Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Celejar]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 16:42:41 -0800
David Christensen  wrote:

> On 11/4/18 7:25 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 23:09:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> >> ... I researched commercial products, asked around on Linux and
> >> BSD lists, and bought Ubiquiti Networks UniFi stuff: ...
> > 
> > Most of the eye-watering prices have 3 or 4 figures.
> 
> Checking prices on amazon.com and ubnt.com:
> 
> - Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway $119.00
> 
> - Ubiquiti Unifi Ap-AC Lite $77.90
> 
> - UniFi SDN Controller 5.9.29 for Debian/Ubuntu Linux $Free-as-in-Beer
> 
> Total: $196.90
> 
> 
> The mini-ITX boxes are still too expensive:
> 
> - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KB5YCK/ $279.95
> 
> - WiFi AP $???
> 
> - pfSense 2.4.4 $Free-as-in-Freedom
> 
> Total: $279.95 + Access Point
> 
> 
> The Netgate SG-1000 microFirewall Security Appliance with pfSense has a 
> very aggressive price:
> 
> - https://store.netgate.com/SG-1000.aspx $149.00
> 
> - WiFi AP $???
> 
> - pfSense included $Free-as-in-Freedom
> 
> Total: $149.00 + Access Point

Or (depending on one's specific needs, of course), just get something
from one of these threads:

https://forum.openwrt.org/t/best-wireless-ac-router-for-lede/24551
https://forum.openwrt.org/t/whats-your-favourite-cheap-lede-openwrt-device/1362

It helps to enjoy tinkering and DIY, of course ;)

> If you have ever tried to configure multiple routers and AP's in 
> multiple LAN's connected by VPN's over the Internet, each via it's own 
> web interface, UniFi's proposition becomes very appealing.

Using OpenWrt devices, you can use the cli in addition the
(standardized) web interface.

> Right now, I only have one router and one AP on my LAN.  Even for my 
> tiny installation, UniFi is better than my previous high-end consumer/ 
> low-end professional Netgear products.  If and when I need to support 
> remote LAN's over VPN's, UniFi should only get better.

I know that the possibility of bricking devices when flashing alternate
firmware was mentioned earlier in this thread, but if you get devices
with solid OpenWrt support, flashing is quite easy and safe, and it's
amazing what you can do with them once they're running OpenWrt.

Celejar

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Wright]

On Sun 04 Nov 2018 at 16:42:41 (-0800), David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/4/18 7:25 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 23:09:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> > > ... I researched commercial products, asked around on Linux and
> > > BSD lists, and bought Ubiquiti Networks UniFi stuff: ...
> > 
> > Most of the eye-watering prices have 3 or 4 figures.
> 
> Checking prices on amazon.com and ubnt.com:
> […]
> Total: $196.90
> […]
> Total: $279.95 + Access Point
> […]
> Total: $149.00 + Access Point

… and my router cost $38.10 at Walmart (May 2018 prices).

> > Wouldn't it be "strange" to be running this enterprise-grade kit on a
> > home LAN?
> 
> As I understand it, UniFi's value proposition is that their "Software
> Defined Network" is better/ faster/ cheaper to configure, operate, and
> maintain for large, multi-site, wired, and wireless network
> installations.

Perhaps I'll be able to call my house multi-site if/when I run a router
in each half. :)

> If you have ever tried to configure multiple routers and AP's in
> multiple LAN's connected by VPN's over the Internet, each via it's own
> web interface, UniFi's proposition becomes very appealing.

Yes, that sounds like enterprise-scale.

> Right now, I only have one router and one AP on my LAN.  Even for my
> tiny installation, UniFi is better than my previous high-end consumer/
> low-end professional Netgear products.  If and when I need to support
> remote LAN's over VPN's, UniFi should only get better.

I think I'll rest assured that there's nothing "strange" about the
setup that I described apart, perhaps, from the amount of money I'm
prepared to spend on it, which is the minimum to provide the
functionality I need, listed earlier.

Cheers,
David.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Christensen]

On 11/4/18 7:25 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 23:09:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:

... I researched commercial products, asked around on Linux and
BSD lists, and bought Ubiquiti Networks UniFi stuff: ...


Most of the eye-watering prices have 3 or 4 figures.


Checking prices on amazon.com and ubnt.com:

- Ubiquiti Unifi Security Gateway $119.00

- Ubiquiti Unifi Ap-AC Lite $77.90

- UniFi SDN Controller 5.9.29 for Debian/Ubuntu Linux $Free-as-in-Beer

Total: $196.90


The mini-ITX boxes are still too expensive:

- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008KB5YCK/ $279.95

- WiFi AP $???

- pfSense 2.4.4 $Free-as-in-Freedom

Total: $279.95 + Access Point


The Netgate SG-1000 microFirewall Security Appliance with pfSense has a 
very aggressive price:


- https://store.netgate.com/SG-1000.aspx $149.00

- WiFi AP $???

- pfSense included $Free-as-in-Freedom

Total: $149.00 + Access Point



Wouldn't it be "strange" to be running this enterprise-grade kit on a
home LAN?


As I understand it, UniFi's value proposition is that their "Software 
Defined Network" is better/ faster/ cheaper to configure, operate, and 
maintain for large, multi-site, wired, and wireless network installations.



If you have ever tried to configure multiple routers and AP's in 
multiple LAN's connected by VPN's over the Internet, each via it's own 
web interface, UniFi's proposition becomes very appealing.



Right now, I only have one router and one AP on my LAN.  Even for my 
tiny installation, UniFi is better than my previous high-end consumer/ 
low-end professional Netgear products.  If and when I need to support 
remote LAN's over VPN's, UniFi should only get better.



David

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Wright]

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 23:09:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/2/18 8:49 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 20:11:03 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> > > On 11/2/18 6:24 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 07:05:16 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > > > BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would 
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is 
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
> > > > > > address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but 
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
> > > > > > hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that
> > > > > you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not
> > > > > something that needs to be in a general guide.
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with that sentiment. But what is strange about my setup?
> > > > Perhaps you can help me find a less idiosyncratic way.
> > > > 
> > > > Condition #1: All devices at home must be addressable by name.
> > > > Condition #2: Several devices cannot have a static IP address assigned.
> > > > For example, this PC is 192.168.1.17 at home. Currently it is 
> > > > 172.20.5.105;
> > > > last night it was 10.0.27.15.
> > > > 
> > > > So at home, all the IP addresses are assigned by the router using the
> > > > devices' MACs. The computers use /etc/hosts to look up other devices.
> > > > The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for their configuration.
> > > > 
> > > > What would you change?
> > > 
> > > Buy or build a router with a caching name server that integrates with
> > > the DHCP server.  Configure the LAN devices to use DHCP.  Set DHCP
> > > fixed leases on the router for devices that require a static IP.
> > 
> > You misunderstood my question. I'm meant to have done something
> > "strange" with my network and wanted to know how to "rectify" the
> > situation, not how to throw cash at it.
> > 
> > BTW all the devices are currently configured using DHCP; that's what
> > I meant by "assigned by the router".
> 
> What is strange is that your router does not have a caching name
> server that integrates with the DHCP server.

Eh? None of the consumer-grade routers that I've run have had any DNS
server, but they have all had a DHCP service.

> This is a common and
> useful feature.

… which you pay for with a more expensive device.

> Not having it forces work-around's like putting LAN
> host IP's into the /etc/hosts files of every other LAN host, which is
> a PITA to maintain.

It might be for you. Propogating it from my master copy is trivial
(with the right scripts), and updating it is hardly onerous when there
are fewer than two changes per year over the last five years.

> Alternatively, implement your own integrated DHCP
> server and caching DNS server.
> 
> Low-cost solutions include:
> 
> 1.  Router appliance -- re-flashing the firmware with a FOSS firmware
> distribution like DD-WRT.
> 
> 2.  Home-brew router using a PC -- installing a second NIC and a Linux
> or BSD router distribution like IPCop or pfSense.

So the general opinion held around here is that it's "strange" not to
adopt one of these solutions on a home LAN. Really?

> I tried the former on an older Netgear device and it worked.  But when
> I later tried to flash an upgrade, I bricked it.

Great, just what I want to do. Not.

> I ran home-brew PC routers for years.  This approach gives you the
> most control, and pfSense rocks.  But, I burned up a lot of energy,
> made a lot of noise, and generated a lot of heat.  Unfortunately, ITX
> PC's with dual NIC's are too expensive.

Fine if someone else is paying the electricity and AC bills.

> So, I researched commercial products, asked around on Linux and BSD
> lists, and bought Ubiquiti Networks UniFi stuff:
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-routing/usg/
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/
> 
> 
> I run the UniFi SDN Controller server on Debian:
> 
> https://www.ubnt.com/download/unifi/

Most of the eye-watering prices have 3 or 4 figures. Wouldn't it be
"strange" to be running this enterprise-grade kit on a home LAN?

> What do you mean by "The non-"computers" use the router's IP address
> for their configuration"?

The wireless ones need the SSID and PSK but the wired ones are
directly or indirectly connected to the router. However, the printer
(using WiFi) tries to set up some sort of ad hoc networking which
screws things up. IIRC (I'm not at home) I have to point it at the
router's address in some way. But these things are never well
documented; you're either meant to follow instructions on a tiny
display or be using some Windows or Mac software.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 05:24:29PM +, Curt wrote:

Actually the fonts-hack package doesn't exist here.

I do find, however:

fonts-hack-otf - Typeface designed for source code, OpenType fonts
fonts-hack-ttf - Typeface designed for source code, TrueType fonts
fonts-hack-web - Typeface designed for source code, Web fonts


Sorry, I forgot it was still like that in stretch. Go with 
fonts-hack-ttf

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Curt]

On 2018-11-03, Michael Stone  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 01:54:32AM +, mick crane wrote:
>>On 2018-11-02 11:15, Michael Stone wrote:
>>>On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 07:58:23AM +, mick crane wrote:
The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.
>>>
>>>That's still a font selection issue--in the font I'm using it's hard
>>>to confuse the two. (l has an arc of stem to the bottom right, 1 has
>>>straight bilateral serifs. l has a straight left serif on the
>>>ascender, 1 has an angled serif.)
>>
>>well I don't know.
>>what font you use then. ?
>
> Two packages to check out are fonts-hack and fonts-go
>
>

Actually the fonts-hack package doesn't exist here.

I do find, however:

fonts-hack-otf - Typeface designed for source code, OpenType fonts
fonts-hack-ttf - Typeface designed for source code, TrueType fonts
fonts-hack-web - Typeface designed for source code, Web fonts

fonts-go is good to go, though.

I'm personally using andale in an xterm and have no problems
distinguishing between the l as in Louise and the 1 as in wonderful.

(I must've installed the Microsoft ttf core fonts quite a while back,
because my memory of that event is vague. I was unaware of the existence
of fonts-hack* until a moment ago.)

-- 
When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you
climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
--Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 01:54:32AM +, mick crane wrote:

On 2018-11-02 11:15, Michael Stone wrote:

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 07:58:23AM +, mick crane wrote:

The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.


That's still a font selection issue--in the font I'm using it's hard
to confuse the two. (l has an arc of stem to the bottom right, 1 has
straight bilateral serifs. l has a straight left serif on the
ascender, 1 has an angled serif.)


well I don't know.
what font you use then. ?


Two packages to check out are fonts-hack and fonts-go

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Christensen]

On 11/2/18 8:49 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 20:11:03 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:

On 11/2/18 6:24 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 07:05:16 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote:

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)


If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that
you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not
something that needs to be in a general guide.


I agree with that sentiment. But what is strange about my setup?
Perhaps you can help me find a less idiosyncratic way.

Condition #1: All devices at home must be addressable by name.
Condition #2: Several devices cannot have a static IP address assigned.
For example, this PC is 192.168.1.17 at home. Currently it is 172.20.5.105;
last night it was 10.0.27.15.

So at home, all the IP addresses are assigned by the router using the
devices' MACs. The computers use /etc/hosts to look up other devices.
The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for their configuration.

What would you change?


Buy or build a router with a caching name server that integrates with
the DHCP server.  Configure the LAN devices to use DHCP.  Set DHCP
fixed leases on the router for devices that require a static IP.


You misunderstood my question. I'm meant to have done something
"strange" with my network and wanted to know how to "rectify" the
situation, not how to throw cash at it.

BTW all the devices are currently configured using DHCP; that's what
I meant by "assigned by the router".


What is strange is that your router does not have a caching name server 
that integrates with the DHCP server.  This is a common and useful 
feature.  Not having it forces work-around's like putting LAN host IP's 
into the /etc/hosts files of every other LAN host, which is a PITA to 
maintain.  Alternatively, implement your own integrated DHCP server and 
caching DNS server.



Low-cost solutions include:

1.  Router appliance -- re-flashing the firmware with a FOSS firmware 
distribution like DD-WRT.


2.  Home-brew router using a PC -- installing a second NIC and a Linux 
or BSD router distribution like IPCop or pfSense.



I tried the former on an older Netgear device and it worked.  But when I 
later tried to flash an upgrade, I bricked it.



I ran home-brew PC routers for years.  This approach gives you the most 
control, and pfSense rocks.  But, I burned up a lot of energy, made a 
lot of noise, and generated a lot of heat.  Unfortunately, ITX PC's with 
dual NIC's are too expensive.



So, I researched commercial products, asked around on Linux and BSD 
lists, and bought Ubiquiti Networks UniFi stuff:


https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-routing/usg/

https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/


I run the UniFi SDN Controller server on Debian:

https://www.ubnt.com/download/unifi/


What do you mean by "The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for 
their configuration"?



David

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Joe Pfeiffer]

mick crane  writes:

> On 2018-11-01 17:57, Michael Stone wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
>>> Under enp3so I see only BROADCAST and MULTICAST, no UP or DOWN. Thanks
>>
>> That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should be
>> enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there should be
>> either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming that's all
>> right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".
>
> I have to do a double check with "l" and "1" and "0" and "O", there
> ought to be some way to avoid that.

We live in a world in which our parents' typewriters had no "1" key,
since it looked just like "l".  We need to adapt to that world, and
check.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Wright]

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 20:11:03 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/2/18 6:24 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 07:05:16 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
> > > > relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
> > > > the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
> > > > address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
> > > > machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
> > > > hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)
> > > 
> > > If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that
> > > you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not
> > > something that needs to be in a general guide.
> > 
> > I agree with that sentiment. But what is strange about my setup?
> > Perhaps you can help me find a less idiosyncratic way.
> > 
> > Condition #1: All devices at home must be addressable by name.
> > Condition #2: Several devices cannot have a static IP address assigned.
> > For example, this PC is 192.168.1.17 at home. Currently it is 172.20.5.105;
> > last night it was 10.0.27.15.
> > 
> > So at home, all the IP addresses are assigned by the router using the
> > devices' MACs. The computers use /etc/hosts to look up other devices.
> > The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for their configuration.
> > 
> > What would you change?
> 
> Buy or build a router with a caching name server that integrates with
> the DHCP server.  Configure the LAN devices to use DHCP.  Set DHCP
> fixed leases on the router for devices that require a static IP.

You misunderstood my question. I'm meant to have done something
"strange" with my network and wanted to know how to "rectify" the
situation, not how to throw cash at it.

BTW all the devices are currently configured using DHCP; that's what
I meant by "assigned by the router".

Cheers,
David.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Christensen]

On 11/2/18 6:24 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 07:05:16 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote:

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)


If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that
you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not
something that needs to be in a general guide.


I agree with that sentiment. But what is strange about my setup?
Perhaps you can help me find a less idiosyncratic way.

Condition #1: All devices at home must be addressable by name.
Condition #2: Several devices cannot have a static IP address assigned.
For example, this PC is 192.168.1.17 at home. Currently it is 172.20.5.105;
last night it was 10.0.27.15.

So at home, all the IP addresses are assigned by the router using the
devices' MACs. The computers use /etc/hosts to look up other devices.
The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for their configuration.

What would you change?


Buy or build a router with a caching name server that integrates with 
the DHCP server.  Configure the LAN devices to use DHCP.  Set DHCP fixed 
leases on the router for devices that require a static IP.



David

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[mick crane]

On 2018-11-02 11:15, Michael Stone wrote:

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 07:58:23AM +, mick crane wrote:

The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.


That's still a font selection issue--in the font I'm using it's hard
to confuse the two. (l has an arc of stem to the bottom right, 1 has
straight bilateral serifs. l has a straight left serif on the
ascender, 1 has an angled serif.)


well I don't know.
what font you use then. ?
what I do is paste into a text editor and compare fonts if think that is 
why not working because I confused my "O"s with my "l"'s

--
Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Wright]

On Fri 02 Nov 2018 at 07:05:16 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
> > relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
> > the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
> > address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
> > machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
> > hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)
> 
> If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that
> you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not
> something that needs to be in a general guide.

I agree with that sentiment. But what is strange about my setup?
Perhaps you can help me find a less idiosyncratic way.

Condition #1: All devices at home must be addressable by name.
Condition #2: Several devices cannot have a static IP address assigned.
For example, this PC is 192.168.1.17 at home. Currently it is 172.20.5.105;
last night it was 10.0.27.15.

So at home, all the IP addresses are assigned by the router using the
devices' MACs. The computers use /etc/hosts to look up other devices.
The non-"computers" use the router's IP address for their configuration.

What would you change?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 07:58:23AM +, mick crane wrote:

The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.


That's still a font selection issue--in the font I'm using it's hard to 
confuse the two. (l has an arc of stem to the bottom right, 1 has 
straight bilateral serifs. l has a straight left serif on the ascender, 
1 has an angled serif.)

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:12:36PM -0500, David Wright wrote:

BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)


If you do something strange on your network, the assumption is that 
you're responsible for updating it for new machines. It's not something 
that needs to be in a general guide.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Curt]

On 2018-11-02, mick crane  wrote:
> On 2018-11-02 07:37, Felix Miata wrote:
>> mick crane composed on 2018-11-02 07:22 (UTC):
>> 
>>> I have to do a double check with "l" and "1" and "0" and "O", there
>>> ought to be some way to avoid that.
>> 
>> Font selection can make a big difference:
>> 
>>  http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html
>
> The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.
> maybe if l at the end of a filename use L

When I spell my name over the phone to various interlocutors who have
trouble either with my foreign patronym, my foreign accent, or both, I
say "l" as in Louise.

I often wonder if it's uncomfortable for Louise to have an l in her
like that, but whatever. 

The creative possibilities of this system are quite large and allow you
to slyly express any number of notions under seemingly innocent
orthographic cover.

-- 
When you have fever you are heavy and light, you are small and swollen, you
climb endlessly a ladder which turns like a wheel. 
--Jean Rhys, Voyage in the Dark

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[mick crane]

On 2018-11-02 07:37, Felix Miata wrote:

mick crane composed on 2018-11-02 07:22 (UTC):


I have to do a double check with "l" and "1" and "0" and "O", there
ought to be some way to avoid that.


Font selection can make a big difference:

http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html


The 0 with a line through it helps but l still looks like 1.
maybe if l at the end of a filename use L
--
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Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Felix Miata]

mick crane composed on 2018-11-02 07:22 (UTC):

> I have to do a double check with "l" and "1" and "0" and "O", there 
> ought to be some way to avoid that.

Font selection can make a big difference:

http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesM.html
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Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[mick crane]

On 2018-11-01 17:57, Michael Stone wrote:

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:

Under enp3so I see only BROADCAST and MULTICAST, no UP or DOWN. Thanks


That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should be
enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there should be
either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming that's all
right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".


I have to do a double check with "l" and "1" and "0" and "O", there 
ought to be some way to avoid that.


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Joe Pfeiffer]

David Wright  writes:

> On Thu 01 Nov 2018 at 20:03:05 (-0600), Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> local10  writes:
>> > Nov 1, 2018, 1:57 PM by mst...@debian.org:
>> >> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should
>> >> be enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there
>> >> should be either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming
>> >> that's all right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".
>> >
>> > That was it. I did have "allow-hotplug" but it was still pointing
>> > to enp2s0, not paying attention obviously. After changing
>> > "allow-hotplug enp3s0" the network came back, everything works.
>> >
>> > So my experience indicates that it is quite possible to replace the
>> > motherboard, stick the old hard disk in and the only change that's
>> > required (in my case) was to change "/etc/network/interfaces" to
>> > reflect the new interface name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 . No need to
>> > change NIC MAC address.
>> >
>> > Thanks to everyone who responded.
>> 
>> For what it's worth, I'm running network-manager and my ethernet port
>> (enp4s0 in my case) isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces at all.  All
>> that's in there is lo (the loopback interface).
>
> FWIW if it were listed in /e/n/i, then nm would not manage it, would it.
>
> I expect you've got the interface name stored in nm's connection
> profile instead.
>
> BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
> relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
> the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
> address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
> machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
> hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)

Though in my case my DHCP server is dnsmasq on another machine, which
happily associates hostnames with the IP addresses so my machines can
indeed find each other.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[David Wright]

On Thu 01 Nov 2018 at 20:03:05 (-0600), Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> local10  writes:
> > Nov 1, 2018, 1:57 PM by mst...@debian.org:
> >> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
> >>
> >> That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should
> >> be enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there
> >> should be either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming
> >> that's all right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".
> >
> > That was it. I did have "allow-hotplug" but it was still pointing to 
> > enp2s0, not paying attention obviously. After changing "allow-hotplug 
> > enp3s0" the network came back, everything works.
> >
> > So my experience indicates that it is quite possible to replace the
> > motherboard, stick the old hard disk in and the only change that's
> > required (in my case) was to change "/etc/network/interfaces" to
> > reflect the new interface name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 . No need to
> > change NIC MAC address.
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who responded.
> 
> For what it's worth, I'm running network-manager and my ethernet port
> (enp4s0 in my case) isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces at all.  All
> that's in there is lo (the loopback interface).

FWIW if it were listed in /e/n/i, then nm would not manage it, would it.

I expect you've got the interface name stored in nm's connection
profile instead.

BTW in a network set up like my own, the place where the MAC would be
relevant is in the DHCP server (here, the router) because that is how
the IP number is assigned. An unassigned MAC will get given an IP
address 192.168.1.200+, and it will conect to the Internet, but other
machines on the LAN would not recognise it. (Although the router can
hand out IP numbers, it doesn't run a nameserver.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Joe Pfeiffer]

local10  writes:

> Nov 1, 2018, 1:57 PM by mst...@debian.org:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
>>
>> That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should
>> be enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there
>> should be either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming
>> that's all right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".
>>
>
> That was it. I did have "allow-hotplug" but it was still pointing to enp2s0, 
> not paying attention obviously. After changing "allow-hotplug enp3s0" the 
> network came back, everything works.
>
> So my experience indicates that it is quite possible to replace the
> motherboard, stick the old hard disk in and the only change that's
> required (in my case) was to change "/etc/network/interfaces" to
> reflect the new interface name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 . No need to
> change NIC MAC address.
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.

For what it's worth, I'm running network-manager and my ethernet port
(enp4s0 in my case) isn't listed in /etc/network/interfaces at all.  All
that's in there is lo (the loopback interface).

Re: [SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Brian]

On Thu 01 Nov 2018 at 19:21:24 +0100, local10 wrote:

> Nov 1, 2018, 1:57 PM by mst...@debian.org:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
> >
> > That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should be 
> > enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there should be 
> > either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming that's all right, 
> > try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".
> >
> 
> That was it. I did have "allow-hotplug" but it was still pointing to
> enp2s0, not paying attention obviously. After changing "allow-hotplug
> enp3s0" the network came back, everything works.
> 
> So my experience indicates that it is quite possible to replace the
> motherboard, stick the old hard disk in and the only change that's
> required (in my case) was to change "/etc/network/interfaces" to
> reflect the new interface name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 . No need to
> change NIC MAC address.
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded.

I've done that myself - changing a parameter on one line but not on
another. Well done for listening to and exploring the advice you were
given.

-- 
Brian.
 

[SOLVED] Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

Nov 1, 2018, 1:57 PM by mst...@debian.org:

> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:
>
> That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should be enp3s0 
> (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there should be either "auto 
> enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming that's all right, try manually 
> running "ifup -v enp3s0".
>

That was it. I did have "allow-hotplug" but it was still pointing to enp2s0, 
not paying attention obviously. After changing "allow-hotplug enp3s0" the 
network came back, everything works.

So my experience indicates that it is quite possible to replace the 
motherboard, stick the old hard disk in and the only change that's required (in 
my case) was to change "/etc/network/interfaces" to reflect the new interface 
name from enp2s0 to enp3s0 . No need to change NIC MAC address.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:43:56PM +0100, local10 wrote:

Under enp3so I see only BROADCAST and MULTICAST, no UP or DOWN. Thanks


That means it's down. Note that you said enp3so above, that should be 
enp3s0 (zero); which did you put in interfaces? Also, there should be 
either "auto enp3s0" or "allow-hotplug enp3s0". Assuming that's all 
right, try manually running "ifup -v enp3s0".

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:12:35PM +0100, local10 wrote:

http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/
Migrating-Debian-installation-to-a-new-motherboard-td4403474.html ) mentioned
that the MAC address needs to be changed to reflect the new NIC MAC address on
the new mb.


Ignore that.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

1. Nov 2018 12:17 by d...@randomstring.org :


>> OK, now try 
>>
> ip l
>
> Look for enp3s0 and see if it's up or down. Up is good. Down
> probably means a bad ethernet cable -- or maybe it just isn't
> plugged in properly on one end or the other.




 Under enp3so I see only BROADCAST and MULTICAST, no UP or DOWN. Thanks

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Dan Ritter]

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 05:12:35PM +0100, local10 wrote:
> 1. Nov 2018 10:18 by pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org <mailto:pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org>:
> 
> 
> > Le 01/11/2018 à 15:10, local10 a écrit :
> >>
> >> Note that the 2nd interface is enp3s0 not enp2s0 as I have  in 
> >> /etc/network/interfaces. This, as I understnd it, is due to the 
> >> motherboard migration (I replaced the mb in my Buster PC, the system 
> >> booted and seems to work fine, except for the networking).
> >
> > All you should need to do is update the interface name in 
> > /etc/network/interfaces.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Changed enp2s0 in /etc/network/interfaces to enp3s0, rebooted, still getting 
> "Network is unreachable". Someone in this thread (
> 
>  
> http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Migrating-Debian-installation-to-a-new-motherboard-td4403474.html
>  
> <http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Migrating-Debian-installation-to-a-new-motherboard-td4403474.html>
>  ) mentioned that the MAC address needs to be changed to reflect the new NIC 
> MAC address on the new mb. Not sure how to do that, I looked but what I found 
> does not apply well to Debian.
> 

OK, now try 
ip l

Look for enp3s0 and see if it's up or down. Up is good. Down
probably means a bad ethernet cable -- or maybe it just isn't
plugged in properly on one end or the other.

-dsr-

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

1. Nov 2018 10:18 by pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org <mailto:pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org>:


> Le 01/11/2018 à 15:10, local10 a écrit :
>>
>> Note that the 2nd interface is enp3s0 not enp2s0 as I have  in 
>> /etc/network/interfaces. This, as I understnd it, is due to the motherboard 
>> migration (I replaced the mb in my Buster PC, the system booted and seems to 
>> work fine, except for the networking).
>
> All you should need to do is update the interface name in 
> /etc/network/interfaces.




Changed enp2s0 in /etc/network/interfaces to enp3s0, rebooted, still getting 
"Network is unreachable". Someone in this thread (

 
http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Migrating-Debian-installation-to-a-new-motherboard-td4403474.html
 
<http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/Migrating-Debian-installation-to-a-new-motherboard-td4403474.html>
 ) mentioned that the MAC address needs to be changed to reflect the new NIC 
MAC address on the new mb. Not sure how to do that, I looked but what I found 
does not apply well to Debian.




Regards,

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 01/11/2018 à 15:10, local10 a écrit :


Note that the 2nd interface is enp3s0 not enp2s0 as I have  in 
/etc/network/interfaces. This, as I understnd it, is due to the motherboard 
migration (I replaced the mb in my Buster PC, the system booted and seems to 
work fine, except for the networking).


All you should need to do is update the interface name in 
/etc/network/interfaces.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

31. Oct 2018 19:37 by mst...@debian.org :

> There shouldn't be a -
>
> "ip a" is probabably more interesting than ip l.




"ip a" shows two interfaces:

1. lo

...

2. enp3s0 (broadcast, multicast, up,...)

    link/ether "address here"

    inet6 "address here"/64 scope link noprefixroute

         valid-lft forever preferred-lft forefer




Note that the 2nd interface is enp3s0 not enp2s0 as I have  in 
/etc/network/interfaces. This, as I understnd it, is due to the motherboard 
migration (I replaced the mb in my Buster PC, the system booted and seems to 
work fine, except for the networking).




Sorry for typos, posting from my phone. Thanks

 

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Michael Stone]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:48:47PM +0100, local10 wrote:

31. Oct 2018 18:05 by d...@randomstring.org:


   Can you show us the output of
   ip -l

   and

   ip -r

   ?

   -dsr-



Both "ip -l" and "ip -r" return the same output  as "ip --help". Something is
missing, pwrhaps? Thanks


There shouldn't be a -

"ip a" is probabably more interesting than ip l.

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

31. Oct 2018 18:05 by d...@randomstring.org :

>
> Can you show us the output of 
> ip -l
>
> and 
>
> ip -r
>
> ?
>
> -dsr-







Both "ip -l" and "ip -r" return the same output  as "ip --help". Something is 
missing, pwrhaps? Thanks

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[Dan Ritter]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 09:10:06PM +0100, local10 wrote:
> >
> > How did you reconfigure the MAC address after the migration? I'm gettig 
> > "network is unreachable " even for local IPs so I guess I'll need to do 
> > that too. Thanks
> >
> 
> 1. I'm runnig Buster
> 
> 2. Motherboard NIC is Realtec RTL8111
> 
> 3. Dont have any files in /etc/udev/rules.d/

Can you show us the output of 
ip -l

and 

ip -r

?

-dsr-

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

31. Oct 2018 12:38 by loca...@tutanota.com :


> 
>> Oct 18, 2018, 6:42 PM by >> mrma...@earthlink.net 
>> >> :
>>
 By keeping the old HD, there could be 
 little to do but reconfigure networking for the change in MAC address, if 
 the NIC is a 
 motherboard component
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How did you reconfigure the MAC address after the migration? I'm gettig 
> "network is unreachable " even for local IPs so I guess I'll need to do that 
> too. Thanks
>







More info:

1. I'm runnig Buster

2. Motherboard NIC is Realtec RTL8111

3. Dont have any files in /etc/udev/rules.d/




Thanks

Re: Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

> Oct 18, 2018, 6:42 PM by > mrma...@earthlink.net 
> > :
>
>>> By keeping the old HD, there could be 
>>> little to do but reconfigure networking for the change in MAC address, if 
>>> the NIC is a 
>>> motherboard component







How did you reconfigure the MAC address after the migration? I'm gettig 
"network is unreachable " even for local IPs so I guess I'll need to do that 
too. Thanks

Migrating Debian installation to a new motherboard

[local10]

Hi,

Am looking for an easy way to move my Debian PC to a new motherboard, that is 
without reinstalling all the packages and config settings. All the hardware 
with the exception of the motherboard will remain the same, I have a spare hard 
drive, the same model as my working HD, which I can use as a setup area if 
needed. I did a similar migration with success some years back and used the 
"Shockingly easy server upgrade" writeup from Debian Planet as guide, which was 
available at http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=875 
<http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=875> but it's no longer there and I 
can't find it.

Any ideas? Thanks

Re: New Motherboard installation question

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 04:57:28PM +, J.W. Foster wrote:
>Any tips are welcome, and no I have not researched this online.

I would say that if you want specific suggestions, posting the actual
error messages is a good start.

>I'm just seeking info from folks that have done this before.

I have a server now that runs Stretch (HP microserver) that began life
in 2002 running Debian 3.0 (Woody).  The original machine was a Pentium
Pro 200 MHz with maybe 16 MB RAM.  It went from that box into a new
small form factor case with a mini-ATX (or was it micro-ATX?)
motherboard and a VIA C7 CPU.  That motherboard eventually failed and
was replaced, then the power supply later failed and that was when I
acquired the HP, which necessitated switching from 32-bit to 64-bit.

My main workstation is in a similar situation.  It started life in 2003
with an AMD Athlon XP CPU on a BioStar motherboard.  That machine went
through 4 motherboards from different manufacturers until a few years
ago I went to another Biostar motherboard with an Intel Core i5 CPU.

In every case, the main things which ended up being factors in the
migration were:

- kernel modules (my configuration either unconditionally loaded
  incompatible modules or blacklisted modules I needed)
- device naming assumptions that were not constant (e.g., references to
  things under /dev/disk/by-uuid)
- Left-over semi-persistent state files (e.g., in /var)

It is difficult to be more specific without the specific error messages
you are seeing.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: New Motherboard installation question

[Alexander V. Makartsev]

On 16.11.2017 21:57, J.W. Foster wrote:
> I installed a new motherboard on a system that I run as as a server.
> Same system has 3 1tb disks with Debian stable installed, and 1 with
> Windows 10 installed, all booting at my discretion from grub. I was
> able to get all of the drives to operate, and Im using one for this.
> However I have noticed a crap load of boot error messages when I watch
> the system boot on anything except Windows, as it does not display any
> boot messages. As I said it's working but those error messages were
> not there before I replaced the motherboard, which was in fact
> defective. Both the old board and the new one are ASUS. I figure that
> I need to do some type of Linux maintenance reset, but as I have never
> done a replacement without doing a complete reinstall of all the
> software, I have no idea what to do. Any tips are welcome, and no I
> have not researched this online. I'm just seeking info from folks that
> have done this before.
> Thanks
> John
Can you show us what error messages exactly look like? It will be a good
start.
Use this command to get system logs:
    $ sudo journalctl -b

Also, post full specs of your computer.

It is probably a good idea to check ASUS support site for a BIOS update
for your motherboard, as recent hardware is likely to be rushed to the
market asap and patched later.

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Re: New motherboard, no network

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 14 March 2017 10:24:29 Tony van der Hoff wrote:

> After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced
> it with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing
> disk set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
> on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
> seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:
>
> ###
> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
> Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
> Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 74
> I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
> Memory at fea0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
> Memory at d080 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
> Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
> Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
> Capabilities: [70] Express Endpoint, MSI 01
> Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-
> Capabilities: [d0] Vital Product Data
> Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
> Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
> Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number
> 01-00-00-00-68-4c-e0-00 Capabilities: [170] Latency Tolerance
> Reporting
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
>
> 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
> Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
> I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
> Memory at fe92 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
> Expansion ROM at fe90 [disabled] [size=128K]
> Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> ###
>
> ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:
>
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
>   inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255 
> Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
> loLink encap:Local Loopback
>   inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
>   inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
>   UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
>   RX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
>   RX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)  TX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)
>
> 
>
> /etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses
> for the old motherboard:
>
> # This file was automatically generated by the
> /lib/udev/write_net_rules # program, run by the
> persistent-net-generator.rules rules file. #
> # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
> # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
>
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
>
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
>
> 
>
> So, how do I get the network active?
>
> Thanks,

Udev, seeing the existing configs, helpfully renamed the new interfaces 
for you.  There is a fix, google can probably find it.  Its bit me 
several times, at long enough intervals I've forgotten the fix.  When 
theres 8 decades on ones wet ram it tends to forget the small stuff.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: New motherboard, no network

[Tony van der Hoff]

On 14/03/17 15:33, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:12:15PM +0100, Hans wrote:

Hi Tony,

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"



You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one
is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.


No, they're different.  The PCI ID comments are different (one ends
with 8169 and the other with 8168), the MAC addresses are different,
and the eth0/eth1 names are different.


What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?

You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary
card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.


I have doubts about that being a good idea.

I'm more concerned with the fact that apparently some command or other
(I don't remember if he told us what commands he ran) only showed eth0
and not eth1.

Original poster, please include the actual shell commands that you
run along with their output.  You should be running commands such as:

ifconfig -a
ip addr list
dmesg | grep eth

(Although for dmesg, we may need to see some context around the matching
lines, even just showing the grep output would be a good start.)




OK, thanks all for your help. It set me on the path to fixing the 
problem. I ended up deleting all the rules in 
udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, and rebooting. Both interfaces 
came up as desired, so I'm back on-line.
(I actually tried systemctlrestart networking.service before I rebooted, 
but that had no effect - wierd)


So, thanks again for the input.

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Re: New motherboard, no network

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 04:12:15PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Hi Tony, 
> > # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> > ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> > ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> > 
> > # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> > SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> > ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> > ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"

> You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one 
> is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.

No, they're different.  The PCI ID comments are different (one ends
with 8169 and the other with 8168), the MAC addresses are different,
and the eth0/eth1 names are different.

> What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?
> 
> You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary 
> card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.

I have doubts about that being a good idea.

I'm more concerned with the fact that apparently some command or other
(I don't remember if he told us what commands he ran) only showed eth0
and not eth1.

Original poster, please include the actual shell commands that you
run along with their output.  You should be running commands such as:

ifconfig -a
ip addr list
dmesg | grep eth

(Although for dmesg, we may need to see some context around the matching
lines, even just showing the grep output would be a good start.)

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Hans]

Hi Tony, 
> /etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses for
> the old motherboard:
> 
> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
> # program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
> #
> # You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
> # line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
> 
> 
> 
> So, how do I get the network active?
> 
> Thanks,

You have twice the same entry, but one is pointing to eth0 and the second one 
is naming the same as eth1. I suppose, one of it is the card from the old pc.

What happens, if you delete the orphaned entry manually?

You can delte it, and rename the last entry to "eth0" (if this is our primary 
card). I am sure, you will know, hich MAC is the active one.

Good luck!

Hans 

Re: New motherboard, no network

[Dan Ritter]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 02:24:29PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced it
> with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing disk
> set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
> on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
> seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:
> 
> ###
> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
> Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> 
> 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI
> Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
> PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
> Kernel driver in use: r8169
> ###
> 
> ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:
> 
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
>   inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
> ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"
> 
> 
> 
> So, how do I get the network active?

Step 1. Check the cabling.

Step 2. Check the link: mii-tool eth0 or ethtool eth0

You want to see something like this:
eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok

Step 3. Check your switch/hub/link partner to see if it also
recognizes the link

Step 4. Try eth1, as well. 

Step 5. Check for firewalling (iptables -L) or routing (ip r) 
anomalies.

-dsr-

New motherboard, no network

[Tony van der Hoff]

After many years, my faithful ASUS motherboard died, so I've replaced it
with a Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-HD2. t booted up fine from my existing disk
set into Jessie, but networking is inoperative. The board has an
on-board network interface, plus an extra PCI network board. Neither
seem to be working, although they are recognised by lspci -v:

###
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0c)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 74
I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Memory at fea0 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Memory at d080 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [70] Express Endpoint, MSI 01
Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-
Capabilities: [d0] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 01-00-00-00-68-4c-e0-00
Capabilities: [170] Latency Tolerance Reporting
Kernel driver in use: r8169

02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169 PCI
Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8169/8110 Family
PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 20
I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
Memory at fe92 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Expansion ROM at fe90 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: r8169
###

ifconfig only lists one board, which appears inactive:

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76
  inet addr:192.168.1.7  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
  RX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2124 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)  TX bytes:208935 (204.0 KiB)



/etc/udev/70-persistent-net.rules presumably contains the addresses for
the old motherboard:

# This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
# program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
#
# You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
# line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8169 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="6c:fd:b9:00:6f:76", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*",
ATTR{address}=="bc:ae:c5:29:77:d8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"



So, how do I get the network active?

Thanks,
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Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Tom Furie]

On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 08:43:23AM -0500, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> 
> I wanted to see if I can rejuvenate this thread or if should I start a new 
> one.
> 
> My debian  stable (now is sid but no new behavior) ps2 keyboards keep 
> maniacally repeating keys.
> 
>  occasionally it seems almost spontaneous but likely i hit one return and it 
> keeps typing return
> until i hit another key then it stops.
> 
> when I try with another ps2 keyboard, same problem
> 
> no problem with a usb keyboard.
> 
> it started when I moved to a new motherboard with 6 core processor.

I would first suspect the ps2 port on the motherboard. I was going to
suggest trying a USB keyboard through a ps2 adapter, but I'm not sure
that would isolate any areas of investigation.

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[David Christensen]

On 01/09/2014 09:52 PM, Mitchell Laks wrote:

You advise me  give up too easily, David.


Wiping and reinstalling from scratch has a couple of benefits:

1.  You can estimate how long it will take.

2.  You can leave out the cruft that has built up since the last time 
you installed (and this is probably what is causing the issues).


3.  You have the best chance of it working.

4.  If a default install doesn't work, you can make better decisions -- 
e.g. troubleshooting, switch to a different distribution/ version/ 
architecture, etc..


5.  You have a known starting point and other people can reproduce your 
results -- e.g. bug report, developer debugging, automated testing, etc..




The sense I am getting is that linux is moving away from support of ps2 
hardware.


My PS/2 machines work fine with Wheezy i386 and amd64.



What do you think my posts are about? I have researched and posted.
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=55373&sid=4c138a3bac92266f8464b4a9814350d4&start=60
https://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79756


Have you tried the Asus site, or Asus fan sites?  Does Asus support FOSS?


David


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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 22:12 Thu 09 Jan , John Hasler wrote:
> David Christensen writes:
> > 1.  Back up your data.  Disconnect all drives.  Install a new/
> > different system drive and fill it with zeros.  Do a fresh install of
> > the OS distribution of your choosing.  Test/ patch/ backport/
> > etc. thoroughly. If/ when you're satisfied, you're done.
> 
> Filling the drive with zeros is a waste of time.  Just tell the
> installer to take over the entire drive.  Doesn't matter what's on it.


I agree. Just follow the installer instructions and erase  the partitions. 

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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 19:51 Thu 09 Jan , David Christensen wrote:
> Mitchell Laks wrote on Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:20:22 -0500
> >> I recently upgraded my motherboard to an asus  M4A77TD
> motherboard with a new CPU.
> >> Of course this is a machine running wheezy, but was installed
> some many previous debian versions  time ago.
> 
> 
> On 01/09/2014 10:02 AM, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > Any other ideas???
> 
> 
> 1.  Back up your data.  Disconnect all drives.  Install a new/
> different system drive and fill it with zeros.  Do a fresh install
> of the OS distribution of your choosing.  Test/ patch/ backport/
> etc. thoroughly.  If/ when you're satisfied, you're done.  If not,
> wipe the system drive and try something else.

?? I haven't had to reinstall debian on my main machine in years.
It would be silly 
Of course I am currently running debian on 25 workstations and  servers at 
multiple sites.
And I have  upgraded most of them over the years with no problem.

You advise me  give up too easily, David. 

The sense I am getting is that linux is moving away from support of ps2 
hardware.
I saw a lot of bellyaching on the web from this bug on multiple sites. On 
windows as well.

I walked into microcenter today and payed $12 for a cheap usb m$ft  keyboard to 
see if it had 
a reasonable feel. 

Not bad, and with it the bug is gone for now. I will report back.
I also bought a usb-to-ps2 connector for $15. I will try that too.

I just feel bad about the end of a hardware era, and I still have a cache of 
msft internet ps2 keyboards with
their good feel.

> 
> 2.  STFW for Linux and/or Debian support for your motherboard.
> Search.  Read.  Join.  Post.

What do you think my posts are about? I have researched and posted.
I have even tried reverting to the kbd input driver. You have
to give credit for my having found that on some combination of threads somewhere

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=55373&sid=4c138a3bac92266f8464b4a9814350d4&start=60

https://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79756

I suppose I can try a second clean install to see if it still has the problem.
Or else just do it with a debian live distro.
but my sense is that we are not just  dealing with a corrupted  install.

Mitchell

> 
> HTH,
> 
> David
> 
> 
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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[David Christensen]

On 01/09/2014 08:12 PM, John Hasler wrote:

Filling the drive with zeros is a waste of time.  Just tell the
installer to take over the entire drive.  Doesn't matter what's on it.


I zero drives:

1.  For security -- e.g. destroy all old data, configuration files, etc..

2.  For disaster recovery space efficiency -- e.g. drive images with 
lots of zero blocks compress nicely.



David


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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[John Hasler]

David Christensen writes:
> 1.  Back up your data.  Disconnect all drives.  Install a new/
> different system drive and fill it with zeros.  Do a fresh install of
> the OS distribution of your choosing.  Test/ patch/ backport/
> etc. thoroughly. If/ when you're satisfied, you're done.

Filling the drive with zeros is a waste of time.  Just tell the
installer to take over the entire drive.  Doesn't matter what's on it.
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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[David Christensen]

Mitchell Laks wrote on Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:20:22 -0500
>> I recently upgraded my motherboard to an asus  M4A77TD motherboard 
with a new CPU.
>> Of course this is a machine running wheezy, but was installed some 
many previous debian versions  time ago.



On 01/09/2014 10:02 AM, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> Any other ideas???


1.  Back up your data.  Disconnect all drives.  Install a new/ different 
system drive and fill it with zeros.  Do a fresh install of the OS 
distribution of your choosing.  Test/ patch/ backport/ etc. thoroughly. 
 If/ when you're satisfied, you're done.  If not, wipe the system drive 
and try something else.


2.  STFW for Linux and/or Debian support for your motherboard.  Search. 
 Read.  Join.  Post.


HTH,

David



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Re: further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

It just happened again.

look at my last search on google

debian kernel log 


My last fix has not solved the problem.

Any other ideas???

Mitchell


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further ideas on Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

> 
> So far at least, I have not had the same repeated keypresses.
> 
> I wil continue to monitor.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> A look at the bios shows a spot to shut off pnp in the  bios. I will consider 
> that as well.

I was wrong and spoke too soon.

Indeed the bios command i8042.nonpnp
___helped___ to decrease the frequency of the keyboard issues
which were

1. maniacal multiple typing of space and carrige return or indeed many other 
keys until I hit another key.  
2. dropped keys (just didnt type a key until i retyped it)

However it did not get rid of the problem.

So what did I do.
Did a lot of reading.

I noticed that there is no longer a 
xserver-xorg-input-kbd
on my system.

Seems that evdev is the new way of capturing events from the keyboard and mouse
so I guessed perhaps that was the problem.

So I installed  xserver-xorg-input-kbd
then I 
changed the  xorg.conf
to add this stanza

  Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier   "Generic Keyboard"
   Driver   "kbd"
   Option   "CoreKeyboard"
   Option   "XkbRules"  "base"
   Option   "XkbModel"  "pc105"
   Option   "XkbLayout" "us,il"
   Option   "XkbVariant"",lyx"
   Option   "XkbOptions"
"grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp:switch,grp_led:scroll"
   EndSection

then I restarted the 

server


Now then I noticed within the Xorg.0.log
this happens

[   111.503] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[   111.503] (==) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
[   111.503] (==) No Layout section. Using the first core keyboard device.
[   111.503] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input 
devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable 
AutoAddDevices.
[   111.503] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 
'vmmouse' will be disabled.
[   111.503] (WW) Disabling Generic Keyboard
[   111.503] (II) Loader magic: 0x7f6c75087d00
[   111.503] (II) Module ABI versions:


So Hotplugging did not alow it to be on.
So I added the following section to the xorg.conf

   Section "ServerFlags"
   
Option  "AutoAddDevices""off"   

EndSection 

Now when i start Xorg again

[  1861.880] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[  1861.880] (==) |-->Input Device ""
[  1861.880] (==) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
[  1861.880] (==) No Layout section. Using the default mouse configuration.
[  1861.880] (==) No Layout section. Using the first core keyboard device.
[  1861.880] (II) Loader magic: 0x7fb38c0e6d00
[  1861.880] (II) Module ABI versions:
[  1861.880]X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[  1861.880]X.Org Video Driver: 14.1
[  1861.880]X.Org XInput driver : 19.1
[  1861.880]X.Org Server Extension : 7.0
[  1861.880] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)

Ok
now I am checking and so far, I have not had repeat of the problems of either 
dropped keys or 
spontaneous maniacal repeated keyboard presses

So where do I send the but report.

Clearly the autoconfiguration of ps2 keyboard
via xorg is not working
and I had to revert to the older kbd drivers...

Thanks 
Mitchell Laks



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Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 15:54 Sun 05 Jan , Mitchell Laks wrote:
> very interesting I see the following
> 
> mlaks@Rashi:~$ dmesg|grep i8042
> [1.220710] i8042: PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
> [1.220711] i8042: PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is 
> incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp
> [1.220830] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
> [1.239536] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as 
> /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
> mlaks@Rashi:~$ 

with the new kernel parameter fix I get 


mlaks@Rashi:~$ dmesg |grep i8042
[0.00] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-amd64 
root=UUID=a13e781b-8a7f-42f9-a7d2-20a1682a81eb ro quiet i8042.nopnp
[0.00] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.12-1-amd64 
root=UUID=a13e781b-8a7f-42f9-a7d2-20a1682a81eb ro quiet i8042.nopnp
[1.219983] i8042: PNP detection disabled
[1.220346] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[1.220353] serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
[1.240007] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as 
/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
mlaks@Rashi:~$ 


So far at least, I have not had the same repeated keypresses.

I wil continue to monitor.

Thank you.

A look at the bios shows a spot to shut off pnp in the  bios. I will consider 
that as well.

Thanks 
Mitchell

> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > You might also want to look into BIOS settings and/or upgrades, or using 
> > a USB-to-PS/2 adapter if you want to keep the keyboard.
> 
> I have  already upgraded to teh latest bios. However I can 
> both 
> 1. reboot with the kernel parameter
> 2. look at the bios setting to see what it means 
> 
> thank you very much Andrei!
> 
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> I will  report back.
> It costs about the same for a new keyboard or the converter
> :)
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Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 19:57 Sun 05 Jan , Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 05 ian 14, 08:43:23, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > 
> > I wanted to see if I can rejuvenate this thread or if should I start a new 
> > one.
> > 
> > My debian  stable (now is sid but no new behavior) ps2 keyboards keep 
> > maniacally repeating keys.
> > 
> >  occasionally it seems almost spontaneous but likely i hit one return and 
> > it keeps typing return
> > until i hit another key then it stops.
> > 
> > when I try with another ps2 keyboard, same problem
> > 
> > no problem with a usb keyboard.
> > 
> > it started when I moved to a new motherboard with 6 core processor.
> > 
> > any ideas?
> 
> Hmm, I remember I had some trouble with the PS/2 keyboard when I 
> dist-upgraded (to squeeze?) an old box of mine and the fix was some 
> kernel parameter. Let's see... aha, it was "i8042.nopnp". Can't remember 
> what it does though.

very interesting I see the following

mlaks@Rashi:~$ dmesg|grep i8042
[1.220710] i8042: PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[1.220711] i8042: PNP: PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is 
incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp
[1.220830] serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
[1.239536] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as 
/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
mlaks@Rashi:~$ 



> 
> You might also want to look into BIOS settings and/or upgrades, or using 
> a USB-to-PS/2 adapter if you want to keep the keyboard.

I have  already upgraded to teh latest bios. However I can 
both 
1. reboot with the kernel parameter
2. look at the bios setting to see what it means 

thank you very much Andrei!

> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
I will  report back.
It costs about the same for a new keyboard or the converter
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Re: Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 05 ian 14, 08:43:23, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> 
> I wanted to see if I can rejuvenate this thread or if should I start a new 
> one.
> 
> My debian  stable (now is sid but no new behavior) ps2 keyboards keep 
> maniacally repeating keys.
> 
>  occasionally it seems almost spontaneous but likely i hit one return and it 
> keeps typing return
> until i hit another key then it stops.
> 
> when I try with another ps2 keyboard, same problem
> 
> no problem with a usb keyboard.
> 
> it started when I moved to a new motherboard with 6 core processor.
> 
> any ideas?

Hmm, I remember I had some trouble with the PS/2 keyboard when I 
dist-upgraded (to squeeze?) an old box of mine and the fix was some 
kernel parameter. Let's see... aha, it was "i8042.nopnp". Can't remember 
what it does though.

You might also want to look into BIOS settings and/or upgrades, or using 
a USB-to-PS/2 adapter if you want to keep the keyboard.

Kind regards,
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Still bothered by annoying Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

I wanted to see if I can rejuvenate this thread or if should I start a new one.

My debian  stable (now is sid but no new behavior) ps2 keyboards keep 
maniacally repeating keys.

 occasionally it seems almost spontaneous but likely i hit one return and it 
keeps typing return
until i hit another key then it stops.

when I try with another ps2 keyboard, same problem

no problem with a usb keyboard.

it started when I moved to a new motherboard with 6 core processor.

any ideas?

references

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15055

Keyboard's maniacal repeating

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=196


http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9331&f=28
Keyboard repeating characters

any ideas what to do.
I may go buy a nice usb keyboard istead of this terrible one i would rather not 
use...


Mitchell


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Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Ron Leach]

On 09/12/2013 03:17, Mitchell Laks wrote:


Microsoft first introduced StickyKeys with Windows 95. The feature is also used 
in later versions of Windows.
Enabling
To enable this shortcut, the ⇧Shift key must be pressed 5 times in short 
succession.
This feature can also be turned on and off via the Accessibility icon in the 
Windows Control Panel.


At first, I was concerned to see you referring to Microsoft's 
implementation.  Searching some more I found this, from Gnome:


Turn on sticky keys

"Quickly turn sticky keys on and off

Select Turn on accessibility features from the keyboard (above Sticky 
Keys) to turn sticky keys on and off from the keyboard. When this 
option is selected, you can press Shift five times in a row to enable 
or disable sticky keys."


https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.5/a11y-stickykeys.html.en

That help page also mentions a couple of other places to control the 
setting.


Not sure if this is exactly the same as your problem, but I had very 
similar symptoms.  Looking at this documentation, I think my 'Sticky 
Keys' event must have been caused by something touching the 'shift' 
key during a particularly awkward reshuffle of keyboards and monitor 
during installation.


Good luck, Ron


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Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 20:35 Sun 08 Dec , Ron Leach wrote:
> On 08/12/2013 20:20, Mitchell Laks wrote:
> >
> >Frequently when I type now, and i use the key b or d (for instance many 
> >other letters such as space etc as well)
> >i get an endless stream of repetition of that key thus
> >
> >dd
> >
> >and it will just keep on typing until I hit any key and then it stops.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >any other ideas to try?
> >
> 
> I had this on a recent Wheezy install.  In my case it was unrelated
> to our also-simultaneous hardware change, it seemed that a desktop
> function named 'Sticky Keys' had been invoked.  I wasn't sure how,
> but I had used the keyboard while reaching awkwardly for something,
> and must have triggered the function.  Though it asked for
> confirmation, I didn't see the dialog, and must have 'accepted' its
> offer.
> 
> Fortunately, the dialog came up again later, and I declined it;
> things have been fine, since.
> 
> I don't know what the function is or how it is controlled, but it
> might be worth checking, if you can find some info somewhere.
> 
> regards, Ron

according to wikipedia:

Sticky Keys is an accessibility feature to help computer users who have 
physical disabilities, but it is also used by others as a means to reduce 
repetitive strain injury (or a syndrome called the Emacs Pinky). It essentially 
serializes keystrokes instead of pressing multiple keys at a time: StickyKeys 
allows the user to press and release a modifier key, such as Shift, Ctrl, Alt, 
or the Windows key, and have it remain active until any other key is pressed.

History

Microsoft first introduced StickyKeys with Windows 95. The feature is also used 
in later versions of Windows.
Enabling
To enable this shortcut, the ⇧Shift key must be pressed 5 times in short 
succession.
This feature can also be turned on and off via the Accessibility icon in the 
Windows Control Panel.
To turn off once enabled, just simply press 3 or more of the Sticky Keys (Ctrl, 
Alt, Shift, Windows Button) at the same time.


Ok i have pressed ctl-alt-shift at the same time
and let us see what happens
(i then did ctl-alt again to get cancel my switch to a secondary language 
keyboard :) )

Let us see what happens now.
Who knows what is going on 
Mitchell


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Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

On 21:32 Sun 08 Dec , Claudius Hubig wrote:
> Dear Mitchell,
> 
> Mitchell Laks wrote:
> > I recently upgraded my motherboard to an asus  M4A77TD
> > motherboard with a new CPU.
> > 
> > dd
> 
> As a starting point, you could try to switch to one of the
> pseudoterminals (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and check whether it also happens
> there. If it does, try to boot from a live CD and check there – if it
> also happens there, it might well be some hardware issue. If it
> doesn’t, we know that it’s a software problem.

1. The buggy behavior continues even in spite of a change to a new keyboard. So 
it isnt a keyboard hardware issue.

2. As to whether it is a true motherboard hardware issue vs X windows 
configuration and thus potentially solved  by a switch to a pseudoterminal?

I agree that working in the pseudoterminals may  help sort  this out, but I am 
in a bind here. 

(While writing this letter it just happened again!!! 
keyboard kept typing spaces.
many lines worth, till i hit any key and it stopped.)

If you google you will see this is reported by many people, likely X related

it is not a n unheard of problem, and different explanations are offfered.
 
However I can't just shift to a  pseudoterminal, because If I  work in a 
pseudoterminal 
I can edit with emacs of course, 
but
I can't read  pdf files and  surf the web etc

 and moreover with my modern ATI radeon type card, when I tried to use the  the 
open source radeon driver 
it fails to to recognize my dual monitor setup,  So I must use the propriatary  
ati/amd video drivers
and then these ban the radeon module so I get no nice framebuffer so
 when i go to a pseudoterminal  
I get only a large ugly font (think Dos 3.1 days) with 20-25  lines per screen.

:)


So to satisfy your curiousity I opened emacs and typed some lines in tty2 , and 
and manical repetivive letters  did not happen in the pseudoterminal.

So I think it is an x configuration thing.

There are all these settings like

xset r 
sticky keys 

If I google 

linux annoying keys repetition I come with many others complaining of a similar 
/ identical problem:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467040
xserver-xorg-input-kbd: Lag problem on my keyboard - keys repetition

 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/599316
keyboard starts repeating the last pressed key 


Thus I  am looking for an idea what to try to get rid of the problem,
presuming it is an X configuration issue or perhaps as suggested a problem with 
"Sticky Keys"

Thanks, 
Mitchell 


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Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Claudius Hubig]

Dear Mitchell,

Mitchell Laks wrote:
> I recently upgraded my motherboard to an asus  M4A77TD
> motherboard with a new CPU.
> 
> dd

As a starting point, you could try to switch to one of the
pseudoterminals (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and check whether it also happens
there. If it does, try to boot from a live CD and check there – if it
also happens there, it might well be some hardware issue. If it
doesn’t, we know that it’s a software problem.

Best,

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Re: new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Ron Leach]

On 08/12/2013 20:20, Mitchell Laks wrote:


Frequently when I type now, and i use the key b or d (for instance many other 
letters such as space etc as well)
i get an endless stream of repetition of that key thus

dd

and it will just keep on typing until I hit any key and then it stops.

[snip]

any other ideas to try?



I had this on a recent Wheezy install.  In my case it was unrelated to 
our also-simultaneous hardware change, it seemed that a desktop 
function named 'Sticky Keys' had been invoked.  I wasn't sure how, but 
I had used the keyboard while reaching awkwardly for something, and 
must have triggered the function.  Though it asked for confirmation, I 
didn't see the dialog, and must have 'accepted' its offer.


Fortunately, the dialog came up again later, and I declined it; things 
have been fine, since.


I don't know what the function is or how it is controlled, but it 
might be worth checking, if you can find some info somewhere.


regards, Ron


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new motherboard now Autorepeat of keys even when not pressed down

[Mitchell Laks]

Hi,

I recently upgraded my motherboard to an asus  M4A77TD
motherboard with a new CPU.

I am not sure when this problem developed, but it may be related to the above.

Frequently when I type now, and i use the key b or d (for instance many other 
letters such as space etc as well)
i get an endless stream of repetition of that key thus

dd

and it will just keep on typing until I hit any key and then it stops.
 
This happens multiple times every few minutes and is quite annoying.

I tried 
setting 
xset -r 
and this was very annoying because you sometimes want repetition.
I tried directly to 
xset r rate 500 30 or
xse r rate 1000  30
but still I get this annoying repetition which 
i very irritatimg with say the 
conkeror browser as b keeps trying to back up the browser
and filling in web forms gives me endless spaces or
endless carriage returns at the commond line in a console.

I tried to 
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-evdev as well 
dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-all

any other ideas to try?

It seems related to these problems


http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467040


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/599316

Of course this is a machine running 
wheezy, but was installed some many previous debian versions  time ago.

Thank you,
  
Mitchell Laks



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Re: New Motherboard/CPU/net ports/etc/etc. How to transfer packages?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Hi,
> 
> I have installed etch using an older cpu/motherboard.  Now I've gotten a
> new
> cpu/motherboard and my thinking is to re-install etch.  Is there a way to
> get the list of packages that are installed on the etch system into a
> file? I would then want to reinstall etch and havesomething (apt-get?)
> read that file and install the packages so that I have the same setup as
> before?
> 
> Why am I not just putting the new motherboard in and trying to boot up?
> Becuase others have tried it and reported on the list that the system
> would start to boot and then freeze.

In most cases, same system will boot after hardware upgrade.
Better to try, and solve only those problems that you actually have :).

I have Debian systems that have been installed in 199x, and only upgraded
(both hardware and software) since then.


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Re: New Motherboard/CPU/net ports/etc/etc. How to transfer packages?

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 07:29:48PM -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> I have installed etch using an older cpu/motherboard.  Now I've gotten a new 
> cpu/motherboard and my thinking is to re-install etch.  Is there a way to get 
> the list of packages that are installed on the etch system into a file? I 
> would then want to reinstall etch and havesomething (apt-get?) read that file 
> and install the packages so that I have the same setup as before?

There are various ways to do it, depending on what package management
program you normally use.  If you use apt-get (and therefore don't keep
track of automatically installed packages), you can just use 

# dpkg --get-selections > dpkg-sel.txt

and to install:

# dpkg --set-selections < dpkg-sel.txt

then apt-get.

However, if you use aptitude and were to use the dpkg, you would lose
the marking of Automatic or manually installed.

As part of my backup script, I run:

# aptitude search '~i!~M' > apt_inst.sel

I don't know how to tell aptitude to install from this list.  I'm on
dialup and I wouldn't want it to.  I install things in the order in
which I need them on a new system; generally in broad categories:  ppp,
pppconf; mc, lynx; mutt, exim4; vim; etc.

> 
> Why am I not just putting the new motherboard in and trying to boot up?  
> Becuase others have tried it and reported on the list that the system would 
> start to boot and then freeze.


Well, have your list of installed packages as part of your backup set.
Then just try it.  If it works, great.  If not, it could be that the
initrd needs rebuilding; try the install CD in rescue mode.  Otherwise,
reinstall and restore from backup.

Doug.


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New Motherboard/CPU/net ports/etc/etc. How to transfer packages?

[Mark Neidorff]

Hi,

I have installed etch using an older cpu/motherboard.  Now I've gotten a new 
cpu/motherboard and my thinking is to re-install etch.  Is there a way to get 
the list of packages that are installed on the etch system into a file? I 
would then want to reinstall etch and havesomething (apt-get?) read that file 
and install the packages so that I have the same setup as before?

Why am I not just putting the new motherboard in and trying to boot up?  
Becuase others have tried it and reported on the list that the system would 
start to boot and then freeze.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Mark


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Re: usb failing, need new motherboard recommendations

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 09:28:01AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> After struggling for a week with strange usb problems - posted xsane usb 
> problem - I believe my problem is a hardware problem.  One usb socket 
> has failed: device not seen but device and hotplug ok if another usb 
> socket is used.  Since I only have motherboard usb sockets I am 
> considering replacing the motherboard or, more probably, the motherboard 
> and cpu.  

Buy a cheap 4 port USB 2.0 card and save your money for a couple of 
months?

>The Athlon XP 1800 is ok but can be moved to an older computer 
> with a much slower cpu.  The question is how big an upgrade?  I don't 
> need to be at the cutting edge and I do want to be sure of Debian 
> compatibility but  also I don't want to find out next month, or even 
> next year, that I need to upgrade again.

Dual core AMD64 of some sort? Motherboards are relatively cheap - but by 
the time you may need to buy a PSU, new SATA hard disk etc. you rarely
profit by building computers in old cases or reusing old components.

Save EUR 450 or so and build a new machine with the components you can 
get once you have the money. If you buy now, there will always be 
something newer/faster/cheaper three months away that you will wish you 
had bought :( Just accept you'll always be behind the times :)

Andy

> 


>

 Any recommendations?
> 
> Tom
> 
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usb failing, need new motherboard recommendations

[Thomas H. George]

After struggling for a week with strange usb problems - posted xsane usb 
problem - I believe my problem is a hardware problem.  One usb socket 
has failed: device not seen but device and hotplug ok if another usb 
socket is used.  Since I only have motherboard usb sockets I am 
considering replacing the motherboard or, more probably, the motherboard 
and cpu.  The Athlon XP 1800 is ok but can be moved to an older computer 
with a much slower cpu.  The question is how big an upgrade?  I don't 
need to be at the cutting edge and I do want to be sure of Debian 
compatibility but  also I don't want to find out next month, or even 
next year, that I need to upgrade again.


Any recommendations?

Tom


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new motherboard causes serial complaints

[Hendrik Boom]

I recently fried my computer (dead colling fan led to a smell of burning 
milk), and the motherboard had to be replaced.  Now Linux gives me the 
message
	ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged
on the text consoles I get to using ctl-alt-f1, ctl-alt-f2, and so on.

Messages I found on the web suggest this is because the serial port is 
misconfigured.  Now persumably the hardware autodetection was done 
correctly when I installed sarge some months age, and probably has to be 
redone. Is there soem way to do this without a reinstall?

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tkmixer Pcm control doesn't control after new motherboard

[Daniel Barclay]

In tkmixer, the Pcm control no longer works for me.

I upgraded from a computer with a SoundBlaster 16 to one with an Asus
A7M266-D with onboard C-Media 8738 audio.

On the new system, tkmixer displays fewer sliders, so obviously 
something is different.  

The problem is the Pcm slider.  It doesn't seem to do anything for
computer-played MP3 audio (as it did before), and no control other than
the master volume control seems to affect MP3 volume.

Any hints?

Thanks,
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Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Rogerio Brito]

On Dec 26 2000, Rob Hudson wrote:
> But if you have an empty system, how do you install debian?

Use the UDMA/66 controller instead and only then compile the
kernel with the appropriate drivers. BTW, I have this board
and it works wonderfully. I'm really happy with it. So happy
in fact, that when I got it, I was akin to a child with a new
toy. :-) Well, it is indeed a toy. :-)


[]s, Roger...

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Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Rogerio Brito]

On Dec 27 2000, Ian Tan wrote:
> I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with
> built-in "Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a
> new 30Gb Quantum ATA/100 hard disk. :)

I have this very same board and it works perfectly.
Unfortunately, I don't have an UDMA/100 drive, everything
works perfectly well other than that.

I suggest you just plug your drive on the first (i.e., UDMA/66
controller), install potato, install gcc, ncurses etc, grab a
kernel from your favourite kernel.org mirror and André's
Hedrick patch from http://www.linux-ide.org/. Compile it
accordingly and you'll be able to use the Promise controller.

> I have looked at the latest kernel -- 2.4.0-test12 and it doesn't
> seem to have any IDE options that are relevant ...

These kernels *do* have support for the Promise controller.

> Have I overlooked anything? Does anyone have any ideas?


Hope this helps, Roger...

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Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Phillip Deackes]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:09:10 -0800
Rob Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was planning on buying this board soon, so I'm interested in the
> possibly solutions.  Let me see if I got this right...
> 
> (1) Use the UDMA-66 controller.
> 
> (2) Compile a kernel with the UDMA-100 support in it (either on
> another machine, or when using the UDMA-66), and boot from that.
> 
> But if you have an empty system, how do you install debian?  Are
> there docs on how to make an installation boot disk with certain
> modules compiled into the kernel?

I recently rebuilt my machine using a Soltek SL-75KV2 motherboard, also
UDMA 100 compatible. What I did was build a kernel to support the new
board *before* I installed it, on the old machine and used the same hard
drive in the new machine. I then used Partition Magic to copy over the
partition to the new drive and everything worked perfectly.

What I used was the 2.2.18 kernel source which I patched with the
ide.2.2.18.12.09 kernel patch which I found at: 

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/ide-2.2.18/

I made sure I compiled in support for what was going to be my new system
(as well as the old, for now.)

When I built the new machine it supported my new drive at the correct ATA
66 mode, and the old drive at ATA 33. All the features on the motherboard
were correctly identifies, as was the new AMD Duron 800 CPU.

Another suggestion is to temporarily use a bog-standard IDE cable to the
new drive - one which isn't ATA 66 compatible. This will force the machine
to see the drive as, at most, ATA 33 and should work OK. Once the new
kenel is patched and build you should be able to switch cables again.

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Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Josh McKinney]

On approximately Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:07:05AM +1000, Ian Tan wrote:
> I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with built-in 
> "Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a new 30Gb Quantum 
> ATA/100 hard disk. :)
Actually the 2.4 kernel series has support for the mentioned Promise 
controller,I have been using it happily since the first day I could get my 
hands on one.  

Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Rob Hudson]

I was planning on buying this board soon, so I'm interested in the
possibly solutions.  Let me see if I got this right...

(1) Use the UDMA-66 controller.

(2) Compile a kernel with the UDMA-100 support in it (either on
another machine, or when using the UDMA-66), and boot from that.

But if you have an empty system, how do you install debian?  Are
there docs on how to make an installation boot disk with certain
modules compiled into the kernel?

> On 20001227.0409, Stephen Rueger said ...
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:07:05AM +1000, Ian Tan wrote:
> > I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with
> built-in "Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a
> new 30Gb Quantum ATA/100 hard disk. :) 
> > 
> > However, Potato doesn't like my IDE controller and my hard disk is
> not detected, hence my system is paralised without a hard disk. (Well,
> I suspect that it is the unrecognised IDE controller that is the
> likely cause of fault, and hard disk will be detected if the correct
> IDE controller module is loaded into the kernel) 
> >
> > I have tried the udma66 and the idepci flavors and none of them seem
> to work... 
> 
> Hi Ian!
> There is a kernel-patch out in the net, and with the patched kernel
> you can create a boot-floppy and start the installation.
> Another possible solution (I did it that way) is to plug the HDD onto
> the other Controller. As long as you doesn't use more than one hard
> disks, there won't be any difference in speed, because a lonely HDD
> hasn't enough power for even an UDMA-66-controller.
> 
> G'night!
> 
> Stephen Rueger
> 
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Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Stephen Rueger]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 11:07:05AM +1000, Ian Tan wrote:
> I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with
built-in "Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a
new 30Gb Quantum ATA/100 hard disk. :) 
> 
> However, Potato doesn't like my IDE controller and my hard disk is
not detected, hence my system is paralised without a hard disk. (Well,
I suspect that it is the unrecognised IDE controller that is the
likely cause of fault, and hard disk will be detected if the correct
IDE controller module is loaded into the kernel) 
>
> I have tried the udma66 and the idepci flavors and none of them seem
to work... 

Hi Ian!
There is a kernel-patch out in the net, and with the patched kernel
you can create a boot-floppy and start the installation.
Another possible solution (I did it that way) is to plug the HDD onto
the other Controller. As long as you doesn't use more than one hard
disks, there won't be any difference in speed, because a lonely HDD
hasn't enough power for even an UDMA-66-controller.

G'night!

Stephen Rueger

Re: Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Nate Amsden]

i'd suggest looking here

http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html

compare what chipset you have to see if its compadible, if it is, i'd
suggest
trying to build a new kernel to boot with and see if that helps, if it's
not
listed then get another IDE controller ...

nate

Ian Tan wrote:
> 
> I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with built-in 
> "Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a new 30Gb Quantum 
> ATA/100 hard disk. :)
> 
> However, Potato doesn't like my IDE controller and my hard disk is not 
> detected, hence my system is paralised without a hard disk. (Well, I suspect 
> that it is the unrecognised IDE controller that is the likely cause of fault, 
> and hard disk will be detected if the correct IDE controller module is loaded 
> into the kernel)
> 
> I have tried the udma66 and the idepci flavors and none of them seem to 
> work...
> 
> I have looked at the latest kernel -- 2.4.0-test12 and it doesn't seem to 
> have any IDE options that are relevant ...
> 
> Have I overlooked anything? Does anyone have any ideas?
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Linux does not run on my new motherboard :(

[Ian Tan]

I have recently purchased an ASUS A7V motherboard (socket A) with built-in 
"Promise ATA/100 IDE controller", and so I happily bought a new 30Gb Quantum 
ATA/100 hard disk. :)

However, Potato doesn't like my IDE controller and my hard disk is not 
detected, hence my system is paralised without a hard disk. (Well, I suspect 
that it is the unrecognised IDE controller that is the likely cause of fault, 
and hard disk will be detected if the correct IDE controller module is loaded 
into the kernel)

I have tried the udma66 and the idepci flavors and none of them seem to work...

I have looked at the latest kernel -- 2.4.0-test12 and it doesn't seem to have 
any IDE options that are relevant ...

Have I overlooked anything? Does anyone have any ideas?
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Re: New Motherboard

[Rick Macdonald]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Jack Morgan wrote:

> I need to get a new Motherboard, I want to use my Celry 566 MHZ.
> Any suggestions? Has anyone got the intel 815e chip to work under
> with Debian? 

A week ago I bought an ASUS CUSL2 815e. Works fine once I turned off the
"Boot virus detect" in the BIOS. My ATA66/7200RPM drive went from 9.0 to
23.6 MB/sec with the ATA66/100 support, according to hdparm.

I didn't try to use the on-board intel video (815). Oh, I had to pop out
the battery to clear the BIOS before it would recognise my PCI video card.
Don't know why.

...RickM...

New Motherboard

[Jack Morgan]

I need to get a new Motherboard, I want to use my Celry 566 MHZ.
Any suggestions? Has anyone got the intel 815e chip to work under
with Debian? 

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Re: New motherboard (and processor)

[Michael Beattie]

On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Michael Beattie dixit:
> 
> > On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Your manufacturers website: http://www.ability.com/ (I think thats right)
> > They should have some specs on your MB, But as a stab in the dark, I would
> > say that yes, you do have an ATX board.
> > 
> > Recompiling the kernel is easy, install the kernel-package and
> > kernel-source-2.0.34 packages, and read the docs for kernel-package.
> 
> In that case, wouldn't it be worth to recompile the latest stable kernel
> (2.0.35?)?

Yeah.. it would, I installed linux on a friends ATX pc yesterday, and I
found that it is 2.0.35 that has ATX support. (Is that right folks? - I
only looked quickly)

I said 2.0.34 because that is the latest version available in hamm.

 
> > > That's good news... will they keep coming?
> > 
> > Im sorry.. I dont understand?
> 
> I was just hoping you would give me the same good news about the m'board, so
> good news "would keep coming".

Aha... Well.. Bad news is in the eye of the beholder,

> Thanks yet again.

Not a problem

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Re: New motherboard (and processor)

[homega]

Michael Beattie dixit:

> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > I'm just checking on it... now, the old m'board is an AT based on the UMC
> > UM8498F... (made in Taiwan... ops, like faked watches, no wonder...).
> > The new one is: Pentium 571 TXPROII VGA/3D SO (whatever this all means).
> > I just hope I don't have to recompile the kernel, I have no idea on how to
> > do it (besides, it seems to be working ok, except for the rebooting bit).
> 
> Your manufacturers website: http://www.ability.com/ (I think thats right)
> They should have some specs on your MB, But as a stab in the dark, I would
> say that yes, you do have an ATX board.
> 
> Recompiling the kernel is easy, install the kernel-package and
> kernel-source-2.0.34 packages, and read the docs for kernel-package.

In that case, wouldn't it be worth to recompile the latest stable kernel
(2.0.35?)?

>  
> > > >  Also, I got hold of an Intel MMX processor (I currently have a
> > > > P-120), and am wondering if I have to tell Debian somehow about the 
> > > > change,
> > > > or will it be just like with the m'board.
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't matter. Mine didn't complain.
> > 
> > That's good news... will they keep coming?
> 
> Im sorry.. I dont understand?

I was just hoping you would give me the same good news about the m'board, so
good news "would keep coming".

Thanks yet again.

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Re: New motherboard (and processor)

[Michael Beattie]

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Michael Beattie dixit:
> > On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi there,
> > > 
> > > I recently had the motherboard changed in my machine.  There's nothing 
> > > I've
> > > changed in Debian since, and it seems it had no problems with the change. 
> > > Just one though, Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work properly.  It starts the 
> > > shutting
> > > down process down to the last line, but when it comes to actually 
> > > rebooting
> > > the system, the screen stays blank and it doesn't reboot (so, I have to
> > > resort to the reset button).  Instead, windows95 restarting works fine.
> > > Any idea of why this might be?  May be anything I have to change in the
> > > BIOS?
> > 
> > You haven't gone from an AT board to ATX have you? If you have, its a
> > simple matter of recompiling the kernel with ATX support.
> 
> I'm just checking on it... now, the old m'board is an AT based on the UMC
> UM8498F... (made in Taiwan... ops, like faked watches, no wonder...).
> The new one is: Pentium 571 TXPROII VGA/3D SO (whatever this all means).
> I just hope I don't have to recompile the kernel, I have no idea on how to
> do it (besides, it seems to be working ok, except for the rebooting bit).

Your manufacturers website: http://www.ability.com/ (I think thats right)
They should have some specs on your MB, But as a stab in the dark, I would
say that yes, you do have an ATX board.

Recompiling the kernel is easy, install the kernel-package and
kernel-source-2.0.34 packages, and read the docs for kernel-package.
 
> > >  Also, I got hold of an Intel MMX processor (I currently have a
> > > P-120), and am wondering if I have to tell Debian somehow about the 
> > > change,
> > > or will it be just like with the m'board.
> > 
> > Shouldn't matter. Mine didn't complain.
> 
> That's good news... will they keep coming?

Im sorry.. I dont understand?
 
> Thanks so much.

No worries.

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Re: New motherboard (and processor)

[homega]

Michael Beattie dixit:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > I recently had the motherboard changed in my machine.  There's nothing I've
> > changed in Debian since, and it seems it had no problems with the change. 
> > Just one though, Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work properly.  It starts the shutting
> > down process down to the last line, but when it comes to actually rebooting
> > the system, the screen stays blank and it doesn't reboot (so, I have to
> > resort to the reset button).  Instead, windows95 restarting works fine.
> > Any idea of why this might be?  May be anything I have to change in the
> > BIOS?
> 
> You haven't gone from an AT board to ATX have you? If you have, its a
> simple matter of recompiling the kernel with ATX support.

I'm just checking on it... now, the old m'board is an AT based on the UMC
UM8498F... (made in Taiwan... ops, like faked watches, no wonder...).
The new one is: Pentium 571 TXPROII VGA/3D SO (whatever this all means).
I just hope I don't have to recompile the kernel, I have no idea on how to
do it (besides, it seems to be working ok, except for the rebooting bit).

> >  Also, I got hold of an Intel MMX processor (I currently have a
> > P-120), and am wondering if I have to tell Debian somehow about the change,
> > or will it be just like with the m'board.
> 
> Shouldn't matter. Mine didn't complain.

That's good news... will they keep coming?

Thanks so much.


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Re: New motherboard (and processor)

[Michael Beattie]

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I recently had the motherboard changed in my machine.  There's nothing I've
> changed in Debian since, and it seems it had no problems with the change. 
> Just one though, Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work properly.  It starts the shutting
> down process down to the last line, but when it comes to actually rebooting
> the system, the screen stays blank and it doesn't reboot (so, I have to
> resort to the reset button).  Instead, windows95 restarting works fine.
> Any idea of why this might be?  May be anything I have to change in the
> BIOS?

You haven't gone from an AT board to ATX have you? If you have, its a
simple matter of recompiling the kernel with ATX support.

>  Also, I got hold of an Intel MMX processor (I currently have a
> P-120), and am wondering if I have to tell Debian somehow about the change,
> or will it be just like with the m'board.

Shouldn't matter. Mine didn't complain.


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New motherboard (and processor)

[homega]

Hi there,

I recently had the motherboard changed in my machine.  There's nothing I've
changed in Debian since, and it seems it had no problems with the change. 
Just one though, Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work properly.  It starts the shutting
down process down to the last line, but when it comes to actually rebooting
the system, the screen stays blank and it doesn't reboot (so, I have to
resort to the reset button).  Instead, windows95 restarting works fine.
Any idea of why this might be?  May be anything I have to change in the
BIOS?  Also, I got hold of an Intel MMX processor (I currently have a
P-120), and am wondering if I have to tell Debian somehow about the change,
or will it be just like with the m'board.

Thanks.

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Un saludo,

Horacio

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