Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:19:09 +0100 Michael Bona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Klaus, > > so did you find a pattern under what circumstances it works and when > it does not? I would be very interested especially concerning Debian > ... > > Michael Sorry, late reply - technical problems. Basically what does work is a netinstall with the 'boot.iso'from Eduard Bloch. I suppose his 'bootbf2.4.iso' would also work if I could get the iso to CD in one peace. The 'sarge-businesscard' and 'sarge-netinstall' iso's from debian have the problem that the module sis900 isn't there when you choose the option'netinstall' at boot. When you just hit 'enter' and load all available options - thats what I do since I can't see the fist 13 on my screen - a couple of times the sis900 module is available but modprobe can't load it for some reason;it does load with 'insmod sis900'. After that detection with dhcp fails.I tried to look at the config files with nano - but that complains about something UTF8 as far as I remember. The detection works fine. With an old potato CD I got everything worked fine. If you need any more or any specific info please let me know. Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netiquette (was Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.)
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 12:37:36PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Brian Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030227 22:10 PST]: > > Sorry Kent, I tried posting after as a response and it sucks. I use > > spell checking and as most spell checkers are pretty dumb and start at > > the top, I end up having to correct or skip other people's misspelled > > words before I get to my own. The other way round, like I am doing now, > > I can stop the spell check at the end of my section. I accept your > > spelling? their than important more not order words' Are > > If your spell-checker doesn't work, drop it. The readers of this list > (and the people most likely to help you) don't care if you mis-spell a > few words, but do care that messages' texts are in logical, chronological > order. I use 'newsbody', from within vim. It basically runs each message through a 'egrep -v "^(>|\||})"' filter to remove quoted material. Works very well for sensibly quoted material, but it'd probably choke on stupid-outlook-quote-style messages. I can't remember the last time I replied to one of them though...Either way, it works great, and doesn't mandate any sort of quoting style. In summary: your client sucks :) > The history of a thread will be stored in the threaded nature of the > messages, and does not need to be tacked on in reverse-chronological > order at the bottom of each message in the thread. That way is > wasteful, and gives headaches to the poor people who later find > themselves reading umop-apisdn. This is a very important point. I try to help people to the best of my ability on here, and the fact that the messages are archived encourages me to put in a bit more effort, since I know people will be able to make use of my suggestions long after the OP has forgotten he/she even forget that they ever asked a question. Top-posting reduces the effectiveness of the list, since it makes it harder to follow the huge threads. It's even harder on the archives, since you don't have as much context available, and it's much harder to get clarification from anyone involved. > > response and respect your opinion, but this issue seems even less likely > > to go anywhere than the issue of trying to get people to stop cutting up > > the postings and interspersing their reply. As Vineet says, this is the accepted way to reply. It sure looks unfriendly at first, but if you stick with it, you see just how effective it...I can just read the entire message, and see your points, Vineet's rebuttal of them, and then just insert mine in between, trimming as appropriate. Trimming is essential in such cases of course, otherwise the thread spins out of control...I must say, though, that this seems like a much bigger issue with the 'newer' members of the list, who top quote, and leave the entire thread below their 3 line reply, rather than the folks who use the 'interspersing reply' style. At least with the interspersion, it's easier to skim through messages, and read the interesting bits. ObMuttBoosting: I've setup mutt to colourise different levels of quoting with different colours. This makes heavily nested and replied messages really pleasant to read :) Like so many things in geek-circles, this is purely a functional issue. No one's going to force you to do anything, including complying with accepted 'netiquette', it just makes it harder to follow your mails, and as a consequence, perhaps less likely that you'll get answers. Another thing: if your mail client sucks, get another one :) There are dozens in Debian, all of which are Free and free. Try them out! mutt is the old workhorse, and I've never seen anything better. It Just Works, and works bloody well; integrates with basically anything you can think of, and is tiny: 539KB. Mutt + procmail + exim is a killer combo for me, and helps me deal with the ridiculous amount of mail I get every day :) If you prefer a GUI client, sylpheed and balsa seem to be good choices, with an allegedly 'mutt-ish' feel. Also, some people use Mozilla Mail, but it seems to have some issues with effectively filtering list mail. Evolution would be right out for me, since it seems to mangle GPG signatures, which is highly Not Cool. Hmmm, that turned into more of a rant than I'd intended, but hopefully you get my point: netiquette exists for a reason, and you should think of it more as a set of best-practice guidelines, fine-tuned over decades, rather than a set of rules that have no relevance. -- Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://ertius.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
netiquette (was Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.)
* Brian Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030227 22:10 PST]: > Sorry Kent, I tried posting after as a response and it sucks. I use > spell checking and as most spell checkers are pretty dumb and start at > the top, I end up having to correct or skip other people's misspelled > words before I get to my own. The other way round, like I am doing now, > I can stop the spell check at the end of my section. I accept your spelling? their than important more not order words' Are If your spell-checker doesn't work, drop it. The readers of this list (and the people most likely to help you) don't care if you mis-spell a few words, but do care that messages' texts are in logical, chronological order. The history of a thread will be stored in the threaded nature of the messages, and does not need to be tacked on in reverse-chronological order at the bottom of each message in the thread. That way is wasteful, and gives headaches to the poor people who later find themselves reading umop-apisdn. > response and respect your opinion, but this issue seems even less likely > to go anywhere than the issue of trying to get people to stop cutting up > the postings and interspersing their reply. This is, in fact, the proper way to reply to a message. Use a proper attribution, so future users can tell who wrote what, and put your responses spatially and logically just after the points you're responding to. Don't include the full text of the message; just include the relevant parts. For example, my comments only apply to the part of your post that discussed posting styles, so I'm trimming away the parts I'm not responding to (the networking part). good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- http://www.debian.org/ Set your computer Free. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
Klaus, so did you find a pattern under what circumstances it works and when it does not? I would be very interested especially concerning Debian ... Michael Klaus Imgrund wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:46:50 +0100 > Michael Bona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I have tried to get DHCP working on an SIS900 (on an Elitegroup K7S5A) >> for quite some time (Debina, Gentoo). No such luck. DHCP works with >> Windows but not Linux. Normal networking (with static IP) is fine, just >> no DCHP. >> >> > I just did a gentoo install - thus the late reply (these things compile > forever) and dhcp works fine with my sis900 at the install - had it > running in chrooted environment for more than a day w/o hickups. I didn't > work however when I booted from the new OS but that was a first. With > debian I never had a problem with it either with the regular netinstall. > With the 'testing netinstall' CD I didn't have any luck with it. With > Libranet using pump it is more than flaky - gets disconnected every other > minute and I have to restart the connection. With mandrake there where > similar problems with dhclient. > > Klaus > > Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 05:29:56PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > Knoppix got finished earlier than expected. I first tried it on > another machine on my WAN/LAN to see if the CD would work with another > configuration. This went off without a hitch, though it is necessary to > prompt Knoppix to search for a dhcp assignment of an IP address by using > "netcartconfig". I gave the command "knoppix noapic" at the boot prompt > on my daughter's computer, and then used the "netcartconfig" tool to get > an IP address assigned by DHCP. Unfortunately, this didn't work. that's odd... for everything in my lan, i don't have to do anything, knoppix figures it all out and automatically does dhcp. what do you have giving out dhcp addresses, anyway? > I added the lines that you suggested to /etc/interfaces (there were no > contents to start with in the file). I then rebooted. There was no > output to the command "# /sbin/ifconfig" or "ifconfig". However, a new > line prompt did appear. that's really odd that this file wasn't there. are you sure you have the ifupdown package installed? try $ dpkg -L ifupdown if it outputs a list of files, then it's probably installed. if it isn't, try installing it. also, just to clarify, you aren't typing those # and $ characters, right? sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
Knoppix got finished earlier than expected. I first tried it on another machine on my WAN/LAN to see if the CD would work with another configuration. This went off without a hitch, though it is necessary to prompt Knoppix to search for a dhcp assignment of an IP address by using "netcartconfig". I gave the command "knoppix noapic" at the boot prompt on my daughter's computer, and then used the "netcartconfig" tool to get an IP address assigned by DHCP. Unfortunately, this didn't work. I added the lines that you suggested to /etc/interfaces (there were no contents to start with in the file). I then rebooted. There was no output to the command "# /sbin/ifconfig" or "ifconfig". However, a new line prompt did appear. Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 03:10:14PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: OK Sean, the output of "# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.111" was "eth0 Media Link Off". The result of "$ ping 216.239.57.100" was "Network is unreachable" :-( i've never seen that error out of ifconfig before, and can't even find it in the source code for the program. okay, while you're waiting for the knoppix cd, how about you try this: - in /etc/interfaces, take out all lines mentioning eth0, then put the following in: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.111 netmask 255.255.255.0 and then just reboot the whole machine, and see if you get an address out of ifconfig when you get back to a prompt. also, i just have to ask--have you tried this with another cable, and have you tried this in one of the ports on the hub that you know to work? sean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 03:10:14PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > OK Sean, the output of "# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.111" was "eth0 > Media Link Off". The result of "$ ping 216.239.57.100" was "Network is > unreachable" :-( i've never seen that error out of ifconfig before, and can't even find it in the source code for the program. okay, while you're waiting for the knoppix cd, how about you try this: - in /etc/interfaces, take out all lines mentioning eth0, then put the following in: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.111 netmask 255.255.255.0 and then just reboot the whole machine, and see if you get an address out of ifconfig when you get back to a prompt. also, i just have to ask--have you tried this with another cable, and have you tried this in one of the ports on the hub that you know to work? sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 06:17:41PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > dhcp works in Knoppix. Should I run the same tests that have been posted > to me for Deb? What would the conclusions be for my Deb install if > Knoppix does work? if knoppix works, it will probably automagically work, because that's what knoppix does. you put it in your cd rom drive and boot off of it, and it figures everything out on its own. so when you get dropped to a desktop, try opening up a browser and go to some website and see if it just works... sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
Thanks for the Klaus. Do you have any advice with regards to the dhcp problem I am having in Debian 3 rev. 1? I have almost completed a download of the latest Knoppix iso and can burn a CD from that. I can then try to boot the CD, but am not sure what I need to do to see if dhcp works in Knoppix. Should I run the same tests that have been posted to me for Deb? What would the conclusions be for my Deb install if Knoppix does work? Cheers, Brian Klaus Imgrund wrote: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:46:50 +0100 Michael Bona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have tried to get DHCP working on an SIS900 (on an Elitegroup K7S5A) for quite some time (Debina, Gentoo). No such luck. DHCP works with Windows but not Linux. Normal networking (with static IP) is fine, just no DCHP. I just did a gentoo install - thus the late reply (these things compile forever) and dhcp works fine with my sis900 at the install - had it running in chrooted environment for more than a day w/o hickups. I didn't work however when I booted from the new OS but that was a first. With debian I never had a problem with it either with the regular netinstall. With the 'testing netinstall' CD I didn't have any luck with it. With Libranet using pump it is more than flaky - gets disconnected every other minute and I have to restart the connection. With mandrake there where similar problems with dhclient. Klaus Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:46:50 +0100 Michael Bona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have tried to get DHCP working on an SIS900 (on an Elitegroup K7S5A) for > quite some time (Debina, Gentoo). No such luck. DHCP works with Windows but > not Linux. Normal networking (with static IP) is fine, just no DCHP. > > I just did a gentoo install - thus the late reply (these things compile forever) and dhcp works fine with my sis900 at the install - had it running in chrooted environment for more than a day w/o hickups. I didn't work however when I booted from the new OS but that was a first. With debian I never had a problem with it either with the regular netinstall. With the 'testing netinstall' CD I didn't have any luck with it. With Libranet using pump it is more than flaky - gets disconnected every other minute and I have to restart the connection. With mandrake there where similar problems with dhclient. Klaus Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
OK Sean, the output of "# /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.111" was "eth0 Media Link Off". The result of "$ ping 216.239.57.100" was "Network is unreachable" :-( Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 12:07:55PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. okay, well then just be extra clear what you're talking about.. The output of "# tail /var/log/messages" was as follows: sda: status=1, message=00, host=0, driver=08 sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector0 unable to read partition table that looks like unrelated errors... The output of "# tail /var/log/syslog" was as follows: named[170]: exiting (due to assertion failure) lpd[195]: restarted kdm[229]: server /usr/X11R6/bin/ X cannot be executed. kdm[219]: Server unexpectedly dies. Server for display : 0 cannot be started, session disabled. again, unrelated... 1 Ethernet adapter : IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 okay, and since your other box is 192.168.1.101, i think it's safe to assume that your dhcp server is giving out addresses on the 192.168.1.0 network. how about trying to manually configure your device then, with: # /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.111 and then see if you can ping some ip addresses, like: $ ping 216.239.57.100 (that's www.google.com). if that works, you just need to copy the dns information over too. sean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Gary, Thanks, that is exactly what I am looking for. Unfortunately, the Fujitsu-Siemens Celvin only has a third party USB floppy drive. I made sure that I installed USB mass storage in the kernel, but how do I get the USB floppy to work, so that I can do what you suggest? Cheers, Brian Gary Turner wrote: A: See for yourself Brian Durant wrote: If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. If I may make a suggestion, Brian, rather than cause strain while reading off one screen and trying to type to another, redirect the output to a floppy disc. For example; $ mount /floppy $ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^i > /floppy/dpkgout # tail /var/log/syslog > /floppy/syslogout $ umount /floppy Then you can use sneaker net* (hand carry the floppy to your XP) to transfer the data. Use Wordpad or whatever to open the file. From there you can cut and paste. In any case, top posting combined with a lack of editing can only exacerbate eye strain. If not yours, everyone else's. On the other hand, placing your reply/comment directly under the lines you're answering, and deleting everything not germane to the present exchange will greatly ease readability for everyone. ps - since there are a lot of instructions and questions in here, when you reply, please interleave your responses with the text of this mail, like what's done at the top of this mail, to avoid as much confusion as possible The reason your cursor starts at the top is so you can begin by cutting as you go. When you reach a line you'll answer, put your comment under it and start cutting again. Beats the hell out of trying to find your place, then move back to the top. Q: Why is top posting not a good idea? (Thanks, I think, to Baloo for the idea.) * also known as SMTP (Shanks Mare Transport Protocol) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -- John Kenneth Galbraith, economist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 12:07:55PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just > got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time > editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's > computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye > strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. okay, well then just be extra clear what you're talking about.. > The output of "# tail /var/log/messages" was as follows: > > sda: status=1, message=00, host=0, driver=08 > sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector0 > unable to read partition table that looks like unrelated errors... > The output of "# tail /var/log/syslog" was as follows: > > named[170]: exiting (due to assertion failure) > lpd[195]: restarted > kdm[229]: server /usr/X11R6/bin/ X cannot be executed. > kdm[219]: Server unexpectedly dies. Server for display : 0 cannot be > started, session disabled. again, unrelated... > 1 Ethernet adapter : > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 okay, and since your other box is 192.168.1.101, i think it's safe to assume that your dhcp server is giving out addresses on the 192.168.1.0 network. how about trying to manually configure your device then, with: # /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.111 and then see if you can ping some ip addresses, like: $ ping 216.239.57.100 (that's www.google.com). if that works, you just need to copy the dns information over too. sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
A: See for yourself Brian Durant wrote: >If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just >got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time >editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's >computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye >strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. If I may make a suggestion, Brian, rather than cause strain while reading off one screen and trying to type to another, redirect the output to a floppy disc. For example; $ mount /floppy $ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^i > /floppy/dpkgout # tail /var/log/syslog > /floppy/syslogout $ umount /floppy Then you can use sneaker net* (hand carry the floppy to your XP) to transfer the data. Use Wordpad or whatever to open the file. From there you can cut and paste. In any case, top posting combined with a lack of editing can only exacerbate eye strain. If not yours, everyone else's. On the other hand, placing your reply/comment directly under the lines you're answering, and deleting everything not germane to the present exchange will greatly ease readability for everyone. >>ps - since there are a lot of instructions and questions in here, when >>you reply, please interleave your responses with the text of this mail, >>like what's done at the top of this mail, to avoid as much confusion >>as possible The reason your cursor starts at the top is so you can begin by cutting as you go. When you reach a line you'll answer, put your comment under it and start cutting again. Beats the hell out of trying to find your place, then move back to the top. Q: Why is top posting not a good idea? (Thanks, I think, to Baloo for the idea.) * also known as SMTP (Shanks Mare Transport Protocol) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -- John Kenneth Galbraith, economist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. No output, means no output. It just processed the command and went to a new line with the command prompt and blinking cursor. Absolutely nothing happened. No error, no message, no nothing. The output of "$ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^ii" was: ii dhcp-client 2.0p15-11 DHCP client". I have been thinking that with regards to log files and the like, where you would like me to post the contents, it might be a good idea to try to get the USB floppy drive working. That way, I could copy files and move them to my Win2k box. Likewise, if you wanted me to try using a different /etc/network/interfaces file, you could post that to me, I could copy it to the system and we could see if that helped. Or is this idea more trouble than it is worth? I made sure to implement USB mass storage support in the kernel before it was installed. The output of "# tail /var/log/messages" was as follows: sda: status=1, message=00, host=0, driver=08 sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector0 unable to read partition table The output of "# tail /var/log/syslog" was as follows: named[170]: exiting (due to assertion failure) lpd[195]: restarted kdm[229]: server /usr/X11R6/bin/ X cannot be executed. kdm[219]: Server unexpectedly dies. Server for display : 0 cannot be started, session disabled. While not all of the output, the above is what looked to me to be the most serious messages. There was nothing with "eth0" or "dhcp" or "networking". The output of "$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0" was the same as the last time: Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:4F:86 BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric 1 and then follows RX and TX packet values, all of which are zeroes, as they were last time as well. The output of # pump (which installed like a dream) was: eth0: Media Link off eth0: Media Link off operation failed The result of a "winipcfg" command on one of the Win 98SE machines on my Wan/LAN provided the following result: Windows 98 IP Configuration 0 Ethernet adapter : IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 1 Ethernet adapter : IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 I haven't been able to find out how "ipconfig" output, which is used in Win2k, can be sent to a text file or copied from the command prompt. However, I can tell you that my Win2k box's IP address is 192.168.1.101. I hope the above helps. Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: hi brian On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 04:19:38PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: OK, I didn't get the difference between "#" and "$". Tried again, in root (#), same result. Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch interfaces didn't exist? strange... response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your what do you mean by "no response" was there output, but just not the address? was there an error? time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. right. okay, at this point a few things posted would be very helpful. i know it's hard to get it to use without a network, but the following might shed some light: $ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^ii (this will tell use what kind of dhcp client you have installed, hopefully) after you do /etc/init.d/networking restart, show us anything that looks relevant from: # tail /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog (those two files are log files for various parts of the system) $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 namely, for the above, we're interested in the first few lines. also, what are you running that's giving out the dhcp addresses? do you have anyway of looking at it's logs? okay, and if none of this works, try this: # apt-get --reinstall install netbase ifupdown pump (pump is a dhcp client that i think is a little less picky than the dhclient -- i don't really like it all that much, but it works) after doing this, try just typing "pump" in a root prompt and see if magic happens. also, everything else failing, istr someone said something about the sis900 driver maybe not supporting dhcp, so we can try setting it manually. so when you have a chance, go to another machine and find out its ip address, netmask, and dns information. i know on the older windows machines this was by running "winipcfg", but i don't know off the top of my head what does it in XP th
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hi brian On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 04:19:38PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > OK, I didn't get the difference between "#" and "$". Tried again, in > root (#), same result. Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces > restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch interfaces didn't exist? strange... > response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your what do you mean by "no response" was there output, but just not the address? was there an error? > time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort > of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I > didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I > don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. right. okay, at this point a few things posted would be very helpful. i know it's hard to get it to use without a network, but the following might shed some light: $ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^ii (this will tell use what kind of dhcp client you have installed, hopefully) after you do /etc/init.d/networking restart, show us anything that looks relevant from: # tail /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog (those two files are log files for various parts of the system) $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 namely, for the above, we're interested in the first few lines. also, what are you running that's giving out the dhcp addresses? do you have anyway of looking at it's logs? okay, and if none of this works, try this: # apt-get --reinstall install netbase ifupdown pump (pump is a dhcp client that i think is a little less picky than the dhclient -- i don't really like it all that much, but it works) after doing this, try just typing "pump" in a root prompt and see if magic happens. also, everything else failing, istr someone said something about the sis900 driver maybe not supporting dhcp, so we can try setting it manually. so when you have a chance, go to another machine and find out its ip address, netmask, and dns information. i know on the older windows machines this was by running "winipcfg", but i don't know off the top of my head what does it in XP these days. good luck, sean ps - since there are a lot of instructions and questions in here, when you reply, please interleave your responses with the text of this mail, like what's done at the top of this mail, to avoid as much confusion as possible pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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The contents of "/etc/networking/interfaces" was only the lines that I added. There was nothing in there, or maybe I rather created a file when I used vi (in root). However, I didn't overwrite I file, that I am sure of. The result of "ls -l /sbin/ifconfig" is -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55180 Nov. 24 2001". I also just rechecked at boot-up to see which kernel was loading: kernel 2.4.18-bf24. Cheers, Brian Kent West wrote: Brian Durant wrote: "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. Post the contents of "/etc/networking/interfaces" for us if you would, please. Also, the result of "ls -l /sbin/ifconfig". Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kent West wrote: Brian Durant wrote: Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. Post the contents of "/etc/networking/interfaces" for us if you would, please. (Don't bother about the commented lines.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Brian Durant wrote: "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. Post the contents of "/etc/networking/interfaces" for us if you would, please. Also, the result of "ls -l /sbin/ifconfig". Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OK, I didn't get the difference between "#" and "$". Tried again, in root (#), same result. Added the two lines in /etc/network/interfaces restarted the network and tried again. Same result - nada - zip -zilch response. No response with /sbin/ifconfig either. Thanks for all your time so far. Is there any place that we can go from here? I did a sort of default full install with tasksel and dselect. Got a lot of stuff I didn't want, but even the stuff that I do want will not do any good if I don't get this @£5#+* eth0 working. Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:34:22PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" okay, that's Good, it means your kernel sees and happily loaded the driver for your card. By the way, thanks for the tip on the ctrl-c. I seem to not be writing the grep variables too closely first time around and then grep just churns away for hours. actually, it was probably just waiting for input. if you don't specify the file to grep through on the cmdline, grep assumes stdin. try just "grep foo", and give it some input by entering lines with and without the string foo in them to see what i mean. ctrl-c kill(1)s your current process. The output of "# grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces" was nothing. i was using the "#" to indicate you needed to do the command as root (as opposed to "$", which means as anyone)... you didn't type that part in, did you? if you didn't and just nothing showed up, put these two lines in /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp then do # /etc/init.d/networking restart Even after the base install, the "ifconfig" command returns "command not found. are you doing this as root? it's possible that it's not in your path for some reason. try again but with /sbin/ifconfig instead of just ifconfig. do this after making sure that the above is set up, and see if you get an ip address. if you don't, you can set it manually with the same program. hth sean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 12:34:22PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 > Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. > SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" okay, that's Good, it means your kernel sees and happily loaded the driver for your card. > By the way, thanks for the tip on the ctrl-c. I seem to not be writing > the grep variables too closely first time around and then grep just > churns away for hours. actually, it was probably just waiting for input. if you don't specify the file to grep through on the cmdline, grep assumes stdin. try just "grep foo", and give it some input by entering lines with and without the string foo in them to see what i mean. ctrl-c kill(1)s your current process. > The output of "# grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces" was nothing. i was using the "#" to indicate you needed to do the command as root (as opposed to "$", which means as anyone)... you didn't type that part in, did you? if you didn't and just nothing showed up, put these two lines in /etc/network/interfaces: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp then do # /etc/init.d/networking restart > Even after the base install, the "ifconfig" command returns "command not > found. are you doing this as root? it's possible that it's not in your path for some reason. try again but with /sbin/ifconfig instead of just ifconfig. do this after making sure that the above is set up, and see if you get an ip address. if you don't, you can set it manually with the same program. hth sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Sorry Kent, I tried posting after as a response and it sucks. I use spell checking and as most spell checkers are pretty dumb and start at the top, I end up having to correct or skip other people's misspelled words before I get to my own. The other way round, like I am doing now, I can stop the spell check at the end of my section. I accept your response and respect your opinion, but this issue seems even less likely to go anywhere than the issue of trying to get people to stop cutting up the postings and interspersing their reply. I am sure that there is no hardware problem as Win 98SE was running with a fine WAN/LAN connection on this box, until Win 98SE went south like it sometimes can ;-) However, I am downloading an iso image of the CD as you suggested. As per my response to Sean, the result of an "lspci" command brings up the SiS 900 NIC in the output. The output of "# grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg" was as follows: "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" Not sure where to go from here, but I do have a basic Deb 3 rev. 1 system installed now. Cheers, Brian Kent West wrote: Sean Finney wrote: but you don't have an ip address. this means your kernel see the device and configured it, but dhcp isn't coming through. do you have lines in /etc/network/interfaces that say something like: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp ? also, if this is on a private lan, how about statically assigning an ip address to your card[1]? this problem might be signs of a completely different problem (like faulty cable or connecter or card), or it might just be dhcp being flaky for some reason. hth sean [1] for example: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 Brian Durant wrote: The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a " " to get out of little problem with grep in the shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am utterly clueless. Brian: In order to make it easier for others to follow the conversation, particularly months from now when they're searching the archives, you might want to get in the habit of posting your replies after the material to which you're replying. What you've been doing, posting at the top of the email, is referred to as "top-posting", and is generally looked down upon. What I'd suggest is to pop a Knoppix CD into your machine; Knoppix does a good job of autodetecting hardware. If it fails to get a DHCP address, you know there's something wrong with your hardware (broken or unsupported) or your network (cable unplugged, MAC locked out by the DHCP server, etc). If it does work, you might can get a clue as to what's going wrong by looking at how Knoppix set things up. You might also try shelling out of the Debian installer and running "lspci" to get a look at what hardware is detected on the PCI bus, although IIRC that utility is not available in the early stages of the install routine, so this suggestion may be useless. Still, you could boot off Knoppix and then run "lspci". I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The response is 'not found'". Is this what you seen when you type "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99", or is it in response to something else that was suggested along the way, or what? Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sean finney wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:16:43PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I the response to what? ifconfig? lspci? also, were you able to install the kernel onto the hard disk? if you can finish the install process and boot off the hard disk (even if it's only a base system and you can't install anything else yet), that's one less variable to worry about. don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a " " to get out of little problem with grep in the ctrl alt delete to what? if you need to kill your way out of a program, try ctrl-c shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am utterly clueless. after you boot up from your hard drive, how about # grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg and # grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces good luck... sean The response of "command not found" was to the "ifconfig" command. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. Guess I was in a stream of consciousness thing ;-) OK, now I have a base install. An "lspci" brings up the SiS 900 NIC in the output. The output of "# grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg" was as follows: "SIS 900 Internal MII PHY Transceiver found. at address 1 Using transceiver found. at address 1 as default. SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xe400, IRQ 11, 00:30:67:06:4f:86" By the way, thanks for the tip on the ctrl-c. I seem to not be writing the grep variables too closely first time around and then grep just churns away for hours. The output of "# grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces" was nothing. Even after the base install, the "ifconfig" command returns "command not found. Where do I go from here? Cheers, Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have tried to get DHCP working on an SIS900 (on an Elitegroup K7S5A) for quite some time (Debina, Gentoo). No such luck. DHCP works with Windows but not Linux. Normal networking (with static IP) is fine, just no DCHP. Maybe a new driver would help, but the old one just doesn't do DHCP. If I am wrong, please let me know. But I have spent considerable time trying to make it work without success. Bye Michael Brian Durant wrote: > The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I > don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all > running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address > automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a > " " to get out of little problem with grep in the > shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more > time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but > everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am > utterly clueless. > > Cheers, > > Brian > > sean finney wrote: > >>On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:19:25AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: >> >> >>>Giving the output is not an easy task, as the computer I am installing >>>on has a USB floppy (the Celvin is a kind of iMac for the PC world) and >>>hopefully will work when I get Debian installed. As the network isn't >>>working either, I can't send it as a text file to another box on my >>> >>> >> >>heh... >> >> >> >>>Link encaps:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:4F:86 >>>Broadcast Multicast MTU 1500 Metric:1 >>> >>> >> >>but you don't have an ip address. this means your kernel see the device >>and configured it, but dhcp isn't coming through. do you have lines >>in /etc/network/interfaces that say something like: >> >>auto eth0 >>iface eth0 inet dhcp >> >>? >> >>also, if this is on a private lan, how about statically assigning >>an ip address to your card[1]? this problem might be signs of a >>completely different problem (like faulty cable or connecter or card), >>or it might just be dhcp being flaky for some reason. >> >> >>hth >>sean >> >> >>[1] for example: >># ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 >> >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sean Finney wrote: but you don't have an ip address. this means your kernel see the device and configured it, but dhcp isn't coming through. do you have lines in /etc/network/interfaces that say something like: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp ? also, if this is on a private lan, how about statically assigning an ip address to your card[1]? this problem might be signs of a completely different problem (like faulty cable or connecter or card), or it might just be dhcp being flaky for some reason. hth sean [1] for example: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 Brian Durant wrote: The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a " " to get out of little problem with grep in the shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am utterly clueless. Brian: In order to make it easier for others to follow the conversation, particularly months from now when they're searching the archives, you might want to get in the habit of posting your replies after the material to which you're replying. What you've been doing, posting at the top of the email, is referred to as "top-posting", and is generally looked down upon. What I'd suggest is to pop a Knoppix CD into your machine; Knoppix does a good job of autodetecting hardware. If it fails to get a DHCP address, you know there's something wrong with your hardware (broken or unsupported) or your network (cable unplugged, MAC locked out by the DHCP server, etc). If it does work, you might can get a clue as to what's going wrong by looking at how Knoppix set things up. You might also try shelling out of the Debian installer and running "lspci" to get a look at what hardware is detected on the PCI bus, although IIRC that utility is not available in the early stages of the install routine, so this suggestion may be useless. Still, you could boot off Knoppix and then run "lspci". I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The response is 'not found'". Is this what you seen when you type "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99", or is it in response to something else that was suggested along the way, or what? Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 02:16:43PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I the response to what? ifconfig? lspci? also, were you able to install the kernel onto the hard disk? if you can finish the install process and boot off the hard disk (even if it's only a base system and you can't install anything else yet), that's one less variable to worry about. > don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all > running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address > automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a > " " to get out of little problem with grep in the ctrl alt delete to what? if you need to kill your way out of a program, try ctrl-c > shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more > time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but > everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am > utterly clueless. after you boot up from your hard drive, how about # grep -i eth0 /var/log/dmesg and # grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces good luck... sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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The response is "not found". Remember, I am still in the install. I don't have any problems dhcp on any of the other connected boxes, all running a version of Win at this time. All receive an IP address automatically through dhcp. I tried "ifconfig eth0" again (had to do a " " to get out of little problem with grep in the shell as per my last posting and start the install process one more time) and noticed a line with: "Interupt: 11 Base address: 0xe400", but everything else is all zeros. I hope this helps, at this point I am utterly clueless. Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:19:25AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: Giving the output is not an easy task, as the computer I am installing on has a USB floppy (the Celvin is a kind of iMac for the PC world) and hopefully will work when I get Debian installed. As the network isn't working either, I can't send it as a text file to another box on my heh... Link encaps:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:4F:86 Broadcast Multicast MTU 1500 Metric:1 but you don't have an ip address. this means your kernel see the device and configured it, but dhcp isn't coming through. do you have lines in /etc/network/interfaces that say something like: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp ? also, if this is on a private lan, how about statically assigning an ip address to your card[1]? this problem might be signs of a completely different problem (like faulty cable or connecter or card), or it might just be dhcp being flaky for some reason. hth sean [1] for example: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:19:25AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > Giving the output is not an easy task, as the computer I am installing > on has a USB floppy (the Celvin is a kind of iMac for the PC world) and > hopefully will work when I get Debian installed. As the network isn't > working either, I can't send it as a text file to another box on my heh... > Link encaps:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:4F:86 > Broadcast Multicast MTU 1500 Metric:1 but you don't have an ip address. this means your kernel see the device and configured it, but dhcp isn't coming through. do you have lines in /etc/network/interfaces that say something like: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp ? also, if this is on a private lan, how about statically assigning an ip address to your card[1]? this problem might be signs of a completely different problem (like faulty cable or connecter or card), or it might just be dhcp being flaky for some reason. hth sean [1] for example: # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.99 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Giving the output is not an easy task, as the computer I am installing on has a USB floppy (the Celvin is a kind of iMac for the PC world) and hopefully will work when I get Debian installed. As the network isn't working either, I can't send it as a text file to another box on my WAN/LAN. All I can do is run back and forth between rooms with a pen and a piece of paper :-( What I can tell you is that the "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" command response does not include an inet line as in your posting. It starts: Link encaps:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:67:06:4F:86 Broadcast Multicast MTU 1500 Metric:1 and then comes some stuff about packets sent, received and packet errors, all of which are 0. Does this help? Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:30:26AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: OK, I started the install process from the beginning again, remounted partitions, etc. Not only did I boot the install using "bf24", but I also chose the long install, to make sure that I was installing a 2.4 kernel from the Deb 3 rev. 1 full install CDs. I tried /sbin/ifconfig eth0 and got a lot of numbers in response that I don't really understand, but what seems to be more interesting, is when I did a "modprobe sis900", the response was "can't locate module sis900". I then looked under the kernel/net modules for the SiS900 driver and it is not listed .-( well looking at the kernel config for SIS900 in the bf24 kernel config on debian's ftp server: CONFIG_SIS900=y which means it's hard-compiled into the kernel, and you don't need to do a modprobe. can you give us the output of ifconfig? you're most interested in the "inet addr" field". for example: oil[~]22:59:16$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:5B:DC:32:B2 inet addr:130.58.82.95 Bcast:130.58.82.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:7692088 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:91 frame:0 TX packets:8289238 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:1962609489 (1871.6 Mb) TX bytes:341377353 (325.5 Mb) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec80 the important thing to clean is that addr exists. if you have that line, that means you should be ok. try pinging another ip address, and if that works, try pinging a hostname like google.com According to a posting from Klaus Imgrund, there is a module for SiS900 on the "testing CD", but I am unsure what "testing CD" this is and how I can load the module into the kernel I am installing. or it could be that. can you post us the output of dmesg (or better, put it online somewhere and give us a link)? if it really is recognized by your kernel, there should be something mentioning it. sean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:30:26AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > OK, I started the install process from the beginning again, remounted > partitions, etc. Not only did I boot the install using "bf24", but I > also chose the long install, to make sure that I was installing a 2.4 > kernel from the Deb 3 rev. 1 full install CDs. I tried /sbin/ifconfig > eth0 and got a lot of numbers in response that I don't really > understand, but what seems to be more interesting, is when I did a > "modprobe sis900", the response was "can't locate module sis900". I then > looked under the kernel/net modules for the SiS900 driver and it is not > listed .-( well looking at the kernel config for SIS900 in the bf24 kernel config on debian's ftp server: CONFIG_SIS900=y which means it's hard-compiled into the kernel, and you don't need to do a modprobe. can you give us the output of ifconfig? you're most interested in the "inet addr" field". for example: oil[~]22:59:16$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:5B:DC:32:B2 inet addr:130.58.82.95 Bcast:130.58.82.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:7692088 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:91 frame:0 TX packets:8289238 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:1962609489 (1871.6 Mb) TX bytes:341377353 (325.5 Mb) Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec80 the important thing to clean is that addr exists. if you have that line, that means you should be ok. try pinging another ip address, and if that works, try pinging a hostname like google.com > According to a posting from Klaus Imgrund, there is a module for SiS900 > on the "testing CD", but I am unsure what "testing CD" this is and how I > can load the module into the kernel I am installing. or it could be that. can you post us the output of dmesg (or better, put it online somewhere and give us a link)? if it really is recognized by your kernel, there should be something mentioning it. sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:30:26AM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > OK, I started the install process from the beginning again, remounted > partitions, etc. Not only did I boot the install using "bf24", but I > also chose the long install, to make sure that I was installing a 2.4 > kernel from the Deb 3 rev. 1 full install CDs. I tried /sbin/ifconfig > eth0 and got a lot of numbers in response that I don't really > understand, but what seems to be more interesting, is when I did a > "modprobe sis900", the response was "can't locate module sis900". No need to load a module, support for it is compiled into that particular kernel image: $ grep SIS900 config-2.4.18-bf2.4 CONFIG_SIS900=y Another indication is the output of "ifconfig eth0". The fact that you got output indicates that your kernel recognizes something as network interface eth0. If it didn't it would give you an error like: # ifconfig eth0 eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found instead you probably got something much more like: # ifconfig eth0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:03:6D:13:6F:9F with several other lines following. So, now you've got support for your network chipset. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OK, I started the install process from the beginning again, remounted partitions, etc. Not only did I boot the install using "bf24", but I also chose the long install, to make sure that I was installing a 2.4 kernel from the Deb 3 rev. 1 full install CDs. I tried /sbin/ifconfig eth0 and got a lot of numbers in response that I don't really understand, but what seems to be more interesting, is when I did a "modprobe sis900", the response was "can't locate module sis900". I then looked under the kernel/net modules for the SiS900 driver and it is not listed .-( According to a posting from Klaus Imgrund, there is a module for SiS900 on the "testing CD", but I am unsure what "testing CD" this is and how I can load the module into the kernel I am installing. Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:10:08PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: DHCP failed. I booted the install with the command "bf24", so support for the built into motherboard SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver should be loaded. What do I do now??? well first things first see if the networking works :) try $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 to see if it has an ip address. if you're still having issues, it may be that you need to insert a module--so try modprobe sis900 (i believe that's the name of the module, though you might want to double check that). to restart your networking (and give another jab at dhcp), # /etc/init.d/networking restart anyway, if you installed with a 2.2 kernel, then that's probably what got installed on your hard drive. at this point to get a newer kernel on it, i'm not sure what would be the easiest method. normally i'd say apt-get, but you kind of need either networking or the cd set to do that try booting into the installer with the bf24 again, and see if you can skip all the partitioning/mkfs'ing, then mount your partitions, and then re-install the kernel with the installer. sean
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:10:08PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > DHCP failed. I booted the install with the command "bf24", so support > for the built into motherboard SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver should be > loaded. What do I do now??? well first things first see if the networking works :) try $ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 to see if it has an ip address. if you're still having issues, it may be that you need to insert a module--so try modprobe sis900 (i believe that's the name of the module, though you might want to double check that). to restart your networking (and give another jab at dhcp), # /etc/init.d/networking restart anyway, if you installed with a 2.2 kernel, then that's probably what got installed on your hard drive. at this point to get a newer kernel on it, i'm not sure what would be the easiest method. normally i'd say apt-get, but you kind of need either networking or the cd set to do that try booting into the installer with the bf24 again, and see if you can skip all the partitioning/mkfs'ing, then mount your partitions, and then re-install the kernel with the installer. sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:10:08 +0700 "Brian Durant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I finally got CD1 image downloaded for Debian 3 Rev1. I followed the > SuSE partitioning scheme for the first install attempt. Got to > "configure network", where I am prompted for a "hostname". Not really > sure how this compares to a MS "workgroup" so I left it at the default > "debian". "hostname" is the name of your computer. It doesn't compare at all to a MS "workgroup". It compares to the name you'd give to your MS computer. > Then tried to get an IP via DHCP, which is what my computers > do (home WAN/LAN connected to LinkSys router and 3Com cable modem), but > DHCP failed. I booted the install with the command "bf24", so support > for the built into motherboard SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver should be > loaded. What do I do now??? Either the nic support has not been loaded, or your ethernet cable is unplugged (or you have ethernet hardware issues), or you've configured your dhcp server to provide addresses for specific MAC addresses and you've forgotten to add this machine. Of these three things, I'd suspect the first. Use the "Configure modules" option and see if you can find your SiS 900 in the list of loadable modules, and try to load it. If that works, that should solve your problem. > BTW, thanks for all of the responses so far. If anyone is interested, > the subject line comes from a famous quote of Winston Churchill, > describing John Foster Dulles - a bull that brings his own china shop ;-) Which is interesting . . . . However, you may find that you get better response on a list like this with a more descriptive subject line, like "newbie install; no DHCP". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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OK, I finally got CD1 image downloaded for Debian 3 Rev1. I followed the SuSE partitioning scheme for the first install attempt. Got to "configure network", where I am prompted for a "hostname". Not really sure how this compares to a MS "workgroup" so I left it at the default "debian". Then tried to get an IP via DHCP, which is what my computers do (home WAN/LAN connected to LinkSys router and 3Com cable modem), but DHCP failed. I booted the install with the command "bf24", so support for the built into motherboard SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver should be loaded. What do I do now??? BTW, thanks for all of the responses so far. If anyone is interested, the subject line comes from a famous quote of Winston Churchill, describing John Foster Dulles - a bull that brings his own china shop ;-) Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:43:02AM -0600, Kent West wrote: If you're a newbie, I'd recommend taking the first scheme, use Debian for a day or two. Then do the install all over again, wiping the drive, using the second scheme. Then do it again in a week or so, wiping the drive, and making a choice then as to which scheme you feel comfortable using. The first two installs are not for the purpose of figuring out which scheme you want to use; they're just to get you familiar with the install process, kind of like how rebuilding your car's engine will give you a huge education, but rebuilding it thrice will give you an even better education. fwiw, i agree with this, but it also depends on how much time you want to put into learning this stuff. i think if you do it this way, you'll learn a lot more about how your computer and linux (and os's on your computer in general) work, but of course it's more of a time commitment as well (especially if you're doing a net install...). sean
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:43:02AM -0600, Kent West wrote: > If you're a newbie, I'd recommend taking the first scheme, use Debian > for a day or two. Then do the install all over again, wiping the drive, > using the second scheme. Then do it again in a week or so, wiping the > drive, and making a choice then as to which scheme you feel comfortable > using. The first two installs are not for the purpose of figuring out > which scheme you want to use; they're just to get you familiar with the > install process, kind of like how rebuilding your car's engine will give > you a huge education, but rebuilding it thrice will give you an even > better education. fwiw, i agree with this, but it also depends on how much time you want to put into learning this stuff. i think if you do it this way, you'll learn a lot more about how your computer and linux (and os's on your computer in general) work, but of course it's more of a time commitment as well (especially if you're doing a net install...). sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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hi brian, On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:54:55PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > So where would I do this in the install process, at the prompt for hda > disk partition? Skip over the swap prompt? What comes after, a dialog > listing of all the hard drive partitions? /home I understand, but what > is a "/var"? How would all of these partitions look together in > schematic form and what values (sizes) do you suggest? Which of these > should be ReiserFS partitions "/" and "/home", if I want to use ReiserFS? at some point you'll be asked if you want to initialize/format your partitions. assuming you have nothing important on your system that can't be backed up beforehand (which one really always should do before installing any os), i'd recommend completely starting over from scratch and doing a setup like* /boot 25-50MB swap(amt. RAM x 1.5) / (most of your hard drive) /var512 MB /home 100-500 MB, depending on taste note that this is > 4 partitions, so you'll need some logical/extended entries. i think cfdisk does this somewhat transparently for you, but it's been a while... the reason i mentioned /var is because it's really easy for the subdirectory /var to fill up in many situations. for example, a runaway process or infinitely looping bouncing mail (anyone who's learned the hard way about what not to do with a .forward...) might put a couple thousand entries in a logfile in /var/log in a matter of minutes, and if you don't have /var in its own partition, it won't be long before your disk is full and things start breaking. also, debian stores downloaded .deb packages in /var/cache, another reason to limit it. having a separate partition is kind of like putting fireproof walls and doors in a building, it does wonders for damage control. if you're really paranoid, or just enjoy putting up blast doors in your home, you might want to do it. but also, like some folks mentioned in this thread, this isn't exactly the control center for a nuclear reactor, so if you don't feel like spending the time, you can always just have a big / partition and be done with it. wrt to ReiserFS vs. ext2 vs. ext3 vs. ???, i think that's more a matter of personal taste than anything else. also, i'm not sure what kernels support what fs's in the boot floppy series, so you might need to check to make sure that it's supported by whatever you're using to install. hth sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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* Brian Durant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030224 23:21]: > [...] I know that Debian has a long and honored reputation of not > including commercial software, but does that mean that no attempt is > made to support commercial products [...] You mean "non-Free", or "proprietary", in place of "commercial". Plenty of the software in Debian is extraordinarily beneficial to commerce. good times, Vineet -- http://www.doorstop.net/ -- One nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty, and justice for all. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:39:03AM -0500, sean finney wrote: > heya, > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:25:20PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > > /dev/hda7reiserfs9.29 GB(mount point) / > > > > /dev/hda5ext215.1 MB/boot > > > > shmfs shm 57.9 MB/dev/shm > > from my own experience, if you have the time i'd recommend splitting > that up a bit more. debian likes having big /var directories, so i'd > recommend shaving half a gig off of / and making a /var, also maybe > have /home separate too, so over ambitious downloading doesn't > bring the system to it's knees. Look here: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html Also, if you're going to keep shmfs (or tmpfs in the newer 2.4 kernels, I'd keep it if you have plenty of RAM) you can use a neat trick to mount /tmp over /dev/shm using a bind mount. For example, I have a server with 2G RAM; here are the relevant entries from /etc/fstab: tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs size=768M,nr_inodes=65536 0 0 /dev/shm/tmpnonerw,bind 0 0 HTH, -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Warning: dates in calendar are closer than they appear. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Brian Durant wrote: OK, due to a download problem with a couple of the large CD iso files, I am trying the bootbf2.4.iso Andrew Bloch net install. When I get to the hard disk partitioning, I am not really sure what to do. My hard disk looks like the following at this time: /dev/hda7reiserfs9.29 GB(mount point) / /dev/hda5ext215.1 MB/boot shmfs shm 57.9 MB/dev/shm This is from a SuSE 7.3 Pro install. I don't have a problem with the setup, if it will work with Debian, but I am unsure as to how to proceed with the Debian install prompts: 1) prompt for /dev/hda6 as swap I guess this is OK, I assume that shmfs is swap? I got this info from KDE Control Panel under SuSE 7.3. It uses KDE 2 something. 2) prompt for hda disk partition. I assume this provides an opportunity to reformat the entire hard disk, but all I really want to do is reformat the partitions at the same size for the same uses as I have now, unless there is a reason not to. I don't know what the shmfs partition is. What I'd do, assuming you're wiping any remnants of SuSE in favor of Debian, is to choose the "Partition a Disk" option, and delete any existing partitions, then create new partitions according to one of two schemes: 1) A large / partition, followed by a swap partition of two times your RAM size. Some folks would put the swap partition first, followed by the / partition; the debate goes on as to which is more efficient/faster/better/etc. This scheme of having one large partition for everything (except swap) has the advantage of being easy to setup and understand, and is less likely to present "no space left on device" errors for the newbie who doesn't yet have the skill to estimate what size to make different partitions. 2) A bunch of smaller partitions, sized according to need. This scheme has the advantage of being a bit more secure/safe: you can mount certain partitions read-only for example, or if a log file goes crazy and fills up a partition it can only fill up the log file partition and not bring the system to its knees, or if file system should occur, it'll probably only affect that partition and not the entire system, and backups can be easier to manage, etc. If you're a newbie, I'd recommend taking the first scheme, use Debian for a day or two. Then do the install all over again, wiping the drive, using the second scheme. Then do it again in a week or so, wiping the drive, and making a choice then as to which scheme you feel comfortable using. The first two installs are not for the purpose of figuring out which scheme you want to use; they're just to get you familiar with the install process, kind of like how rebuilding your car's engine will give you a huge education, but rebuilding it thrice will give you an even better education. Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My apologies for making this a list-wide post, but I'd prefer to be corrected if I'm wrong. On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:25:20PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > OK, due to a download problem with a couple of the large CD iso files, I > am trying the bootbf2.4.iso Andrew Bloch net install. When I get to the > hard disk partitioning, I am not really sure what to do. My hard disk > looks like the following at this time: > > /dev/hda7reiserfs9.29 GB(mount point) / > > /dev/hda5ext215.1 MB/boot > > shmfs shm 57.9 MB/dev/shm Assuming that this describes your entire hard drive, I would start off fresh by making up the following partitioning scheme: /boot hda150 MB / hda2The Rest The reason for not subdividing this into a bevy of partitions is twofold: 1. This is your first Linux install, so you have no idea where you will need the space. It's also not a "mission critical" system, in the sense that you will lose your job/life if it goes tango-uniform for some unknown reason, so a single partition isn't that dangerous. 2. As an extension to the above, you don't really know what they system is going to be used for, other than "stuff"; a system used for database development is going to be built differently than one used as an MP3 archive. So, given that, it's easier to just have one partition to "worry" about. After you become more comfortable with the system, you can start worrying about partitioning, and it's pretty trivial to back the system up with afio, repartition, rebuild filesystems, and stream the backup down on to the "new" filesystem schema (a hell of a lot easier than it is with Windows). Viel spass! -- Don Werve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Unix System Administrator) Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So where would I do this in the install process, at the prompt for hda disk partition? Skip over the swap prompt? What comes after, a dialog listing of all the hard drive partitions? /home I understand, but what is a "/var"? How would all of these partitions look together in schematic form and what values (sizes) do you suggest? Which of these should be ReiserFS partitions "/" and "/home", if I want to use ReiserFS? Cheers, Brian sean finney wrote: heya, On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:25:20PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: /dev/hda7reiserfs9.29 GB(mount point) / /dev/hda5ext215.1 MB/boot shmfs shm 57.9 MB/dev/shm from my own experience, if you have the time i'd recommend splitting that up a bit more. debian likes having big /var directories, so i'd recommend shaving half a gig off of / and making a /var, also maybe have /home separate too, so over ambitious downloading doesn't bring the system to it's knees. sean
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heya, On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:25:20PM +0700, Brian Durant wrote: > /dev/hda7reiserfs9.29 GB(mount point) / > > /dev/hda5ext215.1 MB/boot > > shmfs shm 57.9 MB/dev/shm from my own experience, if you have the time i'd recommend splitting that up a bit more. debian likes having big /var directories, so i'd recommend shaving half a gig off of / and making a /var, also maybe have /home separate too, so over ambitious downloading doesn't bring the system to it's knees. sean pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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OK, due to a download problem with a couple of the large CD iso files, I am trying the bootbf2.4.iso Andrew Bloch net install. When I get to the hard disk partitioning, I am not really sure what to do. My hard disk looks like the following at this time: /dev/hda7 reiserfs 9.29 GB (mount point) / /dev/hda5 ext2 15.1 MB /boot shmfs shm 57.9 MB /dev/shm This is from a SuSE 7.3 Pro install. I don't have a problem with the setup, if it will work with Debian, but I am unsure as to how to proceed with the Debian install prompts: 1) prompt for /dev/hda6 as swap I guess this is OK, I assume that shmfs is swap? I got this info from KDE Control Panel under SuSE 7.3. It uses KDE 2 something. 2) prompt for hda disk partition. I assume this provides an opportunity to reformat the entire hard disk, but all I really want to do is reformat the partitions at the same size for the same uses as I have now, unless there is a reason not to. Cheers, Brian Mark Janssen wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 08:04, Brian Durant wrote: I am a relative Newbie to Linux and totally new to Debian and this list. My first questions, which I hope aren't like the above subject, is how closely related is Xandros (formerly Corel) to Debian? Is it close I've never used Xandros, but I assume it's mostly the same except for some customizing in the installer and 'desktop' department. enough that list members wouldn't mind me posting problems to this list or is that verbotten? I know that Debian has a long and honored reputation of not including commercial software, but does that mean that no attempt is made to support commercial products, for example getting Win4Lin, Star Office or Codeweavers' Office and plug in products to run For commercial software you can usually get good support from the provider of that commercial software... that's what your paying for. I've never used Win4Lin, but I know OpenOffice is working great for debian, and it's also included in debian-main (unstable anyway). Crossover also works perfectly. At this time, I am trying to get a working Linux version installed on my daughter's Fujitsu-Siemens Celvin EasyPC. This PC has no legacy serial or parallel ports, supports USB 1.1 and like the iMac, comes without a Should not be any problem... as long as it boots from cd-rom built-in floppy drive. I have tried Mandrake PowerPack 9, SuSE 7.3 Pro and Xandros 1. I have had problems with all of these with regards to getting the SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver (Ethernet built into Get a debian (mini- or netinst-)cd and boot it with the 'bf24' option to use a 2.4 kernel. The 2.4 kernels in debian support the sis900 out of the box (I have them in my laptop and desktop systems) motherboard) to work properly. As the computer is connected to our home WAN/LAN, she hasn't been able to access the Internet or brows the Intranet. I am now in the process of burning the Debian 3 rev1 CDs and was wondering if there were any helpful comments or suggestions to any of the above. On the isolinux prompt enter 'bf24'
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On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 08:04, Brian Durant wrote: > I am a relative Newbie to Linux and totally new to Debian and this list. > My first questions, which I hope aren't like the above subject, is how > closely related is Xandros (formerly Corel) to Debian? Is it close I've never used Xandros, but I assume it's mostly the same except for some customizing in the installer and 'desktop' department. > enough that list members wouldn't mind me posting problems to this list > or is that verbotten? I know that Debian has a long and honored > reputation of not including commercial software, but does that mean that > no attempt is made to support commercial products, for example getting > Win4Lin, Star Office or Codeweavers' Office and plug in products to run For commercial software you can usually get good support from the provider of that commercial software... that's what your paying for. I've never used Win4Lin, but I know OpenOffice is working great for debian, and it's also included in debian-main (unstable anyway). Crossover also works perfectly. > At this time, I am trying to get a working Linux version installed on my > daughter's Fujitsu-Siemens Celvin EasyPC. This PC has no legacy serial > or parallel ports, supports USB 1.1 and like the iMac, comes without a Should not be any problem... as long as it boots from cd-rom > built-in floppy drive. I have tried Mandrake PowerPack 9, SuSE 7.3 Pro > and Xandros 1. I have had problems with all of these with regards to > getting the SiS 900 Fast Ethernet driver (Ethernet built into Get a debian (mini- or netinst-)cd and boot it with the 'bf24' option to use a 2.4 kernel. The 2.4 kernels in debian support the sis900 out of the box (I have them in my laptop and desktop systems) > motherboard) to work properly. As the computer is connected to our home > WAN/LAN, she hasn't been able to access the Internet or brows the > Intranet. I am now in the process of burning the Debian 3 rev1 CDs and > was wondering if there were any helpful comments or suggestions to any > of the above. On the isolinux prompt enter 'bf24' -- Mark Janssen -- maniac(at)maniac.nl -- GnuPG Key Id: 357D2178 Unix / Linux, Open-Source and Internet Consultant @ SyConOS IT Maniac.nl Unix-God.Net|Org MarkJanssen.org|nl SyConOS.com|nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
