Re: Installation help

[Cassiano Bertol Leal]

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> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aumnayan D'Letti wrote:
>> I am installing the latest stable version of Debian (40rl) and am
>> having an issue with how it's seeing my primary HD.
>>
>> It's set up as the master on the primary IDE chain, which to me
>> signifies that it should be seen as IDE1, or HDA. However, the
>> partitioner is picking it up as IDE5 (hde). Which posses no problems
>> for me until the installation is completed, as there is no /dev/hde.
> 
> Welcome to the brave new world of udev.
> Device names in /dev are no longer stable.  They get created
> on the fly as needed, and they don't always get created
> in the same order from one boot to the next.
> There's a persistence mechanism but you can't rely
> on it yet.
(... snip ...)

You can also use the symlinks from /dev/disk/by- . These are created
on the fly as well, but they use some physical characteristics of the
volumes to link them to the correct /dev/[hs]d[a-z].

Cheers,
Cassiano Leal
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Re: Installation help

[cls]

[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aumnayan D'Letti wrote:
> I am installing the latest stable version of Debian (40rl) and am
> having an issue with how it's seeing my primary HD.
>
> It's set up as the master on the primary IDE chain, which to me
> signifies that it should be seen as IDE1, or HDA. However, the
> partitioner is picking it up as IDE5 (hde). Which posses no problems
> for me until the installation is completed, as there is no /dev/hde.

Welcome to the brave new world of udev.
Device names in /dev are no longer stable.  They get created
on the fly as needed, and they don't always get created
in the same order from one boot to the next.
There's a persistence mechanism but you can't rely
on it yet.

In your case, the debian-installer kernel saw that drive
as hde, but the real kernel sees it as, perhaps, hda.
If you do a kernel update, it might be hde again.
Or if you replace a burned out motherboard.
I've had the installers in Debian-4.0r1 and
Ubuntu-7.10 fail because of this problem.
If you don't know what's going on, it's a show-stopper.

In the case of drives with file systems on them, the best
workaround is to add a volume label to each file system.
Then refer to them by volume label in /etc/fstab
and /boot/grub/menu.lst, not by device name.  When you
call mount, the kernel will search every disk it can find
looking for the matching file system.
Give your swap partition a volume label, too.

This problem afflicts network interfaces, too.  They don't
have volume labels, but they have MAC addresses.
If you only have one Ethernet interface it doesn't matter,
but on a router you should tie the interface names to
MAC addresses.  I created a file
/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules containing
these lines
SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:05:5e:8f:0d", 
NAME="eth0"
SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:e0:29:6a:d7:63", 
NAME="eth1"
The double equals are tests for matching.  Commas
between tests are logical "and" operators.  A single
equals is an assignment.

If you replace an Ethernet card, remember to add another
line for the new MAC address.
For other devices, look in the /sys directory for the
device and then use udevinfo -a -p to discover its
usable attributes.

I tried to force the kernel to see devices in the same
order every time by listing their drivers in /etc/modules.
It's not worth it.  Use udev/rules.d.  See
http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html and
the remarkably unhelpful
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ
You might also get some clues from how they handle it
in Gentoo.
http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html
and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=259  (sort of a Howto)
and http://www.debianadmin.com/rename-network-interface-using-udev-in-linux.html


Cameron



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Re: installation help urgent

[Joe Hart]

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> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Greg Folkert wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
>>> [snip]
 Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.
>>> Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.
> 
> If not, then simply 'su -c dpkg -i .deb'.
> 
>> You're right about that.  It's one of the first things I did after
>> installation because I came from the Ubuntu world where sudo is the only
>> way to do things.  Funny though because I got sick of typing it all the
>> time and found myself just doing sudo -i so I would get a root prompt.
>>
>> Actually there are some commands that you can't do through sudo that you
>> can from root, even though the sudoers file lists (ALL) ALL.
>>
>> iptables and echoing to /proc are examples.
> 
> 'sudo /sbin/iptables -N newchain', 'sudo /sbin/iptables -X newchain'
> both work fine for me; what doesn't work for you? Can you give any
> other examples of things that don't work with sudo? I've never
> encountered any.
> 
> Celejar
> 
> 

No, I can't give any examples, because since I switched to Debian, I
have not encountered any commands that didn't work.  When I used Kubuntu
I did encounter problems with setting up iptables masquerades with sudo,
and had to do a sudo -i to get a root prompt to do it.  Strange behavior
to say the least.

One of the things that I really like about Debian compared to Ubuntu is
that it gets the sudo vs. kdesu/gksu correct.  No matter if the root is
enabled or not, on a Ubuntu system they all want the USER password,
which is in my book not the best way to handle it.

It does make it easier if one has a poor memory however, and can't keep
track of more than one password.

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Re: installation help urgent

[Celejar]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:53:09 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.
> >
> > Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.

If not, then simply 'su -c dpkg -i .deb'.

> You're right about that.  It's one of the first things I did after
> installation because I came from the Ubuntu world where sudo is the only
> way to do things.  Funny though because I got sick of typing it all the
> time and found myself just doing sudo -i so I would get a root prompt.
> 
> Actually there are some commands that you can't do through sudo that you
> can from root, even though the sudoers file lists (ALL) ALL.
> 
> iptables and echoing to /proc are examples.

'sudo /sbin/iptables -N newchain', 'sudo /sbin/iptables -X newchain'
both work fine for me; what doesn't work for you? Can you give any
other examples of things that don't work with sudo? I've never
encountered any.

Celejar


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Re: installation help urgent

[Joe Hart]

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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> [snip]
>> Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.
>
> Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.
>

You're right about that.  It's one of the first things I did after
installation because I came from the Ubuntu world where sudo is the only
way to do things.  Funny though because I got sick of typing it all the
time and found myself just doing sudo -i so I would get a root prompt.

Actually there are some commands that you can't do through sudo that you
can from root, even though the sudoers file lists (ALL) ALL.

iptables and echoing to /proc are examples.


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Re: installation help urgent

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:43 -0500, Celejar wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.

Only if sudo is installed and setup properly.

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Re: installation help urgent

[Celejar]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:02:21 +0100
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 02/12/07 23:18, Galangster wrote:
> >> How do i install
> >> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
> >> or 
> >> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
> >> i dont kno the first thing about this
> > 
> > Don't know the first thing about it?  Use Ubuntu.
> > 
> >> Zip In Zip on Out (c ya, peace out, sianara, bye bye)
> > 
> > sayonara
> > 
> That was mean.  Don't you know about gdebi?  All one needs to is make
> sure that is installed and then they can just click on a .deb file to
> install it.  Or perhaps you are against proprietary drivers?

[snip]

Or 'sudo dpkg -i .deb' from the cli.

Celejar


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Re: installation help urgent

[Joe Hart]

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/12/07 23:18, Galangster wrote:
>> How do i install
>> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
>> or 
>> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
>> i dont kno the first thing about this
> 
> Don't know the first thing about it?  Use Ubuntu.
> 
>> Zip In Zip on Out (c ya, peace out, sianara, bye bye)
> 
> sayonara
> 
That was mean.  Don't you know about gdebi?  All one needs to is make
sure that is installed and then they can just click on a .deb file to
install it.  Or perhaps you are against proprietary drivers?

I will say that chances are that .deb file is written for Ubuntu.

Joe
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Re: installation help urgent

[Kent West]

Galangster wrote:
> How do i install
> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
> or 
> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
> i dont kno the first thing about this

Become root; enter "dpkg -i fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb".

This assumes that you have an AMD 64-bit processor (and the kernel for
it); it also assumes there are no extra packages needed for the deb.

Better yet would be to install it through the more normal installation
method:

  aptitude install fglrx-control

although it's an older version (8.28.8, in Sid). This method should take
care of any extra packages needed.

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Re: installation help urgent

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/12/07 23:18, Galangster wrote:
> How do i install
> fglrx-driver_8.31.5.orig.tar.gz
> or 
> fglrx-control_8.31.5-1_amd64.deb
> i dont kno the first thing about this

Don't know the first thing about it?  Use Ubuntu.

> Zip In Zip on Out (c ya, peace out, sianara, bye bye)

sayonara

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Re: Installation help

[Andrea Vettorello]

>- Original Message -
>From: Betty Fullmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:29:03 -0600
>Subject: Installation help
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 
>I recently partitioned my hard disk.  I have Windows XP in one and
Linux L'Inspire in the >other.  My question is the following:  can I
install Debian in the same partition with >L'Inspire or do I need to
delete that one first?
>Any help and comments would be appreciated. 
>BB 
>

I assume you don't want Linspire anymore, if that's true, when asked
in which partition to install Debian, choose the partition you want to
delete (IIRC it will formatted, i.e. the contents of partition will be
deleted, whatch out =)...

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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Erik Steffl]

On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:47, Elie De Brauwer wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2003 22:33, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a
> > > SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both
> > > installation methods hang at the same point:
> > >
> > > "Loading kernel modules
> > >
> > > Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'"
> > >
> > > I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA
> > > drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do
> > > I create an installation CD with a different kernel?
> >
> >   you need a fairly new kernel for SATA, 2.4.21 iwth ac4 patches, I
> > think. If you have a large SATA drive (>130GB) you also need libata5
> > patches from Jeff Garzik. I have 2.4.21-ac and manually applied libata5
> > patch (and 250 GB Matrox on intel D865PERL motherboard)
> >
> >   Some of the newer kernels might work without ac or Jeff's patches,
> > hard to tell. Check the linux kernel mailing list archives (search for
> > SATA)
> >
> 
> I'm using a fresh from kernel.org 2.4.22 without any patches for my 80 gig 
> sata drive.

  do you use it as:

- legacy IDE (setting in BIOS so that itr looks like regular IDE
drive [didn't try this one]

- IDE (looks like SATA but handled by IDE driver) [system freeze
during boot, when probing disks]

- SCSI (CONFIG_SCSI_ATA) [works but needs libata5 patches for >133GB
support]

  thanks,

erik


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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 02:47, Elie De Brauwer wrote:
> On Saturday 15 November 2003 22:33, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote:
[snip]
> >   you need a fairly new kernel for SATA, 2.4.21 iwth ac4 patches, I
> > think. If you have a large SATA drive (>130GB) you also need libata5
> > patches from Jeff Garzik. I have 2.4.21-ac and manually applied libata5
> > patch (and 250 GB Matrox on intel D865PERL motherboard)
> >
> >   Some of the newer kernels might work without ac or Jeff's patches,
> > hard to tell. Check the linux kernel mailing list archives (search for
> > SATA)
> >
> 
> I'm using a fresh from kernel.org 2.4.22 without any patches for my 80 gig 
> sata drive.

Is that your boot drive, or a "data drive"?

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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Elie De Brauwer]

On Saturday 15 November 2003 22:33, Erik Steffl wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a
> > SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both
> > installation methods hang at the same point:
> >
> > "Loading kernel modules
> >
> > Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'"
> >
> > I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA
> > drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do
> > I create an installation CD with a different kernel?
>
>   you need a fairly new kernel for SATA, 2.4.21 iwth ac4 patches, I
> think. If you have a large SATA drive (>130GB) you also need libata5
> patches from Jeff Garzik. I have 2.4.21-ac and manually applied libata5
> patch (and 250 GB Matrox on intel D865PERL motherboard)
>
>   Some of the newer kernels might work without ac or Jeff's patches,
> hard to tell. Check the linux kernel mailing list archives (search for
> SATA)
>

I'm using a fresh from kernel.org 2.4.22 without any patches for my 80 gig 
sata drive.


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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Jesse Meyer]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Justin Burke wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a
> SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both
> installation methods hang at the same point:
> 
> "Loading kernel modules
> 
> Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'"
> 
> I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA
> drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do
> I create an installation CD with a different kernel?

Nope.  But you might have to compile a custom kernel.  Include the
Silicon Image SATA drivers.  Should be in the latest 2.4.x kernels.

The following is a link to how to replace the boot floppy kernel:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s-rescue-replace-kernel


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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Erik Steffl]

On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a
> SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both
> installation methods hang at the same point:
> 
> "Loading kernel modules
> 
> Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'"
> 
> I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA
> drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do
> I create an installation CD with a different kernel?

  you need a fairly new kernel for SATA, 2.4.21 iwth ac4 patches, I
think. If you have a large SATA drive (>130GB) you also need libata5
patches from Jeff Garzik. I have 2.4.21-ac and manually applied libata5
patch (and 250 GB Matrox on intel D865PERL motherboard)

  Some of the newer kernels might work without ac or Jeff's patches,
hard to tell. Check the linux kernel mailing list archives (search for
SATA)

erik


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Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

[Elie De Brauwer]

On Saturday 15 November 2003 02:15, Justin Burke wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a
> SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both
> installation methods hang at the same point:
>
> "Loading kernel modules
>
> Detected module 'ide-probe-mod' for 'Linux IDE probe driver'"
>
> I have reason to believe that the system is hanging because of the SATA
> drive. I think that I need to use a 2.6.0 kernel. Is this right? How do
> I create an installation CD with a different kernel?


Hi,
I recently installed a debian on a SATA machine and I also had problems 
booting a installation the normal way. (Either debian and gentoo installation 
had problems detecting the drive). But I noticed the most recent knoppix cd 
whould boot and detect the hardware in a 'normal' fashion.  So I'd suggest 
doing an install booted from a knoppix cd.

hth
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Re: Installation help

[Osamu Aoki]

I hope you are talking Debian root disk.

I would try without some non essential cards.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 04:26:20PM -0600, Richard Frovarp wrote:
> Asus P4T-E (Socket 478)
> P4 1.7 GHz
> 1GB RAM
> Leadtek Winfast 500 TD
> 3COM 905c
***> Creative Live! 5.1
***> Belkin Firewire card
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  It's really disconcerning that
> I can't get one Un*x installer to load when I've had success with
> Debian, RH, and Solaris in the past.

All ***> entries may not be needed.  Unplug them and try installing system.
If you do not use network, unplug 3COM too.

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Re: Installation help [Richard Frovarp]

[Alberto Cabello Sanchez]

[I supposse you know fd0 is wired correctly, floppies are fine, etc...]

You can want to install copying kernel, root.bin base.tgz and so on to you W2k 
partition(that doesn't solve the problem, but we will know the root.bin file is 
sane).

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Re: Installation help

[Michel Loos]

On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 21:52, Richard Frovarp wrote:
> I'm looking for some help in installing the stable version of Debian.  I
> am having a problem with it reading the root disk.  After loading the
> rescue disk it prompts for the root disk, but does not read the drive.
> After hitting enter I get this error:
> 
> request_module [block-major-2]: Root fs not mounted.

Probably : your root disk is corrupted, just create another one and try
again. This of  course if you effectively switched from rescue to root
when prompted for.

Michel.

> 
> Hitting enter again gives me a kernel panic error.  I have tried the
> compact, base, unstable, idepci installs and they all fail to even try
> to read the fd0 drive when asking for the root.bin disk.  Doesn't matter
> which disk or even if I have no disk in there, it throws the same
> errors.
> 
> I'm running an P4 with these components:
> 
> Asus P4T-E (Socket 478)
> P4 1.7
> Leadtek Geforce 3 Ti 500
> Creative Live! 5.1
> 3COM 905c
> Belkin Firewire
> 
> It had Windows 2K installed on it buy the builder to test it and works
> just fine.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Richard Frovarp
> http://atl.ndsu.edu
> 
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Re: installation help

[Denzil Kelly]

What are some of specs of the machine you are trying
to install on? Someone recently gave me a few 486's,
and I've had the same problem when trying to boot from
floppy. These machines were Dell Optiplex XL 575 w/16
MB of RAM.
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> When attempting to boot Release 2.1 (included in the
> 
> Debian GNU/Linux New Rider text)  from the floppy,
> my 
> system loads "root bin" but freezes during the
> "loading 
> linux" phase.
> 
> Can anyone help me??
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
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Re: Installation help

[Nate Amsden]

Martin Scott Goldberg wrote:

> So I can possibly unhook the 5.25" floppy and fit the CDrom in the
> connection.

i've never heard of a 5.25" floppy hooked to an IDE controller .. :)

> I need to install it on the space on the 40gig though, so are you saying I
> should unhook the 40gig from the dma66 adaptor and plug it directly in to
> the motherboard for now until it's installed, then rehook it back in to
> the adaptor afterwords?  Will a dma66 hard drive work though the dma33
> ide controllers on the motherboard?

yes it should have no problem i've used many dma66 drives on dma33
controllers.

note you will probably have to tweak the system setup before moving the
drive back. since you already have drives on the 2 primary controllers
most likely the first drive on the off-board controller will be /dev/hde
..then /dev/hdf ..etc. /etc/fstab is the main file you will need to
adjust, i'd also reccomend adjusting /etc/lilo.conf too.

nate

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Re: Installation help (please)

[Thomas Guettler]

I am not an installation-expert. But why don't you 
boot from CD? Just say your bios to from it. This worked for me
a half your ago. (don't know boot.bat)

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Re: Installation help (please)

[virtanen]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Patrick J Draper wrote:

> No matter how I partition/set up my drive I or where I create the partition
> (I have tried primary and logical) get the same error when running the
> boot.bat file on the Installation CD.
> 
> Kernel Panic: Cannot Mount Volume.

1)
Did you run the install.bat from 'pure dos' (not starting 'from windows in
dos mode')? 

hvirtane

Re: Installation help

[Kent West]

David Wright wrote:
> 
> Quoting Sunil Pandey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > This may not be the correct place to ask but since it is related
> > to debian installation, I would ask it anyway. Thing is debian  allows a
> > way to install through existing dos. Now, my comp already  has  Win-2000
> > and that would not let me boot into dos. can someone suggest a way to do
> > this.
> 
> This is precisely the correct place. My answer might not be quite
> so precise...
> 
> For linux, you're going to need (at least) two partitions, one for
> swap and one for linux.
> 
> Create your swap-sized partition but make it a dos partition and
> copy the appropriate installation files to it.
> 
> Make a dos boot floppy and boot from it.
> 
> Find out what dos has called your dos partition, say X:,
> and where your files are, presumably X:\.
> 
> Type
> 
> X:   <- the drive letter
> cd \ <- the directory
> loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=disks-1.44/root.bin
> 
> Do the installation, but choose "Do without a swap partition"
> when it offers to create one.
> 
> At some time in the future, whenever you've got your base system
> installed, and the dos partition is now redundant,
> 
>
> mkswap -c /dev/hdaX (-c checks for bad blocks, choose hdaX appropriately),
> edit /etc/fstab to add the single line, again appropriately,
> 
> /dev/hdaX none swap sw 0 0
>  
>
> swapon -a /dev/hdaX (to make it use it)
> 
> all as root. Double check the partition name before you mkswap it.
> (Perhaps mount -t msdos /dev/hdaX /mnt first and then umount /mnt
> as a check.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 

Alternatively, if your W2K drive is not NTFS formatted (i.e., it's Fat32
or Fat16), just copy your installation files to that drive and then boot
off a Win98 floppy (borrow one) to boot into "DOS" mode. However, if
your drive is NTFS format, do the above (it looks scary, because there's
so much writing, but it's really fairly simple).

Re: Installation help

[kmself]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 06:30:55PM +0530, Sunil Pandey wrote:
> This may not be the correct place to ask but since it is related
> to debian installation, I would ask it anyway. Thing is debian  allows a
> way to install through existing dos. Now, my comp already  has  Win-2000
> and that would not let me boot into dos. can someone suggest a way to do
> this.

Installing via DOS is useful if you have a DOS system to install from.
As W2K is NT-derived, and not DOS derived, there is no underlying DOS OS
for you to boot to.  You'll have to provide your own.

A better suggestion might be to try a boot floppy installation.  This
involves one or two floppies, plus a downloaded disk image, which you
store someplace on your system.

While you can have more partitions, I'd suggest three as a minimum for
this method:

  1:  W2K
  2:  Linux root partition
  3:  other Linux partition

...initially, you'd install Linux into the root partition, while holding
the install image on the third partition.

As I said, more partitions may not hurt, and your decision should be
driven by available space, physical drive(s) configuration, and
anticipated use.

A small(ish) boot partition, a Linux swap partition, and possible
breakouts for /tmp, /var, /usr, /usr/local, and /home may be
appropriate.  However, the justifications fall well within the realm of 
religion.

I'd suggest you take a look at several of the Linux HOWTOS, including
those covering multiple-OS booting, large disks, and LILO.

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Re: Installation help

[David Wright]

Quoting Sunil Pandey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> This may not be the correct place to ask but since it is related
> to debian installation, I would ask it anyway. Thing is debian  allows a
> way to install through existing dos. Now, my comp already  has  Win-2000
> and that would not let me boot into dos. can someone suggest a way to do
> this.

This is precisely the correct place. My answer might not be quite
so precise...

For linux, you're going to need (at least) two partitions, one for
swap and one for linux.

Create your swap-sized partition but make it a dos partition and
copy the appropriate installation files to it.

Make a dos boot floppy and boot from it.

Find out what dos has called your dos partition, say X:,
and where your files are, presumably X:\.

Type

X:   <- the drive letter
cd \ <- the directory
loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=disks-1.44/root.bin

Do the installation, but choose "Do without a swap partition"
when it offers to create one.

At some time in the future, whenever you've got your base system
installed, and the dos partition is now redundant,

   
mkswap -c /dev/hdaX (-c checks for bad blocks, choose hdaX appropriately),
edit /etc/fstab to add the single line, again appropriately,

/dev/hdaX none swap sw 0 0
 
   
swapon -a /dev/hdaX (to make it use it)

all as root. Double check the partition name before you mkswap it.
(Perhaps mount -t msdos /dev/hdaX /mnt first and then umount /mnt
as a check.)

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Re: installation help please!

[Tom Persons]

It sounds like Debian is having trouble dealing with your LCD display. I am
by no means an expert on this, it is just a guess.

Tom

Re: installation help please!

[ari gold]

if you mean using my "read the non backlit screen technique" i chose a color
monitor, then i chose next (i actually saw a bit of color in the screen), then 
a lot of text came up and i chose continue then a screen with "set up
keyboard" or something like that came up and i threw in the towel.

if you mean how far into the boot process, right before the color/monochrome
dialogue box came up.

gracias,

ari

ps. thanks for the speedy reply. goodness!

Re: installation help please!

[Andrew Ivanov]

How far in the installation did you go?
Andrew

Re: Installation help required

[Richard Lyon]

I think trying to install packages from floppies is pretty desperate. You can 
pickup the full Debian distribution in Melbourne for less than $20. The bit
bar in Fitzroy generally keeps a set in stock. Contact Tyson Dowd 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for more details.

Regards 

Re: Installation help required

[Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra]

Austanners Wet Blue Pty Ltd wrote:
> 
> I am trying to install packages from a floppy/s using dselect

Floppies are to painful!  If you are able to, get a CD!

This is from http://www.debian.org./distrib/vendors.html:

AUSTRALIA
  
Vendor: LSL Australia
URL: http://www.lsl.com.au/[26]

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> /var/lib/dpkg/methods/mount/packages/ does not exist

Is seems you chose to install from an already mounted filesystem but
forgot to mount your floppy before activating dselect.  Choose
"floppies" in the Access menu (I do not remember if it's still
available), or copy the files to disk and then install from there.  This
last option is *far* more reliable!


> or just general advice on installation (x window etc)

It's difficult to give general advice... please forward to the list
precise questions!

Anyway, *before* starting the installation of X, get all the
information you can about your card (chipset, memory, exact model) and
monitor (frequencies).  Then install the xbase package, plus the X
server corresponding to your card.  And be patient.

Hope we can help...

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Re: Installation Help

[shaul]

> Where can I find help on installing Debian?
> I thought this was the list but no one has replied.
> 
> When installing Debian I get this error part way though the instation:
> 
> "No ... msdos ... partitions that had not already been mounted were
> detected."
> 
> What could cause this error?  I am wanting to install from my hardrive.
> 
There should be an installation text on each debian binary CDROM. 
I beleive the same text can be found on debian home page.

As for the error you mention:
I didn't had such an error. My first guess is that you didn't partition your 
HD, yet you are trying to install debian on it.
I suggest that you read the instlation help text I mentioned above. You can 
also send more details to this list.

Hope this helps.

Re: Installation Help (Base Install)

[Nathan E Norman]

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Cameron Taggart wrote:

 : >I'm totally unclear as to whether you've already made it through the
 : >base install, or if you've completed that step, rebooted, and are now
 : >staring at dselect.
 : 
 : I am trying to get the base install to work.  I am running Win95 OSR B and I
 : have enabled FAT32 access.  I didn't relize the difference.  What would the
 : easiest way be to install Debian? 1)Create a small DOS partition (which I
 : think Win95 would recognize) and move the install files to it. 2) Just use
 : disks.

Aha!  The easiest way, by far, is to just create the floppies.  You will
need seven of them, and they should be freshly formatted (you can use
Windows to do this).  This is really only an issue with the last base
disk, since it's not a full floppy image - I once used rawrite on some
OS/2 formatted disks and the install was not happy with my 5th base
disk.

You could make the small partition, but why bother?  Unless you have use
for it afterwards, it will be wasted.  You need to make a boot floppy
and a drivers disk anyway.

 : I have a 4GB SCSI hardrive.  2GB, Win95 will be using and the other 2GB will
 : be for Linux.  How would you suggest that I divide it up to create my
 : filesystem?  I am trying to learn how to use Linux in order to use it as a
 : mailserver and a webserver using Apache, MySQL, and PHP.

How much memory do you have?  If you've got less than 16 MB, I like a
swap partition twice as large as the memory.  If you've got 32 MB or
better you can make a swap partition as big as or smaller than your
memory.  There are many opinions on this, but if you anticipate
extensive memory use I like to err on the side of caution when creating
swap.  On the other hand, you can always add more swap if/when you need
it.

If you're the only one using the system, one big filesystem is easiest.
If you're building a serious production server then you should split up
filesystems according to use.  Again, this is an area where many
opinions prevail, and all of them have merit.  Here's what I usually do:

/   16 MB
/tmp32-128 MB
/var250-500 MB
/var/tmp32-128 MB
/usr400-1000 MB
/home   200-2000 MB
(optionally)
/var/log200-800 MB
/var/spool  depends!
/var/spool/mail depends on number of users
/var/spool/pop  depends on number of users
/usr/local  I do this on development machines

The ranges are dependent on what the system is doing.  Here's what our
mail server looks like:

brahe:~ $ df
Filesystem1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sda1 31726   1482815260 49%   /
/dev/sda4730507  178663   514110 26%   /usr
/dev/sdb2   3096718  164315  2772250  6%   /home
/dev/sda3253823   13329   227387  6%   /var
/dev/sdb3126911  14   120344  0%   /tmp
/dev/sda5253822   84292   156423 35%   /var/log
/dev/sdb5126910  20   120337  0%   /var/tmp
/dev/sda6507582   78320   403048 16%   /var/spool/mail
/dev/sdb65075821101   480267  0%   /var/spool/mqueue
/dev/sda7253822  13   240702  0%   /var/spool/pop

As you can see, my users aren't real keen on using their space in /home
(yet).  /tmp and /var/tmp vary wildly.  I have /var/spool/mail on its
own filesystem to allow quotas on mailboxes.

On the other hand, here's a web server:

kepler:~ $ df
Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sda1  31109   1547114032 52%   /
/dev/sda8 893986  437580   410221 52%   /usr
/dev/sdb33455160   81415  3195022  2%   /web
/dev/sda5 303251   53664   233926 19%   /var
/dev/sda9 412118  119936   270898 31%   /home
/dev/sdb2 497699   29687   442308  6%   /var/log
/dev/sda6  69965  1766335  0%   /tmp
/dev/sda7 127918  36   121056  0%   /var/tmp

and a utility box:

ops:~ $ df
Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sda2  31727   1145418635 38%   /
/dev/sda3 507583  140145   341224 29%   /usr
/dev/sda5 297394   47872   234163 17%   /var
/dev/sda6 247870  81   234990  0%   /home
/dev/sda7  63454  1360165  0%   /tmp

This last machine acts as a print server, and does network monitoring
(it's a high powered 486 dx2/66)

This is probably just a bunch of blather, but hopefully it'll help.

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Re: Installation Help (Base Install)

[Cameron Taggart]

>I'm totally unclear as to whether you've already made it through the
>base install, or if you've completed that step, rebooted, and are now
>staring at dselect.

I am trying to get the base install to work.  I am running Win95 OSR B and I
have enabled FAT32 access.  I didn't relize the difference.  What would the
easiest way be to install Debian? 1)Create a small DOS partition (which I
think Win95 would recognize) and move the install files to it. 2) Just use
disks.

I have a 4GB SCSI hardrive.  2GB, Win95 will be using and the other 2GB will
be for Linux.  How would you suggest that I divide it up to create my
filesystem?  I am trying to learn how to use Linux in order to use it as a
mailserver and a webserver using Apache, MySQL, and PHP.

>2) You're running Win95 OSR B or Win98 on your non-linux partition, and
>have enabled FAT32 access, so it's not an MSDOS partition at all.  We
>can't hardly blame dselect for not seeing it them - you need to mount
>the partition as FAT32 (iirc this is supported in the new kernels) and
>use the mounted method from dselect.

Thanks for the help,

-Cameron Taggart

Re: Installation Help

[Jonathan Jefferies]

Hi all,

Got some dumb installation questions.

Situation:
1.  Installing onto a virgin drive (hda2 & hda3) in a system
which already has Linux (Redhat) and Win95 installed
2.  Installing from a scsi cdrom which linux recognizes.
3.  Boot from install floppy, id of scsi and installation of 
basic system are accomplished.
4.  As I already have lilo installed and have built a 
backup boot floppy I've skipped the reboot section
and gone into configuring the system, network, etc
that are possible from the initial installation.

Now I have the basic Debian system loaded, but haven't
been able to get further in installing the whole system.
And have not gotten into the dselect mode -well ok I did
get that far on my first pass but not since then.

Minor problems/quirks, 

1.the boot floppy boots properly but
  dumps me at a prompt i.e. doesn't give me a login, I can
  "ALT F0-F6" and get a boot prompt but don't seem to be able
  to exit the open prompt.
2.On one attempt at installing the system I rebooted and after
  logging in got "passwd" demanding that I fill in  a passwd
  for root.  It wouldn't accept my passwd and wouldn't die
  no matter how many times I killed it from another window.
  Really left me cussing the fool who designed this setup.
  Finally went in by hand and set the passwd in /etc/passwd
  which leads to my next question are the passwords shadowed
  in Debian??

Main Questions:
  1.  How to restart the installation process and get the
  rest of the packages installed?
  2.  Would blowing away the whole installation up to this
  point and starting from scratch make more sense?
  3.  Has anyone else installed DebIan from the cdrom set
  from "Cheaper Bytes"?

Thanks
Jonathan Jefferies
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Re: Installation Help

[Nathan E Norman]

On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Cameron Taggart wrote:

 : Where can I find help on installing Debian?
 : I thought this was the list but no one has replied.
 : 
 : When installing Debian I get this error part way though the instation:
 : 
 : "No ... msdos ... partitions that had not already been mounted were
 : detected."
 : 
 : What could cause this error?  I am wanting to install from my hardrive.

You haven't exactly overwhelmed us with information, but what the heck,
I'll give it a shot.  (And this is the list, by the way ...)

Sounds like you have at least one MSDOS partition, and you are
installing Linux onto a seperate partition.  Apparently you have some
files on the MSDOS partition that you intend to use for the install.

I'm totally unclear as to whether you've already made it through the
base install, or if you've completed that step, rebooted, and are now
staring at dselect.

I'll start by assuming that you've done the base install, and now you're
in dselect.

With that in mind, here are two guesses as to what your problem is:

1) When prompted by the installation program to mount partitions, you
created a linux partition, mounted it on /, and then mounted your
existing MSDOS partition somewhere (like /dos; I mount mine on /lose
myself).  However, you're telling dselect to use method "harddisk
Install from a hard disk partition (not yet mounted)."  Since you
already mounted the partition, dselect is confused.  You should use
mounted.

2) You're running Win95 OSR B or Win98 on your non-linux partition, and
have enabled FAT32 access, so it's not an MSDOS partition at all.  We
can't hardly blame dselect for not seeing it them - you need to mount
the partition as FAT32 (iirc this is supported in the new kernels) and
use the mounted method from dselect.

This can be cleared up pretty quick:  cat out the /etc/fstab file and
post the contents here.

If in fact you're still in the base install, there are any number of
things which could be going on.  Please post a more detailed question in
that event.

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Re: Installation Help Needed Please :)

[Giovanni Biscuolo]

No panic, it's all right ...

> James Patrick Galvin, Jr. wrote:
> 
> Okay, I've got most of the stuff figured out, but I'm still a little
> confused.  I ran FIPS and split my primary DOS partition and then I
> formated the new partition (D:). 
Don't format the new partition under DOS: you need native linux
partition. I suggest you to set up at least 4 partitions for linux you
will use as: / (root); /usr; /home and a swap one. It's safer to have
different partitions for maintenance purposes you'll learn with time and
patience.


> I then booted from the floppy which
> I wrote resc1440.bin to and attempted to install Debian, but the
> Patrition Your Hard Disk came up and I tried to skip it, but it
> wouldn't let me so I went along with it, but it said that it gave a
> fatal error.  Before why it wouldn't let me skip it is because I
Don't well understand what do you mean, don't skip that point... you can
check the partition scheme al least. Then set the mount point for each
partition (i.e.: /dev/hda2 on / (root); /dev/hda3 on /usr ...)


> didn't have a native linux partition.  I am really confused in this
> part.  I restored my normal partition by using restorrb.exe so my
> computer is back to its previous state, but I need help with this
> partitioning stuff.  Please help me!!! :)
> 
> Jim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Good luck and never give up! ;-)

Ciao.
Giovanni Biscuolo

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