Re: Peoria High School
On Tue Jul 23 16:33:05 2024 debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > John Rice wrote: > >> Peoria High School was used as reference for the high school Homer >> and Marge went to. I don't remember if it was supposed to be >> Springfield High. I designed it back in '91 or '92 when I was working >> on the show. I grew up in Peoria and went to Peoria High School and >> felt that the front of the school had the perfect classic high school >> look. > > (1) You mean the school in Arizona or the one in Illinois > or some other? > > (2) What does this have to do with Debian? [Lily Tomlin (as Ernestine the telephone operator) standing in front of a mainframe console] A gracious hello. Here at the Phone Company, we handle eighty-four billion calls a year, serving everyone from presidents and kings to the scum of the earth. So, we realize that, every so often, you can’t get an operator, or for no apparent reason your phone goes out of order, or perhaps you get charged for a call you didn’t make. We don’t care! Watch this... [she hits buttons maniacally] We just lost Peoria. You see, this phone system consists of a multibillion-dollar matrix of space-age technology that is so sophisticated [she hits buttons with her elbows] even we can’t handle it. But that’s your problem, isn’t it? So, the next time you complain about your phone service, why don’t you try using two Dixie cups with a string? We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the Phone Company. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth \ /| unless you're willing to X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice. / \ if you read it the right way. |-- Dogbert the green consultant
Re: web site displays blank page
On 2024-07-18, Russell L. Harris wrote: > When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page. This is a major pet > supply web site. Other web sites display as usual without problems. > I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line. > > I have tried two different computers and both Firefox and Chromium. I > updated Debian-12. I emptied the browser cache. No change. I tried accessing it with my main browser, Seamonkey 2.53.18.2. The page briefly displayed, then blanked out. Firefox 115.7.0esr displayed the page properly. Oddly enough, I tried Seamonkey again and it worked. My copy of Seamonkey is using NoScript 5.1.9, which I often have to disable to display web pages. For what it's worth, I entered http://www.chewy.com on the address bar. On all subsequent attempts, this gets changed to https:. I'm having this problem on an increasing number of web sites; I suspect that web page building tools are becoming more and more hostile toward any browsers except for the anointed few (Edge and Chrome, plus Safari for the Mac folks). -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as \ /| the first society that wouldn't X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't / \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian
On Tue Jul 16 11:11:54 2024 jeremy ardley wrote: > On 16/7/24 19:31, Tom Browder wrote: > >> I haven't looked at VB in a long time, but I have a real need for >> a Windows host to port some Linux libraries to Windows in order to >> support the Raku language. > > Thus my question is: Has anyone use a recent version of VB to run > Windows with satisfactory results? I use it every day. Mind you, I'm running XP, but I do Windows program development on it and it runs just fine. I give it 512MB of memory, and programs run on it at least as fast as on a native Windows box. > VirtualBox is not supported on Debian 12. Huh? Nobody told that to the two machines on which I'm running VirtualBox version 7.0.14 under Debian 12.4. Maybe it's a grandfathering thing, where I slipped the Bookworm upgrade into an existing box - but I've seen no problems whatsoever. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as \ /| the first society that wouldn't X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't / \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group
On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 18:20:01 +0200, John Hasler wrote: > I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could. > Even easier might be a browser plugin. The Pan newsreader does the job nicely and is about as graphical as you'd want to get. Although I normally use slrn for Usenet, I switch to Pan when downloading from binaries groups. It knits together multi-part binaries posts (e.g. with yEnc encoding), and has a nice mechanism for queueing multiple downloads. I've probably downloaded a terabyte or two with it. http://pan.rebelbase.com -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | We'll go down in history as \ /| the first society that wouldn't X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | save itself because it wasn't / \ if you read it the right way. | cost-effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut
Re: Can't log in after Stretch to Buster upgrade
On Fri Sep 4 12:07:23 2020 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 11:09:45AM -0700, cgi...@surfnaked.ca wrote: > >> OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1010104f, you have 1010006f > >> # find . -print | grep -i ssh [output abridged] >> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-comon_ssh-agent >> /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop >> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh-gcrypt.so.4 >> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh2.so.1.0.1 >> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh-gcrypt.so.4.7.4 >> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh2.so.1 >> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gnome-keyring/devel/gkm-ssh-store-standalone.so >> /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libssh2.pc >> /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so >> /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so.1.0.1 >> /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so.1 >> /usr/local/lib/libssh2.a >> /usr/local/lib/libssh2.la >> /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh* >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssh* > > Shared libs in /usr/local/ are probably causing the issue. I suspected as much. > But it would be ssl libs, not ssh libs. Look for libssl* and get rid of them, > and then run ldconfig (as root). Damn. So close. But unfortunately too late. I've already done a fresh install, and who knows what other inconsistencies have been cleaned up. I've re-installed Seamonkey and VirtualBox (bringing them up to the latest versions), and am about to make the move from Icedove to Thunderbird. Once that's done, I'm close enough to fully operational for the time being. Thanks again, everyone. -- cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs) I tried to join Paranoids Anonymous, but they won't tell me where they hold their meetings.
Re: Can't log in after Stretch to Buster upgrade
On Fri Sep 4 08:56:44 2020 Mike Kupfer wrote: > cgi...@surfnaked.ca wrote: > >> I'll continue puttering for a few more days - maybe others will have >> some ideas. > > So were there any errors or warnings in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? Nothing there. > I'd also check for error messages in $HOME/.xsession-errors. Bingo. The last line was: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1010104f, you have 1010006f I had been seeing errors regarding openssh-server, but I saw them as a separate problem I'd get to later. It seems, though, to be preventing logins as well. I figured that removing and re-installing anything to do with SSH or SSL might kill two birds with one stone. I tried various combinations, culminating with # apt purge openssh-server openssh-client openssh-sftp-server openssl # apt install openssh-server openssh-client openssh-sftp-server openssl The install attempts invariably returned the same error message as was appearing in ~/.xsession-errors. It's as if there were old versions lying around that were interfering with the upgrade. # find . -print | grep -i ssh [output abridged] /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-comon_ssh-agent /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh-gcrypt.so.4 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh2.so.1.0.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh-gcrypt.so.4.7.4 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssh2.so.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gnome-keyring/devel/gkm-ssh-store-standalone.so /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/libssh2.pc /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so.1.0.1 /usr/local/lib/libssh2.so.1 /usr/local/lib/libssh2.a /usr/local/lib/libssh2.la /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh* /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssh* I tried moving various combinations of these modules off to a quarantine directory, but still no joy. I appreciate everyone's help, but my machine has been down for nearly a week, and I have work to do. I have wiped the root partition and installed Buster from scratch; I can log in again and /home is intact. (Having /home in its own partition is a life-saver.) The time I spend re-installing packages and re-building my setup will surely be less than what I've lost so far. Once I get my system re-built, I'm going to back up my root partition: # dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip >/mnt/backup/sda1.img.gz Then, if an attempted upgrade fails, I'll just restore the entire root partition, and live to fight another day. -- cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs) I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.
Re: Can't log in after Stretch to Buster upgrade
On Wed Sep 2 21:32:55 2020 Andy Smith wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 11:13:30AM -0700, cgi...@surfnaked.ca wrote: > >> The Buster upgrade seemed to work OK. I re-booted and got to my >> xfce login screen. But when I entered my user ID and password, >> the screen blanked for a second or so, then came back to a blank >> login screen. > > Use ctrl-alt-F3 to switch to a virtual console and attempt to log in > there, then examine your logs to see if there are any hints as to > anything that has failed to start? > > I am not an xfce user so hopefully one of them will be along shortly > to tell you which log files to look in for likely answers, but you > could start with /var/log/syslog and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Thanks - I forgot the ctl-alt-Fn trick. That makes it much easier to look at the logs than booting a CD into rescue mode. There's also some sort of problem with openssh-server which I can't resolve by removing and re-installing, but I'd just as soon leave that one until I get xfce logins working. Yes, my makefiles can still compile the programs I'm working on, but I can't bring up VirtualBox to build the Windows versions. I'll continue puttering for a few more days - maybe others will have some ideas. But if I don't get it working by next week, I'm going to wipe my root partition and install Buster from scratch. The time I'll spend re-installing the packages I use will have been well exceeded by the time I've been spending trying to fix my current broken system. -- cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Can't log in after Stretch to Buster upgrade
The scariest part of any system upgrade is that first re-boot.
Up until then, you're still running - but after that re-boot,
maybe the machine will come up, and maybe it won't.
Mine won't, and now I have to figure out how to fix it.
I found instructions on the web for upgrading Stretch to Buster,
and tried it first on my laptop, which doesn't contain that much
important data. It went well, so I applied the same process to
my main desktop machine: apply all updates to get Stretch right
up to date, change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the Buster
repositories, then do apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade.
I divide my hard drive into three partitions:
/ - 10GB (increased to 20, see below)
swap - memory size
/home - remainder of disk
I upgraded another machine about six months ago, and ran
out of disk space in the process, which I was reminded of when
it happened again with my laptop. It seems that although 10GB
used to be enough for /, this is no longer the case for Buster.
I have several games and a flight simulator installed, and /var
seems to contain a lot of stuff. I booted gparted from a CD,
shaved 10GB off /home, moved the swap partition, and gave
the extra 10GB to /, and successfully completed the upgrade.
Being concerned about high disk usage, I came across a note that
suggested removing obsolete packages with "aptitude purge ?obsolete".
This is the one difference between my laptop and desktop upgrades.
I hadn't tried it on my laptop, which upgraded successfully, but I did
try it on my desktop machine, and I suspect it might have removed
too much.
The Buster upgrade seemed to work OK. I re-booted and got to my
xfce login screen. But when I entered my user ID and password,
the screen blanked for a second or so, then came back to a blank
login screen. It's not a password problem; entering an incorrect
password gets the expected "password incorrect" prompt. I can
attempt to log in either as my normal ID or as root, but the result
is the same. Thus I can't access any logs to find out what's amiss,
and the boot messages scroll by too fast to read. (I think I saw
several copies of a message in red that says something like
"Failed to start OpenBSD Secure Shell server".) I can ping the
machine from elsewhere but can't ssh into it ("Connection refused").
This happens even if I try to boot the old kernel.
I can boot into rescue mode, and poke around that way. It seems
that my files and settings are intact - at least enough of them are
there that I'd rather not wipe the machine and start over. (I took
backups of /etc and /usr as well as /home before starting.)
Can Humpty Dumpty be put back together again? If so, where
do I start?
--
cgi...@surfnaked.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built umop-apisdn.
Re: Opening Intellicast Causes Firefox to close
Quoting "Stephen P. Molnar" : On 11/07/2017 01:50 PM, Will Mengarini wrote: * Stephen P Molnar [17-11/07=Tu 07:20 -0500]: I am running Firefox ESR 52.4.0 (64 bit) on my [up-to-date Stretch platform. When] I attempt opening Intellicast, either with Speeddial or tying the URL, Firefox crashes. This just started happening yesterday and there are no warnings or errors. I'm not aware of any bank wise enough to offer an HTML 1.0 interface that can be browsed by Lynx. Not that they aren't wise enough, but their sites wouldn't be pretty enough. Gotta have bling, y'know. I have the impression that website/browser capabilities are now far beyond being deterministic or even vaguely testable. Complexity is a weapon. (The KISS principle is a countermeasure.) When the heavy hand of government is starting to look preferable to market forces, we're in truly-late-stage capitalism. (1) I am not a crook. (2) America does not torture. (3) Don't be evil. I appreciate the replies. I'm probably going to have to change browsers, although I like the way the Firefox handles Speeddial. Have you tried Seamonkey? It's a variant that I switched to when Firefox release 29 changed its user interface in ways I didn't like. Does the job for me. And I make sure to shut it down when I'm finished surfing the web. -- char...@buygenesis.com (Charlie Gibbs)
Re: Opening Intellicast Causes Firefox to close
Quoting "Stephen P. Molnar" : On 11/07/2017 01:50 PM, Will Mengarini wrote: * Stephen P Molnar [17-11/07=Tu 07:20 -0500]: I'm not aware of any bank wise enough to offer an HTML 1.0 interface that can be browsed by Lynx. It's not that they're not wise enough, but that their web site wouldn't be pretty enough. Gotta have bling, doncha know. I have the impression that website/browser capabilities are now far beyond being deterministic or even vaguely testable. Remember, complexity is a weapon. (The KISS principle is a countermeasure.) When the heavy hand of government is starting to look preferable to market forces, we're in truly-late-stage capitalism. (1) I am not a crook. (2) America does not torture. (3) Don't be evil. I appreciate the replies. I'm probably going to have to change browsers, although I like the way the Firefox handles Speeddial. Have you tried Seamonkey? It's a variant that I switched to back when version 29 of Firefox changed its user interface in ways I didn't like. I use Seamonkey on both Linux and Windows - it gets the job done. -- char...@buygenesis.com (Charlie Gibbs)
Re: Iceweasel woes
Quoting deloptes : RRRoy BBBean wrote: Now, I have to temporarily enable between 20 and 200 domains every time I do anything. I can't imagine what the www will be like in another 10 years... indeed it changed negatively in the past 10-15y. it is now virtually impossible to find useful information - only thing helps that google adapts to your behavior and can match what you would like to find ... but after they change this and start controlling the output (like youtube did few months ago), it will be over - we'll have to start from scratch ... perhaps a new version of the dark net. Who would have thought that when Big Brother finally arrived, it would be not the government, but Google? I boycott Google as much as possible. For a search engine I use DuckDuckGo (https://duckduckgo.com), which proudly proclaims that it doesn't track you. You can get satellite views from https://zoom.earth. And so on. And when I'm not surfing the web, my browser (Seamonkey, see a previous message) is shut down. The Internet is like a big city - there are lots of bright lights and excitement, but also dark alleys down which the unwary get mugged. -- char...@buygenesis.com (Charlie Gibbs)
