Re: HTML vertical gap
Scott Ferguson Said: That's a rather complicated, and *deprecated*, way of doing what can be applied with a style element, or by just inserting a line break. :-) HTML 5 and CSS do not *depreciate* tables. It simply is a cleaner way to structure a page vs. The *everything* needs to be written in CSS approach that a lot of developers use today. HTML tables are in no way being depreciated or written off. Not everything should be in a DIV tag. And sorry for the personal reply Scott, forgot to re point the reply to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1138724976-1331595569-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995911096-@b16.c1.bise6.blackberry
Re: HTML vertical gap
Sian Mountbatten said: I have a description list which has a number of items which document values in a program. I want to group the items such that the groups are separated by a bit of vertical space. How do I do that? That is, I want a bit of vertical space in a definition list. Do I create an empty item? Or what? Not sure I follow the question, if your using something like the tag. Try putting each group in it's own list and put each list in a table cell. Doing it this way means you can use the table tags for spacing. You can define table/cell height, cellpadding, cellspacing HTML tables give you a lot of control over the display of your content. If your not familiar with HTML Tables you will want to look into align and valign too! Example: Item One Item Two Item Three Item Four Item Five Item Six
Re: GRUB failure
I have a "laptop" computer with winXP Pro, Unbuntu 8.04 and Debian 5 (I think it is 5), installed. I will also add, I am not sure which partition you had grub booting from. Ubuntu or Debian... But the version of grub that was installed is important. Debian Testing or "Wheezy" is using Grub2, I forget if Debian Stable or "Squeeze" was updated to use Grub2 before release, or what version of Grub will be on the Ubuntu system if it was your Boot Partition.. What ever the case, use a Live CD with the corresponding version of Grub otherwise it won't work... Current Knoppix uses Grub2. If your systems were up to date it is good odds they were using grub2 as well... If you mount the boot partition there will be a modules directory for grub, I forget the path though, something like /etc/grub/modules.d/ a grub1 install will have a /boot/grub/menu.lst file for sure... Grub2 removed that and went to the module directory set up. TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/915970972-1309552378-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1483050304-@b16.c1.bise6.blackberry
Re: GRUB failure
Bret Busby Ask: Hello. I have a "laptop" computer with winXP Pro, Unbuntu 8.04 and Debian 5 (I think it is 5), installed. With a recent electricity supply failure, I ran an orderly shutdown on the computer. Since that shutown, each time that I reboot the computer, it takes me to the GRUB prompt (rather than the GRUB boot menu), and I cannot boot the computer into any operating system. How do I get GRUB to configure itself, to detect the installed operating systems so the computer is usable once again? Or, has GRUB destroyed the software build of the computer, and all of the data, requiring a complete reinstallation of all of the operating systems installed on the computer? - Bret; Most likely your system is fine, just Grub is having issues finding you OS's. I have had this issue a couple times recently on my Testing install after upgrades, I figure in my case it's due to having 5 h.d.d's But more to the point. You boot and get grub> Prompt, right? I am tired so you may have to do a little research to get your commands straight, but if you boot a live distro, say a current KNOPPIX disk, it should load with GUI and all. In shell: $su #blkid (or equivalent to identify your BOOT os's hdd and partition) Mount that drive somewhere, example: /mnt/root #chroot /mnt/root #grub-install (man or --help for triggers, I forget them all, will have to at lest define drive and partition to install to, example: (hd0,1) If grub install errors out and says something about not finding /dev or somesuch you can exit out of the chroot and #exit #mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev Then #chroot /mnt/root #grub-install I have gotten the /dev error a couple times before, could have to bind /proc, /sys, or others. But in my experience only do so if grub-install complains about not being able to find that specific directory. I know this reply is kinda spliced but I'm in middle of working 24+ hours in a day and half. I waited to see if anybody else would form a clean answer, but nothing yet. so I tried. TeddyB
Re: broadcom
Steef writes: hi list, bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 hours of life. i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses). wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6) loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom- (broadcom 43xx wireless drivers) -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work. my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ? and broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for my mini_netbook (2) ? if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7. Hi Stef; My $.02... Broadcoms can be incredible cards, hardware based and I have been able to do monitor/injection with them via tools like aireplay... But, they can be very VERY finicky on Linux systems, I have had them not work, upon re-install, they work. I have had them work and all the sudden stop working, I fight the thing to the ground and wind up formatting again cursing the devices name. What I'm getting at is they are hardware based cards, and quite the reverse of the WinModem days, though I don't fully understand why, the fact that they are hardware driven cards makes them incredibly hard to maintain on Linux. ...at least this is my experience. My suggestion, pay $7 - $15 and get an Athros card, although technologically INFERIOR (software driven, equivalent to what WinModems were) they work incredibly well on Linux systems and get WORNDERFUL signal strength... Helpful at all? TeddyB
Re: Spin Off Question (was: What kernel for AMD Sempron system?)
Andrei POPESCU Said: [re-wrapped to 72 characters] - Sorry about that, I send list mails from my cell phone, very small screen, not much I can do about the text length. Otherwise thank you for the reply. Just curious, are the 32bit Libraries that can be installed upon need in a 64bit install the exact same libraries/packages as in 32bit only installs? If so are the 64bit lib's just named such to prevent conflicts, overwrites, and general confusion? Thanks; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2020568637-1307195195-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-840228970-@b16.c1.bise6.blackberry
Spin Off Question (was: What kernel for AMD Sempron system?)
Ron Johnson Said: The M2V has an AM2 socket, and all such chips are 64-bit capable, so both 2.6.39-1-686-pae and 2.6.39-1-amd64 *should* work. (I think you'd get a different error if the kernel was incompatible with the CPU.) The first thing I noticed about these two Kernels was the one is an amd64, the second is a i686-PAE which means it's a 32 bit with larger than 4GB Memory Support. My spin off question is this, can a user install a 32bit system (i686) and then choose to move to a 64bit system and perform a rolling update as such? I know that fundamentally, a 64 bit system consist of a 64bit Kernel and the core libraries (libc, gcc, etc.) Are 64bit, I am to understand that 32bit libs are present for backwards compatibility, but I'm not sure if those libraries are different from the ones in a 32bit only system. So my question boils down to if you can rolling update from 32bit to a 64bit system? If so what all would be involved? And does it boil down to being possible, but so intense as to negate the purpose, e.g. Just plain easier/better to wipe and start fresh. TeddyB
Re: Smartphone definition - Re: Poll Summary & Poll 1b - What Smartphonedo you use?
Giovanni Said: Smartphone == a hardware object which contains a programmable computer, with memory & a touch screen user interface, and also contains cell phone system connection ability, upon which potentially a properly designed Debian GNU(Linux) subdistro could run. I would interject that Blackberrys are widely considered Smartphones, in fact really being the first of the bread, but only one Blackberry Model contained a touch screen interface... Really doubt they could support debian, but really I don't see debian running on any of them in the near future... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1743714894-1305611853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-941321896-@b18.c1.bise6.blackberry
Re: Poll Summary & Poll 1b - What Smartphone do you use?
Miles Bader ask: What defines a "smartphone" anyway? -Miles --- An IQ of at least 130 pts.? TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/771755914-1305610962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-372092736-@b18.c1.bise6.blackberry
Re: Waking from the Dead
Tom Allison ask: I have some computers here that haven't been turned on for what looks like 2 years and 3 months. And so there are a few things I need refreshers on. But I'll get to those later. Right now I am not sure where all my sources are or should be. ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ has problems somewhere with the labels stable, main, contrib, non-free. is http://securty.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib still viable? - In the url you have securty instead of security... Other than that, yes that is still the URL, but... A system that old means that at the very least your running Old Stable (Lenny) if not older, so you can't just update to current stable (squeeze) without major difficulties, I would suggest a format is in order.. TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/329541705-1305391961-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1905889860-@b18.c1.bise6.blackberry
Re: So much for Skype.
Aaron Toponce said: Thanks for hijacking the thread. Next time, fork it instead, and change the subject line. Thanks, Awww, I'm just being playful, and the thread has been going in the direction of who uses what os for what; I don't think it was a hijack. But whatever, sorry for interrupting this all important topic... People being aggressive the past few days. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/190857944-1305213974-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-18055347...@bda510.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: So much for Skype.
In regards to the Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux/BSD Holy War, ...Not really on topic, but I got a chance to upgrade my Back|Track 4R2 laptops to version 5 released a couple days ago. Very Exciting, I tell you that's some Hot GNU on Linux Action there! I run Back|Track on my laptops for War Driving, Penetration, Study, & Security Auditing. I run Debian Testing on my home 3TB file server... Linux really slathers on the PwnSauce! TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385828017-1305213587-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19061886...@bda510.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself
Camaleón said: > > It's nearly impossible to infer whether the sender meant the message to > be private or not. No, it is not. I am writing to a public mailing list and I expect that any reply to any of what I wrote on it is kept the same -public- and directed to the mailing list. So as I am not the one breaking the way a mailing list works, if I receive an e-mail _just directed to me_ (and not to the list) following a thread that is taking place in a public mailing list I can proceed as I prefer. +20 Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred. Pick your battles a bit wiser. TeddyB
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself
Jeroen privately mailed a reply to my message as well, in which he completely ignored every validation to the points I made, especially the ones about helping others before you go off trying to dictate group policy... I find emailing somebody off list like this, especially after one user in the same thread already complained about it VERY rude!!! And again your complaining about spam jeroen, yours is the only spam I have seen today, Go away and leave us alone, I for one am tired of hearing your drivel... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1036106844-1305154225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6536133...@bda510.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Defending yourself
I try to ignore threads like these, but here's a few thoughts... This list receives a good 100 messages any given day, and your complaining about a couple bogus messages that make it through? Consider the other side of this policy, say an individual uses Debian and is getting a given error, he searches for the solution but after pouring though search results, forums, documentation, comes up empty. He just wants to ask somebody about it, and doesn't want to be bombarded with a 100 messages a day while trying to figure it out. ...I wonder whom is more inconvenienced... A couple unwanted messages to a couple hundred! Second, If spam does make it through, most of the time it is obvious from the subject and can just be deleted, and if not, I like to give the benefit of the doubt that most users of this list just plain aren't that gullible/stupid. And lastly, it irritates the tar out of me how many people come on the list, have never offered an iota of assistance to anybody, usually ask questions that clearly show they can't be bothered by searching, reading logs, or ever finding answers for themselves, but wanna debate group policy just the same... Wanna dictate group policy? Start by helping the group, assist others, join the development team and actually work on the system, then once you have some cred, you can mention your concerns to the developers who make these decisions, you should know who's who quite well at that point. And notably by that time they'll know you and might give a recital region of a small furry rodent about your opinions... TeddyB
Re: locate something not exist
Your welcome, glad I was actually able to help somebody ;P TeddyB -Original Message- From: lina Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:09:32 To: Cc: Debian Lists Subject: Re: locate something not exist Thanks, it works, On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:06 PM, wrote: > > I believe you need to run > > #updatedb > > If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if > memory is faulty) > > But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to > find results... > > TeddyB > > -Original Message- > From: lina > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:55:38 > To: > Subject: locate something not exist > > Hi, > > when I located fglrx > > which has been purged, > > but it still showed me lots > such as > > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums > /var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd > > when I checked further, found > > # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory > # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst > /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory > # more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf > /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director > > so the "locate" has some problems? > > > -- > Thanks and best regards, > > lina > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/banlktinjedycmtcb_i6nwvcr+kcc6mh...@mail.gmail.com > > -- Thanks and best regards, lina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikxr97ws_pgjstx9atsts9wntn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: locate something not exist
I believe you need to run #updatedb If I am not mistaken (updatedb may work for different search command if memory is faulty) But if I'm not mistaken, updatedb will refresh the database locate uses to find results... TeddyB -Original Message- From: lina Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:55:38 To: Subject: locate something not exist Hi, when I located fglrx which has been purged, but it still showed me lots such as /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-glx.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-modules-dkms.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums /var/lib/update-rc.d/fglrx-atieventsd when I checked further, found # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-source.md5sums: No such file or directory # more /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/fglrx-driver.preinst: No such file or directory # more /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf: No such file or director so the "locate" has some problems? -- Thanks and best regards, lina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktinjedycmtcb_i6nwvcr+kcc6mh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Ubuntu Crossgrade
George Standish said: Ubuntu regularly has issues upgrading from one version to another, now you expect it to "upgrade" to a new distro... This idea doesn't seem like a good idea to me. - I agree with this assessment though any ubuntu head will challenge any statement like this with such religious fervor... I hate fan boi's TeddyB P.S. Sorry about the direct reply message George, #list-fail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/195475543-1303529069-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1946077...@bda510.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Ubuntu Crossgrade
David Sanders said: So, a small question - How suicidal is crossgrading back to Debian by altering my APT sources? I've seen a few blogs saying it works, and I do have a lot of customised stuff on my main laptop which I'd prefer not to have to recompile. I'm pretty technically-adept and don't mind fixing a few issues, but I'd just like to get any horror stories or otherwise that anyone has. Thanks! -- >From my understanding, when Ubuntu first come out you could get away with >cross grading; but everything I have read says that Ubuntu and Debian are too >far removed at the core for that now. If you pulled it off you would likely >face major stability issues... Maybe you could try a fresh debian install and attempt your custom programs as is on that? I'm sure it would be at the very least unstable as well.. Really I think you'll have to bite the bullet and take it as it comes. But I'm not an expert by any means TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/319041035-1303382668-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16190095...@bda510.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Recommendations on groupware
Rico Secada Said: Hi. I'm currently looking into groupware solutions on Debian mainly for sharing a calendar such as Thunderbird + Lightning. Anyone who can provide some real life experience of pros and cons? - I develop web pages using PHP, as such I have access to a web server capable of PHP, MySQL and the like. A couple years back I wanted to find a PHP based script for checking multiple Email addresses at the same time, Kinda like using Mozilla Mail, but being accessible on the internet and across multiple computers. I come across a script called Group Office that does this well via IMAP, also has scheduling / calendar features, Notes, File storage and swapping amoung accounts, a whole host of features. The primary focus of the project is an online group project management solution; but I find it incredibly useful as a general use online organizing tool. They have a "community" project that is open source and a paid version with additional in house features. I find myself needing to upgrade my instance at the moment due to depreciated PHP code, but outside of putting that off for a couple weeks, I have been using this solution happily on an almost daily bases for several years. their URL is: http://www.group-office.com/ TeddyB
Re: AW: Virus
Boblitz John Said; Setup.exe? Is that really a Debian file? I thought, but wasn't sure, so didn't want to say, that no Debian boot CD would contain an .exe file. As these are a Microsoft Windows Format and by and by Linux as an Operating System only acknowledges their existence by defualt and offers non-native support via APIs such as WINE... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/272290101-1300367962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-15832355...@bda2493.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
[OT] Stupid Test...
I guess that's one way to find gullible people to scam Just ask em' to admit to being stupid and totally failing at the internetz TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/81194192-1300344678-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1283834...@bda2493.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Suggestion for a smartphone running natively LINUX? :)
Well Viruses and Vulnerabilities aren't exactly one and the same. Most of the Vulnerabilities mentioned have weaknesses in the applications or pure stupidity of the users. Something I regularly gripe about, Leave stupid people on their own platform, don't dilute mine. TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/642627106-1300170171-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8232024...@bda2493.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: VMware Workstation
Ed Morbius ask; Does anyone have actual or apparent performance comparisons between vbox and VMWare? Why would one chose one over the other? - I would say VMWare's market share is in the Corporate environment, Either for the few features it has over VirtualBox or for the same reasons Red Hat or SUSE has dominating market share in Servers, Corporate Licensing and Support Packaging. TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/57666196-1299109856-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-3941679...@bda023.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
Jason Hsu said: Linux Mint is derived from Ubuntu, so I don't know how you can pan Ubuntu but praise Mint. No distro can be good at everything, but there's no denying the impact of Ubuntu. It has moved the Overton Window in the Windows-vs.-Linux shift. Technically, Linux Mint has variants based off BOTH Ubuntu and Debian, it's user choice. Plus I use Backtrack on my laptops, it is Ubuntu Based. Backtracks unique spin makes it worth using on a laptop, but Ubuntu's "Uniqueness" annoys the living crap out of me... One of the major gripes I have with Backtrack, I've also read that backtrack is moving to KDE4 in the BackTrack 5 release they are working on... This too annoys me. My point being just because on likes or dislikes a given distro does not mean they like or dislike everything that distor's developers do.. On an alternate point, I don't believe in ubuntu's bug number 1 mentality. I don't believe all windows users should be converted, if they are to lazy to learn basic administration leave them on windows, don't dilute the linux gene pool. TeddyB
Re: Best and most popular distros for the enterprise desktop
The problem with Ubuntu is it's the half-baked answer to a question that nobody was asking in the first place... The BIG Complaint: because Debian supports So many hardware platforms their release cycles are too slow. So they come up with the system of releasing LTS's about every two years, and then leaving them to security updates, (sound familiar anyone?) And then they will release a derivative of Debian Testing as Stable every six months, but being so overly concerned with release dates and sticking to the "release date" they release the OS buggy and half-baked, but it's not Debian Testing, no it's Stable, cuz we say it is... Right? Then finding their purpose completely null and void they go to changing random things for no real reason because "we're not just a half-baked re-release of Debian, were different" but really different in bad ways... Finally what bothers me so much about Ubuntu is they try so hard to compete for the non-technical user crowed by using classic psudo-marketing tactics, Like we'll get celebrities to tell everybody why Ubuntu is the best... Like WTF does Lars from Metallica know about Linux to go around in places like Wired magazine saying Ubuntu is the bestest most best OS in the whole wide world... Sickens me.. The fact is any N00b would be better starting off with Mint, it's stable, quick with media centric desktop users needs, and the user would be learning linux the RIGHT way, not the we're gonna change this or that from the method every linux os uses, to our own special way because we're Ubuntu and we know what's best for you. Sounds a bit like Microsoft to me... This rant brought to you by; TeddyB
Re: testing/unstable(sid) in sources.lst ok? (was Re: Problemsinstalling VLC [SOLVED])
Just be sure to comment the unstable repos from your sources list after the fact AFAIR, if you are running testing it is recommended to have testing AND unstable repositories listed in your sources.lst. [..] To flush the repository system, do it now so you don't forget and do an upgrade by accident... To where would you be upgrading? In this case the user was not running sid by default, they enabled sid repository to install a single application. If the user then leaves sid repositories in their sources.list and then runs # apt-get upgrade I would give it a 99.9% chance that system is toast, especially because the very maneuver of taking a stable or testing system and going straight to all unstable sources bypasses the standard upgrade procedure of upgrading to current stable or testing, changing sources to new distro, and dist-upgrading to new branch, finally running upgrade under new branch Also I have never heard of running testing and sid in sources being SOP for a testing system, if anything the system would be Sid because apt will choose the latest version, but even then it isn't pure sid and I would estimate such a setup to be more prone to errors.. Just my viewpoint; TeddyB
Re: Problems installing VLC [SOLVED]
AG said: Actually it was deceptively simple: added a line for unstable in my sources.list, updated, and then installed vlc. Hopefully this will not come back to bite me, but all went very easily. Just be sure to comment the unstable repos from your sources list after the fact # apt-get clean # apt-get update To flush the repository system, do it now so you don't forget and do an upgrade by accident... I have seen OS's Melt that way, very unsettling... LOL TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1610627610-129863-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20789066...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Side Question Regarding Modules (Related to Sound Server ?)
I was thinking about the reply I read to the restarting sound server question suggesting removing the modules and re inserting them, forgive me author of that post, I forget who suggested it... Anyway I having not attempted this method before was thinking about how to go about it. I would assume an # lsmod Would give you the names of your targeted modules and one would follow with # modprobe -r ModName && # modprobe ModName But upon reading the man page for modprobe I get the felling the use of modprobe is intended for long term management of modules to be loaded and unloaded in kernel upon boot, e.g. You remove module for sound but fail to properly reload it and you system is fubar upon reboot. Should this be a concern with this method? Is modprobe the suggested method for this type of action or are their commands I'm not thinking/familure with for said purpose?? Thanks; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1585995524-1298439316-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19639700...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: SSH pauses
Nate Bargmann ask; I notice that when I am logged into my desktop remotely via SSH that I get frequent pauses sometimes lasting for up to a half a minute or so. Generally it's not too problematic although it is annoying when typing an email (I log into my home box to read and send mail so it's all in one place). Is there some way to monitor the connection so that I can see what the issue might be? It almost seems as though the connection loses sync in some way. --- Not really an answer to your question about monitoring the connection, but I often get pauses or lag segments when SSHing to my home server. This is usually done over the net though and figure it's normal. remember your sending an encrypted stream out and interacting through it live, as you type... There's a lot of weight on both machines to encrypt/decrypt as well as amount of data going through the pipe all real time. I really doubt your having an actual issue stability or service wise, but I'm not an ssh expert... TeddyB
Re: restarting sound
Rick Pasotto ask; How can I restart sound without rebooting the whole machine? --- If your using Alsa, there is an alsa-utils file in /etc/init.d/ # /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart Should do something for you, may also use commands stop / start instead of restart if you want to say stop the service, wait a minute and then start it, might help ensure everything goes down and up properly. If your using other sound damon (e.g. OSS or Pulse) they may have some form of file in the init.d file you can issue commands through # ls /etc/init.d/ Good Luck; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2098889148-1298435944-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-10182971...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: OpenOffice has become LibreOffice?
Tom H said; It's not a Debian change but a split away from Oracle. --- Why? I was afraid Oracle was gonna screw up a bunch of Sun's open projects, but they have been doing good as far as I have been able to tell (the latest ver. of Virtual Box is awesome and yummy open source goodness... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2052774160-1297778552-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16740408...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: New policies?
Why would you love to "upgrade software incrementally all the time"?? Its stable/tested, CERTIFIEd to work fine, that's all.. Move to another distro like fedora if you love to "upgrade software incrementally all the time". kn -- Or, run Testing, I run Testing and almost never have issues with things breaking. Debians Stable/Testing/Sid system is perfect if you ask me... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1573268836-1297749550-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-16022200...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: KPackage
Try Synaptic ;) Works fine even on KDE systems, is better organized, offers better search, ... ... no I don't get payed for this writing :D KPackage is not worth loosing a word about it. Just *imho* of cause ;) kind regards Gero I personally never liked synaptic, but then that's why I have adapted to using Command Line, the GUI utilities change too much too often for my taste... On a side note I don't care for Aptitude either... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1128037960-1297225074-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20404943...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: putting "/tmp" to memory help
Isn't messing with volatile /tmp somewhat a moot point, given that the Linux memory manager manages virtual memory anyway? I mean, if /tmp is heavily used by your system, it will be cached in memory anyway. With 4 GB of RAM (as mentioned by kellyremo), you'll end with probably your entire payload (and not just your /tmp) running from RAM. So what's to be gained with a /tmp in RAM, really? In addition, there is a possibility that dedicating 2 GB of RAM to /tmp, you could end up forcing your system to start swapping out. Which would instantly defeat any speed improvement(s) you might have gained. Linux memory management is quite competent all-round IMHO, and it would take an extremely specific/border/particular user case to warrant moving /tmp to a RAM disk. Any opinions? -- Cheerio, Klistvud --- I've thought about this on the premise that if I put the 16GB of RAM my month board can support in than I would have plenty of system memory to run the entire OS from RAM, even while using VM's But I only know about such things from theory... TeddyB
Re: transition from Ubuntu -> Debian to avoid Unity Desktop?
Curt Howland said: HOWEVER, I run Unstable, by choice. Sid breaks all his toys, so I expect to have problems like this once in a while. -- *in bevis and butthead voice* He He He He He He --TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2042713445-1295443469-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-17292724...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: You cant tell Debian is close to release because...
Hi Hi Goldielocks I am a Bear... But just a cute fuzzy baby bear; you no hafta run away!!! *giggles* TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/192624607-1294898200-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19276843...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: ktorrent in sid
deloptes said: One thing I'm missing not in trinity but in debian sid is ktorrent. is it really not working? Because it is not working for me since I've upgraded to kde4. It seems I can not use it with a proxy server. Is there a chance to install the old one (ktorrent2.2) or is it better to setup a virtual machine with lenny, where it is working fine? -- I know it doesn't really answer your question, but I would like to suggest qtorrent, I am running it under Squeeze/Testing and am very very pleased with it... In a side note I don't believe Ktorrent is incompatible by design with squeeze, I have seen it's packages in the repos; maybe just needs to be debugged on your system... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1500524705-1294867426-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20968240...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?
I think what we mainly should take from all this is Western Digital sucks and we should never buy their crap... I know there are some who will disagree with this, so no flames needed... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2143830561-1294723761-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1590697...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Debian (sid) painfully slow.
Neil Youngman said: OK, I'm obviously missing something here. Sid is testing, squeeze is in testing, I thought sid and squeeze were essentially the same thing? Essentially I changed the priorities to make testing the default and did an apt-get dist-upgrade, although I had previously upgraded a fair amount using install -t testing -- Technically there are three branches in Debian. Stable, Testing, and Unstable. As it stands, untill Squeeze is declared stable... Lenny is Stable Squeeze is Testing Sid is Unstable When Squeeze becomes Stable, Lenny is Moved to Old Stable, and Testing takes on the name designated for stable version 7 to be released in 2013.. Sid is the same as unstable and that never changes... I'm not extremely experienced with dist-upgrades but to my knowledge, you want to apt-get clean apt-get update apt-get upgrade *then* change your repositories to testing apt-get clean apt-get update dist-upgrade I think that's the general process; TeddyB
Re: Debian (sid) painfully slow.
I've been seeing a lot of random freezes on a number of Debian systems (testing and unstable) over the last few months. Resources shouldn't be an issue--one is a quad core system with 8GiB memory and very fast discs. But I regularly see X programs freezing for tens of seconds, even in konsole and konqueror and even kwin refusing to allow window switching with the entire desktop locked up. GNOME is no better. On one system part of the problem was a fault on an NFS filesystem (blocking on writes for up to 5 mins due to an issue with the SAN hardware), but I still get the random regular freezes for tens of seconds even with this rectified. One thing I think causes issues is the sheer amount of crap current desktop applications feel the need to write. On a moderately busy system they are continually blocking on writes due to writing out their state each time I move the mouse! [only slightly exaggerated] Useless! I'm also suspicious of things like dbus. When the entire desktop freezes, is some shared service like this causing every program to block for some reason? Given the intermittent nature of things going wrong, it's difficult to trace or debug effectively. Simpler programs don't appear to suffer-- I've never seen xterm freeze up like konsole, but then it never writes out /any/ state at any time (as one might reasonably expect from a terminal emulator). The performance of modern desktop environments is I think a major issue, and I think that the main causes are very likely extremely simple to fix, especially if it's down to doing blocking writes at inappropriate times. Regards, Roger - With that kind of hardware you shouldn't be having resource problems, bloat ware or not... It could be, as mentioned before, a process hogging it all... But $ top Would show that... With drive write issues, have you ruled out hardware? A bad hard disk controller on your motherboard or failures with RAM, Buses, or the Proc could all be culprits... Do you have a way to swap parts with known goods, friends in a user or LUG group maybe that can loan compatible hardware for troubleshooting??? I was having horrible freeze ups awhile back, completely intermittent, I though PSU, Wall Current, RAM. I was swapping stuff left and right. Turned out PSU test fine, all the right digits and steady supply. Ended up having to replace Proc & Mainboard. Tried swapping out both ways and only clean fix was both... Best I could tell CAPS on board went and god knows why the Proc was acting up... TeddyB
Re: Debian or Mint for Games?
Andrei Popescu said: You said nothing about the games you intend to play. [Snip] -- I apologize, I am mainly refering to windows based games, rpg's fps's and console emulators. I do from time to time play linux based games, but when asking this question I was referring to / thinking of non-native and graphically intensive applications. Would anybody know off hand if Mint has a newer version of Wine? They have both Debian as well as Ubuntu base available. By default I would go for the Debian, but would the Ubuntu base have a newer wine... I have other distaste for Ubuntu's system so I detest having to clean it up when working with systems based on their OS... Thank You Andrei; TeddyB -Original Message- From: Andrei Popescu Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:47:38 To: Subject: Re: Debian or Mint for Games? [re-wrapped to 72 characters] On Sb, 08 ian 11, 08:44:25, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: > > So question being is there really any advantages to Mint in the gaming > arena over the capabilities of Debian itself? Really logic tells me > GNU is GNU, and a personally configured system is always better, but > not knowing my way around the Linux gaming world esp. Graphics support > maybe Mint would offer less of an upstream battle... Thoughts?? You said nothing about the games you intend to play. For free games I would choose the one which has the games I need already packaged (preferably by the distro, not third party). OTOH, if you want to try Windows only games Debian's wine is a bit old. Even wine-unstable in unstable is still only 1.1.32. To get StarCraft II working I had to use wine1.3 (1.3.10?) from the Ubuntu PPA for 10.10, which seems to work fine on squeeze. I took the risk because this was a dedicated install which I was willing to trash, I wouldn't have risked that on my main system. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
Re: Debian or Mint for Games?
Klistvud; Thank you for the info and links, I will spend some time pouring over em. If anybody is interested; I, for the time; am still useing my old evga geforce 6600, w/ 128 GB RAM, if I really get into it I may invest in a better graphics card but for now this one will do... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1965916203-1294479972-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-15792542...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Debian or Mint for Games?
Hi: Last night at the 2600 group I managed to score a deal on some basic hardware, though not all that impressive, a major leap forward for my desktop. Anyways; I have been a Debian fan for quite awhile but I do believe there are different distros for different things. My roomate has been raving about LinuxMint 10 and since I may be reinstalling my OS I was giving it consideration. I am thinking of switching to a 64bit OS only because I may soon upgrade over the 4GB RAM cap on 32bits. I also use the system for basic all around system and run an sshd server. So question being is there really any advantages to Mint in the gaming arena over the capabilities of Debian itself? Really logic tells me GNU is GNU, and a personally configured system is always better, but not knowing my way around the Linux gaming world esp. Graphics support maybe Mint would offer less of an upstream battle... Thoughts?? TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1334857675-1294476269-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-154970...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Can Debian Backup ntfs File System?
An operating system should have reliable backup policies built-in; for example, it should backup the entire /home subtree to rewritable DVDs, or a network share, on a weekly basis. When installing the system, the user should be asked where to and how often the backups should be made, just as (s)he is asked for the time zone and the language to be used. Without this info, the installation should simply refuse to go on. --- And where do these magical DVD-Rs to write to come from? How many users rush past automated security and warning protocols before acquiring viruses and malware... Simply put, make something idiot proof, they will make a bigger better idiot. You can't protect and shelter people from the big bad world forever. And yes, I do most of my major car repairs, no I'm not a mechanic. I can cook, clean, and sew, and I'm not a woman. I constantly study survival techniques and look to become proficient at procuring my own food. There is NO excuse for spending countless hours in front of the idiot box and being completely unaware of even the basic functionalities of the things in our world. TeddyB
Re: Limited or no video playback with mkv containing H.264
Maybe the MKVs are corrupt ? does mplayer fare any better ? I got an AMD with a Geforce 7000 with nividia drivers and stock Xorg conf with whatever settings the nvidia-config sets at the time of installation and MKvs with h264 plays just fine on both VLC and mplayer. Both players using whatever the default video out they come with. Mihira --- Sorry about the delay, I haven't been feeling well today... Anyway if I attempt to open one of the files with Mplayer I get error, Internal GStreamer error, that's all it says. I did however copy a couple of the problem files to my Dell Inspiron laptop which is running Backtrack 4 R2 and they play just fine on it. Thanks for you time; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1660370085-1294351605-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-10503660...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Limited or no video playback with mkv containing H.264
Hello; I am about to kill my computer... I have an older AMD Atholon64 3200 With 2GB RAM and an EVGA Geforce 6600 Graphics card (128 mb Graphics Memory) I am running Testing with current Kernel 2.6.32-5-686 I have some .mkv video files containing H.264 in VLC I get Audio and Solid green screen (black screen when I set driver to GLX Video Output XCB) If I load the same files in Xine I get half video with bottom half solid green. I have "upgraded" from default drivers to Nvidia's system, and best I can tell I am using that driver, not sure how to verify for sure, it's referenced in lsmod and xorg.config I have played with and run every MKV / H.264 codec I can find. I am not really familiar with advanced graphics and xorg configuration so not sure if I am just missing something. Thanks for your time; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1765384791-1294254761-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9241633...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: why is this html looks like this?
You posted the same link twice, and the .png file has a big black block over most of it on my system (I think I may have an X-related video glitch on my box), so I can't see what it's supposed to be. - I got the black box too, on my NON X related Blackberry, Though phone browsers aren't the greatest and I initially assumed it was phone browser... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1558283513-1294232077-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8406940...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Can Debian Backup ntfs File System?
No, she didn't. She thought that because she had used the program Picasa, then Picasa would magically produce her 'photos. She did not have them online. There was only the one copy on her computer. She just usually viewed them with Picasa. I did paid support. I had to support no matter how daft the client insisted on being. And no, she didn't learn. She just sacked me!! I had explained in words of one syllable till I was blue in the face, and her niece bought her a pen drive and backed all the then current pictures up. She also explained in words of one syllable. That is why my client thought that she had copies of everything. "My niece did it for me." She hadn't understood that a backup cannot magically add other things to itself without even being plugged into the computer. Lisi - I'll never understand how people can... A) be so computer illiterate, B) Not care, C) Blame or argue with the person who ACTUALLY knows something about it... I have had clients who are paying me to fix it for them and argue all the way about it. Like if you knew better you prolly wouldn't be in given situation or be paying me to fix it... [/rant] TeddyB
Re: dumb question about blu ray drive configuration and playingblu ray movies etc....
I don't mean to sound dogmatic, But when will the Multi Billion dollar corporations understand that the harder they go DRM the more they entice people to break it Nowadays they have to worry about not only people who wish to pirate their media taking a crack at their stuff You have people who just wanna use what they rightfully paid for in their own way, people whom they've just plain ticked off, or people who just want to break/meet the challenge. The tighter you squeeze the more that falls through your fingures... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1177297905-1293635103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4000370...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
Miles Fidelman writes: > Ahhh... so that's an essential qualification for using Debian? :-) - Well, Technically, Squeeze could mean a lot of things to a lot of diffrent people... Just putting that out there I've gone way past helpful this time; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/777453478-1293047506-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7030373...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
Rumors are, there is a Debian based operating system out there, that numbers it's releases year/month and gives them alphabetically ascending code names... flori --- Yes, and just like Voldermort, we must not speak it's evil name... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2076394613-1293025463-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-20303902...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
To me, it seems reasonable to talk about this as newcomers (me included) are not aware of the inners of these naming decisions, but my vote would go for the current system. [SNIP] Camaleón --- Camaleón, a newcommer??? I just don't see that, you are able to like help almost everybody who post an issue... I so thought you're a SysAdmin... Maybe even a Devloper! TeddyB
Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
On Tuesday 21 December 2010 22:16:42 Mark Goldshtein wrote: It is, however, easier if the names are in some easily remembered progression (e.g. Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty etc.) than if they are random (Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny ...) - I always found Ubuntu's system more confusing in terms of actually REMEMBERING the names in the first place, though the alphabetical progression thing does make finding a given release's place in the timeline easier. I rather like Debian's naming system, but then again I liked toy story and find the system cute. ...I really dig cute! It all comes down to different people like different styles and things, not everybody will be pleased no matter what you do, so you find a system that in some way works and matches the heart of what your project is about. (Hacker humor?) And you move on, it really is not that big a deal! TeddyB (<--- cute! LOL) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1748302267-1293008933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-8346256...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: lenny squeeze etc etc
Jim Pazarena said: what possessed the debian people to tack names on to the OS? having actual version/release numbers seems so much clearer. And there does appear to BE release numbers. So why promote the goofy naming system which throws the novice? - Windows 98, 2000 Pro., ME, XP, Vista, SeveN, Yeah, were completely going out on a limb there... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1206374790-1292906015-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-3833770...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Spontaneously aborting X startup during Linux boot process
You can instruct the OS to boot into a diffrent run level by editing the kernel line before you boot it in grub. It will affect only that boot. I don't have the comand syntex infront of me, but a google for it should produce the info. -Original Message- From: Juan Ignacio Gaudio Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:06:31 To: Subject: Spontaneously aborting X startup during Linux boot process Hello, I broke my X (again) trying to install a graphics device driver on my Vostro 1000, so now I don't have video and the keyboard does not respond. I just need to be able to change to a console tty and restore the previous xorg.conf. But as X starts automatically I can't manage to do that before X crashes and I lose the keyboard again... do you know of a way of changing the runlevel to just console (no X) or aborting X startup during Linux boot process (some key combination or anything). I'm running Debian Lenny. Thanks!
Re: Which OS to install?
Ressell Gadd said so I think I should start with a clean system. At present I use Lenny (AMD64) with a couple of backports (maybe they are part of the problem), although I do multiboot several OS's and I can install another easily. So I think I may install another OS just for this project (which will keep my day to day system intact). I'd like to ask for suggestions as to what OS, preferably some flavour of Debian, perhaps the current Squeeze? Any other suggestions gratefully welcomed, particularly where to start reading. One thing I may suggest is look into the use of virtual machines for something like this. You can install and run the OS of your choosing in a window ontop of your main system, This has the advantages of sandboxing your experiments, having access to your running and stable normal environment at the same time as experimenting, and save hard disk space in unfilled partitions. It also won't affect your stable installs should something go terribly wrong. Your main disadvantage is your essentially running two OS's at the same time so eats ram resources like crazy, and may not be an effective true test of system intensive programs given the weight of all the extra stuff on the proc. Oricle's Virtual Box is a good simple to use Virtulization software if your interested. Hope it helps; TeddyB
Re: Problem flushing buffers for USB devices.
Jansen napisal(a): > Greetings, > The flushing of buffers for devices plugged into a USB port > is problematic. When writing data to a USB stick it usually took two > attempts to write a directory to a USB stick. The first attempt > didn't show the directory was there when it was removed then plugged > back in. Gnome does that automatically *provided that* you right-click on the USB drive icon and select "Unmount" (or was it "Eject"?) from the menu. Abrupt removing/replugging USB drives will only corrupt your data. Of course, I may be reading your situation wrong; in that case, please disregard my post. - I read the post the same way; I would add, outside of a GUI, if you have privileges you can run the unmount command in a shell or command line. E.G. #umount /media/usb-mount-point TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1241478202-1292066005-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9596607...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: USB soundbar as default audio device
Chris Jones wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:15:33PM EST, deloptes wrote: >> Chris Jones wrote: >> >> > I am trying to set up a USB sound bar on someone else's laptop running >> > ubuntu 10.10 with a gnome desktop. >> >> what is this sound bar? something to eat :-)? > > No, a place where they charge the patrons for listening :-) > > [..] deloptes wrote I wanted to know if it is a webcam or something else --- Not sure if I am understanding your question, but a sound bar is a small bar shaped speaker usually designed to mount below the monitor. It's a cheap pair of speakers, SoundBar is marketing catch phrases at work for you... Essentially cheap speakers that mount on the computers monitor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1306018035-1291971972-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2677369...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: need help on recovering Windows partition
Finding the data is coincidence because you have created partitions with same sizes, still you have corrupted some entries in the partition table and you need to repair it. partition magick and alike tools do it. -- What I don't get is this, if you are able to access the data, doesn't matter how, Windows, Linux, or otherwise... Why don't you take advantage of that and copy your data off... If the data is important, buy a drive, borrow a drive. Get copies one way or the other. Then format and re partition fresh. Your data is what is important; if you have access to it consider yourself lucky and get it out of there... Sometimes a clean slate is easier than troubleshooting. Keep It Simple; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/21848322-1291368677-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-18345564...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Frustration made me do it.
Below... > If people really feel they NEED desktop > widgets either make it add on software or make a third party desktop > environment based off the main environment. The way it is now KDE and > Gnome, the two biggest are competing for 'most bloat award' and the > sleek fast environments like lxde are basing their systems off the > giants so all the real customization of the past is just plain gone... >No one is forcing anyone to use a DE. There are quite a few window >managers out there, and tons of X apps, that let you set up your box >anyway you want. Why should Linux have to change? Isn't "accommodating pretty much >everyone" a good enough basis for an os? My complaint is that Linux IS and HAS changed. Correct nobody forces anybody to use a specific DE, but I would like somebody to show me a Linux DE that is current, well featured, and NOT based off the current core systems of KDE4 or Gnome. Example, Lxde doesn't have the bloat of KDE4, but is still running ontop of the same core enviroment of the KDE system native to the OS, (e.g. Lxde in squeeze has the same underlying and crappy menu and configuration systems at KDE4, trying to tweek the system is like going on a major quest and it doesn't have anywhere near the customization options KDE3 had.) As I said, It HAS changed. Change is inevitable, and some change is good, but in the desktop environment world you are still limited in style and configuration/functionality options to an ever narrowing scope. And as far as being everything to everyone, you can't. It is impossible to bloat a system into oblivion in an effort to impress desktop users without ticking off the server crowd who just want systems to run effectively and securely on even mediocre hardware. (Just because their servers, and we administer CLi doesn't mean we don't use GUI's or like to tweek our desktops) Let us not forget where Linux came from. The server crowd is our bread and butter, we don't need every microsoft user on Linux and the pursuit of such is only going to ruin what we have. There are other *NIX's out there and vieing to be what Linux is. TeddyB
Re: Frustration made me do it.
I agree Nuno Magalhães; I use to use KDE, I loved the incredible functionality and customization you got from it. Now I've switched to Lxde, not because I like it, but because KDE4 is complete tripe, sure it looks pretty, but there is really no customization to it, which background image do you want, and that's it. With KDE3 you could take two colors, make an effect, overlay an image, and do a transparency or color shift all on the fly, and it was efficient. Now you got this plasma crap that eats resources like their M&M's whether you use it or not. Granted the little tools docked on your desktop is nice, at first, but in the long run they don't get used and it comes down to a nice eye candy interface, where every desktop looks just the same. On a more personal scale I also used KDE because I didn't like trying to Guess which menu system 'dialogue box' an option was in. The KDE control center was intuitive and well organized. Linux Desktop Enviroments need to stop trying to compete to impress microsoft users and N00b's and stick to what Linux is all about, clean, efficient, FAST! If people really feel they NEED desktop widgets either make it add on software or make a third party desktop environment based off the main environment. The way it is now KDE and Gnome, the two biggest are competing for 'most bloat award' and the sleek fast environments like lxde are basing their systems off the giants so all the real customization of the past is just plain gone... STOP LETTING N00b's DEFINE OUR OS! Okay, I'm done... -Original Message- From: Nuno Magalhães Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:42:01 To: debian-user Subject: Re: Frustration made me do it. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:45, Alan Chandler wrote: >> My machine >> is an older desktop with only 1 Gb of RAM Have big applications like office suites, internet browsers and the like added so many more features that a "mere" 1GB of RAM doesn't suffice?! Isn't Web2.0's structure mostly text-based? The bandwith hogs are multimedia and that's out of the box. I remember when i had a functioning windowmaker desktop with a 96MB PII back in '99. Maybe they're comming out of school thinking programming is IDE drag-n-drop and python-style "print this" programs. I don't understand why must software grow with no added content, just because the hardware is more capable. What's next, a 900MB simple text editor?! But i never liked resource-hogs anyway. -- Mars 2 Stay! http://xkcd.com/801/ /etc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikrbcn7zmcqjor_dc2-tuqv7a0v70r4760x7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: (solved)Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
Hmmm, I learned sometin'; I didn't know about the whole map/hide triggers. Good call Camale=F3n! Glad it's working now Long Wind. TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:02:31 To: Cc: Subject: (solved)Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? You are great! I add mapping and it can boot Win98. title Microsoft Windows 98 root(hd1,0) map (hd1) (hd0) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Camale=F3n wrote: > On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:13:41 -0500, Long Wind wrote: > > Mmm... I see. > > GRUB is giving priority to your IDE disk so maybe your BIOS is also > priorizing IDE controller instead SCSI. > > In this setup you may need using the "map" or "hide" option for booting > windows which is detected in secondary hard disk: > > http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration > > Scroll down to "Windows in other place not in hda1" and test with all > that samples (or even a combo of the two), i.e.: > > > title Microsoft Windows 98 (test 1) > map (hd0) (hd1) > map (hd1) (hd0) > root(hd1,0) > savedefault > makeactive > chainloader +1 > > > Greetings, > > -- > Camale=F3n > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=ru7fs5xkx7shl+dmr7r=4gz_rzuszj=0lt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
Well that's good! It's what I would expect it to do if it didn't find the boot partition specified. You say Sda1 is the Win 98 OS In question? Are you certain of this?? the partitions on the hda device boot with (hd0,#) and there are no other disk drives?? TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:19:15 To: Cc: Subject: Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? When I select Win98 in grub menu grub enters grub's command line interface -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimkzwsgik1uyapfptu+_qjsqjaigh6tobyh2...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1820877277-1290345943-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1018019...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
The (hd1,0) structure is right, sorry for syntax error, was working from memory. Looking at your list entry, it should work. The two drives are the only ones in the machine right? And you said if you boot it with (hd1,0) it gives you same os as configured for (hd0,0) ?? H, if this is all acurate you should take Camaleón's advice and post the entire menu.lst to pastebin or similar... TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 07:13:08 To: Cc: Debian Lists Subject: Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? Thanks for your attention! the partition of scsi disk is nothing unusual Win98 is installed at sda1 I notice that you say "hd[1,#]" but I always use the form (hd1,#) menu entries for Win98 is nothing unusual during installation of etch or lenny they create entries for Windows I just make some change: title Microsoft Windows 98 root(hd1,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1 According to grub.html at gnu.org the ls command can list device but both lenny and etch use old grub the ls command seems unavailabel. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > > Well what does the partitioning on the SCSI disk look like? > > It's odd for the system to boot into the HDA device using hd[0,#] AND hd[1,#] > even if hd[1,#] was incorrect for the SCSI device, it should give you a can't > find error, devices 0 AND 1 shouldn't work for the same OS in any case. > > If we're gonna help you with that we may need to see what you put for the Win > 98 entry as well as the partiton structure for your SCSI device > > Another member mentioned the command line interface for grub to see what it > sees, I am not certain of this command myself, but have you attempted to > research this or menu.list configurations? What have you found?? > > TeddyB > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimatl2pcowwzhnw5skftmvunhovkii=jl+rq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
Well what does the partitioning on the SCSI disk look like? It's odd for the system to boot into the HDA device using hd[0,#] AND hd[1,#] even if hd[1,#] was incorrect for the SCSI device, it should give you a can't find error, devices 0 AND 1 shouldn't work for the same OS in any case. If we're gonna help you with that we may need to see what you put for the Win 98 entry as well as the partiton structure for your SCSI device Another member mentioned the command line interface for grub to see what it sees, I am not certain of this command myself, but have you attempted to research this or menu.list configurations? What have you found?? TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 06:53:09 To: Cc: Debian Lists Subject: Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? I use (hd1,0), it doesn't work It boot Windows in hda instead I try by adding map (hd0) (hd1) or map (hd1) (hd0) Both don't work. On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 5:44 AM, wrote: > > The hd[#,#] doesn't refer to the device type (i.e. scsi disk sda) grub > operates BEFORE the OS and so that doesn't come into play. > > If your IDE device is hd[0,#] than your SCSI device is going to be hd[1,#] > > Obviously you must substitute the second # with the partition number your Win > 98 OS is on. > > TeddyB > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktimnvomdmzo3oe1sgmmdeaxhgbog9gxq+vzpx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to kill a process that is "defunct"?
Not really an answer, but I disliked transmission. I've had far better luck with qbittorrent Just a thought TeddyB -Original Message- From: Dotan Cohen Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:50:13 To: Arthur Bela Cc: Debian User Mailing list Subject: Re: how to kill a process that is "defunct"? On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:17, Arthur Bela wrote: > I tried to: > > kill -9 3341 > > but it's still there, and it's using 100% cpu :\ > > I only tried to download a few linux iso's, so i can seed them back a > couple of times [about ~20 at a time :O ] but transmission just > freezez > > I tried to log out, and log in, when i log back, it's still there :O > only when i reboot my pc...only then it will dissapear.. > > Is there a way to kill that process? > > Thank you :O > $ pkill transmission -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlkti=q=rjfhmq4dfop4e0kutadaotokytm9e0uy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
The hd[#,#] doesn't refer to the device type (i.e. scsi disk sda) grub operates BEFORE the OS and so that doesn't come into play. If your IDE device is hd[0,#] than your SCSI device is going to be hd[1,#] Obviously you must substitute the second # with the partition number your Win 98 OS is on. TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 05:29:38 To: Cc: Debian Lists Subject: Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? My first disk is IDE and called hd0 by grub My 2nd disk is scsi, it probably won't work if I call it "hd[0,1]" in menu.lst On 11/21/10, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: > > > Running etch your most likely running grub1. If this is the case you must > edit your > > /boot/grub/menu.list > > There are entries for each item on your boot menu. You must create an entry > for Windows 98, you define the location of your installation via the hd[0,1] > entry. The first number is your disk drive, the second is the partition, > both start counting from zero. > > TeddyB > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin042-qyphy0p9b-exvuz4ptrntdo6ckynfu...@mail.gmail.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/429731746-1290322138-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6218045...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikk-1qtv1t1y4kjv3nfuu3kp5tn9sj2=beb6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk?
Running etch your most likely running grub1. If this is the case you must edit your /boot/grub/menu.list There are entries for each item on your boot menu. You must create an entry for Windows 98, you define the location of your installation via the hd[0,1] entry. The first number is your disk drive, the second is the partition, both start counting from zero. TeddyB -Original Message- From: Long Wind Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:34:37 To: debian-user Subject: can grub on one disk boot OS on another disk? I have installed etch on hda4 Now I add a scsi disk that have Windows 98 Can grub boot Windows 98?? Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin042-qyphy0p9b-exvuz4ptrntdo6ckynfu...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/429731746-1290322138-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6218045...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Frustration made me do it.
You know; I have to side with Sthu on this. I run a testing install on my AMD 64 3200+ which is maxed out at two gigs of ram. My system runs fine without any problems and I use Ice Weasel, mind you, I also save bookmarks and such and though I run some tab nowhere near 200. Though I also often run Virtual Machines and the like which are a far larger resource hog. IDK, I understand the idea of resource bloat, but if you have 8 GIGs of RAM, I just don't see how a 200mb footprint is a problem. TeddyB P.S. Sorry for the CC Sthu, didn't mean to, noticed after the fact. -Original Message- From: Sthu Deus Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:50:11 To: Subject: Re: Frustration made me do it. Dan Serban wrote: > > I will spare you the minute details for my decision, but I assume > > most of you experience the same frustrations I do. The increasing > > bloat, the never enough memory (16gb real, 32gb swap) being happily > > claimed by a single tab and xul-runner eating it all. I use FF only, and have much less memory parameters - yet never had any problem like that. Of course it is up to You what You do w/ the software You've once installed, but let it be at least known to You that the reasons You've brought here just are no essential or in other words, not Mozilla-specific. Have a good day. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ce7e02e.cb7b0e0a.2be0.a...@mx.google.com
Re: "unable to register inhibitor with session bus"
How Rude... Are you really confused as to why you haven't received a reply to this question on web based forums? I really doubt you have put any effort at all into finding the answer on your own given you apparently didn't read the mailing list rules and the references it made to foul language. What I suggest is reading the page posted below. Think about your problem, and attempt to ask again in a proper and respectful manner. Remember Linux is released without warranty and nobody is obligated to help somebody who acts in rude, selfish, or ignorant ways. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html TeddyB -Original Message- From: crossbuns@gmail.com crossbuns@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:16:43 To: Subject: "unable to register inhibitor with session bus" How the fuck do I fix this? I did startx and this and a bunch of other fucking bullshit came scrolling down my screen. You say you gonna take down Microsoft with your free shit but if you niggas cant get GUIs right you aint got jack shit sorry. Fix my shit niggas. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20101118t061558-...@post.gmane.org
Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?
Jesús; Your argument is bogus, how many threads do you sit on and are you arguing about this? How many OS's are you trying to convince??? What you seem to be missing, and has been pointed out over and over is yes Debian as a Distribution is developed by volunteers, yes you can go around trying to make demands, but in reality all your gonna get is told to go do unholy things to yourself. Yeah you can choose to exclude packages or software for whatever reason, but the it wouldn't be much of an OS would it?? Sure you can do a lot of things, but if you want 100% idiot proof, go with windows, they specialize in dumbing things down. Linux as well as most open source software is written for effectiveness by the coders who wish to use it. They are taking their free time to collaborate on projects, doing what they would otherwise be paid to do. The fact is that most developers in the linux and FOSS world don't care if you can get their code working on your system or not. They provide it free of charge and without warranty. If it works for you, good we're glad, if not, we'll see if we can help. But complaining and biting isn't gonna get you anywhere because when it comes down to it, nobody's gonna loose sleep that somebody couldn't use their code. I don't mean to flame, but this conversation just keeps going back and forth, back and forth. I think your time would be better spent learning and studying, figuring out why your google results are limited, what you can change to maybe find more relevant info, or what search engines may be otherwise helpful. Maybe studying the linux system as a whole to understand what, why, and how, it's doing what it does. Bottom line: why is linux so difficult? Because it's freaking free. It is written by the very PHd Canadits you speak of, and their number one interest is that it works for them. If you can gain and work it, learn from it, excellent, a lot of people are willing to help you. If you want your hand held, well you gotta pay for that. Either microsoft or maybe a distro that offers trouble ticket licenses (like red hat enterprise or suse enterprise) TeddyB -Original Message- From: "Jesús M. Navarro" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:38:35 To: Subject: Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard? Hi, Steve: On Monday 15 November 2010 21:34:03 Steve Kemp wrote: [...] > Debian policy wouldn't arbitrarily try to mandate how the software > we include is written because we simply have no control over that. Not to state a position but I think what you say's basically irrelevant: Debian has no control about how people distribute their software either but still Debian strongly stablishes that "these" kind of licenses are acceptable while "those" kind of licenses are not. It would be absolutly within Debian abilities to stablish, say, that only software developed in C were to be acceptable (to name just the stupidest thing that it came to my mind). > Sure we can and do patch some software, but to implement your > suggestion we'd have to patch many many many pieces of unrelated > software and that is not a simple thing. Again, that's just in line with other things already being done: packaging 10.000 "programs" it's not a simple thing either but that's exactly what Debian does. > Nor would maintaining those patches be easy. Only those that weren't accepted upstream should have to be maintained. > (Not that I disapprove of your general idea; but consider would *you* > personally download the source to 100 applications, update them to log > in a consistent fashion, post the patches to the appropriate project's > discussion lists (if they even exist), then keep them updated for > a year or two?Even if you did who would handle the other few > thousand application binaries..) Consider would *you* personally download the source to 100 applications, massage them so they are acceptable within Debian policy bounds, etc. then keept them updated for a year or two? Well, that's exactly what Debian does while, obviously, being an impossibility for you alone, so it seems you have a non-argument. Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201011171538.35837.jesus.nava...@undominio.net
Re: can't read asus support dvd
I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? I dunno that I've ever seen LBA Errors from a CD... Is this disk original manufacture's disk or home made "burned" copy? TeddyB -Original Message- From: Hugo Vanwoerkom Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:21:58 To: Subject: Re: can't read asus support dvd Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:58:11 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >> I bought an asus M4N98TD EVO mobo and it comes with a (windoze) install >> DVD that says DVD ROM up front. > > Quick, drop that thing or will hypnose you! :-P > >> I put it in the '0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HP' 'DVD Writer 1140r' >> ' and I get errors. >> >> Is it a bad DVD or is it some special format only for windoze? > > Weird. What error are you getting? Have you tried with another DVD media? > Other DVD's are OK. Errors: ... Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.697981] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.697987] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.697993] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.697999] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 a0 00 e0 00 00 02 00 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.698008] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 41943936 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.698345] __ratelimit: 19 callbacks suppressed Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.698349] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 5242992 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.700839] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.700847] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.700851] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.700858] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 a0 00 e0 00 00 02 00 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.700866] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 41943936 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.701206] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 5242992 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.704597] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.704605] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.704609] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.704616] sr 1:0:1:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 a0 00 fc 00 00 02 00 Nov 16 07:47:01 Debian kernel: [ 932.704625] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 41944048 ... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ibub36$v0...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Packages - what's the best way?
Your primary method of installing programs is going to be apt-get, especially if your new to linux. Apt is in essence a front end that runs ontop of dpkg and uses remote repositories to fetch, install, remove, and upgrade programs, including the dependences of those programs. This is a major advantage nowadays because before programs like apt all you had was dpkg and you had to work out the dependences yourself, many times layers of dependences. (e.g. Program you want depends on lib-x, which in turn depends on lib-y, which in turn depends on lib-z, and so forth) Aptitude, synaptic, and the like are in turn front ends to apt, user interfaces to make it easier to manage packages. It's your choice as to whether you wish to use a front end or apt directly, I guess some are intimidated by the command line and apt's many commands (apt-get, apt-cache, apt-key, etc.) Personally I have studied and use apt directly but that's because graphical interfaces change too much for me, you upgrade a system and all the sudden you find the programs you like have totally changed, or have depreciated and been replaced. The Command Line isn't as fluctuate, it's practically universal, regardless of whether your system is debian based, red hat based, unix based, whatever... TeddyB -Original Message- From: Rob Hurle Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:22:13 To: Reply-To: rob1...@gmail.com Subject: Packages - what's the best way? I'm quite new to debian and I'm getting my head around dpkg, apt-get, aptitude and synaptic. Does anyone have advice on the best way to handle a .deb package? Can I make up my own repository of .deb packages and point apt-get at that to install packages? I've installed one or two small things (gcc and gnu make) using dpkg, but I wondered if there was a better way to do this. I've just downloaded opera and it comes in a .deb package, so this is my next task. apt or dpkg - or even synaptic? Thanks for any help. Rob Hurle -- - Rob Hurle ANU, College of Asia and the Pacific School of Culture, History and Language Histories of Asia and the Pacific e-mail: rob1...@gmail.com Telephone (ANU): +61 2 6125 3169 Mobile (in VN): +84 948 243 538 Mobile (in OZ): +61 417 293 603 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikprdp6ux8zrc2aql+e6lmnueymqyxafzypo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Where has my Windows partition gone?
To answer my own questions... Grub2 seems to store it's configurations in /boot/grub/grub.cfg But this file is not meant to be manually configured, it can be, but is discouraged and is read-only by default. Standard manual menu edits should be done in /etc/grub.d/40_custom This is a module system and you must run # update-grub to load the updated module. If you wanna see the auto probe results that should be in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober If your system isn't auto-detecting you windows system check to see that os-prober is installed. If not, apt-get and run update-grub. Useful information here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 Apparently you can get hard disk and uuid infomation at the command line by running # blkid I haven't tested this yet but should be interesting... TeddyB -Original Message- From: teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:25:27 To: Debian Lists Reply-To: teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net Subject: Re: Where has my Windows partition gone? Hmmm, I coulda swore my testing/squeeze install had one. That's the thing I hate, everything always moving around. Grub2 has to have a config file somewhere that's comparable to menu.list to fetch it from, what is the new config file and where is it? Second, I haven't been a fan of the uuid thing mainly because I dunno how to identify a drives uuid. What is the CLi commands one would use to identify a given drive and it's uuid? Always learn something; TeddyB --Original Message-- From: Thierry Chatelet To: Tim Saunders Subject: Re: Where has my Windows partition gone? Sent: Nov 13, 2010 8:01 PM On Sunday 14 November 2010 01:52:41 teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: > > Check your menu.list file and see if the entry for windows is still there, > I have seen it disappear or somehow be eaten. > > /boot/grub/menu.list > No more menu.list with grub2 which is the default (I am guessing here) with squeeze. Also, hard drive are called by their UUID now. Thierry
Re: Where has my Windows partition gone?
Hmmm, I coulda swore my testing/squeeze install had one. That's the thing I hate, everything always moving around. Grub2 has to have a config file somewhere that's comparable to menu.list to fetch it from, what is the new config file and where is it? Second, I haven't been a fan of the uuid thing mainly because I dunno how to identify a drives uuid. What is the CLi commands one would use to identify a given drive and it's uuid? Always learn something; TeddyB --Original Message-- From: Thierry Chatelet To: Tim Saunders Subject: Re: Where has my Windows partition gone? Sent: Nov 13, 2010 8:01 PM On Sunday 14 November 2010 01:52:41 teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: > > Check your menu.list file and see if the entry for windows is still there, > I have seen it disappear or somehow be eaten. > > /boot/grub/menu.list > No more menu.list with grub2 which is the default (I am guessing here) with squeeze. Also, hard drive are called by their UUID now. Thierry
Re: Where has my Windows partition gone?
I have had grub do this sortta thing before... Check your menu.list file and see if the entry for windows is still there, I have seen it disappear or somehow be eaten. /boot/grub/menu.list I don't have an example code in front of me but you can look it up and verify it, mostly you just need to make sure there is a label and that it points to the windows partition. Remeber drive and partition numbers start with 0 (second partition on first hard drive is hd(0,1) I would so check that out before running installation scripts. Hope it's helpful; TeddyB -Original Message- From: Carl Fink Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 18:28:32 To: Subject: Re: Where has my Windows partition gone? On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:11:03PM +, John O Laoi wrote: > Any other ideas Try mounting /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 and see if they're still working right. If not, you might need to fsck them (ideally from a Windows install disk, which would call the function "chkdsk"). -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20101113232832.gb11...@panix.com
Re: Making /tmp noexec
This is more of an F-MY-I question, but if the /tem dir is a separate partition
and your using a mount command in fstab, could you limit the execute
capabilities via umask?
I would think umask=111 would set the directory world read and write with no
Execute permissions
*NOTE* I don't fully understand umask number permissions other than the effect
that they are reverse of chmod numbers and 000 is world read/write/execute,
since execute is value 1 in chmod I assume by counting 111 your telling umask
to EXCLUDE execute, may need to look up umask values
TeddyB
-Original Message-
From: Sven Joachim
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:29:08
To:
Subject: Re: Making /tmp noexec
On 2010-11-12 14:30 +0100, James Allsopp wrote:
> Hi,
> I was reading this page about making tmp non-executable
> (http://pario.no/2007/10/04/making-tmp-non-executable/) but it seems a
> little out of date as I'm using Squeeze.
>
> I changed fstab, and edited by 70debconf to
>
> DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"mount -o remount,exec
> /tmp";"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";};
> DPkg::Post-Invoke{"mount -o remount /tmp";};
A better option would be to set APT::ExtractTemplates::TempDir to a
directory where programs can be executed. See apt-extracttemplates(1).
> is this correct? Aptitude still works fine, but I was wondering if
> anyone had experience of pitfalls with this?
While dpkg is running, programs in /tmp are executable. If you're
paranoid enough, this may worry you.
> Would I replicate this for my /var partition
If you do this, you have to relocate /var/lib/dpkg/info to another
filesystem and bind-mount or symlink it so that the package maintainer
scripts can be run.
> and is there any point to doing this with /home?
It may help a little if you cannot trust your users, but note that they
can still run (at least) shell, perl and awk scripts by invoking the
interpreter.
Sven
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Re: how to start gnome from the command line
You know; I know this is an unenlightened response, but sometimes it's easier than de bugging. I would apt-get purge the gnome packages you have installed (purge removes config files too) and then apt-get install the gnome-core package mentioned earlier; which should install and config x as well. Only thing that I would watch is when you issue the purge command and see what's to be removed, I have seen apt totally thrash entire systems removing dependences and such on major system components. Should be fine, but be aware of what the system is doing Hope it's helpful; TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/268952905-1289618394-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9303678...@bda029.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
Re: Older Toshiba won't restart only halt
My roommate says your issue is most likely ACPI and alternate OS's such as windows are likely to have same issues. He said it's a common problem with aging toshibas and he hasn't found a workable solution. He suggest testing with other OS's such as windows or a live cd distro to verify chip issues and eliminate software as a culprit Hope it's helpful; TeddyB -Original Message- From: Howard Eisenberger Sender: robo...@news.nic.it Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:31:25 To: Subject: Re: Older Toshiba won't restart only halt On 2010-11-09, Stephen Fishpaste wrote: > I've had this issue for some time with this laptop through the various > incarnations of Debian. This is a Toshiba Satellite 1800 circa 2004 > with maxed out ram 512 Mb and it runs just fine with LXDE on it. > Presently I'm running Squeeze, with proposed Sid updates. > > I've never been able to 'restart' the damn thing. halt -p works fine > but I always have to shutdown and then manually start up again. A pain > in the arse for kernel upgrades. 8>D > > Any suggestions as to what I need to do to fix this? Don't have this > problem with other laptops of the same era that I've installed Debian > on either. Same thing here with a cheapo Intel P4 motherboard running Squeeze. No desktop manager. I haven't investigated, as the machine is rarely used, but it looks like the issue is not restricted to laptops. Regards, Howard E. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dopsq7-ffc@gonif.dnyndns.org
