Re: Troubleshooting My PPP
> If you really wanted to get cute, maybe you could have just one > lilo.conf: symlink /etc/lilo.conf to point to /boot/lilo.conf. Does > anyone else do this, or are there problems with this I haven't thought > out? Well, that's what I have: just the one Corel lilo.conf. I installed the other two distros with a floppy boot so that they wouldn't mess with the MBR. The Corel LILO gives me a menu that lets me select which distro to start. But I still need to know how large to make my replacement boot partition below 1024 cyl. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Re: Can Separate Partitions Interfere?
> > Would it be possible to replace in the lilo.conf above: > 1) /dev/hda2 by /dev/hdb1 and > 2) /dev/hda3 by /dev/hdb2, > because I plan to install the 2 others distribitions on a > second disk? > The first 2 partitions of /dev/hdb are of course below the 1024 > cylinders limit? You bet! I didn't do anything special to get Mandrake running on my hdb. I still have to get Debian's boot partition below 1024 for it to run. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Troubleshooting My PPP
How embarrassing! My PPP problems had nothing to do with PPP! They were caused by my ignorant use of lilo in booting my three Linux distributions. I'm not sure exactly what was going on, but I was having a kernel running a filesystem for which it was not designed. After I edited lilo.conf correctly, I was able to get online with Mandrake immediately. The holdup with Debian is that lilo told me that Debian's boot partition was beyond cylinder 1024! I think I have some space closer to the beginning that I can use instead for the boot partition. My thought is to create the partition with Partition Magic (which I feel comfortable using), copy the contents of the present boot partition to the new one, and then edit lilo.conf to reflect the change. Does the above sound workable? How large does the boot partition need to be to hold things? -- Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Can Separate Partitions Interfere?
That may not be the best way to phrase the Subject, but my problems with ppp with both Debian and Mandrake suggest this possibility to me. On my system I have three Linux installations: Corel, Debian, and Mandrake. The latter two will not connect me to the Internet, and the basic complaint is that ppp support is not included in the kernel. I did not say "no" to anything that looked like it might something to do with this, and in fact, with my latest Mandrake install, I took the Install Everything option. So is it possible that these Linuxes are interfering with each other in some way? The boot process certainly looks like the three are independent, and the X interface is unique to each. However, I do see in the Mandrake boot (dmesg stuff) repeated errors that say /boot/System.map has incorrect kernel version." -- Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Re: Thank you, Corel, for PPP]
I'm back! I've had another go a ppp in Debian slink. Jonathan Chang wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, George Bonser wrote: > > Try: > > > > echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps That didn't work for me. > > Turn off all ppp header compression. I couldn't figure out how to do that. > I've discussed this ppp problem with others on this list before. And it > looks like this problem occurs only when using PCMCIA modems from my > experience. My modem is an external USR Courier V.Everything that works fine in Corel Linux, Win NT, and Win 98. At John Hasler's suggestion, I ran plog, and it said, "This system lacks kernel support for ppp." I hope you won't get mad at me for saying this, but I'm trying to accomplish the same thing, so far unsuccessfully, in Mandrake 6.1. I'm getting the same basic error messages: kernel has no ppp support. What makes it interesting in Mandrake is that last night I reinstalled with the "Install Everything" option, some 1600M of stuff. When Mandrake boots, there are a lot of messages about wrong kernel version, which leads me to a more fundamental question that I think I'll put in a separate thread in case the right person is skipping this one: can one distribution interfere with another? -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Troubleshooting My PPP
I tried the command George Bonser suggested: echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps but that had no effect. He also suggested turning off all ppp header compression, but I could not find where that is specified. Does the /etc/ppp/options file get read before each dialup, or only once for each login? I tried some editing of the file, but nothing I did made any difference. Here is a copy of the options file without any comments: asyncmap 0 auth crtscts lock modem mru 542 proxyarp lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4 noipx Are any of the other files in /etc/ppp important? Keith Murphy mentioned modem init strings. Kppp in Corel Linux uses only ATZ, but I see that wvdial, which I'm using in Debian, has the following strings: Init1 = ATZ Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 S11=55 +FCLASS=0 Well, I hope the above suggests something, or that you can provide me with some other tests or how I can get information that may be useful. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Re: Re[2]: Thank you, Corel, for PPP
On 22 Feb 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I know it can be turned off generally, but the problem was I want it on > most of the time, and kill -9 doesn\'t kill it. The other thing > I liked about wvdial is its generation of a pretty decent init string. Control-C always killed it for me. -- Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Linux...
Re[2]: Thank you, Corel, for PPP
Keith wrote: > I have seen several postings on this list about your problem, but never > any response when asked (by John Hasler) for details. Maybe you go > offline with "gurus" with your problem, but I suspect you'd be better > served, if you are sincerely interested in getting Debian to do this, if > you persisted with the list and offered us some details like: logs; type > of modem; dialup strings that Debian (and Corel) are using. And what's > your provider; maybe someone else has that one and knows the pitfalls. > Hit-and-run won't get it; it only frustrates everybody. Well, I am sincere about wanting Debian to do the job for me. You are correct that some folks, including John Hasler, asked me for details privately. I agree that it would be better to do the whole thing on the list in case others have suggestions or have similar problems that can be solved by the interchange. I reported what I had seen in my earlier messages (pon does nothing and says nothing; wvdial seems to log on OK, but then dies with an Error #1). I had run pppconfig. But you've mentioned some information above that I did not supply, and I'll try to provide that in a later message. > I noticed that under Debian you used wvdial. I've never used that; only > pppconfig and pon. That should do a perfectly good chat script for > you. Have you considered starting afresh and getting wvdial out of the > act? Sure, I'm open to anything. The attraction of wvdial was that it provides a running report of what it's doing, so I thought it would be better for diagosis. wvdial has worked well under Corel Linux, too. I'll report back on the modem strings... well, if they're different, I'll change Debian's so that it's the same as Corel's. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Re: Apt-get Confusion
Ron Rademaker said: > I've done it a few times and never had any real trouble, once it did > delete a few packages I actually wanted to keep, but afterwards I just > reinstalled them and all was fine. I did it, and now I'm in trouble. One of the packages it removed was kde-corel. That's no big loss except that it took kdm, which worked well, and kppp, which gets me online. xdm works poorly for a number of reasons. icewm won't get me back to an X logon screen so that I can switch root/user. Something sometimes grabs the CPU. And just like with my "real" Debian installation, my Corel Linux system will no longer go online, either with pon or wvdial, after I configured them. The errors are the same ones I kept getting with Debian, even after a lot of help from Debian gurus. I'm having to use Win98 to send this message. :-( I guess I'll go back in, and see if I can get kde-corel reinstalled from the CD. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Re: Apt-get Confusion
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Ron Rademaker wrote: > Have you tried 'apt-get -f install', I've had similar problems also and > apt-get -f install solves most... Is that safe? I seem to recall doing that once some time ago, and it mangled my system. It would still run, but I recall an awful lot of stuff got changed. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Apt-get Confusion
According to the apt-get man page: install install is followed by one or more packages desired for installation. Each package is a package name, not a fully qualified filename (for instance, in a Debian GNU/Linux system, ldso would be the argument provided, not ldso_1.9.6-2.deb). All packages required by the package(s) specified for installa tion will also be retrieved and installed. I must be doing something wrong, because the last sentence above is not true for me. All apt-get does is tell me what's missing: CorelLinux:/home/llester# apt-get install ripple Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Sorry, ripple is already the newest version You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: ripple: Depends: libaudiofile0 but it is not installed Depends: libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.16) but it is not installed Depends: libggi2 (> 1:1.99.2.0b2.1) but it is not installed Depends: libgii0 (> 1:0.6) but it is not installed Depends: libsdl1.0 but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). I did run apt-get update before the above. The above example is not unique; I almost always get the same kind of report. And when I try to install the missing items, there's always something wrong with that: incomplete filename, wrong filename, etc. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
How to apt-get gnome
Is there a single command to apt-get that will fetch all of the latest gnome basic system packages? -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Re: Newbie made a boo boo surprise surprise
On 20 Feb 2000, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Suggestion: wipe your install, install a base system, add packages > a > few at a time, and get used to your system. You'll have a much > better > understanding, and a much more stable system, this way. I'm a Linux fairly-newbie, and your advice surprises me. My conclusion thus far with a little experience with Red Hat, Corel Linux, and Debian is that the only road to happiness in Linux is to install every blasted library you can think of, and then maybe you can start to install new stuff without dependencies stopping your every effort. But maybe with apt-get that isn't necessary, although my few attempts to use that system have not been very successful. I do the apt-get update and then apt-get install [package], and then it proceeds to tell me why it didn't do what I asked it to. OTOH, my only experience with real Debian has been with the CD that came with the Learning Debian book, and I'm not sure that CD is OK. I mean, what kind of Linux distro would come without ppp support... and in spite of following all kinds of guru advice, I was never able to get that system online. When potato becomes stable (or however you say that), I'm going to give Debian another look, and I hope apt-get will actually do for me what it does for others: not only install the requested packages, but also fetch any dependencies. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Unidentified subject!
With my current installation of Corel Linux, I am getting more segmentation faults, and they are with programs that did not have this problem with my previous install (Adobe Acrobat, for one). I don't see "segmentation" in the indices of the Running Linux or Learning Debian/GNU Linux books. Is there a solution? -- Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Re: Installation problem
kanupriya wrote: > "The system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the > PPP kernel module is not loaded or because the kernel is not > configured for PPP. Sea the README.linux file in ppp-2.3.5 > distribution." Did you, by any chance, install the Debian CD that came with McCarty's book? I wonder because I did, and I get the same error when I run pon. This happened with two installs, first with the Dialup (!) package and secondly with a manual selection of stuff. I've decided to blame the CD, since gobs of gurus have been unable to get me online with Debian. A suggestion to recompile the kernel before you can get online with a distribution seems extreme, if you don't mind my saying so. I'm planning to get Debian from another source and try it. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Re[2]: Newbie's experience Installing Debian
David wrote: > I decided not to use the CD, figuring that if they got that > wrong, the rest was not likely to be OK either. I borrowed a Cheap > Bytes Slink CD at work. I wonder if this would explain the very silly situation that I cannot get online with an install from that CD. I've decided to give up on Debian until potato goes stable (or however you say that). And in case, you missed my earlier whines, I have had all kinds of good advice about solving my ppp problem. Nothing works, neither wvdial nor pon will stay online after the first few seconds. > The book is for newbies only. It is very good for newbies, but it > provided few answers to questions I had. As somewhat of a newbie, it was helpful. But I thought it was pretty thin for the price. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Re: First Kernel Recompile
Shaul Karl said: > I would try to install everything that is recommended by the kernel-package > package. In fact, have you installed kernel-package? Yes, I have. How do you find out what is recommended by the k-p package? Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Library Names
I was =sure= I installed every library I was likely to need, but I can't even get nedit to run. It says it's missing libm.so.5 and of course, apt-get says there's no such package as libm. I sometimes suspect that's one of the Linux Standards: no library file can have a name that's even similar to the package that contains it. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
pam needed for ppp?
I've never been able to connect to the Internet with Debian Linux, even though I don't have that problem with Corel Linux. Another message leads me to ask this question: Is the pam stuff needed for ppp (pon and wvdial) to work? If so, what do I tell apt-get in order to install what's missing? (I installed a Dialup package my first install, and yesterday I left pam out of my package-by-package install.) Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
10 gig Drives W/O EZDrive?
I have EZDrive installed in order to have full access to my two 10-gig drives. I've found a way to run Win NT without EZDrive, but I'm wondering whether Linux (and Win 98, for that matter) needs it to access the drives fully. Do you know? If it's possible, how does one remove EZDrive without trashing everything on the drive? Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
First Kernel Recompile
I did a fair amount of reading and asking first, but now I've tried my first kernel recompile. make xconfig wouldn't work, and it seemed to be because it couldn't find the tk stuff. make config worked OK, but make dep wouldn't, and it seemed to be because it couldn't find the standard C headers, such as stdio.h. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Re: Check This Out!
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, David Wiard wrote: > exactly what software do you install that automatically emails everyone > in an address book advertising DSL service? It's probably the software that the Free DSL service provides. It generates ads on your screen in return for the free service. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
RE: Based On
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Robert Ruzbacky wrote: > Yes, > > Corel has apparently based their flavour of linux on debian as well!! Yes, indeed. -- Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Dialup Doesn't Dialup
Having enjoyed some of the features of Corel Linux, I decided that I wanted to try the "real thing." I bought McCarty's book and installed the CD. A number of packaged installs were offered, and I selected Dialup, both for dialup and the X graphics emphasis. Imagine my dismay when I couldn't dialup! Since installing, I have fiddled with granting permissions, joining groups, commenting "auth" out of options, and I've lost count about what else. But when I run wvdial, everything goes fine until it looks like I've logged on to my ISP (username and password accepted), and then it says something like "PPP (D?) died (error 1)." Can you help me start getting where I want to be with Debian? -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to be with Corel Linux
Newbie Lookin' for Libraries
Before I do much of anything with my new Debian Linux, I need to get my favorite editor, nedit, going. I installed it, but when I tried to execute it, I was told that libXpm.so.4 was missing. Apt-get said there was no libXpm, and I didn't see anything like that on the Debian CD. When I tried to start Northern Captain, a file manager I enjoy using, it seemed to miss libc6.1-1.so.2. Apt-get said that my libc6 was the newest. I enjoyed xscreensaver in Corel Linux, but when I execute it in Debian Linux, it says: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Error: Can't open display: 0.0 The above was while I was logged on as root. Not a library question, but a couple of times, alien has reported, "822-date did not return a valid result." However, the process seemed to be successful. Is there a problem? Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Permission Needed to Use ttyS1?
When I tried wvdial for the first time (it was set up for me during the Dialup installation), it said, "Cannot open /dev/ttyS1: Permission denied." I know a little something about permissions, but I don't know about that one! Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Reporting RAM
What command will tell me how much RAM Debian Linux thinks I have? My BIOS, Win NT, and Win 98 all know I have 128M, but Corel Linux thinks I have only 64M. I've tried adding the mem= line to lilo.conf, but it doesn't work for me. Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
My First Debian Install
Thanks to everyone who coached me on this during my adventures following the "destruction" of the MBR. I ended up reinstalling Corel Linux, which again gave me a lilo in the MBR capable of booting either Corel Linux or Windows (actually NT's boot manager which allows me to select either NT or 98). I then installed Debian Linux to my slave drive and made its one partition (not counting the swap) bootable, but selecting "boot from floppy" to avoid screwing up the MBR. Then I booted Corel Linux, mounted the Debian Linux partition and added Debian Linux to Corel Linux's lilo menu. I now have access to all of my OSes, and even though it's not quite as convenient as a single menu to everything, I'm inclined to leave well enough alone. I might add that the Debian Linux install went very well, but only because I had been advised to buy McCarty's _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_. I followed his procedure with the exception of choosing the Basic install. I think I selected Dialup instead, because its description sounded more like me. Entering startx just generated an error which sounded like the X setup didn't get saved or something. I'm going to do some more studying of the situation before I cry for help on this. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Re: MBRs Are Dangerous Things
Thanks to all who've made suggestions. Several suggested the fix I think will work for me: add a Debian stanza to Corel's lilo.conf. I installed Debian Linux today using a boot floppy to avoid destroying the MBR again. So as soon as I figure out what to put in the stanza, I should be ready to go. Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
MBRs Are Dangerous Things
For several hours I've been without a system that would boot to any OS. My goal was to move Corel Linux's lilo from the MBR to its boot partition so that I could add Debian and control everything with Win NT's boot manager. I thought I had a procedure figured out that would work... I was wrong. I won't bore you with a procedure that didn't work; suffice it to say that I was left with a system that, at boot time, would just stream "0x01" continuously up the screen. I reinstalled Windows NT in hopes of restoring the MBR (MBR) where I figured the problem was. I hadn't used NT in so long that there would be no loss in reinstalling. But that didn't fix the problem; I still couldn't boot. So I bit the bullet and reinstalled Corel Linux from scratch, and at least now I can run both it and Win 98 again. But that leaves me once again under the domination of Corel Linux's lilo with no way to add another Linux. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Put Debian on Slave?
Can I install Debian to the slave drive rather than the master? I have Corel Linux on the master along with Win 98 and NT. I was thinking I could use Corel Linux's swap partition for Debian and just put the boot and root on the slave drive. Lane ---- Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA
Which Boot Manager?
I currently have Win 98 and NT along with Corel Linux on my system. CL's lilo lets me go with either Linux or Windows, and NT's boot manager lets me pick between 98 and NT. I just bought McCarty's _Learning Debian GUN/Linux_, and I'd like to install the Debian that came with it. Can you tell me how to manage the booting between all these guys? I installed Power Quest's Boot Magic, but after it started, my screen went black and stayed that way. I had a dickens of a time getting back to my original setup. I don't know why Boot Magic wouldn't work, although their Web site acknowledges that it can happen. I do use EZ-drive to manage the two 10-gig drives in my system. So is there an approach I can use that will manage these OSes? Preferably without having to reinstall any that are already there? Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Coming to you through Corel Linux
Re: What is apt-get
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I'm a somewhat experienced Linux newbie (if there is such a thing), so I know about apt-get. I tried to use it to get something, and it suggested that I might want to run "apt-get -f install". Trying to be open to suggestions, I told it to go ahead. Well, it decided that I shouldn't have KDE on my system any more and took it off! Luckily, since installing Corel Linux (can I still stay on this list? ), I have been collecting non-KDE apps, so I'm still in business. It evidently took some other stuff off without replacing it: Northern Captain now refuses to start because of a missing libjpeg.so.6. What would you recommend to replace the stuff that was lost? "Missing stuff" messages tend to use different names from the packages that contain those files. I just received my copy of _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_, so by next week I won't have any more questions. Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Coming to you through Corel Linux
