Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Sunday 15 June 2014 12:20:40 The Wanderer wrote: > You initially asked how to install Firefox alongside Iceweasel, in the > hopes that (a current version of) Firefox would not have the problem. > > That seems to indicate that you thought the problem might be with > Iceweasel, or at least with older versions of Firefox. > > But if the problem also manifests in (some versions of) Chrome, then it > can't be specific to Iceweasel or to older Firefox like that... I never intended to imply that it was specific to Iceweasel. Merely that I thought that a newer version of Iceweasel *might* solve the overall problem. I had run out of things to try. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406151256.36261.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/15/2014 05:35 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 14 June 2014 12:22:18 The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 06/14/2014 04:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> I haven't got any add-ons in Google Chrome. And the problem >>> exists there. >> >> Then... how would it make any sense for this to be an Iceweasel >> problem? > > Who said that it was?? I didn't. You initially asked how to install Firefox alongside Iceweasel, in the hopes that (a current version of) Firefox would not have the problem. That seems to indicate that you thought the problem might be with Iceweasel, or at least with older versions of Firefox. But if the problem also manifests in (some versions of) Chrome, then it can't be specific to Iceweasel or to older Firefox like that... >>> I'll try a different profile before I start removing my one >>> add-on. Which I only recently added, and which hasn't made this >>> problem any worse. It is an on-going problem. Not to mention >>> the fact that Andrei was able to reproduce the second one. >> >> If I understand the replies correctly, Andrei's "reproduce" of the >> second one was the result of not realizing that in order to enable >> the "add to basket" button on that site, you have to select a size >> first. (As well as allowing the right scripts, if you're blocking >> any.) > > I waas doiingf htis and it wasn't working. But it niw works, with > 30.0. Fair enough. It's still odd that it works for me just fine with Iceweasel 24.5. >> Speaking of which, if those sites don't support the ESR release of >> Firefox, they're going to have trouble with a not insignificant >> part of their potential customer base; they might want to >> reconsider that. > > In my experience they don't (want to reconsider that). I was even > told by my energy supplier that they wouldn't let me have legible > documents (I am partially sighted) because the illegible squiggles > were their "brand". They'd rather upset (and lose) their handicapped > customers than dilute their "brand" for anyone. Yow. I hope that "(and lose)" means you've taken (or are planning to take) your business elsewhere... - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTnYGHAAoJEASpNY00KDJrZToP/0uylTTCL8nm7S41VbKbNsxf lUny70+UWk+S9AxWftTSJvBFHBCmsFEMHcOtSCOEBpG1LUgzq1TCPxRc8QBBPGvP V5yMlc9XvMQI6LGZJzlCpXrydwz1yJosHjbGRF7aBaGikKvSvcys8pjI0YfHPEq9 UErQl/EnLpS5cJh0xgUEC2T9iIRoYfqkeaw+gpf1VbjuRQveYJvInPb9Pza0Y5sW PrW4Tjnis2QGxm61W/APTqZEzl1I1WBQHFHx8IyeAceLCKreTiM7vnDkqtlrcMDG f9PjajU+sgLTcPF3xuiNDhc7N7wjHHsXiBsF9Jw0SRtuHzpefff8T9cbyfVzGQ+b iyGNtX+A4nySMSQJwhMYruKr9hCJneieFMGRGgVX8g9Vfj2uMgLv69eE5KYeB9GI HOxYAalTElEqjc3snbpPubabr/SrSpLN5EH+LKZM3QPo8SHHtMcf56XueE/V0whu GmP67BnwX6dZmGfjyGhLXwKasJlO7u/tJPehrp1xaB4XTHiQZmarr62CiXbi8PbC luk8fuUchP6DQvsqa3nhc1Gh2uwmj/htPpIF6sPXStzC5rNTrDjR3b2JwEwut6x3 uzuOjZ/pOygiMsQzlZGkEO+2jC16YOOlnXf3MxnvthxuwJ8n4hkQqUfN5AbWTUyc oMCXDRX5REnEBmhvzh03 =mczt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539d8188.8090...@fastmail.fm
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Saturday 14 June 2014 12:22:18 The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 06/14/2014 04:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 13 June 2014 19:17:19 Go Linux wrote: > >> On Fri, 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > >> Subject: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy. To: > >> debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 9:01 AM > >> > >> > >> https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login > >> > >> I can't login on this one. > >> > >> There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the > >> basket). Here is an example of that: > >> > >> http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-n > >>eck -vests > >> > >> > >> > >> Have you tried in safe-mode? Maybe an addon is the culprit. This > >> is pretty standard diagnostic procedure. > > > > I haven't got any add-ons in Google Chrome. And the problem exists > > there. > > Then... how would it make any sense for this to be an Iceweasel problem? Who said that it was?? I didn't. > > I'll try a different profile before I start removing my one add-on. > > Which I only recently added, and which hasn't made this problem any > > worse. It is an on-going problem. Not to mention the fact that > > Andrei was able to reproduce the second one. > > If I understand the replies correctly, Andrei's "reproduce" of the > second one was the result of not realizing that in order to enable the > "add to basket" button on that site, you have to select a size first. > (As well as allowing the right scripts, if you're blocking any.) I waas doiingf htis and it wasn't working. But it niw works, with 30.0. > With that realization, (s?)he reported that it worked fine in dwb (a > Webkit-based browser), though (s?)he didn't retest in Iceweasel since > I'd already done that. > > > This is happening with more and more sites in the UK. I was > > specifically told by one of them that they don't support earlier > > versions of Firefox. Which is why I asked about installing a later > > version of Firefox, rather than trouble shooting. > > Fair enough, but I'd still like to find an example of a site with the > problem which I can actually reproduce... if only because I'm likely to > be using "earlier" versions of Firefox (in the form of the ESR release) > for the foreseeable future, simply because I don't want to have to jump > through the hoops which a "did they break anything this time?" > new-major-version Firefox release requires every six weeks. We each choose our inconveniences. Anyhow, I was using wheezy-backports to get the esr, and I am using wheezy-backports to get the version I've got now, so I'm quite happy. > Speaking of which, if those sites don't support the ESR release of > Firefox, they're going to have trouble with a not insignificant part of > their potential customer base; they might want to reconsider that. In my experience they don't (want to reconsider that). I was even told by my energy supplier that they wouldn't let me have legible documents (I am partially sighted) because the illegible squiggles were their "brand". They'd rather upset (and lose) their handicapped customers than dilute their "brand" for anyone. > Good luck with newer Iceweasel, with a clean profile, and/or with > separate Firefox if you end up going that route. Please report back as > to whether any of them do fix anything; I'm particularly interested if > they don't. Iceweasel 30.0 from wheezy-backports is looking promising. But it is too early to say that it has fixed the problem! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406151035.04553.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/14/2014 04:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2014 19:17:19 Go Linux wrote: > >> On Fri, 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy. To: >> debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 9:01 AM >> >> >> https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login >> >> I can't login on this one. >> >> There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the >> basket). Here is an example of that: >> >> http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck >> -vests >> >> >> >> Have you tried in safe-mode? Maybe an addon is the culprit. This >> is pretty standard diagnostic procedure. > > I haven't got any add-ons in Google Chrome. And the problem exists > there. Then... how would it make any sense for this to be an Iceweasel problem? > I'll try a different profile before I start removing my one add-on. > Which I only recently added, and which hasn't made this problem any > worse. It is an on-going problem. Not to mention the fact that > Andrei was able to reproduce the second one. If I understand the replies correctly, Andrei's "reproduce" of the second one was the result of not realizing that in order to enable the "add to basket" button on that site, you have to select a size first. (As well as allowing the right scripts, if you're blocking any.) With that realization, (s?)he reported that it worked fine in dwb (a Webkit-based browser), though (s?)he didn't retest in Iceweasel since I'd already done that. > This is happening with more and more sites in the UK. I was > specifically told by one of them that they don't support earlier > versions of Firefox. Which is why I asked about installing a later > version of Firefox, rather than trouble shooting. Fair enough, but I'd still like to find an example of a site with the problem which I can actually reproduce... if only because I'm likely to be using "earlier" versions of Firefox (in the form of the ESR release) for the foreseeable future, simply because I don't want to have to jump through the hoops which a "did they break anything this time?" new-major-version Firefox release requires every six weeks. Speaking of which, if those sites don't support the ESR release of Firefox, they're going to have trouble with a not insignificant part of their potential customer base; they might want to reconsider that. Good luck with newer Iceweasel, with a clean profile, and/or with separate Firefox if you end up going that route. Please report back as to whether any of them do fix anything; I'm particularly interested if they don't. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTnDBqAAoJEASpNY00KDJrPYoP/1J4FPLtLuZxQA89uEruBKjH 9vm1A7YlrSCKsizHIiAR28AANase1MElNOEYaXb6TF/ofynCkaUcgO7zgC7m9T7w kvp23tDwQCgbAsDXuyegWRgEmR2h3R2Mp+xbz66cK1PAFRILAaCVJ/huKOQIUUA6 gajIPXjAmMe16PtIEMDhRo0GZl3Q1fDnad+dC54HgQgskjuRxgb6HSAyezNaycus VgzdX9bOlckD+P18kxA4kFJuGfDEs4O5PwaCQvGRd4H1aQiYpfT0SQCGrrsGygvg CuW/vo0V4k4rGJt0oDnNVQLfEBQT1JV0qj4sARGFsbrRtR8cXD6YMoJT6BPLX+x0 ehR9UezcmKldQYk9RZrXb1WXycHOmXXDSNEebCxU8nSQr26pTkMsUGK0Fk40dt+7 vrOvFIWMMvTmwlvEhb5AzYhG4fzWQUCzg/2ZiD0Zcm6oc6pQo95aI8kFuvuSRS2S +DUz9GdUWhdWQjGlsLQsl0kj8TPvSlHeKEkvFbMOGBkwz9VrLz6xhh1/Dv0endOG SYsigzOyZj5UKAiI7NpKl3PphVvBuMFsjOGBkGuvCbqe6X3ZQyzW5x4CfBwDDDoz //nPceUrOeq/wAjMGRKBQNHG1dKTFCGHDfcTsmvXaGTHdnCIIAgtTrabILc33KRA BhldShjfwcnkxC4otJ8U =MGSF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539c306a.8020...@fastmail.fm
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On 06/14/2014 10:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2014 19:17:19 Go Linux wrote: >> On Fri, 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy. >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 9:01 AM >> >> >> https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login >> >> I can't login on this one. >> >> There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the >> basket). Here is an example of that: >> >> http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck >> -vests >> >> >> >> Have you tried in safe-mode? Maybe an addon is the culprit. This is >> pretty standard diagnostic procedure. > > I haven't got any add-ons in Google Chrome. And the problem exists there. > I'll try a different profile before I start removing my one add-on. Which I > only recently added, and which hasn't made this problem any worse. It is an > on-going problem. Not to mention the fact that Andrei was able to reproduce > the second one. > > This is happening with more and more sites in the UK. I was specifically > told > by one of them that they don't support earlier versions of Firefox. Which is > why I asked about installing a later version of Firefox, rather than trouble > shooting. > > Lisi > > I'm not a long term Iceweasel user, nor an enthusiastic one. I went on the damart page with chrome Version 35.0.1916.153, I'm not sure if this your issue but you need to select a quantity to enable the "add to basket" feature. It worked for me. Good luck ! -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: CORRIGENDA - Re: SOLVED: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On 06/14/2014 09:59 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > deb http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports iceweasel-release I just get into the loop : Thanks for the tip ! Actually I was running both iceweasel and firefox, downsides : 1. can't run them at the same time.. obviously 2. wait for all plugins to be checked and deactivated, each time you start either one Gonna try iceweasel 30.0 right away ! Cheers :) -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday 13 June 2014 19:17:19 Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Subject: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy. > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 9:01 AM > > > https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login > > I can't login on this one. > > There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the > basket). Here is an example of that: > > http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck >-vests > > > > Have you tried in safe-mode? Maybe an addon is the culprit. This is > pretty standard diagnostic procedure. I haven't got any add-ons in Google Chrome. And the problem exists there. I'll try a different profile before I start removing my one add-on. Which I only recently added, and which hasn't made this problem any worse. It is an on-going problem. Not to mention the fact that Andrei was able to reproduce the second one. This is happening with more and more sites in the UK. I was specifically told by one of them that they don't support earlier versions of Firefox. Which is why I asked about installing a later version of Firefox, rather than trouble shooting. Lisi I'm not a long term Iceweasel user, nor an enthusiastic one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406140914.38612.lisi.re...@gmail.com
CORRIGENDA - Re: SOLVED: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Saturday 14 June 2014 08:57:20 Lisi Reisz wrote: > deb http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports iceweasel-esr > icedove-release Sorry. :-( deb http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports iceweasel-release I must be more careful with my copying and pasting. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406140859.40338.lisi.re...@gmail.com
SOLVED: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Saturday 14 June 2014 06:48:27 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > Lisi Reisz writes: > > On Friday 13 June 2014 20:34:12 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz writes: > >> > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just > >> > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel > >> > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > >> > > >> > Lisi > >> > >> Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, > >> right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from > >> wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? > >> > >> [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ > > > > I have. > > ?! > > But Lisi, your words: > > I have: Version: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1 according to > iceweasel>. And 24.5.0 according to Iceweasel itself. > > And mozilla.debian.net repository contains quite more resent version: > > # apt-cache policy iceweasel > iceweasel: > Installed: 29.0.1-2 > Candidate: 30.0-1~bpo70+1 > Version table: > ... > 30.0-1~bpo70+1 0 > 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release > amd64 Packages ... > 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 0 > 500 file:/home/mirror/pool/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages > ... > > Are you sure you *have* installed iceweasel from backports? > Have some problems disappeared after upgrade to iceweasel-v30? I was entirely sure I had asked to install from backports, so this further email from you made me explore why, if I had not, I had not succeeded. The answer? I still had: deb http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports iceweasel-esr icedove-esr in my sources list when it should now have been: deb http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports iceweasel-esr icedove-release One short edit of my sources list later, I now have Iceweasel 30. Thank you!! :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406140857.20611.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
Lisi Reisz writes: > On Friday 13 June 2014 20:34:12 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: >> Lisi Reisz writes: >> > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just >> > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel >> > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. >> > >> > Lisi >> >> Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, >> right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from >> wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? >> >> [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ > > I have. ?! But Lisi, your words: > I have: Version: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1 according to iceweasel>. And 24.5.0 according to Iceweasel itself. And mozilla.debian.net repository contains quite more resent version: # apt-cache policy iceweasel iceweasel: Installed: 29.0.1-2 Candidate: 30.0-1~bpo70+1 Version table: ... 30.0-1~bpo70+1 0 500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports/iceweasel-release amd64 Packages ... 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 0 500 file:/home/mirror/pool/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages ... Are you sure you *have* installed iceweasel from backports? Have some problems disappeared after upgrade to iceweasel-v30? pgpWnBsGJ0Hft.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. I have taken to installing Google Chrome for people - it's too much hassle to make everything work with IceWeasel that people expect. My philosophy on this - if a computer is going to get dirty, might as well go all in, and Google is the king at this point, so Chrome it is. If it don't work with Chrome, it ain't gonna work on GNU/Linux at all. Except if you want to run Netflix with pipelight. That you can't with Chrome but works fine with Iceweasel. Hugo As to your question - I have installed and run all three at the same time (at least on other peoples' computers - for me, I just make the sacrifices ongoingly, but I do understand that many people cannot suffer this). As a quick test, open a command line and run "firefox" - if it doesn't exist, then installing firefox "official" _should_ be ok. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lnfuei$qnr$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday 13 June 2014 21:48:24 Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:21:54 +0100 > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just > > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel > > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > > > Lisi > > Hi Lisi, > > If the only problem is sites not talking to you, couldn't you change > how Iceweasel identifies itself? I did that with xxxterm, removing > Youtube's message that my browser was deprecated and about to lose > support, and enabling titantv.com to let me set up my own channel > scheduling (though with a glitch I overcame). > > By the way, I'm highly satisfied with the way xxxterm works. Thanks for all the ideas, everybody. I'll work through them. It looks as htough something ought to work. It isn't that the sites won't talk to me. They won't let me talk to them. Really, I need to get another browser. I don't overall like Iceweasel. I used to use Konqueror as my main browser, and much prefer it. But it is suffering from having a much smaller support base. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406132206.26643.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday 13 June 2014 20:34:12 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > Lisi Reisz writes: > > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just > > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel > > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > > > Lisi > > Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, > right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from > wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? > > [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ I have. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406132200.09950.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:21:54 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > Lisi Hi Lisi, If the only problem is sites not talking to you, couldn't you change how Iceweasel identifies itself? I did that with xxxterm, removing Youtube's message that my browser was deprecated and about to lose support, and enabling titantv.com to let me set up my own channel scheduling (though with a glitch I overcame). By the way, I'm highly satisfied with the way xxxterm works. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140613164824.094ff6d2@mydesk
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
Lisi Reisz writes: > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just > too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel > first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > Lisi Lisi, it seems that all you really want is to browse all these sites, right? Why don't you install the most fresh iceweasel's version from wheezy-backports as Mozilla Debian Team recommends[1]? [1] http://mozilla.debian.net/ pgpf836JnNehH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Fri, 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: Subject: Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy. To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, June 13, 2014, 9:01 AM https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login I can't login on this one. There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the basket). Here is an example of that: http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests Have you tried in safe-mode? Maybe an addon is the culprit. This is pretty standard diagnostic procedure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1402683439.69881.yahoomailba...@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 10:34:57, The Wanderer wrote: > On 06/13/2014 10:01 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the > > basket). Here is an example of that: > > > > http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests > > ...but I was able to add that item (size 14-16) to the basket without > issues, and looking at the basket afterwards confirmed that it was > present. This is with iceweasel 24.5.0esr-1; 24.6.0 is now in > stable/updates, and testing is on 29 (they've moved off the ESR > channel for some reason). > > Adding that item to the basket does require that you select a size > first, at which point some JS routine enables the "add to basket" > button. But I presume you already took that into account. I didn't. Works fine here with dwb, didn't bother to test with iceweasel since you already confirmed it works. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 15:01:05 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: Hello Lisi, >There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the >basket). Here is an example of that: >http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests Works for me, using Iceweasel 30.0. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" We don't give a damn One Chord Wonders - The Adverts signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/13/2014 10:01 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 13 June 2014 11:57:18 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Vi, 13 iun 14, 10:21:54, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >>> I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( >>> Just too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall >>> Iceweasel first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. >> >> Do you have all updates? Wheezy currently has 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 >> (via the security archive). Could you give an example of a site >> that won't work for you? > > https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login > > I can't login on this one. I don't have a login there (and can't be bothered to find out what getting one would involve, at least at the moment), so I can't test that... > There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the > basket). Here is an example of that: > > http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests ...but I was able to add that item (size 14-16) to the basket without issues, and looking at the basket afterwards confirmed that it was present. This is with iceweasel 24.5.0esr-1; 24.6.0 is now in stable/updates, and testing is on 29 (they've moved off the ESR channel for some reason). Adding that item to the basket does require that you select a size first, at which point some JS routine enables the "add to basket" button. But I presume you already took that into account. I did have to allow scripts from quite a few domains first, since I use NoScript. I didn't bother trying to narrow it down to the minimum list of exactly which domains were needed, but it worked in the end. Are you sure it isn't some part of your local Iceweasel configuration that's the issue here? If the issue is in your profile somewhere, then unless you discard your existing profile when moving to Firefox, it's entirely possible that an official Firefox install would have the same problems - and if discarding the profile would fix it, then you could just as easily do that while remaining with Iceweasel. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTmwwRAAoJEASpNY00KDJrG3AP/j4u4knKVnbFzpOwpue5RK5G Kv3g9y66yZtZUkxDqSnDlYEHw8M27LQdOoNH16AJy1HxNQkm1IlAQOAqWh4dJ2Vn CAOmIQVwvDjbaKtgqLT8NhD60qWcbmaBQ4CnNHAMK1YQBKqTCBJgFTw4Y1q/LwvA 8KPwE/7DqQcP4toQZIY0olq22mUzbgWnLj+Hd8tDZb+0/gH2F6pr9/vtrYjzVMeS xG7sg2I0mAcRHv/ePUQnO1fiyMaEVwYmp7zeEvJ5KW73z26bGoJknNjub71BYAEX AyoxC1zQld88wKnvgTXQGEaKsIfE3fQftngivATK3pIHCZGdzeQpFJhLfb9Kx5jW HbXSh/GfmG0iyy90fEs5dWBWLv+f9N3q4ZQ/hC73pL6SNGiXzeF99pgfCvzFePaD FP/hyl/Bsy3XRcj5fNElpHYA71w0Rpu3qPQoP8mQyQ9RAQkT0QZTAvf6LNWaRXeT uEsLPWzQSDxh0fRqFNDmfVddMxg2Erj5dW+1U12m21cezRAjmzciaBycevxWI9c/ AkOhWc/cp3rJ9xRpBh9o8qnUETELf2z3S8PS7RJ7KDc5I3hKKckSza3sI59ffTF1 HtD+dmmv4cUgyZRNA3bulH0LVExxlx254+6G6xqzrQbE/V42vico4L1Gb7HltUqZ SEC7CNSCYhar5xiWRiix =D+Qp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/539b0c11.90...@fastmail.fm
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 15:01:05, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login > > I can't login on this one. Neither can I, but then I don't have credentials for it :p, but if I provide some random credentials I get replies (e.g. "Sorry, that's not quite right"). I tried this with iceweasel and chromium in unstable. > There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the basket). > Here is an example of that: > > http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests This I can reproduce as well, with both Chromium and Iceweasel. Hope this helps, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday 13 June 2014 11:57:18 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Do you have all updates? Wheezy currently has 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 (via > the security archive). Sorry, I didn't answer that bit. I have: Version: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1 according to . And 24.5.0 according to Iceweasel itself. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406131509.19950.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday 13 June 2014 11:57:18 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 13 iun 14, 10:21:54, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too > > many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or > > can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > Do you have all updates? Wheezy currently has 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 (via > the security archive). Could you give an example of a site that won't > work for you? https://beta.ovoenergy.com/login I can't login on this one. There are many sites on which I can't shop (can't put things in the basket). Here is an example of that: http://www.damart.co.uk/F-10068-thermal-tops/P-63701--pack-of-2-french-neck-vests I have already installed Chrome and when I am stuck in Iceweasel I try in Chrome. Until recently, that policy has always worked, but no longer. So it isn't that I can't display them. So far I have no trouble with that. But I can't interact with them. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406131501.05851.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 04:38:16, Rusi Mody wrote: > > The way I do it, every time apt 'upgrades' iceweasel I run the > following script. > > Assumes firefox (direct download) is in /opt/firefox > > -- > $ cat bin/firefox-afterUpgrade > # replace iceweasel by forefox > # should be run after an iceweasel upgrade > # from http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html > # Assuming downloaded into /opt > > # Only needs to be done once -- the first time > > mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-iw ## just in case you still need iw > ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox > > The (small) downside I know is that you will see some diversion > warnings on upgrades that upgrade iw Might I suggest not touching the installed iceweasel and just ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /home//bin/firefox Because of this snippet in ~/.profile it will have the same effect, but won't be overwritten on upgrades: # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" fi Of course, you also have to make sure ~/.profile is sourced by your DM, otherwise you need to echo '. ~/.profile' >> .xsessionrc Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Friday, June 13, 2014 3:00:01 PM UTC+5:30, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too
> many
> sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have
> both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5.
I have been running this for the last couple of years without any (noticeable!)
problems.
What I say below is not a recommendation since I dont know the ins and
outs of it. OTOH it comes from http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html
who evidently knows considerably more than many on running debian
Problem is if you uninstall iceweasel many other packages that
require/expect a ('sensible') browser will reinstall it and/or open
something (usually a help page?) in some more weird browser (konkeror?)
So its important to keep iceweasel installed (as far as apt) is concerned
And to never use it as far as you are concerned.
The way I do it, every time apt 'upgrades' iceweasel I run the
following script.
Assumes firefox (direct download) is in /opt/firefox
--
$ cat bin/firefox-afterUpgrade
# replace iceweasel by forefox
# should be run after an iceweasel upgrade
# from http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1435.html
# Assuming downloaded into /opt
# Only needs to be done once -- the first time
mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox-iw ## just in case you still need iw
ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
The (small) downside I know is that you will see some diversion
warnings on upgrades that upgrade iw
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Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 10:21:54, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too > many > sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have > both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. Do you have all updates? Wheezy currently has 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2 (via the security archive). Could you give an example of a site that won't work for you? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On 2014-06-13, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( > Just too many > sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall > Iceweasel first or can I have > both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. > > Lisi > > Yes you can have both. Just install the Firefox version you prefer to /usr/local or /opt.(extract the tar.gz of the version you prefer, and copy the folder to /opt or /usr/local so there be no conflicts with package management system.) You should create a different profile for each version, also create a .desktop file for the version you install/copy or extracted into /usr/local or /opt. Download version you prefer: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ If you need more detailed info on how to do so, will check back on thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/c000f4f13d...@mid.individual.net
Re: Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
On 6/13/14, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( > Just too many sites won't talk to me. > Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I > have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. I have taken to installing Google Chrome for people - it's too much hassle to make everything work with IceWeasel that people expect. My philosophy on this - if a computer is going to get dirty, might as well go all in, and Google is the king at this point, so Chrome it is. If it don't work with Chrome, it ain't gonna work on GNU/Linux at all. As to your question - I have installed and run all three at the same time (at least on other peoples' computers - for me, I just make the sacrifices ongoingly, but I do understand that many people cannot suffer this). As a quick test, open a command line and run "firefox" - if it doesn't exist, then installing firefox "official" _should_ be ok. Good luck Lisi, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqfbx556vv2nqwr+jyzmjr2drm4bw1bz4r1xlsvs_c...@mail.gmail.com
Can Iceweasel and Firefox co-exist on Wheezy.
I am giving up in despair and I'm going to install Firefox. :-( Just too many sites won't talk to me. Do I need to uninstall Iceweasel first or can I have both? TDE 3.5.13.2 on Wheezy 7.5. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201406131021.54132.lisi.re...@gmail.com
