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On Jo, 28 mai 20, 01:43:06, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> They are dumb, but the offender apparently has a cracker app on his 
> phone. Changing the simple pw only locks him out for 3 or so minutes.  
> He's a cast iron PITA in person too.

Your router is not configured properly.

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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

On Jo, 28 mai 20, 12:31:33, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 
> > In Debian, there is no such separation.  There are only "packages", and
> > these packages can be essential (what you'd consider part of the base
> > system), or frivolous, or anywhere in between.  The packaging system
> > doesn't *know* which packages you would consider to be keep-worthy and
> > which ones you would consider to be fluff.  Only you would know that.
> 
> I probably know that the packages present at the moment of the first
> boot after installation are essential and keep-worthy. Can I do
> something useful having this knowledge now?

I don't agree. E.g. by default the Debian Installer will install Gnome.  
Does that mean Gnome is keep-worthy, even if I'm using LXDE? And even if 
I do select LXDE instead during the install, there are some components I 
might not need (e.g. I'm currently using xfce4-terminal instead of 
lxterminal).

This is not even considering alternative methods of installation like 
debootstrap. For certain installations I find even the default 
debootstrap installation to be "bloated" and start with 
'--variant=minbase' instead (only 'Priority: required' and apt).  
Apparently 'mmdebstrap' can make even smaller installs.

Then there's also the choice of with or without Recommends, which has 
been debated a lot on this list (please search the archives).

> > So, if you want to put the work in to achieve this goal, you can come
> > up with a set of packages that *you* consider important enough to keep,
> > and then simply purge everything else.
> 
> So there is no software product which would suggest to me packages for
> purging? Maybe even interactively?
> 
> "Package XXX was installed YYY days after the system installation, would
> you like to purge it and its dependencies? (y/n)" 

If packages were installed due to Depends (or Recommends if enabled) apt 
will suggest removing those that are not needed anymore, while obeying 
AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant and AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant (both 
enabled by default).

If you have popularity-contest installed (and enabled?) there is 
popcon-largest-unused. I seem to recall it uses atime, so it might not 
work if you mount your system partition(s) noatime.

Other cleaning options:

aptitude purge '?config-files'
aptitude purge '?garbage'
aptitude purge '?obsolete'

See the aptitude manual for the meaning of these (and many other 
interesting) search patterns.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html

Advanced queries of the dpkg database (locally installed packages) can 
be done with dpkg-query.

Hope this helps,
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Re: waaay offtopic

On Thursday 28 May 2020 01:30:14 Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Jo, 28 mai 20, 00:04:01, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I need to get something here wifi enabled so I don't run my sprint
> > bill up. Just getting the weather does that. I probably need to
> > update my dd-wrt router and enable the wifi in it, but I'll have to
> > set it so the neighbors are locked out, probably by catching this
> > ones MAC and disallowing anything else.
>
> MACs can be cloned (though I doubt your neighbours would do this).
>
I know, I am doing it so I have a fixed inet4 address regardless of which 
router is in service.

> You will get better protection by enabling  WPA2-PSK (pre-shared key),
> with encryption type AES and setting a reasonably long and complicated
> password / phrase.

> Unless you're neighbours are some super-hackers

They are dumb, but the offender apparently has a cracker app on his 
phone. Changing the simple pw only locks him out for 3 or so minutes.  
He's a cast iron PITA in person too.

> there's no real need 
> to go wild here, something like https://xkcd.com/936/ will be more
> than enough (do note the words are *random*). There's xkcdpass in
> Debian and several online password generators inspired by XKCD 936.

I've seen that, great stuff.

> You might want to write the password on a piece of paper to show it to
> guests that you want to grant access.
>
> For additional protection DD-WRT can probably enable a dedicated
> "guest" WiFi. This is useful only if you want to isolate guests from
> the rest of your network while still allowing them to use your
> internet access.

Thats how it works, I can't "see" their traffic until I  get the monthly 
bill.

> Kind regards,
> Andrei


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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

Charles Curley wrote:
> 
> > A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> > unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> > about it, or it falls into disuse...
> 
> You might look into the package debfoster.

Thanks, Charles!

This looks like a very close hit. If I run "debfoster -q" right after
installation, it would probably do what I was asking for.

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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > Victor Sudakov wrote:
> > > In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> > > post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> > > third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> > > (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).
> 
> That's because (Free|Open)BSD has a completely different approach to
> how they develop their operating system.  Under their model, there
> are two completely *separate* parts of the operating system: the base
> system, and packages.  Packages are add-ons that are maintained by a
> separate group.  They're not part of the base system.  They're installed
> in /usr/local, and they're tracked separately.

I know. I've been using FreeBSD for 25 years, since 1.1.5.1 probably.

> 
> In Debian, there is no such separation.  There are only "packages", and
> these packages can be essential (what you'd consider part of the base
> system), or frivolous, or anywhere in between.  The packaging system
> doesn't *know* which packages you would consider to be keep-worthy and
> which ones you would consider to be fluff.  Only you would know that.

I probably know that the packages present at the moment of the first
boot after installation are essential and keep-worthy. Can I do
something useful having this knowledge now?

> 
> So, if you want to put the work in to achieve this goal, you can come
> up with a set of packages that *you* consider important enough to keep,
> and then simply purge everything else.

So there is no software product which would suggest to me packages for
purging? Maybe even interactively?

"Package XXX was installed YYY days after the system installation, would
you like to purge it and its dependencies? (y/n)" 

That would be kinda nice.

> 
> When you break the system, you will get to reinstall from scratch, which
> is what you should have been doing in the first place, if you really want
> to "clean up" a legacy installation.

No, a reinstall from scratch is some Microsoft Windows approach, I'd
refrain from if I possibly can.

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Re: waaay offtopic

On Jo, 28 mai 20, 00:04:01, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I need to get something here wifi enabled so I don't run my sprint 
> bill up. Just getting the weather does that. I probably need to update 
> my dd-wrt router and enable the wifi in it, but I'll have to set it so 
> the neighbors are locked out, probably by catching this ones MAC and 
> disallowing anything else.

MACs can be cloned (though I doubt your neighbours would do this).

You will get better protection by enabling  WPA2-PSK (pre-shared key), 
with encryption type AES and setting a reasonably long and complicated 
password / phrase.

Unless you're neighbours are some super-hackers there's no real need to 
go wild here, something like https://xkcd.com/936/ will be more than 
enough (do note the words are *random*). There's xkcdpass in Debian and 
several online password generators inspired by XKCD 936.

You might want to write the password on a piece of paper to show it to 
guests that you want to grant access.

For additional protection DD-WRT can probably enable a dedicated "guest" 
WiFi. This is useful only if you want to isolate guests from the rest of 
your network while still allowing them to use your internet access.

Kind regards,
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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

songbird wrote:
> >
> > A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> > unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> > about it, or it falls into disuse...
> >
> > In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> > post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> > third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> > (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).
> >
> > What's the procedure for Debian? 
> 
>   i don't think there is any one procedure as there are so
> many different requirements that people can have and the
> size of the installation may be quite different.

As I wrote to Dan, a pristine state could be a list of packages
at the moment of the first boot. Yes, it would be different for
different installations, I don't see it as a major problem.

> 
>   when someone specifies a production system to me that means
> they are likely running stable and not testing or unstable.

Irrelevant for the question.
> 
>   you can find some information about what packages and 
> versions in /var/log/install and /var/log/apt if you've kept
> those files.
> 
>   if as time has been long enough there may be updates from
> the initial installed versions so i don't think you can always
> count on downgrading to work for those.

An automatic tool would be useful to analyze the above. I somehow
expected something like that to exist.

> 
>   if you desire a specific image of a system to always be able
> to boot and work then there would have to be some other way
> to do that IMO.  i have not yet used timeshift as my backup
> and recovery needs are not that great (instead i keep other
> bootable versions available including one on a USB stick).
> 
>   there are other partition copying utilties and schemes that
> can be used, but i've not had to mess with them recently enough.
> a long time ago i was using partclone which did what i needed 
> it to do.

No, backups and images is already a different story. Am I expected to
always manually document somewhere that I installed some bloated piece
of software, just to be able to remove it (and its dependencies) later
when I don't need it?


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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

Dan Ritter wrote:
> Victor Sudakov wrote: 
> > A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> > unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> > about it, or it falls into disuse...
> > 
> > In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> > post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> > third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> > (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).
> > 
> > What's the procedure for Debian? 
> 
> There is no pristine state for Debian. 

There should be, even if this "pristine state" is but a list of packages
at the moment of the first boot.

> Choices made during
> installation affect what the first boot experience looks like.

The first boot experience is what can be called a pristine state. If
something or someone saved that initial list of packages, it could be
called "the pristine state."

For the future, I'll always save the output of "dpkg -l" after the first
boot for later comparison, but I did not expect it was not being done
somewhere automatically already.

[dd]

> 
> /var/lib/apt/lists/* has package information; if you grep for
> Priority: required  you will find packages that *must* be
> installed. The ranking is:
> 
>  required > important > standard > optional > extra

This is interesting. This job of finding "extra" packages installed
since the first boot can probably be done by the user, but I expected
some ready solution to exist.

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Re: waaay offtopic

On Mi, 27 mai 20, 20:12:44, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Hi Gene.
> 
> I've had the same exact model since last September.  Overall it's a good
> phone except my older Motorola could get data and service in places this
> one won't.  Getting used to Android in 2013 had me befuddled for a bit
> but a bit with a tutorial got me going.  My A10e is running Android 9,
> a.k.a. Pie.  One thing I have noticed is that in some settings screens
> at the bottom (might have to scroll by dragging your finger along the
> screen) there are links to related options.

One of the first things I enable on Android phones is:

Accessibility -> Interaction and dexterity -> Answering and ending calls 
and enable:
* Press Home button to answer
(or whatever other button you still have)
* Press Power key to end

I still miss the keyboard on my Nokia E6 though I did eventually get 
used to typing on touch screens. I get better accuracy with Gboard than 
with the default Samsung keyboard, though I'm trying to avoid it for 
privacy reasons.

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Re: waaay offtopic

On Mi, 27 mai 20, 20:50:12, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> 
> I recall some of the early smart phone models having a slide-out
> keyboard, the Blackberry being about the most popular, at least a lot of
> techs where I used to work had them at the time.  I've always been leery
> of putting my phone in my pocket as I figure it is more apt to get a
> cracked screen that way.  I carry it in a case clipped on my belt.

I've been carrying by mobile phones in the back pocket of my jeans since 
they became slim enough to fit (i.e. smartphones) and never cracked a 
screen due to this.

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Re: Can't get started

2020-05-27 Thread David Christensen


On 2020-05-27 21:33, David Christensen wrote:


     debian-10.4.0-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso


Correction:

debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso


David

Re: Can't get started

2020-05-27 Thread David Christensen

On 2020-05-27 17:15, Matthew Campbell wrote:

The netinst CD leaves a lot to be desired. I had to download a nonfree wifi firmware package with
my tablet and install it just to get the Linux system on the laptop to recognize the wifi adapter.
I still can't get the wifi to work which makes installation impossible. Many of the network related
commands do not exist. I cannot just download a package without being able to connect the laptop to
the Internet which is impossible if I can't get a wifi connection. I am using Debian 10.4 Buster on
a laptop that uses an Intel Centrino Duo CPU. My wifi adapter is registering as wlp3s0. Each
"package" to be installed requires the single use of a blank DVD to transfer the file to
Linux. I have a very limited number of blank DVDs. It is up, but down, according to ip addr. It
says no carrier. The wifi is on and available. The signal strength is sufficient. It is presently
offering an open wifi access point. The ssid is correct. How do I fix this? I cannot connect a
phone or any other device to the laptop to help "get it started," nor should I need to.
The netinst CD should have everything a new user could need to get things working.

name=Matthew%20Campbell&email=trenix25%40pm.me

Licensing and philosophical issues cause all kinds of problems for free/
open-source software. The trick is to find another way to accomplish
your goal.

Don't use optical media for "sneaker net", use USB flash drives.

I would try an installer that includes non-free firmware:

https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/

If that doesn't work, the easiest approach would be to buy a USB network
adapter that is supported by the Debian installer, plug it in, do the
install, reboot, and set up Wi-Fi (see below).

Otherwise, the first step is to get Debian installed on the laptop:

1. Use a complete installer image and do an off-network installation:

debian-10.4.0-arm64-xfce-CD-1.iso

2. Pull the HDD/SSD, put it into another computer that has a supported
network interface, and install.

3. Boot a live distribution and clone a Debian system image onto the
HDD/SSD.

Once you have a working Debian installation, follow the Debian Wiki
"WiFi" page:

https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi

David

Re: waaay offtopic

On Wednesday 27 May 2020 21:12:44 Nate Bargmann wrote:

> Hi Gene.
>
> I've had the same exact model since last September.  Overall it's a
> good phone except my older Motorola could get data and service in
> places this one won't.  Getting used to Android in 2013 had me
> befuddled for a bit but a bit with a tutorial got me going.  My A10e
> is running Android 9, a.k.a. Pie.  One thing I have noticed is that in
> some settings screens at the bottom (might have to scroll by dragging
> your finger along the screen) there are links to related options.
>
> Your finger(s) is the mouse.  There are a number of gestures that will
> soon become second nature.  A lot is down by tapping one finger on an
> icon/item or dragging it around the screen.  Zooming out and in is
> usually a thumb and forefinger squeeze together or apart,
> respectively. On some things an additional function is performed by
> pressing and holding on the item (if you have an Elecraft K3 you'll be
> familiar with the concept).
>
> Android doesn't use the left/right swipe gesture as much as Apple iOS,
> but it does for some crucial things like changing from your home
> screen to another screen by swiping on your wall paper.  Also, there
> is a quick menu to various settings and features by dragging down from
> the top of the screen.  Finally, one of the things I was used to on
> the older versions of Android and what I had to enable was leaving the
> "Home bar" on the screen all the time and since I was used to the
> position, setting the back (left) arrow on that bar to the left end of
> it.  Much like Debian there is much to explore and learn.
>
> Typing on the screen is the very slowest thing I do as I want type a
> lot like on a real keyboard.  I have not adapted to thumbs only for
> typing after seven years and I doubt that I ever will.
>
> At the time I considered a Google Pixel but the lack of being able to
> insert a microSD card kept me away.  I don't know if their RF
> capability is better than this Sammy or not.
>
> - Nate

Its different, thats for sure, all I've ever used is a tracfone, hundred 
$ a year model, nothing but a phone. Camera is worthless. My boys have 
all got something like it, but so many buttons along the edge they can't 
call up a pix they want to show me but when I touch it I somehow push a 
button and it all goes away.  So they dig it out again and hold it for 
me. And I was bound that whatever I bought, wasn't going to have all 
those gotcha buttons on the edge.  That leaves the iphones on the 
counter. First thing is apparently a bigger memory card. Getting out the 
eject clip I see an empty hole for a u-sd, so I put a blank 64GB in it. 
It found it on power-up and I made it the default pix storage location. 
But while the cameras both look good I've not taken any rat eradicators 
yet. I need to get something here wifi enabled so I don't run my sprint 
bill up. Just getting the weather does that. I probably need to update 
my dd-wrt router and enable the wifi in it, but I'll have to set it so 
the neighbors are locked out, probably by catching this ones MAC and 
disallowing anything else.  I did have it on so my boys could use it 
when they were here, but found the neighbors were too, to the tune of 
about 100GB a month. So I turned that off, and have done the same with 
the pi4 running my big lathe, the neighbors were using that too.  Now 
I've an excuse to re-enable the radio. And you folks get to see an old 
fart, one whose kids intro as the smartest man in any building he's in, 
drug kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.  I am sure some 
hilarity will ensue.

Thanks Nate.  Stay safe and well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Can't get started

2020-05-27 Thread David Wright

On Thu 28 May 2020 at 00:15:50 (+), Matthew Campbell wrote:
> The netinst CD leaves a lot to be desired. I had to download a nonfree wifi 
> firmware package with my tablet and install it just to get the Linux system 
> on the laptop to recognize the wifi adapter. I still can't get the wifi to 
> work which makes installation impossible. Many of the network related 
> commands do not exist. I cannot just download a package without being able to 
> connect the laptop to the Internet which is impossible if I can't get a wifi 
> connection. I am using Debian 10.4 Buster on a laptop that uses an Intel 
> Centrino Duo CPU. My wifi adapter is registering as wlp3s0. Each "package" to 
> be installed requires the single use of a blank DVD to transfer the file to 
> Linux. I have a very limited number of blank DVDs. It is up, but down, 
> according to ip addr. It says no carrier. The wifi is on and available. The 
> signal strength is sufficient. It is presently offering an open wifi access 
> point. The ssid is correct. How do I fix this? I cannot connect a phone or 
> any other device to the laptop to help "get it started," nor should I need 
> to. The netinst CD should have everything a new user could need to get things 
> working.

If I understand your situation, which I might not, try putting this in
the /etc/network/interfaces file:

allow-hotplug wlp3s0
iface wlp3s0 inet dhcp
  wpa-ssid YOUR-WIFI-SSID
  wpa-psk  YOUR-WIFI-PASSWORD

which may get the wifi working for you. (Reboot if necessary.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Nate Bargmann

* On 2020 27 May 20:33 -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 5/27/20 9:12 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > Typing on the screen is the very slowest thing I do as I want type a lot
> > like on a real keyboard.  I have not adapted to thumbs only for typing
> > after seven years and I doubt that I ever will.
> 
> I hate the glass keyboard. A BT keyboard is cheap
> and works well, and nobody carries them because
> we just want to stick the phones in our pockets.

I recall some of the early smart phone models having a slide-out
keyboard, the Blackberry being about the most popular, at least a lot of
techs where I used to work had them at the time.  I've always been leery
of putting my phone in my pocket as I figure it is more apt to get a
cracked screen that way.  I carry it in a case clipped on my belt.

So far the only cracked screen I've had was due to my old Motorola
dropping about 40 feet down the side of our upright silo hitting a
number of steps on the way down and then the last 15 to 20 feet onto
concrete unimpeded when I was putting an antenna up there.  My brother
had upgraded phones not long before and I was able to rob his old screen
and keep mine going a few more years.  He now has a cheap Motorola that
he got a couple of months after I got this Sammy and it has two cracks
in the screen.  Sigh...

- Nate

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Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Carl Fink


On 5/27/20 9:12 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

Typing on the screen is the very slowest thing I do as I want type a lot
like on a real keyboard.  I have not adapted to thumbs only for typing
after seven years and I doubt that I ever will.


I hate the glass keyboard. A BT keyboard is cheap
and works well, and nobody carries them because
we just want to stick the phones in our pockets.

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Re: Can't get started

2020-05-27 Thread Peter Ehlert


paragraphs, try them.

sorry but I can't follow you, you ave a number of issues and complaints 
mixed together


On 5/27/20 5:15 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
The netinst CD leaves a lot to be desired. I had to download a nonfree 
wifi firmware package with my tablet and install it just to get the 
Linux system on the laptop to recognize the wifi adapter. I still 
can't get the wifi to work which makes installation impossible. Many 
of the network related commands do not exist. I cannot just download a 
package without being able to connect the laptop to the Internet which 
is impossible if I can't get a wifi connection. I am using Debian 10.4 
Buster on a laptop that uses an Intel Centrino Duo CPU. My wifi 
adapter is registering as wlp3s0. Each "package" to be installed 
requires the single use of a blank DVD to transfer the file to Linux. 
I have a very limited number of blank DVDs. It is up, but down, 
according to ip addr. It says no carrier. The wifi is on and 
available. The signal strength is sufficient. It is presently offering 
an open wifi access point. The ssid is correct. How do I fix this? I 
cannot connect a phone or any other device to the laptop to help "get 
it started," nor should I need to. The netinst CD should have 
everything a new user could need to get things working.


name=Matthew%20Campbell&email=trenix25%40pm.me

Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Nate Bargmann

Hi Gene.

I've had the same exact model since last September.  Overall it's a good
phone except my older Motorola could get data and service in places this
one won't.  Getting used to Android in 2013 had me befuddled for a bit
but a bit with a tutorial got me going.  My A10e is running Android 9,
a.k.a. Pie.  One thing I have noticed is that in some settings screens
at the bottom (might have to scroll by dragging your finger along the
screen) there are links to related options.

Your finger(s) is the mouse.  There are a number of gestures that will
soon become second nature.  A lot is down by tapping one finger on an
icon/item or dragging it around the screen.  Zooming out and in is
usually a thumb and forefinger squeeze together or apart, respectively.
On some things an additional function is performed by pressing and
holding on the item (if you have an Elecraft K3 you'll be familiar with
the concept).

Android doesn't use the left/right swipe gesture as much as Apple iOS,
but it does for some crucial things like changing from your home screen
to another screen by swiping on your wall paper.  Also, there is a quick
menu to various settings and features by dragging down from the top of
the screen.  Finally, one of the things I was used to on the older
versions of Android and what I had to enable was leaving the "Home bar"
on the screen all the time and since I was used to the position, setting
the back (left) arrow on that bar to the left end of it.  Much like
Debian there is much to explore and learn.

Typing on the screen is the very slowest thing I do as I want type a lot
like on a real keyboard.  I have not adapted to thumbs only for typing
after seven years and I doubt that I ever will.

At the time I considered a Google Pixel but the lack of being able to
insert a microSD card kept me away.  I don't know if their RF capability
is better than this Sammy or not.

- Nate

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Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Will Mengarini

* Gene Heskett  [20-05/27=We 14:48 -0400]:
> I need [...] to make a video call before the doc will renew the 
> prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD, end stage.

FYI, Medicare and Medicaid now (as of April 30) reimburse audio-only
visits at the same rate as video visits, to address exactly the
problem you're having (technology limiting medication access).

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/finance/cms-announces-pay-parity-audio-only-telephone-visits

Of course that's U.S-only.  I couldn't tell whether you're
in the U.S because right now `whois` is unresponsive.  Also,
other U.S insurance alternatives may not have the same options.

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  better workers.  In turn, our economy benefits.
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KADAN: Doesn't a physician deserve to be compensated for his services?
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Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Curley

On Wed, 27 May 2020 14:48:53 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> I've been forced to buy a smartfone, a galaxy A10e TBE by the medics.
> I need to get it to make a video call before the doc will renew the 
> prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD, end stage.

I'm guessing the medics want a particular video call app. The medics or
the app vendors should have instructions on their respective web sites.

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Re: waaay offtopic (and solved.)

On Wednesday 27 May 2020 14:57:11 Joe wrote:

> On Wed, 27 May 2020 14:48:53 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > I've been forced to buy a smartfone, a galaxy A10e TBE by the
> > medics. I need to get it to make a video call before the doc will
> > renew the prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD,
> > end stage.
> >
> > Has anyone a link to a printable set of operating docs for this? 
> > All I can find are you-tube vids that go by faster than the guys
> > making them can talk, let along actually follow along.
>
> https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/SM-A105FZBUBTU/
>
> Try here. If it's recent, it's probably Android 10, which is model QQ
> in the downloads section. Beware, most Android help on the Net is for
> earlier versions, rarely specified, and 10 is a bit different.

Thanks, a bunch Joe. I found my google-fu was out of spec, but I found 
the real thing when I changed "tutorial" to "printable", and the first 
hit was it.  Just now punched it and put it in a slim 3 ring, 150 some 
pages.  And the doc is busy so I'll have a day or so to study it. 

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Carl Fink


On 5/27/20 2:48 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

I've been forced to buy a smartfone, a galaxy A10e TBE by the medics.
I need to get it to make a video call before the doc will renew the
prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD, end stage.

Has anyone a link to a printable set of operating docs for this?  All I
can find are you-tube vids that go by faster than the guys making them
can talk, let along actually follow along.


https://www.att.com/ecms/dam/att/devicesupport/ATT-A102U-EN-UM-TN-SFG-070319.pdf

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Re: waaay offtopic

2020-05-27 Thread Joe

On Wed, 27 May 2020 14:48:53 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> I've been forced to buy a smartfone, a galaxy A10e TBE by the medics.
> I need to get it to make a video call before the doc will renew the 
> prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD, end stage.
> 
> Has anyone a link to a printable set of operating docs for this?  All
> I can find are you-tube vids that go by faster than the guys making
> them can talk, let along actually follow along.
> 

https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/SM-A105FZBUBTU/

Try here. If it's recent, it's probably Android 10, which is model QQ
in the downloads section. Beware, most Android help on the Net is for
earlier versions, rarely specified, and 10 is a bit different.

-- 
Joe

waaay offtopic

I've been forced to buy a smartfone, a galaxy A10e TBE by the medics.
I need to get it to make a video call before the doc will renew the 
prescription for pro-air thats keeping her alive.  COPD, end stage.

Has anyone a link to a printable set of operating docs for this?  All I 
can find are you-tube vids that go by faster than the guys making them 
can talk, let along actually follow along.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-05-27 Thread Charles Curley

On Wed, 27 May 2020 15:47:00 +0700
Victor Sudakov  wrote:

> A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> about it, or it falls into disuse...

You might look into the package debfoster.

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Re: What Needs to be Done here?

2020-05-27 Thread Martin McCormick

Andrei POPESCU  writes:
> apt(-get) is informing you that a configured repository has changed one
> of its values (in this case the 'Version', but could be any other
> field). This is to provide a safeguard against repositories changing
> values behind your back, possibly with security consequences.
> 
> Just imagine a malicious (or just incompetent) third-party repository
> suddenly claiming to be "buster-security" on a system configured to
> install security updates automatically.

It makes perfect sense to me.  Thanks to all who responded and
the fix worked as previously stated.

Martin McCormick

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-05-27 Thread Greg Wooledge

> Victor Sudakov wrote:
> > In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> > post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> > third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> > (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).

That's because (Free|Open)BSD has a completely different approach to
how they develop their operating system.  Under their model, there
are two completely *separate* parts of the operating system: the base
system, and packages.  Packages are add-ons that are maintained by a
separate group.  They're not part of the base system.  They're installed
in /usr/local, and they're tracked separately.

In Debian, there is no such separation.  There are only "packages", and
these packages can be essential (what you'd consider part of the base
system), or frivolous, or anywhere in between.  The packaging system
doesn't *know* which packages you would consider to be keep-worthy and
which ones you would consider to be fluff.  Only you would know that.

So, if you want to put the work in to achieve this goal, you can come
up with a set of packages that *you* consider important enough to keep,
and then simply purge everything else.

When you break the system, you will get to reinstall from scratch, which
is what you should have been doing in the first place, if you really want
to "clean up" a legacy installation.

Re: Help: External monitor on modern Acer Nitro 5 laptop

2020-05-27 Thread Eric S Fraga

On Monday, 25 May 2020 at 18:54, Sander Marechal wrote:
> Hello all, I am going totally mad trying to get my new laptop working
> properly under Debian.

On my desktop, which has two providers (aka graphics cards), after
asking for help on the 'net, I added this line to my .xsession to get
all my cards & monitors recognized:

xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0

(and don't ask me to explain what this means; it's a magical incantation
that just worked for me).  I don't know how/where you would this in
gnome, mind you.  I don't use desktop environments.

-- 
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Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-05-27 Thread songbird

Victor Sudakov wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> about it, or it falls into disuse...
>
> In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).
>
> What's the procedure for Debian? 

  i don't think there is any one procedure as there are so
many different requirements that people can have and the
size of the installation may be quite different.

  when someone specifies a production system to me that means
they are likely running stable and not testing or unstable.

  you can find some information about what packages and 
versions in /var/log/install and /var/log/apt if you've kept
those files.

  if as time has been long enough there may be updates from
the initial installed versions so i don't think you can always
count on downgrading to work for those.

  if you desire a specific image of a system to always be able
to boot and work then there would have to be some other way
to do that IMO.  i have not yet used timeshift as my backup
and recovery needs are not that great (instead i keep other
bootable versions available including one on a USB stick).

  there are other partition copying utilties and schemes that
can be used, but i've not had to mess with them recently enough.
a long time ago i was using partclone which did what i needed 
it to do.

  songbird

Re: Building Debian

2020-05-27 Thread Dan Ritter

Marek Mosiewicz wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> I have just two core machine, so I can not check it. But what I think
> GNU Make still not spawns only one process when compiling code.
> 
> In fact from my understanding of GCC there is no any objections to
> compile files in parallel. Compiler parses header files independently
> for each compilation unit so there is no any problem to spawn compiler
> on each core.
> 
> So building Debian on AMD Threadripper could be in theory 128 times
> faster.

Sure.

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-7f32-benchmarks-and-review/3/

shows the results of different processors on the task of
building a linux kernel.

make's parallelism can be changed with -j


-dsr-

Re: Return a Debian system to a pristine state

2020-05-27 Thread Dan Ritter

Victor Sudakov wrote: 
> A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
> unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
> about it, or it falls into disuse...
> 
> In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
> post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
> third-party packages added to the base system after installation
> (modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).
> 
> What's the procedure for Debian? 

There is no pristine state for Debian. Choices made during
installation affect what the first boot experience looks like.

apt remove  will uninstall a package.

apt purge will uninstall a package and try to remove any
configuration it has left behind.

dpkg -S  will tell you what package a file belongs
to.

apt-cache rdepends  will tell you what other packages depend on
an installed package.

/var/lib/apt/lists/* has package information; if you grep for
Priority: required  you will find packages that *must* be
installed. The ranking is:

 required > important > standard > optional > extra

-dsr-

Re: Building Debian

2020-05-27 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:27:21AM +0200, Marek Mosiewicz wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have just two core machine, so I can not check it. But what I think
> GNU Make still not spawns only one process when compiling code.
> 
> In fact from my understanding of GCC there is no any objections to
> compile files in parallel. Compiler parses header files independently
> for each compilation unit so there is no any problem to spawn compiler
> on each core.
> 
> So building Debian on AMD Threadripper could be in theory 128 times
> faster.
> 
It isn't clear precisely what you are asking.  However, in general, GNU
make (and every other modern build system) allows you to specify a
parallelism level.  You can also use distributed compilers like icecc or
distcc to accomplish something similar.

However, note that from a theoretical perspective, achieving perfectly
parallel performance is practically impossible.  Suppose that you have a
build that contains 100 source files (50 .h files and 50 .c files) and
produces a single shared library.  

Header precompilation might be parallelizable to 50 threads and .c file
compilation might also be parallelizable to 50 threads in this case.
However, some .c files will have to wait on some .h files, based on the
project's dependencies, all of the files must be read from secondary
storage into RAM (don't forget about threads waiting on the system disk
to read/write), and at the end the linking step can only be performed in
a single thread.  A speedup of 25x in that case might be extraordinarily
good.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Return a Debian system to a pristine state

Dear Colleagues,

A production system, especially a desktop system, tends to accumulate
unnecessary packages. Users install software for testing, then forget
about it, or it falls into disuse...

In FreeBSD, you can always run "pkg delete -a" and return to the
post-install state (well, almost). This command will remove all the
third-party packages added to the base system after installation
(modified files under /usr/local/ will remain).

What's the procedure for Debian? 

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Building Debian

2020-05-27 Thread Marek Mosiewicz

Hello,

I have just two core machine, so I can not check it. But what I think
GNU Make still not spawns only one process when compiling code.

In fact from my understanding of GCC there is no any objections to
compile files in parallel. Compiler parses header files independently
for each compilation unit so there is no any problem to spawn compiler
on each core.

So building Debian on AMD Threadripper could be in theory 128 times
faster.

Marek.

Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

On Mi, 27 mai 20, 02:12:34, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Actually, my email address has been down since last Tuesday, only fully
> returning yesterday.  Meaning that for all that time bounces to the list
> would  get counted for my address.  Got this very e-mail several hours ago.
> Kare

If I understand correctly this is exactly what this check was designed 
for.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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