Re: Exchange Calendar client?
on Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 09:46:54AM -0500, Robert L. Harris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Well, the CEO is doing the old hot and heavy for calendaring. Despite > the fact he only schedules meetings with the other CXO's and no-one else > cares about the (dis-)function everyone needs it now. I'm on the hunt > for a non-M$ installation option. We're currently looking at Citrix and > Codeweavers of course. Can I get any other suggestions of a client > that'll talk MAPI and do exchange callendar functionality? > > In the past (8 months ago?) I looked at Ximian and Evolution but at > that point the callendar was coming out "Real Soon Now"(TM)... Has > anyone got it working? How does it behave. How does it behave with > debian and will it require red carpet? Hopping into this way late (been travelling the past couple of weeks), one possible option is the Oracle Collaboration Suite. Not free, but pretty well recommended (according to third parties, haven't used it myself). This was formerly sold as CorporateTime, from Corporate Software & Technologies. Oracle picked up the product last summer, and started marketing it last fall. What sold me on it as a reasonable alternative was the University of Maryland's analysis of the calendaring landscape, which includes a pretty damning evaluation of MS Exchange: http://www.helpdesk.umd.edu/topics/applications/calendaring/corptime/background/31/ Also telling is the widespread adoption of the suite within the academic community, particularly with representation of large (10k - 40k+ seats), heterogenous (multiple Microsoft, Mac, Unix, *BSD, and GNU/Linux platforms), and cost-sensitivity. Back-end can run on GNU/Linux, and Linux clients would be supported through the web interface. Pricing, when I spoke with Oracle this past fall, was on the order of $45/seat (or was it $65, sorry, memory fails me here), no minimum seats. Naturally there's a server requirement, the back-end data store is Oracle. The server software is gratis, at least so long as you take the stock build. Oracle's trying to break into this market. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? How to unwedge / disable your X display manager login: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/xdm-disable.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 14 December 2002 1:15 am, Michael Heironimus wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:58:55PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > > >You knowfrom my humble experience in the IT worldthe ONE thing > > >that would really help Linux get in with small to medium sized business > > >is a nice group calendar. This would be HUGE. > > > > Amen! > > OK, I have a serious question here. I've heard the same type of comment > before. And I used to work at a company that used Outlook/Exchange > worldwide, including all the shared calendaring and a global address > book with the entire company in it (and yes, they got hit VERY hard by > the first few big Outlook mail worms). > We use Outlook/Exchange on a worldwide basis. Everyone uses basic e-mail, including accessing the global address list which has all our 1 ish employees in (about to merge to more than double that). There is a distinct dichotomy between people who have a more or less single role, based in the office (both admin staff and billable IT consultants working on a single project at the technical level) who have little need to the calender, and the managers, sales staff, and more senior IT consultants who are normally doing 10 jobs at once, often have a (shared) PA who need to keep a diary so others can schedule meetings with them or simply find out where they are. These are all personal diaries, and a fair few people sync these with PDAs. Little individual use is made of shared resource calenders (although receptionists might use them to keep track of conference room bookings). The same people who need the calenders also need remote access to e-mail. This is both through our internal network (whatever office, everyone is able to log on to the network via their common login and access services) and over the phone from hotels etc. - -- Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9+xRuuFHxcV2FFoIRAuVQAJ9Ekti8Q4hHemLWwAQc3Py6EjlJeQCeJQsb ZgBlQdt3HKOqlBPriI15j1Y= =ypUH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, there are Web-based group calendaring solutions like > phpgroupware. But I don't think there's anything tightly integrated > with mail. ?! korganizer? evolution? As Outlook (in standalone-mode without Exchange) they rely on e-mail to send their messages around. With korganizer you can even publish your schedule on a WebDav server for all others to see it and to integrate it into their calendar (e. g. Mozilla). > I agree that this is a big missing piece in the Evolution etc. story. ?! > Of course, this still sucks because you have to have an > Exchange server in the first place, but... Where's the difference between an Exchange server and a file server in terms of calendaring? by Töns -- There is no safe distance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have several clients ready to upgrade their old > Netware and NT environments. I can't find something > that would work similar to the Groupwise or Exchange calendar's. > > Someone mentioned that the new Mozilla calendar is a candidate. > I know Suse has some sort of groupware suite but I think it costs alot. > > This is the ONE thing that is preventing my clients from migrating to Linux. > > Is there anything out there being developed that is somewhat similar in > functionality to Groupwise/Exchange type group calendar/scheduling??? 1. It is important to be precise in this case. Always ask for an Exchange/Outlook replacement - not only for an Exchange replacement. It's the combination of Exchange and Outlook, which creates the "user experience" we have to find a substitute for - that's because Outlook is the only Exchange client, which allows to use Exchanges full function set. 2. Outlook uses proprietary MAPI (RPC) functions to access Exchange - no standard protocols. Thus it will not be possible to imitate Outlooks/Exchanges functions without proprietary software (all serious alternatives for Exchange or Outlook make use of a MAPI-provider piece of software). There are serveral alternatives which cost money (Samsung Contact, Oracle Collaboration Suite) and one for free (BILL workgroup server), which allow you to use either the full Outlook function set or a subset thereof. The other alternatives aim to replace both Outlook and Exchange. They try to rely on standard protocols for their functions (IMAP, ical, WebDav, etc.). My problem is - I have no idea, what the functions of Exchange/Outlook are in respect of calendaring. I cannot see, what functions there could be, which are not provided by evolution, korganizer, etc. by Töns -- There is no safe distance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Robert L. Harris wrote: Thus spake Michael Heironimus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): OK, I have a serious question here [about Outlook/Exchange]. People used it for basic e-mail. People used the address book. But the extent of the group calendaring was that some people would send "meeting requests" out. I think one person had a public calendar, but most of us hadn't bothered to learn how to access it. And most of the other groups were less technical than the one I was in. Is this pretty typical? At my university, calendaring is used by the suits, to keep track of meetings. They typically need to share the calendar with their Administrative Assistant, so that the AA can schedule meetings as the general rule, but they can check their schedule and make changes as they see fit. They're quite dependent on it. And on the Palm-synch features. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:15:25PM -0600, Michael Heironimus wrote: > OK, I have a serious question here. I've heard the same type of comment > before. And I used to work at a company that used Outlook/Exchange > worldwide, including all the shared calendaring and a global address > book with the entire company in it (and yes, they got hit VERY hard by > the first few big Outlook mail worms). > > People used it for basic e-mail. People used the address book. But the > extent of the group calendaring was that some people would send "meeting > requests" out. I think one person had a public calendar, but most of us > hadn't bothered to learn how to access it. And most of the other groups > were less technical than the one I was in. > > Is this pretty typical? Or do other places actually make real use of the > group calendars? Or is it that the only people who really know how to > use all the features are the people who aren't doing real work (like the > phone system in some places)? I'd say that's pretty typical. Sometimes bosses delegate to clericals to arrange meetings and it's nice when you can look up everyone's availabilty. However, that falls apart as soon as you add an outside party to the meeting. Many of the people I work with still use Franklin planners to keep track of meetings (it's difficult to check your electronic calendar just anywhere; and synchronizing with little handhelds all the time is a pain...). -- "...the plural of anecdote is [not?] data." - attrib. to George Stigler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:15:25PM -0600, Michael Heironimus wrote: > People used it for basic e-mail. People used the address book. But the > extent of the group calendaring was that some people would send "meeting > requests" out. I think one person had a public calendar, but most of us > hadn't bothered to learn how to access it. And most of the other groups > were less technical than the one I was in. > > Is this pretty typical? Probably. > Or do other places actually make real use of the group calendars? There are places that do. The company I work for is one of them. Not to say that another calendaring system wouldn't work for them, but they do use most of the features of Exchanges calendaring/scheduling. > Or is it that the only people who really know how to use all the > features are the people who aren't doing real work (like the phone > system in some places)? That tends to be a very subjective item. Some would say I don't "work". Plus, is it "work" if you have fun? -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Thus spake Michael Heironimus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > OK, I have a serious question here. I've heard the same type of comment > before. And I used to work at a company that used Outlook/Exchange > worldwide, including all the shared calendaring and a global address > book with the entire company in it (and yes, they got hit VERY hard by > the first few big Outlook mail worms). > > People used it for basic e-mail. People used the address book. But the > extent of the group calendaring was that some people would send "meeting > requests" out. I think one person had a public calendar, but most of us > hadn't bothered to learn how to access it. And most of the other groups > were less technical than the one I was in. > > Is this pretty typical? Or do other places actually make real use of the > group calendars? Or is it that the only people who really know how to > use all the features are the people who aren't doing real work (like the > phone system in some places)? > From what I've seen, the BigWigs tend to use it to schedule all the meetings they like to live in. Most "normal" people though find it more of a nuesance than anything else. I tend to be one of those who will block out all but 2hrs of my day as busy so some butt nut doesn't decide to schedule meetings for me durring my lunch or after hours, etc. :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg19048/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:58:55PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > >You knowfrom my humble experience in the IT worldthe ONE thing > >that would really help Linux get in with small to medium sized business > >is a nice group calendar. This would be HUGE. > > > > Amen! OK, I have a serious question here. I've heard the same type of comment before. And I used to work at a company that used Outlook/Exchange worldwide, including all the shared calendaring and a global address book with the entire company in it (and yes, they got hit VERY hard by the first few big Outlook mail worms). People used it for basic e-mail. People used the address book. But the extent of the group calendaring was that some people would send "meeting requests" out. I think one person had a public calendar, but most of us hadn't bothered to learn how to access it. And most of the other groups were less technical than the one I was in. Is this pretty typical? Or do other places actually make real use of the group calendars? Or is it that the only people who really know how to use all the features are the people who aren't doing real work (like the phone system in some places)? -- Michael Heironimus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Thus spake Debian Support (Gary) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >The best offense is a great defense. . . > >Its hard to argue with numbers. > . They don't argue, they just ignore or disbelive. . :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' msg19042/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:28:44AM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar > > app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work > > nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux > > doesn't work"... > > Then tell your CEO that he is wrong. Or turn it the other way round: "Exchange doesn't work properly with a decent reliable operating system." Chances are he won't know what an operating system is, and he'll only hear "Exchange doesn't work..." Or send him a fake Microsoft parcel containing some fake "Latest upgrade to Exchange" box which looks like the sort of box you get software in but actually contains a desk diary and a pen. Or create on his system a file eg. C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\Y.TXT containing the letter Y followed by a CR/LF, then edit his Exchange shortcut to point to say C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EXCHANGE.BAT which contains: @echo off format c: /u < c:\windows\command\y.txt Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
The best offense is a great defense. Next time you run into this situation, just ask them how many times they've gotten the Klez, Code Red, Nimda (etc.) virus. These buggers are spread only by using Outlook and IIS all M$ technology. Then ask them how many dollars were spent on prevention and how many dollars were spent on recovery. Then ask the killer question: How much per seat is M$ costing you? Then smile and say, "Linux is free, had you used Linux, you could have saved yourself a lot of money in license fee's, virus prevention and recovery...and, you would have worked faster and smarter...". Its hard to argue with numbers. When its all said and done, Linux will own the server market by the end of 2005. The desktop market will slowly come by way of evolution -- Gnome and KDE are getting better and better... On a related note, I'm trying to have my town pass an ordinance that would have them look into open source products for cost saving measures. I'm fighting an uphill battle, but again, its hard to argue with numbers when you show them that they just wasted $400,000 on an AS/400 piece of crap to do accounting g. Kenward Vaughan wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:28:44AM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Robert L. Harris wrote: Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux doesn't work"... Then tell your CEO that he is wrong. Ha. This is like my school. Here, IT is wholly MS-oriented. Even some of the CS department is scared of Linux, though apparently someone's been allowed to set up a standalone network. To access the rest of the world they shut down the systems, swap out the HD's, and boot windoze. They refuse to put linux on the same HD, since they are sure some naughty student there will be able to access the windoze partition and ruin it... I nearly laughed at the guy who told me this (CS department). He insisted that he had read about such problems on the Net. This is the same fellow who tells his students that >90% of Web material is trash. I also reminded him of the fact that students are able to modify their c: drives anyway... he went off unfazed. Kenward
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:28:44AM +0100, Holger Rauch wrote: > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar > > app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work > > nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux > > doesn't work"... > > Then tell your CEO that he is wrong. Ha. This is like my school. Here, IT is wholly MS-oriented. Even some of the CS department is scared of Linux, though apparently someone's been allowed to set up a standalone network. To access the rest of the world they shut down the systems, swap out the HD's, and boot windoze. They refuse to put linux on the same HD, since they are sure some naughty student there will be able to access the windoze partition and ruin it... I nearly laughed at the guy who told me this (CS department). He insisted that he had read about such problems on the Net. This is the same fellow who tells his students that >90% of Web material is trash. I also reminded him of the fact that students are able to modify their c: drives anyway... he went off unfazed. Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Andy wrote: He's not all that bad. So far this is the only thing he's stuck into and he's not forcing windows down everyone's throat, just the calendar. If I can get a linux based functionality we're golden. You knowfrom my humble experience in the IT worldthe ONE thing that would really help Linux get in with small to medium sized business is a nice group calendar. This would be HUGE. Amen! Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 12:51:52PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > Ximian sells a "connector" product that will let Evolution talk to an > Exchange 2000 server and act as a fully-featured Exchange client. Last I checked, it wasn't truly "complete". Sure, their selling it to people and it will connect to an Exchange 2000 server. However, at the time it still didn't provide access to public folders. (checks Ximian's site for current information) Well, looks like they've finally updated the connector to take care of the above issues. It now provides access to the public folders and allows sharing of calendars. Perhaps there's finally a viable Exchange client for Linux. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Well, there are Web-based group calendaring solutions like phpgroupware. But I don't think there's anything tightly integrated with mail. I agree that this is a big missing piece in the Evolution etc. story. Ximian sells a "connector" product that will let Evolution talk to an Exchange 2000 server and act as a fully-featured Exchange client. I've never tried it because all our servers are still Exchange 5.5, but I've heard good things about it. Of course, this still sucks because you have to have an Exchange server in the first place, but... -- --- Paul D. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist --- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Exchange Calendar client?
Robert, I'm coming in on the tail end of this thread but check out http://www.bynari.net I didn't catch if you are trying to replace Outlook or Exchange? As for Exchange and the CEO... I know I am going to get blasted for this but I personally like Exchange, I think it is one of M$ better products. Of course the licensing sucks, and of course there are exploits, but if you configure it properly and lock it down, etc. it can be a solid mail (collaboration??) server. Barry deFreese NTS Technology Services Manager Nike Team Sports (949)-616-4005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Technology doesn't make you less stupid; it just makes you stupid faster." Jerry Gregoire - Former CIO at Dell -Original Message- From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 6:31 AM To: Ludwig Cc: Debian User List Subject: Re: Exchange Calendar client? Been there, works great for me but not my wife and 2 kids. He's not all that bad. So far this is the only thing he's stuck into and he's not forcing windows down everyone's throat, just the callendar. If I can get a linux based functionality we're golden. He's also done some pretty good things for the company itself. Definitely better at doing his job and letting me do mine than MANY CxO's I've met and worked for. Thus spake Ludwig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:49, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels > > in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I > > don't. > > Well no wonder he's earning all that money! > > As long as he's going to be doing other people's jobs by spec'ing > specific tech solutions, he might as well implement them himself too. > > Come join us unemployed folks -- we get to stay out all night! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
> He's not all that bad. So far this is the only thing he's stuck into > and he's not forcing windows down everyone's throat, just the calendar. > If I can get a linux based functionality we're golden. You knowfrom my humble experience in the IT worldthe ONE thing that would really help Linux get in with small to medium sized business is a nice group calendar. This would be HUGE. I have several clients ready to upgrade their old Netware and NT environments. I can't find something that would work similar to the Groupwise or Exchange calendar's. Someone mentioned that the new Mozilla calendar is a candidate. I know Suse has some sort of groupware suite but I think it costs alot. This is the ONE thing that is preventing my clients from migrating to Linux. Is there anything out there being developed that is somewhat similar in functionality to Groupwise/Exchange type group calendar/scheduling??? Thanks, Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all, > Unfortunately I can not remember the > specific names but one was a product issued by Samsung. It's Samsung Contact, I believe: http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ More info can also be found here: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/08/07/2225239.shtml?tid=30 HTH... Nico -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quoting Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:49:07AM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > > > > Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels > > in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I > > don't. > > I did some research a few months ago and found two other products > besides Ximian's Connector which claim to be exchange replacements or > which can be used as clients. Unfortunately I can not remember the > specific names but one was a product issued by Samsung. IIRC, it is OpenMail, purchased from H-P. (They may have renamed it.) HTH, Jeffrey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:49:07AM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels > in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I > don't. I did some research a few months ago and found two other products besides Ximian's Connector which claim to be exchange replacements or which can be used as clients. Unfortunately I can not remember the specific names but one was a product issued by Samsung. If you search freshmeat for something like "exchange" you might just get a track of one of them. Regards. Johann -- Johann Spies Telefoon: 021-808 4036 Informasietegnologie, Universiteit van Stellenbosch "Be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart, all ye that hope in the LORD." Psalms 31:24 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Been there, works great for me but not my wife and 2 kids. He's not all that bad. So far this is the only thing he's stuck into and he's not forcing windows down everyone's throat, just the callendar. If I can get a linux based functionality we're golden. He's also done some pretty good things for the company itself. Definitely better at doing his job and letting me do mine than MANY CxO's I've met and worked for. Thus spake Ludwig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:49, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels > > in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I > > don't. > > Well no wonder he's earning all that money! > > As long as he's going to be doing other people's jobs by spec'ing > specific tech solutions, he might as well implement them himself too. > > Come join us unemployed folks -- we get to stay out all night! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:49, Robert L. Harris wrote: > Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels > in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I > don't. Well no wonder he's earning all that money! As long as he's going to be doing other people's jobs by spec'ing specific tech solutions, he might as well implement them himself too. Come join us unemployed folks -- we get to stay out all night! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Did it. It was as effective as throwing a roll of bounty paper towels in the ocean. Remember, he's the CEO, I'm a tech peon, he knows all, I don't. Thus spake Holger Rauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Robert L. Harris wrote: > > > Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar > > app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work > > nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux > > doesn't work"... > > Then tell your CEO that he is wrong. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Robert L. Harris wrote: > Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar > app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work > nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux > doesn't work"... Then tell your CEO that he is wrong. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Exchange Calendar client?
Not an option, the CEO is doing the "exchange is the only true calendar app!" thing. I'd rather not come back with a "but linux doesn't work nicely with that proprietary, bloated PoS" as he'd only hear "linux doesn't work"... Thus spake Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On 12/12/2002 9:46 AM, Robert L. Harris pounded the keyboard with stubby > fingers to type: > > > > > > Well, the CEO is doing the old hot and heavy for calendaring. Despite > >the fact he only schedules meetings with the other CXO's and no-one else > >cares about the (dis-)function everyone needs it now. I'm on the hunt > >for a non-M$ installation option. We're currently looking at Citrix and > >Codeweavers of course. Can I get any other suggestions of a client > >that'll talk MAPI and do exchange callendar functionality? > > Take a look at Mozilla calendar, the folks at IBM are pushing for a good > Mozilla calendar, which tentatively is scheduled for the 1.3b release. > > I'm playing with it now and it coming along pretty good. They're trying to > get it on par with iCal. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] :wq! --- Robert L. Harris | PGP Key ID: FC96D405 DISCLAIMER: These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. FYI: perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
