Re: which package is good for making poster

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you seen banner?  Maybe not your best option though.


On Tue, 2 Nov 2021, lina wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have to prepare a poster,
>
> I wonder which package is good for this work, I can print it out in several
> papers and attach them together later.
>
> Thanks very much for your advice
>

Re: question from total newbie. a little help please

[Jude DaShiell]

I think the o.p. may have got debian linux confused with debian lynx that
makes more sense over here.  Many Linux distros have code words for each
major version of their distributions.  The current stable code word for
debian is bullseye.  I've been installing debian since sarge and remember
no lynx code word attached to any debian version.


On Sun, 17 Oct 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > JAMES BOSWELL wrote:
> > > > install debian lynx
> >
> > Dan Ritter
> > > Lynx is a text-mode web browser. Did you mean Debian bullseye,
> >
> > I rather guess that "Debian GNU/Lynx, The Unyversl operating system"
> > is meant. ;-)
> >
>
> Ah, you think it's a spieling error. Reasonable.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen

[Jude DaShiell]

Anyone tried ansifilter -i  bash.1 -o bash.2 yet?


On Sat, 2 Oct 2021, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 02 October 2021 11:13:09 Brian wrote:
>
> > On Fri 01 Oct 2021 at 17:32:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Friday 01 October 2021 17:17:53 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > We still don't know why you want this.  I guess we'll never know.
> > >
> > > We apparently don't speak the same dialect of english Greg. I wanted
> > > a dead tree (aka paper) copy of a manpage, with ALL the markup
> > > totally stripped. As for Lee's suggestion, I didn't try it since
> > > Cindy's example worked perfectly and by the time I read Lee's msg, I
> > > had what I needed on the output tray of my huge printer. No
> > > reflection on Lee was intended. Still isn't.
> >
> > Nitpicking time :).
> True.  TBT, the use of bold was not something these old eyes considered.
> > You specified "...so what we save is exactly what
> > we see." Neither Cindy Sue Cause's mor Lee's give *exactly* what is
> > seen onscreen. If bolded headings are unwanted, either method gives a
> > nice text file to print.
>
> Yes, I should have more precisely stated "text". :(
>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
>

Re: What do we have that will save a manpage as we see it on-screen

[Jude DaShiell]

There's tee that can be used just pipe the man page through it and into a
text file.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2021, Lee wrote:

> On 10/1/21, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > With the man markup subtracted, so what we save is exactly what we see.
>
> Try the "--ascii" option - eg
>   man --ascii  man > /tmp/man.txt
>
> Regards,
> Lee
>
>

Re: USB memory stick quality [was: "Proper" filesystem for Debian installed on a flash drive]

[Jude DaShiell]

One more lesson applies to usb memory sticks.  All of the guts visit China
before going into the cases with those trademarks on them.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2021, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

> On 10/1/21, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> >
> > I take two lessons out of it:
> >
> > (1) quality of those things scatters widely. Do take Marco's
> > advise seriously and have always a Plan B. In my case, it's
> > Just A Backup (TM), so I make it so my main disk doesnt
> > fail until I find a replacement stick ;-@
>
> Left that in because it has applied to all the hardware I've ever
> bought. Ages ago, I mused on here that every critical hardware aspect
> of computing needs *at least one* backup sitting in a drawer nearby.
> At the time, it was probably about something like those ethernet to
> USB adapters. It might have been about external dialup modems, too.
>
> > (2) I have the hunch that the name on the shell bears little
> > relation to the guts inside. The latter are whatever the vendor
> > putting its name on the outside can scavenge cheaply off the
> > market at some point in time. So trading brand names might
> > be possibly misleading ;-)
>
> Am only typing because I just experienced this with keyboards. Six or
> eight keyboards were stuffed under my nose in a vendor's email last
> night. All looked exactly the same, just had different seller logos on
> a nameplate sitting right above the arrow keys.
>
> Last night the prices were within a couple dollars of each other (plus
> the same outrageous shipping). In the past, the prices have sometimes
> been $20 apart for what is obviously the exact same item. :)
>
> Cindy :)
>

Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 - Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net)

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you got:
(setq gnutls-algorithm-priority "NORMAL:-VERS-TLS1.3")
in your .emacs file?  The internet broke for emacs a while ago and this
line fixed that problem.  It may also have done some other things as well.


On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Stella Ashburne wrote:
> > Based on ArchLinux's tutorial on using iwd to connect to a wireless network 
> > (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd), I managed to connect to my wireless 
> > routeror so I thought :(
> >
> > Below are the relevant outputs:
> >
> >  Station: wlan0 
> >*
> > 
> >   Settable  PropertyValue
> > 
> > Scanningno
> > State   connected
> > Connected network   Stella-Network
> > ConnectedBss2b:ef:6a:20:ac:18
>
> > username@hostname:~$ sudo apt update
> >
> > Result: sudo apt update is unable to update the repositories specified in 
> > /etc/apt/sources.list. I tried to use Firefox to browse the internet to no 
> > avail.
>
> You appear to have established a wifi connection, but not
> assigned an IP address.
>
> Try
>
> sudo dhclient wlan0
>
> and see if that gives you an IP and a default route, at which
> point  apt update should work.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: What happened to cal?

[Jude DaShiell]

Wasn't that in bsd-utils?  If not there, maybe plan9.


On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Charlie wrote:

>
>   On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:24:59 -0400 Paul Informed me about What
>   happened to cal?
>
> > Folks:
> >
> > I'm wondering if I'm mis-remembering here. As I recall, there used to
> > be a command called "cal" which would simply print this month's
> > calendar to the screen. It would do other calendars, depending on
> > command line parameters. Now that I've moved to bullseye, I don't see
> > the command nor a package containing it. There is a command "gcal"
> > which appears to do the same thing.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Was there a separate package called "cal"
> > which was automatically installed in earlier versions of Debian? Or
> > was there an automatic alias to the gcal program?
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
> On Bullseye, still works here.
>
>
>

Re: `wget' web site

[Jude DaShiell]

I wonder, could the file pursuit pro app help here if installed on that
tablet?

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021, Karthik wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 5:18 AM Rodolfo Medina  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I manage to download an entire website, say www.mysite.com, with simply
> >
> >  $ wget -r -l 0 www.mysite.com
> >
> > After that, I can surf that web site offline with all its internal links.
> > Perfect.
> >
> > Now the problem comes when I want to copy that stuff into my Android tablet 
> > and
> > read it offline too.  Then the links do not work any more.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
>
> That's because in Android 7+, when you open a file in any app through
> the file manager
> that opened app doesn't have access to the "file path" of that file.
> it just gets the file descriptor of that file and accesses it as a stream.
>
> when you open a downloaded website (bunch of html,js,css files in hierarchy).
> you open a single html file(index.html) and click on hyperlinks(file
> paths resolved relatively against index.html) to browse the website
> from there on.
> Since the browser in your desktop gnu/linux system has direct access
> to file paths, it can resolve them and you can browse them easily.
> But when open that same index.html file in android the file manager
> sends an intent(request containing URI,file mime-type,perms)
> requesting android system to resolve that file(.html file)
> against installed apps, android system checks whether the any
> installed app can open this type(mime-type) of file or not,
> if there are multiple apps(mostly browsers) installed that can open
> html files it asks user to choose one app(that just once and always
> dialog),
> since the browser can open html files it sends that intent to the
> browser(or to the app you selected if there are multiple ones).
> the browser checks the intent and resolves the URI in the intent(by
> asking android system), the request gets passed back to the file
> manager's Content provider,
> that is why you see "content:://" type url in browser and not
> "file://" as in desktop browser,then
> the file manager content provider sends back a file descriptor of that
> requested file(index.html) back to browser,
> which then gets open as plain  html file because the css files,assets
> cant be resolved from that URI
>
> Solution is to use some app that can open offline websites  directly
> from local storage
> using storage permission and not through file manager apps unless you
> have an android 6 or below device.
>
> https://developer.android.com/about/versions/nougat/android-7.0-changes#sharing-files
>
>

Re: ifupdown lost at upgrade time to bullseye

[Jude DaShiell]

Is iwctl part of default bullseye installations?  Maybe networkd.service
can be used with systemd this I haven't tried since I'm using ethernet but
do have wi-fi capability.  I could try these avenues and see if they're
open.


On Mon, 30 Aug 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Harald Dunkel wrote:
> > how comes ifupdown is dropped at upgrade time to bullseye, leaving the 
> > (headless) system without network connection while the upgrade is not 
> > completed yet, and breaking network on the next reboot?
>
> This has not yet happened to me in nine or ten upgrades to
> bullseye; all but two of them depended on
> /etc/network/interfaces and nothing weird happened regarding
> ifupdown.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: Network down incorrect........

[Jude DaShiell]

As part of your reinstall process did you delete all partitions then run
wipefs -af on the disk?  Failure to do so may have left old artifacts of
the previous system on the drive which may be messing up your current
installation.


On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, Charlie wrote:

>
>   From my keyboard:
>
>   Hello all,
>
>   Since Bullseye went stable, updated on my 12 month old HP
>   laptop. When attempting to bring up the wireless interface with
>   ifup.
>
> The message on the screen tells me the "network is down", which is
> incorrect. Because on another Bullseye machine it works perfectly. as
> it did on this one before it went stable.
>
> It gives the message:
>
> RTNETLINK answers: Operation not possible due to RF-kill
>
> Then tries to connect for about 12 or so tries.
>
> I have not installed rfkill, and can't find it to uninstall it.
>
> On the web there is a reference to this "RTNETLINK answers: Operation
> not possible due to RF-kill" on Archlinux where it was solved by
> bringing the BIOS back to default. I tried that, but temporarily locked
> myself out of the system. Then asking me to install an operating system
> on the hard drive. I brought that back buy returning the BIOS to when
> it booted the system.
>
> I can use the Ethernet port and cable to connect to the internet with
> that machine, however, did connect wirelessly when Bullseye was testing.
>
> Any pointers would be appreciated.
>
> TIA,
> Charlie
>
>   East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
>http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
>
>

Re: bbc script

[Jude DaShiell]

I had a read of your wiki  article and think I almost understand it.  To
the left of the parens there's a single letter in that calculator example.
That I understand.  If you have a) add as part of the case statement is
add in that partial case statement so when that selection is made add
appears on the screen?  If so, I can improve what I've done.


On Thu, 19 Aug 2021, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 08:25:10AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 04:59:19 AM Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > > #!/usr/bin/env bash
> > > # file: bbc.sh
> > > PS3="Enter a number to Choose station: "
> > > select station in bbc1 bbc-1-extra bbc-2 bbc-3 bbc-4 \
> > >  b  bc-4-long-wave-and-shipping 
> > > bbc-4-extra bbc-5 \
> > > bbc-6-music bbc-world-service quit
> > > do
> > > case $REPLY in
> > > $REPLY==1)
> > >mpv
> >
> > I am not a bash expert (not even close), but I don't see where your 
> > selection
> > (in PS3) gets transferred to REPLY -- shouldn't that happen somewhere
> > explicitly?
>
> The "select" builtin command does it.  Read "help select" for the brief
> version of the documentation.  (The man page's section isn't much larger,
> though.)
>
> Also relevant: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/115
>
>

Re: bbc script

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks to all who have replied.  It turns out too much code was on case
statement and once I cleared that the script now works as expected.
Here's the working version:

#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: bbc.sh
PS3="Enter a number to Choose station: "
select station in bbc1 bbc-1-extra bbc-2 bbc-3 bbc-4 \
   b  bc-4-long-wave-and-shipping 
bbc-4-extra bbc-5 \
bbc-6-music bbc-world-service quit
do
case $REPLY in
1)
 mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_one.pls
 ;;

 2)
mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_1xtra.pls
;;

  3)
 mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_two.pls
 ;;

   4)
  mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_three.pls
  ;;

5)
   mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_fourfm.pls
   ;;

 6)
mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_fourlw.pls
;;

  7)
 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_radio_four_extra
 ;;


   8)

  mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_radio_five_live_online_nonuk

  ;;


  9)

 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_6music

 ;;


 10)

 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_world_service

 ;;


 11)

 exit 0

 ;;




 esac

 done


On Thu, 19 Aug 2021, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > select station in bbc1 bbc-1-extra bbc-2 bbc-3 bbc-4 \
> >b  bc-4-long-wave-and-shipping
> > bbc-4-extra bbc-5 \
> > bbc-6-music bbc-world-service quit
> > do
> > case $REPLY in
> >$REPLY==1)
>
> man bash says about "case" that before ")" are patterns which are tested
> whether they match.
> So the text snippet "$REPLY==" before "1)" looks wrong.
>
> This litle experiment works for me:
>
>   select station in AAA BB CC quit
>   do
> echo $REPLY
> case $REPLY in
>1) echo aaa
>   ;;
>2) echo bb
>   ;;
>3) ec

bbc script

[Jude DaShiell]

I tested the following script by having the $REPLY variable report its
value after the select statement and the value I entered was correct.
The problem I'm having is with the case statement I used.  For some reason
the case statement isn't playing any of the stations and I have mpv on my
machine.
Have we got any case statement experts who wouldn't mind examining this
script and sending me a few pointers?
I have many other scripts with radio stations in them and if I can get
this technique working I'll be able to roll those into a single script
correctly:
Cut here.
#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: bbc.sh
PS3="Enter a number to Choose station: "
select station in bbc1 bbc-1-extra bbc-2 bbc-3 bbc-4 \
   b  bc-4-long-wave-and-shipping 
bbc-4-extra bbc-5 \
bbc-6-music bbc-world-service quit
do
case $REPLY in
$REPLY==1)
 mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_one.pls
 ;;

 $REPLY==2)
mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_1xtra.pls
;;

  $REPLY==3)
 mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_two.pls
 ;;

   $REPLY==4)
  mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_three.pls
  ;;

$REPLY==5)
   mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_fourfm.pls
   ;;

 $REPLY==6)
mpv 
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/select/mediaset/http-icy-mp3-a/format/pls/proto/http/vpid/bbc_radio_fourlw.pls
;;

  $REPLY==7)
 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_radio_four_extra
 ;;


   $REPLY==8)

  mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_radio_five_live_online_nonuk

  ;;


  $REPLY==9)

 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_6music

 ;;


 $REPLY==10)

 mpv 
http://stream.live.vc.bbcmedia.co.uk/bbc_world_service

 ;;


 $REPLY==11)

 exit 0

 ;;




 esac

 done

Re: Help! Thunderbird lost my passwords

[Jude DaShiell]

All passwords need to be written and secured.  First by being part of a
book or being in a specific place in a hard copy file.  Second, encrypted
before written down.  For anyone to be able to use any of those passwords
even if found they'd have to know the encryption system you used.

Re: MDs & Dentists

[Jude DaShiell]

Doctors and Dentists run windows as the base for all of their practice
software.  I don't know of any linux software that could replace that
software either.  Could it be some software house would be able to get
linux versions available and make some money?

Re: What command to use to output to a text file?

[Jude DaShiell]

ls could be used with the following suffix:
ls  | tee -f listing.txt


On Wed, 23 Jun 2021, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Mi, 23 iun 21, 13:36:27, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> >
> > I'm hoping that you folk can help me out of my predicament?
> >
> > I have transferred some files in their directories to an external drive
> > mounted in a caddy.
> >
> > How can I get a text file saved from an output of everything on the
> > drive, please? What commands do I need to use and what would be the
> > syntax of it/them please?
>
> It's unclear what information you expect to have in the text file,
> please elaborate on that (preferably with examples).
>
> For a simple listing of files with full path something like below should
> do what you want:
>
> cd /path/to/external_drive
> find > files_on_external_drive.txt
>
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrei
>

Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used

[Jude DaShiell]

Very informative, I didn't know what either of those drivers were until
now thanks.


On Mon, 31 May 2021, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

> On 5/30/2021 8:22 PM, Long Wind wrote:
> > i have new usb 3 disk
> > i want to find out if usb 3 is used when it's connected to stretch
> Use something like:
>
> sudo dmesg | grep hci
>
> If output shows ehci, then you are using usb 2, and if output shows xhci, then
> you can use usb 3.
>
> To make stretch use the usb 3 driver, make sure the USB 3 controller is
> enabled in the UEFI setup for your computer and use a usb 3 enabled port. it
> is usually a blue port for a usb 3 port and a black port for a usb 2 port.
>
>

Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used

[Jude DaShiell]

easier, diff -aq lsblk.old lsblk.new
Even without that, wc -l lsblk.old && wc -l lsblk.new
With two different numbers, the new drive is recognized.


On Mon, 31 May 2021, Stella Ashburne wrote:

> Hi
>
> > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 at 8:36 AM
> > From: "Jude DaShiell" 
> > To: "Long Wind" , "Debian-user Mailing List" 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used
> >
> > First disconnect the disk; next run lsblk >lsblk.old, next connect the
> > disk, next run lsblk >lsblk.new.  Finally do a diff on lsblk.old lsblk.new
> > and see if something shows up in lsblk.new that isn't in lsblk.old.
> >
> Can I do a diff using the following command in a terminal?
>
> diff -c lsblk.old lsblk.new
>
>

Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used

[Jude DaShiell]

Have an iso for which you know its size.
Use dd to copy that iso onto a usb 2.0 drive and time the copy.
Copy that same iso onto the usb 3.0 drive and time it.
If the usb 3.0 copy takes less time in the neighborhood of the expected
speed difference of usb 3.0 to usb 2.0 then you got fortunate.
If the copy takes the same amount of time or nearly the same amount of
time then usb 3.0 is not being used.
This is best done using a sports watch or stop watch.


On Mon, 31 May 2021, Long Wind wrote:

>  Thanks, but lsblk just lists new usb diski want to find out if usb 3.0 is 
> usedusb 3.0 is faster than usb 2.0
>
>

Re: which command can show if usb 3.0 is used

[Jude DaShiell]

First disconnect the disk; next run lsblk >lsblk.old, next connect the
disk, next run lsblk >lsblk.new.  Finally do a diff on lsblk.old lsblk.new
and see if something shows up in lsblk.new that isn't in lsblk.old.

On Mon, 31 May 2021, Long Wind wrote:

> i have new usb 3 diski want to find out if usb 3 is used when it's connected 
> to stretch
>

Re: is the number of dot files a measure of the darkness of Linux?:-D

[Jude DaShiell]

If you were root and did ls -a /etc/.pwd.lock you'd probably find it.

On Sun, 16 May 2021, Patrice Duroux wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1. I was wondering about the presence of the /etc/.pwd.lock file on my
> system.
> For sure 'apt-file search /etc/.pwd.lock' is no help, but 'man -K
> .pwd.lock' do.
> I also searched the Debian user mailing list and found some relevant
> discussion on this file.
> Querying the Debian Code Search was also very interesting.
>
> Could there be a Debian web page to handle some sort of global search?
> I think this could be useful also for beginner not familiar with the
> diversity of Debian services, no?
> It will be for instance client to Debian Packages Search, Debian Manpages
> and Code Search, (also Debian Wiki?) that would provide at least links if
> topics are found in each of them.
> May be user would be able to select their targets.
>
> 2. After this I was curious about the overall content of all the packages
> on any dot files (including directories). For that I used the following to
> 2 commands:
> # the packages concerned
> apt-file --filter-origins Debian --regex search '/\.' | cut -d ':' -f 1 |
> uniq -c | sort -h
> # the top 10 of dot files
> apt-file --filter-origins Debian --regex search '/\.' | cut -d ':' -f 2 |
> grep -o '/\..*' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rh | head -10
>
> They are very diverse and include some .git* ones. Are they always useful
> to provide?
> Is this something related to the Debian Policy? tracked by Debian
> Maintainer and/or in the scope of some QA tools?
>
> My opinion (as a sysadmin) is that I am not a big fan of dot files and
> moreover when they are not intended to be reserved (better restricted?) to
> the userland.
>
> Cheers,
> Patrice
>

wikipedia surfraw elvi needs an update

[Jude DaShiell]

Too many wikipedia failures using surfraw that never happened before.
Where that elvi goes generates a couple pages of error message most of the
time on wikipedia searches.
If I use duckduckgo elvi, I can find a wikipedia page listed in
duckduckgo's search results which matches the search I could have done
with wikipedia.

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

[Jude DaShiell]

sure, teapot.


On Fri, 23 Apr 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Bob Bernstein wrote:
> > Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple.
> >
> > Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the
> > baggage associated with either an "office suite," or a "desktop
> > environment?"
> >
>
> Sure.
>
> treesheets
>
> pyspread
>
> sc
>
> -dsr-
>
>

Re: for the mutt users

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I have no use for anonymous email.


On Tue, 13 Apr 2021, Reco wrote:


Hi.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 06:52:57AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

The mixmaster package comes up as a suggested install for mutt and is not in 
debian repositories so far as I know.


It was removed from the main back in 2017, see #880101.


What is its function and where is source code for it?


Quoting mutt documentation,

Mixmaster permits you to send your messages anonymously using a chain of
remailers.


As for the source of mixmaster - see [2], sorry for the SourceForge link.
Direct download should be this - [3].

Reco

[1] http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#sending-mixmaster
[2] http://mixmaster.sourceforge.net/
[3] 
https://sourceforge.net/settings/mirror_choices?projectname=mixmaster&filename=Mixmaster/3.0/mixmaster-3.0.tar.gz&selected=phoenixnap

for the mutt users

[Jude DaShiell]

The mixmaster package comes up as a suggested install for mutt and is not 
in debian repositories so far as I know.

What is its function and where is source code for it?

request for package

[Jude DaShiell]

could dosemu2 be built and made available in the debian repositories?
My reason for asking is while debian has dosbox dosbox uses only sdl for 
interface and sdl exposes no accessibility information at all.  The 
dosemu2 package can be used in sdl or in -dumb mode and -dumb mode works 
well with console screen readers and may also work well with orca.  This 
package has ongoing support while dosemu 1.x was deprecated a while back.

Bug: missing package

[Jude DaShiell]

Why is frobtads missing from debian repositories? The frobtads package 
makes it possible for those living outside of g.u.i. land to play tads 
games on the console.

Re: Looking for ~Dartmouth BASIC

[Jude DaShiell]

yabasic has the case statement.

Re: Any hams here? Is there a program that lets me use a mouse as a CW paddle?

[Jude DaShiell]

Probably the closest local package will be cw which has the unixcw library 
in it.  The readme file mentions the possibility of writing such a program 
to take iambic input from a mouse.  That's one program that isn't in the 
package but a ham with knowledge of C could make it.




On Thu, 11 Feb 2021, Robbi Nespu wrote:

Also can check with folks on irc OFTC server on channel #debian-hams (you 
need to have registered nick to access this channel)

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

[Jude DaShiell]

Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems.  How does fvwm
work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm
going the way of xWindows?

On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:33:39
> From: Greg Wooledge 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland
> Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:33:57 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] will be around; I guess a fair while
> > > though.
> >
> > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can
> > be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland.  So Xorg is only useful to the extent
> > that it supports hardware that Wayland doesn't.
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that you *can't*
> use an X window manager with Wayland.  You're stuck using one of the
> window managers or desktop environments that has been ported to Wayland.
>
> If that's not true, then that changes a *lot*.
>
>

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Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 08:32:58
> From: Greg Wooledge 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment
> Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:33:17 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:36:56PM +0200, echo test wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that
> > systemd is configured to run in graphical environment
> >
> >  $> systemctl set-default graphical.target
> >
> > If this is already setup, and you can launch your DE with startx, check also
> > that mate is the default DE with update-alternatives(8) or you can add the
> > startx command in /etc/profile.
>
> Do not put startx in /etc/profile.
>
> There are many different ways to run X.  One of them is to login on a
> console, and run the startx command, either manually, or from your
> *personal* (NOT system-wide) ~/.profile.  Typically you would surround
> this call with some code that verifies you really are on a Linux console
> (e.g. check whether $(tty) matches /dev/tty*) so that it doesn't fire
> when you ssh in.
>
> Another is to install a Display Manager, such as lightdm, sddm, gdm3,
> xdm, etc.  There are roughly a dozen of 'em.  This is what the Desktop
> Environment metapackages do.
>
> Another is to set up "autologin", in such a way that an X session running
> as some specific user is launched as soon as you boot.  This is the
> common choice for "kiosk" machines.
>
> Once you've chosen how you want to proceed, you can investigate the
> details of that particular approach.  With a DM, there really isn't much
> you need to know, beyond "what do I click to control the type of session".
> With startx, you might choose to write a custom ~/.xsession script to
> control your session startup.  I've never done autologin, so I can't say
> a lot about it, but I do know that the details of setting it up will
> depend on which init system you use.
>
Would sysctl set-default text.target display the dm on startup?
>

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Re: where is the download page?

[Jude DaShiell]

Not only that, using color to communicate anything is a violation of
accessibility standards.  Section 508 of the Americans With Disabilities
states that specifically.  That is one of 16 technical points along with
the Preamble web designers already ought have known for the last few
years.  On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:25:26
> From: Greg Wooledge 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is the download page?
> Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 19:25:45 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 02:56:45PM -0400, Lars Blizard wrote:
> > where is the download page?
>
> https://www.debian.org/
>
> has a link that says "Getting Debian", and it also has a green download
> icon thingy embedded in the huge banner.
>
> (I've told people before that putting important things in web banners is
> a bad idea, because decades of the web have trained us not to look at
> web banners.)
>
>

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Re: info command status

[Jude DaShiell]

Apparently info was depricated in favor of pinfo.  I just remembered
about pinfo after the search.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:40:42
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: info command status
> Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:40:57 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Has the command line info utility used to read info files from the command
> line been depricated and removed from debian?
>
>
> --
>
>

-- 

info command status

[Jude DaShiell]

Has the command line info utility used to read info files from the command
line been depricated and removed from debian?


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Re: Does Debian have a "nag" tool?

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, Peter Ehlert wrote:

> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:02:42
> From: Peter Ehlert 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Does Debian have a "nag" tool?
> Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 14:18:08 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> try Thunderbird Calendar (Lightning):
> there are probably better tools, but I have been using it for ages.
> For reminders you can use various categories to show graphically, popups if
> you like, and it is searchable for Historical uses.
> I also have oldtimers disease, this helps.
>
> On 8/15/20 4:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > Just missed girlfriend's birthday by 6 weeks :{
> > [just sent a 'mea culpa' email.]
> > Is there a better tool than "cron"?
> >
> > Just looked at its manpage.
> > I'm looking for something slightly different.
> >
> > Independent of when I turn on or first do something after midnight on a
> > specific date I want a reminder to be displayed unless I have taken a
> > specific action.
> >
> > As:
> >  1. I've known her for > 30 years.
> >  2. I'm a _senior_ citizen.
> >  3. She is a decade younger.
> > I am about to receive just retribution.
> >   [She'll claim I'm forgiven due to senility.]
> >
> > Wish to prevent such a response next year ;/
> >
> > TIA
> >
Debian has a calendar package but it's a cli package ported from BSD and
you need to populate ~/.calendar with personal dates and events for it to
work for you.

> > > >
>
>
>

--

nixos

[Jude DaShiell]

I got this installed since debian has no foldingathome package.
It may work but is very slow when nix-env -qa is run even to present the
first package.
If I were working I wouldn't have any time for this package so it will be
interesting to see if it works at all.  I managed to get enough drivers
installed on this installation so clinfo identified a platform as clover
so it will be interesting to see if the foldingathome.tar.gz package
installs how well it works after installation.  This older system has
larger sata drives not the 120GB drives my newer system has so there's
enough space to swing a cat on the older system.



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Re: Very old hardware...

[Jude DaShiell]

Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well.  I don't
recommend gnome.
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020, Davide Lombardo wrote:

> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:17:33
> From: Davide Lombardo 
> To: Debian-user List Debian 
> Subject: Very old hardware...
>
> Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs:
> CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz;
> DRAM: 64 MB SDDR
> GPU: RIVA TNT-2
> HARDISK: 10 GB
> FLOPPY DISK DRIVE
> MODEM 56K
> In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today...
> Do you think I can install something different than the already installed
> WIN98 system ?

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Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

[Jude DaShiell]

Do any utilities exist to help users intelligently edit ~/.xsession
files like fleacollar.sh for setting up mutt?

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 08:39:04
> From: Greg Wooledge 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment
> Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 12:39:23 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:44:46PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > If I run a gui, I prefer to be logged in before that gui starts up.
> > Probably systemctl disable lightdm as root then editing startx such that
> > the last line runs mate gets something like this done.
>
> That's rather heavy-handed.
>
> startx runs the user's ~/.xsession or, if no such file exists, the
> user's ~/.xinitrc or, if no such file exists, the system-wide
> /etc/X11/Xsession script.
>
> The Debian /etc/X11/Xsession script runs the desktop environment
> or window manager that was selected via the Debian "alternatives"
> system, by checking for /usr/bin/x-session-manager or
> /usr/bin/x-window-manager.  Both of which are configured via
> update-alternatives.
>
> A typical user running "startx" will either rely on the alternatives
> system to decide what programs to run for the X session, or will write
> a ~/.xsession file to take full control.
>
> Editing startx itself is not a common choice, and I wouldn't recommend
> it -- if for no other reason than simply because your edits will be
> lost when the package is updated.
>
>

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Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

[Jude DaShiell]

If I run a gui, I prefer to be logged in before that gui starts up.
Probably systemctl disable lightdm as root then editing startx such that
the last line runs mate gets something like this done.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020, Brian wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:53:59
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment
> Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 19:54:15 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sun 28 Jun 2020 at 11:02:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> > On 06/28/2020 10:15 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sun 28 Jun 2020 at 08:21:29 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > > The default install of the MATE desktop installs too much I don't want.
> > > > Unfortunately the Debian installer does not allow coerces the
> > > > installation of "recommended" packages.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore I did an install without *ANY* desktop environment.
> > > > [Used DVD1 of Debian 8.6, latest for which I had a physical DVD]
> > > >
> > > > I then did
> > > > apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment gparted
> > > >
> > > > On reboot the desktop did not appear.
> > > >
> > > > What is the forgotten command to automatically launch the desktop at 
> > > > boot?
> > >
> > > You appear to want to install MATE manually without Recommends, rather
> > > than within the d-i and with Recommends.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > In that case, you should
> > > install task-mate-desktop, not just mate-desktop-environment:
> > >
> > >  Package: task-mate-desktop
> > >  Depends: tasksel (= 3.53), task-desktop, mate-desktop-environment, 
> > > lightdm
> > >  Recommends: gimp, synaptic, libreoffice, libreoffice-help-en-us, 
> > > mythes-en-us, hunspell-en-us, hyphen-en-us, network-manager-gnome, orca, 
> > > libreoffice-gtk3
> > >  Description: MATE
> > >This task package is used to install the Debian desktop, featuring
> > >the MATE desktop environment, and with other packages that Debian 
> > > users
> > >expect to have available on the desktop.
> > >
> >
> > Just tried that. Now the boot process does NOT complete.
> > It may have collided with other things I have tried.
> > I'll redo all from scratch to to eliminate that possibility.
> > This time I'll create a log file.
> > I'm not sure If I'll get back to it until tomorrow.
> > Thanks.
>
> All good stuff. All very interesting. All very resolvable when a user
> has a clue what he is doing. We have gone from unable to boot the MATE
> desktop to not being able to boot at all! Carry on installing. :)
>
> Debian installs Recommends: by default. Your issue demonstrates exactly
> why it was made so.
>
>

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Re: technical terms overhaul

[Jude DaShiell]

If I were about to do any technical terms overhaul, I'd keep two
considerations front of mind.
1) are the proposed replacements at least equally descriptive or better,
and
2) Do the proposed replacements use the same letter counts or smaller
letter counts than the original terms?
If the proposed replacements pass both tests, I'd document them in
definitions dictionaries and in terms used lists in technical memorandums
that were to be written so those who had used the older terminology
wouldn't get lost in the memorandums and other documents.
That's just my perspective on this whole thread, your mileage will vary.


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Re: CLI interface to packages.debian.org

[Jude DaShiell]

No, what I did with surfraw got done by reading the man pages.  The
other tool, I've never heard of before either.

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, Ihor Antonov wrote:

> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:07:59
> From: Ihor Antonov 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: CLI interface to packages.debian.org
>
> On Saturday, 20 June 2020 08:05:04 PDT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Another possibility may be one of the surfraw packages once configured
> > correctly.  Lots of other search possibilities in surfraw too.  Once
> > installed and configured read up on the -elvi in surfraw to find what
> > search possibilities you have.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> Thanks for suggestions. I haven't heard anything about both of the mentioned
> tools:
> - ramdison
> - surfraw
>
> Can you recommend any tutorials/wiki pages/blogs to get up to speed quickly?
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Re: CLI interface to packages.debian.org

[Jude DaShiell]

Another possibility may be one of the surfraw packages once configured
correctly.  Lots of other search possibilities in surfraw too.  Once
installed and configured read up on the -elvi in surfraw to find what
search possibilities you have.



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Re: How long will this take?

[Jude DaShiell]

To search disk drives.
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020, Nicolas George wrote:

> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:27:46
> From: Nicolas George 
> Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: l0f...@tuta.io, Debian User 
> Subject: Re: How long will this take?
>
> Jude DaShiell (12020-06-09):
> > High security operations do this routinely.  They properly don't trust
> > parts are as labeled from manufacturers especially manufacturers that
> > send any of their stuff or get any of their stuff from China.
>
> There is no trust to have. The previous contents would be overwritten on
> the first actual write of a file.
>
> And if the filesystem reads a sector that has never been written, that's
> a serious bug in the operating system.
>
> > I'm thinking of the binary search method and am wondering if disk
> > operations of all sorts could be speeded up using it rather than
> > sequential searches.  Or is binary already used now?
>
> To search what?
>
> Regards,
>
>

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Re: How long will this take?

[Jude DaShiell]

High security operations do this routinely.  They properly don't trust
parts are as labeled from manufacturers especially manufacturers that
send any of their stuff or get any of their stuff from China.
I'm thinking of the binary search method and am wondering if disk
operations of all sorts could be speeded up using it rather than
sequential searches.  Or is binary already used now?

On Tue, 9 Jun 2020, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:08:34
> From: l0f...@tuta.io
> To: Debian User 
> Subject: Re: How long will this take?
> Resent-Date: Tue,  9 Jun 2020 18:08:47 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hi,
>
> 8 juin 2020 ? 22:22 de treni...@pm.me:
>
> > I bought a new 4 terrabyte hard drive that is connected with a USB cable 
> > using USB2.  It took about 32 hours to read every sector on the drive to 
> > look for bad sectors.  I started blanking the sectors using /dev/zero last 
> > Friday night.
> >
> Out of curiosity, what is the purpose to wipe a brand new HDD?
> Wouldn't formatting (or GPT overwrite) be sufficient?
>
> 9 juin 2020 ? 08:59 de dpchr...@holgerdanske.com:
>
> > Also as others have stated, writing zeros to an SSD may wear it out 
> > prematurely (depends upon internals of SSD).  The best approach is to do a 
> > "secure erase".
> >
> It seems to be a hard drive here ;)
> > Rather than wiping storage devices with GNU/Linux userland tools, your best 
> > bet is to use the manufacturer's diagnostic utility.  In the ideal case, 
> > the utility sends a command to the drive controller and everything gets 
> > done internally at maximum speed.  I prefer the bootable "Live" tools, if 
> > available.  Each manufacturer has their own toolkit.  Get the one for your 
> > drive brand.  For example, SeaTools Bootable:
> >
> > https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/
> >
> Even more true for an SSD (and yet, I'm not sure we can say "secure" for sure 
> as those utilities are generally proprietary so we cannot verify what they do 
> exactly).
>
> Best regards,
> l0f4r0
>
>

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re: How long will this take?

[Jude DaShiell]

Does any optimal formula exist based on hard drive size which minimizes
time needed for checking and blanking hard drives in connection with the
block size value?



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Re: How long will this take?

[Jude DaShiell]

People are suing Western Digital for sneaking those SMR disks into their
supply chain.  They're supposed to be red in color if what I read in the
news is correct.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:33:29
> From: Dan Ritter 
> To: Matthew Campbell 
> Cc: Debian User Support 
> Subject: Re: How long will this take?
> Resent-Date: Mon,  8 Jun 2020 20:33:43 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Matthew Campbell wrote:
> > I bought a new 4 terrabyte hard drive that is connected with a USB cable 
> > using USB2. It took about 32 hours to read every sector on the drive to 
> > look for bad sectors. I started blanking the sectors using /dev/zero last 
> > Friday night. It still isn't done. Is there a way I can find out how much 
> > data a particular process has written to the disk? I'm using Debian 10.4.
> >
> > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ibs=4096 count=976754646
>
> USB2 disks are good for about 25MB/s.
>
> 4 seconds gets you 100MB.
>
> 40 seconds gets you 1000MB.
>
> 4000 * 40 seconds is 16 seconds, so that's not quite two
> days.
>
> Is something wrong? Based on current news reports, I would say
> you accidentally purchased an SMR disk. (By accidentally, I mean
> that the box didn't say, the ad didn't say, and the manufacturer
> might even have lied to you for a while.)
>
> https://www.ixsystems.com/community/resources/list-of-known-smr-drives.141/
>
> Is it one of those?
>
> If so, return it. Tell the store that it's an unlabelled SMR
> drive. They'll take it back.
>
> -dsr-
>
>

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Re: Zoom- best practice?

[Jude DaShiell]

There's also barnard for the linux command line users sometimes needs
compiling using go.

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020, Admin4 wrote:

> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:00:19
> From: Admin4 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Zoom- best practice?
> Resent-Date: Sun,  7 Jun 2020 18:00:35 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> btw. if audio + chat WOULD be sufficient (it can handle a lot of
> participants)
>
> try mumble! :)
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mumble/
>
> the Android App is called "plumble"
>
> https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.morlunk.mumbleclient/
>
>   * Client + Server is 100% Open Source
>   * mumble server is easy to setup
>   * mumble client is also pretty easy to setup
>   o headphones / headset recommended
>   * encrypted communication (128 bit OCB-AES128)
>
> apt update
>
> # server
>
> apt install murmur;
>
> # client
>
> apt install mumble;
>
> give it a call:
>
> https://audio-konferenz-server.de/
>
> (sever is running CentOS X-D but Client is Debian 10 :) )
>
> just 4 info
>
> On 6/7/20 3:42 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> >
> > On 6/6/20 10:00 PM, Keith bainbridge wrote:
> >> On 6/6/20 3:32 am, john doe wrote:
> >>> On 6/5/2020 6:28 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
>  Family is using Zoom, International.
>  They will use Zoom, and I need to participate.
> 
>  I use Debian Mate Stable, and Firefox ESR
> 
>  I am concerned about security, duh!
>  Looking for ideas.
> 
>  my current thoughts, in order of preference:
> 
>  1. Use a separate Debian alongside my daily driver, and use Only
>  for the
>  Zoom meetings
> 
> >>>
> >>> I would install a Debian VM for Zoom and alike software.
> >>>
> >>> --?
> >>> John Doe
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I did too - until somebody suggested firejail.
> >
> > I am not a Chromium user... and I don't like to fight the VMs
> >
> > Firefox does have a number of addon privacy tools...
> > this one looks interesting: https://add0n.com/privacy-settings.html
> >>
> >> I always got prompts to install add-ons in chromium.
> >>
> >
>

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Re: Issue with Orca Screen Reader

[Jude DaShiell]

You don't install debian that way.

To install debian you boot the disk and at the beep hit s then hit
enter.  Orca is not used to install debian, that's done using espeakup.
If it works, you'll be asked which language to use.  A numbered list of
languages will be spoken and you choose your number type it in at the
prompt and hit enter.
I have been totally blind all of my life and just finished a debian
install yesterday.
Pretty far into the installation you'll get the opportunity to install
desktops like cinnamon lxde and mate.  Mate apparently is the most
accessible of these.
I had no help with the debian installation either and that's because
enough instructions got spoken I was able to do it by myself.  So, now
that you know how to start an install process let's see how you do.

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020, Analis Dannen wrote:

> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 16:14:44
> From: Analis Dannen 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Issue with Orca Screen Reader
> Resent-Date: Sat,  6 Jun 2020 20:14:59 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Greetings
> This is Analis. I am tryint to install Debian 10.4.0 on my computer
> and cannot. I am completely blind and rely on Orca to read me the
> screens. It is not reading me the installation instructions when I try
> to install the operating system. In fact, it does not say anything at
> all, not even key presses. Here is what I have tried.
> Enabling the root account in the terminal
> Logging out of the live user session then logging back in after the
> root account is enabled
> Logging into the root account, only to find that orca does not seem to be 
> there.
> What can I do to get orca to do what it is supposed to do. I really
> want to install Debian. Please respond to this Email as soon as
> possible. Thank you!
>
>

-- 

foldingathome-beta

[Jude DaShiell]

On archlinux I'm running foldingathome-beta and it doesn't disable my
system.  It does use spare cpu cycles not used by the system for its own
maintenance and not used by me.  The system at times does run hard but
that's to be expected.
I don't know if that package is available on debian yet.  I tried boinc
having used setiathome software before it and never did manage to get that
set up and working.



--

Re: javascript

[Jude DaShiell]

That's ancient okay.  cclive may be able to get that for you.  It's a
replacement for adobe flash player.  Only thing is, you'll have the file
on your drive when cclive is done if cclive is successful.  In 2 more
years, adobe will no longer support adobe flash player it will have its
end of life.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, Kenneth Parker wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:08:44
> From: Kenneth Parker 
> To: Debian Users 
> Subject: Re: javascript
> Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:09:09 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:50 PM Russell L. Harris 
> wrote:
>
> > When attempting to listen to a recorded pipe organ broadcast posted on
> > a web site of Minnesota Public Radio (MPR), I am taken to a page which
> > has the message,"To view this content, Javascript must be enabled and
> > Adobe Flash Player must be installed."
> >
>
> Sounds like an "ancient" Website.
>
> The page with the links to the broadcast is titled "A
> > Tribute to Notre Dame Cathedral":
> > https://pipedreams.publicradio.org/listings/2020/2015/
>
>
> As a lover of Classical Music, I would like to view that.
>
> What I've done before (and could "dust off"), is to Install an old version
> of Ubuntu (which I used in the Olden days) inside a Virtual Machine
> (Virtualbox in the past, but I've been experimenting, lately with
> KVM/Qemu), and enjoying the Website there.
>
> One caution:  Use that Old OS (and Browser)  *only*  for these, known Old
> Sites.  Don't browse the Open Internet there, unless you've taken a
> Snapshot, which you can Restore!
>
>
> The link is titled "Audio Complete Show 1 hr 58 Min":
> > https://pipedreams.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/
> > media_player/popup.php?name=pipedreams/2020/04/13_pipedreams_128
> >
>
> Thanks again.
>
> I am running Debian 10.  Synaptic does not find in the Debian archive
> > a Javascript package.  And I seem to remember that Javascript is not a
> > good thing.
> >
>
> It's sites like these that "inspire" those, using Windows to keep old and
> Insecure Technology, which then get infected by Malware.
>
>
> > So, is there an alternative?  I have contacted MPR, but MPR has not
> > yet offered a solution.
> >
>
> Like I said, something old, via a Virtual Machine.  Could even be an older
> Windows release.  (But be Careful!)
>
>
> > RLH
> >
>
> Kenneth Parker
>

-- 

Re: javascript

[Jude DaShiell]

You'll need to install some version of jre and maybe java-environment.
Maybe edbrowse could navigate you past that barrier but I have no idea
what'll be on the other side.  Edbrowse can talk some javascript but
only the parts useful for accessibility users.
Javascript is bad, the sooner python eats it and digests it so python
replaces javascript on the web probably the better for all of us screen
reader users.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, Russell L. Harris wrote:

> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:49:40
> From: Russell L. Harris 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: javascript
> Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:50:00 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> When attempting to listen to a recorded pipe organ broadcast posted on
> a web site of Minnesota Public Radio (MPR), I am taken to a page which
> has the message,"To view this content, Javascript must be enabled and
> Adobe Flash Player must be installed."
>
> The page with the links to the broadcast is titled "A
> Tribute to Notre Dame Cathedral":
> https://pipedreams.publicradio.org/listings/2020/2015/
>
> The link is titled "Audio Complete Show 1 hr 58 Min":
> https://pipedreams.publicradio.org/www_publicradio/tools/
> media_player/popup.php?name=pipedreams/2020/04/13_pipedreams_128
>
> I am running Debian 10.  Synaptic does not find in the Debian archive
> a Javascript package.  And I seem to remember that Javascript is not a
> good thing.
>
> So, is there an alternative?  I have contacted MPR, but MPR has not
> yet offered a solution.
>
> RLH
>
>
>

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Re: Desktop environments

[Jude DaShiell]

a desktop environment manages desktop resources.  No, you cannot use a
rodent with all desktop managers either.  Two I'm thinking of in this
category definitely ratpoison and probably stump-wm.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, davidson wrote:

> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 00:36:21
> From: davidson 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Desktop environments
> Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 04:36:40 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, mick crane wrote:
>
> > Well I was thinking is a valid question.
> > What's the deal with these desktop environments ?
>
> I wonder this too.
>
> > I thought is like a desktop with pictures so you know where
> > everything is and then you click and start a program that does
> > something
>
> They're visual metaphors, of uncertain faithfulness, founded on the
> assumption that the user would rather point at pictures like Koko the
> gorilla, instead of learn
>
>  1. what things really are there to manipulate,
>
> and
>
>  2. language(s) with which to manipulate them.
>
> So it seems to me.
>
> > and the desktop gets out of the way ?
>
> If the assumption fails to suit you, or if the metaphors are otherwise
> getting in the way, then you can use just a window manager.
>
> I like ratpoison:
>
> ratpoison - keyboard-only window manager
>  ratpoison is a simple window manager with no fancy graphics,
>  no window decorations, and no rodent dependence.
>  It is largely modelled after GNU Screen.
>  .
>  The screen can be split into non-overlapping frames. All
>  windows are kept maximized inside their frames to take
>  full advantage of your precious screen real estate.
>  .
>  All interaction with the window manager is done through
>  keystrokes. ratpoison has a prefix map to minimize
>  key clobbering.
> Homepage: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
>
>

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Re: Small Open Source Digital Classroom

[Jude DaShiell]

barnard for command line users and mumble for graphical users can
connect to the same channel and the interface will be video not just
text.

On Tue, 31 Mar 2020, Markos wrote:

> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:44:14
> From: Markos 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Small Open Source Digital Classroom
> Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:08:49 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hi Friends,
>
> My wife is a teacher and is trying to teach remote lessons using only WhatsApp
> video calls.
>
> To help her I am looking for a package in the Debian repository to organize
> virtual classes for small groups, 5 or 6 students maximum.
>
> Any suggestion of an open-source program easy-to-configure and easy-to-use for
> this?
>
> Preferably a Debian package?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Markos
>
>

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Re: Question regarding an ACPI BIOS Error (bug)

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 28 Mar 2020, Darac Marjal wrote:

> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 06:55:55
> From: Darac Marjal 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Question regarding an ACPI BIOS Error (bug)
>
>
> On 28/03/2020 09:35, rba...@protonmail.ch wrote:
> > Hi all, I've been redirected to this list while using reportbug. I
> > would gladly accept some help regarding the determination of the
> > Debian package responsible for those traces during boot:
>
> That would be the kernel itself. The number in square brackets at the
> start of the line is the time (in seconds) since the kernel started. At
> less than a second after startup, you're unlikely to have any user-space
> components loaded yet and, besides, the kernel is what is responsible
> for talking to ACPI.
>
>
> >
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Device)
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(3.0 _SCP Extensions)
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(Processor Aggregator Device)
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Dell-Video)
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-Lenovo-NV-HDMI-Audio)
> > [??? 0.410073] ACPI: Added _OSI(Linux-HPI-Hybrid-Graphics)
>
> These aren't errors; these ones are just informative.
>
>
> > [??? 0.457794] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> > [\_GPE._E4A], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20190816/dswload2-323)
> > [??? 0.457802] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name
> > lookup/catalog (20190816/psobject-220)
> > [??? 0.457805] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> > unavailable (0x0014)
> > [??? 0.457807] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object
> > [\_GPE._E47], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20190816/dswload2-323)
> > [??? 0.457811] ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name
> > lookup/catalog (20190816/psobject-220)
> > [??? 0.457813] ACPI: Skipping parse of AML opcode: OpcodeName
> > unavailable (0x0014)
>
> These are errors. However, as the message says, these are BIOS errors.
> ACPI machine language (AML) is basically a program inside your BIOS
> which the OS can use to list and control devices. Sometimes these AML
> programs have bugs in them; sometimes they are a little too focussed on
> what Windows likes (rather than what is proper). The generally accepted
> solution to these is: if there is a noticeable issue with your computer
> (some device doesn't work or behaves improperly), then consider a BIOS
> upgrade. Otherwise, if there is no apparent effect, then you can ignore
> these errors.
>
>
> > [??? 0.458226] ACPI: 10 ACPI AML tables successfully acquired and loaded
> > [??? 0.459880] ACPI: EC: EC started
> > [??? 0.459881] ACPI: EC: interrupt blocked
> > [??? 0.461706] ACPI: \: Used as first EC
> > [??? 0.461708] ACPI: \: GPE=0x27, EC_CMD/EC_SC=0x66, EC_DATA=0x62
> > [??? 0.461708] ACPI: EC: Boot ECDT EC used to handle transactions
> >
> > Using apt and apt-file, I found numerous packages related to ACPI and
> > there are also a few kernel modules dedicated to ACPI (in the last
> > case I would say the package is linux-image-5.4.0-4-amd64 version
> > 5.4.19-1 since I'm running a Debian testing) so I'm not sure of the
> > package name I should use to report this issue.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -- Rapha?l BAZAUD
> >
Does any Linux app exist to let systems know when bios updates become
available for the bios running on those systems?
>
>
>

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Re: Buster without systemd?

[Jude DaShiell]

There is devuan-ascii 2.x but I don't know its equivalent to buster.
That system maintained sysv and still has support.

#!/usr/bin/env bash
# file: getdevuan.sh - get devuan iso.
wget -bc 
http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_minimal-live.iso
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020,
Marc Shapiro wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:21:56
> From: Marc Shapiro 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Buster without systemd?
> Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:39:10 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Supposedly, one can install/upgrade to Buster while maintaining sysv as init.?
> Or has this changed.? Over the past several months I have been attempting to
> upgrade to Buster, but I have been completely unsuccessful.
>
> Has anyone managed to upgrade to Buster without installing systemd, or jumping
> through hoops that would drive a lion tamer mad?
>
> I made a copy of all of my partitions so that I could do the upgrade while
> maintaining Stretch in case something went wrong. I'm glad that I did!
>
> The first time that I tried this, I actually managed to upgrade to Buster and
> have everything appear to work.? Then I realized that I had only done an
> "upgrade" but not a "full-upgrade".? After that, X would not start.? I have,
> as I said, spent several months trying to get X working on Buster without
> systemd.? I have not been successful.? None of my later attempts ever got a
> working Buster with X, at all.
>
> Is it possible to do what I want?? Or, after 21 to 22 years of using Debian
> (since Bo), do I have to switch to another linux distro?? I would rather not
> have to switch, but you choose the distro that suits your needs, and if Debian
> no longer suits my needs then I may have to.
>
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>

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Re: Debian installer puts GRUB on main disk without asking

[Jude DaShiell]

running install through the menu, you get a choice of grub or lilo.
Other installers even beyond these two are available on other distros.
When I do an install additional to turning the screen reader on; I get
to menu, save logs, set priority to low, test disk integrity, choose
non-free from repositories and continue on with the installation.  If
anything happens, I get a record for debian-boot with disk integrity
check saved in it.  If it doesn't we're golden.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, Brian wrote:

> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 12:30:34
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Debian installer puts GRUB on main disk without asking
> Resent-Date: Thu,  5 Mar 2020 17:30:49 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 08:19:11AM +, Toni Casueps wrote:
>
> > Later at the boot loader part, it didn't ask if/where to install GRUB.
>
> With an expert installation I have never know d-i not to ask.
>
>

-- 

Re: Using a Debian Live image to Invoke a Rescue Shell

[Jude DaShiell]

Hit the < key until a numbered debian menu comes up.  Execute a shell
will be one of your options.  Key in that number and you'll get the ash
shell up and can go from there.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2020, john doe wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 09:21:52
> From: john doe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Using a Debian Live image to Invoke a Rescue Shell
> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:22:12 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 2/11/2020 1:50 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:
> > I don't know if things have changed or I forgot how to do this
> > but I want to boot in to a Debian image and not install it but
> > invoke a shell so as to clone the hard drive on a Windows machine
> > to an external hard drive.
> >
> > For computer users who are blind, this is a real boon in
> > situations like this because most Linux systems these days can be
> > made to boot talking by striking S when the OS starts to boot.
> >
> > You hear, in English first, "Choose your language."
> >
> > It is, of course, the same setup screen everybody sees so
> > one needs to set language, keyboard and general location to get
> > started.
> >
> > If one wants, they can go through the setup and install
> > the whole works but, in this case, I am doing this because I had
> > a stupid moment and wiped out my Windows home directory
> > after a batch file (shell script) got away from me and zapped
> > every file in my home directory instead of one folder I was
> > trying to zero out.  Go ahead and laugh.
> >
> > The idea is to clone the internal drive and then try
> > recovering the deleted files.  If something further goes wrong,
> > I've still got all the pieces.
> >
> > I remember doing this same thing a few years ago and
> > there is some way to break out of the setup screen and invoke a
> > bash-like shell in order to run mount/umount and dd.  Since I
> > boot it talking, all these applications still talk.  After all,
> > it's unix and the speech synthesizer was patched in to standard
> > output right from boot.  I don't remember exactly what special
> > key sequence I hit to invoke the shell but need to refresh my
> > memory or learn the new procedure.
> >
> > After learning how to get a relatively new HP Pavilion to
> > boot from a usb device, I think that most all the UFI-bootable
> > images will boot.  The one I just tried which did boot is
> > debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> >
> > I've also got
> >
> > debian-live-10.2.0-amd64-mate.iso and debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> >
> > The netinst image is only 350 MB while the dvd-1 image is
> > about 4 GB.  The mate image is around 2.5 GB.
> >
> > Thanks for any and all constructive suggestions as to how
> > to go from Setup to recovery shell.
> >
> > Martin McCormick
> >
>
> Some hints:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility
>
> https://grml.org/faq/#toc
>
> HTH.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

-- 

Re: usb Confusion

[Jude DaShiell]

I've never held a firewire connector though my computer has one on its
top, so can't say if what you need is a usb to firewire cable.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2020, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 09:47:50
> From: Jude DaShiell 
> To: Martin McCormick , debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: usb Confusion
> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:48:04 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> That sounds like a Micro usb port.  If you have a connector like that
> try inserting it very gently.  If it doesn't go in easily, flip the
> cable and try the other side.
>
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2020, Martin McCormick wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 08:31:37
> > From: Martin McCormick 
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: usb Confusion
> > Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:31:55 + (UTC)
> > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >
> > After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external
> > SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it.  It has a small
> > rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long.  A Mac
> > lightning connector is almost exactly the same size but
> > fortunately doesn't plug in but that's the size of whatever fits.
> > Crucial says it is usb-A .
> >
> > What is the correct nomenclature for the most common usb
> > connector that has been around for 25 or 30 years and fits the
> > vast majority of devices using usb?
> >
> > I'll need a cable that fits the old standard usb port on
> > one end and the disk drive on the other.
> >
> > There's an old saying:  "Standards are great.  Everybody
> > should have one."
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Martin McCormick
> >
> >
>
>

-- 

Re: usb Confusion

[Jude DaShiell]

That sounds like a Micro usb port.  If you have a connector like that
try inserting it very gently.  If it doesn't go in easily, flip the
cable and try the other side.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2020, Martin McCormick wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 08:31:37
> From: Martin McCormick 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: usb Confusion
> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:31:55 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>   After recently ordering and receiving a new 1 TB external
> SSD drive, I realized I had no way to connect it.  It has a small
> rectangular slot about 8 MM or a quarter of an inch long.  A Mac
> lightning connector is almost exactly the same size but
> fortunately doesn't plug in but that's the size of whatever fits.
> Crucial says it is usb-A .
>
>   What is the correct nomenclature for the most common usb
> connector that has been around for 25 or 30 years and fits the
> vast majority of devices using usb?
>
>   I'll need a cable that fits the old standard usb port on
> one end and the disk drive on the other.
>
>   There's an old saying:  "Standards are great.  Everybody
> should have one."
>
> Thanks.
>
> Martin McCormick
>
>

-- 

Re: windstream and linux

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, john doe wrote:

> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 12:42:57
> From: john doe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: windstream and linux
> Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 17:43:15 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 1/26/2020 5:27 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, john doe wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:16:29
> >> From: john doe 
> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: windstream and linux
> >> Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 16:16:47 + (UTC)
> >> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >>
> >> On 1/26/2020 4:40 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>> Is it possible to use a linux computer and do activation and registration
> >>> of an account on windstream?
> >>> If not I think I can have a relative of the friend me and another linux
> >>> user tried to help out bring over a windows laptop to get those steps
> >>> handled.
> >>>
> >>
> >> If you are talking about (1), This looks to me like it is an ISP, so I
> >> would say that the OS used to registere sign up is irrelevant.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1)  https://www.windstream.com/support/my-account-and-payments
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Doe
> >>
> > My reason for asking is when ip link set enp0s0 up was tried
> > the device couldn't be taken out of no carrier mode
> > and threw lots of hex code back for output.
> >
>
> Please share with us this output.
>
> - Where are you stuck?
> - What step(s) do you need to do to get through this registration process.
>
>
> I would suggest to use the router/gateway/... provided by your ISP
> before fiddling with your own stuff!
>
> --
> John Doe
>
Unfortunately I'm a week and about 900 miles separated from the output.
A relative is going to check this out and I hope sort it out with
windstream.com.
She will be in good proxinity and direct access to whatever output
develops.

>

--

Re: windstream and linux

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, john doe wrote:

> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:16:29
> From: john doe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: windstream and linux
> Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 16:16:47 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 1/26/2020 4:40 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Is it possible to use a linux computer and do activation and registration
> > of an account on windstream?
> > If not I think I can have a relative of the friend me and another linux
> > user tried to help out bring over a windows laptop to get those steps
> > handled.
> >
>
> If you are talking about (1), This looks to me like it is an ISP, so I
> would say that the OS used to registere sign up is irrelevant.
>
>
> 1)  https://www.windstream.com/support/my-account-and-payments
>
> --
> John Doe
>
My reason for asking is when ip link set enp0s0 up was tried
the device couldn't be taken out of no carrier mode
and threw lots of hex code back for output.

>

--

windstream and linux

[Jude DaShiell]

Is it possible to use a linux computer and do activation and registration
of an account on windstream?
If not I think I can have a relative of the friend me and another linux
user tried to help out bring over a windows laptop to get those steps
handled.



--

Re: I need to be root to run this script

[Jude DaShiell]

will alt+f2 sudo backlight-brightness  work?

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020, kaye n wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:36:23
> From: kaye n 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: I need to be root to run this script
> Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:39:09 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hello Friends
>
> I copied a script called backlight-brightness from the directory,
> /usr/local/bin
> of another GNU/Linux distro,
> and pasted it to the same directory of my Debian system.
>
>  If I run it in terminal,
> kaye@laptop:~$ backlight-brightness
> backlight-brightness: You need to be root to run this script
>
> Is it possible to be able to execute the script without being root?
>
> If it matters, in the other distro I would just press some key-binding that
> allows me to enter an app name so I can run it, (much like in Debian where
> I would press Alt-F2 which opens Application Finder and I would type an app
> name to execute it) , and I would type in backlight-brightness and it would
> open, no root needed.
>
> Thank you.
>

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Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?

[Jude DaShiell]

With sufficient memory above 1GB probably a swap file could be created
by an installer and maybe let the user know it got created and how to
turn it on with swapon as well as under what circumstances it would be
advantageous to the user to turn swap on.
That might be a bit too complex for installation scripts to handle
though.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, ct wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:04:27
> From: ct 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Debian Graphical Installer: why does it format swap?
> Resent-Date: Wed,  8 Jan 2020 17:21:09 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hello all
>
> It is good to see a few comments and help following my original post. I had
> set aside a few days to try out the Debian system and repositories but sorting
> out the effect on my main system and finding the cause has used up those days.
> I now have to return my kit to normal set-up and ready for action.
>
> Other than Pascal?s ?feature? - I assume he does not like it either - we still
> do not have a valid reason.
>
> Linus said ? don?t break users?. I don?t like being broken but I also think of
> this as a failure in duty of care and a failure of trust that an application
> will do what I want, not what a developer thinks I want. But I am also aware
> that this is my first real look (in about 10 years) at raw Debian. I cannot be
> too critical of something I do not fully understand so I will stick with the
> versions filtered via Ubuntu/Mint for a while longer.
>
> In leaving this topic and just in case someone else finds it later ? please
> take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Swap ? the Note towards the end of the
> page. If this is correct, then any swap partition on any drive in the kit will
> be compromised.
>
> If one of the maintainers of the excellent Installation Guides is watching,
> could you include a warning in the relevant section (6.3.4) please. A comment
> on the screens relating to setting up the swap may also help future users.
>
> I hope to come back to Debian (probably via LMDE) later.
>
> Regards
>
> CT
>
>

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Re: No sound with Pulseaudio

[Jude DaShiell]

Can you have pulseaudio on your system to make desktop environments happy
and disable pulseaudio and run using alsa and jack?  I got information
uninstalling pulseaudio is not an option with gnome but disabling
pulseaudio may work.



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Re: No sound with Pulseaudio

[Jude DaShiell]

On another system I found pulseaudio blocking speech-dispatcher when
festival was used for screen reader output.  Pulseaudio works for sound
but spd-say part of speech-dispatcher which produces speech gets blocked
by pulseaudio.  I proved this by removing pulseaudio and choosing alsa as
the output device in spd-conf and when I did that, speech-dispatcher and
spd-say had no trouble at all working and speaking.  For gnome, pulseaudio
is tied into too many other applications by dependencies so if you get
gnome on a system (maybe you can run it without pulseaudio included), I
haven't tried installing gnome without pulseaudio yet but that'll be
something else I try in a while.



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Re: MUA CLI IMAP and SMTP without ncurses interface

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020, Reco wrote:

> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 10:22:14
> From: Reco 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: MUA CLI IMAP and SMTP without ncurses interface
> Resent-Date: Sat,  4 Jan 2020 15:22:28 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>   Hi.
>
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 03:54:56PM +0100, john doe wrote:
> > As far as I can tell, Mutt uses the ncurses interface
> >
> > Can I use Mutt without ncurses?
>
> No, it's impossible to compile mutt without ncurses.
>
>
> > If no, is my only alternative Sup/Notmuch?
>
> No, there are apline and gnus, to name a few.
>
>
> > If I use Sup or Notmuch I also need to configure IMAP and SMTP access,
> > is there a MUA which does IMAP SMTP that does not rely on ncurses?
>
> See above.
>
> Reco
>
alpine will be a more correct spelling.
>

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Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, ghe wrote:

> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:49:36
> From: ghe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)
> Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:06:09 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Goodness. My asking for a little help with systemd seems to have started
> the closest thing to a flame war I remember seeing on a Debian mailing list.
>
> I apologize for that, but I learned a lot. SSH works now, but I can't
> get my own *.service file to work at boot (does manually, though), but I
> now have several things to look for.
>
> With this problem, I probably should have asked the systemd-user list,
> but it doesn't exist. The systemd-devel list does and they say user
> questions are welcome, but subscribing to it is a real PITA, and the
> process didn't work for me (the web page kept saying I didn't respond to
> the Capcha -- there was none).
>
>
> To the subject at hand:
>
> On 12/30/19 10:40 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I find forums much less convenient than mail
> > lists.
>
> As do I. That's why I asked the debian-user list. On this list, you ask
> a question; you usually get a knowledgeable human on the other end with
> an answer in just a few minutes.
>
> So let me add a vote for the suggestion that a raspian-user list would
> be a good idea. Even though it would likely quickly fill up with people
> trying to build science fair projects.
>
> A systemd-user list would be a good idea too.
>
>

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https://groups.io/g/ThePIGuys
may be able to help.

Re: dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, Charles Curley wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 09:56:26
> From: Charles Curley 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Mon,  9 Dec 2019 14:57:02 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:55:12 +0100 (CET)
>  wrote:
>
> > Usual advice : use strong passwords (i.e. long enough with high
> > entropy => generated&stored in a dedicated password manager) AND 1
> > different per service, never the same.
>
> There is a handy password generator available on Debian, called APG
> (Automated Password Generator), which will generate passwords for you.
> The default settings yield a fairly strong password, but you can modify
> those to make the results even stronger.
>
What can be done with apg to make the passwords stronger?

>

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Re: dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

No google now has a unique one now but didn't when the incidents
happened.

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:

> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 12:55:12
> From: l0f...@tuta.io
> To: John Hasler 
> Cc: Debian User 
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Sun,  8 Dec 2019 17:55:26 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hi,
>
> 8 d?c. 2019 ? 14:47 de jhas...@newsguy.com:
>
> > Do you use the same username everywhere?  It's common for criminals to
> > collect lists of usernames and try them in combination with guessed
> > passwords on as many services as possible.  The yield is low but it's
> > cost-effective for them because the process is fully automated using
> > thousands of bots and many people use poor passwords.
> >
> It's called Password Reuse attacks or Password stuffing btw if you want to 
> get more information about it.
> I've seen last week that some tools like PAF Credentials Checker 
> (https://github.com/kindredgroup/paf-credentials-checker) are developped to 
> detect potential use cases/occurrences to help mitigating the risks.
>
> Usual advice : use strong passwords (i.e. long enough with high entropy => 
> generated&stored in a dedicated password manager) AND 1 different per 
> service, never the same.
>
> Best regards,
> l0f4r0
>
>

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Re: dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

I had to close my original account as a result of the break in, and you
know what was really interesting?  The account compromise happened after
I set the account to two-step authentication.  For a while it had been a
lesser security account.
It's possible the break in happened since at the time I enabled two-step
authentication I didn't know about setting up app-passwords for mua's
used to connect to the account, but I don't know for sure on that one.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Brian wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 17:20:57
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Sat,  7 Dec 2019 22:21:22 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 16:45:34 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > One first-hand experience on google account hacking and contacting
> > others who were not surprised when I described my situation in earlier
> > email.
>
> Widespread breaking into Google accounts is a myth. You and your
> correspondents never provide any evidence. That is enough for me to
> completely ignore anything that is said about the matter.
>
> I am amazed that anyone with a strong password (as you say you have)
> is the least bit bothered about their gmail account being broken into/
>
> > Two, no change password dropbox will not allow login, so not possible to
> > ignore.
>
> Then, as a customer of dropbox, you do what they tell you.
>
>

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Re: dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

One first-hand experience on google account hacking and contacting
others who were not surprised when I described my situation in earlier
email.
Two, no change password dropbox will not allow login, so not possible to
ignore.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Brian wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 15:56:28
> From: Brian 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
> Resent-Date: Sat,  7 Dec 2019 20:56:43 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Sat 07 Dec 2019 at 12:06:37 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> > after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> > to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> > got prompted to change my password.
>
> Many services do indeed warn a user when someone tries *unsuccessfully*
> to change a password. Actually, it might be the user themselves, and she
> has forgotten the original password. The unsuccessful attempt triggers a
> warning email.
>
> You were (we assume) only prompted (not forced) to change the password.
> That's normal. You have no need to change because you already have a
> twenty character, high entropy password for gmail, so you haven't any
> reason to be worried. Ignore what you got from dropbox if it is possible.
>
> > What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> > dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> > credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> > know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> > the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> > devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> > password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> > google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> > but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.
>
> Google accounts are routinely hacked? Routinely? I do not know where you
> picked that up from. It's nonsense.
>
>

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Re: dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Hans wrote:

> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:49:17
> From: Hans 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: dropbox security situation
>
> Am Samstag, 7. Dezember 2019, 18:06:37 CET schrieb Jude DaShiell:
> Hi Jude,
>
> I know, there were several security issues with dropbox in the past, that
> frightened me. So dropbox would not be my first choice, although it is most
> used by people. (Windows is also most used by people, think of your own).
>
> My search lead me to nextcloud or SpiderOakOne. SpiderOakOne is my personal
> favourite, because it is cheap and had no serious security issues (as far as I
> know). And it is opensource.
>
> However, there are a lot of cloud solutions offered, many are closed source,
> some are open source. Dropbox is just the best known.
>
> Putting files into a cloud is IMHO always a risk, you know, they are in the
> internet, but you do not know WHERE.
>
> To your question: I do not believe, that this was a direct attack, I more
> beilieve, this was just an attack by some automatically and unmanned bots.
>
> Trusting third parties like dropbox and all the others is always a risk and
> secret data should always be under ones own control. Always!
>
> So, this were just my thoughts of your message.
>
> Best regards
>
> Hans
> > Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
> > after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
> > to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
> > got prompted to change my password.
> > What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
> > dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
> > credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
> > know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
> > the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
> > devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
> > password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
> > google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
> > but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.
> >
Thanks Hans, The only reason I had for using dropbox is orgsley on
android will link to it with other possibility being webdav and since
I've never done anything with webdav yet one of my concerns about using
that solution is I'd like to confine webdav to local network and it's
possible if this got done even if it was possible might break webdev.
There is a local directory option in orgsley but I haven't been able to
figure out how to get the phone and computer linked even with wi-fi so my
computer directories show up on my phone when a browse gets done.
I'm thinking it best to backup directly to a nas once internet access is
off and take the nas off the system once backup gets done then have
internet off while doing any kind of restore.  I have external drives
available for this locally.

> > > > > > -- > >

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dropbox security situation

[Jude DaShiell]

Recently I created a dropbox account with my gmail account.  Very shortly
after creation I was refused access since dropbox claimed someone tried
to change the password on my account and they weren't sure it was me so
got prompted to change my password.
What I don't know is if high probability exists this happened or if
dropbox does this with everyone that first creates an account using google
credentials to get new passwords on those accounts.  It would be good to
know one way or the other since the former scenario is more serious than
the latter.  I deleted dropbox and anything linked to it from all of my
devices and am thinking to use a different email address with a strong
password for a future dropbox account and expect will be changing my
google password shortly as well.  The password on google I used was strong
but google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked.



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Re: Debian Installer Bug -Wifi driver not installed

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 9 Nov 2019, Peter Ehlert wrote:

> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 13:28:02
> From: Peter Ehlert 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Debian Installer Bug -Wifi driver not installed
> Resent-Date: Sat,  9 Nov 2019 18:45:09 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>
> On 11/9/19 9:25 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 06:16:17 -0800
> > Peter Ehlert  wrote:
> >
> >> I have a desktop computer running Debian Buster Mate that I want to move
> >> to a different location and use Wifi.
> >> Using a cheap USB dongle NetworkManager Applet detects the device, lets
> >> me select from available networks, accepts password, but will not
> >> connect..and after a few moments it closes..
> >>
> >> Thinking the drivers were not installed (user error) I tried a fresh Net
> >> install alongside.
> >>   ?firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> >> I unplugged the ethernet cable was unplugged, the installer detected the
> >> USB device, install worked as expected.
> >> First boot, again the device is detected with NetworkManager Applet, but
> >> same thing... will not connect and after a few moments it closes.
> >>
> >> I also tried Buster Mate Live.
> >>   ?debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso
> >> D-I installer works but the result is the same as the Net installer.
> >> device detected, but will not connect.
> >> Running a Live session device detected, but will not connect.
> >>
> >> Ubuntu Mate works, Linux Mint Mate works.
> >>
> >> ... I am at a loss of where to begin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Network:
> >>   ? Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
> >>   ? IF: eno1 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 10:60:4b:73:2b:08
> >>   ? Device-2: Ralink RT5370 Wireless Adapter type: USB driver: rt2800usb
> >>   ? IF: wlx0013efcc2c72 state: down mac: 2e:be:92:09:c9:f5
> >>
> >>
> >> System:
> >>   ? Host: 6300buster Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
> >>   ? Desktop: MATE 1.20.4 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
> >> Machine:
> >>   ? Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Compaq Pro 6300 SFF
> >> ===
> >> as a reality check I moved the USB Wifi dongle to another machine one
> >> meter away and it has the same problem
> >> device detected, but will not connect.
> >>
> >> System:
> >>   ? Host: z620-9 Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: MATE
> >>   1.20.4
> >>   ? Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
> >>
> > A few months ago I had to do the same thing -- switch from wired to
> > wireless on this box that only had ever run wired -- but with Stretch.
> > Since I don't run a desktop environment (window manager only Openbox)
> > and sysvinit instead of systemd, I did the configuration manually.  I
> > didn't need a network config tool as I would only be connecting to one
> > wireless (and only one) access point.
> >
> > Have you installed wpa supplicant?  And is it configured properly?
> wpasupplicant is installed
> >
> > Have you installed the firmware for your particular USB dongle? As
> > you're using a ralink device, it will be named firmware-ralink or
> > something similar. It's in the non-free repo.
> firmware-ralink is installed
> > Check /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/  Is all
> > configured properly?
> I will review, but don't have much of an idea what the configurations should
> be
> >
> > Read the man pages for interfaces, wpa_supplicant, etc.  Also Debian
> > does have wikis on configuring wireless.
> thanks, I will work on understanding that too
> >
> > B
> >
Check version numbers on network manager packages on all three of these
systems.  It could be you need to wait for debian to update network
manager so its version number matches linux mint mate and ubuntu mate.

> >
> > >
>

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Re: auxiliary mail client for HTML

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Russell L. Harris wrote:

> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 22:04:57
> From: Russell L. Harris 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: auxiliary mail client for HTML
> Resent-Date: Tue,  5 Nov 2019 03:51:38 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 09:46:14PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >urlscan and a macro to bring urlscan up once a link got highlighted would
> >help if you still want to use mutt or neomutt.
>
> I am using urlscan.  I would be happy to forward to you one or two
> sample messages; each has a dozen links, and urlscan is not much help
> in deciding which link to select.  Sometimes I can access the links
> displayed by urlscan, but sometimes none of the links work.
>
> I am not looking for a replacement for Mutt.  I simply wish to have
> another client which is able to look at the same maildir and display
> the message.  Again, any reply I make always is in plain text, via
> Mutt.
>
> I installed Thunderbird -- what a huge truck-load of stuff!  But the
> configuration wizard would not allow me simply to point Thunderbird to
> the maildir to which getmail delivers incoming messages.
>
>
Could those urls be in different formats in those messages?
That will pose problems for some of these url grabbers.

>

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Re: auxiliary mail client for HTML

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, Russell L. Harris wrote:

> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:22:58
> From: Russell L. Harris 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: auxiliary mail client for HTML
> Resent-Date: Mon,  4 Nov 2019 23:43:57 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Several times a week I receive a HTML email with numerous links.  Mutt
> (or neoMutt, which I am using until I upgrade my Debian installation)
> seems not to be a good solution for such messages.
>
> What is a decent, simple GUI client which I can point at my maildir
> structure to read such messages and be able to open on the links with
> a click?
>
> I do not require SMTP; I plan to use Mutt for any response I send.
>
urlscan and a macro to bring urlscan up once a link got highlighted would
help if you still want to use mutt or neomutt.
>
>

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Re: KDE desktop not accessible after installation

[Jude DaShiell]

I don't know the full details on how kde starts, but have been
researching jovie to my limited capacity.  If spdconf has been run and
had a voice configured it may be possible to hit alt+f2 then type jovie
 or kmouth  and maybe have speech come up and talk.  Me
with no kde experienced sighted assistance let alone any sighted
assistance tried to get Kaos-linux going earlier today and that was a
total failure.
A way exists to install enough xorg packages so you could log in as a
console user and then run startx to bring up kde but I don't have full
details on that one in my notes.  If you did that, you'd be able to run
spdconf in console mode and get it set up and working before your next
attempt at kde.  Good luck, also there is an kde-accessibil...@kde.org
email list for what passes for kde accessibility support.

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, Kenward Vaughan wrote:

> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:42:45
> From: Kenward Vaughan 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: KDE desktop not accessible after installation
> Resent-Date: Sun,  3 Nov 2019 01:43:04 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been using XFCE for quit some time, but wanted to play with several
> other desktop environments, so I installed Cinnamon, Mate, and KDE.
>
> The KDE choice does not show up in sddm's or lightdm's menu.?? I see no
> startkde (has that disappeared?), and I have no .xsession* file.
>
> Anyone know what I am missing to get this to work?
>
> I am running an up-to-date testing system...
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Kenward
>
>
>

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Re: Needed: functionality of mkisofs command

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2019, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 15:39:50
> From: Richard Owlett 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Needed: functionality of mkisofs command
> Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:40:15 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 10/27/2019 09:13 AM, Stefan Krusche wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2019 schrieb Richard Owlett:
> >> I wish to use ISO files as archives.
> >>
> >> Multiple references suggest command of form:
> >>> $ mkisofs ?o backup.iso /home/tin/Documents/backup
> >>
> >> Debian does not have "mkisofs".
> >>
> >> The manpages for xorriso and xorrisofs say they are suitable.
> >>
> >> BUT give no example. I got lost attempting to follow the manpages.
> >>
> >> Help please.
> >
> > Maybe genisoimage can help you.
>
> Neither its manpage nor package page give me "warm comfy feelings".
> Seems too tightly tied to physical media.
>
> As I have an unrelated project involving xorriso/xorrisofs I'll focus on
> Thomas Schmitt's comments.
>
> Thank you.
>
Have you tried growisofs yet?
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want

[Jude DaShiell]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Doug McGarrett wrote:

> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03
> From: Doug McGarrett 
> To: Dan Ritter ,
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:26:48 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> >> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> >>
> >> This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
> >> you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
> >> How long will it take for me to master a programming language like
> >> C++, Java, and Python?
> >
> > Nobody knows.
> >
> >
> skip intro
> >
> > Most experienced programmers know two or three computer languages very
> > well, and one or two others just enough to figure out what a program is
> > doing.
> >
> > Python is generally considered a good language to start learning
> > the ideas of programming, and is also widely used for a variety
> > of tasks. I think "Learn Python The Hard Way" is an excellent
> > introductory book. It will take a dedicated student at least
> > two months to get through it, or about a year if you work on it
> > one day a week or so.
> >
> > Once you know one programming language, you will find it much
> > easier to learn new ones in the same family of languages, and
> > also easier to learn unrelated languages. For example, once you
> > understand the concept of a typed variable, you won't have to
> > relearn that -- just what the types available in a given
> > language are.
> >
> > I work in shell, Perl, Python, Ruby; I use some special purpose
> > languages like SQL, and specialized configuration languages like
> > Cisco IOS and Juniper's JunOS. I have used any number of
> > languages in the past that I don't encounter much, like LISP,
> > FORTRAN and Prolog.
> >
> > I don't consider myself a programmer. I'm a senior
> > general-purpose systems administrator with network engineering,
> > security and people-management specialties.
> >
> > -dsr-
>
> I'm not a programmer either. I started learning code way back
> when BASIC and Fortran seemed to be the most common languages,
> and I learned to use BASIC. (This was in the days when we had
> an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was
> 1500 miles away!) Later, I learned a "real" language, Pascal.
> When I discovered the case statement, I was in heaven! What a
> mess it was to do the equivalent in BASIC! As an RF engineer,
> it was really handy to solve some repetitive equations in Pascal.
>
> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but
> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version
> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good.
>
> I took a good look at Python, and decided that the necessary
> indentation was too much for me to deal with. Maybe there is
> some kind of automated system for doing this, but I don't know
> of it.
>
> As for as learning to code, the most important part of any coding
> language routine is to state a problem and define a means of solving
> it, step by step, before you write a word of code, regardless of the coding
> language! (This usually is called "pseudo code.") So if you have
> a logical mind, that's the first step.
>
> --doug
>
The yabasic interpreter has a switch statement which takes case
statements inside it.  One rather unique feature of yabasic is the bind
command which binds your source code to the interpreter and in that way
constructs a stand-alone package.

> >

--

Re: disk going bad? or fuser related issues? . . .

[Jude DaShiell]

It may help to only do defrag operations while entirely off the
internet.  This was necessary with Windows machines when I worked for
the Navy a few years ago.

On Fri, 4 Oct 2019, ?tienne Mollier wrote:

> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:26:48
> From: ?tienne Mollier 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: disk going bad? or fuser related issues? . . .
>
> Albretch Mueller, on 2019-10-04:
> >  Lately I have been noticing the NTFS partition being slower than
> > usual: telling me I am not allowed to open that partition and/or the
> > OS doing it itself but taking its time (like 5 seconds). The other
> > partitions mount just fine, so it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue.
> >
> >  Is that disk partition somehow going bad or there might be something
> > else going on?
>
> I vaguely recall from the previous decade that NTFS is subject
> to noticeable performance loss while fragmenting.  From time to
> time, you may want to run a defragmenter tool on this drive, to
> reorder file blocks.
>
> > root@mrme:~# mount --types ntfs --verbose /dev/sdc1 /media/mrme/NTFS
> > Mount is denied because the NTFS volume is already exclusively opened.
> > The volume may be already mounted, or another software may use it which
> > could be identified for example by the help of the 'fuser' command.
>
> I've had that kind of behavior in a dual boot context, while the
> Windows system kept the partition still mounted even after a
> poweroff, in order to boot faster (sic) afterwards.  I had a
> solution which involved disabling the Fast Boot capability of
> the motherboard for one, and second to always use the Restart
> button instead of Shutdown, which actually put the machine in
> some kind of deep-sleep.  Which little luck it may just be that.
>
> Kind Regards,  :)
>

-- 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

The next one that needs to loose her job is that robotics engineer. On
Thu, 19 Sep 2019, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:29:19
> From: rhkra...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 18:29:38 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> I don't support anyone unconditionally.  I don't think anyone should -- we
> (all) are smarter, more discerning, and capable of dealing with things like
> ambiguity.
>
> I read only a little bit (the begining) of the Register article covering the
> interview with Richard Stallman, and from what I read there, I think he was
> unfairly judged with respect to his remarks about the Giuffre incident.
>
> From:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/17/richard_stallman_final_interview/
> `
> Said alleged victim, Virginia Giuffre, earlier said she was told to have sex
> with Minsky at Epstein's US Virgin Islands retreat. It is claimed she was 17
> at the time, in a place where the age of consent is 18. Minksy was 73.
>
> Stallman's post to the MIT mailing list argued, in a spectacularly insensitive
> fashion, that Minsky may not have been aware Giuffre had been coerced to have
> sex.
>
> "The most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely
> willing," Stallman wrote in his post last Wednesday. "Assuming she was being
> coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that
> from most of his associates. I?ve concluded from various examples of
> accusation inflation that it is absolutely wrong to use the term 'sexual
> assault' in an accusation."
> `
> I also see, in the next paragraph, this:
>
> `
> On the internet and in news publications, this attempt to downplay the alleged
> rape of a teenage trafficking-ring victim didn't go over well, and led to
> further scrutiny of past emails and online posts that made matters worse. He
> had previously expressed skepticism of age of consent laws and of the
> wrongness of "voluntary pedophilia," suggesting there is no harm done if a
> child and an adult have consensual sex together.
> '
> and later:
> `
> And he renounced past statements about pedophilia.
> He wrote, "Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about
> sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal
> conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child
> can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think
> adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me
> to understand why."
> '
>
> So:
>
>* for what Stallman did for the FSF and such, I thank and applaud him
>
>* for his remarks about the Giuffre case, I feel he has been misjudged and
> treated unfairly, and if I could (reasonably) do something to redress the
> wrong, I would try
>
>* for his remarks about voluntary pedophelia, those (imho) were very wrong
> and very unfortunate, and I don't respect him for having made those remarks.
> It does seem, though, that he has changed his mind and repented.  For changing
> his mind, I also applaud and support him.
>
> Do I feel that he should have lost of any of his positions based on this
> incident?  No.
>
> I guess I'm saying that he (like all of us) should be judged on actual facts,
> and not blindly supported (or castigated) and, at least in some cases, be
> granted forgiveness for some past sins.
>
> Now, if he had actually had sex with a child, I don't think that could or
> should be forgiven.
>
> If he had sex with a child, I could still thank and applaud him for his
> contributions to Free Software, but punishment for a crime such as pedophilia
> (which was not suggested in what I read) should be swift and sure.
>
> Hmm, what about Marvin Minsky -- could he really have thought that a 17 year
> old (or possibly a seeming 18 year old) wanted to voluntarily have sex with
> him?  I suppose it is possible, but ...
>
> And, thinking back, I guess what Stallman was doing was, in essence defending
> Minsky.  Could Stallman really think that Minsky really thought the 17-year
> old was voluntarily interested in having sex with him?  I guess I have to
> think about that one.
>
> My overall points though, include:
>
>* that we can judge some of the actions of any man one way, and other
> actions by the same man another way, and sometimes one can overshadow the
> other, and sometimes not.
>
>* I don't wish to judge a man and, for example, excuse all his sins because
> of some good he has done, nor to forget the good a man may have done because
> of his sins.  But that doesn't mean his sins should be forgiven if they are
> "factual".
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 05:19:50 AM aprekates wrote:
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
> >
> > I stand 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Fred wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:05:39
> From: Fred 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:10:06 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 9/19/19 8:40 AM, Default User wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates  > > wrote:
> >
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands
> > for .
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not
> > a crime but a human right.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised
> > authentic voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when
> > we choose how to use, produce share software and not a voice
> > caressing my consciousness.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our
> > digital world.
> >
> > Alexandros Prekates
> >
> > email: apreka...@posteo.net 
> > social:apreka...@diasp.eu 
> > chomw...@fosstodon.org 
> >
> >
> > ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
> > ? attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
> >
> > https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
> >
> > https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
> >
> > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122
> >
> >
> >
> > I must agree.
> >
> > We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse,
> > freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.
> >
> > The witch hunts are back.
> >
> Do we have our lying idiot, bag of crap, fake President to thank for making
> that much worse?
>
You forgot malignant narcisist.

>

-- 

Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware

[Jude DaShiell]

My guess is, Richard Stallman will be replaced.  What will be unknown
for a while is how well he will be replaced within the F.S.F.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019, Default User wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 11:40:03
> From: Default User 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: I support the founder of FreeSoftware
> Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:40:33 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 05:20 aprekates  wrote:
>
> > I want to express my support to Richard Stallman amidst a smear attack
> > on his person, on his right to speak, but mostly to what he stands for .
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because expressing our thougths is not a crime
> > but a human right.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman because i need an uncompromised authentic
> > voice reminding me the ethic weight of our actions when we choose how to
> > use, produce share software and not a voice caressing my consciousness.
> >
> > I stand by Richard Stallman for the freedom he brought to our digital
> > world.
> >
> > Alexandros Prekates
> >
> > email:  apreka...@posteo.net
> > social:  apreka...@diasp.eu
> > chomw...@fosstodon.org
> >
> >
> > ps: for the members of the debian community not fully aware of
> >   attack i'd recommend as entry readings:
> >
> > https://itsfoss.com/richard-stallman-controversy/
> >
> > https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
> >
> > http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122
> >
>
>
> I must agree.
>
> We have descended into the new Dark Ages where intellectual discourse,
> freedom of speech, and even freedom of thought will not be tolerated.
>
> The witch hunts are back.
>

-- 

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Jude DaShiell]

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:19:58
> From: to...@tuxteam.de
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: webmail and email from command line
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:47:55AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:32:31 +0200
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:15:45PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:43:35 +0200
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 05:19:28PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:10:35 +0200
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > I think terming Google's decision to call software that doesn't
> > > > implement OAuth "less secure" "evil" is hyperbole [...]
> > >
> > > This nicely demonstrates my point: OAuth is a HTTP oriented access
> > > delegation protocol. Why should that be at all relevant, e.g. in
> > > the context of IMAP?
> >
> > >From the Introduction to RFC 6749:
>
> Edited by D. Hardt, Microsoft. Hmmm.
>
> > *
> >
> > In the traditional client-server authentication model [...]
>
> > Third-party applications are required to store the resource
> >   owner's credentials for future use, typically a password in
> >   clear-text.
>
> So for Mr. Hardt, Kerberos doesn't exist. Or he's talking HTTP context
> only.
>
> But I disgress: more interesting is this [1]:
>
>"Eran Hammer resigned his role of lead author for the OAuth
> 2.0 project, withdrew from the IETF working group, and removed
> his name from the specification in July 2012. Hammer cited a
> conflict between web and enterprise cultures as his reason
> for leaving, noting that IETF is a community that is 'all
> about enterprise use cases' and 'not capable of simple.'"
>
> See also "decommoditizing protocols [2]
>
> > You can argue that none of this matters to you, since you trust
> > whatever OSS software you're using, but I stand by what I wrote that
> > it's unfair to term Google's decision to refer to applications that
> > don't implement OAuth "less secure" "evil".
>
> Whatever you mean by "none of this": I am interested in security.
> But in /my/ security, on in /your/ security -- not Google's or
> Microsoft's (or whatever bigcorp's out there). Much less in their
> business model's security.
>
> > I was referring to the client side - Chrome / Chromium achieved
> > dominance (particularly on the desktop) largely because they were
> > widely recognized as being more performant than the alternatives.
>
> Remember that Google is an advertising company?
>
> > Firefox may be catching up now, but my impression is that for years,
> > both experts as well as laymen often preferred Chrome / Chromium
> > because of its speed. [Note that I have always stuck to Firefox for
> > almost all my browsing, largely because I don't like / trust Google, so
> > we're not as far apart as we might seem.]
>
> [...]
>
> > We agree - I want it out of my cereal bowl as well ;)
>
> Google-free cereals for all ;-D
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth#Controversy
> [2] https://www.levien.com/free/decommoditizing.html

Google could evaluate the non-browser software in use and pass what is
secure and fail the other packages with explanations for the authors of
failed packages but what google could do and what google is doing or will
be doing are three different matters altogether.  Lord Ackton in his full
quote had a few things to say about this and other corporate situations
in which we find ourselves these days.  By the way, his full quote is
longer than its first seven words and even better for that for my money.

>
> -- t >

-- 

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Jude DaShiell]

anyone who needs that, needs a burner account.  Those are lots less
permanent and when your account is taken by someone else since you have
no way to recover that account it's understood whatever you had in it
was encrypted and is disposible.  Google provides a higher level of
management than you need for this kind of account.  The aol "service" it
turns out had these kind of accounts which once a screen name was taken
over you lost the account that went with it.
Search for public internet sites and check out what mail services those
have to offer and I think you'll be happy.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, loredana wrote:

> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:26:53
> From: loredana 
> To: Jude DaShiell 
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: webmail and email from command line
> Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:27:39 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:51 PM Jude DaShiell  wrote:
>
> > Running using 2fa may be possible with non-browser apps if your security
> > records indicate you ran with what google considers an untrusted app and
> > google has it listed.  You can generate an app-specific password for the
> > non-browser app and will need to save it.  Then you modify your
> > non-browser app settings on local machine and key in that app-specific
> > password in place of the other password you used earlier.  This has been
> > documented for mutt as being possible and may work for other non-browser
> > apps too.  You'll need to give google a mobile number for account
> > recovery and the like too.
>
> Yes, that should work too (see the first mail in this thread).
>
> But ... what stopped me and made me think is: what if I prefer to have
> access to "my" mail without giving up a mobile or not so mobile
> telephone number?
>
> I am happier if this is made possible for everybody who prefer so via
> a free application. Not sure gmailieer is going to work, not until I
> try it. Bu it looks promising.
>
> Cheers,
> Loredana
>
>

-- 

Re: webmail and email from command line

[Jude DaShiell]

On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, loredana wrote:

> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:02:17
> From: loredana 
> To: Celejar 
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: webmail and email from command line
> Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:03:05 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> First of all, I wish to thank all of you who shared their experience.
> Be reassured I am taking any constructive suggestion into serious
> account and exploring more.
>
> Then:
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:03 AM Celejar  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:24:49 +000
>
> > loredana  wrote:
> > > secure applications, this is likely not to be a viable solution (it
> > > seems that google is going to forbit less secure application access
> > > starting November first of this year and it is already a pain to use
> > > it now).
> >
> > What is your source for Google's plans, and how is it already a pain?
>
> I am following the google development on this issue, but I got the
> date from the mu4e mailing list. I'l post the link, if I can find it
> again (remember, I am almost blind and even replying to email is, at
> the moment, really slow and difficult).
>
> > have been using getmail and sylpheed with several Google mail accounts
> > for years, and it seemed pretty straightforward - just set the "allow
> > less secure apps" option, and then configure POP3 / SMTP normally.
>
> In the email that started this thread, I tried to make clear that this
> is something happening "now". I use the internet for crossing oceans
> quickly since bitnet and I remember whet google was born as
> google."org". I am myself a long term gmail user and this is why I
> carefully look after main changes. The way email clients will
> authenticate to gmail is drfinitely one of them and is going to affect
> us for sure.
>
> I may be able to be more responsive once I find a good way of avoiding 
> webmail.
> Meanwhile, here is the best I could find toward a possible solution
> that may help avoid the OAUTH2 authorization issue by complying with
> it.
>
> You need debian buster as a minimum, then look at the gmailieer
> package. It seems to be oauth2 enabled and therefore be able to access
> gmail and possibly other mail providers. I still have to test it. If
> you try it, be careful because it requires notmuch and notmuch is in
> the less secure apps list, so you have to allow less secure apps
> first, I guess, and hopefully be able to set it off/on as you like
> again (if you can, this will probably get a feeling about the pain
> ...).
>
> gmailieer is GPLv3+ and in debian. IMHO this these are two good
> things. The debian package page:
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gmailieer
>
> It seems that mbsync (isink) is on itw long way to become OAUTH2
> enableb, too, as possibly other applications. It is a matter of timen
> and the free software community will catch up, as usual.
>
> I don't think the authentication issue is going to affect webmail
> users for a while.

Running using 2fa may be possible with non-browser apps if your security
records indicate you ran with what google considers an untrusted app and
google has it listed.  You can generate an app-specific password for the
non-browser app and will need to save it.  Then you modify your
non-browser app settings on local machine and key in that app-specific
password in place of the other password you used earlier.  This has been
documented for mutt as being possible and may work for other non-browser
apps too.  You'll need to give google a mobile number for account
recovery and the like too.

> > Loredana > >

--

Re: Kernel upgrade ?

[Jude DaShiell]

The other tip about kernel install selection is to install something
like kernel-i386 or kernel-x86 without all of the long version numbers
as suffixes in their names.  You get those kernels by default unless you
run install with expert operational in which case you then get presented
with all of the choices.  I expect one way or the other you have this
covered correctly, so it could be something between you and debian pool
is misconfigured.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, john wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:23:59
> From: john 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade ?
> Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 12:24:22 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> yes
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > You have updated /etc/apt-get/sources.list and replaced testing with
> > buster in all locations too and this failure continues?
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, john wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:12:39
> >> From: john 
> >> To: Holger Skidzun 
> >> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade ?
> >> Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:13:13 + (UTC)
> >> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >>
> >> No I did not; I checked that again kjust niw but sill no upgrade.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, Holger Skidzun wrote:
> >>
> >> > Did you by chance forgot apt-get update?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, Holger
> >> >
> >> > Mit freundlichem Gru?!
> >> >
> >> >> Le 12 ao?t 2019 ? 12:35, John  a ?crit :
> >> >>
> >> >> I received a notification from the Debian security list saying that
> >> >> there were a number of fixes to the kernel and saying I should update
> >> >> my buster system; "For the stable distribution (buster), these
> >> >> problems have been fixed in version 4.19.37-5+deb10u2."
> >> >>
> >> >> However apt does not seem to know about this and I remain running
> >> >> 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 according to uname.  What am I missing?   I did
> >> >> check /etc/apt/sources and it does include
> >> >> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main
> >> contrib
> >> >> non-free
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for any information.
> >> >> ==John ffitch
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>

-- 

Re: Kernel upgrade ?

[Jude DaShiell]

You have updated /etc/apt-get/sources.list and replaced testing with
buster in all locations too and this failure continues?

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, john wrote:


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:12:39
From: john 
To: Holger Skidzun 
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Kernel upgrade ?
Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:13:13 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

No I did not; I checked that again kjust niw but sill no upgrade.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, Holger Skidzun wrote:

> Did you by chance forgot apt-get update?
>
> Cheers, Holger
>
> Mit freundlichem Gru?!
>
>> Le 12 ao?t 2019 ? 12:35, John  a ?crit :
>>
>> I received a notification from the Debian security list saying that
>> there were a number of fixes to the kernel and saying I should update
>> my buster system; "For the stable distribution (buster), these
>> problems have been fixed in version 4.19.37-5+deb10u2."
>>
>> However apt does not seem to know about this and I remain running
>> 4.19.37-5+deb10u1 according to uname.  What am I missing?   I did
>> check /etc/apt/sources and it does include
>> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib
>> non-free
>>
>> Thank you for any information.
>> ==John ffitch
>>
>
>



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Re: ncurses?

[Jude DaShiell]

Try running script if the system is already installed then run each of
the problem commands then type exit.  You'll get a file called
typescript which is ansi text that probably will get through the spam
filters if you include it in the body of your message and do not attach
it.  If the ansi can be cleaned out of typescript the reading will be
cleaner and the file a little shorter.

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, ghe wrote:

> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 19:45:32
> From: ghe 
> To: debian-user 
> Subject: ncurses?
> Resent-Date: Tue,  2 Jul 2019 23:45:49 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Buster, Supermicro 5036T (aka sbox), Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 according
> to lspci, RME Hammerfall sound card
>
> I asked for help with this a few days ago and attached a screenshot to
> show what my problem is. There've been no replies -- I guess graphics
> are caught by a spam filter somewhere.
>
> The problem is that, on sbox, alsamixer and aptitude are badly displayed
> -- alsamixer so bad that it's not usable. The vertical lines in
> alsamixer are broken into pieces and the pieces are offset a quarter of
> an inch or so. The horizontals aren't broken, but their positions are
> offset like the vertical pieces. Some of them.
>
> I can't use my sound card without alsamixer. Aptitude's problems are
> just a nuisance that I expect to see fixed RSN.
>
> I hope that's enough to explain what's going on. If not, please say so,
> and I'll put the screenshot on my website.
>
> lynx is fine. And there are no difficulties with GUI stuff.
>
> When I run one of these programs and 'ps aux' I see lynx or alsamixer or
> aptitude, but no ncurses. I'm not sure what, if anything, that means.
> But I expected to see ncurses.
>
> The problem on sbox is fairly new. I don't know which update broke it
> because I don't need the sound card very often. It worked since the
> early alsa days and I didn't change anything, I promise.
>
> Both problem programs are fine on the Dell laptop (also running Buster)
> in the next room. When I SSH to the laptop and run alsamixer over there,
> it's better on my screen, but not right. When I run alsamixer on sbox,
> SSH to the laptop, and SSH back to sbox, it's unintelligible again on
> the sbox screen.
>
> I can't find anything remotely like this on the web.
>
> At first I guessed something was wrong in Linux' Radeon driver. But I'm
> not so sure anymore because lynx has no problems. But lynx doesn't try
> to make pictures, and text is fine everywhere...
>
> At a loss. Ideas?
>
>

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Re: DVD Burning speed

[Jude DaShiell]

That I don't know.  It could be the dvd burning software setting this
limit unless more than one type of software also does it.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, deloptes wrote:

> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 01:06:11
> From: deloptes 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: DVD Burning speed
> Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 05:06:34 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > The speed in the burning command and the fs parameter. ?Needs the right
> > amount of memory in it and that's a factor of machine resource
> > availability.
>
> but I do not have option 1x - it gives me minimum 3x. Why is this so
>
>
>

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Re: DVD Burning speed

[Jude DaShiell]

The speed in the burning command and the fs parameter.  Needs the right
amount of memory in it and that's a factor of machine resource
availability.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, deloptes wrote:

> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:02:29
> From: deloptes 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: DVD Burning speed
> Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:02:48 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
>
> What does determine the DVD burning speed? Is it the DVD or the burner or
> both?
>
> How can I write DL dvd at 1x speed?
>
> thanks and regards
>
>
>

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Re: Preseed file and hostname not used on installed system

[Jude DaShiell]

I never tried using a debian preseed.cfg file, but I thought there were
some post-install commands that could get issued.  Maybe using one of
these is how you can set hostname.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, john doe wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:25:47
> From: john doe 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Preseed file and hostname not used on installed system
> Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:26:06 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 6/10/2019 8:24 PM, john doe wrote:
> > Hi, I'm installing Debian Stretch using a preseed file, the preseed file
> > is common for multiple hosts with the exception of the hostname.
> >
> > boot: auto hostname=try domain=example.com ...
> > url=tftp://hostname/preseed.cfg
> >
> > The host name specified is not used when Debian is installed, it is
> > always set to 'bad'.
> >
> > I understand the limitations but what is the proper way to specify the
> > desired hostname or are workarounds (1) the way to go?
> >
> > Any help/hints is appriciated.
> >
> >
> > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106614/preseed-cfg-ignoring-hostname-setting
> >
>
> After some digging/testing I'm not able to supply by kernel boot
> parameter the hostname:
>
> boot: auto hostname=foobar url=...
>
> From what I understand, 'hostname' as kernel boot parameter takes
> precedence over the hostname provided by dhcp.
>
>
> It is miserably failing and I don't understand what I'm missing here?
>
>
> In other words, how can I set the hostname while using a preseed file
> loaded with 'auto url=server'.
>
> Any input is welcome.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

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Re: what does trade war mean for chinese linux user?

[Jude DaShiell]

Very likely zero impact.

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019, Long Wind wrote:

> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:04:57
> From: Long Wind 
> To: Debian-user List Debian 
> Subject: what does trade war mean for chinese linux user?
> Resent-Date: Mon,  3 Jun 2019 11:05:58 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> trade war between china and usa is escalating
> an early debian distro has flavor for non-us users, because of us export 
> restriction? how does usa enforce the law on Internet?
> it's not easy for me to use mail and i may not respond timely

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Re: Gene you poor soul

[Jude DaShiell]

If brltty is killing all other usb numbers, that's a bug that needs
fixing!  Much of the other computer peripherals going into modern
computers these days go in through usb ports.
If that ran, my standard keyboard and speakers would be killed and if
those two get killed, I can't use a computer since I use speech
synthesis for output since I've never been able to see a screen.

One time I remember the Navy went and fixed band width hogging bugs with
their mandatory training and took out the requirement to position a
mouse and click to move to the next slide.  This was done to support
accessibility.  Its other effect was on all of the ships in the fleets.
Sailors suddenly discovered it was easier to complete their mandatory
training.
That was one instance where accessibility improvement had a good effect
on those in remote environments.

On Tue, 21 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 19:56:58
> From: Gene Heskett 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Gene you poor soul
> Resent-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 23:57:15 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On Tuesday 21 May 2019 05:48:54 pm bw wrote:
>
> > In-Reply-To: <201905211726.13958.ghesk...@shentel.net>
> > subject=Re: Re: \got a new problem with heyu, and it is a bug in
> > bfltty that kills all /dev/ttyUSBnumber's
> >
> > >> Sorry to but in, but really Gene... don't you think that
> > >> accessibility for the blind is more important, than controlling the
> > >> lights in your house, or whatever you are using heyu for?  It's
> > >> only an initial setup, it's not permanent.  I mean really, have a
> > >> little compassion?
> > >
> > >Thats exactly why I am arguing for brltty to be fixed. Because it
> > > should be able to co-exist.  And it can't do that now.
> >
> > Gene you poor soul, I will pray for you.
>
> I appreciate it, but TBT I think I have made it this far because he's not
> ready to cope with a stubborn old fart that I can be.  He's had several
> chances over the last 50 years, and thrown me back everytime. Pulmonary
> embolisms are about 98% fatal, but 4 years later I'm still calling it
> like I see it. I will admit to thinking a little fuzzier since then as
> my brain suffered from lack of oxygen for 3 or 4 hours while the
> clotbuster shot was working.  And I sure don't recommend it as a way to
> die. Scary & terrifying is not an adequate description.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>

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Re: using git locally

[Jude DaShiell]

This comes from David Karl Oliver who is no longer among the living.
Marine: Muscles are required intelligence not expected.  His cousin
joined the Corps too and David Oliver and me worked as civilians for the
Navy in the same office.

On Fri, 17 May 2019, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:

> Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 10:59:36
> From: Eduardo M KALINOWSKI 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: using git locally
> Resent-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 14:59:53 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> On 17/05/2019 11:31, mick crane wrote:
> > well that seems to work
> > "git clone myserver:/path_to_git_repository"
> > whereas
> > "git remote add origin myserver:/path_to_git_repository"
> > fatal: not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
> >
> > probably I can worry about that later at least I know now I can talk
> > to it.
>
> That's because git remote add is meant to add a remote to an existing
> git (local) repository. You're probably running it on an empty
> directory, so it complains (correctly) that you're not in a repository.
>
> If you really must, do "git init ." and then "git remote add". But just
> use clone to create the local repository based on another repository.
>
>

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re: can't install add-ons for firefox

[Jude DaShiell]

One thing that can happen with firefox is you can install webvisum on
firefox for windows but because webvisum supports no other operating
system you can't install webvisum on linux or android or an iphone even
though firefox works on all of those platforms.



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Re: How do I trace changes in configuration files?

[Jude DaShiell]

One thing I like to do whenever using vim and vim-clones is to use the +1
parameter on the command line since when the file opens I'm in a
predictable location.



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Re: A call to drop gnome

[Jude DaShiell]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Keith Bainbridge wrote:

> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 02:54:02
> From: Keith Bainbridge 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: A call to drop gnome
> Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 07:12:08 + (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Good afternoon
>
>
> I've copied 2 bits from the discussion on synaptic and adding my 2 bobs' worth
> towards the next review of whether gnome remains the default desktop.
>
>
>
> On 15/4/19 9:31 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:> Because GNOME. GNOME's upstream
> said their word loud and clear, and that
> > word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'.
>
>
>
> On 16/4/19 12:23 am, Jonathan Dowland wrote:>
> > The decision to ship GNOME as the default desktop is regularly
> > revisited: And
> > if a future GNOME release dropped X support altogether, you can be sure
> > that
> > would be a factor in the re-evaluation that would follow.
>
>
> I've never been a fan of gnome, and I can only say that in the beginning it
> was simply because I didn't yet know about themes etc. I settled for KDE, in
> the 1990's.  I now know that it was the slowest of all, but I found my way
> around easiest.
>
> I changed desktops several times over the years, settling on Mate since about
> 2014.
>
> I'm always looking for a better way, so gave gnome a run. It lasted until I
> found that I am not meant to be able to put the tool-bar where I like it. It
> is possible, but...   Smacks of os/x desktop; some flexibility, but
> not everything is changeable. (Gore, even MS allows me to move the tool-bar.)
>
> Now Tomas quips about gnome is insisting that we like a new video process,
> just because the team have decided to like it lots.
>
> I say this is NOT freedom.
>
> Of course new users accept the defaults on a fresh install - I guess that like
> me 20 years ago, they presume the defaults will work best.
>
>
> So, I am asking that gnome be dropped as an installation option (not just as
> the default desktop) until they encourage freedom. Will I ever try it again
> when it is a truly free?  Probably - in the name of looking for a better way.
> Never know - there maybe something that changes my computing life totally.
>
>
> By the bye, it's 16:52, and Autumn in my back yard. There are leaves all over
> our footpaths.
>
>
>

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Wayland if what I read on debian-accessibility list is correct has
unsolved screen reader accessibility problems.  Since I came into Linux
mostly using the command line such a switch would have a limited impact
since when I do use any part of the graphical user interface environment
it's to do things the command line environment can't.  I have X with mate
running on this machine now and a case in point came up yesterday.
Logging into youtube-viewer has to be done with a graphical browser since
the command line alternatives do not do javascript.  Now the log in url
google requires is over 200 characters long which is no picnic typing.
So with the help of others on the blinux-list I came up with a set of
instructions to get this done.  For me, only possible since X works as
well as it now does.  So unless or until Wayland gets its accessibility
act cleaned up, removal of X will not be a minor event for me and others
in the screen reader accessibility user community.  Linux is getting more
and more like Microsoft in this respect.  Those who used to use MSdos 6.22
and remember what happened afterwards with MSDOS 7.0 with Microsoft and
how Microsoft mishandled that know what I'm talking about here.  Earlier
much in Linux was based on real choices users could make now Linus
Torvalds is arguing for standardization of the linux desktop.  Earlier I
worked for the Navy before NMCI came into existence and that was back in
the day when depending on what base you called home you'd likely be
running different software and different operating systems.  That
non-standardization from a security perspective probably made it more
difficult for the malware writers to do their work.  With NMCI and what
NMCI emanated it's either a specific version of windows or Linux for the
really important equipment system-wide.

Re: text editors

[Jude DaShiell]

I started working for the Navy at an installation in Warminster PA.  The
experience with emacs David describes certainly happened on the base where
I worked.  The secretaries weren't told what they were doing was
programming so they developed and shared their own macros and as a result
of that, emacs became a legend on the base.  User services knew never to
disturb the emacs on the assistant technical director's computer or they
would get hurt.  The assistant technical director was number 3 in the
hierarchy on the base's org chart.  Above that position was the technical
director and above the technical director was the Admiral in command of
the base.



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