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Glenn English wrote: Are HP laser printers still OK? Anybody have horror stories about the 4700? Or a better idea (color, laser, self contained server, heavy load)? TIA. I like the Samsung CLP-550N (Note: don't get the 500 or 510, which do not speak native postscript). However, it is discontinued and hard to come by. If you can get one for under $500, I would jump on it. It is quiet, fast, and setup is a cinch with CUPS since it speaks native postscript. If you get a model without the trailing N (meaning it does not include the network card) then you probably want to pay considerably less. Be careful as there are people out there selling the CLP-550 as network ready, which translates into you will have to buy the $250 netowrk card from Samsung to put this on a network. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: printer recommendations
Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are HP laser printers still OK? Anybody have horror stories about the 4700? Or a better idea (color, laser, self contained server, heavy load)? My HP5 no longer is supported. I discovered the fact when a HP toner cartridge (supposedly with a lifetime warranty) appeared to be causing problems in the printer. I phoned HP and was told that I could not speak with a technician, because no technicians were assigned to non-supported printers such as the HP5. And without authorization from a technician, the customer is not authorized to return a toner cartridge, even if you purchased it the day before. I asked to speak with a customer service representative, but was told that there was no one at all -- in all of the HP empire -- who could help me, once support for a printer has been discontinued. So, once a HP printer is discontinued, the customer has no recourse whatsoever if a genuine HP toner cartridge is defective, unless the office supply store is willing to provide an exchange or refund. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:11:27PM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: I phoned HP and was told that I could not speak with a technician, because no technicians were assigned to non-supported printers such as the HP5. And without authorization from a technician, the customer is not authorized to return a toner cartridge, even if you purchased it the day before. I asked to speak with a customer service representative, but was told that there was no one at all -- in all of the HP empire -- who could help me, once support for a printer has been discontinued. So, once a HP printer is discontinued, the customer has no recourse whatsoever if a genuine HP toner cartridge is defective, unless the office supply store is willing to provide an exchange or refund. Write to Ed Foster at the Gripe Line. Watch HP back down. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read my blog at nitpickingblog.blogspot.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 16 Dec 2002, Nicolaus Kedegren wrote: I could not agree more with you. A used HPLJ4 cost me $125, and a refill cartridge about $45 at the same place. Although, I do believe that the toner cartridge was full, 500 pages so far and still going strong. My personal Computer related Best Buy so far. Beats any other peripheral I have bought during the years come and gone since the Sinclair ZX80. ( Yeah, we are still alive). -- Best Regards I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 16 Dec 2002, Nicolaus Kedegren wrote: I could not agree more with you. A used HPLJ4 cost me $125, and a refill cartridge about $45 at the same place. Although, I do believe that the toner cartridge was full, 500 pages so far and still going strong. My personal Computer related Best Buy so far. Beats any other peripheral I have bought during the years come and gone since the Sinclair ZX80. ( Yeah, we are still alive). -- Best Regards I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles That was a design flaw of the top feeding system - the 5L also does that (I have one that is otherwise an excellent low volume printer.) Never letting the paper feed get low and fluffing the paper before you put it in each time helps considerably, but it isn't a certain solution. Apparently there is a Windows-based software tweak that can help (???) but part of the basic problem is natural static electricity. If you watch an HP printer that feeds from below the toner cartridge, they almost shake each sheet to ensure they are only pulling one now. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Printer Recommendations?
On 17 Dec 2002, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles That was a design flaw of the top feeding system - the 5L also does that (I have one that is otherwise an excellent low volume printer.) Never letting the paper feed get low and fluffing the paper before you put it in each time helps considerably, but it isn't a certain solution. Apparently there is a Windows-based software tweak that can help (???) but part of the basic problem is natural static electricity. If you watch an HP printer that feeds from below the toner cartridge, they almost shake each sheet to ensure they are only pulling one now. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. I also have a Brother HL-1040 which never shows this annoying behaviour although the paper path seems to be similar. AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:00:43 + Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Dec 2002, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles That was a design flaw of the top feeding system - the 5L also does that(I have one that is otherwise an excellent low volume printer.) Never letting the paper feed get low and fluffing the paper before you put it in each time helps considerably, but it isn't a certain solution. Apparently there is a Windows-based software tweak that can help (???) but part of the basic problem is natural static electricity. If you watch an HP printer that feeds from below the toner cartridge, they almost shake each sheet to ensure they are only pulling one now.-- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. I also have a Brother HL-1040 which never shows this annoying behaviour although the paper path seems to be similar. AC Hi, I used to have a LaserJet 6L with the same problem. There is a simple fix available for it - Hewlett Packard will send it out to you. Follow the link at this page: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl10045locale=en_US I got mine after a few weeks, it doesn't cost you anything. It's just a bit of cardboard that you have to ram down into the paper tray so that it replaces the 'separation pad' that apparently gets worn out on older models. Perhaps this is your problem? The solution worked for me - it used to eat as many pages as it could; now it does them one at a time. Jon. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 17 Dec 2002, Jon Dick wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:00:43 + Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Dec 2002, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). [snip] Hi, I used to have a LaserJet 6L with the same problem. There is a simple fix available for it - Hewlett Packard will send it out to you. Follow the link at this page: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl10045locale=en_US I got mine after a few weeks, it doesn't cost you anything. It's just a bit of cardboard that you have to ram down into the paper tray so that it replaces the 'separation pad' that apparently gets worn out on older models. Perhaps this is your problem? The solution worked for me - it used to eat as many pages as it could; now it does them one at a time. Jon. Thanks for this very useful bit of information. I've just ordered it and it's supposed to arrive on Dec. 31 so with any luck it will have things working! AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My HP 840C works well. I believe that is around 150 right now. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box 206 S. Fifth Ave. Suite 150 Ann Arbor, MI 48104 tel. 734-761-4689 fax. 734-769-8938 pgr. 734-882-0323 cel. 810-610-9583 txt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 16 Dec 2002, Alex Malinovich wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? p.s. I've been intrigued by the new Lexmark 75XP PrinTrio that I've seen advertised that prints and scans and is a little over $100 US but I don't know anything about how well it works period or how well it works under Linux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 2002-12-17T18:48:32Z, Jon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got mine after a few weeks, it doesn't cost you anything. It's just a bit of cardboard that you have to ram down into the paper tray so that it replaces the 'separation pad' that apparently gets worn out on older models. Does it strike anyone else as funny that a major manufacturer is sending out patches to their products in the form of little pieces of cardboard? Still, if it works... -- Kirk Strauser In Googlis non est, ergo non est. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 06:44:32AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 16 Dec 2002, Nicolaus Kedegren wrote: I could not agree more with you. A used HPLJ4 cost me $125, and a refill cartridge about $45 at the same place. Although, I do believe that the toner cartridge was full, 500 pages so far and still going strong. My personal Computer related Best Buy so far. Beats any other peripheral I have bought during the years come and gone since the Sinclair ZX80. ( Yeah, we are still alive). -- Best Regards I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles That was a design flaw of the top feeding system - the 5L also does that (I have one that is otherwise an excellent low volume printer.) Never letting the paper feed get low and fluffing the paper before you put it in each time helps considerably, but it isn't a certain solution. Apparently there is a Windows-based software tweak that can help (???) but part of the basic problem is natural static electricity. If you watch an HP printer that feeds from below the toner cartridge, they almost shake each sheet to ensure they are only pulling one now. I'm seeing the same thing with a Lexmark Optra E312 (which I picked because of a recommendation on www.linuxprinting.org). Other than that, it's a great printer for a great price ($300 two years ago, including PostScript and PCL with 4 MB RAM). The cartridges are pricey (~$100) but are good for 6000 sheets. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 09:41:59AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: At 2002-12-17T18:48:32Z, Jon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got mine after a few weeks, it doesn't cost you anything. It's just a bit of cardboard that you have to ram down into the paper tray so that it replaces the 'separation pad' that apparently gets worn out on older models. Does it strike anyone else as funny that a major manufacturer is sending out patches to their products in the form of little pieces of cardboard? Still, if it works... No more so than the plastic contraption with scotchbrite pads they came up with to clean the rollers of some Deskjet models. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 11:48:32PM +1100, Jon Dick wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:00:43 + Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Dec 2002, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 04:19, Anthony Campbell wrote: I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). AC -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]|| http://www.acampbell.org.uk using Linux GNU/Debian || for book reviews, electronic Windows-free zone || books and skeptical articles That was a design flaw of the top feeding system - the 5L also does that(I have one that is otherwise an excellent low volume printer.) Never letting the paper feed get low and fluffing the paper before you put it in each time helps considerably, but it isn't a certain solution. Apparently there is a Windows-based software tweak that can help (???) but part of the basic problem is natural static electricity. If you watch an HP printer that feeds from below the toner cartridge, they almost shake each sheet to ensure they are only pulling one now.-- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. I also have a Brother HL-1040 which never shows this annoying behaviour although the paper path seems to be similar. AC Hi, I used to have a LaserJet 6L with the same problem. There is a simple fix available for it - Hewlett Packard will send it out to you. Follow the link at this page: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl10045locale=en_US I got mine after a few weeks, it doesn't cost you anything. It's just a bit of cardboard that you have to ram down into the paper tray so that it replaces the 'separation pad' that apparently gets worn out on older models. Perhaps this is your problem? The solution worked for me - it used to eat as many pages as it could; now it does them one at a time. Jon. I have an Epson EPL-5200 which does this, but it doesn't look like you cound do anything with a piece of cardboard. Apart from that, it's fine. I find that setting GL2 emulation is best for Linux. Re toner/ink refills - you can get kits comprising bottles of ink and four hypodermics with which you can inject new ink into old cartridges. How many times you can do this depends on the cartridge, but even doing it once saves a packet. Office suppliers sell loose toner for refilling photocopiers, and you can refill laser printers with it as well. My cartridge has a little plug you can take out for this; others may require cutting or melting a hole (drilling would put swarf inside the cartridge...) and taping over it afterwards. Again, a lot cheaper than a new cartridge if the drum is OK. Apparently you can also get super-dense toner for doing transparencies, but I don't know where from. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 09:19:50AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 16 Dec 2002, Nicolaus Kedegren wrote: I have a used HPLJ6, which I got for nothing because it was being thrown out. It works well with Linux but the sheets in the paper feed constantly stick together so it is difficult to use except for single pages (which I think is why it was being thrown out in the first place). This sounds like wornout rubber roller. repair may not be too expensive. Those rubber roller used in Xerox or printer to drive paper are consumables too. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:37:38PM +, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Re toner/ink refills - you can get kits comprising bottles of ink and four hypodermics with which you can inject new ink into old cartridges. How many times you can do this depends on the cartridge, but even doing it once saves a packet. My understanding is that manufacturers (HP among them) are moving toward smart cartridges which know when they're empty...but not when they've been refilled. Effectively enforcing single-use status, and murmers of using tools such as DMCA Anti-circumvention for enforcement. Anyone have experiences / further information on this? And note that I may be half-remembering or rumormongering here Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Geek for hire: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alex Malinovich wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? p.s. I've been intrigued by the new Lexmark 75XP PrinTrio that I've seen advertised that prints and scans and is a little over $100 US but I don't know anything about how well it works period or how well it works under Linux. I am pretty much a HP fan... started off with a HP 500C in 1988 and used it until it died about a year ago. I replaced it with a HP 960C and have had excellent results with it under Linux + CUPS. I liked it so much that when my wife wanted something to print out color pictures I got her a HP 5550 for about $139 + tax at Office Depot just the other day. From what I see, it has better performance specs than my HP 960C, which cost me more. Buying printers is sort of like buying cars. Everyone has their favorite and everyone seems willing to fight to the death to prove their's is the best. One word of caution... if you go the Inkjet route, be prepared to spend what you save up-front on ink cart. replacement costs! Especially if you are in a busy LAN environment. When I was working from home doing lots of writing and printing, I had to replace my black cart. every month and the color cart about every 4 months just from MY use! That was about $27 per month PLUS $30 every 3-4 months. It adds up in a Total Cost of Ownership sense! Cheers, -Don Spoon- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Monday 16 December 2002 4:01, Alex Malinovich wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? I recently bought an Epson Stylus C80 which is supported perfectly in Debian. I have had no problems using CUPS to configure it, and on top of that, it is much faster and higher quality than my older Lexmark z22, which I tried desperately to set up in Debian with the aid of this newsgroup to no avail. The Epson can print 20 PPM in black text and color is extremely fast too at 1200 x 1200 resolution and 600 DPI. Overall, it's a very nice printer for about $120. p.s. I've been intrigued by the new Lexmark 75XP PrinTrio that I've seen advertised that prints and scans and is a little over $100 US but I don't know anything about how well it works period or how well it works under Linux. See how well it's supported at http://www.linuxprinting.org. That's where I got my information and it is a great resource in general. -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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p.s. I've been intrigued by the new Lexmark 75XP PrinTrio that I've seen advertised that prints and scans and is a little over $100 US but I don't know anything about how well it works period or how well it works under Linux. On the job i see a lot of broken Lexmarks (Mostly network printers, Optra e312, 410, Optra E, etc,) that are a constant headache. They go really well with win98, if you know what i mean,... I would never advise anyone to buy a lexmark. I think they are crap! Of course you never know maybe they can build one that doesn't blow . All the HP's i've come across are good, especially the new network printers. I would probably go the used older route as well, (as someone earlier pointed out) i guess depending on your needs. Check the linux printing site, (i forget the url, do a google search) to see what's well supported. Good luck. -mUs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:37:58PM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Alex Malinovich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? A used, ethernet-capable, postscript laserprinter. Possibly a higher up-front cost, but generally higher performance, and better quality, as well as far-lower operating costs, than inkjets. HPLJ4 or better should do you well. Used ~$300, but as noted the operating costs are lower than inkjet ($40/cartridge or so). Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Geek for hire: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html I could not agree more with you. A used HPLJ4 cost me $125, and a refill cartridge about $45 at the same place. Although, I do believe that the toner cartridge was full, 500 pages so far and still going strong. My personal Computer related Best Buy so far. Beats any other peripheral I have bought during the years come and gone since the Sinclair ZX80. ( Yeah, we are still alive). -- Best Regards Nicolaus Kedegren Catching his children with their hands in the new, still wet, patio, the father spanked them. His wife asked, Don't you love your children? In the abstract, yes, but not in the concrete. msg19542/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Alex Malinovich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? A used, ethernet-capable, postscript laserprinter. Possibly a higher up-front cost, but generally higher performance, and better quality, as well as far-lower operating costs, than inkjets. HPLJ4 or better should do you well. Used ~$300, but as noted the operating costs are lower than inkjet ($40/cartridge or so). Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Geek for hire: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 17:37, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Alex Malinovich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? A used, ethernet-capable, postscript laserprinter. Possibly a higher up-front cost, but generally higher performance, and better quality, as well as far-lower operating costs, than inkjets. HPLJ4 or better should do you well. Used ~$300, but as noted the operating costs are lower than inkjet ($40/cartridge or so). Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Geek for hire: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html I would ardently concur - unless you must have colour, you are financially well ahead to put out an extra few bucks up front for a laser printer. A typical toner cartridge lasts 8-10 times the length of service of a typical ink cartridge, runs faster, has fewer movements to go wrong, and the typical printer tends to hold up longer - many of the budget inkjets I've encountered have something critical break by the second or third year, while laser printers have tended to still be strongly functional after nearly a decade. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600 or thereabouts, Alex Malinovich wrote: I've finally gotten fed up with my roommate's Canon CBJ-2100 printer and all of it's associated problems (both software and hardware) and have decided to get a new one. My only requirements are that it's relatively inexpensive ( $200 US) and that it can be set up easily and will work well on our LAN. All of the machines except for one are running Debian, and the one that it will physically be connected to is running Debian. Any suggestions on a good choice? p.s. I've been intrigued by the new Lexmark 75XP PrinTrio that I've seen advertised that prints and scans and is a little over $100 US but I don't know anything about how well it works period or how well it works under Linux. If you're in the market for a laser, check out the Samsung ML-1430. This more than likely will be my new printer... about $200US, and good support under Linux. Dana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:10:14PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: | On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 17:37, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Alex Malinovich |([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | Any suggestions on a good choice? | | A used, ethernet-capable, postscript laserprinter. Possibly a higher | up-front cost, but generally higher performance, and better quality, as | well as far-lower operating costs, than inkjets. | | HPLJ4 or better should do you well. Used ~$300, but as noted the | operating costs are lower than inkjet ($40/cartridge or so). | | I would ardently concur - unless you must have colour, you are | financially well ahead to put out an extra few bucks up front for a | laser printer. A typical toner cartridge lasts 8-10 times the length of | service of a typical ink cartridge, runs faster, has fewer movements to | go wrong, and the typical printer tends to hold up longer I have a LJ IIIp (manufactured in 1993) still running well here. While it listed for around $1100 in production, I acquired it second-hand about 5 years ago. | many of the budget inkjets I've encountered have something critical | break by the second or third year, My dad's Canon BJC-610 is still functional here. It was purchased around 1995 or so for around $160 (IIRC). The manufacturer's Windows drivers predate win95 and samba (it doesn't work over smb). It may not be an typical case, though. | while laser printers have tended to still be strongly functional | after nearly a decade. Laser printers are designed for a much heavier duty cycle. Not only that, but laser printers produce higher quality prints. The black is really black (instead of a greyish almost-black) and has crisper edges. Even at 300 dpi (the limit of my printer, new ones have quadruple the resolution). A neat accessory for lower-end printers is a JetDirect box from HP or equivalent from NetGear. They provide an lpd-capable, smb-capable, and ipp-capable (varies with model and cost) ethernet interface and a parallel port on the other side. They are really handy for making a parallel port printer network-aware without running an entire general-purpose computer for it. They are a bit pricey, however. -D -- How to shoot yourself in the foot with Java: You find that Microsoft and Sun have released incompatible class libraries both implementing Gun objects. You then find that although there are plenty of feet objects implemented in the past in many other languages, you cannot get access to one. But seeing as Java is so cool, you don't care and go around shooting anything else you can find. (written by Mark Hammond) http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/ msg19584/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Printer Recommendations?
on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 11:57:50PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:10:14PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote: | On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 17:37, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 04:01:24PM -0600, Alex Malinovich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | Any suggestions on a good choice? | | A used, ethernet-capable, postscript laserprinter. Possibly a higher | up-front cost, but generally higher performance, and better quality, as | well as far-lower operating costs, than inkjets. | | HPLJ4 or better should do you well. Used ~$300, but as noted the | operating costs are lower than inkjet ($40/cartridge or so). | | I would ardently concur - unless you must have colour, you are | financially well ahead to put out an extra few bucks up front for a | laser printer. A typical toner cartridge lasts 8-10 times the length of | service of a typical ink cartridge, runs faster, has fewer movements to | go wrong, and the typical printer tends to hold up longer I have a LJ IIIp (manufactured in 1993) still running well here. While it listed for around $1100 in production, I acquired it second-hand about 5 years ago. ...and they double as room heaters. I wouldn't recommend an HPLJIII to anyone who doesn't have dedicated wiring for it, the draw on in dimmed the streetlights on my block. But it's a very solid piece of hardware. Suitable for an office or shop environment, if you can spare the juice. That's why I suggested an HPLJ4 or better. And yes, the JetDirect cards rock. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Comic tragedy: MobiliX sued by comix publisher over iX trademark http://mobilix.org/mobilix_asterix.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printer recommendations - Epson have wriiten Linux driver!
On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:44:35 -0500 D-Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:43:29PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: I haven't seen what it lists, but the HP DeskJet 6xx my roommate bought worked. You just *have* to get an Epson 680 or higher. Epson Japan has produced a Linux driver for it that gives the same print quality as you get from the Windows drivers. It is fabulous!! Never before have I seen such good quality from a colour printer on Linux! There is a gui tool for setting paper print quality etc. too. The driver works through your normal /etc/printcap so just slots in nicely. The web page for the driver is at: http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/pro_e/pips_e.html There is a readme accessible from the download page which explains how to set it all up. I downloaded the .rpm and installed that stright onto my debian box - for some reason, alien wouldn't convert it, but if you do 'rpm -i --nodeps whatever.rpm' it will install cleanly. -- Phillip Deackes Using Progeny Debian Linux
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Ethan Benson wrote: unless your a masochist stay AWAY from non-postscript printers. /rant Well, I have yet to find an affordable postscript printer that can process a page as fast as it can `print' them. I can easily wait 10 minutes for the expensive printer at work to process a graph, while the cheap Epson spits out the page quickly because it was processed by a PIII-866. Peter
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:43:29PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote: | On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:52:00AM -0800, Chad Maine wrote: | http://www.linuxprinting.org has collected stats on this subject. Should | give you a list of printers to choose from based on how well they work in | linux, if at all. Of course, any postscript printer will work perfectly. | | beware that linuxprinting.org lists some non-postscript inkjets as | `perfectly' supported, this is not entirely true as it may still be a | absolute *NIGHTMARE* to make one of these miserable things work. I haven't seen what it lists, but the HP DeskJet 6xx my roommate bought worked. (I don't remember the exact model, but it was a new one in the 600 series). I had PCL3 in it. I was on RH at the time, and had it printing just fine using printtool without any major difficulty. This was over samba (which I didn't know how to use). The most time was spent trying to get connected through samba since I had to figure out the linux side, then disabling his cheap win32 firewall. DON'T get a PPA printer. Those suck. My friend has one and it hasn't been pretty. (Printing Performance??? Architecture, no performance there!) A PCL printer is just fine (PCL5 and PCL3 from experience) and much faster than PostScript. -D
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http://www.linuxprinting.org has collected stats on this subject. Should give you a list of printers to choose from based on how well they work in linux, if at all. Of course, any postscript printer will work perfectly. -Original Message- From: D-Man [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:50 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Printer recommendations On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:17:55PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: | on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:26:36PM -0500, Alec Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | I'm faced with recommending a new printer for my parents as their old unit | is starting to show its age. The goal is to find something for $350 or | less which is Linux friendly since I'll also be using it. The printer will | be connected to the LAN through an old HP JetDirect EX. Right now we're | looking more towards a laser but I'd also be interested in inkjet | recommendations as well. | | | My recommendation is for a laserjet. Inkjets are slow, expensive to | run, and tend to be maintenance-happy. | | I just purchased a used HPLJ4m for about $380. The footprint's about | twice what the HPDJ6xxC was, but it prints about ten times faster, | literally, native postscript. If you have the space, an HPLJIIIx is | even less expensive, though I suspect you'll make up the difference on | power bills if it's on all the time. Ideal would be to rig up something | to power on the printer automajikally when needed. More modern LJs have | a built-in powersave option, the IIIs and 4s I looked at did not. | I have an old LJIIIp printer. It works quite well. I don't know how much they cost since I got this as a hand-me-down. It prints 300 dpi, 4ppm. Has PCL5 natively and a PS (Level 1) card with it. A few years back the LJ6l was the personal laserjet model. It had PCL builtin, 600 dpi, 6 ppm. I think it ran ~$400 new. I think the 1100 series has replaced the 6l series now. The Laserjet 5/6 M and friends did have a powersave feature with an instant-on fuser. Quite nice. 600 dpi, 8 ppm. Toner is quite cheap per-page and gives much better quality than inkjets for black. I would highly recommend getting a laser jet printer. I like them and have seen them give good performance. My particular model was manufactured in '92 and is still chugging along quite well. Models with built-in postscript interpreters are the best since PS is quite a standard format in *nix. Windows drives can deal with it. PCL (version 5 at least) is supported and in my experience usually prints faster. I had it set up to use PCL by default on a RH system using printtool. -D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:52:00AM -0800, Chad Maine wrote: http://www.linuxprinting.org has collected stats on this subject. Should give you a list of printers to choose from based on how well they work in linux, if at all. Of course, any postscript printer will work perfectly. beware that linuxprinting.org lists some non-postscript inkjets as `perfectly' supported, this is not entirely true as it may still be a absolute *NIGHTMARE* to make one of these miserable things work. one example is the Epson Color Stylus Photo 870. see my other mails about that. this printer does *NOT* work at all with debian's gs packages. recompiling your own is a non-trivial task. i got fed up and returned the damn thing and got a used Apple laserwriter off ebay (true real postscript support and tcp/ip networking to boot) unless your a masochist stay AWAY from non-postscript printers. /rant -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpOQTKHr0qvA.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 02:17:55PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: | on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:26:36PM -0500, Alec Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | I'm faced with recommending a new printer for my parents as their old unit | is starting to show its age. The goal is to find something for $350 or | less which is Linux friendly since I'll also be using it. The printer will | be connected to the LAN through an old HP JetDirect EX. Right now we're | looking more towards a laser but I'd also be interested in inkjet | recommendations as well. | | | My recommendation is for a laserjet. Inkjets are slow, expensive to | run, and tend to be maintenance-happy. | | I just purchased a used HPLJ4m for about $380. The footprint's about | twice what the HPDJ6xxC was, but it prints about ten times faster, | literally, native postscript. If you have the space, an HPLJIIIx is | even less expensive, though I suspect you'll make up the difference on | power bills if it's on all the time. Ideal would be to rig up something | to power on the printer automajikally when needed. More modern LJs have | a built-in powersave option, the IIIs and 4s I looked at did not. | I have an old LJIIIp printer. It works quite well. I don't know how much they cost since I got this as a hand-me-down. It prints 300 dpi, 4ppm. Has PCL5 natively and a PS (Level 1) card with it. A few years back the LJ6l was the personal laserjet model. It had PCL builtin, 600 dpi, 6 ppm. I think it ran ~$400 new. I think the 1100 series has replaced the 6l series now. The Laserjet 5/6 M and friends did have a powersave feature with an instant-on fuser. Quite nice. 600 dpi, 8 ppm. Toner is quite cheap per-page and gives much better quality than inkjets for black. I would highly recommend getting a laser jet printer. I like them and have seen them give good performance. My particular model was manufactured in '92 and is still chugging along quite well. Models with built-in postscript interpreters are the best since PS is quite a standard format in *nix. Windows drives can deal with it. PCL (version 5 at least) is supported and in my experience usually prints faster. I had it set up to use PCL by default on a RH system using printtool. -D
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on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:26:36PM -0500, Alec Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm faced with recommending a new printer for my parents as their old unit is starting to show its age. The goal is to find something for $350 or less which is Linux friendly since I'll also be using it. The printer will be connected to the LAN through an old HP JetDirect EX. Right now we're looking more towards a laser but I'd also be interested in inkjet recommendations as well. I had in mind to recommend the Lexmark Optra E312L as Egghead is offering it for $300. There is a straight E312 model which offers PostScript emulation, however its roughly $370 which may prove to be slightly over budget. Does anyone have experience with the E312L? As far as inkjets go, I generally like HPs. However, after finding out that a DeskJet 895Cse doesn't always work properly I'm not sure which are safe bets. I'm not looking for the ultra-cheap models as there's plenty of money to pay for a higher end model. My recommendation is for a laserjet. Inkjets are slow, expensive to run, and tend to be maintenance-happy. I just purchased a used HPLJ4m for about $380. The footprint's about twice what the HPDJ6xxC was, but it prints about ten times faster, literally, native postscript. If you have the space, an HPLJIIIx is even less expensive, though I suspect you'll make up the difference on power bills if it's on all the time. Ideal would be to rig up something to power on the printer automajikally when needed. More modern LJs have a built-in powersave option, the IIIs and 4s I looked at did not. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpxX4DOsRTew.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 07:56:33PM -0600, Bud Rogers wrote: On Monday 26 February 2001 19:36, Sean wrote: I would second the choice for a laser printer ... I believe they are often of better construction than inkjets, and the cost per page is significatnly less. Not to mention the benefit of not having all your printed type simply disappear into a blurry mess if the paper happens to get wet. Same here. A couple of years ago we bought an HP 680C inkjet so my wife to print color graphics. About a year ago I bought an HP 6L laser for grad school research papers. This year my wife used her Christmas money to buy another 6L and lugged the inkjet to the upstairs closet. She decided on her own that crisp monochrome was better than smudged color. And the cost per page is roughly an order of magnitude better. Again seconded! I use a LaserJet 6P and have had no problems with it over a number of years which, considering the number of howtos and man pages I print out is very impressive. I use CUPS here, even though I'm not on a LAN. I find that the printing speed is lower than with lpr, but it is far easier to change settings and to monitor the queue etc (full web interface). I'm not sure how CUPS would work with JetDirect, but I would definately recommend investigating this route as I find the software to be rock-solid. Matthew
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I would second the choice for a laser printer ... I believe they are often of better construction than inkjets, and the cost per page is significatnly less. Not to mention the benefit of not having all your printed type simply disappear into a blurry mess if the paper happens to get wet. Sean -- Look afar and see the end from the beginning.
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On Monday 26 February 2001 19:36, Sean wrote: I would second the choice for a laser printer ... I believe they are often of better construction than inkjets, and the cost per page is significatnly less. Not to mention the benefit of not having all your printed type simply disappear into a blurry mess if the paper happens to get wet. Same here. A couple of years ago we bought an HP 680C inkjet so my wife to print color graphics. About a year ago I bought an HP 6L laser for grad school research papers. This year my wife used her Christmas money to buy another 6L and lugged the inkjet to the upstairs closet. She decided on her own that crisp monochrome was better than smudged color. And the cost per page is roughly an order of magnitude better. -- Bud Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
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Alec Smith wrote: I'm faced with recommending a new printer for my parents as their old unit is starting to show its age. The goal is to find something for $350 or less which is Linux friendly since I'll also be using it. The printer will be connected to the LAN through an old HP JetDirect EX. Right now we're looking more towards a laser but I'd also be interested in inkjet recommendations as well. I had in mind to recommend the Lexmark Optra E312L as Egghead is offering it for $300. There is a straight E312 model which offers PostScript emulation, however its roughly $370 which may prove to be slightly over budget. Does anyone have experience with the E312L? As far as inkjets go, I generally like HPs. However, after finding out that a DeskJet 895Cse doesn't always work properly I'm not sure which are safe bets. I'm not looking for the ultra-cheap models as there's plenty of money to pay for a higher end model. Try www.linuxprinting.org for a database of linux supported printers and lots of good info. I only have experience with an Epson 860 inkjet which i set up with 'printtool'. It works fine for my home computer needs and prints everything i've asked it too. It was under a $100, but for text its only slightly less sharp than a laser. Of course the ink refills are expensive at about $18 for printing 400-500 text pages. But all things considered i am very satisfied with this inexpensive printer. -- LINUX~~nobody owns it~~everybody can use it~~anybody can improve it ~~~
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On Tuesday 27 February 2001 09:56, Bud Rogers wrote: On Monday 26 February 2001 19:36, Sean wrote: I would second the choice for a laser printer ... I believe they are often of better construction than inkjets, and the cost per page is significatnly less. Not to mention the benefit of not having all your printed type simply disappear into a blurry mess if the paper happens to get wet. Same here. A couple of years ago we bought an HP 680C inkjet so my wife to print color graphics. About a year ago I bought an HP 6L laser for grad school research papers. This year my wife used her Christmas money to buy another 6L and lugged the inkjet to the upstairs closet. She decided on her own that crisp monochrome was better than smudged color. And the cost per page is roughly an order of magnitude better. The Canon BJC 7000 series produces fairly water-resistant BW and color output. They use what is called P-POP technology (plain paper optimized printing) which pre-sprays the target paper with a clear ink optimizer liquid that effectively transforms plain paper into higher quality inkjet paper. (That's company literature for you) Note that even the output of the notorious Epson inkjets become water resistant when done on special ink jet paper. As for the other inkjets: HP and Lexmark inkjets produce water-proof black. The black ink is pigmented. So if you want waterproof prints, print in monochrome. My Lexmark 7000 printer is pretty fast. 8 ppm for 300dpi black text output. Resolution tops at a claimed 1200 dpi. Unless you're planning to reprint your version of War and Peace, I would settle for the lower cost inkjet. If it breaks, ditch it for another lower cost inkjet. BTW: Wet ink has one advantage over laser-fused toner. It tends to hold better against creases. Try folding or scratching a laser output.
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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:26:36PM -0500, Alec Smith wrote: I'm faced with recommending a new printer for my parents as their old unit is starting to show its age. The goal is to find something for $350 or less which is Linux friendly since I'll also be using it. The printer will be connected to the LAN through an old HP JetDirect EX. Right now we're looking more towards a laser but I'd also be interested in inkjet recommendations as well. I had in mind to recommend the Lexmark Optra E312L as Egghead is offering it for $300. There is a straight E312 model which offers PostScript emulation, however its roughly $370 which may prove to be slightly over budget. Does anyone have experience with the E312L? According to linuxprinting.org, another difference is that the E312L only ships with a half-full cartridge. This almost offsets the difference in cost. I have an E312 and am very pleased with it. Bob
