Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/24/2011 01:13 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: G. BACKUPS are a must-do for anyone who values their data. Very true. But RAID is a useful first measure. One of my disks (a Western Digital!) failed, and thanks to md I was up and running as soon as I bought the replacement (well, before that, but I didn't want to risk running a degraded array). What about RAID + LVM snapshots? Is that almost as good a real backup? It covers: a) Hardware failures, b) Accidental file deletions, corruptions, c) Hosted filesystem (e.g. ext3) failures. But doesn't cover: a) LVM filesystem failures, b) LVM and RAID driver problems. But how likely are these if you are running Stable and don't go messing with the partition table? BTW, what type of backups do you use? It takes 5 DVDs just for my photo collection! -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db3e27c.3040...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/24/2011 03:21 AM, Heddle Weaver wrote: I sympathise with your problem. What do you do in this regard? Keep on buying enclosures/drives till you find one that works? Perhaps an update to compatible hardware lists and manufacturer notifications in this aspect also? I found the compatibility lists lacking with respect to hdd enclosures. Really, the hardware manufacturers should start paying more attention to non-Windows users and be more faithful to hardware specifications. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db3e47a.5040...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On Du, 24 apr 11, 11:51:06, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: Really, the hardware manufacturers should start paying more attention to non-Windows users and be more faithful to hardware specifications. I think, especially in this particular case, sticking to the standards would have guaranteed a good enclosure. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
Not quite. With this set-up, I wanted the home partition on the external drive. Yep, freebsd is a bit different. It assumes operator is not a newbee at all. That is a potential candidate, because allthe installs mentione were on a laptop - HP nx6120 - which is now almost six years old. Ah, I have nx9020, and freebsd on it. Works like a charm, so far. This was the problem. It showed up nowhere. If it had, I would have been able to mount it somehow, but I couldn't because as far as the O.S. was concerned, it didn't exist. With Debian, no problem! I'm writing to it now. But no chance with BSD. You have to tell it where the partition is in fstab. I would try with this: /dev/da0 /home ufs rw,auto 0 0 Be carefull not to have more usb devices, since than the proper device name could be different. What is wrong with /home on hdd? You might have it on hdd and one soft link to nonadmin user on usb drive. Like, root on hdd and the directory for yourself as a simlink to usb drive, which has to be mounted during boot process (fstab). Simply, make new user, then remove his directory, make simlink, connect usb drive, par- tition it and make file system, then add a line to fstab and do reboot. Correct device should be /usr/home/name. I'n not aware if debian could read and write to ffs2. Best regards Zoran -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110424143016.GA1016@faust
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/24/2011 03:42 AM, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: [snip] BTW, what type of backups do you use? It takes 5 DVDs just for my photo collection! An external esata enclosure stuffed full off drives. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db43891.70...@cox.net
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/20/2011 11:25 PM, Mark wrote: I've been using this one with Debian Lenny for a while. Have a 250 GB IDE hdd in it currently. I couldn't find it in my country, but thanks anyway! On 04/22/2011 05:31 PM, Camaleón wrote: I've had no problems with any of my hdd external cases so may I ask you about brand and model of yours? Yeap, that's what they said at the shop, that there shouldn't be any problems with linux. I've tried two cases. One was a Konig (?) case, but I couldn't get it recognized. Something about it not accepting the USB address it was assigned. The other was an IcyBox. It seemed to work at first, but then the computer became unresponsive and I had to 'halt -nf' it. Didn't get it to work after that. I've tried two different Western Digital disks. I've had a lot of problems with WD disks, so it could be the hdds' problem. Anyway, eventually I connected my hdd to a PATA to SATA interface on my motherboard and transferred my data. -- Thanks, Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db2d5fc.7050...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:37:00 +0300, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: On 04/22/2011 05:31 PM, Camaleón wrote: I've had no problems with any of my hdd external cases so may I ask you about brand and model of yours? Yeap, that's what they said at the shop, that there shouldn't be any problems with linux. I've tried two cases. O:-) Most of the chipsets used by the external USB enclosures are recognized by the kernel so there shouldn't be any problem... well, it could, but that's not the norm. One was a Konig (?) case, but I couldn't get it recognized. Something about it not accepting the USB address it was assigned. That kind of error it sounds me a lot (I mean, that I have read on this same list similar problems for USB devices -from hdd to pen drives- to get properly recognized). The other was an IcyBox. It seemed to work at first, but then the computer became unresponsive and I had to 'halt -nf' it. Didn't get it to work after that. Hum... having problems with one brand/model could be even understandable but having problems with another different brand/model enclosure is a bit weird. I've tried two different Western Digital disks. I've had a lot of problems with WD disks, so it could be the hdds' problem. Yep, I've also heard about that but have not experienced by myself, mostly because I tend to buy Seagate hdds. And with the two recent acquisitions by Seagate (which bought Samsung's hdd market) and Western Digital (bought Hitachi storage division) now we (users) have less options than ever when it comes to hard disk choices ;-( Anyway, eventually I connected my hdd to a PATA to SATA interface on my motherboard and transferred my data. JFYI, I own an external 3.5 USB enclosure¹ (I have more, but are completely unbranded :-P) and still haven't had any problem with it and features an internal combo interface to connect both IDE/SATA hard disks: http://www.ms-tech.de/eng/index.php/product/detail/pdcid/36/pdid/119 Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.23.14.08...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
Sounds like the problem is in your host, can you try the same pieces in another box? 2011/4/20 Panayiotis Karabassis pan...@gmail.com Hi, I made the mistake of purchasing an external HDD enclosure without researching first. The enclosure wouldn't be recognized in Debian Squeeze or Wheezy with errors that are not relevant since I've returned it to the shop. The drive I want to ...enclose is a 3.5 inch PATA HDD. Acceptable interfaces are USB (any version) and it seems my motherboard also has an eSata input. I've spent quite some time googling but couldn't reach any solid conclusions. So please recommend an enclosure that is known to work in Debian, preferably a popular brand, so that it stands a chance of being available in my country. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4daf3032.8080...@gmail.com -- Leonardo Ruoso - Jornalista/Desenvolvedor Assessoria de Imprensa. Consultoria de Marketing. Desenvolvimento e Integração de Software. Comunicação Social/Jornalismo - UFC/2006. Telecomunicações - ETFCE/1998. Foos, Perl, Debian Gnu/Linux, Agile, UML, DBA e OOP. Coaching/NLP. Inglês e Francês. http://leonardo.ruoso.com - http://www.linkedin.com/in/lruoso
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/23/2011 09:08 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] JFYI, I own an external 3.5 USB enclosure¹ (I have more, but are completely unbranded :-P) and still haven't had any problem with it and features an internal combo interface to connect both IDE/SATA hard disks: For a decade, I've had a series of generic PATA (and now SATA) USB enclosures. All have worked flawlessly. Maybe OP's problem is the drive, not the enclosure? -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db30dbb.2080...@cox.net
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/23/2011 06:04 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: Sounds like the problem is in your host, can you try the same pieces in another box? Actually I tried on two boxes, a desktop running Squeeze and a notebook running Wheezy. The first enclosure failed on both, the second worked for a while and then I had to 'halt -nf' the computer. Probably the filesystem became corrupt during this, because the case signaled an error afterwards. Anyway I solved my problem by connecting the hdd directly to the motherboard. I'd like to research this further, but I've returned both cases to the shop. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db34b23.5030...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/23/2011 05:08 PM, Camaleón wrote: I've tried two different Western Digital disks. I've had a lot of problems with WD disks, so it could be the hdds' problem. Yep, I've also heard about that but have not experienced by myself, mostly because I tend to buy Seagate hdds. Good for you! I must say I am very dissatisfied with Western Digital drives, but, for some reason, I keep buying them! :-D And with the two recent acquisitions by Seagate (which bought Samsung's hdd market) and Western Digital (bought Hitachi storage division) now we (users) have less options than ever when it comes to hard disk choices ;-( Just my luck! My new computer has two Hitachi drives, am I to expect the same unreliability as with WD? :-P Anyway I (almost) haven't lost any data since setting up a software RAID (md) array. Well I have, but it was my fault for messing up with the partition tables. RAID is a must-do for anyone who values their data. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db34dd9.4040...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 04/23/2011 05:08 PM, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: [snip] Anyway I (almost) haven't lost any data since setting up a software RAID (md) array. Well I have, but it was my fault for messing up with the partition tables. RAID is a must-do for anyone who values their data. G. BACKUPS are a must-do for anyone who values their data. -- Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4db34f24.7000...@cox.net
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 23 April 2011 17:56, Panayiotis Karabassis pan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/23/2011 06:04 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: Sounds like the problem is in your host, can you try the same pieces in another box? Actually I tried on two boxes, a desktop running Squeeze and a notebook running Wheezy. The first enclosure failed on both, the second worked for a while and then I had to 'halt -nf' the computer. Probably the filesystem became corrupt during this, because the case signaled an error afterwards. Anyway I solved my problem by connecting the hdd directly to the motherboard. I'd like to research this further, but I've returned both cases to the shop. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis I've had similar problems with an enclosure from a company called Zogis using WD drives (don't have any other drive types to test yet), will not be detected under Linux or Windows. I'm in the process of trying to identify the problem and if necessary return/exchange/whatever the enclosures. Bill
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 24 April 2011 10:05, William Cooper wkcoo...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 April 2011 17:56, Panayiotis Karabassis pan...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/23/2011 06:04 PM, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: Sounds like the problem is in your host, can you try the same pieces in another box? Actually I tried on two boxes, a desktop running Squeeze and a notebook running Wheezy. The first enclosure failed on both, the second worked for a while and then I had to 'halt -nf' the computer. Probably the filesystem became corrupt during this, because the case signaled an error afterwards. Anyway I solved my problem by connecting the hdd directly to the motherboard. I'd like to research this further, but I've returned both cases to the shop. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis I've had similar problems with an enclosure from a company called Zogis using WD drives (don't have any other drive types to test yet), will not be detected under Linux or Windows. I'm in the process of trying to identify the problem and if necessary return/exchange/whatever the enclosures. Bill There are variables of all sorts in scenarios like this. I have a 1TB Seagate external expansion drive. It is recognised and installed under windows and Debian - everything from Lenny to current unstable. But with the BSDs? Not a chance! With FreeBSD and PC-BSD it is dropped at the USB register stage of both the install and all consequent boots after O.S. install - so it's in the mothercode. An extremely rough hack of unplugging it at the wall immediately prior to that and immediately plugging it back in, forces recognition, but who needs that? On install, even after recognition, the drive is impossible to find anywhere, so it can't be configured in for mount. What do you put that down to? Code - firmware interface? Other brands of external drives are recognised, installed, partitioned and immediately available/operable after initial boot, which would appear to give credence to that. I sympathise with your problem. What do you do in this regard? Keep on buying enclosures/drives till you find one that works? Perhaps an update to compatible hardware lists and manufacturer notifications in this aspect also? Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
But with the BSDs? Not a chance! With FreeBSD and PC-BSD it is dropped at the USB register stage of both the install and all consequent boots after O.S. install - so it's in the mothercode. I assume the topic is on install to the hdd? Not using usb hard drive as a storage? It all depends on the possibility to boot from mobo via usb device. Some older boards are not prone to let it go. Almost all modern do the trick. During install process, you could choose hard drive you want to install to and where you want boot loader to reside. If used as a storage device, usb hdd is just fine as it shows in /dev directory. Freebsd has dynamic /dev and, after some time, it is there as dax or daxsy (aka da0 or da0s1). Then you could mount it with something like: mount_msdosfs -l /dev/da0 /my_directory In my case, I found that some cheap enclosures are not able to boot from mobo, but some integrated, branded, are. If you know the exact number, search forums for boot linux usb hdd or similar. Best regards Zoran -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110424040156.GA970@faust
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On 24 April 2011 14:01, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote: But with the BSDs? Not a chance! With FreeBSD and PC-BSD it is dropped at the USB register stage of both the install and all consequent boots after O.S. install - so it's in the mothercode. I assume the topic is on install to the hdd? Not using usb hard drive as a storage? Not quite. With this set-up, I wanted the home partition on the external drive. It all depends on the possibility to boot from mobo via usb device. Some older boards are not prone to let it go. That is a potential candidate, because allthe installs mentione were on a laptop - HP nx6120 - which is now almost six years old. Almost all modern do the trick. During install process, you could choose hard drive you want to install to and where you want boot loader to reside. If used as a storage device, usb hdd is just fine as it shows in /dev directory. Freebsd has dynamic /dev and, after some time, it is there as dax or daxsy (aka da0 or da0s1). Then you could mount it with something like: mount_msdosfs -l /dev/da0 /my_directory This was the problem. It showed up nowhere. If it had, I would have been able to mount it somehow, but I couldn't because as far as the O.S. was concerned, it didn't exist. With Debian, no problem! I'm writing to it now. But no chance with BSD. In my case, I found that some cheap enclosures are not able to boot from mobo, but some integrated, branded, are. If you know the exact number, search forums for boot linux usb hdd or similar. Best regards Thanks, Zoran. Regards, Weaver. -- Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion.
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:12:50 +0300, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote: I made the mistake of purchasing an external HDD enclosure without researching first. The enclosure wouldn't be recognized in Debian Squeeze or Wheezy with errors that are not relevant since I've returned it to the shop. (...) I've had no problems with any of my hdd external cases so may I ask you about brand and model of yours? Anyway, you can get some useful feedback from New Egg's users comments: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=92name=External-Enclosures Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.04.22.14.31...@gmail.com
Re: Please recommend an external HDD enclosure
Hi, I've been using this one with Debian Lenny for a while. Have a 250 GB IDE hdd in it currently. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182154cm_re=hdd_enclosure-_-17-182-154-_-Product HTH. Mark On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Panayiotis Karabassis pan...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I made the mistake of purchasing an external HDD enclosure without researching first. The enclosure wouldn't be recognized in Debian Squeeze or Wheezy with errors that are not relevant since I've returned it to the shop. The drive I want to ...enclose is a 3.5 inch PATA HDD. Acceptable interfaces are USB (any version) and it seems my motherboard also has an eSata input. I've spent quite some time googling but couldn't reach any solid conclusions. So please recommend an enclosure that is known to work in Debian, preferably a popular brand, so that it stands a chance of being available in my country. -- Regards Panayiotis Karabassis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4daf3032.8080...@gmail.com
