from:"Gerald"

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Andreas Janssen wrote:

> Hello
>
> Gerald Waugh (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> > I am running 2.4.19
> > I found googling that 2.4.27 has XFS built in...
> >
> > Please excuse my ignorance, but how would I update my kernel to
> > 2.4.27. I have to have XFS so I can save some data from an XFS hard
> > drive.
>
> If you only need to access the drive once, you could use some live-CD
> like Knoppix. If you really want to install kernel 2.4.27, I recomment
> you get the precompiled packages from <http://www.backports.org>.

thanks,
I did find the sources at backports.org,
I need to access XFS just once in a while, will Knoppix handle xfs file
system? I'll search for a Knoppix ISO, unless you know where I can
download one.

Thanks again,
Gerald


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Re: Woody XFS file system support


I am running 2.4.19
I found googling that 2.4.27 has XFS built in...

Please excuse my ignorance, but how would I update my kernel to 2.4.27.
I have to have XFS so I can save some data from an XFS hard drive.

Gerald


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Woody XFS file system support


 Steve Lamb wrote:

> It is one of the first options in makeconfig. Well, at least it was when
> I last checked on the 2.4.x series. Not sure if it is in the 2.6.x
> series. Anyway normally it is right next to module support.

started new message and changed the subject...

maybe, "Code Maturity Level Options"
Anyway that added more file system options but still no XFS.

Gerald


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Re: ncurses for woody

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Steve Lamb wrote:

> Gerald Waugh wrote:
>
> >Well, I got make menuconfig to work, (required libncurses5-dev) but can't
> >find the xfs file system option...
> >
> >
> Do you have the experimental stuff turned on?

Not sure, how would I check?

Thanks
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Re: ncurses for woody

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Gerald Waugh wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Gerald Waugh wrote:
>
> >
> > Excuse me, but how do I install ncurses on a woody system.
> > I tried all the apt-get ?curses and libncurses, but no luck.
> >
> > Trying to run "make menuconfig" in the kernel-sources
>
> further, I need to add xfs file system support, in case anyone can help me
> out with this ;)

Well, I got make menuconfig to work, (required libncurses5-dev) but can't
find the xfs file system option...

Gerald


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Re: ncurses for woody

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Gerald Waugh wrote:

>
> Excuse me, but how do I install ncurses on a woody system.
> I tried all the apt-get ?curses and libncurses, but no luck.
>
> Trying to run "make menuconfig" in the kernel-sources

further, I need to add xfs file system support, in case anyone can help me
out with this ;)

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ncurses for woody


Excuse me, but how do I install ncurses on a woody system.
I tried all the apt-get ?curses and libncurses, but no luck.

Trying to run "make menuconfig" in the kernel-sources

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I NEED YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE/please call me immediately,

2004-07-23 Thread gerald kouame

From:Gerald Kouame.
Tel:(+228 9113876)
Lome-Togo
Africa

  I NEED YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE
 
Dearest,
 
I wish to use this medium to get intouch with you 
my name is Gerald Kouame,The first son of late MR
LAMBOS KOUAME. My father was a very wealthy GOLD and
DIAMOND merchant who based in ACCRA GHANA and
LOME-TOGO
respectively, The economic capital city of Togo Lome
.He was poisoned to death by his business associate on
one of their business outings.

My mother died on the 21ST october 1994 Since then my
father took me and my sister so special because we
were motherless.Before the death of my father on the
29th OCT 2003 in a private hospital here in LOME-TOGO,
He called me on his bed side and told me that he had a
sum of22.500,000 US DOLLARS (twenthy two Million five
hundred thousand )kept currently in one of the prime
bank overseas in Europe.
 
I need  a very reliable investor participant who is
not known as my associate, that I could entrust with
the contact of the bank and Certificate of Deposit to
help me for the transfer of the fund to your account
over there in your country to enable me and my sister
to be coming over there in your country to continue
our education.

My father also said that it was because of this wealth
that he was poisoned by his business assocaites, That
I
should seek for a foreign partner in a country of my
choice where I will transfer this money and use it for
investment purposes that he don't think he would save
from the incident.

I want you to assist me over the transfer of this fund
into your account overseas,and also assist me in
investing it properly.

I am honourably seeking for your assistance in the
following ways. 

(1)To provide a bank account into which this money
would be transfered to.

(2)To serve as the guardian of this fund since I am
23 years old.

(3)To make arrangement for me and my sister to come
over to your country to further our Education.

(4)To still assist us for the proper investment of the
funds as soon as it arrive your account overseas.

Moreover, I am willing to offer you 20% of the total
sum as compensation for your effort input after the
successful transfer of this fund into your nominated
account.
Furthermore, you can indicate your option
towards assisting me as I believe that this
transaction would be concluded within seven days, from
the day you signify interest to assist me.
 
Awaiting to hear from you soonest.

Thanks and God bless you for your anticipated
cooperation.
 
Best Regards,
 
Gerald Kouame.


 












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Debian

2003-09-20 Thread gerald simpkin

I checked to see if I could turn off the html characteristics of the email sent when using free yahoo email. I could not find a configuration tool to send this in plain text so I am sorry in advance about this email. 
What I am most concerned about is getting help with the Debian problem I described (although it should be noted to send questions in plain text if that is the way you want to get it). I went to the Debian organizations website and it said if a new user (paraphrasing) has a problem to send questions to this email address (did not mention format). I got your message now what about an answer to my question? Is there a site I can go to for this information? Do you know how to solve this problem?
If you want Debian to be the Linux flavor for professional programmers then form a private club and remove the manifesto from the website. If you want the Debian flavor to survive then I advise you to consider the masses otherwise it'll be a project of you and a thousand or so programmers.
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debian package install problem

2003-09-16 Thread gerald simpkin

I am a new user of Debian. I have the operating system installed but due to some difficulties cannot seem able to install packages. At install when I use apt it starts okay but then I get a configuration error in configuring Binutils . I do not need to tell you how important this feature is. It returns an error trouble linking kernel. It says this problem occurs in older kernels and some new (woody is using an old kernel?). It further says the problem is not with the linker but the kernel source. It says to edit linker script for architecture. It goes on to give an example, 'arch/i386/vmlinux.lds'. I found two files using the name arch (the other was a zip file). The one I got into was binary and I was unable to read it. I can't read much anyway because the less command is not available. apt-setup is not available either once you boot into the operating system. Anyway there is no arch directory. The script suggested I acc
ess file
vmlinux.lds and remove an entry on a discard line called *(.text.exit). Unless I can find that file or the directory and then the file I cannot try anything. I would be forced to try dselect or dpkg to install the things I want. I know you guys did not release woody with such a critical defect. I have CDs from a endor with a link on a Debian wedsite. The bill for this copy is going into dispute for this and other reasons. If you know of any solutions to this problem please email me (or post them).
I think I subscribed to your user list.I subscribed under using this email account or another (I'm not sure). If this email address is not signed up to the user list please put this email address on the user list. I would appreciate it.
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Re: CF & MemoryStick Reader

2003-01-11 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Kevin Coyner said:

>
>
> I've got a 4-in-1 USB card reader that can accomodate Sony MemoryStick
> and CF.
>
> To get started, I used directions from
>
> http://vic.dyndns.org/linux-UsbMassStorage/
>
> and
>
> http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~ggbaker/personal/cf-linux
>
> Using sg_scan -i and sg_map, it was fairly easy to figure out things
> out.  So I plugged in a MemoryStick and mounted it.  No problems.
>
> However, next I tried the CF, using the same procedure (and remember,
> this is the same reader).  And unfortunately, this one would not
> mount.
>
> I continually get:
>
> mount: block device /dev/sde1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
> mount: /dev/sde1 is not a valid block device
>
> Note that sda1 and sdb1 are my scsi harddrives.  Which means that the
> 4-in-1 card reader is mapped to sdc, sdd, sde and sdf.  Through trial
> and error I figured out that the MemoryStick was sdf1.  So for the CF,
> I
> tried the other 3, but each time got "not a valid block device".  And
> yes, the CF card was in the reader.

Try mounting it just as /dev/sde rather than also giving it a
partition number. Strange but sometimes that's what works on some
memory devices.

G

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Re: Mounting USB devices

2003-01-11 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II


Trey Sizemore said:

> This is the output of my /etc/fstab file.  When booting, I noticed
> that
> the screen said I had an error on line 15 (which is the line I just
> added for the camera).  Can you see what might be wrong?  What is the
> correct way to edit this file?  I have noticed, based on line length
> that columns don't line up as expected.  I have been making my edits
> with Kate or KWord.
>
> Thanks.
>
> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.

> /dev/sda4  /zip2   auto adminmenu,defaults,user,noauto  0
> 0
> /dev/camera  /mnt/camera   vfat user,no auto 0
> 0
>

Get the space out of "no auto" should be "noauto".

Edit with any text editor. Turn off wrapping. Make the columns line up
however you like (I use tabs).

G

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Interesting X crash

2003-01-06 Thread Gerald Livingston

OK, I have no details because it's not killing me or anything.

Currently my box boots to GDM (sid). Works great. I'm thinking of
killing that againbecause I do a lot of stuff remotely through ssh and
read my mail via IMAP (Courier). Just want to free up the rescources
since X isn't being used most of the time.

I'm also probably going to dump the whole "desktop manager" (Gnome right
now) thing. Once again, freeing up resources used by things that I don't
(use).

So, I logged out of Gnome, hopped over to a terminal window, and killed
GDM (using init.d/gdm stop).

Checked that my .xsession ended with 'exec gnome-session' since that's
what I've been logging in with through GDM, and ran 'startx'.

X goes as far as bringing up the Gnome startup screen then sig-11's.
Nothing in .xsession-errors, it just goes away (and usually leaves me
sitting on the empty VT-7 rather than recovering to the starting VT).

So, I changed .xsession to 'exec sawfish'. No gnome splash screen this
time -- but it still catches a signal 11 and dies.

X and Gnome/Sawfish all work fine from GDM.

Has anyone else seen this? Ability to start from a *DM but segfault from
startx?

G

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Re: Renaming files

2003-01-05 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:57:45 -0600
will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 01:19:59AM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> wrote:
> > The script:cat ~/bin/names
> > 
> > #!/bin/bash
> > 
> > typeset -i a=1
> > 
> how about
> 
>   ls /t/*.jpg /t/*.JPG /t/*.jpeg 2>/dev/null | wc -l
> or
>   ls /t/*.{jpg,jpeg,JPG,JPEG} 2>/dev/null | wc -l
> 
> hmm? only one test, all done.
> 
> 
> same here:
> 
>   ls /t/*.gif /t/*.GIF /t/*.GIFF 2>/dev/null | wc -l
> 
> or even
> 
>   ls /t/*.{gif,GIF,giff,GIFF} 2>/dev/null | wc -l
> 
> 
>   ls /t/*.{bmp,BMP} 2>/dev/null | wc -l
> 
> > if [ `ls /t/*.bmp 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
> >   then for i in /t/*.bmp;
> >do convert "$i" `basename "$i" .bmp`.jpg; rm -f "$i"; done
> > fi
> 
> nicely done.
> 
> > if [ `ls /t/*.jpg 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
> >  then for i in /t/*.jpg;
> >   do echo "http://host.com/images/$i"; >>/t/links; done
> > fi
> > 
> > if [ `ls /t/*.gif 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
> >  then for i in /t/*.gif;
> >   do echo "http://host.com/images/$i"; >>/t/links; done
> > fi
> 
> how about
> 
>   for i in /t/*.{gif,jpg};
>   do echo "http://host.com/images/$i"; >> /t/links ; done
> 
> get all the gif and jpg in one swoop.

I guess you noticed I'm not real good about command compression. I
*REALLY* need to get the O'Reilley bash book to have on hand for stuff
like this. I just have to work with it so seldom. I'll make the changes
above then start on the problems listed below. Probably have to take it
back to the procmail list to see if there's a better way to determine
the contents of a MIME message. 

Need to security clean the script and my .procmailrc and drop them on a
web server since they are growing with each new problem. 

The problem I'm having now that I'm testing it with other file types and
various maiers sending the attachments is the way "un-named"
attachments are dealt with. They mostly (even images) seem to end up
coming through as "application/octet-stream" with no name in the mime.
So I end up with a bunch od random file names. Guess I'm going to have
to play with running 'file' over each item in the temp directory 

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Re: the vanishing console message trick

2003-01-05 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Jeff Cours said:

> Hi, everyone -
>
> I'm having a rather odd problem. Following an upgrade a few weeks ago,
> my lilo menu, the boot messages, and the shutdown messages all
> vanished.
> There's still a signal coming to the monitor (I can tell because the
> monitor hasn't gone into power save), but the screen is blank, like it
> looks when the console's screen blanking cuts in.[1]
>
>
> Switching LILO from menu to text mode doesn't seem to change the
> situation. There is nothing obvious in dmesg or /var/log/messages.
>
> If I boot from the boot floppy, I get readable console messages.
>

Have you tried setting "vga=ask" in lilo to see if maybe vga or
framebuffer has somehow been set to a weird mode for startup?

G

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Renaming files

Sorry for the length of this thought I should be VERY clear as to the
limited scope of what I'm doing.

Bob,  I use mmv out of habit. It does more than mv and I've used those
functions in the past -- rather than try to remember which functions
mv does not do.

OK -- when I followed up on that old thread about renaming files I
didn't specify WHY I wanted to do it. It's from a thread I started in
the procmail-users list.

Thanks for all the various ideas. I'm staying with the for-loop for
simplicity's sake and because this will never see that many files.

What I am doing is setting up a way for the net-idiot type users of a
Volkswagen related list I am on to post images without them having to
learn html, find a host, or resort to pop-up laden free hosts. No
attachments allowed to the list and I'm all for that, it's email. This
started because the listmaster was considering going to a web-forum
setup so images could be displayed. I would drop membership. I'm a
member because the email comes to me, i don't have to remember to log
in at some web page every few days, nor am I forced to use a graphical
interface if I don't want to.

I got my procmail/metamail difficulties worked out. If an email is
sent to a specific address I have set up then procmail grabs it.
Procmail saves the original headers in a temporary folder then passes
it to metamail. Metamail takes out the mime parts and saves those. It
saves the message body using a random name it generates and saves any
other attachments with the names indicated in the mime parts.

I am ONLY worried about gif, jpg, and bmp files. I don't care about
other files and won't make them available. Below is the short script I
have working to handle the graphic files and create a text file of
links to their future web location. All directories cleaned so it
looks like it's all in /, but it's not (to reduce wrapping, I'm bad
about long one-liners).

I still have to add a bit to transfer the files to a web location when
that is determined and use 'mail' to generate a message back to the
list that contains the original text body of the message, the 'links'
that were generated, and the name of the original sender. Since I
can't seem to control the name that metamail uses for the saved text
part I'll probably have to shift the known entities (graphic files and
link text file) to another directory then 'cat' whatever is left inth
the email text. Except, if some other file type is attached that will
get tossed back in also -- ick.

Also note the use of 'convert' to shrink bmp files by converting them
to jpg -- love it when a WIN using friend sends me a 900K bmp that
could have been a 100K jpg.

The script:cat ~/bin/names

#!/bin/bash

typeset -i a=1

if [ `ls /t/*.jpg 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.jpg;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.jpg; a=a+1; done
 if [ `ls /t/*.JPG 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.JPG;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.jpg; a=a+1; done
 fi
fi

if [ `ls /t/*.gif 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.gif;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.gif; a=a+1; done
 if [ `ls /t/*.GIF 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.GIF;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.gif; a=a+1; done
 fi
fi

if [ `ls /t/*.bmp 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.bmp;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.bmp; a=a+1; done
 if [ `ls /t/*.BMP 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.BMP;
   do mmv "$i" /t/`date +%s`-$a.bmp; a=a+1; done
 fi
fi

if [ `ls /t/*.bmp 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
  then for i in /t/*.bmp;
   do convert "$i" `basename "$i" .bmp`.jpg; rm -f "$i"; done
fi

if [ `ls /t/*.jpg 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
 then for i in /t/*.jpg;
  do echo "http://host.com/images/$i"; >>/t/links; done
fi

if [ `ls /t/*.gif 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
 then for i in /t/*.gif;
  do echo "http://host.com/images/$i"; >>/t/links; done
fi



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Re: how to rename multiple files


Colin Watson said:

>> Took a couple of tries to get the syntax correct but I
>> ended up with this:
>>
>> if [ `ls *.jpg 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]
>>
>> then for i in *.jpg; do mmv "$i" `date +%s`-$a.jpg; a=a+1; done
>>
>> fi
>
> In general it's better to avoid putting backticks in the middle of ['s
> arguments; it's just too fragile. Your arithmetic expansion looks a
> bit
> dodgy too. Extending my earlier mail, I'd use:
>
>   export a=0
>   find . -maxdepth 1 -name '*.jpg' -print | while read i; do
> mmv "$i" "`date +%s`-$a.jpg"
> a="$(($a+1))"
>   done
>
> --
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I cut out a bit too much of the script in my example (the dodgy math
is missing parts above it). I'm working on completing the bit I have
and will re-thread this with a new message (and an explanation) in a
bit.

G

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Re: Files saved to one directory Drive space consumed somewhere else

Are you watching the filesapce *AS* the file downloads? Perhaps
whatever you are downloading with is using /tmp to save the file until
it's complete and you don't have /tmp on a separate partition.

G

Denzil Kelly said:

> I downloaded an .iso and specified that it be saved to
> /home/myhome/myiso, however, when doing this wmmount
> shows that the / partition is the one actually
> decreasing in size as the file downloads. Does anyone
> know why this might be happening? I have a 2 drives in
> this box and they are patitioned as indicated below.
>
> Filesystem  Mounted on
> /dev/hda2   /
> /dev/hda1   /boot
> /dev/hdb6   /usr
> /dev/hdb7   /home
> /dev/hda5   /oldhome
>

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Re: how to rename multiple files

Jamin W. Collins said:

> On Sat, Jan 04, 2003 at 07:00:03PM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> wrote:
>
>> I want "TRUE" if there is one or more zzz.jpg files in a directory,
>> "FALSE" if there are zero of them.
>
> Assuming you don't want the names of the files, just whether they are
> there or not:
>
>ls *.ext 2> /dev/null | wc -l
>
> If there are no files you get a 0, if there are you get the number of
> them.  Thus a non-zero result means TRUE and a zero result means
> FALSE.
>
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Thank you. Took a couple of tries to get the syntax correct but I
ended up with this:

if [ `ls *.jpg 2>/dev/null|wc -l` -gt 0 ]

then for i in *.jpg; do mmv "$i" `date +%s`-$a.jpg; a=a+1; done

fi

Works beautifully. (I ripped out the directory names to prevent
wrapping as that stuff is all buried deep in /home/username/.)

G

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Re: how to rename multiple files

Colin Watson said:

> On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 11:20:31AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote:
>> if [ -e *.JPG ]; then for i in *.JPG; do mv "$i" "${i%.JPG}.jpg";
>> done fi
>
> That -e test looks dreadful ... surely it'll usually expand to lots of
> arguments which will confuse [, or perhaps to an empty string
> (nullglob)
> which will also confuse test?
>
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And I've bumped into this. How *DOES* one test for the existence of
ANY file with a given extension without getting a "too many arguments"
error when there are multiple files?

I want "TRUE" if there is one or more zzz.jpg files in a directory,
"FALSE" if there are zero of them.

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Re: Timing a program run?

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:46:19 -0800
"Eric G. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 04:31:39AM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:07:03 -0800
> > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 03:57:10AM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > > > How the heck do I time how long it takes a certain script to
> > > > run?
> > > 
> > > This isn't shell specific.  And you're probably going to have to
> > > get a surgeon to remove your hand from your forhead from hitting
> > > it so hard.  8:o)
> > > 
> > > time 
> > 

> > AHHH -- there it is, in "man bash" buried in "SHELL GRAMMAR -->
> > Pipelines", where it doesn't stand out at all. 
> 
> No. You probably want the time program in package "time".  It'll live
> at/usr/bin/time.

No, I don't have the 'time' package installed (which is why 'locate'
didn't find it) and using "time command" works fine. It's listed in "man
bash" as mentioned above as "The reserved word 'time'".

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[OT] Cleaning up the output of a multiple file rename (bash)

OK, I asked about timing my script because I'm renaming multiple files
using "date +%s" as the base for the new name. I was using a "sleep 1"
in the script to keep the filenames unique because it runs through them
much faster than 1 per second. Too slow if I get a LOT of files. So I
dug around and figured out how to add an incrementing integer as the
last part of the filename.

My problem is that if a particular file extension does NOT exist there
is output to the screen indicating this fact. The new filenames are
being sent to a text file and the output goes there too. I would like to
know how to suppress all output when there is no file to rename.

What I am doing is setting up a script so that HTML/FTP "dumb" users on
an auto-related mailing list that I'm on can send photos as attachments
to a specific email address I have set up. The attachments are split out
by procmail/metamail into a temp directory. The script I'm writing will
rename all the attachments, ftp them to a web folder I will set up, then
generate an email back to the list containing the original TEXT body of
the message accompanying the images plus links to the images themselves.

I also need to figure out how to drop the leading directory name from
the filename when I echo it out to the "links" file though I can script
around that too and clean it up with search/replace after it's
generated. Suppose I could delete the *.xxx lines that way too -- but I
should be able to do it cleanly from the start, right?

The script plus the output and what is echoed to my "links" text file
are below, any assistance appreciated.

Forgive the wrapping, all of the for...done commands are actually on a
single line for each.

G

$username$:cat names
#!/bin/bash

typeset -i a=1
for i in /home/username/metatemp/*.{jpg,JPG}; 
do mmv "$i" /home/username/metatemp/`date +%s`-$a.jpg; 
a=a+1; done

a=1
for i in /home/username/metatemp/*.{gif,GIF}; 
do mmv "$i" /home/username/metatemp/`date +%s`-$a.gif; 
a=a+1; done

a=1
for i in /home/username/metatemp/*.{bmp,BMP}; 
do mmv "$i" /home/username/metatemp/`date +%s`-$a.bmp; 
a=a+1; done

for i in /home/username/metatemp/*.{jpg,JPG,gif,GIF,bmp,BMP}; 
do echo "http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage/$i"; >>
/home/username/metatemp/links; done

**
$username$:time ./names
/home/username/metatemp/*.JPG ->
/home/username/metatemp/1041504285-6.jpg : no match. Nothing done.
/home/username/metatemp/*.gif ->
/home/username/metatemp/1041504285-1.gif : no match. Nothing done.
/home/username/metatemp/*.GIF ->
/home/username/metatemp/1041504285-2.gif : no match. Nothing done.
/home/username/metatemp/*.bmp ->
/home/username/metatemp/1041504285-1.bmp : no match. Nothing done.
/home/username/metatemp/*.BMP ->
/home/username/metatemp/1041504285-2.bmp : no match. Nothing done.

real0m0.102s
user0m0.020s
sys 0m0.040s
**
$username$:cat links
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/1041504285-1.jpg
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/1041504285-2.jpg
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/1041504285-3.jpg
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/1041504285-4.jpg
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/1041504285-5.jpg
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/*.JPG
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/*.gif
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/*.GIF
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/*.bmp
http://www.phorce1.com/hvwcimage//home/username/metatemp/*.BMP

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Re: Timing a program run?

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 02:07:03 -0800
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 03:57:10AM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > How the heck do I time how long it takes a certain script to run?
> 
> This isn't shell specific.  And you're probably going to have to get a
> surgeon to remove your hand from your forhead from hitting it so
> hard.  8:o)
> 
> time 

Where the heck is that documented, and where is the "time" command *AT*?

I typed 'time' at the prompt and got a "syntax error near unexpected
token `newline'" 

I did a "locate n/time" looking for "time" in a "*bin/" directory --
not there.

I searched "man bash-builtins" -- not there.

AHHH -- there it is, in "man bash" buried in "SHELL GRAMMAR -->
Pipelines", where it doesn't stand out at all. 



I knew it was simple, just brain dead at 0400.

Thanks

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Timing a program run?

OK -- dumb question that I can't remember the answer to and can't find
by googling.

How the heck do I time how long it takes a certain script to run?

I've searched the archives and google and apropos and apt-cache on all
kinds of variations of "time" (timing, timer, etc) and can't find
anything.

Do I need to write a 'date +%s' in to the beginning and end of the
script and do the math when it finishes?

Another dumb bash question later if I can't figure it out.

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Re: initializing linux partitions after installation

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:56:36 +
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, but it means you're going to want to move the directory and copy
> its contents to the new mountpoint once you've created it:
> 
> $ sudo bash
> # cd /
> # mv home home-bak
> # mount /home
> # cp -pdR home-bak/* /home
> 

I never created a separate /home partition -- made a 27G /. Decided last
night to clean up and rearrange drives. I've been using /home for all
kinds of storage -- mp3, ogg, local copy of hosted web site, etc. Ended
up having to move 22G of files and put /home on its own 40G drive. 

Don't feel like re-partitioning so now I'm using the extra space in /
for things like /tmp and /var/cache/apt.  

My current drive mess looks like this:

FilesystemTypeSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdc7 ext3 27G  898M   25G   4% /
/dev/hdc3 ext39.2G  4.8G  4.0G  55% /debian
/dev/hdc1 ext3 19M  4.7M   13M  27% /boot
/dev/hdc5 ext3 14G  6.4G  6.7G  49% /usr
/dev/hdc6 ext34.6G  246M  4.2G   6% /var
/dev/sda1 ext3 17G   33M   17G   1% /scsi
/dev/hda2 ext3 28G   15G   12G  58% /mp3.mov
/dev/hdb1 ext3 37G   22G   14G  62% /home

hda is 40G, hdb is 30G, hdc is 60G, and sda is 18G. Still have some
re-arranging to do, just haven't decided what to move where. I like
having most of my free space in one area. With these drives I suppose I
should go to LVM -- does it allow free space to be concatenated across
physical drives?

Gotta figure out what the heck is sucking up /var too since I have
/var/cache/apt sitting elsewhere.

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Re: AOL "art" files

2002-12-31 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:49:35 -0700
Mark Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 05:25:48PM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > Is there something that can view AOL "art" image files? My GF uses
> > AOL and I can't break her of it.
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> 
> Ahhh, the irony...
> 
> You might try passive aggression:
> 
> while [ she_sends_to_your_aol_address ]; do
>echo "You sent me e-mail _where_?"
>echo "I'm sorry but I just keep forgetting to check that account"
>echo "That image you sent me must have gotten corrupted"
> done

Hehe -- actually, she generally only send mail to that address when
she's spotted something "cute" on AOL she wants me to see.
Unfortunately, AOL doesn't show here whether the graphic she's looking
at is a gif, jpg, or art file. If it turns out to be .art I just tell
her I'll look at it when I'm over there.

Of course, since she's running AOL 8, all the email she sends to my
regular addresses is HTML also. At least my MUA's handle it well.

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AOL "art" files

2002-12-30 Thread Gerald Livingston

Is there something that can view AOL "art" image files? My GF uses AOL
and I can't break her of it. That means I have an AOL email address that
I access through mozilla. She sent an email to it with an attached image
that says type image/x-art/base64/inline when I right click on it and
choose "view image". Mozilla just doesn't know what to use to view it.

Tried gqview and gimp1.3 and that was a no-go.

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Re: run-parts

2002-12-30 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:21:18 -0500
Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 01:11:01PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote:
> | On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> | > On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 12:51:33PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote:
> | >
> | > Why not use a dynamic DNS service, such as DynDNS.org?
> |
> | I knew nothing about such a service.
> 
> DDTS (www.ddts.net) is another such service.

And also http://www.no-ip.com

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Re: dhcpd: how to quiet DHCPREQUEST in logs

2002-12-29 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Jeff said:

> Bill Moseley, 2002-Dec-29 10:44 -0800:
>>
>> In my server I've got
>>
>>   default-lease-time 600;
>>
>> but the DHCPREQEST messages are sent from the client every five
>> minutes so

> The default lease time is in seconds, so 600 is 5 minutes.  That's why
> the clients make a new request every 5 minutes.  Change that number to
>
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You need new batteries for your calculator 

600s / 60s/m = 10m

600 seconds = 10 minutes, not 5. So if he's seeing retries every 5
minutes then something else is going on.

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Re: Booting without a monitor: No Go

2002-12-26 Thread Gerald Livingston

On 27 Dec 2002 00:49:30 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 23:31, Curtis Spencer wrote:
> > I have it set up for  Halt On: no error on that BIOS setting, yet
> > strangely I still cannot boot up.  I disconnect all peripherals
> > including the keyboard, but leave just the monitor, and I can watch
> > it boot up just fine.  The kernel output just complains that no AT
> > keyboard is present but I am able to SSH into the system.  
> > 
> > I have done some more investigating with disconnecting the monitor
> > at different times and it seems that once it passes the POST, I can
> > disconnect the monitor and it will continue to boot up fine.  It
> > seems that it needs the monitor at POST.  I think this is no longer
> > a problem with debian, but perhaps someone might have an idea.  It
> > is a Elsa Geforce 2 Vid Card by the way and KT7 Raid.
> 
> Is there a way, from the BIOS setup, to bypass POST, or do a "quick
> POST"?
> 

It's probably the video card bios halting when it can't configure itself
to the 'detected' monitor (which isn't detected because it isn't there).
Try booting with the no video card at all or with an old, cheap,
PCI VGA card plugged in.

G

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Re: computer hypothermia -- help!

2002-12-25 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:24:49 -0600
Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> due to circumstances beyond my control, my computer has spend much of
> the past four days in the trunk of various cars schlepping 1000 miles
> across the frozen Midwest.  i've done this lots of times before, but
> usually the trip takes half as long, and is much colder.
> 
> i have a couple questions, one of which is rather open-ended.  what do
> you think could have caused this?  was it the cold?  do hard drives
> poo from being frozen?
> 
> does this one appear to be legitimately dying?  do i need to look into
> getting a new one now as opposed to the 6 months or more i was going
> to wait?

> 

Is this a desktop or laptop system? If it's a desktop box that's been
carried around I would suggest you get a clean shutdown then open the
box and remove everything that plugs in (cards, memory, maybe even cpu)
then put it all back in. Thermal expansion/contraction has most likely
caused a few bad connections.

G

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[OT] Procmail/metamail assistance

2002-12-25 Thread Gerald Livingston

OK, my eyes are burning from googling and reading man pages. I'd like to
do the following:

When a message comes in with an image attachment I would like that image
saved to a file in a specific directory. I would also like any message
body text saved to a file, and the original sender's name to another
file.

I've been playing with metamail for saving the pieces but I can't figure
out how to save all the parts but I can't figure out how to make it not
require user input.

So far I can get the files saved to the current directory with the
filenames encoded in the mime parts. The body wants to go to a file in
/tmp by default but the binary attachments are saved with the encoded
filenames to the CWD.

What I'm trying to do is let friends/family with no web space (or who
are too computer illiterate to put an image on the web) send me images
as attachments. I will have a specific email address set up for this so
procmail will process ALL messages to that address as if the contain
image attachments. When the message arrives I want all the parts listed
above saved to a specific directory. I will then run a bash script over
them to rename the image files to
"sender_name_mmdd_hhmmss.[jpg|gif]". The senders will be informed
that .bmp files will be deleted, they can download irfanview for
Winboxen and save as .jpg because I don't feel like adding convert to
the mix.

Once the renaming is done the script will ftp the files to a specified
web directory and create an email back to the originator and/or other
specified address with links to the pictures.

Right now I'm working on getting the attachments saved without my
intervention. I haven't even started on the procmail recipe yet (except
to move messages to that specific address into a new folder). I already
have a bash script that wgets images on a regular basis and renames them
with date/time so I have a base to work from on that. Somewhere I have a
snippet I used to use for auto-updating a web page via ftp.

Thanks in advance for any pointers,

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Re: Sylpheed and mail client

2002-12-24 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 03:34:31 +
Carlos Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:29:24 -0500 Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > Sometimes, when I receive mail-list digests, some of the message
> > will display, but not all of it.
> (...) 
> > Obviously, using a more complex, and less likely to be used
> > by accident, section divider would mostly eliminate this problem
> > from the standpoint of a particular digest, but the mailer should be
> > able to prevent the problem.
> 
> I reported this bug almost a year ago (can't find it in the BTS
> though), and got an answer from upstream, through the Debian
> maintainer, saying that Sylpheed follows the relevant RFC's
> scrupulously and they *won't* change the code just because the Debian
> digests are broken.
> 
> So I think this must be solved by changing the divider line in the
> Debian digests, but somehow I don't see that happening :)
> 
> That made me change my subscription to the real lists instead of the
> digest ones, and I'm happy with the move. List digests make it
> difficult to reply to specific messages, it's nearly impossible to
> follow threads, and the savings in bandwidth aren't all that relevant.

Some people get the digests because of high telephone/internet rates. A
single large file downloaded is much faster than many individual
message. Also, for thos who can only connect once, or maybe twice per
day a max size setting for the digest can break up a list such as this
one (up to 300 messages daily) into manageable chunks.

For those people just set up procmail (or "splitdigest") to break the
digests back into individual messages. Then any mailer can handle it.

G

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Re: Saving a system

nate said:

> Gerald V. Livingston II said:
>> I'm dumping an old P-90 so I can give the machine to a friend.
>>
>> When I am in single mode can I safely umount /usr and /var then link
>> their
>> new locations after I copy them over to one of the hard drives. This
>
> yes. I've done this tons of times, never had a problem.
>
> nate
>

Thanks. I'm in the process now of uninstalling every package that's
not needed. When I'm done I should be able to get it all moved back
onto ine drive and have it bootable to console. I had all kinds of
garbage -- X, mp3 files, every game available, etc. spread out over a
1G scsi and a 3G and 4G IDE drive. I'm apt-get and dpkg purging
everything I can think of right now.

What's amazing is that this system was taken down when potato was
FROZEN, not released. I did get it connected to the network (it was a
dial up box but had a NIC installed but not initialized -- added a
stanza to 'interfaces' and it came right up) and when I di an
update/upgrade there were 233 packages needing upgrade just to make it
a "stable" version of potato. 

If I were at home I'd just transfer the files to my own machine. But,
I don't want to transfer several hundreg meg over the T1 here at work
out to the house.

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Re: not work, plese help


Bill Moseley said:

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, eric lin wrote:
>
>> I suspect my system setting or isp level have problem
>
> Have you taken the good advice of all the people that have recommended
> you
> read some introductions to HTML and CGI?
>
> You are posting on four lists that I read -- how many others? Are you
> trolling?

I'm sshing to my mail box and procmailing him out of existence right
now. using From, To, and Cc should catch most replied directed at him
also.

 I hate filtering an individual.

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Saving a system

I'm dumping an old P-90 so I can give the machine to a friend.

When I am in single mode can I safely umount /usr and /var then link
their new locations after I copy them over to one of the hard drives.
This machine is not net connected and I'm trying to squeeze all the
files onto a single drive so I can go through them later to see what's
there. In order to do that I have to move /usr and /var to clear some
space.

This is a potato machine. Fired up fine after sitting in the garage
since 1999.

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Re: ntpd / ntpdate on a dialup line

Mark Zimmerman said:

> Greetings:
>
> With all the traffic on ntp stuff recently, I thought this would be a
> good time to ask:
>
> Is there a better solution than ntpdate on a dialup machine?
> Currently, I run it from an ip-up.d script. I was looking to see if
> ntpd could run continuously but only make external connections when it
> "knows" that the link is up, where "knows" is somehow provided to it
> externally. There doesn't seem to be such a capability.
>
> No big deal, though; at least the ip-up.d script will usually not add
> to the thunderclap effect.
>
> -- Mark

apt-get install chrony

Quite nice. Also will work from ip-up.d/down.d.

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Re: not work


eric lin said:

> but my html.index of C:\apach2\htdocs\ or /var/www/index.html
>
>Actually in the start apache2 in dos mode, I get some error or
> warning
> message
> (730048)Only one usage of each socket address (protocal/network
> address/port) is normally permitted.  : make_sock: could not bind to
> address
> 0.0.0.0:80
> no listening sockets available, shutting down
>

Go away. Find a good HTML tutor page. Play with it 'til it works.

Or go find an Apache related list and see how long they tolerate you.

Not only are you not discussing Debian -- you are now discussing
running apache on OS's other than Linux.

And all because you can't get your COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING site to work
the way you want. Advertising that you sell PC's with PROGENY
pre-installed. I'd be really inclined to trust those machines since
you don't seem to have yet learned how to read documentation (or take
a hint).

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Re: about web link


Vineet Kumar said:

> This mailing list is intended for community support for Debian
> GNU/Linux.  As it is extraordinarily high-traffic already, we would
> appreciate that everyone try to limit posts here to on-topic questions
> (somehow related to Debian), and take other questions to more
> appropriate fora.

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Re: Compiling a kernel on an UltraSparc?

Nathan E Norman said:

> On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 01:40:51AM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> wrote:
>> Is there any special info on getting a 2.4.20 kernel to compile
>> under
>> woody on a Sun UltraSparc-1 Creator.
>>
>> Yes, the Debian Way (tm) -- or not, I don't care. Right now it fails
>> at the "make dep" stage using either method. First it was some
>> missing
>> header files. Figured out where they were and got that fixed.
>>
>> Then it was "cannot execute cc1 -- no such file". Found it, linked
>> it
>> into /usr/bin. Now it an "invalid option to "cc1":
>>
>> "cc1   --mmedlow  no such option"
>>
>> Cascading errors, yuck.
>
> Did you follow the instructions found at
>
>   http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/#kernelsun4u
>
> ?
>
> Note that you need to install package 'egcs64'.
>
> You should undo the link you created, and I'm nervous about whatever
> you did regarding "missing header files".  Please post the exact
> commands you issued and the errors you received.
>
> BTW, 2.4.20 is not the kernel you want if you run ext3 filesystems.
> OTOH, 2.4.19 seems to not want to provide DRM support for the Creator.
>
> I'm running 2.4.20 on an Ultra 30 w/Creator 3D, and 2.4.19 on an Ultra
> 60 headless.  Both compiled "the debian way" using source from
> kernel.org.
>

I'm working through the sparc page instructions again right now.
Appears to be a case of too many hands in the pot. The gentleman who
owns the box has been a RH user forever. He was alone with the system
overnight and it appears he was playing with aptitude and trying to
compile the kernel by hand the i386 way.

We had gcc packages from all over the place and links to who knows
what. egcs64 (which I HAD installed) was there, but not really.

I went through and --purge removed every gcc package I could without
removing the whole system. Reinstalled egcs64 then gcc-3* (which
pulled a lot of 2.95 back in). the compile of 2.4.20 is running now
and don't think I even saw any warnings.

Gotta love ssh though. I was getting really tired of running back and
forth between offices trying to fix that box. Now if the happy meal
driver will just hold up for a bit longer.

Where did you see text regarding 2.4.20 problems with ext3? The box
has ext2 right now but I was going to convert some time after the
kernel upgrade.

Thank you,

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Re: Compiling a kernel on an UltraSparc?


nate said:

> Gerald V. Livingston II said:
>> Is there any special info on getting a 2.4.20 kernel to compile
>> under
>> woody on a Sun UltraSparc-1 Creator.
>
>
> I'm not sure how closely you track the kernel but I've read several
> places that the "generic" kernel is rarely the choice for anything
> other then x86. the non x86 stuff is not always in sync, doesn't
> always
> work etc ...that said, where did you get the sources? I would expect
> the source package for whatever kernels debian has to build on the
> sparc. But if your getting a kernel directly from kernel.org it may
> not(without some patches).
>
> I don't have personal experience with linux on sparc yet, Downloading
> the woody ISOs for it now and plan to install it on my ultra 1
> probably
> tomorrow though.
>
> nate
>

I'll have to check to see if there are 2.4.20 source packages for
sparc. I know the kernel-image packages only go up to 2.4.19 so I had
grabbed the kernel source from kernel.org.

Be aware that anything less than 2.4.19 (woody installs 2.4.18) has
some problems with the happy meal ethernet interface. I googled around
and it seems it it a kernel problem that was solved at around
2.4.19.pre4 or so. I saw no reason to install a 2.4.19 kernel when
2.4.20 is out. Besides, I want to build a lean kernel with everything
we don't need stripped out.

Woody seems to have kernel-image up to 2.4.19 but kernel-source only
up to 2.4.18 for sparc. Guess I'll have to look in Sarge for the
kernel-source package.

I'll report progress.

Gerald

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Compiling a kernel on an UltraSparc?

2002-12-20 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Is there any special info on getting a 2.4.20 kernel to compile under
woody on a Sun UltraSparc-1 Creator.

Yes, the Debian Way (tm) -- or not, I don't care. Right now it fails
at the "make dep" stage using either method. First it was some missing
header files. Figured out where they were and got that fixed.

Then it was "cannot execute cc1 -- no such file". Found it, linked it
into /usr/bin. Now it an "invalid option to "cc1":

"cc1   --mmedlow ---- no such option"

Cascading errors, yuck.

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(SOLVED) Re: woody and X on a Sun UltraSparc 1 Creator

2002-12-19 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II


Gerald V. Livingston II said:

> OK, got woody installed OK but I can't seem to figure out which video
> to use when trying to set up X. Has anyone else set up woody and X-4
> on an UltraSparc 1 Creator? Any tips appreciated.
>
> No mail access on the machine yet so copies of errors from startx will
> be difficult. If noone replies with a magical solution I'll get
> ssh/mutt working on the box so I can reach the IMAP box on my home
> machine (accessing now via squirrelmail on another box).
>
> Thanks
>

I found the problem. Using sunffb but debconf had also selected dri
for loading. sunfb didn't appreciate that. Removed the dri module line
and all works well.

Gerald

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woody and X on a Sun UltraSparc 1 Creator

2002-12-19 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

OK, got woody installed OK but I can't seem to figure out which video
to use when trying to set up X. Has anyone else set up woody and X-4
on an UltraSparc 1 Creator? Any tips appreciated.

No mail access on the machine yet so copies of errors from startx will
be difficult. If noone replies with a magical solution I'll get
ssh/mutt working on the box so I can reach the IMAP box on my home
machine (accessing now via squirrelmail on another box).

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Re: Its a SPAM & Fuck You.

2002-12-15 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II


Robert L. Harris said:

> But atleast it's not the Nigerian spam so he gets 2 points for
> originality.  Obviously not IQ points though.

I'm still trying to figure out just what the purpose of the Nigerian
spam is. It's started changing countries a bit lately. I replied to
one of those from a junk email address last year sometime. Actually
had a conversation (of sorts) going for a week or so. Never quite got
to the pitch where they asked for my money for anything though.
Probably because I insisted I was a "cash only" proponent and had no
active bank account or credit cards.

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Re: smtp of ISP needs passwd,how to setup exim?

2002-12-15 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Dai Yuwen said:

> Hi, all
>
> I want to setup exim use my ISP's smtp server as a smart host.  But
> this
> smtp server needs user name and password.  How do I use exim this way?
>  Thank you in advance.
>
> Best regards,
> Dai Yuwen
>

This was just covered in the last 4 or 5 days. Please check the
archives for the subject "Help! Exim & verizon.net".

Gerald

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Re: Courier-IMAP folder layout

2002-12-13 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Alex Malinovich said:

> I've decided to give courier a shot at replacing uw-imap since it's
> gotten really slow lately. I've got it set up on a testing machine,
> but
> I'm having a problem with getting a proper folder hierarchy set up.
> Using uw-imap, I can create as many root folders as I want. That way,
> when I open up my folder view in Evolution I can see:
>
> - username@servername
>   |
>   |-- INBOX
>   |-- Trash
>   --- Work
> |
> |-- Memos
> |-- Personal
> |-- Professional
>
> However, on the courier-imap server, I have the following:
>
> - username@servername
>   |
>   --- INBOX
> |
> |-- Inbox
> |-- Trash
>
> That is, all of my folders are being created within the INBOX
> (~/Maildir) folder. I understand that this is a feature of the maildir
> format as well as how to do hierarchical folders within the Maildir
> folder. But what I need is a way to "hide" INBOX (since it's not
> really
> an inbox at all) and ONLY show Inbox and Trash like I can with the
> uw-imap server. Either that or a way to have multiple maildir's called
> different things within my home directory so that I can have folders
> other than just INBOX shown as the default. Any suggestions? TIA.

A lot of it depends on the mail client itself also. Right now I'm at
work and using squirrelmail that I have set up on my home system. What
I see in my folder pane to the left is:

-INBOX
   Drafts
   Sent
   Trash
   BSKA
   Debian-User
  Debian-User-Keep
   Ebay
   Nikki
  Nikki-Save
   VVW

Creating folders within folders works fine in squirrelmail. I actually
have a LOT more folders than I can see at the moment. Some of them I
only subscribe to for a few moments when I want to move something into
them for archiving. The "BSKA" folder has under it dated monthly
archive folders named as "BSKA-Archive-mm-" from 08-2001 to
12-2002.

Looking at the exact same set of folders using Sylpheed when I am at
home I see:

-GV (IMAP4)
 INBOX
 TRASH
 SENT
 BSKA
   Debian-User
  Debian-User-Keep
   Ebay
   Nikki
  Nikki-Save
   VVW

Sylpheed seems to move the INBOX down a level and then treat the other
folders as if they are not actually subfolders within it.

Still other mail clients have trouble dealing with folders within
folders at all. If I get stuck at a box with only MS products on it
and I can't access my squirrelmail for some reason (I run sid and my
apache was broken for a while) then I use Outlook Express as a last
resort. I seem to recall that it doesn't see any messages in the top
level INBOX at all but deals with all the folders within it (and the
folders within those folders) just fine.

It all seems to depend on how closely the various parts follow the
IMAP RFC's.

What I've done with my own mail setup is to completely ignore the top
level "INBOX". I use procmail for all my filtering so I simply make
sure nothing ever gets delivered to that box. That way if I'm stuck on
a system that can't see messages in that folder I'm still OK. I have a
folder called "inbox2" that is my "final failure" destination for any
messages that procmail doesn't deliver to any other folder.

It also seems to depend on whether the client is designed to work with
more than just the IMAP server. Sylpheed DOES show another
account/inbox/trash/sent ABOVE those IMAP folders I listed. I believe
that is a 'local' inbox within the structure of Sylpheed itself. I
recall trying to get rid of it at some point but simply choosing to
ignore it finally. I believe trying to delete that "account" wanted to
wipe out everything. Annoying, but not fatal. I just ignore it (which
is why I forgot it until now -- I keep my folder list scrolled down to
the point that it isn't visible.

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Re: Help! Exim & verizon.net

2002-12-13 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:44:37 -0500
R Ransbottom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:20:55PM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> wrote:
> > 
> > R Ransbottom said:
> > 
> > >
> > > I am trying to set up a debian mail server that
> > > sees the world through incoming.verizon.net and
> > > outgoing.verizon.net.
> 
> > Short reply for now. It can be done. I'm using smarthost with SMTP
> > auth on my home system. I am remote right now on a weak machine so I
> > don't want to ssh to my box to dig through the config. I will be
> > home in a few hours and will post the solution then if no-one else
> > has.
> 
> I would appreciate the info.  I've read the other posts and spec.txt
> chap 35 and think I have a handle on this, but I must be missing
> something basic.

Sorry -- eneded up staying out overnight. Life has been hectic here
the last 3 weeks or so. Here is the relevant section that makes it work
for me. I first set up using the"smarthost" option then dug around on
the net until I found this.

This is for a smarthost that uses "plain" or "NT" SMTP AUTH.

This section is added in its entirety at the very end of the exim.conf
file. Note that the lines that start with "server_condition = " have
wrapped and should be one line all the way out to the " {0}}" ".

Also, the second part, starting with "login:" is not needed. That
section causes *MY* Exim setup to use SMTP AUTH for one particular local
username so I can send mail out through my own mail server (which then
goes out through the smarthost) when I am using another physical machine
since I have all non-local machines restricted from relaying further up
in the exim.conf file. Only that one username can relay mail unless
actually sending from the local machine. I set that up since I quite
often use my laptop on several different networks and discovered I
couldn't use "localhost" as my outgoing mail server. It lets me keep a
similar mail setup on both my laptop and desktop (Sylpheed reading IMAP
folders -- through an ssh tunnel if I'm not local).

Gerald

##
#   AUTHENTICATION CONFIGURATION #
##

# Look in the documentation (in package exim-doc or exim-doc-html for 
# information on how to set up authenticated connections.

# The examples below allow two styles of plain-text authentication
# against an /etc/exim-passwd file which should have user IDs in the
# first column and crypted passwords in the second

 plain:
   driver = plaintext
   public_name = PLAIN
   client_send = ^username^password
   server_condition = "${if
crypteq{$2}{${extract{1}{:}{${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/exim-passwd}{$valu
e}{*:*}{1}{0}}"   
   server_set_id = $1

 login:
   driver = plaintext
   public_name = LOGIN
   client_send = :localauthorizedusername:password
   server_prompts = "Username:: : Password::"
   server_condition = "${if
crypteq{$2}{${extract{1}{:}{${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/exim-passwd}{$valu
e}{*:*}{1}{0}}"
   server_set_id = $1

# End of Exim configuration file

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Re: Help! Exim & verizon.net

2002-12-12 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II


R Ransbottom said:

>
> I am trying to set up a debian mail server that
> sees the world through incoming.verizon.net and
> outgoing.verizon.net.
>
> Fetchmail is set up and recieving mail fine.
>
> I have muddled through a few small setups of
> sendmail, smail and exim over the years.
>
> Verizon has "authenticated SMTP" which is one
> snag.  I don't know how I'm supposed to set
> this up on my end.  I don't even know which
> protocols are equivalent from smtp EHLO output
> and exim terminology.

Short reply for now. It can be done. I'm using smarthost with SMTP
auth on my home system. I am remote right now on a weak machine so I
don't want to ssh to my box to dig through the config. I will be home
in a few hours and will post the solution then if no-one else has.

Gerald

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Re: courier-imap

2002-12-11 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II

Derrick 'dman' Hudson said:

> | Or did I miss something with uw-imap and squirrelmail?
> | SquirrelMail is creating folders in the format of:
> | INBOX.Sent and uw-imap has folders like Sent.
>
> I have squirrelmail and uw-imap together on my machine.  I did find
> a bug filed as #152219 but I think it has been fixed already.  (hmm, I
> should un-hack my squirrelmail and test it :-)).
>
> In IMAP, the "INBOX.Sent" notation means that the folder named "Sent"
> has the path "INBOX".  So if "INBOX" is located on disk as ~/Mail,
> then the Sent folder would be ~/Mail/Sent.  If that's the situation
> you're seeing, that's normal.  (The real details, I believe, is that
> INBOX is /var/mail/$USER and all other folders reside under ~/Mail)
>
> -D

Running Courier/Exim here. INBOX = ~/Maildir, SENT = ~/Maildir/.SENT,
Debian-user = ~/Maildir/.Debian-user, Debian-User-Archive =
~/Maildir/.Debian-user/.Debian-User-Archive, etc. Courier understands
folders within folder as does Squirrelmail. I subscribe to my basic
set of folders that mail gets dropped into. When a folder starts to
fill with stuff I want to keep I subscribe to the "archive" folder
that I have created for it and dump some stuff over.

Courier and Squirrelmail seem to work fine for small/medium folders.
When I got over about 1200 - 1500 messages in a single folder because
I was away a few days then Squirrelmail seemed to barf and started
issuing errors. Turns out after reading through the errors it was
actually php4 having timeout and memory stack issues trying to index
the large folder. Modifed a couple of lines in
/etc/php4/apache/php.ini and now it works (slowly) even if I forget to
clean house and end up with 2000+ messages in one folder.

If you don't want to muck about with getting postfix to deliver to
Maildir folders just install procmail and add a simple .procmailrc to
all users home directories that does the delivery. I use procmail to
sort to about 12 or 15 different folders based on many criteria. I
believe most debainized MTA's are set up by default to deliver through
procmail if a .procmailrc resides in a user's home directory.

Gerald

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Re: Fetchmail doesn't fetch

2002-12-09 Thread Gerald V. Livingston II


Sam Rosenfeld said:

> My command of "fetchmail" yields an index of messages which hangs and
> then after it times out (300 sec), gives the reason for the error as
> "7". ?The manpage says this condition (fetchmail timing out) can occur
> "while waiting for the server."
> [SNIP]
> 1666 messages (21 seen) for sam at wdn.com.
> fetchmail: IMAP> A0005 FETCH 1:1666 RFC822.SIZE
> fetchmail: IMAP< * 1 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 2972)
> fetchmail: IMAP< * 2 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 4961)
>
> SHORTENING because this list seems to have limited utility.
>
> fetchmail: IMAP< * 903 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 2786)
> fetchmail: IMAP< * 904 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 4089)
> fetchmail: IMAP< * 905 FETCH (RFC822.SIZE 2934)
> fetchmail: terminated with signal 2
> fetchmail: Deleting fetchids file.
>

Try using the '-B' option to fetchmail to limit the number of messages
retrieved in a single batch to some sane number like 300 or so. Looks
like the IMAP server on the other end is dying after delivering nearly
1000 messages to you.

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Re: What [OT] stands for?

2002-12-08 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:20:01 +0900
hiranokazunari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Can anyone tell me what [OT] stands for, which I often see in the
> message title box for this mailing list?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Nari

[O]ff [T]opic


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Downgrade sid libc6?

2002-12-07 Thread Gerald V . Livingston II

OK, I'm running sid. I've dug around and it appears my dying apache is
because of php4-imap -- and this is being caused overall by the libc6
problem. 

What kind of trouble am I looking at trying to downgrade libc6 to the
testing version and how would I go about it. I've downgraded other
things but this is rather big.

Thanks,

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Re: Webmail question

2002-11-29 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:00:40 -0500
"David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks! I'll look into procmail..
> 
> I'm assuming its an MTA (replacement for exim)?
> 
> - David
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Gerald Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Webmail question
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:23:49 -0500
> > "David Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > This works great for reading 100-200 messages, but my Debian
> > > folder times out (1000+ messages), squirrelmail seems to be kinda
> > > slow for reading large amount of messages. So my question, does
> > > anyone know if there is a higher performance webmail client that
> > > would work well in the above setup?
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > David
> > 
> > I don't know of anything faster but check the following:
> > 
> > in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini
> > 
> > search for "max_execution_time" and increase it (but not too much)
> > 
> > You may also want to increase "memory_limit" a bit.
> > 
> > Now, what you REALLY need to do is set up procmail to deliver your
> > mail into sorted folders so you don't end up with 1000+ messages in
> > a single folder. If you tend to archive messages like I do then
> > create archive folders for old mail and start moving messages there.
> > I create monthly folders for a couple of medium volume lists I am on
> > (1000 to 2000 messages/month) and on the first day of each month I
> > move all messages from the "main" list folder off to a new archive
> > folder.
> > 
> > For debian_user I keep messages I may be interested in re-reading in
> > a separate folder and when it approaches 1000 - 1500 messages I just
> > start a new folder or flip through that one and delete messages I
> > decide I'm no longer interested in keeping --- they're in the
> > archives at debian.org if I need to find them again.
> > 
> > G

1st, I use courier imapd -- you'll need to verify some of this delivery
stuff as far as Cyrus goes and get all of your mail folder paths
straight. I do not know the Cyrus setup at all, Courier uses regular
folders in my home directory and stores mail in MAILDIR format.

No, it's a mail "filtering" program. If you install it and leave exim
alone exim will use it if you have a .procmailrc file in your home
directory or deliver as usual if you don't. I have Courier IMAP set up
with ~/Maildir as my main IMAP folder and I set up my .procmailrc to
deliver there (and subfolders in it) and left exim alone. That way if I
have a user on my system who does NOT want to use IMAP their mail will
still go to /var/mail/{username} and they can use POP3 or a local mail
program to read it rather than having to set up an IMAP client or use
squirrelmail.

My apache is broken right now anyway and I don't feel like figuring out
why so squirrelmail is down. I use Sylpheed to read my IMAP box both
here on the local machine and from mt laptop through an ssh tunnel when
I'm away from here.

Any web search for "procmail" should bring about a zillion hits. If you
just apt-get install procmail it will get it on your system but not
actually use it for anything. You have to set up a ~/.procmailrc before
it gets used for filtering.

Here's a most of my .procmailrc showing delivery to my
~/Maildir/.whatever folders. Note that you cannot use "~" to denote your
home directory, you must use $HOME and Maildir folders MUST be
terminated with a "/" or it will deliver to MH style folders.

Also note the commented out backup section. It would be a GOOD IDEA to
create a folder called "backup" and uncomment that section when you are
"playing" with setup. Just remember to go empty that folder daily
because it will get a copy of EVERY message that gets delivered to you.

Also note the "final failure" catchall at the end. If none of the other
recipes deliver the mail to another folder then this will catch it and
deliver it to a box set up as an "inbox" for "all other unsorted mail".

G

SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/mh/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/
LOGFILE=$HOME/Mail/fetchlog

#Regenerate a clean 'From' header
:0fhw
|formail -I "From " -a "From "

#Copy all incoming mail to ~/mail/backup **CLEAN WEEKLY BY HAND**
#:0c:
#.backup/

#debian-user
:0:
* ^Resent-Sender.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Debian-User/

#debian-firewall
:0:
* ^Resent-Sender.*[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server ???

2002-11-28 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:00:56 +0100
Tobias Kraus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > daves debian wrote:
> > > When i am logged in as a user, I want to execute an X program as
> > > root, I type
> > > su
> > > 
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > The X library has been refused by the X server, because root is
> > > not autherised to connect to the server ??
> >
> > ...
> >
> >only authorized user can connect to X server, just because you
> >are
> > root doesn't mean you can connect to X server on given machine (just
> > like you cannot connect to other services - e.g. you'd still need
> > password for database, ...)
> >
> >you have few options:
> >
> >1) xhost (see man xhost), don't do that though!
> >
> >2) as root run: xauth merge ~userThatRunsX/.Xauthority
> >
> >option 2 will give you access to X server without compromising
> > security (while it's running, if you restart X you have to run xauth
> > again)
> >
> > erik
> 
> alternatively you can do this in the root home directory (/root):
> 
> ln -s ~userThatRunsX/.Xauthority .
> 
> This will work as long as you don't log in in X as root. Then, the
> .Xauthority file will be overwritten.
> 
> Tobias
> 

On my system, when I'm in X, my XAUTHORITY environment variable is set
to something like

XAUTHORITY=/tmp/.gdmXfTqzn

This is being done because I use gdm. Is there any way to automatically
determine what that's going to be or a way to link to XAUTHORITY when it
changes every login? I'm trying to use the X display in a procmail
recipe when I'm logged in but since the XAUTHORITY variable keeps
changing I can't set it arbitrarily in the .procmailrc environment
lines.

For the user who started this thread -- if you have the same problem,
you can set up sudo for the user that needs root access. It works
without having to play with xauth.

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[PARTLY SOLVED - NEW QUESTION] Re: giving access to local X disply in procmail

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:42:36 -0600
Gerald Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've dug through documentation all over the place and no go so far. 
> 
> How can I let a procmail recipe pop up a display using xmessage if the
> user owning the procmailrc happens to be logged in to a local xsession
> at the time it is processed? I keep getting the following error:
> 
> Error: Can't open display: 
> 
> This is the recipe:
> 
> #test case
> :0bc
> * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |/usr/X11R6/bin/xmessage --display :0.0 -default okay -nearmouse -file
> |-
> 
> I have xmessage working how I want from the command line, just can't
> get it to pop to the displat from procmail.
> 
> I'll also need to add a "&" on that recipe so procmail won't stop
> there, right?
> 
> G

I now have this working, so long as I don't log out, then back in to X.
See below for my new question. Here is aht I have done to get it
working.

I'm using gdm and gnome. Every tim I log in my XAUTHORITY changes to a
new file in /tmp. So, after I get logged in to X I issue the following
command in a shell:

set|grep XAUTH>~/tempfile

then I use this .procmailrc snippet to let procmail use the X display:
SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/mh/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/
LOGFILE=$HOME/Mail/fetchlog
XMSG=/usr/X11R6/bin/xmessage
DISPLAY=:0
PROCX=$HOME/tempfile
INCLUDERC=$PROCX
#FAILDROP=failed.mail

Note the PROCX variable and the INCLUDERC. This sets the XAUTHORITY
variable in .procmailrc.

So, what I need now is a way to automatically issue that cat command
each time I log in through gdm. Does a gdm login even look at
~/.xsession? If it DOES, has the XAUTH already been issued at that
point?

And, lastly, is there a way to modify that tempfile when I log out of X
(make its only line say XAUTHORITY rather than
XAUTHORITY=/tmp/something)  so I can include a test in procmail to skip
the display recipe if XAUTHORITY is un-set?

Thanks,

Gerald

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giving access to local X disply in procmail

I've dug through documentation all over the place and no go so far. 

How can I let a procmail recipe pop up a display using xmessage if the
user owning the procmailrc happens to be logged in to a local xsession
at the time it is processed? I keep getting the following error:

procmail: Couldn't determine implicit lockfile from
"/usr/X11R6/bin/xmessage" 
Error: Can't open display: 

This is the recipe:

#test case
:0bc
* ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|/usr/X11R6/bin/xmessage --display :0.0 -default okay -nearmouse -file -

I tried adding an su to the user's id but then it complains that su must
be run from a terminal (even though I used -c?).

I fixed the lockfile error (by not using one on the "c" recipe) and the
message drops into my mailbox by the next matching recipe just fine.

I have xmessage working how I want from the command line, just can't get
it to pop to the displat from procmail.

I'll also need to add a "&" on that recipe so procmail won't stop there,
right?

G

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Re: Postfix server acting as relay !!!!

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:53:59 -0800
Curtis Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I took your advice, except for the check_relay_domains, but
> still I am relaying. I guess the intended recipients have FQDNs.
> 
> check_relay_domains I am not using because originally that is what I 
> did, but it would only relay to those domains.  What if an authorized 
> user wishes to send a letter to someone at yahoo.com?  It's not in the
> 
> relay domains, therefore it is dropped.
> 
> Curtis
> 

I don't know how to do it in PostFix but for my Exim setup I allow
relaying TO any domain but only FROM machines on the local net or FROM
authorized users using SMTP-AUTH (must have a valid user/password on the
mail host).

G

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Re: Looking for a backup to CD-R(W) program

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:08:53 -0500 (EST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Nahmias) wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Linus himself said that using
> dump on live (mounted) filesystems was a bad idea.  I'll see if I can
> dig up a reference to it...
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> Joe
> 
> > Chris Lale wrote:
> > > Incremental daily backup:
> > > dump -3u -z -M -B 65 -f /bkp/home/monday.dump /home
> > 
> > Whoops! that should be -9 not -3:
> > dump -9u -z -M -B 65 -f /bkp/home/daily.dump /home
> > 

>From the top of the "cdbackup" man page:

DESCRIPTION

cdbackup  is  a utility to make streaming backups to CD-R(W)
disks. It's designed to work with any backup tool which writes the
backup to stdout   (like tar/cpio/afio).

NOTE: this program REQUIRES that a recent version of cdrecord(1)
is present in the PATH.

WARNING! When using this program under Linux, be sure not to use
dump on a mounted filesystem. This has a high potential for creating 
corrupted   backups.  As  of  kernel  version  2.4.19,  this  has
not been fixed and it may not be fixed at all.  You can read Linus
statement about this at  

<http://search.alphanet.ch/cgi-bin/search.cgi?max_results=10&type=long&;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&do
main=ml-linux-kernel>

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Re: Virus Alert - ScanMail for Lotus Notes

2002-11-21 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:31:30 -0800
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 01:16 AM 11/22/02 +, Colin Watson wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:03:38PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> >> This list allows non-subscribers to post, right?  Why is that?  
> >
> >If you've been around for a bit, you'll have seen really quite
> >frequent posts from people saying "I can't handle the volume of this
> >list, so I'm not subscribed; please cc me on replies". The spam
> 
> But if someone doesn't subscribe they have the chance that a reply to
> their question won't go to them (only to the list).  And I also think
> it's trivial and fast to subscribe during time you ask your question
> and expect replies.

That's what the archives are for. During periods that I feel overwhelmed
by list volume I unsubscribe == If I ask a question I don't usually
request a CC -- I just go to the archives a few days later and search on
my original subject.

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Re: Visual notice for X

2002-11-21 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:49:20 +1100
Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:04:25AM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > I'm working with osd_cat from the xosd packages right now. But since
> > it backgrounds and doesn't open an actual window I haven't figured a
> > way to make it stick until I dismiss it. It's timed right now
> > depending on the command line.
> 
> xmessage sounds like what you want.  Maybe combine it with bblaunch if
> you need stickiness.
> 
> -rob

Thank you Rob.

That is exactly what I was looking for. I'm glad I started the thread
though, osd_cat looks like a neat toy to play with for adding completion
notices to scripts that I background. The transparency allows me to get
the notice without interrupting what I'm doing in the foreground (which
is what annoys me about instant message programs -- they tend to pop up
and grab the mouse/keyboard focus -- I only want that to happen for one
specific person).

G

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Re: Visual notice for X

2002-11-19 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:41:01 -0500
Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, Gerald Livingston said:
> > What I am searching for is a way for my girlfriend to let me know
> > she has arrived home from work without having to telephone me. It is
> > a toll call for her to call me, but not a toll call for me to call
> > her. I may go for hours without actually reading my email so that is
> > rather useless. and I do not like to leave gAIM or EveryBuddy
> > active. She is the only person I chat online with so I don't want
> > them using rescources or popping up in an annoying fashion when
> > others choose to send an IM that I am not interested in responding
> > to.

> You can use any of the standard email notification programs - if you
> use GNOME, there's a panel applet - and filter the desired email to,
> say,~/Mail/Honey_Im_Home.  Have the biff clone watch that folder only,
> and that should do it.  I think the GNOME one will even play a sound
> when new mail arrives.

I'll have to look into that. I have procmail sorting to Maildir folders
because I use an IMAP server locally. If it reports on more than mail
specifically from her I would soon begin to ignore it.

I'm working with osd_cat from the xosd packages right now. But since it
backgrounds and doesn't open an actual window I haven't figured a way to
make it stick until I dismiss it. It's timed right now depending on the
command line.

Fairly nice but I'll have to select a text color and font that will show
over most anything as the backfround colors in the various apps I use
aren't consistent.

I suppose I just need to go ahead and learn enough TK to write a small
program of my own that will open a separate message window when called,
something that will persist until closed. Could probably read through
the CDRToaster source to learn that much. I've already managed to resize
it's internal box sizes (audio track list wasn't wide enough) and
modified most of the text for the heck of it.

Thanks,

G

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Postscript printer help

2002-11-18 Thread Gerald Livingston

I was given a postscript (level 2) capable color laser printer (HP Color
LaserJet 5M). What should I use as a print spool setup? I've installed
CUPS but it doesn't seem to be offering a plain postscript dump option.
I located a .ps file on my system
(/usr/share/apps/kdeprint/testprint.ps) and just did a 'cat
/usr/share/apps/kdeprint/testprint.ps>/dev/lp0' and it worked
beautifully, color and all. 

Should I remove all CUPS related packages and simply install lprng and
magicfilter?

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Re: Visual notice for X

2002-11-18 Thread Gerald Livingston

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:37:36 +0700
Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 11:51:48PM -0600, Gerald Livingston wrote:
> > Is there something that can be run in X that will force a "visual"
> > notice of an event regardless of what window you happen to be
> > looking at? I am usually in X now and always run apps maximized so
> > changing the root background with xsetroot won't work (had
> > considered that). Audio is out because I usually have the volume
> > turned down because I share this room.
> 
> kWhat about installing a desktop mgr?
> In Gnome, you'd always have the panel and the menu panel (if you had
> set them up), and when the main window is max'ed, it won't overlap the
> panels.
> 
> Oki
> 
> 

Actually, I'm using Gnome. But I like to have and use my entire screen.
My panels are set to autohide with a 1 pixel height as all that remains
showing.When I maximize an app it fills the entire screen. xsetroot to
change the background would work only while I was in a gnometerm because
I use a transparent BG there.

What I am searching for is a way for my girlfriend to let me know she
has arrived home from work without having to telephone me. It is a toll
call for her to call me, but not a toll call for me to call her. I may
go for hours without actually reading my email so that is rather
useless. and I do not like to leave gAIM or EveryBuddy active. She is
the only person I chat online with so I don't want them using rescources
or popping up in an annoying fashion when others choose to send an IM
that I am not interested in responding to.

I would like to set up a couple of programs that will pop up a window on
my current Sawfish workspace over the top of anything else I happen to
be viewing. I'll then use procmail to fire the correct program if she
sends an email with a specific subject.

G

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Visual notice for X

2002-11-18 Thread Gerald Livingston

Is there something that can be run in X that will force a "visual"
notice of an event regardless of what window you happen to be looking
at? I am usually in X now and always run apps maximized so changing the
root background with xsetroot won't work (had considered that). Audio is
out because I usually have the volume turned down because I share this
room.

Thanks,

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Re: amavis - which one?

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:04:27 -0800 (PST)
"nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kevin Coyner said:
> >
> > I'm setting up clamav and amavis to scan incoming email.
> >
> > A quick check of apt-cache search amavis gives me several choices:
> >
> > amavis-exim - Interface between MTA and virus scanner.
> > amavis-milter - Interface between MTA and virus scanner.
> > amavis-ng - AMaViS "Next Generation"
> >
> > I'm guessing that ng would be the one to use.  My MTA is exim
> > though, so that seems a logical choice too.
> >
> > Would appreciate any guidance on which one to grab.
> 
> last I remember, amavis-ng was tuned for big servers, processing
> thousands or tens of thousands of messages a day. If your server does
> not do this I would reccomend amavis-exim. I can't say for certain
> though since my woody doesn't have amavis-exim, only amavis-postfix. I
> run amavisd(snapshot 3, march 2002 I think, downloaded from
> amavis.org) on several systems, and also run amavis-perl-11 on a
> couple systems as well, both work well. they are in general more
> tested then amavis-ng. though, more recently perhaps the tables have
> turned.
> 
> nate

If running sid (unstable) Amavis-ng is not currently working properly
with perl 5.8. I don't know about the others as I haven't tried them.
I'm thinking of trying some of the CVS versions of Amavis to see if I
can get it working. Need to scan mail for my mom and brther.

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Re: [OT] RFC 822?

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:13:29 -0600
"Gary Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:21:03 -0600, Gerald V.Livingston II wrote:
> 
> snip
> 
> >3 to 6 characters using the alphabet only, no numerals, underscores,
> >or full-stops then we are looking at (3^26)+(4^26)+(5^26)+(6^26) or
> >172,076,350,440,456,172,706 messages in the queue. 
> 
> Uh, I think that's 26^3 + 26^4 + 26^5 + 26^6 = 321,271,704, which is
> still a big number.

Oops. That's what I get for working 48 hour straight shifts. I thought
those numbers looked awfully big for such a limited chosen span.

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Re: [OT] RFC 822?

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:18:31 -0500
"Edward Guldemond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 12:00:17PM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> wrote:> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:45:09 -0500
> > "Edward Guldemond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 02:48:53AM -0600, Gerald V. Livingston II
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Many ISP's do not bounce mail sent to addresses that do not
> > > > exist because robot software can use that info to build a
> > > > database of valid addresses at that domain for spamming
> > > > purposes.
> > > 
> > > Doesn't this break RFC 822?  I would think that a mail server
> > 
> > Yes, it breaks 822. But it's slowly becoming necessary for smaller
> > operations.
> 
> Get an MTA that sets limits to the ammount of mail that it
> will process.  For example, have it only process 50 mails in an hour
> from each host and keep the rest in a queue.  Don't bounce the other
> addresses until later.  Surely, if you're keeping tabs on a server, an
> hour is more than adequate to block people out and clear out all of
> the crap in the queue.  This won't work on a large scale though,
> --
> Edward Guldemond

It should work for small operations except small operations usually have
fewer people to physically scan logs etc. I was just a user/file system
admin and happened to nitice that /var/log was hogging space suddenly.
That's the ONLY reason we spotted the bounced mails, sudden log file
size increase.  Setting up a queuing mail server only causes legitimate
mail to be delayed indefinitely. If a robot is intent on scanning for
valid addresses and chooses to search only for valid user names from 3
to 6 characters using the alphabet only, no numerals, underscores, or
full-stops then we are looking at (3^26)+(4^26)+(5^26)+(6^26) or
172,076,350,440,456,172,706 messages in the queue. They can send a very
short message in batches of 20 and send a WHOLE lot more than 50 per
hour. At a processing time of 50 messages per hour it would take
3441527008809123454 hours or 143396958700380144 days or 392599476250185
YEARS to process those messages. Yes, most systems would die from lack
of space before that happened, and most robots are intelligent enough to
send only a few hundred or thousand per day. But, finding it happening
in the logs, writing a filter to reject ALL mail from that host, then
manually clearing the queue could take several days if it isn't caught
quickly.

This is one area where I think the ISP should be a bit more like the
snail mail post office. You send the mail (regular letter). It should
arrive at it's destination, but if it doesn't then we are not
responsible and it is up to you and the intended recipient to determine
that actual final delivery was made. We aren't going to watch your
letter from the time it leaves your hands and then come back and tell
you that it was lost somewhere between Albuquerque and Kalamazoo. We
MIGHT return it to you, someday, if you provided a valid return address
and the error was a bad delivery address entered at the origin. That way
messages COULD be bounced, but the BOUNCE MESSAGES could be queued
rather than the incoming spool. If the server is busy with higher
priority tasks then the bounces just sit there. If some CPU cycles come
free then a few of the queued bounces can be sent.

G

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