatives), but there are more 
ways to
report Spam that is slipping through.

Yours,
Cord

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Sven Hartge]

Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:41:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

>>> Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and
>>> it involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another
>>> address. 
>> 
>> Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
>> that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers
>> :-( into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.

> As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the
> original message (though this may depend on the client), however it is
> *not* appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because
> it would be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other
> (legitimate) mime parts.

No, because wrapped messages are of "Content-Type: message/rfc822". If
your wrap multiple messages, all are contained in "Content-Type:
multipart/digest", so they are easily distinguishable from other
attachments.

Also doing it that way has the benefit of not modifying the original
mails headers, which will happen if you remail/redirect them.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Re : Buster Freeze aleatoire

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le dimanche 19 avril 2020, JC.EtiembleG a écrit...


> > Il semblerai que l'origine du probleme provienne de firefox.
> > J'ai arrete de l'utiliser, je suis passe sous chromium, et depuis je
> > n'ai plus ce probleme de freeze.

> ha   ça me fait penser a un gus qui change de PC parce ça marche plus ;)

Ça peut être l'occasion de découvrir un nouveau navigateur.

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jm

Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[Hugues MORIN]

Salut

oui, c'est vrai, j'avais pas vu ca comme ca, c'est un peu laconique mon
message ;-)

Dans mon cas, je n'avais plus de son sur une machine que je venais
d'upgrader.
Apres avoir chercher dans plusieurs directions, materiel , drivers, etc...
(voir le sujet d'origine car je ne me rappelle pas de tout ;-),
je me suis apercu que si je passais sous gnome, alors que j'etais sous
mate, j'avais du son.

En passant la commande :   dpkg-reconfigure mate-media mate-media-common
libmatemixer0 libmatemixer-common
Cela resolvais le probleme.

Au vue de ce que Nicolas explique, ca ressemble a ce qui m'est arrive. Il
rencontre peut etre un probleme similaire.

@Nicolas : essaye de passer sous un autres bureau et teste le son.

Cordialement
Hugues


Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 12:12, ajh-valmer  a écrit :

> On Sunday 19 April 2020 10:47:08 Hugues MORIN wrote:
> > Au final, la reparation a ete assez simple avec un simple dpkg
> reconfigure.
> > En esperant que cela puisse t'aider, bon courage ;)
>
> Non, pas trop, car :
>
> "dpkg reconfigure"... mais quoi ?
>
> Pourrait-on avoir la ligne complète depuis le prompt #
>
> Ça me fait penser sur les forums, p. ex.
> une personne se plaint d'une carte son non reconnue.
> On lui apporte moults solutions détaillées.
> Et la personne finit par écrire (sic) :
> "Résolu, super simple, il suffisait de taper un truc,
>   et ça remarche impec."
>
> Mais c'est quoi le  truc ?
> Ceux qui ont le même problème, sont pas prêts d'entendre
> un son sur leur ordinateur.
>
> Bon dimanche.
>
>

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:07:50PM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 19/04/2020 12:01, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:56:32AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:
> >>On 19/04/2020 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >>>On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> Never used it myself though as I control my own mail server.
> >>>Just to avoid misunderstandings: how are those two topics related?
> >>>
> >>Related in that I, because I manage my own server,  could/would/do
> >>interact with received messages before they get to TB.
> >But... how? You read them with cat/more?
> >
> >Genuinely curious.
> 
> You asked what the relation was between the two topics (my two
> sentences) was and I answered :)
> 
> In response to the next question, "But... how?" I script, dependent
> on what I want to achieve. It could be adding firewall rules based
> upon repeated probes or anything really.

I see -- nothing manual, then. In my case (showing a specimen to some
postmaster), some manual processes are involved, so it's a different
use case.

> BTW, I'm getting your replies twice as you are sending to me and
> copying the list.

Sorry -- fixed that now.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 12:01, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:56:32AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

On 19/04/2020 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]


Never used it myself though as I control my own mail server.

Just to avoid misunderstandings: how are those two topics related?


Related in that I, because I manage my own server,  could/would/do
interact with received messages before they get to TB.

But... how? You read them with cat/more?

Genuinely curious.


You asked what the relation was between the two topics (my two 
sentences) was and I answered :)


In response to the next question, "But... how?" I script, dependent on 
what I want to achieve. It could be adding firewall rules based upon 
repeated probes or anything really.


BTW, I'm getting your replies twice as you are sending to me and copying 
the list.


--
Michael Howard

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Michael Zoet]

Am 19.04.20 um 12:38 schrieb to...@tuxteam.de:



If there's any thunderbird expert here: hey, tell us how that works,
and I promise to edit the Debian wiki :-)

You need to install an add on to have this feature in Thunderbird and 
it's forks: https://mailredirect.sourceforge.io/


Maybe there are other add ons that achieve the same but I use this one 
for years now.


The problem here is: most people do not know that you can bounce a mail 
and what that means. So that's why most people do not miss this in most 
modern mail readers. People that know CLI mail readers like pine and 
mutt know what this is and miss it in Thunderbird. Like I did years ago 
when I switched over ;-).


Hope this helps someone :-).

Stay healthy and safe,

Michael

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:56:32AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:
> On 19/04/2020 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]

> >>Never used it myself though as I control my own mail server.
> >Just to avoid misunderstandings: how are those two topics related?
> >
> Related in that I, because I manage my own server,  could/would/do
> interact with received messages before they get to TB.

But... how? You read them with cat/more?

Genuinely curious.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:51:27AM +0100, Chris Ramsden wrote:

[...]

> I'd invite Andrei to define what he means by "bounce". The vast majority of 
> spam reporting agencies I have worked with ask for either headers, or the 
> whole of the offending message sent as an attachment. No email client I have 
> ever used has offered an option to "bounce".

That's interesting. All email clients (well "mail user agents") I
have ever used (except Outlook, but I'm glad I ditched that!) have
the option to "bounce".

How experiences differ :-)

Cheers
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Re: Bouncing a message from Thunderbird [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 11:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:50:01AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]


Don't do boasting, but I have installed TB thousands of times, just
like I've installed linux and windows thousands of times. No big
deal is it?

Sorry if I came across a bit "unfriendly". It's just impatience. I just
can't imagine a mail user agent lacking that functionality.


No problem.


I'd still like to know what 'account' the TB installation was asking
you to make though as it could be malicious software you have
installed.

No, it just was straight off Debian Buster. Some kind of setup wizard.


Ah,  that. You just dismiss it and setup your email/news accounts manually.

--
Michael Howard

Re: Bouncing a message from Thunderbird [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:50:01AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]

> Don't do boasting, but I have installed TB thousands of times, just
> like I've installed linux and windows thousands of times. No big
> deal is it?

Sorry if I came across a bit "unfriendly". It's just impatience. I just
can't imagine a mail user agent lacking that functionality.

> I'd still like to know what 'account' the TB installation was asking
> you to make though as it could be malicious software you have
> installed.

No, it just was straight off Debian Buster. Some kind of setup wizard.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 11:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]


If there's any thunderbird expert here: hey, tell us how that works,
and I promise to edit the Debian wiki :-)



There is a mail redirect plugin for TB here,
https://mailredirect.sourceforge.io/installation.html.

Thanks.

So you can confirm there is no native way to achieve a bounce/redirect
in TB?


Never used it myself though as I control my own mail server.

Just to avoid misunderstandings: how are those two topics related?

Related in that I, because I manage my own server,  could/would/do 
interact with received messages before they get to TB.


--
Michael Howard

Re: Re : Buster Freeze aleatoire

[Hugues MORIN]

C'est a peu pres ca ;-)  car j'ai pas le temps de chercher une
explication plus complete et je n'en ai pas la competence

Cette info peut peut etre aider quelqu'un qui se trouverai dans la
meme situation et d'avoir une solution ou un debut de piste de recherche.

Cordialement
Hugues


Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 12:23, JC.EtiembleG  a écrit :

> Le 19/04/2020 à 10:53, Hugues MORIN a écrit :
>
> > Il semblerai que l'origine du probleme provienne de firefox.
> > J'ai arrete de l'utiliser, je suis passe sous chromium, et depuis je
> > n'ai plus ce probleme de freeze.
>
> ha   ça me fait penser a un gus qui change de PC parce ça marche plus ;)
>
> --
> J-C Etiemble
>
>

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:45:49AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]

> >If there's any thunderbird expert here: hey, tell us how that works,
> >and I promise to edit the Debian wiki :-)
> >
> >
> There is a mail redirect plugin for TB here,
> https://mailredirect.sourceforge.io/installation.html.

Thanks.

So you can confirm there is no native way to achieve a bounce/redirect
in TB?

> Never used it myself though as I control my own mail server.

Just to avoid misunderstandings: how are those two topics related?

NB: I control my own mail server too, and do use "bounce" whenever
I receive spam from a domain having a postmaster: to show the
posmaster the spam as I received it, so (s)he can track the
perpetrator in his/her net.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Chris Ramsden]

On 19/04/2020 10:11, elvis wrote:


On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:



* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam

Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U


In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to learn so 
little time.

Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?


It has a "edit as new message" where you can change the address etc and send? 
Would that be close to what is needed?




Kind regards,
Andrei



There is a "redirect" add-on [1] for Thunderbird. Its intended use is that if, 
usually in a workplace scenario, you receive a message that would be more appropriately 
handled by a colleague, you can pass it to that colleague. Additional headers are 
inserted so that it arrives in the colleague's inbox looking as if it it had been 
addressed to them and not to you. This may help your colleague if they file by sender, as 
it retains the original sender's address and not your address, as it would if forwarded 
in the usual way.

I'd invite Andrei to define what he means by "bounce". The vast majority of spam 
reporting agencies I have worked with ask for either headers, or the whole of the offending message 
sent as an attachment. No email client I have ever used has offered an option to "bounce".

[1] https://mailredirect.sourceforge.io/

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Chris

Re: Bouncing a message from Thunderbird [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 11:42, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:16:50AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]


No way. Thing wanted to set up an account and refused to play
with me without one.

You mean an email client wanted you to setup an email account? Wow,
how absurd :)

Indeed. I just wanted to "kick the UI tires". But hey.

Mutt doesn't do that. Of course, I won't be able to send
a mail without an account set up. I know that.


Hello thunderbird: if you insist in infantilizing your users
this way, I won't ever be your friend. Furrfu.

Seriously, what account? Never, ever, been asked to do anything
untoward when installing Thunderbird and I've done it thousands of
times, quite literally.

Since you seem to be a Thunderbird expert, pray tell us how to
"bounce" mails (meaning: send a mail you received, as unharmed
as possible, including headers, to some other party) -- most of
the time for analysis.


No, not an expert. I have replied to a previous post about TB bouncing 
though.



This would be a real service to the community, instead of boasting
around about thousands of Thunderbird installations, yay :-)


Don't do boasting, but I have installed TB thousands of times, just like 
I've installed linux and windows thousands of times. No big deal is it?


I'd still like to know what 'account' the TB installation was asking you 
to make though as it could be malicious software you have installed.


--
Michael Howard

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 11:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:15:16PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:41:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

[...]


Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and it
involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another address.

Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers :-(
into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.

As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the original
message (though this may depend on the client), however it is *not*
appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because it would
be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other
(legitimate) mime parts.

I'll try whenever I have a thunderbird around. Don't hold your breath,
though :-)

If there's any thunderbird expert here: hey, tell us how that works,
and I promise to edit the Debian wiki :-)


There is a mail redirect plugin for TB here, 
https://mailredirect.sourceforge.io/installation.html. Never used it 
myself though as I control my own mail server.


--
Michael Howard

Re: Bouncing a message from Thunderbird [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:16:50AM +0100, Michael Howard wrote:

[...]

> >No way. Thing wanted to set up an account and refused to play
> >with me without one.
> 
> You mean an email client wanted you to setup an email account? Wow,
> how absurd :)

Indeed. I just wanted to "kick the UI tires". But hey.

Mutt doesn't do that. Of course, I won't be able to send
a mail without an account set up. I know that.

> >Hello thunderbird: if you insist in infantilizing your users
> >this way, I won't ever be your friend. Furrfu.
> 
> Seriously, what account? Never, ever, been asked to do anything
> untoward when installing Thunderbird and I've done it thousands of
> times, quite literally.

Since you seem to be a Thunderbird expert, pray tell us how to
"bounce" mails (meaning: send a mail you received, as unharmed
as possible, including headers, to some other party) -- most of
the time for analysis.

This would be a real service to the community, instead of boasting
around about thousands of Thunderbird installations, yay :-)

Cheers
-- tomás


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:15:16PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:41:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and it 
> > > involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another address. 
> > 
> > Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
> > that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers :-(
> > into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.
> 
> As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the original 
> message (though this may depend on the client), however it is *not* 
> appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because it would 
> be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other 
> (legitimate) mime parts.

I'll try whenever I have a thunderbird around. Don't hold your breath,
though :-)

If there's any thunderbird expert here: hey, tell us how that works,
and I promise to edit the Debian wiki :-)

The problem with the attachment thing is -- we don't know whether the
automaton at report-listspam@l.d.o is set up to deal with that.

Cheers
-- t


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Liam O'Toole]

On Sun, 19 Apr, 2020 at 19:11:55 +1000, elvis wrote:
> 
> On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
[...]

> > Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
> > *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U
> 
> In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to learn so
> little time.

The idea is common enough to mutt users. You simply type 'b' on an email
and enter the recipient address when prompted.

> Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?

Alas, despite having used thunderbird also for many years I have never
come across this feature.

Re: Re : Buster Freeze aleatoire

[JC.EtiembleG]

Le 19/04/2020 à 10:53, Hugues MORIN a écrit :


Il semblerai que l'origine du probleme provienne de firefox.
J'ai arrete de l'utiliser, je suis passe sous chromium, et depuis je 
n'ai plus ce probleme de freeze.


ha   ça me fait penser a un gus qui change de PC parce ça marche plus ;)

--
J-C Etiemble

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 10:03:07, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> * DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam
> 
> Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is 
> *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).

This now also mentions the option the "Report as spam" button available 
in the archives.

Tip: to find a message quickly in the archives one can go to 
https://lists.debian.org/ or 
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/ (which is also present in 
the message's headers)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Bouncing a message from Thunderbird [was: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever]

[Michael Howard]

On 19/04/2020 10:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 07:11:55PM +1000, elvis wrote:

On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Dear List Subscribers,


If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:

* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to
remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate
thread)

* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)

* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam

Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U

In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to
learn so little time.

Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?

So I tried to install thunderbird to see whether I can have a go
at it.

No way. Thing wanted to set up an account and refused to play
with me without one.


You mean an email client wanted you to setup an email account? Wow, how 
absurd :)



Hello thunderbird: if you insist in infantilizing your users
this way, I won't ever be your friend. Furrfu.


Seriously, what account? Never, ever, been asked to do anything untoward 
when installing Thunderbird and I've done it thousands of times, quite 
literally.


--
Michael Howard

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 11:41:52, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and it 
> > involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another address. 
> 
> Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
> that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers :-(
> into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.

As far as I know "forwarding as attachment" does not affect the original 
message (though this may depend on the client), however it is *not* 
appropriate for this particular use-case. I'm guessing because it would 
be difficult to distinguish the forwarded message from other 
(legitimate) mime parts.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[ajh-valmer]

On Sunday 19 April 2020 10:47:08 Hugues MORIN wrote:
> Au final, la reparation a ete assez simple avec un simple dpkg reconfigure.
> En esperant que cela puisse t'aider, bon courage ;)

Non, pas trop, car :

"dpkg reconfigure"... mais quoi ?

Pourrait-on avoir la ligne complète depuis le prompt #

Ça me fait penser sur les forums, p. ex.
une personne se plaint d'une carte son non reconnue.
On lui apporte moults solutions détaillées.
Et la personne finit par écrire (sic) :
"Résolu, super simple, il suffisait de taper un truc,
  et ça remarche impec."

Mais c'est quoi le  truc ?
Ceux qui ont le même problème, sont pas prêts d'entendre
un son sur leur ordinateur.

Bon dimanche.

Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[deloptes]

aces and eights wrote:

> a few things
> The white house co-ordinator says "we don't have flu anymore".
> It is difficult to believe the figures, states get 39 thousand dollars for
> each Covid-19 death so they are putting Covid-19 down as cause of death
> whatever the cause.
US was always a bit crazy in those tings. one friend put it properly - sheer
incompetence.
You were knowing very well what is happening in Italy since February. What
did they do ?

> UK was doing the same thing as Sweden until the media went crazy and tried
> to scare everybody then UK did a U-turn and imposed the lockdown.
> The Swedish government virologists says if we never had flu and it turned
> up suddenly the reaction would be the same but we live with old people
> dying of flu all the time.

Again sheer incompetence.  A virus like this can not be handled like
influenza - example a person with influenza infects at 1.6 and this makes
for 10 days 56. A person with covid infects at 2.7 and this makes for 10
days >2000. Death rate is also higher - so you have your ICUs overwhealmed
and people start dieing from lack of proper treatment. 

Also watch out what will happen in Sweden in the next few weeks - I expect
it will explode there.

I was also sceptical in the beginning, but my wife has friends in hospitals
in Italy and in France. We asked (first Italy) later France - all of them
report the same. It does not depend on age that much, but rather on how
your body reacts. At the end there are too many young people dying of
this - just in hours. It's bad and should not be underestimated.

> Problem is how you get out of a lockdown without going back to stage 1.
> There are treatments for malaria that seem to stop the virus attacking the
> red blood particles and affecting delivery of oxygen.
> The elite types that want to control the society outside of the national
> governments are ridiculing talk of these as they want to vaccinate
> everybody.
> Interesting times.

Forget this - it will take an year - we are being lied all the time - cause
the politicians serve the money not the people. If we are lucky there will
not be a 2nd or 3rd wave - but it is not very likely. More likely it will
go from lock down to lock down until most of us get it or it disappears
like SARS-1 did. You can hope just to go through it easily. 
Also vaccines are not likely to be developed soon - this is another lie. IT
is not a stable virus - mutates very fast.

But this is for the future - for now who ever got ready for that lean back
and watch the show. The rest God be with you!

Re: Seeing command history when using MATE terminal

[David]

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 22:15,  wrote:
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 07:00:53 AM David wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 at 20:20, Richard Owlett  wrote:

> > > I can see any *ONE* previous commands by using the up-arrow key.
> > > But I need to see the *complete* history. F1 is no "Help".
> > > Obviously its stored in a file. Where?

> > * so if a user runs multiple shells, each shell exit will overwrite the
> > existing history file, the result is that only the last shell to exit will
> > have its history
> > preserved, and the history of the others will be lost.

> But, if you want / need to preserve the history from several terminals, there
> are ways to do it, for example, set a different $HISTFILE for each terminal.

An alternative approach (untested):
https://spin.atomicobject.com/2016/05/28/log-bash-history/

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:21:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

[...]

> Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and it 
> involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another address. 

Ah, I see. I was betting on "forwarding", but later it occurred to me
that this would wrap the original message (probably without headers :-(
into a part of a multi-part MIME. Drats. Probably you are right.

> If an option allows editing it is probably not it ;)

After re-adjusting my assessment of Thunderbird, I wouldn't be so sure
anymore :-/

Cheers
-- t


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[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 07:11:55PM +1000, elvis wrote:
> 
> On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >Dear List Subscribers,
> >
> >
> >If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:
> >
> >* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to
> >remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate
> >thread)
> >
> >* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)
> >
> >* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org
> >
> >https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam
> >
> >Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
> >*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U
> 
> In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to
> learn so little time.
> 
> Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?

So I tried to install thunderbird to see whether I can have a go
at it.

No way. Thing wanted to set up an account and refused to play
with me without one.

Hello thunderbird: if you insist in infantilizing your users
this way, I won't ever be your friend. Furrfu.

Purged, went on. Internet isn't really helpful.

> It has a "edit as new message" where you can change the address etc
> and send? Would that be close to what is needed?

I don't know. The aim is that the other side gets the original
message in as pristine a state as possible (including mail
headers!). They are going to train a spam filter on it.

You need a bounce whenever you want to let know the other side
how the whole message (including the "technical packaging", i.e.
headers and all) looked when you received it.

Does Thunderbird have a "Forward Message" thingy? It could be
this one.

The internet isn't very helpful on that either, alas. Some sites
say you need a plugin [1] for that.

If you want to try things out, you're welcome to bounce a message
from this list to me [2], and I'll try to tell you whether the
bounce looks good to me.

Sigh. Very disappointed of Thunderbird. Trying to make an easy
mail interface isn't the same as trying to make an interface
for children. Furrfu.

Cheers
[1] Say WHAT? It's as if my bike needed a plugin to move westward.
   Doesn't make any sense.
[2] pick any one: the idea is that we both have seen it and I
   have something to compare your bounce to.
-- tomás


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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 19:11:55, elvis wrote:
> On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > * DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam
> > 
> > Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
> > *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U
> 
> In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to learn so
> little time.
> 
> Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?
> 
> 
> It has a "edit as new message" where you can change the address etc and
> send? Would that be close to what is needed?

Apparently the "official" name (to be confirmed) is "remailing" and it 
involves resending the message (mostly untouched) to another address. 

If an option allows editing it is probably not it ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[elvis]

On 19/4/20 5:03 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Dear List Subscribers,


If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:

* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to
remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate
thread)

* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)

* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam

Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).U


In over 25 years of email I have never come across this, so much to 
learn so little time.


Any idea how to do this in Thunderbird?


It has a "edit as new message" where you can change the address etc and 
send? Would that be close to what is needed?





Kind regards,
Andrei


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Re: inactive uploaders maintainers what to do?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 09:36:17, Ben Tris wrote:
> 
> Some package maintainers/uploaders seem inactive and/or email is gone.
> Can I report this somewhere? And how, if so.

Are you sure the persons are inactive or is it just one ore more 
packages that appear to be unmaintained?

Maybe the e-mail address has changed, but the package didn't require 
updates.

We can provide better answers if you specify package names.

In any case, there is:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MIA

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Please, don't reply to spam on-list

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 08:58:36AM +0100, aces and eights wrote:
> a few things
> The white house co-ordinator says "we don't have flu anymore".
[...]

This is seriously off-topic. Besides you are replying to spam
on-list. Please, pretty please, don't do that.

See, this list is open, for a reason. But this can only work if
people here behave in a civilised way. I repeat myself: This
includes *not replying to spam*.

Veering off-topic is fine, if you take care that it doesn't
overwhelm other things.

This list can only be helpful if it doesn't drown in noise. Let's
try to help keeping it that way.

Thanks
-- tomás


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Re: Re : Buster Freeze aleatoire

[Hugues MORIN]

Salut

Je reviens sur le probleme de freeze et la solution a celui-ci.

Il semblerai que l'origine du probleme provienne de firefox.
J'ai arrete de l'utiliser, je suis passe sous chromium, et depuis je n'ai
plus ce probleme de freeze.

Desole pour l'abscence de details techniques, mais je n'ai pas pu trouver
ni l'origine ni l'explication de ce freeze.

Cordialement
Hugues


Le mer. 25 mars 2020 à 15:23, Hugues MORIN  a écrit :

> Salut
>
>
> Merci Shayne
>
> J'ai desinstalle/purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
> La suite concerne seulement les CG nvidia (si j'ai bien compris) et
> l'installation du bon driver pour ces cartes
>
> J'en ai profite pour mettre a jour firmware-amd-graphics,
> firmware-linux-nonfree et firmware-misc-nonfree vers la version
> 20190717-2bpo10+1
>
> Au niveau du driver, il semble que le xserver-xorg-video-radeon Version
> 1:19.0.1-1 soit celui qui est approprie pour cette carte (AMD/ATI] RV630
> PRO [Radeon HD 2600 PRO])
>
> @Nicolas : Je ne sais pas vraiment a quoi sert ce fichier. Il semble etre
> juste la pour confirmer la presence/l'activiter d'un user et valider
> certaine operation en son nom.
> J'ai eu exactement la meme chose, la disparition du fichier, et la machine
> fonctionnait parfaitement.
> Le seul cas ou j'ai eu le freeze et le log volumineux , c'est quand ce
> fichier avait pour proprietaire root.
>
> Voila le petit script qui m'a servi de patch a ce bug. A mettre en cron
> toutes les 5mn:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> FILENAME=/run/user/1000/dconf/user
>
> if [ -e $FILENAME ]
> then
> if [ $(stat -c %G:%U $FILENAME) != "hugues:hugues" ]
> then
> #echo $(stat -c %G:%U $FILENAME)
> chown hugues:hugues $FILENAME
> #echo $(stat -c %G:%U $FILENAME)
> fi
> fi
>
> A adapter en fonction de ton user ou si tu as plusieurs user sur ta machine
>
> Cordialement
> Hugues
>
> Le mar. 24 mars 2020 à 21:41, Shayne  a écrit :
>
>> tu dois desinstaller driver nouveau est mettre le driver approrie.
>>
>>
>> https://www.debian-fr.org/t/probleme-de-freeze-graphique-et-haute-consommation-du-cpu/81447/15
>> On 2020-03-24 2:41 p.m., Hugues MORIN wrote:
>>
>> Re
>>
>> Ce bug est aleatoire ou est engendre par je ne sais quoi.
>>
>> Parfois tout va bien comme maintenant et puis parfois tu peux avoir
>> -rw--- 1 root root 2 mars  24 17:32 /run/user/1000/dconf/user
>>
>> et la ... c'est le bug, beaucoup d'erreur ce stocke dans les log, la
>> machine ralenti puis finalement freeze completement
>>
>>
>> Voilou
>> Bonne soiree
>> Hugues
>>
>> Le mar. 24 mars 2020 à 19:29,  a écrit :
>>
>>> Le 24/03/2020 18:36:38, Hugues MORIN a écrit :
>>>
>>> > Nicolas.Patrois et JeanBernon, si votre freeze est precede d'un
>>> > ralentissement et que les log on un volume anormalement eleve,
>>> > regardez du
>>> > cote des droits et du proprietaire de /run/user/(uid de votre user,
>>> > 1000 en general)/dconf/user. Ce fichier doit avoir comme proprietaire
>>> votre
>>> > user.
>>>
>>> > ll /run/user/1000/dconf/user
>>> -rw--- 1 nicolas nicolas 2 mars  24 17:32 /run/user/1000/dconf/user
>>>
>>> Chez moi tout a l’air d’aller bien (j’utilise Sid).
>>>
>>> nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
>>> --
>>> RÉALISME
>>>
>>> M : Qu'est-ce qu'il nous faudrait pour qu'on nous considère comme des
>>> humains ? Un cerveau plus gros ?
>>> P : Non... Une carte bleue suffirait...
>>>
>>>

Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[Hugues MORIN]

Bonjour Nicolas

J'ai eu moi aussi un probleme de son sous buster il y a quelques semaines.
Ce n'etais pas la meme machine ni la meme carte son mais il se pourrai que
tu trouves des infos dans la discussion que l'on a eu sur la liste a ce
propos.

Le titre etait: Buster - Pas de son - CM M2V / HDA VIA VT82xx - ALC660-VD
(realtek ?)

Au final, la reparation a ete assez simple avec un simple dpkg reconfigure.

En esperant que cela puisse t'aider, bon courage ;)

Cordialement
Hugues


Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 10:06, Nicolas Hussein  a
écrit :

> Bonjour à la liste,
>
> Voici la situation rapidement : j'étais sous Debian 9 jusque là, la
> mise à niveau vers Debian 10 hier s'est très mal passée, et je n'ai
> vraiment pas eu d'autre choix que de réinstaller complètement Debian
> 10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)
>
> Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
> de son.
>
> J'ai vérifié la base :
>
> 1. Je suis bien dans le groupe "audio"
>
> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ groups
> nicolas cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin
> scanner
>
> 2. Les hauts-parleurs sont bien allumés (oui, on ne sait jamais) et
> branchés au même endroit qu'avant
>
> 3. Ma carte est bien détectée :
>
> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [DS ]: AV200 - Xonar DS
>   Asus Virtuoso 66 at 0xe800, irq 21
>  1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
>   HDA ATI SB at 0xfcff4000 irq 16
>  2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
>   HDA NVidia at 0xfea7c000 irq 19
>  3 [C170   ]: USB-Audio - Webcam C170
>   Webcam C170 at usb-:02:00.0-2, high speed
>
> En n° 3 c'est ma webcam avec micro intégré. En 0, 1 et 2 je dois
> retrouver normalement 2 cartes sons. J'ai normalement :
> - une carte son intégrée à la carte mère, que je n'utilise pas
> - une 2e carte son à l'intérieur de ma tour, sur laquelle sont
> branchées les enceintes
>
> Par élimination je dirais que :
> - 0 AV200 Xonar c'est ma "bonne" carte son (souvenirs un peu lointains
> car ma tour a environ 10 ans)
> - 1 Intel peut-être la carte son intégrée à la carte mère ?
> - 2 Nvidia peut-être un module son intégré à ma carte graphique ?
>
> Lorsque je vais dans le contrôle de volume Pulseaudio, le périphérique
> Xonar DS est bien en "Sortie Surround analogique 5.1" (j'ai 5 enceintes
> + 1 caisson de basses, j'ai supposé que c'était bon) ; les autres
> "éteint" (et de toute façon les autres choix sont "unplugged" pour les
> autres cartes), ce qui confirme que je dois bien être branché sur Xonar
> DS...
>
> Voici pour info la sortie de lspci :
>
> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 Host
> Bridge
> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI
> bridge (ext gfx port 0)
> 00:07.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI
> to PCI bridge (PCIE port 3)
> 00:0a.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI
> to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
> USB OHCI1 Controller
> 00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
> USB OHCI1 Controller
> 00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus
> Controller (rev 3c)
> 00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00
> Azalia (Intel HDA)
> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI to
> PCI Bridge
> 00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor HyperTransport Configuration
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Address Map
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor DRAM Controller
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Miscellaneous Control
> 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Link Control
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce
> 210] (rev a2)
> 01:00.1 Audio device: 

Re: Plus de son sous Buster

[Jean Bernon]

Es-tu sous Gnome ? Si oui, as-tu vérifié la sortie audio sélectionnée dans 
"Paramètres / Son" ?
Un peu simpliste, mais c'est comme les branchements :)


> De: "Nicolas Hussein" 
> À: "Liste Debian" 
> Envoyé: Dimanche 19 Avril 2020 09:39:50
> Objet: Plus de son sous Buster

> Bonjour à la liste,

> Voici la situation rapidement : j'étais sous Debian 9 jusque là, la
> mise à niveau vers Debian 10 hier s'est très mal passée, et je n'ai
> vraiment pas eu d'autre choix que de réinstaller complètement Debian
> 10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)

> Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
> de son.

> J'ai vérifié la base :

> 1. Je suis bien dans le groupe "audio"

> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ groups
> nicolas cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin
> scanner

> 2. Les hauts-parleurs sont bien allumés (oui, on ne sait jamais) et
> branchés au même endroit qu'avant

> 3. Ma carte est bien détectée :

> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
> 0 [DS ]: AV200 - Xonar DS
> Asus Virtuoso 66 at 0xe800, irq 21
> 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
> HDA ATI SB at 0xfcff4000 irq 16
> 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
> HDA NVidia at 0xfea7c000 irq 19
> 3 [C170 ]: USB-Audio - Webcam C170
> Webcam C170 at usb-:02:00.0-2, high speed

> En n° 3 c'est ma webcam avec micro intégré. En 0, 1 et 2 je dois
> retrouver normalement 2 cartes sons. J'ai normalement :
> - une carte son intégrée à la carte mère, que je n'utilise pas
> - une 2e carte son à l'intérieur de ma tour, sur laquelle sont
> branchées les enceintes

> Par élimination je dirais que :
> - 0 AV200 Xonar c'est ma "bonne" carte son (souvenirs un peu
> lointains
> car ma tour a environ 10 ans)
> - 1 Intel peut-être la carte son intégrée à la carte mère ?
> - 2 Nvidia peut-être un module son intégré à ma carte graphique ?

> Lorsque je vais dans le contrôle de volume Pulseaudio, le
> périphérique
> Xonar DS est bien en "Sortie Surround analogique 5.1" (j'ai 5
> enceintes
> + 1 caisson de basses, j'ai supposé que c'était bon) ; les autres
> "éteint" (et de toute façon les autres choix sont "unplugged" pour
> les
> autres cartes), ce qui confirme que je dois bien être branché sur
> Xonar
> DS...

> Voici pour info la sortie de lspci :

> nicolas@ordiNico:~$ lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 Host
> Bridge
> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 PCI to
> PCI
> bridge (ext gfx port 0)
> 00:07.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880
> PCI
> to PCI bridge (PCIE port 3)
> 00:0a.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880
> PCI
> to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
> 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
> USB OHCI1 Controller
> 00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
> 00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
> USB OHCI1 Controller
> 00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
> 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus
> Controller (rev 3c)
> 00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
> 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00
> Azalia (Intel HDA)
> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI
> to
> PCI Bridge
> 00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
> SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
> 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor HyperTransport Configuration
> 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Address Map
> 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor DRAM Controller
> 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Miscellaneous Control
> 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
> Processor Link Control
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce
> 210] (rev a2)
> 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation High Definition Audio
> Controller (rev a1)
> 02:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042 SuperSpeed
> USB
> Host Controller
> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
> 04:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788
> [Oxygen HD Audio]

> D'après PulseAudio 

Re: Lancer une appli graphique en ssh : ça s'améliore

[Pierre Malard]

> Le 18 avr. 2020 à 18:11, Haricophile  a écrit :
> 
> Le Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:46:47 +0200,
> "ajh-valmer"  a écrit :
> 
>> Quelles énormités... ?  Pourquoi ?
> 
> Parce que ça met les gens en danger ne serait-ce que ça ?
> C'est pas ce qu'il dit ?

Sauf que, avant d’être méprisant et sentencieux on peut aussi être
constructif et … pédagogue.

On peut, par exemple, souligner le danger.

Si je lis le fil de cette discussion il ne me semble pas que
l’initiative ait été :
« je n’ai pas envie de chercher, ils chercheront à ma place »
  mais bien plutôt un « au secours je ne trouve pas  ».

Alors, dans ce cas, rien qu’un lien sur ma page où j’aborde le
problème si je n’ai pas envie de me répéter est un minimum.

Ce, sans jugement de valeur ni autre jugement d’en haut.

Cordialement

> 
>> Tu ne les indiques pas et ni même une piste de solution.
> 
> Je te propose de lire son blog, des pistes, des solutions, des informations
> tu en aura jusqu'à plus soif (^_^);
> 

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Re: inactive uploaders maintainers what to do?

[Jean-Philippe MENGUAL]

Hi,

I am not sure of the process, but I would say you could:
1. report a bug requesting the package to be orphaned by the maintainer 
or, at least RFA (request for adoption)
2. without reaction, submit a NMU (non-maintainer upload) if you have a 
patch

3. FInding a sponsorship to upload on debian-mentors

You also can report a bug against the virtual package wnpp, with Itent 
to adopt, to shat a proces sstarts to make you adopt the package. You 
will need a mentor.


I guess there is a more precise process I cannot find immediately in the 
Debian Developers reference documents.


Regards


Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Debian Developer non uploading
Community team member
Accessibility team member
debian-l10n-french team member
President of Debian France non-profit organization
Le 19/04/2020 à 09:36, Ben Tris a écrit :

Hello,

Some package maintainers/uploaders seem inactive and/or email is gone.
Can I report this somewhere? And how, if so.

Nice Day,

Plus de son sous Buster

[Nicolas Hussein]

Bonjour à la liste,

Voici la situation rapidement : j'étais sous Debian 9 jusque là, la
mise à niveau vers Debian 10 hier s'est très mal passée, et je n'ai
vraiment pas eu d'autre choix que de réinstaller complètement Debian
10.3 à partir d'une image CD (CD 1 / amd 64 / xfce)

Globalement tout fonctionne à peu près, SAUF que je n'ai plus du tout
de son.

J'ai vérifié la base :

1. Je suis bien dans le groupe "audio"

nicolas@ordiNico:~$ groups
nicolas cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin
scanner

2. Les hauts-parleurs sont bien allumés (oui, on ne sait jamais) et
branchés au même endroit qu'avant

3. Ma carte est bien détectée :

nicolas@ordiNico:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [DS ]: AV200 - Xonar DS
  Asus Virtuoso 66 at 0xe800, irq 21
 1 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
  HDA ATI SB at 0xfcff4000 irq 16
 2 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
  HDA NVidia at 0xfea7c000 irq 19
 3 [C170   ]: USB-Audio - Webcam C170
  Webcam C170 at usb-:02:00.0-2, high speed

En n° 3 c'est ma webcam avec micro intégré. En 0, 1 et 2 je dois
retrouver normalement 2 cartes sons. J'ai normalement :
- une carte son intégrée à la carte mère, que je n'utilise pas
- une 2e carte son à l'intérieur de ma tour, sur laquelle sont
branchées les enceintes

Par élimination je dirais que :
- 0 AV200 Xonar c'est ma "bonne" carte son (souvenirs un peu lointains
car ma tour a environ 10 ans)
- 1 Intel peut-être la carte son intégrée à la carte mère ?
- 2 Nvidia peut-être un module son intégré à ma carte graphique ?

Lorsque je vais dans le contrôle de volume Pulseaudio, le périphérique
Xonar DS est bien en "Sortie Surround analogique 5.1" (j'ai 5 enceintes
+ 1 caisson de basses, j'ai supposé que c'était bon) ; les autres
"éteint" (et de toute façon les autres choix sont "unplugged" pour les
autres cartes), ce qui confirme que je dois bien être branché sur Xonar
DS...

Voici pour info la sortie de lspci :

nicolas@ordiNico:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 Host
Bridge
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780 PCI to PCI
bridge (ext gfx port 0)
00:07.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI
to PCI bridge (PCIE port 3)
00:0a.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] RS780/RS880 PCI
to PCI bridge (PCIE port 5)
00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [IDE mode]
00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
00:12.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
USB OHCI1 Controller
00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
00:13.1 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0
USB OHCI1 Controller
00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 SMBus
Controller (rev 3c)
00:14.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 IDE Controller
00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00
Azalia (Intel HDA)
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 LPC host controller
00:14.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 PCI to
PCI Bridge
00:14.5 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]
SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI2 Controller
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
Processor HyperTransport Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
Processor Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
Processor DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
Processor Miscellaneous Control
00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 10h
Processor Link Control
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce
210] (rev a2)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation High Definition Audio
Controller (rev a1)
02:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. ASM1042 SuperSpeed USB
Host Controller
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
04:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788
[Oxygen HD Audio]

D'après PulseAudio c'est le tout dernier, Oxygen HD Audio, qui
correspond à ma carte Xonar DS...

Voici la sortie de :
nicolas@ordiNico:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
 0 snd_virtuoso
 1 snd_hda_intel
 2 snd_hda_intel
 3 snd_usb_audio

Est-ce que l'un de vous aurait une idée, le début d'une piste ? Un
firmware à réinstaller, un paquet manquant, un fichier de configuration
à 

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 02:25:14, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/19/2020 02:03 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > 
> > * DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam
> > 
> > Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
> > *not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).
> 
> You specify what "bouncing" is NOT.
> More information needed on what it IS.

It is "remailing" :p

I tried to fix that in the wiki with a link to Wikipedia, unfortunately 
not a very good explanation.

A better reference / explanation would be much appreciated!

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[aces and eights]

a few things
The white house co-ordinator says "we don't have flu anymore".
It is difficult to believe the figures, states get 39 thousand dollars for
each Covid-19 death so they are putting Covid-19 down as cause of death
whatever the cause.
UK was doing the same thing as Sweden until the media went crazy and tried
to scare everybody then UK did a U-turn and imposed the lockdown.
The Swedish government virologists says if we never had flu and it turned
up suddenly the reaction would be the same but we live with old people
dying of flu all the time.
Problem is how you get out of a lockdown without going back to stage 1.
There are treatments for malaria that seem to stop the virus attacking the
red blood particles and affecting delivery of oxygen.
The elite types that want to control the society outside of the national
governments are ridiculing talk of these as they want to vaccinate
everybody.
Interesting times.

On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 08:31, deloptes  wrote:

> Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> > And for the record, in the state of Illinois of the USA, there are still
> > fewer covid-19 deaths than murders in 2018.
> > Quoting a smart man, s/he who refuses to calculate is doomed.
>
> we have April - you get Italy style situation and very soon (exponent)
> you'll to crime deaths
>
>
>
>

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 02:25:14AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/19/2020 02:03 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >Dear List Subscribers,
> >
> >
> >If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:
> >
> >* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to
> >remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate
> >thread)
> >
> >* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)
> >
> >* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org
> >
> >https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam
> >
> >Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
> >*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).
> 
> You specify what "bouncing" is NOT.

Quoth the original: '"bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some
mail clients'

> More information needed on what it IS.

See above.

> I'm running SeaMonkey 2.49.4 on Linux.

I have no idea on how SeaMonkey works. I guess it is some kind of
thunderbird cousin?

Cheers
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inactive uploaders maintainers what to do?

[Ben Tris]

Hello,

Some package maintainers/uploaders seem inactive and/or email is gone.
Can I report this somewhere? And how, if so.

Nice Day,



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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[deloptes]

Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

> And for the record, in the state of Illinois of the USA, there are still
> fewer covid-19 deaths than murders in 2018.
> Quoting a smart man, s/he who refuses to calculate is doomed.

we have April - you get Italy style situation and very soon (exponent)
you'll to crime deaths

Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Nicholas Geovanis]

And for the record, in the state of Illinois of the USA, there are still
fewer covid-19 deaths than murders in 2018.
Quoting a smart man, s/he who refuses to calculate is doomed.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:04 AM Alexander V. Makartsev 
wrote:

> On 19.04.2020 04:55, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
>
> And it isn't even properly coded pgp.  Draw your own conclusions about
> its veracity.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> According to news on the Internet these kinds of bait-mail become much
> common these days.
> Every low-life scumbag is now trying to cash-in on Covid-19 theme.
> And this "beggar-mail" is not the worst of them all. These people work so
> hard to develop Covid-19 themed malware and cryptolockers, they register
> multiple Covid-19 themed domains to spread them, they spam emails bundled
> with all sorts of files aiming to exploit computer systems and often hit
> hospitals and healthcare sector.
> And for what? To get some made up currency which is just numbers and worth
> nothing.
> If anything, these people will destroy humanity, not Covid-19.
>
> As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
> past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
> Rosetta@Home.
> Every research task is for Covid-19.
> This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other people
> for faux-currenccy.
>
>
> --
> With kindest regards, Alexander.
>
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄
>
>

Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Sven Hartge]

Michael Howard  wrote:

> root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold sudo sudo-ldap
> sudo set on hold.
> sudo-ldap set on hold.
> root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
> bash
> dash
> sudo
> sudo-ldap

> Still good, but then,

> root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold xterm
> xterm set on hold.
> root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
> bash
> dash
> xterm
> root@bamford:/etc#

> Is that expected?

*That* I can reproduce. Interesting.

No, that is not intended. 

This looks like https://bugs.debian.org/892632 "apt: "apt-mark hold"
changes state of unrelated packages" to me.

S!

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/19/2020 02:03 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Dear List Subscribers,


If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:

* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to
remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate
thread)

* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)

* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam

Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).


You specify what "bouncing" is NOT.
More information needed on what it IS.
I'm running SeaMonkey 2.49.4 on Linux.

Re: gedit and kate have window decorations while featherpad and mousepad doesn't

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:10:34AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 04:59:54, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> > 
> > I am on Debian testing (bullseye, fully updated ) and have found some
> > oddities [...]

> The hardware has no concept of window decorations, only pixels and what 
> colour they should have.
> 
> This is more likely related to your window manager (part of your Desktop 
> Environment if you are running one). Please provide more info on this.
> 
> Some (all?) window managers allow removal of window decorations, e.g. by 
> clicking on some control or explicit configuration. If I recall 
> correctly the program itself can also request it.

Besides, "modern" desktop environments are moving to "client-side" window
decorations [1], so maybe even the window manager (or whatever is left of
it) has no say in decorations.

Cheers
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-side_decoration
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Re: gedit and kate have window decorations while featherpad and mousepad doesn't

[shirish शिरीष]

at bottom :-

On 19/04/2020, Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> On Du, 19 apr 20, 04:59:54, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>>
>> I am on Debian testing (bullseye, fully updated ) and have found some
>> oddities . For instance gedit and kate appear smaller but with full
>> window decorations by which I mean the minimize, maximize and close
>> icons on the top left of the application. On the other hand,
>> featherpad and mousepad each doesn't seem to respect the same. The
>> monitor I have is VA2038wm-LED which I bought several years ago -
>
> [snip monitor info]
>
> The hardware has no concept of window decorations, only pixels and what
> colour they should have.
>
> This is more likely related to your window manager (part of your Desktop
> Environment if you are running one). Please provide more info on this.
>
> Some (all?) window managers allow removal of window decorations, e.g. by
> clicking on some control or explicit configuration. If I recall
> correctly the program itself can also request it.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
>

Dear Andrei,
Thank you for answering. I am using Metacity (Marco) WM while using
lightdm as the display manager and running mate in session.

$ wmctrl -m
Name: Metacity (Marco)
Class: N/A
PID: N/A
Window manager's "showing the desktop" mode: N/A

$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
lightdm-xsession

$ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
MATE

Sorry if I didn't gave that info. before as well.  Please let me know
if any more info. is required from my end.

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Re: Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[tomas]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:03:07AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> Dear List Subscribers,
> 
> 
> If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:
> 
> * do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to 
> remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate 
> thread)

Thanks for the reminder...

Cheers
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Re: gedit and kate have window decorations while featherpad and mousepad doesn't

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 19 apr 20, 04:59:54, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> 
> I am on Debian testing (bullseye, fully updated ) and have found some
> oddities . For instance gedit and kate appear smaller but with full
> window decorations by which I mean the minimize, maximize and close
> icons on the top left of the application. On the other hand,
> featherpad and mousepad each doesn't seem to respect the same. The
> monitor I have is VA2038wm-LED which I bought several years ago -

[snip monitor info]
 
The hardware has no concept of window decorations, only pixels and what 
colour they should have.

This is more likely related to your window manager (part of your Desktop 
Environment if you are running one). Please provide more info on this.

Some (all?) window managers allow removal of window decorations, e.g. by 
clicking on some control or explicit configuration. If I recall 
correctly the program itself can also request it.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 19.04.2020 04:55, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> And it isn't even properly coded pgp.  Draw your own conclusions about 
> its veracity. 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
According to news on the Internet these kinds of bait-mail become much
common these days.
Every low-life scumbag is now trying to cash-in on Covid-19 theme.
And this "beggar-mail" is not the worst of them all. These people work
so hard to develop Covid-19 themed malware and cryptolockers, they
register multiple Covid-19 themed domains to spread them, they spam
emails bundled with all sorts of files aiming to exploit computer
systems and often hit hospitals and healthcare sector.
And for what? To get some made up currency which is just numbers and
worth nothing.
If anything, these people will destroy humanity, not Covid-19.

As for Covid-19 vaccine, we are getting there. I know that because for
past month I was running my systems in full power for BOINC project
Rosetta@Home.
Every research task is for Covid-19.
This is what any sane person should do, and not ruin lives of other
people for faux-currenccy.


-- 
With kindest regards, Alexander.

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Kind reminder: please don't reply to and/or quote spam, ever

[Andrei POPESCU]

Dear List Subscribers,


If you want to help (or at least not make it more difficult) please:

* do NOT reply to spam, ever! (this makes it hard or even impossible to 
remove it from the archives, since it is now a part of a legitimate 
thread)

* do NOT quote spam, not even partially (this confuses the filters)

* DO report spam only by bouncing it to report-lists...@lists.debian.org

https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#posting-spam

Note: "bouncing" is also called "redirect" in some mail clients and is 
*not* forwarding (should probably mention this in the wiki).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: apt-mark hold issue (apt Installed: 1.8.2 armhf)

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:43:09 +0100
Michael Howard  wrote:

> On 18/04/2020 21:34, Michael Howard wrote:
> > On 18/04/2020 21:02, Sven Hartge wrote:
(...)
> > Still good, but then,
> >
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark hold xterm
> > xterm set on hold.
> > root@bamford:/etc# apt-mark showhold
> > bash
> > dash
> > xterm
> > root@bamford:/etc#
> >
> > Is that expected?
> 
> Same on stretch.

maybe this is the same as:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892632
?

Regards
Michael



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Re: Best way to install not-last-version package (on Testing)?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Sb, 18 apr 20, 20:19:43, riveravaldez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm in the situation of trying to install 'reportbug' and
> 'virt-manager' (but the question is in general, for any
> package/situation) in Debian Testing and both have dependencies with
> serious bugs which make the installation potentially problematic...
> 
> In a case like this, which would be the best solution?

It depends :)

Is the bug relevant for you? Are there known (suitable) workarounds? 
What benefits does the newer package bring? Is the older package even 
compatible with your other packages (keyword: versioned depends)?

> I thought on installing some near-previous version of both packages,
> but, where can I find those? Is there a Debian Archive of some kind
> for cases like this?

As already mentioned, there is snapshot.debian.org, though the older 
package is not necessarily better, e.g. the bugs might be present in the 
older version as well (the version information in the BTS is not 
necessarily accurate), or the newer package might have fixed other, more 
important (for you) bugs.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: For all specimens of Homo sapiens - about COVID19

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> And it isn't even properly coded pgp.  Draw your own conclusions about
> its veracity.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Gene, you do not have to even have a look at the sig. The subject and first
few sentences are enough.
Funny was the paragraph about "going back to normal". I can tell you now -
there will be no going back to normal for many people on this planet.

I guess for us sitting infront of the PC, only few things changed, but for
the people that got used to flying cheap without a reason, the world is now
upside down and thanks God for that. Only problem - they learn nothing, so
I call for going back to normal and bringing a relief to nature.

regards