Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Jiri Baum]

Sergey wrote:
> The package route is still better, but you don't have to use dselect.

There's no problem about using dselect. Tell it you don't have a
Packages file, when it asks for the path to the main packages, give
it the path you have and tell it to 'scan' for packages. Make all
the other paths blank. 

The "Update" step will take a bit longer, because it has to open each
deb file and look into it, but not ridiculously so.

HTH

Jiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Brandon Mitchell]

On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

> Then I ran make zImage (takes awhile!) and it aborted with the following
> error:
> 
> as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s
> make[1]: as86: Command not found
> ***[bootsect.o] Error 127
> ***[zImage] Error 2

[EMAIL PROTECTED](pa):bhmit1$ dpkg -S as86
bin86: /usr/doc/bin86/examples/as86_encap
bin86: /usr/man/man1/as86.1.gz
bin86: /usr/bin/as86

So you need to install the bin86 package.

> Peeking into the Makefiles, I found as86 defined so:
> 
>   as86=$(CROSS_COMPILE)as86 -0 -a
> 
> but I was unable to find a def for CROSS_COMPILE.  I ran "find / *as86"
> and there were no files found.

You're cut and paste verifies that CROSS_COMPILE is undefined, otherwise,
there would have been something before as86.

HTH,
Brandon

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Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Jerry E. McGoveran]

First of all, thanks to everyone who responded.  Using dpkg is just what
I needed to do.

However, I now have run into a new problem.  I've installed the gcc, 
binutils, make and patch packages and their dependancies.  I patched
the 2.0.35 kernal.  I followed the instructions at the kernal.org 
website.  Ran make config, make dep, make clean.  No obvious problems
to this point.

Then I ran make zImage (takes awhile!) and it aborted with the following
error:

as86 -0 -a -o bootsect.o bootsect.s
make[1]: as86: Command not found
***[bootsect.o] Error 127
***[zImage] Error 2

Peeking into the Makefiles, I found as86 defined so:

as86=$(CROSS_COMPILE)as86 -0 -a

but I was unable to find a def for CROSS_COMPILE.  I ran "find / *as86"
and there were no files found.  Is there another package I need to
install?

Thanks for the help,

Jerry



At 08:19 AM 10/29/98 +0100, Helge Hafting wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/28/98 
>   at 12:53 PM, "Jerry E. McGoveran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>>I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
>>apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of the
>>installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst. menu too
>>fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and now I need to
>>update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a kernel (downloaded
>>2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install the gcc package
>>because I don't have network access in Linux - only under Win95.
>
>>My Linux installation has a 2.0.32 kernel with 2.0.34 drivers, and this
>>is probably why the drivers don't work.  I'm using the 2.0.32 kernel
>>because the 2.0.34 kernel wasn't working with my AHA2842 SCSI adapter.
>
>>Questions:
>
>>1)  Can I get there from here?
>Sure.
>
>>2)  How do I install a package assuming I can get the .deb files onto a
>>mounted filesystem?  Dselect asks for a series of directory pathnames,
>>and complains when it doesn't find various files and directories within
>>them.
>Use dpkg.  It is guaranteed to be installed, dselect itself use dpkg for
>installing packages. Use 
>dpkg -i /mountpoint/directories/package_filename.deb
>This is the manual way for installing debian packages, and the advantage 
>over installing tar-files is that the package management system is used. 
>Dependencies are checked, installation scripts are run, and everything is
>set up correctly in the proper directories.
>
>gcc and lots of other software is available as debian packages from
>www.debian.org
>
>>3)  Is there a direct way to update the kernel and/or drivers without
>>having to compile a kernel or use dselect?
>Dselect is not necessary.  It is an interface when dealing
>with the entire debian distribution.  (You don't want to
>run ftp and dpkg for each of 50 packages you may want to install.) I
>suggest getting gcc, kernel sources and the other utilities needed for
>development (make and such)  
>Then compile a 2.0.35 kernel with the drivers you need.  You may use
>dselect for installing further packages when the network is up and
>running. You can update the kernel by compiling it - or by getting a
>compiled kernel from someone else.  Compiling it yourself is easy though,
>and you can set it up for exactly the hardware you have.
>
>If you have cdrom consider getting the debian cd for about $2 from
>www.cheapbytes.com or similiar places.  It may save you a lot of time.
> 
>>4)  Should I give up on Debian and go buy the RedHat CD and hope for
>>better results?
>No need, but do as you wish.  
>
>>5)  Why did I want a Linux system in the first place?  :/
>It is certainly a good idea if you have a pc :-)
>
>Helge Hafting
>
>
>

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Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

 : At 06:37 PM 10/28/98 -0600, Andy Kennedy wrote:
 : >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:
 : >
 : >> I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
 : >> apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of
 : >> the installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst.
 : >> menu too fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and
 : >> now I need to update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a
 : >> kernel (downloaded 2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install
 : >> the gcc package because I don't have network access in Linux - only under
 : >> Win95.A
 : >
 : >Gcc is available at sunsite.unc.edu and most of the mirrors.  Download it
 : >w/ win95 and then use tar to "unpack" it.  
 : 
 : Oh.  I had assumed that it had to be installed via the package route.
 : Silly me.

That would be wiser.  Download the gcc deb via Win95 and use dpkg to
install it (dpkg -i)

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Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Kenneth Scharf]

You can always (under win95) go to the debian ftp site and download
any .deb package, then boot linux and mount the windows partition. 
Then cd to the directory with the .deb and do a dpkg -i filename.deb. 
My system has a windows partition, and I have that listed in my
/etc/fstab so it is mounted at bootup (I called that directory mount
point /C:).  If I do a full backup under linux, I also back up windows!
=
Oh.  I had assumed that it had to be installed via the package route.
Silly me.



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Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Helge Hafting]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 10/28/98 
   at 12:53 PM, "Jerry E. McGoveran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
>apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of the
>installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst. menu too
>fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and now I need to
>update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a kernel (downloaded
>2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install the gcc package
>because I don't have network access in Linux - only under Win95.

>My Linux installation has a 2.0.32 kernel with 2.0.34 drivers, and this
>is probably why the drivers don't work.  I'm using the 2.0.32 kernel
>because the 2.0.34 kernel wasn't working with my AHA2842 SCSI adapter.

>Questions:

>1)  Can I get there from here?
Sure.

>2)  How do I install a package assuming I can get the .deb files onto a
>mounted filesystem?  Dselect asks for a series of directory pathnames,
>and complains when it doesn't find various files and directories within
>them.
Use dpkg.  It is guaranteed to be installed, dselect itself use dpkg for
installing packages. Use 
dpkg -i /mountpoint/directories/package_filename.deb
This is the manual way for installing debian packages, and the advantage 
over installing tar-files is that the package management system is used. 
Dependencies are checked, installation scripts are run, and everything is
set up correctly in the proper directories.

gcc and lots of other software is available as debian packages from
www.debian.org

>3)  Is there a direct way to update the kernel and/or drivers without
>having to compile a kernel or use dselect?
Dselect is not necessary.  It is an interface when dealing
with the entire debian distribution.  (You don't want to
run ftp and dpkg for each of 50 packages you may want to install.) I
suggest getting gcc, kernel sources and the other utilities needed for
development (make and such)  
Then compile a 2.0.35 kernel with the drivers you need.  You may use
dselect for installing further packages when the network is up and
running. You can update the kernel by compiling it - or by getting a
compiled kernel from someone else.  Compiling it yourself is easy though,
and you can set it up for exactly the hardware you have.

If you have cdrom consider getting the debian cd for about $2 from
www.cheapbytes.com or similiar places.  It may save you a lot of time.
 
>4)  Should I give up on Debian and go buy the RedHat CD and hope for
>better results?
No need, but do as you wish.  

>5)  Why did I want a Linux system in the first place?  :/
It is certainly a good idea if you have a pc :-)

Helge Hafting

Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Sergey V Kovalyov]

On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

> At 06:37 PM 10/28/98 -0600, Andy Kennedy wrote:
> >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:
> >
> >> I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
> >> apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of
> >> the installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst.
> >> menu too fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and
> >> now I need to update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a
> >> kernel (downloaded 2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install
> >> the gcc package because I don't have network access in Linux - only under
> >> Win95.A
> >
> >Gcc is available at sunsite.unc.edu and most of the mirrors.  Download it
> >w/ win95 and then use tar to "unpack" it.  
> 
> Oh.  I had assumed that it had to be installed via the package route.
> Silly me.
> 
The package route is still better, but you don't have to use dselect.
Download packages using Win95, then mount vfat partition from within linux
and use "dpkg -i pakcagename.deb" to install it.

Sergey.

Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Jerry E. McGoveran]

At 06:37 PM 10/28/98 -0600, Andy Kennedy wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:
>
>> I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
>> apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of
>> the installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst.
>> menu too fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and
>> now I need to update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a
>> kernel (downloaded 2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install
>> the gcc package because I don't have network access in Linux - only under
>> Win95.A
>
>Gcc is available at sunsite.unc.edu and most of the mirrors.  Download it
>w/ win95 and then use tar to "unpack" it.  

Oh.  I had assumed that it had to be installed via the package route.
Silly me.

Thanks for the help!

-Jerry



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Re: Catch-22 - Help!

[Andy Kennedy]

On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jerry E. McGoveran wrote:

> I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
> apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of
> the installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst.
> menu too fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and
> now I need to update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a
> kernel (downloaded 2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install
> the gcc package because I don't have network access in Linux - only under
> Win95.A

Gcc is available at sunsite.unc.edu and most of the mirrors.  Download it
w/ win95 and then use tar to "unpack" it.  

> My Linux installation has a 2.0.32 kernel with 2.0.34 drivers, and this is
> probably why the drivers don't work.  I'm using the 2.0.32 kernel because
> the 2.0.34 kernel wasn't working with my AHA2842 SCSI adapter.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1)  Can I get there from here?

Yes.

> 2)  How do I install a package assuming I can get the .deb files onto a
> mounted filesystem?  Dselect asks for a series of directory pathnames,
> and complains when it doesn't find various files and directories within
> them.

Why not just use the tar.gz files?  You do have tar/gz don't you?  Also,
these are available at sunsite.unc.edu.  Use 'make' to configure the
kernel.  If you have X-Windows, then you can use a really nice GUI.  Goto
the directory /usr/src/linux and type 'make xconfig;make dep;make clean'
_AFTER_ you have installed gcc.  The kernel 2.0.35 has an okay version of
aic7xxx, you may want to apply the patch.  

> 3)  Is there a direct way to update the kernel and/or drivers without
> having to compile a kernel or use dselect?

Notice above.

> 4)  Should I give up on Debian and go buy the RedHat CD and hope for better
> results?

Jumping out of the pot into the fire w/ RedHat (my opinion).

> 5)  Why did I want a Linux system in the first place?  :/

Linux is a very powerful OS, if you can use UNIX.  Your machine is
completely under your control w/ most versions of Linux.  RedHat is more a
install/setup themselves kind of people.  Some of the "usual" files are
replaced w/ RedHat dependant stuff.


Hope this info is (a) correct and (b) helpful.


wuff,
andy

Catch-22 - Help!

[Jerry E. McGoveran]

I have a Debian installation in which the ethernet card driver is
apparently not installed.  There were some errors at this stage of
the installation process, but the screen drew and reset to the inst.
menu too fast to read anything.  I finished the installation, and
now I need to update the kernel and the drivers.  I can't compile a
kernel (downloaded 2.0.35 src) because I don't have gcc.  I can't install
the gcc package because I don't have network access in Linux - only under
Win95.

My Linux installation has a 2.0.32 kernel with 2.0.34 drivers, and this is
probably why the drivers don't work.  I'm using the 2.0.32 kernel because
the 2.0.34 kernel wasn't working with my AHA2842 SCSI adapter.

Questions:

1)  Can I get there from here?
2)  How do I install a package assuming I can get the .deb files onto a
mounted filesystem?  Dselect asks for a series of directory pathnames,
and complains when it doesn't find various files and directories within
them.
3)  Is there a direct way to update the kernel and/or drivers without
having to compile a kernel or use dselect?
4)  Should I give up on Debian and go buy the RedHat CD and hope for better
results?
5)  Why did I want a Linux system in the first place?  :/

Advance appreciation for any and all help offered!

-Jerry



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