Re: kernel 2.4.* vs 2.6.* and ATAPI dvd question
On Friday 30 December 2005 09:24, Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thursday, 29 December 2005 at 22:12:26 -0700, Jules Dubois wrote: [...] SCSI emulation is not required in v2.6. I keep reading this, but xcdroast and so on still complain every time that I should use SCSI emulation even though the kernel is 2.6.x. I haven't used xcdroast, so I can't say. Does it work without SCSI emulation? K3b gives me warnings about permissions on the cdrecord binaries, but I've discovered that I don't need to pay any attention. IIRC, there was some change in kernel 2.8.1 that caused the K3b developers to add the helpful warning; I think this was changed back in some subsequent kernel version. Is some other adjustment or setting needed instead? Does xcdroast use cdrecord to actually write the disks? cdrecord has and still has some useless messages about unresolved issues in Linux 2.5, which now represent nothing more than a bad attitude on the part of its developer. There were no issues and there are no issues. To the author's credit, cdrecord is still an excellent program. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.4.* vs 2.6.* and ATAPI dvd question
On Thursday 29 December 2005 20:56, Chinook [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For current stable kernel 2.4.27 it gives instructions on how to setup an ATAPI CD-RW/DVD+-RW recorder on Debian. Trouble is they include lilo and I'm using grub. Then below it says (I think) that such is not needed with kernel 2.6.* and explains undoing the previous steps for 2.4.* In the instructions for LILO and 2.4 you will see a kernel parameter for SCSI emulation for the writer(s). You can add the same parameter to GRUB if you need it. What I get out of this is that maybe I should upgrade to kernel 2.6.* ??? SCSI emulation is not required in v2.6. Whether you use GRUB or LILO, you don't need the emulation parameter. If you have it and you upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6, remove it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude and apt-listbugs
On Monday 28 November 2005 00:49, Lubos Vrbka [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 1) it should be possible to view any of the bugs (to see whether they are related to the version i want to upgrade to). help indicates, that writing down the number of the bug should be enough: [...] however writing down the bug number in any form doesn't display anything. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ 2) is it possible to tell aptitude not to install only packages affected by the bugs, but continue to install the other? If thereare one or more packages I don't want to install, I press 'N'. Then I start aptitude with no parameters, select the package, and (1) forbid installation of that version by pressing 'F'; or (2) hold the package by pressing '='. Repeat as desired. if i do Y on the prompt, it seems to install everything. if i do N, then the whole procedure stops... At that prompt, I think it's all or nothing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: highpoint raiddriver hpt374 compiling. Someone has experience?
[HTML snipped] On Wednesday 09 November 2005 04:42, pascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I did, but no driver. Use 2.6.14 I built my kernel from Debian's linux-source-2.6.14 package with the following options among others. (I build the HPT 374 driver into the kernel, not as a module.) Device Drivers ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support Use IDE/ATA-2 DISK support Use multi-mode by default PCI IDE chipset support Generic PCI bus-master DMA support Use PCI DMA by default when available HPT36X/37X chipset support The three ATA drives attached to the HTP 374 channels work properly -- I don't use RAID. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc-4 : am I the only one having problems?
On Thursday 10 November 2005 19:40, Mike Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Since my testing system updated to gcc-4, I can no longer build a kernel (the debian way). Doing make oldconfig or make xconfig gives errors almost immediately and won't build. What version of gcc do you have? (gcc --version) Here's one way. Find these lines in the top-level Makefile: HOSTCC = gcc HOSTCXX = g++ Change them to match your compiler version. For example, HOSTCC = gcc-3.3 HOSTCXX = g++-3.3 I think 'update-alternatives' can be used to change the gcc link to something other than gcc-4.0. As it's been a very long day at the IDE, the details escape me and I don't seem to have any other version installed at the moment. Another problem when it becomes necessary to re-install the NVIDIA driver. Won't build. Sorry, I don't know anything about closed-source drivers. Just curious if I need to do something other than roll back to gcc-3.3 to build a new kernel. The Debian 2.6.14 source configures and compiles cleanly with gcc 4.0. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: highpoint raiddriver hpt374 compiling. Someone has experience?
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 19:48, pascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Does someone have any experience in compiling the hpt374 driver for recent 2.6 kernel? To compile the HPT code, just 'make config' (or its equivalent) and enable the driver. In any case, the HPT 374 is not a hardware RAID controller. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best cheap sound card
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 09:01, Bob Hynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello, I'm researching sound cards. I'd like to get something cheap (under $50) that Debian will probably support with no problem. My first inclination is always sound blaster, but any ideas? I bought a SoundBlaster Live Value at CompUSA for $20. I couldn't get ALSA to work under kernel 2.4, but OSS worked. I've had no problem with kernel 2.6. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emacs - Undefined color
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 13:49, Iain Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 21:11 -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: emacs --debug-init Still the same output, Undefined color: black and nothing else. How about: $ which emacs /usr/bin/emacs $ file /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/emacs: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/emacs' $ file /etc/alternatives/emacs /etc/alternatives/emacs: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/emacs21-x' $ file /usr/bin/emacs21-x /usr/bin/emacs21-x: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped (You may or may not be using the X-version of emacs (emacs21-x).) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Emacs - Undefined color
On Monday 24 October 2005 19:30, Iain Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a problem with Emacs. After installing it, it wouldn't start so I tried starting it from bash but it keeps reporting Undefined color: black and dumping me back to bash. emacs --debug-init I'm assuming Emacs can't find /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt to get the color names. I've checked and its a link to /etc/X11/rgb.txt (which exists and seems to be OK with the correct permissions) 21:07:55 ~ $ grep black /usr/lib/X11/rgb.txt 0 0 0 black If this is the problem how do I tell Emacs how to find this file? I've tried adding it to PATH which didn't work. Try comp.emacs if you don't get your answer here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help: udev rule for usb stick
On Thursday 20 October 2005 11:35, Matteo Semplice
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Thanks for your reply (and all the others, which kindly pointed out docs
on the web that sadly already sit on my machine but had already given no
help)
...
udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda)
I'm in a bit over my head again.
How about (all on one line):
BUS==scsi SYSFS{model}==.2 SYSFS{vendor}=linux.so NAME=%k
SYMLINK=usbstick
I'm surprised at the vendor and model. The Apple iPod identifies itself
with Apple and iPod.
BUS=usb, SYSFS{idVendor}=10d6, SYMLINK=usbstick
The
BUS=usb
is supposed to be
BUS==usb
Previous versions of udev allowed '=' where '==' should have been used. I
think I read a message on the hotplug mailing list that indicated correct
usage was now being enforced. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: help: udev rule for usb stick
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 17:56, Matteo Semplice [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi everybody, is anyone willing to suggest an udev rule to SYMLINK my usb stick to something like /dev/usbpen? I know that the web is full of suggestions on how to do it, but I can't get it to work for me! When I plug it in, it gets recognized by the scsi emulation and assigned to /dev/sda, but I've been trying in vane to write an udev rule to catch this device and symlink it to something else. A simple rule, which will fail if the pen ever gets a name other than /dev/sda, is KERNEL==sda SYMLINK=usbpen What does udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda) say? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PyKDE
On Saturday 08 October 2005 11:45, anoop aryal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Friday 07 October 2005 10:42 pm, Jules Dubois wrote: On Friday 07 October 2005 12:23, anoop aryal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: whatever happened to PyKDE? i see python-qt3 but no pykde. The presence in Debian of 'python-qt3' might lead one to generalize on package-name conventions and deduce that there might exist another package named 'python-kde3'. indeed. but upon such a generalization one quickly realizes that 'aptitude install python-kde3 aptitude show python-kde3' reveals that it is not a real package. and one is left wondering what the hell happened to it. Although I couldn't be bothered to try it before, I see python-kde3 is a dependency package. `aptitude install python-kde3` tells me: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed E: Unable to resolve some dependencies! ... The following packages have unmet dependencies: python-kde3: Depends: python2.3-kde3 but it is not installable I'm sorry for the attitude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jikes RVM
On Saturday 08 October 2005 19:30, Jeffrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: One of my Friend wants to do a project as a feature enhancement on Jikes RVM (http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net) can you all suggest a feature enhancement ? No. The only thing I know about JRVM is that a friend of mine is trying to repair Merlin. You or he should subscribe to the Jikes RVM mailing list and ask there. It's also gated through gmane.org but I don't know if that's a bidirectional gateway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PyKDE
On Friday 07 October 2005 12:23, anoop aryal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: whatever happened to PyKDE? i see python-qt3 but no pykde. The presence in Debian of 'python-qt3' might lead one to generalize on package-name conventions and deduce that there might exist another package named 'python-kde3'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iPodder wont start
On Saturday 01 October 2005 20:36, Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: OK. I do get the following: basement:/usr/bin# iPodder Traceback (most recent call last): File iPodderGui.py, line 22, in ? import wx ImportError: No module named wx However, this does not help me. Is there anyone out there who can help? In Sid, the Debian 'ipodder' package depends on 'python-wxgtk2.6'. Did you install ipodder from a Debian package and do you have the Python wxWidgets bindings? TIA You might also try 'gtkpod'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get: how to remove old config files?
On Sunday 02 October 2005 09:37, Stefan Salewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To remove old config files reinstallation of the packed and subsequent removing with option --purge should work. Is there a better way? In addition to the other suggestions you've received, you can use Synaptic to display packages with residual configuration -- I think that's what it's called -- and use it to purge the configuration files. I do this every once in a while, but is it good or necessary to do so? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iPodder wont start
On Sunday 02 October 2005 13:36, Roger Creasy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Yes, I installed the Debian package. Just to be sure, you ran 'apt-get install ipodder' or the equivalent? I do not have 'python-wxgtk2.6' in my available list. I am running Sarge,; I mentioned Sid specifically because I don't run Sarge. I tried Sid and my system crashed... What does tried Sid and my system crashed mean, specifically? I installed 'ipodder' from the Sid archives and it runs just fine (although it won't run as root on my computer). It looks to me like 'ipodder' is just a bittorrent client without any iPod interface; the You Rock! introduction suggests subscribing to the ipodder-dev mailing lists. Have you tried that and/or checking the Debian bug-tracking system? If you just want to use bittorrent, wouldn't some other bittorrent client be just as good if ipodder doesn't work for you. so, I am afraid to add testing packaages, unless I must. I installed 'gtkpod' but it does not seem to have the ability to manage podccasts. What does manage podcasts mean? In spite of the overused, non-descriptive buzzword syndrome, a podcast is just an audio file. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 4ol 4rt files:
On Friday 23 September 2005 21:55, Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Friday 23 September 2005 07:57 pm, John Hasler wrote: Paul Johnson writes: So why do you do it? It's the first followup that starts a thread, after all. Read the subject line. Do you see anything odd about it? Yes, but my point is, you're asking people to *not* do exactly what you're doing. Then there's the comically ironic explanation as to why you shouldn't followup to what you're following up to... Then there's the comically ironic failure to notice that 4ol 4rt will not generate any Google hits for the clueless. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt or Aptitude
On Thursday 22 September 2005 19:27, Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Okay, lately I've been thinking about Aptitude. Why is it that dist-upgrade with aptitude shows stuff to be done, while apt does not? Can anybody explain whats going on? Search the debian-user or Google archives. It's not like this subject hasn't been covered dozens of times in the past. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No Starch Press releases _The Debian System_ by Martin Krafft
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Media contact: Patricia Witkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 415.863.9900 x303 NEW BOOK EXPLAINS DEBIAN STRUCTURE AND PHILOSOPHY Insights into Debian project and operating system shed light on its growing appeal September 15, 2005, San Francisco - Despite its reputation as an operating system exclusively for professionals and hardcore computer hobbyists, the Debian GNU/Linux distribution is gaining popularity rapidly, thanks to its open development cycle and strict quality control. Witness the headlines generated by Debian-based Linux distros like Knoppix, Ubuntu, and Xandros. The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques (No Starch Press, September '05), which includes Volume One of the official release DVD set, is a must-have for UNIX and Linux administrators who want to delve deeper into Debian's unique philosophy and structure. Written by Martin F. Krafft, an experienced developer and a faithful Debian supporter since 1997, The Debian System is intended for those who want to understand and get more out of their Debian installation(s) - both Linux/UNIX admins switching to Debian and existing Debian users alike. Co-published with Open Source Press of Munich, Germany, The Debian System gives readers a peek into the experience level and sophistication that have shaped the various system components and shows why this system's pure elegance makes it a desirable choice of many. Krafft introduces the system's concepts and analyzes the techniques that comprise the Debian Way of system administration and explains why Debian developers have chosen certain approaches to development that differ from other Linux distributions. Debian is a robust distribution with a fascinating community; there is no source of under-the-hood information like 'The Debian System,' said Bill Pollock, founder of No Starch Press. This book is perfect for anyone running Debian or any Debian-based distro, or those simply curious about how this Linux distribution has evolved. Bypassing discussion of Linux tools, graphical desktop environments, server software or user programs, The Debian System is a perfect complement to the standard Linux references. ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Martin F. Krafft has been a faithful supporter of Debian since 1997, working as a developer and a PR person, and fielding user questions on mailing lists. He has administered mid-sized networks and is responsible for numerous university servers and a 40-node cluster of Debian machines. Krafft is currently working on his Ph.D. at the Artificial Intelligence Laboratory of the University of Zurich. The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin F. Krafft September 2005, 608 pp., DVD-ROM, $44.95, ISBN 1-593270-69-0 Available at fine bookstores everywhere, from www.oreilly.com/nostarch, or directly from No Starch Press (www.nostarch.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 800.420.7240). ABOUT NO STARCH PRESS: Founded in 1994, No Starch Press is one of the few remaining independent computer book publishers. We publish the finest in geek entertainment - unique books on technology, with a focus on Open Source, security, hacking, programming, and alternative operating systems. Our titles have personality, our authors are passionate, and our books tackle topics that people care about. See www.nostarch.com for more. (And by the way, most No Starch Press books use RepKover, a lay-flat binding that won't snap shut. Geeks love it.) # # # The foregoing is a copy of this Usenet article: Subject: No Starch Press Releases The Debian System From: Kerry Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday 15 September 2005 08:00:45 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No Starch Press releases _The Debian System_ by Martin Krafft
On Thursday 15 September 2005 13:58, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:29:41PM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Media contact: Patricia Witkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 415.863.9900 x303 NEW BOOK EXPLAINS DEBIAN STRUCTURE AND PHILOSOPHY Insights into Debian project and operating system shed light on its growing appeal While appreciate the hard work that Martin has done on his book, and the general interest about it on this list, I think that advertising it like this goes against the Debian mailing list advertising policy [0]. It was clearly an advertisement by the dictionary definition. OTOH, it's not spam as I posted exactly one copy here (and nowhere else). It doesn't seem to me to be a violation of Debian policy, which I've just read for the first time; if it is a violation, I apologize. I don't mean to imply that Martin had anything to with this, simply that there are lists for announcement of commercial products related to Debian. I was the only one involved. I don't know Mr Krafft and I'm not in any way involved with the book, its publisher(s), distributor(s), etc. I saw the announcement, as I indicated, on comp.os.linux.announce and copied it verbatim to this mailing list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: log rotation parsing
On Sunday 11 September 2005 02:36, Brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greetings, I wish, when the mail.log is rotated, that it is first grep'ed for the string reject and the results of that grep to be mailed to a specific user. man logrotate ? postrotate/endscript The lines between postrotate and endscript (both of which must appear on lines by themselves) are executed after the log file is rotated. These directives may only appear inside a log file definition. See also prerotate. prerotate/endscript The lines between prerotate and endscript (both of which must appear on lines by themselves) are executed before the log file is rotated and only if the log will actually be rotated. These directives may only appear inside a log file definition. See also postrotate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting XEN running in a computer installed with Debian Sarge
On Saturday 10 September 2005 15:13, Mark Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a computer already installed with Debian Sarge. I wish to - install XEN kernel into the computer Have you read the Xen User Manual? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/documentation.html - get a XEN-patched Debian kernel so that it can be run in XEN In Sid, there are three packages which look interesting, 'kernel-patch-xen', 'xen' and 'xen-docs'. - boot into the XEN kernel - then run XEN-enabled Debian Sarge or other Linux systems Yes. What should I do to meet the above objectives? 1) Read the documentation from the U Cambridge web stie. 2) Search Google. 3a) Subscribe to the Xen user's mailing list; or 3b) Go to gmane.org, read the instructions for accessing their NNTP server, and then subscribe to gmane.comp.emulators.xen.user. 4) Experiment. 5) Report your methods and results here so the rest of us may be illuminated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debconf
On Friday 26 August 2005 19:50, David R. Litwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Did you have your sudo pre-configured? I configured it myself manually -- after an RTFM or two. Mine does not work; my user was not a sudoer. When I went to add david ALL=ALL (so I don't need to type the pass-word every time), I gave myself only limited permissions. it now says $ sudo apt-get update sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0666, should be 0440. Is there some thing else I can do to rectify this problem? So: $ su - # chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers # exit If UGO all have write permissions, there's no security except through limited obscurity. Perhaps allow the root to access the X server? I didn't; for X applications, I use gksu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-listbugs fails to find listed bugs
On Friday 19 August 2005 16:08, H. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Since for the past quite a few days, when I upgrade my Testing based machine running 2.6.11, apt-listbugs cannot find any bugs. I've been seeing this for several weeks; apt-listbugs just (sort-of) hangs and eventually terminates gracelessly. v0.0.48 does it occasionally and v0.0.49 does it more often. I only use it as an aptitude add-on, and I haven't seen all the symptoms you describe. Is this just me or is something wrong with the tool and others are also experiencing this? Yesterday, it worked seven or eight times and then failed six times in a row. As a workaround, I just run it over and over -- yesterday's five retries was the worst luck I've had. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pulling out the new EPOX EP-8VTAI motherboard
On Thursday 18 August 2005 09:49, Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is for info in case anybody googles for this motherboard, by chance. It's not very good information, except that you have what appear to be hardware problems. What you said was insufficient to diagnose the defect but you assigned blame anyway. Who knows whether it is the CPU, the mobo or the memory, not a clue. Raise the voltage on the memory by 0.05V. It fixed those problems for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Thursday 04 August 2005 20:37, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Jules Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Aug 03 20:04 -0500]:
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 14:24, Jules Dubois
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've skimmed some official documents and some Apple developer
documents,
[snip]
Sorry to follow-up to my own message, but ignore the original please.
What do we ignore?
The message I half-finished writing and accidentally sent, the one that
mentions Apple developer documents. I discovered that the only
interesting parts of Apple's stuff is extracted from the official USB docs.
I sent another message like it but with real information.
I've been watching this thread with interest. So
far I've not tried udev and I'm wondering if it's worth it.
I think it's worth it, but I use only a small fraction of its capabilities.
When I first installed it, I didn't do any sort of configuration. I didn't
see any difference in how my system worked, until I looked in /dev where
the dozens (hundreds?) of device nodes I don't use were gone.
I've since created a few rules which while handy and pretty are nothing to
get excited about. The OP wants to do the kind of thing for which udev is
designed. I use keys like SYSFS{vendor} and these don't meet Uwe's
requirements. However, I don't understand enough about USB or kernel
internals to do more than take an insufficiently educated guess about how
to proceed.
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Re: gnulib ?
On Thursday 04 August 2005 20:19, Lance Hoffmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I am trying to compile PSPP from CVS and it says something If you checked Gnulib out in a directory named `gnulib' at the same level as PSPP, then this is sufficient. Otherwise, provide the location of GNULIB on the `make' command line: make -f Smake GNULIB=/gnulib/base/directory/name Where od I find this library? On Debian Sid, aptitude install gnulib will get you gnulib v0.0.20050203-1. I don't know about original source, Debian source, or Sarge or Etch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Friday 05 August 2005 06:03, Nate Bargmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Jules Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005 Aug 05 01:15 -0500]: When I first installed it, I didn't do any sort of configuration. I didn't see any difference in how my system worked, until I looked in /dev where the dozens (hundreds?) of device nodes I don't use were gone. Well, that should restore some inodes back to the system at the very least. /dev is mounted as a tmpfs filesystem with transient inodes. With older versions of udev, I think the original /dev directory was moved to /.dev,and so it still used some inodes on /. With udev 0.65, /.dev is gone and I don't know if it's just moved. I don't like comparing Debian and Windows, but here is an experience from yesterday. I have an IBM T42 at work without a 3.5 floppy drive, of course. Since more of these things are showing up, we decided it might be wise to get a USB floppy. We got it yesterday, new in the box. I plugged it into the T42 which runs XP, of course, and the OS picked it right up, assigned it as drive A, and I went right to formatting a disk in it and copying a file. Didn't even need the driver CD. That's a good indication that it should (or could) work the same on Linux. The fact you didn't need a driver CD may be evidence that Windows XP relies on a built-in database to identify USB mass-storage drive types. My experience with XP is limited; the first time I attached an Apple iPod to an XP system, it wanted a driver. Right now I have some custom Hotplug scripts for my Jump Drive and my camera. They are a kludge, but they get the job done. Where are hotplug scripts on a Debian system? Maybe I could locate a clue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 18:07, Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:37:36 -0600, Jules Dubois wrote
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=NEC USB UF000x, NAME=%k,
SYMLINK=usb-floppy
BUS=usb, SYSFS{manufacturer}=KINGSTON ,
SYSFS{product}=DATA TRAVELER, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usbhd%n
Though, as you pointed out (and I had pointed out in the first post): I am
not interested to recognise this particular NEC floppy or a Kingston
thumb drive.
I read and/or skimmed parts of the USB mass storage class (MSC)
specification [1], and my interpretation is that MSC specs do not directly
distinguish between device types (i.e., HDD, FDD, thumb drive, etc.).
rather, they specify things like interfaces, the sort of thing a driver
needs to know; they're all mass-storage devices.
Since it looks like an interesting problem, I'll look into it further,
if you like.
Yes, please, for sure !
Here is a set of rules, based on bInterfaceProtocol and CBI, which may
work with the two devices above. If I understand correctly, it will name
all USB hard drives (thumb drives and mechanical drives) as 'usb-hd?'.
BUS=usb, DRIVER=usb-storage, SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}=0[01],
KERNEL=sd*, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usb-floppy%n
BUS=usb, DRIVER=usb-storage, SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}=50,
KERNEL=sd*, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usb-hd%n
However, the MSC [1] (p. 7) says
The USB Mass Storage Class Control/Bulk/Interrupt (CBI) Transport
specification (Protocol codes 0x00 and 0x01) is approved for use
only with full-speed floppy disk drives. CBI shall not be used in
high-speed capable devices, or in devices other than floppy disk
drives. Use of CBI for /any/ new design is discouraged.
Floppy disks which do not use CBI will be improperly named with the rules
above.
While I haven't exhausted udev's features, including RUN and RESULT, I don't
know how I'd use them. If it were me and I didn't have a large number of
devices to support, I think I'd use rules with keys like manufacturer and
product, adding new rules as I encountered new devices. It would be
tedious, but it will work.
[1] Universal Serial Bus Mass Storage Class Specification Overview.
USB Implmentors Forum.
http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/usb_msc_overview_1.2.pdf
[Note that the vermin at USB-IF have copy protected their documentation
and that I have been reduced to retyping quotations.]
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Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 18:07, Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:37:36 -0600, Jules Dubois wrote
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=NEC USB UF000x, NAME=%k,
SYMLINK=usb-floppy
BUS=usb, SYSFS{manufacturer}=KINGSTON ,
SYSFS{product}=DATA TRAVELER, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usbhd%n
Thanks, but this is exactly how far I had gone myself (whatever I posted).
Though, as you pointed out (and I had pointed out in the first post): I am
not interested to recognise this particular NEC floppy or a Kingston
thumb drive.
I've skimmed some official documents and some Apple developer documents, and
my non-expert opinion is you cannot do what you want with complete
reliability. The USB specification does not appear to support any device
type (i.e., floppy, flash drive, CD-ROM, etc.) information; what I find is
support for some device characteristics and protocols.
If it were me and I didn't have to support a large number of different
devices, I'd use rules the the ones above and add new rules as I came
across new devices.
Since it looks like an interesting problem, I'll look into it further,
if you like.
Yes, please, for sure !
Uwe
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Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 14:24, Jules Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've skimmed some official documents and some Apple developer documents, [snip] Sorry to follow-up to my own message, but ignore the original please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 04:13, Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:52:46 -0600, Jules Dubois wrote:
Mount your devices as you've done previously, so that they're sda1 and
sdi1. Then run
udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda)
[udevinfo output]
udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sdi)
[udevinfo output]
Still, I have no clue what now makes the *characteristic* difference
between USB-floppy and thumb-drive and could be coded ?
I have an incomplete idea.
You posted output for two devices, an NEC floppy and a Kingston thumb drive.
For these two specifically, try the following rules. I wrapped them by
hand and you may need to unwrap them; I copied the data items verbatim from
your udevinfo output.
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=NEC USB UF000x, NAME=%k,
SYMLINK=usb-floppy
BUS=usb, SYSFS{manufacturer}=KINGSTON ,
SYSFS{product}=DATA TRAVELER, NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usbhd%n
This should put your floppy device at /etc/usb-floppy and one (or more)
Kingston-brand thumb drive(s) at /etc/usbhd0 (and usbhd1, etc.)
It's obviously not a general solution. My guess is that a general solution
requires using the output of the section containing DRIVER=usb-storage
and I don't know nearly enough about something -- almost certainly USB --
to say more.
Since it looks like an interesting problem, I'll look into it further, if
you like.
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Re: reordering partitions?
On Monday 01 August 2005 04:58, LeVA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi! I have one ide disk, which has 5 partitions: boot [ root | home | work | swap ] | | | | | hda1 hda5 hda6 hda8 hda7 Is there a way, to change the number of those two last partitions, so the `work' would be hda7, and the `swap' would be hda8? There is a way. I've never tried and I'm not sure I remember the instructions properly. IIRC, using fdisk in expert mode, you just record the exact partitition parameters for hda7 and hda8 and then re-enter them in reverse order. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aptitude erroneously thinks many packages are unused and wants to remove them.
On Monday 01 August 2005 06:19, Clive Menzies [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On (01/08/05 12:32), Adam Funk wrote: Inspired by the advice on this group and the -s option, I'm trying out aptitude. But I'm surprised by this: followed by a long list of packages, some of which I'm running right now. How does aptitude determine this list, and what's the best way to correct it? Briefly, run aptitude in interactive mode - ie # aptitude If you press g (only once), the proposed actions will be displayed, you can then 'h' hold packages you don't want removed. I suggest, rather than using 'h' for hold, using 'm' for mark as manually installed for packages the OP is certain he wants to keep. In this way, those packages and their dependencies are both protected and upgradable. see man aptitude There's also a very nice aptitude user's guide. IIRC, the package is named aptitude-doc or aptitude-doc-en (for EN speakers). If you're running etch or sid you definitely ought to install apt-listbugs before upgrading anything. But not if he's running Sarge? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 884MB instead of 1024MB memory and HIGHMEM enabled
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Re: udev - easy setup ?
On Sunday 31 July 2005 21:15, Uwe Dippel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, and yes, I read the great source written by Dan:
http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
That's some good documentation.
Only, it is too difficult for me to understand, and I read it a few times.
I read it many times and it still took me several tries to get it working.
Though I have to consider the idea to create the device nodes as
phantastic
It's a great idea: move naming policy into user-space.
I also have to dismiss its current implementation as
'braindead', because nobody can be expected to devise rules like
Even I was able to write the few udev rules I wanted; I'm not an expert, but
I'll try to offer you some advice.
BUS=usb, KERNEL=sd*, SYSFS{product}=USB 2.0 Storage Device,
NAME=%k, SYMLINK=usbhd%n
Are you using this rule? Do you have others?
I have a notebook with USB-floppy; with udev.
When I plug the floppy, it comes up as sda1. So I put it into fstab,
otherwise it wouldn't mount. Now it mounts fine.
When you put 'sda1' into /etc/fstab, you're using the kernel's name for the
device, corresponding to the 'NAME=%k' parameter. You're finding that
the kernel's name changes at the kernel's pleasure and this isn't what you
want.
Both NAME and SYMLINK are used to names for particular devices. The rule
you quoted does two things: it creates a device node using the kernel's
name (/dev/sda1) and it creates a symbolic link to that node
(e.g., /dev/usbhd0).
When I plug a thumb-drive to the notebook, udev allocates sdi1.
The rule you quoted may be too general for your intended use. After
mounting both devices, run 'ls -l /dev/*' and look for symbolic links from
sda1 and sdi1. If they're not both udbhd? links, you should be able to use
the link names in /etc/fstab in place of the sd[ai]1 names.
If both devices have 'usbhd' names, the trick is to give the floppy drive a
specific name, such as /dev/usb_floppy, and then give thumb drives names
such as /dev/usbhd0, /dev/usbhd1, etc. You'll want to create a specific
rule for the floppy so that it doesn't get a name which
matches /dev/hdbhd*. Put the floppy rule before thumb drive rule).
I'm personally unable to work out the solution for you as I have but a
single USB device. Unless someone can provide specifics for you, reread
the section
http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#identify-keys
and, using 'udevinfo', find some key or set of keys that allow you to
identify your floppy specifically. Use that information in the
floppy-drive rule with a different SYMLINK. If you'll never connect more
than floppy, you can use something like SYMLINK=usb_floppy; similarly for
your thumb drive.
Can anyone get me closer to a solution, please?
If you find my rambling hints ineffective, do this (copied from Dan's
article):
Mount your devices as you've done previously, so that they're sda1 and sdi1.
Then run
udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda)
and
udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sdi)
and post the output here. This is where you'll find what you need for the
magical udev incantations.
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Re: Debian Sarge to Etch
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 21:53, Fred OGrady [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a small question, (as a newbe). Just how Unstable is Unstable? I'm not Paul, but here's my opinion; I've been running Sid exclusively for nearly two years. Usually, I've found it to be more than sufficiently stable and I intend to continue using it. Recently, the transition from XFree86 to X.org caused me some minor problems for several days -- consoles unreadable and a problem with the 'xv' extension resulting in blue rectangles instead of video. These problems resolved themselves in the last week or so. The current transition involving the C++ ABI is somewhat more difficult. On my system, KMail crashes at startup with the kdelibs upgrade and I've downgraded. A fix (if that's what it is) is delayed as many (or all) Qt applications are reported to be unbuildable because of the transition. If you're new to Linux or just Debian, I recommend waiting for a while before switching from Sarge to Sid (if you intend to switch). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corrupt linux-source-2.6.12
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 23:59, Jason Edson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've tried to get it a couple times but keep getting the same error. The mirror I'm using is http://debian.osuosl.org but I've tried others. I got a valid linux-source-2.6.12 package from ftp.debian.skynet.be -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.6 compile error
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 07:16, Paras pradhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i am using debian sid using kernel 2.6.11. i want to build the custom compile using make-kpkg. gcc (GCC) 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2) g++ (GCC) 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2) Try this. Edit the top-level makefile; e.g., /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/Makefile. Change: HOSTCC = gcc HOSTCXX = g++ to read: HOSTCC = gcc-3.3 HOSTCXX = g++-3.3 and run make-kpkg. It works for me. I am not an expert. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: no more upgradable sid packages for last few days
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 01:03, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: With this line or the same line with ftp protocol I have seen no new upgradeable packages for the last several days. Is that the way it is? That's the way it is here. I see there was just a developers conference which may partially explain it. That may be what's happening. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to get linux-image from linux-source-2.6.12?
On Monday 25 July 2005 23:43, Xiaoyang Gu [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have installed linux-source-2.6.12. But after compiling the source, I get a package named kernel-image-2.6.12**.deb. But in sid, kernel-image has been renamed to linux-image since 2.6.12. Then how can i get a package named linux-image** from the source? Do you actually need a package named linux-image-*.deb? The kernel-image package installs just like the custom-made kernel-image-2.6.11 and earlier packages did. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian kernel source and compiler
[edited for brevity] On Saturday 23 July 2005 15:39, Gayle Lee Fairless [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jules Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Debian kernel source packages use a new naming convention or is this new package a vanilla kernel (or something else)? The linux-source-* is the new convention because hurd will be a future choice [...] Should I use GCC 4.0 for compiling the kernel (and ignore the warnings) or continue to use GCC 3.3? It appears that you should use gcc 3.3 for 2.6.12. For those who might be interested, I built a Custom kernel from the new linux-source-2.6.12, using GCC 3.3, a slightly modified kernel Makefile, and make-kpkg. It builds properly, installs properly, and works properly. If I understood the comments, gcc 4.0 will be used for later versions (probably starting with 2.6.13). I'll cross that bridge when it comes to me. Thank you for your assistance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cahnging debian version
On Sunday 24 July 2005 12:15, Paolo Pantaleo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I read on Debian Reference how you can update a debian installation along the path: stable-testing-unstable 1) can i do it? Yes. Before you do, read about security update policies for 'testing'. 2) how can i do it? 1) Edit /etc/apt/sources.list change sarge (or stable) to etch (testing); 2) Run aptitude update 3) Run aptitude upgrade 4) Run aptitude dist-upgrade Note: Substitute 'apt-get' for 'aptitude' if desired. Season to taste. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian kernel source and compiler
I'm running Sid -- up-to-date except for a small number of held and broken packages -- and have two questions about kernel source and compiling. 1) I have previously gotten, built, and used Debian's kernel source packages, such as kernel-source-2.6.10 and kernel-source-2.6.11. In the last few days, aptitude shows a new source package, linux-source-2.6.12. It is the only (non-virtual) package whose name begins with 'linux-source'. Do the Debian kernel source packages use a new naming convention or is this new package a vanilla kernel (or something else)? 2) GCC 4.0 is now the default compiler series. When I run 'make menuconfig' or 'make-kpkg kernel_image', I get a large number of warnings -- these warnings are not generated by GCC 3.3, so I have modified the top-level kernel Makefile to use gcc-3.3 and g++-3.3. Should I use GCC 4.0 for compiling the kernel (and ignore the warnings) or continue to use GCC 3.3? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 to X.Org: Console colors change
On Saturday 23 July 2005 10:54, Adam Aube [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Adam Aube wrote: After switching from XFree86 to X.Org on Sid recently, I discovered that everytime I used Ctrl+Alt+F[n] to switch between the console and X, the background and text color on the console change to some random color. The latest version of the X.Org packages (6.8.2.dfsg.1-4) corrects this problem, and also the issue (which I didn't mention before) of the screen area of the console shrinking while X.Org is running. I had an additional problem where (the fonts of?) the text console were corrupted, resulting in working but unreadable consoles. The colors and glyphs displayed changed from time to time following some pattern I was unable to discern. Concurring with your statement, the latest x.org updates (as of July 23) fixed all these problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude
On Friday 22 July 2005 10:47, Edward Dunagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i tried to post this before subscribing to the list. You don't need to subscribe in order to post. when i run aptitude update i get a response that tells me that 78 files are to be removed. lots of gnome and libs. (i use kde) but i see one or two of the listed files that are to be removed, as files that i use and need. Start aptitude, find the package you want to keep, and press 'm' (not 'M') to tell aptitude the package was manually installed (i.e., not to be removed simply because it's unused). This will work unless the packages are being removed due to unsatisfied dependencies. can anyone explain whats going on here? Aptitude, unless instructed otherwise, will remove automatically installed after all the manually installed packages which depend on it are removed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Sarge to Etch
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Re: VMware
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Re: What's wrong with debian?
On Saturday 16 July 2005 21:18, John Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well you can use sarge, seems stable enough, however no security. Thats a major issue in my mind. Could you explain that in newbie-ease? Sure. I seem to be getting updates for sarge from security.debain.org. You are getting security updates for sarge. Why do you say no security? It's some sort of mistake. I elected to stay with sarge as it went stable FOR the security updates. That's certainly a reasonable decision. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg in sid
On Thursday 14 July 2005 21:39, Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 01:48:38PM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote: Obstinate trolls lacking the ability to learn or even RTFM. something stupid it does is obviously a troll You certainly are a dedicated troll. and its maintainer is obviously a god for his Barbie-like but dependency You're a childish wanker to boot, whose sole purpose in life is whining about a computer program. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.6.11 and udev
On Friday 15 July 2005 07:26, H. S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How come udev package has been upgraded in Sid without any warning that 2.6.12 is required for the new version? The package description says requires a kernel not older than 2.6.12. We upgraded a Sid machine running 2.6.11 and got new version of udev with no dependency indication that 2.6.12 is required. Users of unstable are more likely than users of stable to be running kernels built from the official (non-Debian) sources, which is not the sort of package dependency APT handles. We upgraded a Sid machine running 2.6.11 and got new version of udev with no dependency indication that 2.6.12 is required. You can downgrade to udev 0.056-3, and put udev 0.062-4 on hold for the present. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg in sid
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Re: Tables Next to Figures
On Wednesday 13 July 2005 12:27, Adam Siade [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew how to place a table next to a figure in a LaTeX document. Try http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: building 2.6.x kernel on Athlon
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 15:36, linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was wondering if anybody has successfully built a 2.6.x kernel on an Athlon chip? Yes, I built one from Debian's 2.6.11-7 sources about three weeks ago, on and for my Athlon. Since that time, a GCC upgrade has made GCC 4.0 the default compiler -- the symlink in /usr/bin is dated July 9. fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd --revision=whatEver kernel_images Please: This is an invalid command line for make-kpkg. Providing the exact command which fails may be essential to diagnosis. pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'use_config' differ in signedness Providing the exact and complete set of error messages may be essential to diagnosis. There are a large number of warnings which appear early in the make-kpkg process. They're generated by GCC 4.0, but not GCC 3.3. I changed these lines in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11/Makefile HOSTCC = gcc HOSTCXX = g++ to read HOSTCC = gcc-3.3 HOSTCXX = g++-3.3 I configured the kernel to include Multi-Tech multiport card support (EXPERIMENTAL), and then ran make-kpkg kernel_image and the initial warnings went away. CC [M] drivers/char/isicom.o drivers/char/isicom.c:154: error: array type has incomplete element type drivers/char/isicom.c:155: error: array type has incomplete element type make[3]: *** [drivers/char/isicom.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [drivers/char] Error 2 make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11' make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 The error message above don't go away. Line 154 references a type, 'isi_board', which doesn't appear to be defined anywhere. Both GCC 3.3 and GCC 4.0 stop on this error; if I'm correct that isi_board isn't defined, it's obviously an unrecoverable failure. Any ideas on what I've done wrong? Sorry, no. Near the top of drivers/char/isicom.c, there is a message: * To use this driver you also need the support package. You * can find this in RPM format on * ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/alan Have you tried this? (I have no clue what's in the package.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie selecting package manager
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:42, Elmer E. Dow [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm leaning toward using apt (and maybe occasionally using Synaptic) rather then Aptitude. ITYM: apt-get. apt-get (and its cohorts), Synaptic, and aptitude are all based on the Advanced Package Tool, a/k/a APT. Given my use, shouldn't the simplicity of apt be adequate over the long haul? apt-get is a very good tool. Synaptic is a very good tool and has a nicer user interface. aptitude is a very good tool; it's doesn't have the nice GUI of Synaptic but it's more powerful. Also, it can be used like apt-get from the command line. Is using deborphan and -- purge just as effective as Aptitude's cleaning methods? I ran deborphan for the first time yesterday. It found some packages I didn't need and I purged them with aptitude. aptitude didn't think the packages were unused because I had installed them manually. No tool does everything. If so, then what's Aptitude's advantage? You might install the aptitude-doc package and read about all the magical things aptitude can do. Or is this just a matter of preference? Yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
On Thursday 07 July 2005 10:57, Meistro Master [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is GNUstep still a useful platform; Yes. is it popular? Not really. I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( I don't know about the history of the libraries, window manager, etc., but here's an announcement from July 3: Window Maker 0.92.0 is available for download from http://windowmaker.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sid: latest upgrade broke kmail
On Thursday 07 July 2005 12:14, Martin Henne [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I upgraded my sid today and kmail crashes when started. The debugger says, there's a segfault in QString in libqt-mt.so.3 [...] Does anyone else have this problem? Yes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317098 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 20:14, Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It just occurred to me that using the U command from within the aptitude UI does the same thing as dist-upgrade. From the aptitude user's guide: Actions-Mark Upgradable (U) flags every package which can be upgraded for upgrade, except for packages that are held back or would be upgraded to a forbidden version. True? Sounds like it (but I've never tried it). Neither the aptitude online help nor the manual provided light. Install the aptitude-doc-en package if you don't have it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude incompatible with synaptic?
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 10:09, Matthias Kaeppler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Looks like those two programs don't really know what each other is doing. apt-get and Synaptic (and probably dselect, which I haven't used) don't know about aptitude's automatically/manually installed package status. Does that mean I'm stuck to one apt frontend in Debian, once I have started using it? (1) You can disable aptitude's desire to remove unused packages. (2) You can mark, with aptitude, the packages you manually installed with Synaptic (or apt-get) as being manually installed. You're not stuck but switching to and from aptitude is more work than switching between apt-get and Synaptic. (I took option (2) and now use only aptitude.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 16:38, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think Jules' message above is pretty clear and straightforward. I suppose some of the ramifications of this choice might not be immediately clear though. His comments are, I believe, correct but notable incomplete and somewhat rambling. _Usually_ dist-upgrade is what you want, especially in unstable where lots of dependency info, etc. is changing around. The problem with dist-upgrade in unstable (or testing) is that SOMETIMES, if the packages are laid out just right (or wrong), dist-upgrade will decide that in order to bring your system as up-to-date as possible is has to remove large swaths of packages, because of versioning conflicts. IIRC, with some KDE or GNOME update, I guessed that they only way to perform the update was to allow aptitude to remove several tens of megabytes of packages and then re-install the updated versions. With one or the other, the update was not immediately complete and I ran aptitude from a text console waiting for the update to complete. In general, I do it like this (I use either testing or unstable most of the time): * Run dist-upgrade. Check to make sure the resulting changes look OK. If so, accept them. * If not, then I do one of: (a) install a particular package or set of packages that I particularly want/need, OR (b) Try upgrade and see if it does a better job, OR (c) Give up and wait a few days for the repository to become consistent. This is advice worth quoting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 12:43, Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How does one know when to use dist-upgrade? That's a good question, one which I can't really answer. I switched to aptitude without bothering to read any documentation. Since then, I've been constructing a theory of operation based on observation of how aptitude works. It's only about two weeks ago that I read the aptitude user's guide; of course, some of my theory turned out to be wrong. Is there an announcement email somewhere? I'm not aware of such. Does aptitude give some sort of a sign (that I'm missing)? I think I noticed the difference between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' when I saw that some packages aptitude listed as upgradable weren't upgraded with 'aptitude upgrade'. Is this something that you just run regularly? Yes, but it's not something I really thought about until I started reading this thread. I (sort of) just knew when to use 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade'. If this is something you run regularly on unstable, then I suppose one should also run it regularly on testing. Right? I don't know remember much about testing. I switched to unstable after reading a thread about why running testing wasn't a good idea. In that case, I should probably run it on my testing systems, eh? Here's my guess at an example: If and when Debian switches from XFree86 to X.org and these changes reach testing, at least some of the packages will conflict with each other. It's at that point where upgrade will not install X.org because it will require removal of the conflicting XFree86 packages. (This will be a relatively major change and not representative of day-to-day package maintenance.) Since I had never run dist-upgrade during the entire sarge lifecycle, this should be interesting... You can perform a simple test now. (1) If you're an apt-get user: Make sure your system up-to-date with 'apt-get update apt-get upgrade'. Then, run 'apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade' and see if it wants to do install and/or remove anything. (2) If you're an aptitude user: Make sure your system up-to-date with 'aptitude update aptitude upgrade'. Then, as an unprivileged user, run 'aptitude' and press the 'g' key and see if it wants to do install and/or remove anything. Don't continue if you don't like the result; aptitude won't continue without the root password anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for Mentor
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 17:26, Tom Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've been sitting on the list for a while now and am interested in creating a series of deb packages for perl modules. But I think I need a mentor to introduce me to how things work and what my first reading list or RTFM should be. How about reading one or more of these? Developers' manuals * Debian Policy Manual * Debian Developer's Reference * Debian New Maintainers' Guide * dpkg Internals Manual * Debian Menu System * Introduction to i18n found at http://www.debian.org/doc/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Saturday 02 July 2005 09:40, Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jules Dubois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're misinterpreting what 'dist-upgrade' does. If I am, you haven't answered my original question ;-). Your original statement implied it was it was not useful to use the 'dist-upgrade' command when you're not upgrading distributions. My answer was: man apt-get man aptitude Both of these man pages describe the difference between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade'. Which is, Why would you want to use dist-upgrade when you're not switching distributions? I'm curious. I feel like answering RTFM again, but you've been reasonable and polite. Thank you for your courtesy. 'apt-get upgrade' is restricted (and therefore safer) in that: under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed. This isn't sufficient for 'unstable', as both of the package-state changes above are required regularly. 'aptitude upgrade' works slightly differently but is still similarly limited. So, instead of 'upgrade', users of 'unstable' and 'testing' must use (1) 'dist-upgrade'; or, for manual upgrades, (2) 'install package-name' for some package upgrades (or forego those upgrades if they so desire). I think that 'stable' never requires it, except, as the name 'dist-upgrade' suggests, in the case of of upgrading to a new release (such as from Woody to Sarge) -- it's been several years since I ran 'stable' (Potato), and perhaps I don't remember correctly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-get and aptitude man pages
On Sunday 03 July 2005 17:09, R. Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
That may be true for apt-get (the apt-get man page entries for upgrade
and dist-upgrade mention nothing about installation state), but it
doesn't seem to be true for aptitude [...]
It is true.
[...] where the man page suggests that
upgrade may change an unused package state from installed to
not-installed:
Installed packages will not be removed unless they are unused
Today's update (July 3) has two new packages, libjack0.100.0-{0,dev}. These
conflict with libjack0.80.0-dev. If I execute 'aptitude upgrade', the new
libjack packages are not installed and the existing packages are not
removed. If I execute 'aptitude dist-upgrade', the opposite is true.
These existing packages are described by aptitude as unused but actually
the dev packages are in conflict. Does unused mean the same thing as
conflict? I think there's an overgeneralization of the word unused.
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Re: Apt-get and aptitude man pages (was aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?)
On Sunday 03 July 2005 12:14, R. Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I feel like answering RTFM again, but you've been reasonable and polite. Thank you for your courtesy. 'apt-get upgrade' is restricted (and therefore safer) in that: under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, Neither the apt-get nor the aptitude man page make that distinction (which is not to say it's wrong, just that you can't learn it by RingTFM). It's a direct quote from 'man apt-get'; it says that the action of 'upgrade' is restricted in that it will not under [any] circumstances install new packages or remove existing packages. Allowing a package manager to removing packages at its discretion is simply not as safe. I always verify the proposed action(s) of 'aptitude dist-upgrade' before permitting it to continue; on occasion, as a set of related packages makes its way into 'unstable', aptitude may want to remove some packages I use because their dependencies are not currently satisfied. In my experience, the situation is always resolved after some (unspecified) period of time -- I think the upgrade to KDE 3.3 took a matter of weeks. The point is that the result of using 'dist-upgrade' on 'unstable' blindly may be unsatisfactory to the user. This is what I meant when I said 'upgrade' is safer. It may be that dist-upgrade smartly resolves conflicts by removing currently installed packages, but the man page doesn't explicitly indicate that. As you point out, the apt-get and aptitude man pages do not say this. However, it's easily verified that 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade' may well remove existing packages and/or install new packages to resolve dependencies. By adding the -s (or --simulate) switch, you may verify this without actually making any changes. The aptitude man page doesn't, except for the synopsis, mention dist-upgrade at all. It does not, but the behavior is easily verified. As an aside, the apt-get and aptitude man pages describe different behaviors for upgrade. For apt-get, upgrade has the non-removal behavior described above. For aptitude, the upgrade behavior is Installed packages will not be removed unless they are unused. As I said, the behavior of 'apt-get' and 'aptitude', while similar, are not identical. This is on a debian testing system, upgraded once a week. Perhaps, then, you'll take the time to verify that what I said is a correct description of the behavior of apt-get and aptitude. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to startx at boot time
On Sunday 03 July 2005 22:07, Khanh Cao Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I' tried change the run level in /etc/inittab to 5 but my PC did not boot in X at boot time . Ofcause I've install all gnome and x windows and could startx by hand . Did you install 'gdm'? (Or 'kdm' or 'xdm'?) How should I do ? What does ls -l /etc/rc?.d/S??[gkx]dm say? This command will list symbolic links to (what should be) the display manager init script. I get: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13 Jan 13 22:13 /etc/rc5.d/S99kdm - ../init.d/kdm* (I have configured my system so that X (kdm) is the started only in runlevel 5. This is not the Debian default.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Friday 01 July 2005 17:03, Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jason Edson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just did a dist-upgrade on my unstable box Why would you want to use dist-upgrade on unstable? man apt-get man aptitude You aren't changing distributions. You're misinterpreting what 'dist-upgrade' does. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aptitude synaptic gnome to be removed?
On Tuesday 28 June 2005 06:40, Jason Edson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I just did a dist-upgrade on my unstable box and for some reason apt wanted to remove gnome, synaptic, aptitude and I think one other. Has any one else had this problem [...] Yes. [...] or can someone tell me the reason why? The new apt (and apt-utils) are v0.6.38. Some packages, including but not limited to apt-file apt-listchanges apt-rdepends apt-show-versions aptitude libapt-pkg-perl python-apt synaptic depend in some way on v0.5.something. Put 'apt' and 'apt-utils' on hold to prevent the packages above from being removed -- I don't have the 'gnome' meta-package installed, so I don't know about it. Then, we wait for the rest to catch up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A little debian-user ml help..
On Saturday 25 June 2005 18:13, Mr Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My isp doesn't provide news server and reading/managing debian-* lists in evolution is killing me... I really need to switch to a news reader so I can ignore/follow threads and all that good stuff... See http://gmane.org/ for a free NNTP service. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .aptitude/config and Automatic Cache Deletion
On Tuesday 21 June 2005 07:03, Kenneth Jacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 'Autoclean' doesn't seem to be quite what I used in the past. autoclean: remove obsolete packages from the cache. clean: remove all packages from the cache. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages.debian.org down? (June 14 2005)
On Tuesday 14 June 2005 09:22, Fernando Cacciola [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Are there alternative mirrors? (trying the get kdevelop3) http://www.debian.org/mirror/list If you install and use the 'netselect-apt' package, it will time transmissions to the various mirrors and select the best one for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: synaptic, aptitude and dselect etc. (myref: rl3b26may)
On Thursday 26 May 2005 09:07, rich lott [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've long favoured the synaptic package manager because it's easy to search the packages, and it's clear what's going to be installed (dependencies etc) and easy to select packages. That's also my experience with Synaptic, although I find it just as easy to select packages with aptitude. However, I had to use aptitude and dselect (yuk) recently on another system and noticed that they would REMOVE packages which were only installed in order to satisfy dependencies, when I removed the package which required them. aptitude doesn't require that you remove these packages but it will do so by default. I don't know about dselect as I haven't used it in years. This seems like a genious thing to do, and synaptic doesn't seem to bother, which means as I install and uninstall stuff a lot of unnecessary packages are left behind. Neither Synaptic nor apt-get has this behavior. Debian users don't all agree on which is the best policy. Am I correct or am I missing something? I think you're correct. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please, stop mail massive
On Tuesday 17 May 2005 17:38, Ian Cottrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Is it possible to subscribe to the list, yet no receive it via e-mail? Not exactly; subscribing means email. I'd much prefer to read it via Usenet, but if I'm not subscribed, I can't post. See: http://gmane.org They'll give you readonly access without signing up; just use their news server. The 'debian-user' mailing list is gated between the mailing list and NNTP as 'gmane.linux.debian.user', and they offer a large number of other mailing lists. They'll let you post articles only after they confirm your email address and they use rate limiting to help deter spammers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: erased iPod software
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:58:21 +0200, George Iordanou wrote: Unfortunately the ipod won't start since i erased its software. Any ideas how to restore it? The drive's filesystem may be toast but the firmware is intact. I think the iPod manual-ettes come with instructions to reset the device. If not, the iPod weenies web site, http://www.ipodlounge.com, certainly has the information somewhere. (Annoying Advertisement Alert: the site uses numerous animated GIFs and Flash animations.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting from KMail
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:01:39 -0600, Michael Satterwhite wrote: Does anyone know of a tool to convert from mdir to mbox format? KMail? Create an (mbox) mail folder in KMail and copy all the messages from your maildir message folder into it. Copy the resulting mbox file to a place where your new application (e.g., Thunderbird) can find it. It's tedious but simple. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trackball Problems
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:59:43 -0500, tech wrote: I have just installed Debian testing. I have a Logitech Trackman Wheel Trackball. As a trackball it works fine. But I can't seem to get the wheel to work. Any help would be appretiated. In this section of your X11 configuration file: Section InputDevice Identifier Default Mouse Check for these lines: Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons true Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 They work for a Trackman Marble Plus trackball. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hardlinks to remote directories
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 04:46:46 +0200, ocl wrote: I am trying to create a hardlink to a remote directory but it gets rejected Hard links must be on the same filesystem as the target. Hard links to directories are (almost certainly) rejected. What am I doing wrong? You can't do that. If you need a link, use a symbolic (soft) link. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eclipse install
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:06:05 -0800, Eric Gaumer wrote: Runs fine here on Sid. I also compiled a PPC/GTK version that works fine on my PPC. In fact the version I built has more features than the x86 version I downloaded. Windows users report that there are numerous nice features which are simply not enabled by default. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: eclipse install
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:56:38 +0100, Eduard Pauna wrote: Did somebody succeded in running eclipse on debian? Yes: Eclispe 3.0M8, 3.0M9, and 3.0 work for me. I haven't tried 3.1. I got the eclipse-platform-SDK-3.0-linux-gtk.zip package, unzip it and when I run eclipse I obtain this error The Eclipse executable launcher was unable to locate its companion startup.jar file (in the same directory as the executable). but startup.jar is in the same directory... Try typing 'which eclipse' from the command line to see where the eclipse executable launcher is. Is that the directory with startup.jar? I created a script to start Eclipse so I wouldn't have to add it to PATH. /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse -data ~/workspace -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is life with 'udev' good?
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:21:16 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2004-11-20 at 01:57 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: in udev.rules I have: BUS=usb , KERNEL=sd?1,SYSFS_serial=07381C501259, NAME=usbkey I then can: mount /dev/usbkey /mnt/usbkey or some other magic for automounting. Ok. Where does the SYSFS_serial come from? This tutorial http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php provides some useful examples of obtaining the magical SYSFS values using the 'udevinfo' program. And are you missing a closing parenthesis on SYSFS_serial? Yes, if by closing parenthesis you mean quotation mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is life with 'udev' good?
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:55:42 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 19:32 -0700, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Don't know about a general concensus but I'm quite happy with udev's operation and having consistent device names for my USB and Firewire devices. What kind of names? Can you give some examples? When I insert a pen drive, for example, /var/log/syslog says that it is /dev/sdc1 instead of something devfs-like /dev/usb/port01/drive01/part01. The purpose of udev is to allow selection of names by the user (adminstrator). What kind of names? Without going into much detail, because I'm lazy and no expert, the choice is mostly yours. The /dev/sdc1 reflects the kernel's name for your device. It's quite simple to tell udev to create additional names, through symbolic links, for this device; examples might be the devfs name you provided and/or /dev/pendrive. If you have more than one such drive, you might choose /dev/pendrive1 and/or /dev/pendrive2 and/or /dev/brandname-pendrive, and you get the same name every time the drive(s) is (are) connected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is life with 'udev' good?
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:41:32 -0500, Williams, Allen wrote: What did you have to do to get it to work with the nvidia driver? Apparently -- I don't buy closed hardware -- udev is not able to create the device nodes needed by X quickly enough to satisfy the NVidia server. So, as others have pointed out, it should be loaded through /etc/modules, and the race condition is avoided. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where are config questions in install of latest sarge, and other questions...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:50:38 -0500, Williams, Allen wrote: 2. My desktop went from KDE to Gnome. Is this normal? Where do I set the default desktop? When you boot, do you get a graphical login screen? Is there a session icon or menu item? If there is, you should be able to choose a KDE session. 3. This machine is to be used primarily for software development. Any opinions on which desktop is best for that? You don't provide information to help answer that question. If you're using *emacs (or *vi*) and a command-line compiler, it doesn't really matter -- except that one of the lightweight window managers, as opposed to heavyweight desktops, might leave you more available RAM. What tools do you use? 4. I can't log in to the X desktop as root. Where do I fix that? It's a security feature. If you're using GDM, there's a configuration option at the login screen to enable you to log in as root. And now, I guess I'm off to learn about gnome... About a year ago, before I learned about selecting a session at the login screen, I did exactly the same thing. I just switched back to KDE (3.3.1), and I'm finding I like it just a little better than GNOME (2.6). I'm going to try GNOME 2.8 from unstable Real Soon Now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is life with 'udev' good?
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:43:31 -0500, Christian Convey wrote: Is there a general concensus about whether udev makes life better or worse? udev is, conceptually, a much better naming scheme than is devfs. This purported goodness comes at a price: udev is not able to do directly some of the things that devfs could do. In Linux kernel 2.6, devfs is deprecated in favor of udev. This indicates some consensus, if only among kernel developers, that udev makes life better. In my opinion, udev is The Right Idea. I didn't need it when I first installed it, but I've since taken the time to get my DVD-ROM drive working and have purchased a USB storage device. udev makes it quite easy to manage names, groups, and permissions for these devices. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is life with 'udev' good?
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:19:06 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 21:29 -0800, Steven Yap wrote:
BUS=scsi, SYSFS{vendor}=Zynet*,SYSFS{model}=USB Storage-CFC*,
NAME{all_partitions}=compact_flash
Where does this go? /etc/udev/udev.rules?
It could, but I think it's better not to modify the rules file from the
Debian distribution as it may make future upgrades more difficult.
I've been putting my rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules. Because
this file's name precedes udev.rules lexically, it's processed first.
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Re: Java
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:12:07 -0500, Tom Allison wrote: I also am not sure what I'm supposed to do with Sun's packages. Download one into a good parent directory. chmod u+x on the file. execute it. Add its bin directory to your path. Too bad they don't have enough sense to put deb's out there. According to Jonathan Schwartz, there are only three operating systems left for Intel: Windows, Sun Orion, and RedHat. Don't hold your breath waiting for intelligence from Sun management. How do I get java working? Follow the instructions at Sun's web site. They work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?] recreating lost iPod database
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:11:22 -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote: i just ended up restoring the thing How unfortunate. i tried using ephpod on a windows machine to restore the database, but when i did, it would prompt me for each mp3 as it was stored in the It could have used some mangling of the track name in the ID3 tags, but I guess yours are gone. from all of this poking around, it looks like the id3 tags of the mp3s i'm putting on the 'pod are stripped and stored in a database. when this database goes, the mp3s themselves appear to have no info, so the thing is useless. does anyone know if this is off-base? It's not completely correct. The files on my iPod have the ID3 tags I put there. gtkpod will rewrite the ID3 tags of the original files if you modify the tags with gtkpod and you've configured it to do so. That caused me problems, so I disabled it. I ran a few tests when I first started using it, and I don't recall gtkpod ever simply removing tags. gtkpod seems to know the location of the source files it uses, but when I tried extracting MP3 files from the iPod, it didn't put the files back in their original locations. It used the track information -- from its database? from the iPod? -- for the file-system names. i can't find a reasonable explanation of how the iPod's directory structure and database work, which is frustrating. There's a perfectly reasonable and authoritative explanation available in the source code. (I haven't even looked at it.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: playing cds
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:22:15 -0600, Chad Davis wrote: Can you get things like system sounds and perhaps Ogg to work? Did CD audio (or all audio) work at one time and then break? Kernel 2.6.9, custom built. snd46052 10 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixe r_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi Using Gnome 2.8. I have tried muiltiple cd players including xmms.. In XMMS' Options-Preferences-[Audio I/O Plugins] tab, what is selected for [Output Plugin]? If you're running ESD under GNOME, you probably don't want to use the ALSA plugin; if you see ALSA listed, try eSound. Do you have some CDDA plugin? I see that one of my [Input plugins] is AudioCD Reader 0.14a [libcdread.so] and it's configured to read /dev/cdrom. I know my CD-ROM drive isn't connected to my sound card, but I can play audio CDs. I'm not sure any of this explains why other players wouldn't work, but maybe it's worth a shot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: playing cds
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:59:49 -0600, Chad Davis wrote: So the conclusion to this is it's a alsa bug that I can not play audio cds? I don't think anything was concluded either way. (I was being pedantic about some CMI chip not being a VIA chip. We concluded, I think, two or three of us, that we don't like on-board audio due to the quality of the sound.) It seems I have all my audio volumes up, still no audio. See the questions (and excuse) below. The audio cable is connected (as it works fine in windows(tm)). This is good information. I have tried various cd players... I've lost the original article(s) and I'm not an expert at Linux audio but: * What kernel version are you using? Debian package or custom built? * What is the output of 'lsmod' with emphasis on sound-like modules? * Do use use GNOME or KDE? Something else? No X-GUI at all? * Which CD-player applications have you tried? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackdown
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:10:03 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: VSJ escribió: Read these instructions: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php to build you own up to date Debian Java packages. So we would find a single step package that would install Java in Debian and in the browsers at the same time. Is the object of this discussion to make it easier for all Debian novices to install a JRE or for you to install a JRE? If it's only you, it's not difficult to install Sun's (free but not Free) JREs. (I don't really remember how to install (or activate or whatever) a Java browser plug-in but I it wasn't difficult with Mozilla.) Where can I find it (easy for neophyte, this is one single apt-get install package). For you or for everyone? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: playing cds
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 04:05:10 -0600, Chad Davis wrote: I too have not been able to play audio cds with alsa. I have not tried with OSS however. Neither ALSA nor OSS are CD players. What application are you trying to use? What happens when you try to use it? Where have you told this application to send its output? Is your CD connected to the motherboard/card or not? Have you checked the ALSA mixer setting for the CD input? Are you able to get any sound out of your VIA chip at all? My sound card is: :00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) Do you have the ALSA driver for the VT8233/35/37? Is it loaded? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackdown
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:44:52 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: I cannot apt-get blackdown JRE. The program says: report the problem to solve it. What is the actual error message? I do so. This is basically a mailing list for discussions by users; your message, although lacking essential detail(s), is certainly on-topic here. However, you (technically) haven't reported the problem. I want to download and install this wonderfull environment now. Perhaps it is wonderful. I'm forced to use a Sun JRE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: playing cds
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:09:08 +0100, Andrea Vettorello wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 04:05:10 -0600, Chad Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sound card is: :00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) I've one of this, it's quality is abysmal low, IMHO the the culprit is the C-Media Electronics CMI9739 The VIA 8233/35/37 is not a CMI chip. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alsa won't work unless i kill esd
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:01:19 +0800, ms linux wrote: sorry for another trivial question about alsa. i use sid 2.4.27 and gnome for desktop. recently if i want xmms play my mp3s, i have to kill esd first :-( Try opening the XMMS preferences and at the bottom of the Audio I/O Plugins tab, where it says Output Plugin, select eSound Output Plugin. seem that alsa and esd use the same resource ESD is using ALSA. ALSA is using /dev/dsp, so XMMS can't also use it directly. Tell XMMS to use ESD and then all your GNOME applications can share. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alsaconf
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:47:37 +0100, Andrea Vettorello wrote: On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 02:29:34 -0500, Rick Pasotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get gnome window sounds and xmms plays mp3 files so I do have sound. What I ultimately want to get working is gnomemeeting and evidently I need alsa for that. Gnome play sound on window action via ESound (esd), maybe gnomemeeting has an option to use esd as audio device. ESD (and aRts and probably others) is merely an interface between application-level software and sound drivers like ESD and aRts. Gnomemeeting v1.0.2-5 in fact does require ESD, provided by libesd0 or libesd-alsa0. (The OP didn't say which version of gnomemeeting.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackdown
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:07:11 +, Pedro M (Morphix User) wrote: But I like blackdown, becuase making an apt-get install, it installs automatically in Mozilla (in a similar way to Macromedia Flash Debian Package ). I think that's what the 'java-package' package is designed to do: Make a Debian package from Blackdown or Sun JRE. I would like a similar easy solution for newbbies for Java (Java is very used in the Internet ). How about Kaffe? It's Free and already packaged, it seems. And similar for Adobe Acrobat ( I cannot print o click in the links in gxpdf :'-( If you really need Acrobat Reader, add somthing like deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to /etc/apt/sources.list. This repository isn't official but it works and has some otherwise-unavailable packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Get directories names
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:09:51 -0500, Tong wrote: I used to use the following command/alias to get the names under the current directory in RH: ls -l criteria | grep ^d | cut -c57- find . -type d -name criteria -print but in Debian, the position of the file name is not fixed. Using 'ls', if the directory is large, the position of the filename will be shifted to the right. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alsa Problem
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 23:20:11 -0800, mamas wrote: I installed Debian testing (2.4.27-1-386) with all of its Alsa packages (apt-get install...) so, afaik, I should get full support of my audio card (Terratec EWX24/96 i.e. ice1712). It looks like you have a pre-built kernel package, which I never used. Does it support ALSA? Do you have the module(s) for that particular card? During boot the card gets well detected (Detecting Harware) but then, when Starting Alsa comes out, I can see an error message stating no soundcard found. I've been getting that message for weeks (under 2.6.x), but I have the proper sound modules and sound works properly. If, as root, I use alsaconf I get the message No supported PnP or PCI card found. I'd say this indicates a lack of the proper driver module. If you have the module(s), can you load them with modprobe? But using lspci I get (amongs the rest): :02:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH: Unknown device 1130 The PCI driver in the kernel finds the device and recognizes it. To make use of it, you need the ALSA (or, alternatively, OSS) module(s). Any ideas? See which ALSA module is required for your soundcard. If you don't have it (them), configure ALSA (--with-cards= or something like that). Build and install the required module. If you do have the it (them), load them manually or through /etc/modules. I use, for ALSA under kernel 2.6: snd-emu10k1 snd-emu10k1-synth Or, do something similar for OSS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alsaconf
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 02:29:34 -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: I have installed libasound1, alsa-base, alsa-utils. When I run alsaconf it says it can't find any PCI sound cards even though I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1371) that is detected on startup. I get gnome window sounds and xmms plays mp3 files so I do have sound. Check the configuration of one or more of these applications and see where they send their output. They may not be using ALSA. What else do I need to do to get alsa functional? Perhaps you're using OSS and need to switch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
