Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 06:01 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 12:51 PM Richard Owlett  wrote:


My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.


Michel Verdier provided a good suggestion with
.


Yes. I did a duckduckgo  search of the archives and found some Kate 
related posts. None for a few years. I haven't had a chance yet to read 
those posts.

I have subscribed.



Reddit communities are another source of support. r/kde looks like it
has Kate related discussions.


My browser is SeaMonkey and have it configured for my needs.
I haven't yet found a compatible usable browser viewed forum.
Part of the reason I specified "mailing list or USENET group" ;}




I prefer Reddit over Stack Exchange. I find the Stack Exchange is
mostly full of low quality crap.

Jeff

Reviving Usenet Was: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[John Hasler]

Max writes:
> Gnus (Emacs) should be a bit more than just text UI.

Yes, of course Gnus: it's what I use. But there is no point in
mentioning anything connected with Emacs when talking about enticing
people away from Facebook et al even though it is actually quite easy to
use these days.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Max Nikulin]

On 09/07/2024 23:15, John Hasler wrote:

I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
Even easier might be a browser plugin.


Thunderbird supports NNTP and likely Claws as well. Gnus (Emacs) should 
be a bit more than just text UI.


I am in doubts what you mean by "browser plugin", but Chromium blocks 
nntp: URI scheme. Perhaps it was done to prevent DDoS attacks on news 
servers using malicious sites.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 12:51 PM Richard Owlett  wrote:
>
> My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
> KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.
>
> In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
> Others must have the same general problem.

Michel Verdier provided a good suggestion with
.

Reddit communities are another source of support. r/kde looks like it
has Kate related discussions.

I prefer Reddit over Stack Exchange. I find the Stack Exchange is
mostly full of low quality crap.

Jeff

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[eben]

On 7/9/24 16:32, cgi...@surfnaked.ca wrote:


On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 18:20:01 +0200, John Hasler  wrote:

 > I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
 > Even easier might be a browser plugin.

The Pan newsreader does the job nicely and is about as graphical
as you'd want to get.  Although I normally use slrn for Usenet,
I switch to Pan when downloading from binaries groups.


Agreed, when I did Usenet I used Pan for binaries and trn for text.

--
Scientist A: A matterbaby is a very unstable particle.
Scientist B: What's a matterbaby?
Scientist A: I'm doing fine honey, how you doing? -- mrshowrules on Fark

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[cgibbs]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 18:20:01 +0200, John Hasler  
wrote:


> I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
> Even easier might be a browser plugin.

The Pan newsreader does the job nicely and is about as graphical
as you'd want to get.  Although I normally use slrn for Usenet,
I switch to Pan when downloading from binaries groups.  It knits
together multi-part binaries posts (e.g. with yEnc encoding),
and has a nice mechanism for queueing multiple downloads.
I've probably downloaded a terabyte or two with it.

http://pan.rebelbase.com

--
/~\  Charlie Gibbs  |  We'll go down in history as
\ /|  the first society that wouldn't
X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus |  save itself because it wasn't
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |  cost-effective.  -- Kurt 
Vonnegut

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 12:30 PM, Van Snyder wrote:

On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 07:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.


This is somewhat tangential to the main question, but I find that nedit
has everything I need. If you can't find a forum for Kate, try using
nedit. Maybe it already does what you want to discuss.



Its sort of the opposite situation. Kate is doing so well for me as a 
newbie user that one would think it was designed with my project in 
mind. I just want to fully exploit it. The manual is not that great.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 12:25 PM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:

Richard Owlett  wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
for KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.
  
Did you look at https://kate-editor.org/support/ ?





That give a link to the developers' list. Browsing its archives was not 
encouraging.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Van Snyder]

On Tue, 2024-07-09 at 07:55 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
> for 
> KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

This is somewhat tangential to the main question, but I find that nedit
has everything I need. If you can't find a forum for Kate, try using
nedit. Maybe it already does what you want to discuss.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[debian-user]

Richard Owlett  wrote:
> My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group
> for KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.
> 
> In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
> Others must have the same general problem.
 
Did you look at https://kate-editor.org/support/ ?

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 09:06 AM, Sirius wrote:

On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.


I was going to suggest comp.editors, but then I recognised your name. :-D


In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.


In general, I leverage presearch or duckduckgo to find something,
anything, pertinent relating to what I am researching. If I find a good
resource, I bookmark it so that I have it to hand.

Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you ads
than they are solving your problem. Also, Usenet is older, so Kate is
perhaps too modern for there to be a dedicated usenet group for it. You
could check in one of the news.* groups if there is any objection to
creating a comp.editors.kate group. The tricky part is that every usenet
server out there needs to be told there is a new group and then take
action to start carrying it. It could take weeks, or months, before a new
group have proper reach.

Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would
create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one?

Personally, I am happy that you at least considered Usenet as a route to
potentially receive help. Not many these days would have. If the group
gets created, I will carry it on my little server.


USENET is the first place I go. I'm so old that I used an acoustic 
coupler when connecting to a RBBS with my CPM system ;}

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 08:59 AM, Michel Verdier wrote:

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:


When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely solution. I
just don't know how to find suitable list.


Did you try the general KDE mailinglist?
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde




I don't recall having seen that site. I did a duckduckgo search of its 
archives and got a few hits. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[John Hasler]

Sirius writes:
> Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
> people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you
> ads than they are solving your problem.

Not as long as browsers fail to support it and the myth that it cannot
handle anything but plain text persists. That's a Big Eight rule, not a
limitation on the software.  It is obsolete and should be dropped.  It
doesn't even apply to the alt hierarchy.

NNTP is a peer-to-peer protocol: you also don't need centralized
servers. In the old days it took a T1 and a VAX but now anyone with a
laptop, a fixed IP (or IPV6) and Starlink or fiber could outperform
IHNP4.

I don't think a graphical Usenet client exists but it easily could.
Even easier might be a browser plugin.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Bret Busby]

On 9/7/24 22:06, Sirius wrote:

On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.







Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would
create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one >


If you want to create a mailing list, yourself, with free hosting (for 
up to 100 subscribers), you might want to investigate groups.io; 
https://groups.io where mailing lists can be set up for most topics.


Users' mailing lists exist there for Thunderbird and Firefox, and, 
mailing lists are relatively easy to create and maintain, there.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Sirius]

On tis, 2024/07/09 at 07:55:28 GMT, Richard Owlett wrote:
> My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for
> KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.

I was going to suggest comp.editors, but then I recognised your name. :-D

> In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
> Others must have the same general problem.

In general, I leverage presearch or duckduckgo to find something,
anything, pertinent relating to what I am researching. If I find a good
resource, I bookmark it so that I have it to hand.

Usenet is rather quiet these days, something I hope will change once
people tire of web-forums that is more preoccupied with showing you ads
than they are solving your problem. Also, Usenet is older, so Kate is
perhaps too modern for there to be a dedicated usenet group for it. You
could check in one of the news.* groups if there is any objection to
creating a comp.editors.kate group. The tricky part is that every usenet
server out there needs to be told there is a new group and then take
action to start carrying it. It could take weeks, or months, before a new
group have proper reach.

Mailing lists, well.. You could ask Debian Project nicely if they would
create a list for the audience you seek if there isn't one already. Or
check with the KDE project if they have a dedicated list for Kate and if
not, would they be happy to create one?

Personally, I am happy that you at least considered Usenet as a route to
potentially receive help. Not many these days would have. If the group
gets created, I will carry it on my little server.

-- 
Kind regards,

/S

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Michel Verdier]

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

> When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely solution. I
> just don't know how to find suitable list.

Did you try the general KDE mailinglist?
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

On 07/09/2024 08:25 AM, Michel Verdier wrote:

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:


In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?


For usenet you can search the active file of your server.
I was using news.eternal-september.org
Subscribe to some groups and see if someone respond. But usenet is almost
dead nowadays :/





I've been on eternal-september for some time and find comp.editors 
contributors giving good information. But, as you said, USENET activity 
is marginal. Also no Kate users active on that list.


When posting, I assumed a mailing list would be the more likely 
solution. I just don't know how to find suitable list.


Thanks for trying.

Re: How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Michel Verdier]

On 2024-07-09, Richard Owlett wrote:

> In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?

For usenet you can search the active file of your server.
I was using news.eternal-september.org
Subscribe to some groups and see if someone respond. But usenet is almost
dead nowadays :/

How to find suitable mailing list or USENET group

[Richard Owlett]

My particular problem is finding an active user oriented list/group for 
KDE's Kate editor. All I found is a developers' list.


In general, how does one find a suitable mailing list or USENET group?
Others must have the same general problem.