Re: The strange case of sudo segfaulting on exit

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 05 mai 21, 00:37:50, Rich wrote:
> 
> $ sudo -i
> # cp /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 /tmp/
> # cp /tmp/libz.so.1.2.11 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11
> # exit
> logout
> Segmentation fault
> $

Perhaps a naive question from my side, but why do you expect this to 
just work?
 
> The behavior in question is not specific to libz.so.1.2.11 somehow,
> that was just a convenient example - I originally encountered this
> when I was iterating on development of a different library by cping
> the recompiled library over and wondering why my sudo cp [...]
> segfaulted after completion. (Said software I was working on has never
> been installed on the KVM VM, so I think it's safe to say that it's
> unrelated to the problem.)

As a general recommendation locally (re-)compiled stuff should go to 
/usr/local, for a good reason.

Please provide more details on exactly what your original goal is and 
what you tried in order to achieve it.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Kushal Kumaran wrote:

> The manpage at
> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/iwatch/iwatch.1.en.html
> shows log output similar to what you see. Check your iwatch
> configuration and see what it is doing.

Thanks, but I've never heard of iwatch, so I haven't mucked
around with its config file. But OK, here it is





  
  
Operating System

/bin
/sbin
/etc
/lib
/lib/modules
  


Does that say anything to you?

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The strange case of sudo segfaulting on exit

[Rich]

Hi all,
reportbug pointed me here because I wasn't sure where to file this
bug. I'll start by summarizing the observed behavior, and then go into
more detail below.

If anyone can suggest further debugging steps to take (or where to
direct a bug report), I'd be grateful. :)

$ sudo -i
# cp /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11 /tmp/
# cp /tmp/libz.so.1.2.11 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.11
# exit
logout
Segmentation fault
$

I first encountered this behavior on a Debian bullseye VM running in
VirtualBox on a non-ECC (Intel Coffee Lake) host. I then created an
entirely new Debian bullseye VM from install media [1] on another
ECC-having (Intel Broadwell) host using KVM, and reproduced this
behavior. So if it's a bug in virtualization software, it's not just
one implementation.

The segfault in question does not occur if a cp is not performed to
one of a number of possible library files in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ -
it does not appear to be all of them, as I tested with libanl-2.31.so
and it did not cause a segfault on exit, but I do not know what the
requirements are.

The behavior in question is not specific to libz.so.1.2.11 somehow,
that was just a convenient example - I originally encountered this
when I was iterating on development of a different library by cping
the recompiled library over and wondering why my sudo cp [...]
segfaulted after completion. (Said software I was working on has never
been installed on the KVM VM, so I think it's safe to say that it's
unrelated to the problem.)

I also reproduced this behavior on a CentOS 8 VM running on the same
aforementioned VirtualBox host, but not a Debian buster VM on same.

The behavior persists across cold and warm power cycles of the VM.

While experimenting with someone in #debian, I tried installing sudo
from experimental, and it still died the same way.

I quickly tried building sudo from buster on bullseye, and it still
dies the same way as well.

"debsums" reports nothing but "OK" on either bullseye VM.

Curiously, "su - root -c 'cp [...]'" segfaults on the VirtualBox VM
but not the KVM VM.

Thanks,
- Rich

[1] - debian-bullseye-DI-alpha3-amd64-netinst.iso, if curious

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 May 2021 at 04:39:21 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> 
> > might help determine why you installed iwatch.
> 
> Oh, so I did?
> 
> Well then, I'll just remove it!

Myself, I find inotify-tools more useful: I use inotifywait in a loop,
waiting for a browser to close files in its cache. I then examine
their filetype and copy the ones I want, giving them sensible
(timestamp) names. Very useful for capturing (typically, live) video.

But I can see the usefulness of iwatch if you're maintaining a
website or a server farm, as in their examples. (My random collection
of PCs only constitutes a smallholding.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Ghost cronjob

[David Wright]

On Tue 04 May 2021 at 22:20:14 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 04 mai 21, 19:50:27, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > David Wright  writes:
> > > On Tue 04 May 2021 at 17:06:50 (+0200), Mart van de Wege wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Surely packaging a system timer file like that should not be done? It
> > >> should be at the discretion of the admin to create one if they want to
> > >> run btrbk on a schedule.
> > >
> > > I think this has been discussed in the past, and that installing a
> > > package is generally seen as meaning that you want it to run: Debian
> > > therefore tries to supply a reasonable and secure configuration.
> > >
> > But that's not applicable in this case. btrbk can be run standalone or
> > from a cronjob/timer, but the exact time someone wants to run their
> > backups, or even if they want them run periodically at all, is not a
> > decision you can make for them.
> > 
> > Of course an argument can be made that without edits to the default
> > btrbk.conf file btrbk won't run anyway, so configuring the timer is part
> > of configuring your backup strategy. I still think that supplying a
> > system timer is wrong here.
> 
> Feel free to contact the Maintainer about it.
> 
> In any case, it probably makes sense to at least mention this in 
> NEWS.Debian, especially if the package previously shipped a cron job.

AIUI the version in stretch is Debian's first appearance, so it came
with systemd rather than cron.

Reading README.md,

   "btrbk is designed to run as a cron job for triggering periodic
snapshots and backups, as well as from the command line (e.g. for
instantly creating additional snapshots)"

I would have thought that btrbk was really designed for frequent and
regular backups, eg even hourly (hence all the discussion about
timestamps, and how they interact with timezones and with concurrent
daily backups). Wouldn't that make a systemd timer a reasonable
default to supply. After all, it's easy to override it with

  # ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/system/btrbk.service

Cheers,
David.

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Emanuel Berg]

>> The "IN_" prefix tells you that this is an inotify event.
>> IN_CLOSE_WRITE fires when a process _had_ the specified
>> file open for writing, but has just closed it. Perhaps you
>> have an "incron" job somewhere?
>
> I have cron do two very short scripts every @midnight, these
> run fine individually and I've not experienced any problems
> at 00:00 so I take it they run fine there as well.
>
> Other than that I have not fiddled with cronjobs at all,
> I think. (?)

No one has any clue how to debug this? Really?

How about directing all them mails to /dev/disintegrate then?

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Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[David Wright]

On Wed 05 May 2021 at 03:11:53 (+0200), Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> 
> > The manpage at
> > https://manpages.debian.org/buster/iwatch/iwatch.1.en.html
> > shows log output similar to what you see. Check your iwatch
> > configuration and see what it is doing.
> 
> Thanks, but I've never heard of iwatch, so I haven't mucked
> around with its config file. But OK, here it is

[ … configuration … ]

> Does that say anything to you?

It looks reasonable for determining whether your system files are
being interfered with. But you just showed one example from the
log, which was for the /etc/.pwd.lock lockfile. I assume you don't
have 2757 of these but, rather, the names of an assortment of files.

So—you're interfering with the system, by installing, removing and
reconfiguring software; people are changing their passwords, and
so on.

You might be able to correlate the timestamps of some of the changes
being made with those in logs like /var/log/apt/history*, which
shows software upgrades.

/etc/.pwd.lock is probably not a good example, as it's opened for
writing but not written to. On my system, it's the 3rd-oldest
file modification in /etc (after /etc/{shells,environment} and
before /etc/{adduser.conf,machine-id}).

BTW,

  $ aptitude why iwatch

or

  $ zgrep -B1 iwatch /var/log/apt/history.log*

might help determine why you installed iwatch.

Cheers,
David.

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, May 05, 2021 at 03:11:53AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Kushal Kumaran wrote:
> > The manpage at
> > https://manpages.debian.org/buster/iwatch/iwatch.1.en.html
> > shows log output similar to what you see. Check your iwatch
> > configuration and see what it is doing.
> 
> Thanks, but I've never heard of iwatch, so I haven't mucked
> around with its config file. But OK, here it is
> 
>   
> /etc

> Does that say anything to you?

It says that it's watching /etc.  Which is where your file is.  No
surprises here so far.

What you really should be asking is, "What process is using this file,
and why don't I know about it?"

Googling for the file name turns up this:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/07/msg02949.html

  The lckpwdf() and ulckpwdf() functions enable modification access to the
  password databases through the lock file. A process first uses lckpwdf() to
  lock the lock file, thereby gaining exclusive rights to modify the
  /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow password database. (See "passwd"  and "shadow" man
  pages.)

  Upon completing modifications, a process should release the lock on the lock
  file using ulckpwdf(). This mechanism prevents simultaneous modification of
  the password databases. The lock file, /etc/.pwd.lock, is used to coordinate
  modification access to the password databases /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.

So, as one might expect just from the file name, it's a lock file for
the passwd file.

Again, the real question is: What process is touching your passwd file
at this time, and why don't you know about it?

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Kushal Kumaran]

On Tue, May 04 2021 at 11:11:02 AM, Emanuel Berg  wrote:
> Darac Marjal wrote:
>
>> The "IN_" prefix tells you that this is an inotify event.
>> IN_CLOSE_WRITE fires when a process _had_ the specified file
>> open for writing, but has just closed it. Perhaps you have
>> an "incron" job somewhere?
>
> I have cron do two very short scripts every @midnight, these
> run fine individually and I've not experienced any problems at
> 00:00 so I take it they run fine there as well.
>
> Other than that I have not fiddled with cronjobs at all,
> I think. (?)
>
> This is what 'ps -e' tells me:
>
>  9 ~/ppl/mats ps -e
> PID TTY  TIME CMD
> ... snip
>1149 ?00:00:00 iwatch
> ... snip

The manpage at
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/iwatch/iwatch.1.en.html shows log
output similar to what you see.  Check your iwatch configuration and see
what it is doing.

-- 
regards,
kushal

Re: redimensionar particion

[Lic. Domingo Varela Yahuitl]

Tu sistema usa o está instalado bajo lvm o btrfs, lo puedes hacer sin problema 
mucho más fácil...

---

Saludos cordiales

Domingo Varela Y.



From: Marcelo Eduardo Giordano 
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 4:49:44 PM
To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org 
Subject: Re: redimensionar particion


El 4/5/21 a las 18:45, JavierDebian escribió:
>
>
> El 4/5/21 a las 17:50, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano escribió:
>> Hola amigos.
>>
>> Tengo las siguientes particiones
>>
>> sda1 /
>>
>> sin asignar
>>
>> sda2 swap
>>
>> sda3 /boot
>>
>> sda4 /home
>>
>>
>> y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home.
>> Intenté arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa
>> unidad. Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.
>>
>> Gracias
>>
> Vayamos por parte.
> ¿Se puede hacer? Sí, se puede hacer.
> ¿Es recomendable? NO, NO ES RECOMENDABLE.
>
> Primero, cómo se hace.
>
> No se puede hacer con los discos montados. Por lo que veo, ese es tu
> sistema funcionando.
> Con un CD-Live (https://www.system-rescue.org/) se inicia el equipo, y
> se ejecuta gparted.
>
> Se mueve sda2 para que ocupe el lugar libre (no es peligroso).
> Se mueve sda3 para que ocupe el lugar libre (si hay problemas, se
> arregla fácil).
> Se expande sda4 para que ocupe el lugar libre. Esto, es peligroso, no
> tiene garantías de que funcione; puede fallar, y perderás tus datos.
>
> Mi recomendación:
> Haz una copia de los datos de /home en OTRO disco.
> Limpia el disco, haz una instalación nueva con el tamaño que quieras,
> con la geometría que quieras.
> Recupera la /home.
>
> Segundo, ¿tienes realmente un problema?
>
> ¿qué espacio tiene ese sector "sin asignar", y cuánto representa del
> total del disco?
>
> Si me dices que son 100GB de un disco de 500GB, te diré que es un
> desperdicio, y tienes un problema
>
> Si me dices que son 10GB de un disco de 2TB, dejalo así, no es un
> problema.
>
> JAP

Si, me parece que no es tanto problema. En realidad es una partición de
14 Gb en un disco de 120Gb SSD.

Me parece que lo voy a usar como partición de datos y listo.

Es muy buena tu opinión. La voy a seguir. No quiero arriesgarme por unos
Gigas.

Seguramente cuando salga Debian 12 limpiaré todo. jajajjaa, voy a tener
que esperar

Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

[Felmon Davis]

On Tue, 4 May 2021, deloptes wrote:


Felmon Davis wrote:


you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
at 


this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
where someone comments on the video is there


I got intrigued (and again apologies for my error!) and weird but I 
found it here: .


I'm pretty sure it's the right video but check.

also I wonder if the link will work for you.

f.

--
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

[David]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 18:17, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:

> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is 
> it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Hi. Even though this list is extraordinarily helpful, please don't have
conversations here that are entirely unrelated to Debian.

You could ask questions about microphone technique on
  linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org
which is also very helpful with many knowledgeable readers responding.

And I see you were active on that list recently, so perhaps you accidentally
sent this question to the wrong list?

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:14:45PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> ...and buster. It's exim4.service as stated by:
>  systemctl --type=service | grep exim

According to packages.debian.org[1] there is no such file in any
package.

Of course, that's not proof of the nonexistence of such a file, because
it might have been created by some postinst script.  In theory.

Could you kindly tell us what "systemctl status exim4.service" says
on this buster machine of yours?  Perhaps your command is turning up
one of the automatically converted init.d scripts.  If so, this will
be made clear in the systemctl status report.

It would also be helpful to know which of the multiple different exim4
package sets you're working with.  Perhaps this alleged exim4.service
comes from the -heavy daemon package.  All I can tell you is that on
the buster system that I checked, which is using the exim4-daemon-light
package, there is *no* exim4.service, but there *is* an init.d script,
and systemctl status exim4 shows this plainly.

[1] 
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents=exim4.service=exactfilename=stable=any

Re: how to prevent sleeping when sitting at the login screen?

[Christian Groessler]

On 5/3/21 7:57 PM, Floris Renaud wrote:

Christian Groessler schreef op 2021-05-03 19:19:

Hi,

where is the setting where one can disable sleeping when the computer
is at the login prompt?

I found the setting for my user, and for root, but not for "login 
screen".


I'm using gdm3.

regards,
chris


You can find these options in /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults

For example:

...
# Automatic suspend
# =
[org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power]
# - Time inactive in seconds before suspending with AC power
#   1200=20 minutes, 0=never
sleep-inactive-ac-timeout=0
# - What to do after sleep-inactive-ac-timeout
#   'blank', 'suspend', 'shutdown', 'hibernate', 'interactive' or 
'nothing'

sleep-inactive-ac-type='nothing'
# - As above but when on battery
# sleep-inactive-battery-timeout=1200
# sleep-inactive-battery-type='suspend'

---
Floris



Thanks! Changing that file worked.

regards,
chris

Re: redimensionar particion

[Marcelo Eduardo Giordano]

El 4/5/21 a las 18:45, JavierDebian escribió:



El 4/5/21 a las 17:50, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano escribió:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. 
Intenté arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa 
unidad. Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.


Gracias


Vayamos por parte.
¿Se puede hacer? Sí, se puede hacer.
¿Es recomendable? NO, NO ES RECOMENDABLE.

Primero, cómo se hace.

No se puede hacer con los discos montados. Por lo que veo, ese es tu 
sistema funcionando.
Con un CD-Live (https://www.system-rescue.org/) se inicia el equipo, y 
se ejecuta gparted.


Se mueve sda2 para que ocupe el lugar libre (no es peligroso).
Se mueve sda3 para que ocupe el lugar libre (si hay problemas, se 
arregla fácil).
Se expande sda4 para que ocupe el lugar libre. Esto, es peligroso, no 
tiene garantías de que funcione; puede fallar, y perderás tus datos.


Mi recomendación:
Haz una copia de los datos de /home en OTRO disco.
Limpia el disco, haz una instalación nueva con el tamaño que quieras, 
con la geometría que quieras.

Recupera la /home.

Segundo, ¿tienes realmente un problema?

¿qué espacio tiene ese sector "sin asignar", y cuánto representa del 
total del disco?


Si me dices que son 100GB de un disco de 500GB, te diré que es un 
desperdicio, y tienes un problema


Si me dices que son 10GB de un disco de 2TB, dejalo así, no es un 
problema.


JAP


Si, me parece que no es tanto problema. En realidad es una partición de 
14 Gb en un disco de 120Gb SSD.


Me parece que lo voy a usar como partición de datos y listo.

Es muy buena tu opinión. La voy a seguir. No quiero arriesgarme por unos 
Gigas.


Seguramente cuando salga Debian 12 limpiaré todo. jajajjaa, voy a tener 
que esperar

Re: redimensionar particion

[JavierDebian]

El 4/5/21 a las 17:50, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano escribió:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté 
arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. 
Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.


Gracias


Vayamos por parte.
¿Se puede hacer? Sí, se puede hacer.
¿Es recomendable? NO, NO ES RECOMENDABLE.

Primero, cómo se hace.

No se puede hacer con los discos montados. Por lo que veo, ese es tu 
sistema funcionando.
Con un CD-Live (https://www.system-rescue.org/) se inicia el equipo, y 
se ejecuta gparted.


Se mueve sda2 para que ocupe el lugar libre (no es peligroso).
Se mueve sda3 para que ocupe el lugar libre (si hay problemas, se 
arregla fácil).
Se expande sda4 para que ocupe el lugar libre. Esto, es peligroso, no 
tiene garantías de que funcione; puede fallar, y perderás tus datos.


Mi recomendación:
Haz una copia de los datos de /home en OTRO disco.
Limpia el disco, haz una instalación nueva con el tamaño que quieras, 
con la geometría que quieras.

Recupera la /home.

Segundo, ¿tienes realmente un problema?

¿qué espacio tiene ese sector "sin asignar", y cuánto representa del 
total del disco?


Si me dices que son 100GB de un disco de 500GB, te diré que es un 
desperdicio, y tienes un problema


Si me dices que son 10GB de un disco de 2TB, dejalo así, no es un problema.

JAP

Re: redimensionar particion

[Walter Osoria]

Creo que con gparted podrías expandir una partición desde otra sin asignar

El mar., 4 may. 2021 17:51, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano <
marcelogiord...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Hola amigos.
>
> Tengo las siguientes particiones
>
> sda1 /
>
> sin asignar
>
> sda2 swap
>
> sda3 /boot
>
> sda4 /home
>
>
> y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté
> arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad.
> Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.
>
> Gracias
>
>

Re: redimensionar particion

[Marcelo Eduardo Giordano]

El 4/5/21 a las 18:16, Parodper escribió:

O 04/05/21 ás 23:07, Roberto C. Sánchez escribiu:
On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 05:50:29PM -0300, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano 
wrote:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté
arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. 
Debe

ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.

Marcelo, para agregarle espacio al sda4, el espacio sin asignar tiene
que quedar contiguo con sda4.  No das los parametros especificos de tu
caso (la geometría del disco y de las particiones), pero me luce que el
espacio sin asignar no queda así.  Si el tamaño del espacio sin asignar
es pequeño, lo mejor es quizás ignorarlo.  Si el espacio es de tamaño
que no puedes dejarlo sin usar, entonces se te hace complicado. ¿Te
sirve extendar al sda1 para ampliar a /?  Eso sería comparativamente
sencillo.

Saludos,

-Roberto


Otra opción es mover las particiones. Yo con el GParted no he tenido 
problemas por ahora, pero haz copias de la tabla de partición y de los 
discos por si las moscas.

Que sería "mover las particiones". En el Gparted no veo esa opción

Re: Ben alors là ! Vla t'y pas qu'on peut acheter du matos sans OS chez Lenovo !

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le mardi 04 mai 2021, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit...


> Tu utilises quelle carte graphique ? Parce que un blocage de X peut aussi 
> venir
> de celle-ci ...

Un truc de base GeForce GT 710 je crois.
Je n'ai pas de gros besoins en affichage.
De plus, ça n'arrivait pas avec le Ryzen 5 (après protection contre le bug
concernant le freeze lié à l'état C6). Donc j'en déduis, la machine étant
identique, que c'est lié au nouveau Ryzen 7.

-- 
jm

Re: redimensionar particion

[Marcelo Eduardo Giordano]

El 4/5/21 a las 17:57, jordi P. escribió:

On 4/5/21 22:50, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano wrote:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. 
Intenté arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa 
unidad. Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.


Gracias



Me parece que el espacio libre tendria que estar a continuación de sd4.
Tal y como lo tienes solo lo puedes añadir a sda1


Si efectivamente. Y no está a continuación

Re: redimensionar particion

[Parodper]

O 04/05/21 ás 23:07, Roberto C. Sánchez escribiu:

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 05:50:29PM -0300, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano wrote:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté
arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. Debe
ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.

Marcelo, para agregarle espacio al sda4, el espacio sin asignar tiene
que quedar contiguo con sda4.  No das los parametros especificos de tu
caso (la geometría del disco y de las particiones), pero me luce que el
espacio sin asignar no queda así.  Si el tamaño del espacio sin asignar
es pequeño, lo mejor es quizás ignorarlo.  Si el espacio es de tamaño
que no puedes dejarlo sin usar, entonces se te hace complicado.  ¿Te
sirve extendar al sda1 para ampliar a /?  Eso sería comparativamente
sencillo.

Saludos,

-Roberto


Otra opción es mover las particiones. Yo con el GParted no he tenido 
problemas por ahora, pero haz copias de la tabla de partición y de los 
discos por si las moscas.

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Joe]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 18:27:57 +0100
Joe  wrote:

> On Tue, 4 May 2021 13:15:51 -0400
> Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:03:43AM -0700, John Conover wrote:  
> > > That was the question, Greg:
> > > 
> > > "Searching for exim in
> > > /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> > > /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
> > > 
> > > so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?)
> > 
> > So... I looked around for a buster system with exim.  It looks like
> > exim on buster was never converted to a systemd startup.  It's still
> > using legacy /etc/init.d/exim4 which is a big ol' honkin' script.
> > 
> > So, you need to apply sysv-rc methods to work with it.  Normally
> > this means you cd into /etc/rc2.d and rename the S* symlink so that
> > it won't start up.
> >   
> 
> It's a systemd service on stretch and sid.
> 

...and buster. It's exim4.service as stated by:
 systemctl --type=service | grep exim

-- 
Joe

Re: redimensionar particion

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 05:50:29PM -0300, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano wrote:
> Hola amigos.
> 
> Tengo las siguientes particiones
> 
> sda1 /
> 
> sin asignar
> 
> sda2 swap
> 
> sda3 /boot
> 
> sda4 /home
> 
> 
> y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté
> arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. Debe
> ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.
> 
Marcelo, para agregarle espacio al sda4, el espacio sin asignar tiene
que quedar contiguo con sda4.  No das los parametros especificos de tu
caso (la geometría del disco y de las particiones), pero me luce que el
espacio sin asignar no queda así.  Si el tamaño del espacio sin asignar
es pequeño, lo mejor es quizás ignorarlo.  Si el espacio es de tamaño
que no puedes dejarlo sin usar, entonces se te hace complicado.  ¿Te
sirve extendar al sda1 para ampliar a /?  Eso sería comparativamente
sencillo.

Saludos,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: redimensionar particion

[jordi P.]

On 4/5/21 22:50, Marcelo Eduardo Giordano wrote:

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté 
arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. 
Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.


Gracias



Me parece que el espacio libre tendria que estar a continuación de sd4.
Tal y como lo tienes solo lo puedes añadir a sda1

--
Jordi

redimensionar particion

[Marcelo Eduardo Giordano]

Hola amigos.

Tengo las siguientes particiones

sda1 /

sin asignar

sda2 swap

sda3 /boot

sda4 /home


y quiero reasignar ese espacio "sin asignar" a sda4 que /home. Intenté 
arrancar el sistema desde un live y no puedo asignarlo a esa unidad. 
Debe ser una tontería pero no lo sé hacer.


Gracias

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 01:46:29PM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> 
> Try:
> 
> man update-rc.d
> man 8 update-rc.d
> 

Please stop top-posting, and please reply to the list.


> Greg Wooledge writes:
> > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 01:27:56PM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> > > As per the man page for System V init, to disable launching of exim:
> > > 
> > > update-rc.d -f exim remove
> > 
> > What man page is this allegedly from, exactly?

unicorn:~$ man update-rc.d | grep exim
unicorn:~$ man 8 update-rc.d | grep exim
unicorn:~$ 

I asked what man page it's from, because whatever man page is saying
that the name of the init.d script for exim4 is "exim" needs to be
fixed.  It's obviously "exim4", and a competent sysadmin would verify
this by LOOKING IN THE DIRECTORY.

But I'm getting the impression that this is *not* in fact a direct quote
from any Debian man page, but rather, a failed assumption on the part of
the OP.

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 01:27:56PM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> As per the man page for System V init, to disable launching of exim:
> 
> update-rc.d -f exim remove

What man page is this allegedly from, exactly?

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[John Conover]

For the archives, this issue was created by looking for penetration
vulnerabilities during the boot of a Debian Buster machine using
tcpdump(1) on a machine between Buster, and the it's Internet facing
router.

There was exim traffic when exim boots, but exim was SUPPOSED to be
disabled during boot by policy.

As per the man page for System V init, to disable launching of exim:

update-rc.d -f exim remove

which would be (re-)enabled with:

update-rc.d -f exim defaults

which installs the ln -s files in /etc/rc*.d, as appropriate.

The correct command on Buster is:

update-rc.d -f exim4 remove

It was discovered during routine security audit of iptables(1)
configuration, (specifically, IPv6.)

John

john doe writes:
> On 5/4/2021 7:28 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> > Le 04/05/2021 à 19:26, Joe a écrit :
> >> On Tue, 4 May 2021 10:03:43 -0700
> >> cono...@rahul.net (John Conover) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greg Wooledge writes:
>  On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> > Searching for exim in
> > /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> > /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.
> >
> > How do I stop exim from launching across boots?
>  Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will
>  want to disable it.
> 
> >>> That was the question, Greg:
> >>>
> >>>  "Searching for exim in
> >>>  /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> >>>  /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
> >>>
> >>> so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?) Or, maybe,
> >>> it is under /etc/init.d/exim4, which failed to work, so, I was looking
> >>> into the systemd control files.
> >>>
> >> Try exim4.service
> >>
> > apt-file tells me trhere is a exim4-base.service (from package exim4-base)
> >
> 
> You could look in the log for the service name then do 'systemctl
> disable '.
> 
> I just want to mention 'inserv' but you should use systemd.
> 
> --
> John Doe

-- 

John Conover, cono...@rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/

Re: Bullseye police des menus

[Georges]

Le Tue, 04 May 2021 21:21:21 +0200,

GP a écrit :

> Le mardi 04 mai 2021 à 21:16 +0200, Georges a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> >  J'ai installé Bullseye sur un portable neuf sans OS pré installé.
> > 
> >  J'ai bataillé avec UEFI et rEFInd mais en interrogeant internet j'y
> >  suis arrivé. Comment ? J'en ai tellement fais que ma tête n'a pas
> > tout retenu ;-) .
> > 
> >  Il me reste un soucis. La taille de la police des menus des
> >  applications est illisible. Les polices dans les applications se
> >  manipulent correctement.
> > 
> >  Qui aurait une idée pour modifier la police des menus des
> >  applications.
> > 
> >  La définition courante est 1368x768. Même en essayant d'autres
> >  définitions d'écran, même problème.
> > 
> >  Merci d'avance pour vos suggestions 
> > 
> > Georges 
> > 
> 
> Quel est le gestionnaire de bureau utilisé ?
> 
> Gaëtan

 J'utilise depuis Weezi Jessie Stretch Buster icewm sans ce problème.

  Merci d'essayer de m'aider

Georges

Re: Bullseye police des menus

[Georges]

Le Tue, 04 May 2021 21:21:21 +0200,

GP a écrit :

> Le mardi 04 mai 2021 à 21:16 +0200, Georges a écrit :
> > Bonjour,
> > 
> >  J'ai installé Bullseye sur un portable neuf sans OS pré installé.
> > 
> >  J'ai bataillé avec UEFI et rEFInd mais en interrogeant internet j'y
> >  suis arrivé. Comment ? J'en ai tellement fais que ma tête n'a pas
> > tout retenu ;-) .
> > 
> >  Il me reste un soucis. La taille de la police des menus des
> >  applications est illisible. Les polices dans les applications se
> >  manipulent correctement.
> > 
> >  Qui aurait une idée pour modifier la police des menus des
> >  applications.
> > 
> >  La définition courante est 1368x768. Même en essayant d'autres
> >  définitions d'écran, même problème.
> > 
> >  Merci d'avance pour vos suggestions 
> > 
> > Georges 
> > 
> 
> Quel est le gestionnaire de bureau utilisé ?
> 
> Gaëtan

   J'utilise depuis Weezi Jessie Stretch Buster icewm sans ce problème.

  Merci d'essayer de m'aider

Georges

Re: Bullseye police des menus

[Gaëtan Perrier]

Le mardi 04 mai 2021 à 21:16 +0200, Georges a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
>  J'ai installé Bullseye sur un portable neuf sans OS pré installé.
> 
>  J'ai bataillé avec UEFI et rEFInd mais en interrogeant internet j'y
>  suis arrivé. Comment ? J'en ai tellement fais que ma tête n'a pas tout
>  retenu ;-) .
> 
>  Il me reste un soucis. La taille de la police des menus des
>  applications est illisible. Les polices dans les applications se
>  manipulent correctement.
> 
>  Qui aurait une idée pour modifier la police des menus des
>  applications.
> 
>  La définition courante est 1368x768. Même en essayant d'autres
>  définitions d'écran, même problème.
> 
>  Merci d'avance pour vos suggestions 
> 
> Georges 
> 

Quel est le gestionnaire de bureau utilisé ?

Gaëtan


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Re: Ghost cronjob

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 04 mai 21, 19:50:27, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> David Wright  writes:
> 
> > On Tue 04 May 2021 at 17:06:50 (+0200), Mart van de Wege wrote:
> >> 
> >> Surely packaging a system timer file like that should not be done? It
> >> should be at the discretion of the admin to create one if they want to
> >> run btrbk on a schedule.
> >
> > I think this has been discussed in the past, and that installing a
> > package is generally seen as meaning that you want it to run: Debian
> > therefore tries to supply a reasonable and secure configuration.
> >
> But that's not applicable in this case. btrbk can be run standalone or
> from a cronjob/timer, but the exact time someone wants to run their
> backups, or even if they want them run periodically at all, is not a
> decision you can make for them.
> 
> Of course an argument can be made that without edits to the default
> btrbk.conf file btrbk won't run anyway, so configuring the timer is part
> of configuring your backup strategy. I still think that supplying a
> system timer is wrong here.

Feel free to contact the Maintainer about it.

In any case, it probably makes sense to at least mention this in 
NEWS.Debian, especially if the package previously shipped a cron job.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Bullseye police des menus

[Georges]

Bonjour,

 J'ai installé Bullseye sur un portable neuf sans OS pré installé.

 J'ai bataillé avec UEFI et rEFInd mais en interrogeant internet j'y
 suis arrivé. Comment ? J'en ai tellement fais que ma tête n'a pas tout
 retenu ;-) .

 Il me reste un soucis. La taille de la police des menus des
 applications est illisible. Les polices dans les applications se
 manipulent correctement.

 Qui aurait une idée pour modifier la police des menus des
 applications.

 La définition courante est 1368x768. Même en essayant d'autres
 définitions d'écran, même problème.

 Merci d'avance pour vos suggestions 

Georges 

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[john doe]

On 5/4/2021 7:28 PM, Erwan David wrote:

Le 04/05/2021 à 19:26, Joe a écrit :

On Tue, 4 May 2021 10:03:43 -0700
cono...@rahul.net (John Conover) wrote:


Greg Wooledge writes:

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:

Searching for exim in
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
/lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.

How do I stop exim from launching across boots?

Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will
want to disable it.


That was the question, Greg:

 "Searching for exim in
 /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
 /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."

so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?) Or, maybe,
it is under /etc/init.d/exim4, which failed to work, so, I was looking
into the systemd control files.


Try exim4.service


apt-file tells me trhere is a exim4-base.service (from package exim4-base)



You could look in the log for the service name then do 'systemctl
disable '.

I just want to mention 'inserv' but you should use systemd.

--
John Doe

Re: Ghost cronjob

[Mart van de Wege]

David Wright  writes:

> On Tue 04 May 2021 at 17:06:50 (+0200), Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> Sven Hartge writes:
>> > Mart van de Wege wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nope, not ephemeral at all, it's PID 1. Since I don't have timers
>> >> running this job, apparently there's a zombie process somewhere?
>> >
>> > PID 1 hints at a systemd.timer, even if you have dismissed this
>> > previously. Also the start time of just after midnight hints at this.
>> >
>> > And when I look at the current btrbk package in Sid/Testing I do indeed
>> > see it ships a timer in /usr/lib/systtemd/
>> >
>> > So, there is your answer then.
>> 
>> Well whaddayaknow. I hadn't checked the system timers under
>> /usr/lib/systemd/
>> 
>> And that is the bastard running the ghost job.
>> 
>> Surely packaging a system timer file like that should not be done? It
>> should be at the discretion of the admin to create one if they want to
>> run btrbk on a schedule.
>
> I think this has been discussed in the past, and that installing a
> package is generally seen as meaning that you want it to run: Debian
> therefore tries to supply a reasonable and secure configuration.
>
But that's not applicable in this case. btrbk can be run standalone or
from a cronjob/timer, but the exact time someone wants to run their
backups, or even if they want them run periodically at all, is not a
decision you can make for them.

Of course an argument can be made that without edits to the default
btrbk.conf file btrbk won't run anyway, so configuring the timer is part
of configuring your backup strategy. I still think that supplying a
system timer is wrong here.

> But I can't help wondering what was the result of both systemd *and*
> your cron job running btrbk at the same time. Do you have backups of
> the logs?
>
I have backups. What happened is that for about 1.5 months I ran double
backups. Thankfully these are incremental snapshots, so not much
diskspace is lost on my server.

Regards,

Mart
-- 
"We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:27:17AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Greg. "update-rc.d -f exim remove" is the command for
> /etc/init.d.  But its broken.

You forgot to reply to the list.

Nobody with any sense uses update-rc.d for system admin work.  It's
there for Debian packages to use, and god only knows what it will do
if you actually try to use it.

As a sysadmin, you're expected to handle the symlinks yourself.  So
just go to /etc/rc2.d/ and rename S04exim4 to something that doesn't
start with an S.  I personally use "disabled.S04exim4" or whatever,
so that I have the original name with its sequence number available
when I want to put it back to how it was originally.

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Erwan David]

Le 04/05/2021 à 19:26, Joe a écrit :
> On Tue, 4 May 2021 10:03:43 -0700
> cono...@rahul.net (John Conover) wrote:
>
>> Greg Wooledge writes:
>>> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:  
 Searching for exim in
 /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
 /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.

 How do I stop exim from launching across boots?  
>>> Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will
>>> want to disable it.
>>>  
>> That was the question, Greg:
>>
>> "Searching for exim in
>> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
>> /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
>>
>> so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?) Or, maybe,
>> it is under /etc/init.d/exim4, which failed to work, so, I was looking
>> into the systemd control files.
>>
> Try exim4.service
>
apt-file tells me trhere is a exim4-base.service (from package exim4-base)

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Joe]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 13:15:51 -0400
Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:03:43AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> > That was the question, Greg:
> > 
> > "Searching for exim in
> > /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> > /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
> > 
> > so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?)  
> 
> So... I looked around for a buster system with exim.  It looks like
> exim on buster was never converted to a systemd startup.  It's still
> using legacy /etc/init.d/exim4 which is a big ol' honkin' script.
> 
> So, you need to apply sysv-rc methods to work with it.  Normally this
> means you cd into /etc/rc2.d and rename the S* symlink so that it
> won't start up.
> 

It's a systemd service on stretch and sid.

-- 
Joe

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Joe]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 10:03:43 -0700
cono...@rahul.net (John Conover) wrote:

> Greg Wooledge writes:
> > On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:  
> > > Searching for exim in
> > > /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> > > /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.
> > > 
> > > How do I stop exim from launching across boots?  
> > 
> > Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will
> > want to disable it.
> >  
> 
> That was the question, Greg:
> 
> "Searching for exim in
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
> 
> so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?) Or, maybe,
> it is under /etc/init.d/exim4, which failed to work, so, I was looking
> into the systemd control files.
> 

Try exim4.service

-- 
Joe

Re: HTML syntax.

[rhkramer]

On Monday, May 03, 2021 11:44:41 AM pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> Is there an editor which checks that HTML opening and closing tags are
> paired and nested properly.  An opening tag without matching close, a
> closing tag without matching open and crossed tags should be flagged
> by line number or color.
> 
> Preferably an editor with minimal overhead of installation and
> configuration.

I think any editor with syntax highlighting will help you with that -- exactly 
what it tells you may depend on how the syntax highlighter is designed -- in 
general, if you are expecting something to be syntax highlighted as, for 
example, a heading, if the either the starting or ending markup for the header 
is missing or incorrect, that part will not be properly highlighted.

I use kde and occasionally (and in the future) plan to use editors based on 
Scintilla.  I use my own syntax highlighter "definition" for my own markup 
language, but both of those have syntax highlighters for HTML.

Scintilla is used as the editing component (text entry and display) of quite a 
few editors, among them Geany (there is a list somewhere of maybe up to 100, 
not sure all of them still exist (or ever existed "in the wild").

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:03:43AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> That was the question, Greg:
> 
> "Searching for exim in
> /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
> /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."
> 
> so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?)

So... I looked around for a buster system with exim.  It looks like
exim on buster was never converted to a systemd startup.  It's still
using legacy /etc/init.d/exim4 which is a big ol' honkin' script.

So, you need to apply sysv-rc methods to work with it.  Normally this
means you cd into /etc/rc2.d and rename the S* symlink so that it
won't start up.

Good luck.

Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

[rhkramer]

On Monday, May 03, 2021 10:03:39 AM Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Monday,  3 May 2021 at 11:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Get a computer monitor instead. In ten years most (if not all)
> > traditional TV stations will likely have switched to streaming via the
> > internet anyway ;)
> 
> When I went to order a 60" monitor for a meeting room at work, I found
> that the equivalent TV (same screen/hardware as the monitor but with a
> tuner) was half the price.  We bought the TV.

+1

Similar experience 7 or so years ago buying two  32" TVs (1080P (lines) 
capable) -- work great (for me) as monitors (some people might want more 
resolution, but I don't have a problem -- everything is bigger for my old 
eyes)..

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[John Conover]

Greg Wooledge writes:
> On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> > Searching for exim in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/*
> > and /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.
> > 
> > How do I stop exim from launching across boots?
> 
> Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will want
> to disable it.
>

That was the question, Greg:

"Searching for exim in
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/* and
/lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing."

so, it wasn't there. Which service?, (or how to find out?) Or, maybe,
it is under /etc/init.d/exim4, which failed to work, so, I was looking
into the systemd control files.

Thanks,

John

-- 

John Conover, cono...@rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/

Re: exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 09:17:38AM -0700, John Conover wrote:
> Searching for exim in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/*
> and /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.
> 
> How do I stop exim from launching across boots?

Presumably there is a systemd service, which is enabled.  You will want
to disable it.

So, figure out the name of this service (assuming it does in fact exist),
and then issue the command:

systemctl disable servicename

as root, of course.  That will make it refrain from starting up at the
next boot.  To stop it right now, also issue this command:

systemctl stop servicename

Or, if you prefer, you can combine the two:

systemctl --now disable servicename

Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

[Felmon Davis]

On Tue, 4 May 2021, deloptes wrote:


Felmon Davis wrote:


you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
at 


this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
where someone comments on the video is there


ah, my error!

f.

--
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: IPFS tools not in the repos?

[Emanuel Berg]

>>> Well, most likely because nobody found it useful enough
>>> and also because it is go and js based which are not
>>> really friendly for packaging with their tendency to
>>> introduce the dependency hell.
>>
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779893
>
> Oh, OK, so it is Go.
>
> Well, thank you for explaining!

I told a friend and he said:

  Thats why this way of Debian for solving language package
  dependencies is so cursed, Gentoo does the same.

  I think they know, it was brought to light on lwn not so
  long ago: https://lwn.net/Articles/835599/

?

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I'm also interested to know how good a service you actually get within
> buildings, where most of us are most of the time. I see that wireless
> repeaters are recommended according to a home's floor area. Are they
> repeating 30GHz round the house, or conventional 2/5GHz? If the
> latter, there's no need for replacing any of your normal Wifi devices
> at all. You just get a cell-modem instead of a cable- or ADSL-modem.

I just hope you're right ;-)


Stefan

exim update not responding to update-rc.d

[John Conover]

I use either exim or another MTA. When I want to use the other MTA,
"update-rc.d -f exim remove" does not remove exim from "ps eax" after
today's exim update.

Searching for exim in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/*
and /lib/systemd/system/* yields nothing.

How do I stop exim from launching across boots?

Thanks,

John

-- 

John Conover, cono...@rahul.net, http://www.johncon.com/

Re: Ghost cronjob

[David Wright]

On Tue 04 May 2021 at 17:06:50 (+0200), Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Sven Hartge writes:
> > Mart van de Wege wrote:
> >
> >> Nope, not ephemeral at all, it's PID 1. Since I don't have timers
> >> running this job, apparently there's a zombie process somewhere?
> >
> > PID 1 hints at a systemd.timer, even if you have dismissed this
> > previously. Also the start time of just after midnight hints at this.
> >
> > And when I look at the current btrbk package in Sid/Testing I do indeed
> > see it ships a timer in /usr/lib/systtemd/
> >
> > So, there is your answer then.
> 
> Well whaddayaknow. I hadn't checked the system timers under
> /usr/lib/systemd/
> 
> And that is the bastard running the ghost job.
> 
> Surely packaging a system timer file like that should not be done? It
> should be at the discretion of the admin to create one if they want to
> run btrbk on a schedule.

I think this has been discussed in the past, and that installing a
package is generally seen as meaning that you want it to run: Debian
therefore tries to supply a reasonable and secure configuration.

But I can't help wondering what was the result of both systemd *and*
your cron job running btrbk at the same time. Do you have backups of
the logs?

Cheers,
David.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?

[David Wright]

On Mon 03 May 2021 at 15:47:07 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > It doesn't seem sensible to put a cell-connection into each TV
> > when they're all immobile. OTOH cars and pets go places.
> >
> > And is 20GB of data per day a "reasonable usage" on a mobile data plan?
> > Whereas 1TB per month on a fixed line is quite normal.
> 
> These arguments seem stuck in the present.
> 
> After all we already have "stationary cell phone" services to replace
> land-line phone services

They've been around for years. I can't see them as anything more than
an option for businesses.

> and I think most "phone" companies would be
> looking forward to a future where there's no "last mile" any more, there
> are only cell towers instead.

That may be, but I think most people would prefer the reliability of
FTTP or even FTTC if it's available. AIUI with wireless, there's a lot
less certainty about what service you're getting, as "5G" covers a
multitude of different deployments. One only ever hears headlines
about the top speeds achievable, and never about mediocre Low-band 5G.

I'm also interested to know how good a service you actually get within
buildings, where most of us are most of the time. I see that wireless
repeaters are recommended according to a home's floor area. Are they
repeating 30GHz round the house, or conventional 2/5GHz? If the
latter, there's no need for replacing any of your normal Wifi devices
at all. You just get a cell-modem instead of a cable- or ADSL-modem.

Cheers,
David.

Re: IPFS tools not in the repos?

[Emanuel Berg]

Celejar wrote:

>>> Uhm... why aren't the IPFS tools in the Debian repos?
>>> 
>>> Very interesting stuff!
>>> 
>>> https://ipfs.io/
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, most likely because nobody found it useful enough and
>> also because it is go and js based which are not really
>> friendly for packaging with their tendency to introduce the
>> dependency hell.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779893

Oh, OK, so it is Go.

Well, thank you for explaining!

http://www.yts.ge/movies/go-1999.html

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Multichannel audio playback

[David Wright]

On Sat 01 May 2021 at 08:28:44 (+), Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> David Wright  writes:
> 
> > In terms of this computer, all those input and output sockets are the
> > equivalent of my little 3.5mm jacks (but with phantom power), and the gain
> > knobs are alsamixer sliders.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > And so, by the sounds of the OP's solution post, the only functionality of
> > the Behringer being used is the four better quality DACs (rather than my
> > two), with four balanced outputs (rather than my two unbalanced ones through
> > a 3.5mm jack).
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >  Would it help to see what kind of difference there is between a
> >  sophisticated card like the Behringer and a run-of-the-mill soundcard, by
> >  listing the ALSA Controls with amixer -c 2 scontents as I asked about
> >  earlier?
> 
> 
> What is specifically your audio set, much simpler as you say?

It varies from computer to computer, but in no case is there a
significant external device beyond an adapter, and there are never
more than two channels.

My near-defunct laptop has HDMI output, and I have an HDMI→VGA adaptor
that has 3.5mm output (avoiding its combination one).

The tower mentioned below has DVI and 2xDisplayPort, so I think I can
get at least HMDI out of one of the latter, with an adaptor.

The AiO, which I work on at present, has no video out, but does have a
separate headphone output.

> I'm also interested in what you are wondering...  about possibly having the
> same functionalities with much a simpler arrangement...

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/03/msg01322.html
explains how I record sound that is being played by one of my
computers, ie capturing the output from its sound mixer using
just settings in the sound card. Most computers can't do that.
Fortunately, I acquired this 2011-built Dell tower to replace
my previous minitower that had this ability but had just died.
I repeat here the sound card control that this depends on:

Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
  Capabilities: cenum
  Items: 'Mic' 'Line' 'Stereo Mix'
  Item0: 'Stereo Mix'

On past form, I might get five to ten years use out of this Dell,
so I'm always on the lookout for other methods of performing this
enviable and, to some, incredible task. An exterior soundcard
device would have the advantage that it's transferable to other
computers.

So I take an interest in devices like yours, and in what controls
are made available to alsamixer. (AIUI the chips themselves
usually have this capability, and others, but only some functions
are made available in different computers by their mobos.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Ghost cronjob

[Mart van de Wege]

Sven Hartge  writes:

> Mart van de Wege  wrote:
>
>> Nope, not ephemeral at all, it's PID 1. Since I don't have timers
>> running this job, apparently there's a zombie process somewhere?
>
> PID 1 hints at a systemd.timer, even if you have dismissed this
> previously. Also the start time of just after midnight hints at this.
>
> And when I look at the current btrbk package in Sid/Testing I do indeed
> see it ships a timer in /usr/lib/systtemd/
>
> So, there is your answer then.

Well whaddayaknow. I hadn't checked the system timers under
/usr/lib/systemd/

And that is the bastard running the ghost job.

Surely packaging a system timer file like that should not be done? It
should be at the discretion of the admin to create one if they want to
run btrbk on a schedule.

Regards,

Mart

-- 
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--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.

Re: HTML syntax.

[deloptes]

Weaver wrote:

> Maybe they just moved it?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyumbvFdDNo
> Cheers!

No the original one was 1.5h - full documentary

Re: Ben alors là ! Vla t'y pas qu'on peut acheter du matos sans OS chez Lenovo !

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Le mardi 04 mai 2021 à 14:51 +0200, Jean-Michel OLTRA a écrit :
> 
>     Bonjour,
> 
> 
> Le mardi 04 mai 2021, Etienne Vogt a écrit...
> 
> 
> > > Gaëtan Perrier a écrit :
> > > > Je pensais m'orienter vers un Ryzen mais la stabilité sous Linux
> > > > semblait aléatoire il y a quelques temps ?
> > > 
> > > C'est toujours le cas.
> 
> > Avec le noyau 5.10 de buster-backports, c'est stable, avec le 4.19 standard
> > de buster, non.
> 
> J'ai un Ryzen 7 3800X depuis 1 an environ. Je suis en Testing.
> 
> Il arrive que le serveur X freeze puis se ré-initialise. Mais je ne puis
> dire si ça vient du processeur. Auparavant, j'avais un Ryzen 5, mais, après
> correction du problème lié à l'état C6 du processeur, je n'avais pas de
> freeze de X. Le souci arrive *très* rarement.
> 
> Il y a un problème avec l'instruction RDRAND du processeur, mais pour moi et
> pour la plupart des utilisateurs maintenant (maintenant, car au départ ça
> bloquait systemd) ce n'est pas pénalisant. A voir si le problème existe
> toujours sur les versions plus récentes du processeur.
> 
> Donc, personnellement, j'aurais tendance à dire que le système est stable
> avec un Ryzen7. La seule chose c'est que, pour l'usage que je fais de ma
> machine, le Ryzen7 n'est pas franchement plus rapide que le 5 que j'avais
> précédemment. Plus rapide peut-être sur des tests lancés en parallèle.
> Mais juste plus cher…
> 
> Par conséquent mon avis serait que si on utilise véritablement le multi-core
> du Ryzen 7, pourquoi pas. Sinon la version 5 suffit.
> 

Tu utilises quelle carte graphique ? Parce que un blocage de X peut aussi venir
de celle-ci ...
J'en ai d'ailleurs connu avec mon système actuel Core i5-2500k/Nvidia (550GTX
je crois).

Gaëtan



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Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

[deloptes]

Felmon Davis wrote:

> you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles)
> at 

this is exactly the problem - the original video is not there, but the one
where someone comments on the video is there

Re: [Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

[Felmon Davis]

On Tue, 4 May 2021, Thomas Schmitt wrote:


Hi,

deloptes wrote:

I just tried to find a video on ARTE


You believe french-german state TV ?



I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"


For the non-germans: = "Environmental Sinner E-Car ?".

(It was a bit exaggerated as in several other documentaries of ARTE,
but also pointed out the problems in the overall environmental balance
sheet of battery driven indivual transport.)



They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube


German State TV is only allowed to offer its videos for a limited time.
In the case of a documentary it's 12 months. But the usual live span is
only 7 days.
 https://www.daserste.de/specials/ueber-uns/verweildauer-100.html
 Sections "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag" and "Auch mehr als 7 Tage"

The video in question was available from 24 november 2020 to 22 January
2021. This is mentioned in a follow-up audio critique by german state radio:
 
https://www.swr.de/swr2/film-und-serie/umweltsuender-e-auto-unnoetig-verteufelt-100.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas




you can view it on youtube (if that's compliant with your principles) 
at 


fjd

--
Felmon Davis

Verbum sat sapienti.

Re: Ghost cronjob

[Sven Hartge]

Mart van de Wege  wrote:

> Nope, not ephemeral at all, it's PID 1. Since I don't have timers
> running this job, apparently there's a zombie process somewhere?

PID 1 hints at a systemd.timer, even if you have dismissed this
previously. Also the start time of just after midnight hints at this.

And when I look at the current btrbk package in Sid/Testing I do indeed
see it ships a timer in /usr/lib/systtemd/

So, there is your answer then.

Also check via "systemctl list-timers".

S°

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Evolution

[Jerry Mellon]

 Hi,New to Debian, have been using for 6 months and Evolution has now stopped 
connecting to network for email.On startup of Evolution I get a box telling me 
that evolution cannot connect to my email address. It asks me for my password 
for the my email account. I enter the password and it pause for a second or two 
and the box reappears asking for my password. The password is the same as my 
login password which works. Using a browser I go to my email with out any 
problem. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks
 
Jerry Mellon
501 Los Caminos St.
Jacksonville, FL 32.95
jfmel...@netscape.net
407-461-9216

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Darac Marjal wrote:

> The "IN_" prefix tells you that this is an inotify event.
> IN_CLOSE_WRITE fires when a process _had_ the specified file
> open for writing, but has just closed it. Perhaps you have
> an "incron" job somewhere?

I have cron do two very short scripts every @midnight, these
run fine individually and I've not experienced any problems at
00:00 so I take it they run fine there as well.

Other than that I have not fiddled with cronjobs at all,
I think. (?)

This is what 'ps -e' tells me:

 9 ~/ppl/mats ps -e
PID TTY  TIME CMD
  1 ?00:00:26 systemd
  2 ?00:00:00 kthreadd
  3 ?00:00:00 rcu_gp
  4 ?00:00:00 rcu_par_gp
  6 ?00:00:00 kworker/0:0H-kblockd
  8 ?00:00:00 mm_percpu_wq
  9 ?00:00:01 ksoftirqd/0
 10 ?00:00:28 rcu_sched
 11 ?00:00:00 rcu_bh
 12 ?00:00:00 migration/0
 14 ?00:00:00 cpuhp/0
 15 ?00:00:00 cpuhp/1
 16 ?00:00:00 migration/1
 17 ?00:00:00 ksoftirqd/1
 19 ?00:00:00 kworker/1:0H-kblockd
 20 ?00:00:00 cpuhp/2
 21 ?00:00:00 migration/2
 22 ?00:00:01 ksoftirqd/2
 24 ?00:00:00 kworker/2:0H-kblockd
 25 ?00:00:00 cpuhp/3
 26 ?00:00:00 migration/3
 27 ?00:00:00 ksoftirqd/3
 29 ?00:00:00 kworker/3:0H-kblockd
 30 ?00:00:00 kdevtmpfs
 31 ?00:00:00 netns
 32 ?00:00:00 kauditd
 35 ?00:00:00 khungtaskd
 36 ?00:00:00 oom_reaper
 37 ?00:00:00 writeback
 38 ?00:00:00 kcompactd0
 39 ?00:00:00 ksmd
 40 ?00:00:01 khugepaged
 41 ?00:00:00 crypto
 42 ?00:00:00 kintegrityd
 43 ?00:00:00 kblockd
 44 ?00:00:00 edac-poller
 46 ?00:00:00 devfreq_wq
 47 ?00:00:00 watchdogd
 49 ?00:00:00 irq/25-AMD-Vi
 50 ?00:00:05 kswapd0
 68 ?00:00:00 kthrotld
 70 ?00:00:00 amd_iommu_v2
 71 ?00:00:00 ipv6_addrconf
 80 ?00:00:00 kstrp
132 ?00:00:00 nvme-wq
133 ?00:00:00 nvme-reset-wq
134 ?00:00:00 nvme-delete-wq
147 ?00:00:00 ata_sff
148 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_0
149 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_0
150 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_1
151 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_1
153 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_2
154 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_2
155 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_3
156 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_3
157 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_4
158 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_4
159 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_5
160 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_5
161 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_6
162 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_6
163 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_7
164 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_7
167 ?00:00:00 scsi_eh_8
168 ?00:00:00 scsi_tmf_8
229 ?00:00:00 kworker/2:1H-kblockd
231 ?00:00:00 kworker/3:1H-kblockd
240 ?00:00:00 md
250 ?00:00:00 raid5wq
285 ?00:00:00 kworker/1:1H-kblockd
304 ?00:00:00 kworker/u65:0
305 ?00:00:02 jbd2/sda2-8
306 ?00:00:00 ext4-rsv-conver
307 ?00:00:00 kworker/0:1H-kblockd
371 ?00:00:02 systemd-journal
407 ?00:00:00 systemd-udevd
410 ?00:00:00 loop0
411 ?00:00:00 loop1
414 ?00:00:00 loop2
415 ?00:00:00 loop3
417 ?00:00:00 loop4
472 ?00:00:00 led_workqueue
475 ?00:00:00 nvkm-disp
515 ?00:00:00 ttm_swap
590 ?00:00:00 dhclient
591 ?00:00:00 rpcbind
592 ?00:00:02 systemd-resolve
596 ?00:00:00 accounts-daemon
598 ?00:00:03 dbus-daemon
599 ?00:00:02 NetworkManager
605 ?00:00:07 snapd
606 ?00:00:18 systemd-logind
608 ?00:00:00 usbguard-dbus
665 ?00:00:01 usbguard-daemon
713 ?00:00:00 polkitd
724 ?00:00:11 ntpd
726 ?00:00:00 sshd
741 tty1 00:00:00 login
   1130 ?00:00:00 exim4
   1149 ?00:00:00 iwatch
   1162 ?00:00:00 systemd
   1163 ?00:00:00 (sd-pam)
   1190 ?00:00:01 pipewire
   1191 ?00:07:31 pulseaudio
   1193 ?00:00:02 tracker-miner-f
   1194 tty1 00:00:00 zsh
   1197 ?00:00:07 dbus-daemon
   1206 ?00:00:00 pipewire-media-
   1210 ?00:00:00 upowerd
   1254 tty1 00:08:35 emacs
   1351 ?00:00:41 tmux: server
   1422 tty6 00:00:00 login
   1431 tty6 00:00:00 zsh
   1444 tty6 00:00:00 startx
   1478 tty6 00:00:00 xinit
   1479 tty6 00:04:21 Xorg
   1519 tty6 00:00:00 sh
   1525 tty6 00:00:00 openbsd-cwm
   1532 tty6 00:00:10 xterm
   1533 pts/200:00:00 tmux: client
   

Re: Ben alors là ! Vla t'y pas qu'on peut acheter du matos sans OS chez Lenovo !

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Le mardi 04 mai 2021, Etienne Vogt a écrit...


> > Gaëtan Perrier a écrit :
> > > Je pensais m'orienter vers un Ryzen mais la stabilité sous Linux
> > > semblait aléatoire il y a quelques temps ?
> > 
> > C'est toujours le cas.

> Avec le noyau 5.10 de buster-backports, c'est stable, avec le 4.19 standard
> de buster, non.

J'ai un Ryzen 7 3800X depuis 1 an environ. Je suis en Testing.

Il arrive que le serveur X freeze puis se ré-initialise. Mais je ne puis
dire si ça vient du processeur. Auparavant, j'avais un Ryzen 5, mais, après
correction du problème lié à l'état C6 du processeur, je n'avais pas de
freeze de X. Le souci arrive *très* rarement.

Il y a un problème avec l'instruction RDRAND du processeur, mais pour moi et
pour la plupart des utilisateurs maintenant (maintenant, car au départ ça
bloquait systemd) ce n'est pas pénalisant. A voir si le problème existe
toujours sur les versions plus récentes du processeur.

Donc, personnellement, j'aurais tendance à dire que le système est stable
avec un Ryzen7. La seule chose c'est que, pour l'usage que je fais de ma
machine, le Ryzen7 n'est pas franchement plus rapide que le 5 que j'avais
précédemment. Plus rapide peut-être sur des tests lancés en parallèle.
Mais juste plus cher…

Par conséquent mon avis serait que si on utilise véritablement le multi-core
du Ryzen 7, pourquoi pas. Sinon la version 5 suffit.

-- 
jm

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Emanuel Berg]

Darac Marjal wrote:

>> I get system mail all the time - I've got 2757 at the
>> moment - that tells me that
>>
>>   [ 4/Apr/2021 22:11:33]
>>   IN_CLOSE_WRITE /etc/.pwd.lock
>>   * /etc/.pwd.lock is closed
>>
>> Any clues what that problem might be?
>
> The "IN_" prefix tells you that this is an inotify event.
> IN_CLOSE_WRITE fires when a process _had_ the specified file
> open for writing, but has just closed it. Perhaps you have
> an "incron" job somewhere?

I don't know, how do I find out?

-- 
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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Piano live recording

[Rodolfo Medina]

"Jeremy Nicoll"  writes:

> On Tue, 4 May 2021, at 09:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> 
>> Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  
>
> Omni-directional mics are also mono, usually.


Thanks, Jeremy...  I meant `monodirectional or omnidirectional...?'

Rodolfo

Re: IPFS tools not in the repos?

[Celejar]

On Tue, 4 May 2021 08:44:57 +0200
Alex Mestiashvili  wrote:

> On 5/4/21 8:19 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> > Uhm... why aren't the IPFS tools in the Debian repos?
> > 
> > Very interesting stuff!
> > 
> > https://ipfs.io/
> > 
> 
> Well, most likely because nobody found it useful enough and also because 
> it is go and js based which are not really friendly for packaging with 
> their tendency to introduce the dependency hell.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779893

Celejar

Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Tue, 4 May 2021, at 09:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.

The result of recording like this will (presumably) mimic what a player would 
hear, but won't sound so much like what any listener some distance from the 
piano would hear.  You might also capture more noise from the mechanical 
action, than would be apparent at a distance.

If people are listening to a pianist, in a concert hall, none of the listeners 
sit
under or just over the piano, and none are usually hearing bass in one ear
and treble in the other!

In a concert hall, the ambience/reverberation characteristics of the hall will
make a big difference to the result, as will things like whether (for a grand
piano) wheher the lid is up a little or a lot.  For an upright piano you might
also think about whether its lid is open, and whether the piano is against a
wall.

There's also a philosophical difference between the sort of mic placement
you're thinking of doing - close-micing an instrument and then (perhaps)
applying digital effects, EQ etc afterwards, versus simply trying to capture
the sound/feel of the instrument in the space it is in.


> Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  

Omni-directional mics are also mono, usually.  The polar response (ie 
omni / figure of 8 / cardioid / hypercardioid) is not a mono/stereo 
choice.  

Stereo (or multi-channel) mics in a single body may also offer control
over the "width" of the stereo image, or even (eg for Soundfield mics)
the ability to adjust the array of capsules so they appear to tilt/point 
in different directions.  

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

[Dan Ritter]

Rodolfo Medina wrote: 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is 
> it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?


The B5 is a general purpose instrument mic with both cardioid
and omni capsules (swappable). You can put one in each position
and figure out which you like where. You will get the instrument
sound and little else. If your room is not particularly good, or
you will be sending your part in to be mixed with others, this
is a pretty good idea.

The C2 is a pair of cardioids designed for recording in stereo
at a distance. If you are performing in a particular space
and want to capture the experience of being in the audience, or
you want to capture a live event, or any other situation where
you want the whole rather than individual instruments to be
mixed later, the C2 is what you want -- except that a pair of
B5s with the cardioid capsules can do the same job, so a pair of
B5s is more flexible.

-dsr-

IPFS tools not in the repos?

[Emanuel Berg]

Uhm... why aren't the IPFS tools in the Debian repos?

Very interesting stuff!

https://ipfs.io/

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repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Emanuel Berg]

I get system mail all the time - I've got 2757 at the moment -
that tells me that

  [ 4/Apr/2021 22:11:33]
  IN_CLOSE_WRITE /etc/.pwd.lock
  * /etc/.pwd.lock is closed

Any clues what that problem might be?

TIA

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Re: Ben alors là ! Vla t'y pas qu'on peut acheter du matos sans OS chez Lenovo !

[Etienne Vogt]

On Tue, 4 May 2021, BERTRAND Joël wrote:


Gaëtan Perrier a écrit :

Je pensais m'orienter vers un Ryzen mais la stabilité sous Linux
semblait aléatoire il y a quelques temps ?


C'est toujours le cas.


Avec le noyau 5.10 de buster-backports, c'est stable, avec le 4.19 
standard de buster, non.


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Re: Ben alors là ! Vla t'y pas qu'on peut acheter du matos sans OS chez Lenovo !

[BERTRAND Joël]

Gaëtan Perrier a écrit :
> Je pensais m'orienter vers un Ryzen mais la stabilité sous Linux
> semblait aléatoire il y a quelques temps ?

C'est toujours le cas.

[Off topic] videos of german state TV, was Re: HTML syntax.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

deloptes wrote:
> I just tried to find a video on ARTE

You believe french-german state TV ?


> I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"

For the non-germans: = "Environmental Sinner E-Car ?".

(It was a bit exaggerated as in several other documentaries of ARTE,
but also pointed out the problems in the overall environmental balance
sheet of battery driven indivual transport.)


> They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

German State TV is only allowed to offer its videos for a limited time.
In the case of a documentary it's 12 months. But the usual live span is
only 7 days.
  https://www.daserste.de/specials/ueber-uns/verweildauer-100.html
  Sections "Rundfunkstaatsvertrag" and "Auch mehr als 7 Tage"

The video in question was available from 24 november 2020 to 22 January
2021. This is mentioned in a follow-up audio critique by german state radio:
  
https://www.swr.de/swr2/film-und-serie/umweltsuender-e-auto-unnoetig-verteufelt-100.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Piano live recording

[Rodolfo Medina]

Weaver  writes:

> On 04-05-2021 18:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record
>> live piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the
>> bass.  Is it better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In
>> particular, which do you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2
>> twins?
>
> Upright or grand?


Upright. Thanks...

Rodolfo

Re: Piano live recording

[Weaver]

On 04-05-2021 18:39, didier gaumet wrote:
> Shure publishes a doc for best using microphones for particular
> instruments (grand and upright pianos: pages 24-25):
> 
> https://www.shure.com/damfiles/default/global/documents/publications/en/performance-production/microphone_techniques_for_live_sound_reinforcement_english.pdf-3df433145fca686a736beeb5da588efa.pdf
 Yes, Shure and/or AKG would be my choices
Cheers!

Harry.
-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

Re: HTML syntax.

[Weaver]

On 04-05-2021 18:34, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>>> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>>>
>>> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
>>>
>>> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
>>> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
>>> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5
>>
>> AFAIK it does HTML4.
>>
>> HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
>> Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
>> you what is supposed to work today".
>>
>> The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
>> Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed
>>
> 
> so another one failure of opensource and free software
> 
>> Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
>> protocols" [1]. A visionary.
>>
>> Remember this old joke (around 1990)
>>
>>   Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>>   A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard.
>>
>> Well, we arrived there.
>>
> 
> we are arriving in the middle ages - soon they start burning people alive or
> send them to concentration camps for not believing in green energy,
> Microsoft, Google or you name it. I just tried to find a video on ARTE that
> I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"
> They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

Maybe they just moved it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyumbvFdDNo
Cheers!

Harry.

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Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

Re: Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

[didier gaumet]

Shure publishes a doc for best using microphones for particular 
instruments (grand and upright pianos: pages 24-25):


https://www.shure.com/damfiles/default/global/documents/publications/en/performance-production/microphone_techniques_for_live_sound_reinforcement_english.pdf-3df433145fca686a736beeb5da588efa.pdf

Re: HTML syntax.

[deloptes]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
>> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>> 
>> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
>> 
>> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
>> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
>> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5
> 
> AFAIK it does HTML4.
> 
> HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
> Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
> you what is supposed to work today".
> 
> The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
> Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed
> 

so another one failure of opensource and free software

> Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
> protocols" [1]. A visionary.
> 
> Remember this old joke (around 1990)
> 
>   Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
>   A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard.
> 
> Well, we arrived there.
> 

we are arriving in the middle ages - soon they start burning people alive or
send them to concentration camps for not believing in green energy,
Microsoft, Google or you name it. I just tried to find a video on ARTE that
I watched some time ago. Video was called "Umweltsünder E-Auto?"
They were forced to remove it :/ from their mediathek and from youtube

Re: Piano live recording

[Weaver]

On 04-05-2021 18:16, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
> piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is 
> it
> better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
> you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Upright or grand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHP5m83peSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8OXF9VvJIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjRN5EQN-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgGySEB8Mg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgibHCjh7dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BeLIzS-3GU
Cheers!

Harry.

-- 
`The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power'.
-- Mussolini

Piano live recording (was: Live recording)

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

I've just bought a Behringer UMC404HD audio interface and want to record live
piano by placing two microphones one at the trebles and one at the bass.  Is it
better to use mono or omni directional microphones?  In particular, which do
you suggest between Bheringer B5 either Behringer C2 twins?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo

Re: repeated system mail, /etc/.pwd.lock ?

[Darac Marjal]

On 04/05/2021 07:12, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> I get system mail all the time - I've got 2757 at the moment -
> that tells me that
>
>   [ 4/Apr/2021 22:11:33]
>   IN_CLOSE_WRITE /etc/.pwd.lock
>   * /etc/.pwd.lock is closed
>
> Any clues what that problem might be?
The "IN_" prefix tells you that this is an inotify event. IN_CLOSE_WRITE
fires when a process _had_ the specified file open for writing, but has
just closed it. Perhaps you have an "incron" job somewhere?
>
> TIA
>



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Re: HTML syntax.

[tomas]

On Mon, May 03, 2021 at 11:54:58PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > xmllint has an --html option for that. That said...
> 
> you sure that it will give a warning if tag is not closed? Cause I do not
> think so. In fact the --html option seems to correct those missing tags.
> All together it's a good tool, but I do not know how it applies to html5

AFAIK it does HTML4.

HTML5 is a "living standard" [1], [2] which is an euphemism for "Apple,
Google, Microsoft and, to a slowly dwindling extent Mozilla, will tell
you what is supposed to work today".

The W3C consortium fought tooth and nail to fix a standard and lost.
Whatwg (the above mentioned Big Guys) imposed

Raph Levien called that, back then in 1998, "The decommoditization of
protocols" [1]. A visionary.

Remember this old joke (around 1990)

  Q: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
  A: None, they just define darkness as an industry standard. 

Well, we arrived there.

In a nutshell, no, I don't think libxml (which xmllint is part of) has the
resources to track this madness.

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[2] https://html.spec.whatwg.org/
[3] https://www.levien.com/free/decommoditizing.html

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Re: IPFS tools not in the repos?

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 5/4/21 8:19 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:

Uhm... why aren't the IPFS tools in the Debian repos?

Very interesting stuff!

https://ipfs.io/



Well, most likely because nobody found it useful enough and also because 
it is go and js based which are not really friendly for packaging with 
their tendency to introduce the dependency hell.

Re: Ghost cronjob

[Mart van de Wege]

Mart van de Wege  writes:

> Stefan Monnier  writes:
>
>> Mart van de Wege [2021-05-03 20:11:25] wrote:
>>> Stefan Monnier  writes:
> root@galahad:~# grep btrbk /etc/ -rl

 Have you `grep`d in `/var/` as well?
 [ E.g. `/var/spool/crontabs` ]

>>> Yep, nothing there, aside from the usual suspects (apt & dpkg files).
>>>
> And yet I find this in /var/log/btrbk.log:
>
> 2017-03-12T20:16:28+0100 startup v0.24.0 - - - - # btrbk command
> line client, version 0.24.0

 Any other mention of activity around that time in some other log file?


>>> Not that I can see. I am going to see what patching btrbk to log PPID
>>> shows up tonight.
>>
>> My usual "trick" is to log a full `ps --forest -ef`.
>
> Hmmm. If the PPID turns out to be ephemeral, then that is a good second
> option.
>
Nope, not ephemeral at all, it's PID 1. Since I don't have timers
running this job, apparently there's a zombie process somewhere?

Mart

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