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On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:05:28AM +1000, John wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for all intents purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_ have starved you all into submission...) H, OK, flamewar started... Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Don't take it too personally. Some Americans get all their info from movies or the glorified history :) He gets many points wrong - Brits are not speaking German because of the Russians not the US. US wanted to _stop_ aiding Britan before Perl Harbor because Britain could not pay the bills - it was with the help of Canada and others that Britain did not starve [I guess, thank you Americans goes there :-] Americian view of WWII was another European conflict and they only had business interrests in it, well, until a few ships got sunk. And why the heck do I say that Brits are not speaking German because of the Russians? Well, German army lost 7 out of 8 soldiers in WWII in the Russian campaign. Also, for anyone that might be interrested, out of about 50 million people that died, ~50% of them were of the former Soviet Union origin. Over 10 million were civilians. Plus Hitler did not want to invade England or have a war with the west - he only wanted to exterminate most of the countries to the east to create more living space for the Arian race. - Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002.05.26 23:21 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. I wouldn't be so certain. It was the economic disaster and perpetual chip on the shoulder, directly attributable to post-World War I sanctions, that lead to the rise of the National Socialist Party. Don't know about you, but I'm keeping a close eye on both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 23:02, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.26 23:21 Ron Johnson wrote: On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. I wouldn't be so certain. It was the economic disaster and perpetual chip on the shoulder, directly attributable to post-World War I sanctions, that lead to the rise of the National Socialist Party. Don't know about you, but I'm keeping a close eye on both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. What can the Pakistani military do to the US? Maybe sink a ship with one of it subs... I'm not worried about Big Clashes Between Big Armies And Big Navies, a la WW1, WW2 Korea. My 2 worries are: 1. Asymetric warfare (a.k.a. terrorism) against US interests suck us into small wars that suddenly flash into bigger regional conflicts. 2. Regional craziness. Pakistan vs. India Columbian civil war PRC decides to kill the Golden Goose (ROC) -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. So how exactly did Desert Shield, Desert Storm, the occupation of Somolia, the invasion of Nicaragua, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War somehow not count as wars? America is a hostile nation. -- Baloo pgppgh7clqVbh.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 10:21:46PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. There's that superiority complex again. -- Baloo pgpSPFyBaCdj0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Would you deep thinker mind taking this tread offline. Or maybe start a new list debian-soapbox Thanks, David On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 10:21:46PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. There's that superiority complex again. -- Baloo -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian, I've heard it said on this list that Canucks and Aussies have inferiority complexes. I think we Yanks do too. Being upstarts (+- 200 years makes us adolescents in the history of humankind) we are a bit sensitive about self image. We actually have a lot in common with our Australian cousins. And Canadians too. The average Yank is a good guy who doesn't trust the government, works hard and behaves decently towards his neighbors. But our behaviour as a nation is still young and foolish - maybe if our elected officials served their country rather than their wallets we would mature as nation, at a faster pace. I think the lacking leadership is a serious issue here...greed (and avarice) don't make for stability - either internally or in the community of nations. I've come to regard (former President) Jimmy Carter as a sort of Yank version of Gandhi. He works hard to help people in need (Habitat for Humanity), uses his influence for the common good (trying to normalise relations with Castro), is a humble guy and occasionally has lust in his heart...he he. I hope he inspires future leaders as we could sure use a steadier hand at the helm. Cheers --- Thomas Good e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer/Analyst phone: (+1) 718.818.5528 Residential Services fax: (+1) 718.818.5056 Behavioral Health Services, SVCMC-NY mobile: (+1) 917.282.7359 -- -- SQL Clinic - An Open Source Clinical Record www.sqlclinic.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just realized I started this thread, several topics ago! Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. Unless fascism takes root in the United States itself. Please read my essay Is This the America I Love http://www.goingware.com/notes/america.html Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. About forty years prior to 1939 the United States carried out such pacificistic activities as the war in the Philippines, something few americans even know about today, but in which countless numbers of innocent filipinos were very cruelly killed in the name of the United States' colonian ambitions. One of the few people to speak out against the atrocities in the Philippines was Mark Twain (the pen name for Samual Clemens), for which he was widely regarded as a dangerously unpatriotic scoundrel. http://www.boondocksnet.com/ai/twain/ has some of his writings on the matter. Try a google search for: mark twain war philippines And you'll find lots of pages about it. Mike -- Michael D. Crawford GoingWare Inc. - Expert Software Development and Consulting http://www.goingware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to the GoingWare Newsletter at http://www.goingware.com/newsletter/ Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 08:02:33AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: But our behaviour as a nation is still young and foolish - maybe if our elected officials served their country rather than their wallets we would mature as nation, at a faster pace. I think the lacking Unfortunately, the legislature won't pass a working wage and no more for themselves, no matter how much it would benefit the whole. Even though The Oregonian, New York Times and The People all reported recently that 63% of Americans don't have anything other than Social Security awaiting them at retirement. I've come to regard (former President) Jimmy Carter as a sort of Yank version of Gandhi. He works hard to help people in need (Habitat for Humanity), uses his influence for the common good (trying to normalise relations with Castro), is a humble guy and occasionally has lust in his heart...he he. I hope he inspires future leaders as we could sure use a steadier hand at the helm. He also realised the prohibition on marijauna was ineffective and made mention of it in a 1977(?) speech. We'd save a lot of money not locking up people who don't care to do more than sit on the couch and eat twinkies in thier off-time. -- Baloo pgpHZTV8okkgV.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 2002.05.27 08:02 Thomas Good wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian, I've heard it said on this list that Canucks and Aussies have inferiority complexes. I think we Yanks do too. Being upstarts (+- 200 years makes us adolescents in the history of humankind) we are a bit sensitive about self image. We actually have a lot in common with our Australian cousins. And Canadians too. The average Yank is a good guy who doesn't trust the government, works hard and behaves decently towards his neighbors. But our behaviour as a nation is still young and foolish - maybe if our elected officials served their country rather than their wallets we would mature as nation, at a faster pace. I think the lacking leadership is a serious issue here...greed (and avarice) don't make for stability - either internally or in the community of nations. Tom, Have you read the Federalist Papers? If not, I would highly recommend that you do. 'Publius' makes a strong argument for balancing the relative strengths and weaknesses of centralized control and de-centralized government by allowing the states to govern their own internal affairs and restricting the role of the federal government to conflicts between the states and relations with the outside world, a balance that has largely been missing since 1865. The increasing influence of big money, both from the private sector and from non-business interests such as organized labor and other special interest groups, is indeed disturbing, but I see it as more a symptom of the increasingly invasive influence of the federal government than as a cause. Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 27 May 2002 05:02 am, Thomas Good wrote: [snip] I've come to regard (former President) Jimmy Carter as a sort of Yank version of Gandhi. He works hard to help people in need (Habitat for Humanity), uses his influence for the common good (trying to normalise relations with Castro), is a humble guy and occasionally has lust in his heart...he he. I hope he inspires future leaders as we could sure use a steadier hand at the helm. what a pity carter's humanitarianism hadn't kicked in by the time he was signing off on arms exports to indonesia during the invasion of east timor. i wish him luck on working off the bad karma, but he ain't no gandhi. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 27 May 2002 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 09:42:06PM -0500, Dale Hair wrote: Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. So how exactly did Desert Shield, Desert Storm, the occupation of Somolia, the invasion of Nicaragua, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War somehow not count as wars? America is a hostile nation. This contradiction is only apparent. While it's perhaps true that most citizen of the USA (*) are pacifist, most of them are also unaware of what their government _actually_ do in the matter of foriegn affairs. CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat during the '70s, mainly to stop the lefty political movements and guerrillas. Some 3 souls were tortured and killed or dissapeared only in Argentina. It was easier, cheaper and cleaner that an open invasion. Some friends of mine who traveled to the US were surprised nobody knew about that, and in fact, many got offended at the sole mention. In fact, I believe US is not an hostile nation, but it has an hostile government, and certainly, and isolationistic population. I find very hard to believe that the common US citizen would be proud of what US government does in / with foreing countries if they _actually knew_ what it happens outside. In a visit to Argentina in early '80s, US musician and geek Laurie Anderson said in an interview that US people is like a huge baby, sleeping the American dream. I hope that the huge baby (and not the military power) wake up before it's too late. (*) I'm american too, but from a southern country, so I used the more specific US citizen. -- Daniel Toffetti --- 'There is no spoon...' - The Matrix Running Debian Sid version 3.0 with Linux 2.4.13 i686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This contradiction is only apparent. While it's perhaps true that most citizen of the USA (*) are pacifist, most of them are also unaware of what their government _actually_ do in the matter of foriegn affairs. This is true, but I think most US citizens prefer to not know these things, just let the government do what they think best. CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat during the '70s, mainly to stop the lefty political movements and guerrillas. But is life there better now than it was then? (probably) What would life be like in those countries now if the communist dictators were still in power. War and conflicts are hell, but it's sometimes necessary for a better future. Some 3 souls were tortured and killed or dissapeared only in Argentina. It was easier, cheaper and cleaner that an open invasion. Some friends of mine who traveled to the US were surprised nobody knew about that, and in fact, many got offended at the sole mention. We don't really want to know about it, just let us live our normal, happy lives. (sad) In fact, I believe US is not an hostile nation, but it has an hostile government, and certainly, and isolationistic population. I find very hard to believe that the common US citizen would be proud of what US government does in / with foreing countries if they _actually knew_ what it happens outside. If we knew, we would not be so proud. But maybe these things the government does, that we don't want to know about, is best for the future. I know they have made many mistakes, and I think we should know and understand what's going on in the world and why. Then we would stand a better chance of electing better representatives to our government. In a visit to Argentina in early '80s, US musician and geek Laurie Anderson said in an interview that US people is like a huge baby, sleeping the American dream. I hope that the huge baby (and not the military power) wake up before it's too late. (*) I'm american too, but from a southern country, so I used the more specific US citizen. -- Daniel Toffetti --- 'There is no spoon...' - The Matrix Running Debian Sid version 3.0 with Linux 2.4.13 i686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat during the '70s, mainly to stop the lefty political movements and guerrillas. But is life there better now than it was then? (probably) What would life be like in those countries now if the communist dictators were still in power. War and conflicts are hell, but it's sometimes necessary for a better future. In the cases of Guatemala and Chile, the USA sponsored coups against democratically elected governments that replaced them with dictators. -- Keith Willoughby I couldn't even find anything to read. The hotel shop only had two decent books and I'd written both of them. - Douglas Adams -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2002-05-27 at 17:54, Keith Willoughby wrote: Dale Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CIA's School of the Americas trained military men from most countries in South America in torturing and dirty war techniques. US supported economically and politically all of the coups d'etat during the '70s, mainly to stop the lefty political movements and guerrillas. But is life there better now than it was then? (probably) What would life be like in those countries now if the communist dictators were still in power. War and conflicts are hell, but it's sometimes necessary for a better future. In the cases of Guatemala and Chile, the USA sponsored coups against democratically elected governments that replaced them with dictators. WOW, sponsor one coup and everyone thinks your the bad guy. ;-) -- -Peace kid Scott Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters, rapper Ice Cube said. But these haters need to realize that if you mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Mon, May 27, 2002, Thomas Good ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Ian D. Stewart wrote: Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian, I've heard it said on this list that Canucks and Aussies have inferiority I've pointed this out off-list to several participants. This discussion is _thoroughly_ off topic. Programmers may need beer, but war is a decidedly optional peripheral. May I suggest Slashdot or Kuro5hin as appropriate forums? My killfile is craving for some fresh blood Thank you. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? zIWETHEY: Provocative, super smart, and oh yeah, just a little sexy. http://z.iwethey.org/forums/ pgpaNJdjh84Bh.pgp Description: PGP signature
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You're right, I forgot how I got into this thread, I think it was the beer. I just poured myself a shot of Bushmills, an Irish whisky. Memorial Day weekend is over and I'm facing the alligators again in the morning. I've pointed this out off-list to several participants. This discussion is _thoroughly_ off topic. Programmers may need beer, but war is a decidedly optional peripheral. May I suggest Slashdot or Kuro5hin as appropriate forums? My killfile is craving for some fresh blood Thank you. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? zIWETHEY: Provocative, super smart, and oh yeah, just a little sexy. http://z.iwethey.org/forums/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 23:29, Paul Johnson wrote: snip As much as US action was admirable during World War II, I've noticed that pretty much every American accomplishment mentioned in casual conversation is extremely violent, and yet Americans still refer to America as a peace-loving nation. Rght. Even the 1960s with the motto peace, love and rock and roll was pretty damn violent at home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. Makes you wonder if they were looking for a reason to try and start a second revolution or something. I dont know where you live, but there are countries that you could get shot as a subversive in. Not so many anymore, but Im thinking there are still a few. We never said our government was perfect, just the best we could do at the time. Check my sig. I know its long but its applicable. -- -Peace kid Scott Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty: power is ever stealing from the many to the few. The manna of popular liberty must be gathered each day, or it is rotten... The hand entrusted with power becomes, either from human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity... Never look, for an age when the people can be quiet and safe. At such times despotism, like a shrouding mist, steals over the mirror of Freedom - Wendell Phillips -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 22:29, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't [snip] have starved you all into submission...) As much as US action was admirable during World War II, I've noticed that pretty much every American accomplishment mentioned in casual conversation is extremely violent, and yet Americans still refer to Transistors, ICs, microprocessors, nylon, space exploration, heavier-than-air flight, hard disks and lasers all seem pretty non-violent to me... Television, tape recording and the VCR are also accomplishments, but I'd rather not brag about them... America as a peace-loving nation. Rght. Even the 1960s with _I_ never said we were/are peace-loving. It's a nice dream, but our country was born in revolution and continental conquest. The apathetic peasants stayed in the Old World. The Hungry came over here. [snip] home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. You aren't talking about Kent State are you? -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. You aren't talking about Kent State are you? I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name. It wasn't taught in school, strangely enough. I heard about it elsewhere. -- Baloo pgpLNFWGw7iHp.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, Oh dear. Look, beer is one thing, but this.. Why not start an alt.religion.debian group somewhere? Quick, before its too late. Just a thought Glyn -- Debian Home http://www.debian.org Debian Planet http://www.debianplanet.org/ For the children http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ In a hurry??? http://qref.sourceforge.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 00:41, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest.
You aren't talking about Kent State are you?
I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name. It wasn't
taught in school, strangely enough. I heard about it elsewhere.
Sorry, no helicopters at the Kent State Massacre. No
peaceful anti-war protest either.
In the days preceding the incident, there was drunken
vandalism and the ROTC building was torched.
http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~paulsjo/KentState.html/
Note: ROTC [Reserve Officer Training Corps] is for college
students who know they want to join the armed forces, but do
not go to a Service Academy.
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On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd
to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest.
You aren't talking about Kent State are you?
I think that's where it was, I couldn't remember the name. It wasn't
taught in school, strangely enough. I heard about it elsewhere.
It occurred in May 1970. In 1974 I attended a protest/remembrance
there (I am an Ohioan) and heard Jane Fonda, Daniel Ellsberg, Julian
Bond, et al., speak. It was declared a sacred site, etc. A few
years later the bloodsoaked ground was ploughed so a new gymnasium
could be built. The administration was unconcerned with the protests
about this insensitive behaviour. This sort of thing is not taught
in American schools perhaps because it is seemingly at odds with our
democratic principles. The less polished side of US history is covered
well by Howard Zinn (Peoples History of the United States - used at
several universities) and a great book called: 'The 60s Without Apology.'
By the way gents, there was no helicopter involved at Kent State.
The guardsmen believed (or so it was said later) they had been issued
blanks. The orders were to fire into the ground (makes more noise).
Obviously they missed...four dead in O-Hi-O is how Crosby, Stills
and Nash put it. A painful chapter in the history of the US Armed
Forces.
Now there was a similar event (same time frame) that occurred at
Jackson State in Mississippi. Maybe a helo was involved there?
Cheers (very much enjoying this thread although it isn't work related!)
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On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 07:57:27AM -0400, Thomas Good wrote: about this insensitive behaviour. This sort of thing is not taught in American schools perhaps because it is seemingly at odds with our democratic principles. The less polished side of US history is covered well by Howard Zinn (Peoples History of the United States - used at several universities) and a great book called: 'The 60s Without Apology.' Interesting. I might have to pick that up to get me through a particularly dull shift. Now there was a similar event (same time frame) that occurred at Jackson State in Mississippi. Maybe a helo was involved there? Possibly. I swear I remember seing film footage in a documentary on IFC about the 60s a while back. Baloo - should you stop by New York City pop in. We'll have a pint and maybe a glass of decent whisky (if any is left by that time!) Sure, not sure how I'm going to get to NYC again now that I don't have a job that sends me *everywhere*. -- Baloo pgpVxyvZcBtQo.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 06:57, Thomas Good wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 12:02:35AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] By the way gents, there was no helicopter involved at Kent State. 2 days before the Massacre, there was a helicopter used to try and disperse crowds/rioting. -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for all intents purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_ have starved you all into submission...) H, OK, flamewar started... Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. The main US base in Oz was at Tweed Heads, which is pretty close to halfway along the eastern seaboard. The US plan was to let the Japanese have the northern part of Oz, to a line that passes through where Brisbane is. It was only after major pressure from Great Britain that the USA abandoned the plan of letting the Japanese take AND KEEP about half of Australia and started to support our troops in Papua New Guinea. This change of tactics was instrumental in bringing about the Battle of the Coral Sea and the Battle of the Bismark Sea, which were pretty much the turning point of the Pacific war. There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military dominated expansionary Government)... John P Foster (who is NOT the guy who makes Foster's Lager) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote: There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military dominated expansionary Government)... Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Ian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 19:05, John wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for all intents purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_ have starved you all into submission...) H, OK, flamewar started... Flame war? I've seen no vituperation or mean-spirited invective, and I don't intended to start one. Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. (A _continent_ got the crap bombed out of it? It took 10 years for the US to do that in Viet Nam, and the IJN didn't have B-17-sized planes, much less B-29s or B-52s. Germany barely bombed the crap out of London, much less the rest of England.) Very strong internal isolationist sentiments allowed even Lend-Lease to only pass Congress after major arm-twisting by Roosevelt. The only reason the the USN was able to help with GB in the BoA before 07-Dec was by not making it public knowledge. If FDR _had_ followed US neutrality laws, .uk would now be .de. The main US base in Oz was at Tweed Heads, which is pretty close to halfway along the eastern seaboard. The US plan was to let the Japanese have the northern part of Oz, to a line that passes through where Brisbane is. It was only after major pressure from Great Britain that I didn't know that, but am _not_ surprised. Not because I don't like Oz, or do like Nippon. It's because the US war economy wasn't even in 1st gear yet, not to mention that most of the PacFlt was at the bottom of Pearl Harbor, The Philippines, Burma _and_ Singapore had fallen. Thus, I presume that pragmatic military planners did not think that we could save Australia by shipping enough men+ material all the way from Hawaii in the face of the unstopp- able Imperial Japanese Navy. Fortunately, those pragmatic military planners were wrong. the USA abandoned the plan of letting the Japanese take AND KEEP about half of Australia and started to support our troops in Papua New Guinea. This change of tactics was instrumental in bringing about the Battle of the Coral Sea and the Battle of the Bismark Sea, which were pretty much the turning point of the Pacific war. If we (along, of course, with help from Coastwatchers and RAN) hadn't been able to hold on to Guadalcanal, it would have been impossible to support ANZ even after Coral Sea. There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to Does the rest of the world think we've been a super-power since 1776? Up until _late_ 1941, the US _never_ever_ had anything but a _tiny_ standing Army. the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military dominated expansionary Government)... Is that some veiled reference to some hypothetical Indonesia- of-the-future? -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 19:38, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.05.26 20:05 John wrote: There's a lot of Aussies still pretty bitter about how hard it was to get the Yanks to abandon the idea of giving nearly half the contenent to the Empire. We sometimes wonder if that's what our allies are like what would we expect in say an invasion from Cimmeria (an imaginary archipelogo somewhere to the north of Australia with a Military dominated expansionary Government)... Oh, that's nothing. You should see what the Yanks do to folks they really don't like (hint: do a Google search for 'Sherman March Sea'). You wanna talk about bitter? South Carolina's unofficial state motto is 'WE didn't surrender' Geez. Didn't even think about that. When my grandmother (who's Old School and from Atlanta) found out that I was marrying a Yankee (from New York, no less), and that her great-grandchildren would be 1/2 Yankee, she almost swooned... -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 21:42, Dale Hair wrote: Actually, the USA was asked to help Australia in 1939. We had the crap bombed out of us. After Pearl Harbour the USA decided that Oz was a great place to base a lot of Operations. Most Americans tend to be isolationists and pacifists, it took Pearl Harbor to awaken the sleeping giant. It actually created a giant superpower as we like to refer to ourselves. Then on Sept. 11 the giant awoke again. If something like 1939 were to happen again, we will be there. Nothing like militaristic Nazi Germany will happen again while the US is the lone hyperpower. -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Thu, May 23, 2002, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Glyn Millington wrote: When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? By definition, one from Champagne, France -- anything else is not champagne, only sparkling wine (not that that can't be good; I'm just being picky about the nomenclature -- then again, I've yet to find a sparkling wine to match a really good French champagne). For a really superb champagne, something like Krug is unbeatable, but it costs $100 or more for a bottle. For US $30-50, Taittinger, Veuve Clicquot, or Moet Chandon (not Domain Chandon, which is an American subsidiary of MC) is a good choice -- brut (dry) or demi-sec (somewhat sweet) according to your preference. If you want to spend less than US $30, then unless you find a real bargain somewhere, you're stuck with California sparkling wines, in which case Domain Chandon is a reasonable choice. Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry We've sampled Gloria Ferrer Fridays at work, it's passable dry bubbly. I should ask around for some local picks. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? ;-) -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? The Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act: Feinstein's answer to Enron envy. http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cbdtpa/hollings.s2048.032102.html pgpK3vEf53agY.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:40:07AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry Or Oregon, for those of us who avoid sending money to California. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? I haven't exactly been seeing a flamewar, this has been pretty civilised. You want a flamewar? Go read some of the stuff in alt.fan.furry. -- Baloo pgpV36Dt8Nck4.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 09:49, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:40:07AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: Pity there's nobody on the list living in Napa serving the wine industry Or Oregon, for those of us who avoid sending money to California. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? I haven't exactly been seeing a flamewar, this has been pretty civilised. You want a flamewar? Go read some of the stuff in alt.fan.furry. I don't even want to *know* what that newsgroup's about. *fbog* Take care, Peter. -- Peter Whysall [EMAIL PROTECTED] The TLD in my email address is sdrawkcab. Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 sid -- kernel 2.4.18 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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begin Karsten M. Self quotation: I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? Actually, the amazing thing is that it hasn't been a flamewar at all, aside from a few mildly inflammatory remarks from Australians and Canadians (two countries whose inhabitants are well-known for their inferiority complexes). Fortunately, most Americans have learned by now to take such remarks in stride. Craig (Hah. NOW we'll have a flamewar.) pgpef441FT84T.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Actually, the amazing thing is that it hasn't been a flamewar at all, aside from a few mildly inflammatory remarks from Australians and Canadians (two countries whose inhabitants are well-known for their inferiority complexes). Fortunately, most Americans have learned by now to take such remarks in stride. To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the outside at the rest of the US wondering what planet the rest of America beamed in from. Not that northern Idaho has much room to speak on this right now, but I've been told that the groups that removed speaking room aren't exactly welcome there themselves. (Hah. NOW we'll have a flamewar.) Only because you trolled for it. -- Baloo pgprAInelBB9a.pgp Description: PGP signature
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If you want to spend less than US $30, then unless you find a real bargain somewhere, you're stuck with California sparkling wines, in which case Domain Chandon is a reasonable choice. We've sampled Gloria Ferrer Fridays at work, it's passable dry bubbly. I should ask around for some local picks. I'm coming up with another reason to recommend Debian: what _other_ distro has 100+ post flamewars on beer? ;-) Not only that, nobody even DARED to post complaining stay on topic, please !... :) -- Daniel Toffetti --- 'There is no spoon...' - The Matrix Running Debian Sid version 3.0 with Linux 2.4.13 i686 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 08:37, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 04:46:29AM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: [snip] To make an observation, Americans have this bizarre superiority complex. Oregonians, and to a lesser degree, Idahoans, tend to look in from the It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for all intents purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_ have starved you all into submission...) And we computer geeks certainly can't forget the transistor, the IC and the microprocessor... Of course, domestic beer is _not_ one of those 1,000 US accomplish- ments. :-o -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 01:00:51PM -0300, Daniel Toffetti wrote: Not only that, nobody even DARED to post complaining stay on topic, please !... :) My only real disappointment is the subject line I put on when the topic changed didn't stick... apt-get install debian-beer -- Baloo pgpSS8jRxITdv.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:12:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: It's not a bizarre superiority complex. May not be valid, but certainly not bizarre. I can list 1,000 US accomplish- ments, not the least of which is making sure that Aussies aren't not speaking Japanese, and the Brits now speaking German. (Yes, you fought the Battle of Britain, but without the US Navy , for all intents purposes fighting the Battle of the Atlantic with the Royal Navy well before 07-Dec-1941, Admiral Doenitz _would_ have starved you all into submission...) As much as US action was admirable during World War II, I've noticed that pretty much every American accomplishment mentioned in casual conversation is extremely violent, and yet Americans still refer to America as a peace-loving nation. Rght. Even the 1960s with the motto peace, love and rock and roll was pretty damn violent at home and abroad. And it was still a cheap shot for the national gaurd to open fire from a helicopter on an unarmed, peaceful war protest. Makes you wonder if they were looking for a reason to try and start a second revolution or something. -- Baloo pgpQm7fJ5mUmh.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 12:33:38PM -0700, Craig Dickson wrote: Guinness's cans even have a little gadget inside to pump up the head as you pour it out. Interesting... are there any good pictures on the web of a Guinness can disected? My roommates aren't into Guinness (preferring Moosehead, but occasionally Labatt or Molsons if Moosehead isn't available) and I'm just a few months too young to buy it in this part of the continent. -- Baloo pgpRsYXaOH1nO.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Gary Turner wrote: Guiness absolutely sets the standard, especially if you can find it on tap and nitrogen charged. I've been favorably impressed by some other Irish beers (but not recently nor often enough to name names). ...But with Guiness you need to use a fork to drink your beer! Kinda thick stuff... German imports to the US are good to very good for the most part. Haven't found an outstanding brew (yet). German beer doesn't really count if it leaves the country. Gotta try one of the local brews, non-pasteurized, local flavor. Very good stuff. Sam Adams Boston Lager is my favorite for day to day sipping. Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Beer trivia: According to a rumor I once heard (so I have no idea of the truth to it) Rice-based beers like Budweiser do not naturally produce any head, so soap is added to produce the familiar bubbles. -- Rich _ Rich Puhek ETN Systems Inc. _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 13:06, Rich Puhek wrote: Gary Turner wrote: [snip] German imports to the US are good to very good for the most part. Haven't found an outstanding brew (yet). German beer doesn't really count if it leaves the country. Gotta try one of the local brews, non-pasteurized, local flavor. Very good stuff. Czech beers are tops. Staropraman 12 is the uber-beer. Too bad it's not available stateside. The pasteurization and travel across the pond in big, hot cargo ships would probably kill the taste... Sam Adams Boston Lager is my favorite for day to day sipping. Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Beer trivia: According to a rumor I once heard (so I have no idea of the truth to it) Rice-based beers like Budweiser do not naturally produce any head, so soap is added to produce the familiar bubbles. All of the big (and even small, like Sam Adams), inject CO2 to enhance the head. That's according to a Sam Adams represen- tative on History Channel's History Alive show. -- +-+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org:81 | | | | I have created a government of whirled peas...| | Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 12-May-2002, | ! CNN, Larry King Live | +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rich Puhek writes: Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Leinenkugel's. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich Puhek writes: Sam Adams has some good stuff. Leinenkeugel (sp?) from Wisconsin is pretty good too. Leinenkugel's. Leinenkugel's, schmeinenkugels!! When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? Glyn -- Debian Home http://www.debian.org Debian Planet http://www.debianplanet.org/ For the children http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ In a hurry??? http://qref.sourceforge.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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begin Ron Johnson quotation: Czech beers are tops. Staropraman 12 is the uber-beer. Too bad it's not available stateside. The pasteurization and travel across the pond in big, hot cargo ships would probably kill the taste... That may explain why I have not been particularly impressed with the Czech beers I've tried (most recently, Lobkowicz Baron lager). But then again, I've had quite a number of European beers in the US that were wonderful. All of the big (and even small, like Sam Adams), inject CO2 to enhance the head. That's according to a Sam Adams represen- tative on History Channel's History Alive show. Guinness's cans even have a little gadget inside to pump up the head as you pour it out. Craig pgpYkrAr5zaRY.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Glyn Millington wrote: When woody emerges, what's the best champagne? By definition, one from Champagne, France -- anything else is not champagne, only sparkling wine (not that that can't be good; I'm just being picky about the nomenclature -- then again, I've yet to find a sparkling wine to match a really good French champagne). For a really superb champagne, something like Krug is unbeatable, but it costs $100 or more for a bottle. For US $30-50, Taittinger, Veuve Clicquot, or Moet Chandon (not Domain Chandon, which is an American subsidiary of MC) is a good choice -- brut (dry) or demi-sec (somewhat sweet) according to your preference. If you want to spend less than US $30, then unless you find a real bargain somewhere, you're stuck with California sparkling wines, in which case Domain Chandon is a reasonable choice. Craig pgpE7f0OsuZyY.pgp Description: PGP signature
