subject:"Re\: Query"

Re: Query

2022-02-08 Thread David Wright

On Mon 07 Feb 2022 at 18:08:41 (-0500), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 2/7/2022 4:36 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:31:51PM -0500, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:
> > > > I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> > > > and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)
> > > > 
> > > > The computer is
> > > > 
> > > >     Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
> > > >     memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
> > > >     IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
> > > >     Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
> > > >     Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> > > Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian
> > > desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with 
> > > such
> > > an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for old
> > > hardware.
> > Bah, silly.  Just use a traditional window manager instead of a bloated
> > Desktop Environment.  Problem solved.
> 
> Which windows manager for an extremely resource-limited system?

I had no difficulty running buster's fvwm on a Pentium III Coppermine
from 2000, until the PSU expired. 650MHz, and 512MB memory. Your
memory is probably more use that my speed. But 60GB might limit its
usefulness: my minitower would hold four PATA drives, and I have
three 500GB still left, and had a 200GB until it expired.

You have to have a reason to keep running it, of course. Mine was
that drive capacity, plus nostalgia: it was the desktop machine
I retained when I retired.

This run of "top" is from a modern system after a while reading
my email. To trigger fvwm into top place, I switched between
several of the open viewports. (Mutt is obviously sleeping.)

  PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

 2730 auser 20   0  373960  67100  36148 S   5.6   0.8   0:03.20 Xorg   

 2782 auser 20   0   84244  13084  11144 S   0.7   0.2   0:00.25 fvwm   

 2790 auser 20   0   81296  12360  10704 S   0.7   0.2   0:00.16 FvwmPager  

   10 root  20   0   0  0  0 I   0.3   0.0   0:00.15 rcu_sched  

  614 nobody20   05080   2820   2580 S   0.3   0.0   0:00.06 thd

1 root  20   0   22276  10304   7748 S   0.0   0.1   0:01.01 systemd

> Debian's wiki page on window managers lists more than 30
> possibilities. Its not silly to take a look at a distro based on
> Debian that is tailored for low resources as a starting point to try
> and build a Debian 11.2 system that will work OK on a Pentium III with
> less than 1 GB of memory. Debian provides so many packages, and such
> distros like antiX can give one an idea about which packages to use
> when trying to build a Debian 11.2 system that will work well on an
> older system with such a small amount of memory and such an old CPU.

I install all the software that I do on any other machine, I just
don't run it if the machine's not up to it. (It had the disk space
not to worry, of course.) So I wouldn't open libreoffice or firefox,
for example. Speed wasn't an issue (/home was encrypted), just memory,
even with 1GB swap (encrypted).

> > But the *real* problem will come when they try to run a web browser.  That's
> > where the truly massive memory demand is.
> > 
> > 756 MB is plenty of RAM for daily use of everything except a web browser.
> > 
> 
> Yes, it will be important to try to find a web browser that is the
> least bloated as possible. Again, looking at the browser choices of
> distros tailored for old hardware can help build a Debian 11.2 system
> that will work well on old hardware.

So that I could read email, I used lynx (with -localhost) for HTML.
Mind you, I do that on all my current machines too.

> In any case, it will need to be a carefully crafted selection of
> Debian 11.2 packages to have a decent experience, and most definitely
> start with a small netinst installation with only the text console to
> start, and then build the GUI environment carefully from the ground
> up.
> 
> Again, good luck to the OP in trying out Debian 11.2 on his system.

One exception: I do run firefox on a 1.5GHz 500MB laptop, which is
painful. When I installed bullseye, it took 3 minutes for FF to
display the (empty) startup page. But it's useful to have a system
with zero monetary worth that I could trash or lose without worrying
about it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Query

2022-02-08 Thread Linux-Fan


Chuck Zmudzinski writes:


On 2/7/2022 4:36 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:31:51PM -0500, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:

I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)

The computer is

    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
    Debian 6.0: Squeeze

Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian
desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with such
an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for old
hardware.

Bah, silly.  Just use a traditional window manager instead of a bloated
Desktop Environment.  Problem solved.


Which windows manager for an extremely resource-limited system? Debian's


One could use one of e.g. the following list:

- IceWM
- i3
- Fluxbox

All of them are packaged for Debian and work on low-resource computers. I  
have successfully deployed i3 on a system with similar specs to the OP's.  
Mine is still on Debian 10 and not upgraded to Debian 11 yet, though.


wiki page on window managers lists more than 30 possibilities. Its not silly  
to take a look at a distro based on Debian that is tailored for low  
resources as a starting point to try and build a Debian 11.2 system that  
will work OK on a Pentium III with less than 1 GB of memory. Debian provides


Of course, its a valid approach :)

so many packages, and such distros like antiX can give one an idea about  
which packages to use when trying to build a Debian 11.2 system that will  
work well on an older system with such a small amount of memory and such an  
old CPU.


The other option is to ask here for recommendations. Debian is one of the  
last large/mainstream distributions to still support i386 architecture hence  
it is not unlikely that some people will be running old hardware here (I do  
for instance :) ).



But the *real* problem will come when they try to run a web browser.  That's
where the truly massive memory demand is.

756 MB is plenty of RAM for daily use of everything except a web browser.


Yes, it will be important to try to find a web browser that is the least  
bloated as possible. Again, looking at the browser choices of distros  
tailored for old hardware can help build a Debian 11.2 system that will work  
well on old hardware.


Independent of the other distros one will need to do a compromise here  
because:


* Any browser supporting all the modern features (mostly JS and CSS3) will
  be too slow for such old a machine.

* Any other browser will be too limited in features to satisfy a modern
  user's needs. E.g. try to access Gmail or Youtube over any lightweight
  browser and see how it goes (I suspect it will not work _at all_!)

In any case, it will need to be a carefully crafted selection of Debian 11.2  
packages to have a decent experience, and most definitely start with a small  
netinst installation with only the text console to start, and then build the  
GUI environment carefully from the ground up.


On such an old system one should only install what is needed because any  
additional background service will reduce the already very limited  
computational capacity. Rather than crafting a set of applications it might  
be easier to start with the question what the machine is going to be used  
for and then figure out if this is even possible for the hardware and only  
afterwards check which applications will fit the purpose _and_ resource  
constraints.


E.g. I regularly run `maxima` as a "calculator" app. On an old machine it  
takes many seconds to run and to compute even simple expressions. Hence I  
switched to `sc-im` (a lightweight spreadsheet program) on old machines for  
such tasks.


HTH and YMMV
Linux-Fan

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Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Tim Woodall


On Mon, 7 Feb 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote:


On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:31:51PM -0500, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:

I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)

The computer is

?? Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
?? memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
?? IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
?? Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
?? Debian 6.0: Squeeze


Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian
desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with such
an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for old
hardware.


Bah, silly.  Just use a traditional window manager instead of a bloated
Desktop Environment.  Problem solved.

But the *real* problem will come when they try to run a web browser.  That's
where the truly massive memory demand is.

756 MB is plenty of RAM for daily use of everything except a web browser.



I successfully run Debian on a 701 eeepc although I'm still on buster
for now using xfce. It's slow but not unusable, even firefox. updates do
take a while, allow at least 4-6 hours per dist-upgrade.

I mostly now use a kindle fire for 'walkabout' vpn and ssh access but
every now and again when something wifi won't work I return to the eeepc
for its better logging and debugging tools.

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Tixy

On Mon, 2022-02-07 at 16:37 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
[...]
> > William Lee Valentine wrote:
> > > I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> > > and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a
> > > DVD.)
> > > 
> > > The computer is
> > > 
> > >    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
> > >    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
> > >    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
> > >    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
> > >    Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> > > 
[...]
> Anything pentium below "family 10" in its boot log, has no firmware 
> updates possible, and many have a halt bug that can only be recovered by 
> a powerdown reset. Dell makes pretty good stuff, but that is not 
> fixable. I would read its boot log very carefully. The OP would probably 
> be better off with a later off-lease machine with an i5 cpu, and 2Gigs of 
> ram or more, simply because there is firmware fixes for all known bugs. 
> Called microcode, the installer is smart enough to install the correct 
> one for those cpu's that can be updated.

Are you sure? The intel-microcode package is in the non-free section,
so I wouldn't expect this to be installed by the standard Debian
installer.

Also, touting the possibility of CPU bugs doesn't seem the most
compelling reason to upgrade upgrade hardware. The fact that it's a
1999 CPU with 768MB RAM and the tendency of software to bloat and
consume CPU and memory resources as time goes by should be enough. ;-)

-- 
Tixy

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski


On 2/7/2022 4:36 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:31:51PM -0500, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:

On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:

I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)

The computer is

    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
    Debian 6.0: Squeeze

Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian
desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with such
an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for old
hardware.

Bah, silly.  Just use a traditional window manager instead of a bloated
Desktop Environment.  Problem solved.


Which windows manager for an extremely resource-limited system? Debian's 
wiki page on window managers lists more than 30 possibilities. Its not 
silly to take a look at a distro based on Debian that is tailored for 
low resources as a starting point to try and build a Debian 11.2 system 
that will work OK on a Pentium III with less than 1 GB of memory. Debian 
provides so many packages, and such distros like antiX can give one an 
idea about which packages to use when trying to build a Debian 11.2 
system that will work well on an older system with such a small amount 
of memory and such an old CPU.




But the *real* problem will come when they try to run a web browser.  That's
where the truly massive memory demand is.

756 MB is plenty of RAM for daily use of everything except a web browser.



Yes, it will be important to try to find a web browser that is the least 
bloated as possible. Again, looking at the browser choices of distros 
tailored for old hardware can help build a Debian 11.2 system that will 
work well on old hardware.


In any case, it will need to be a carefully crafted selection of Debian 
11.2 packages to have a decent experience, and most definitely start 
with a small netinst installation with only the text console to start, 
and then build the GUI environment carefully from the ground up.


Again, good luck to the OP in trying out Debian 11.2 on his system.

Chuck

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread gene heskett

On Monday, February 7, 2022 11:22:11 AM EST Dan Ritter wrote:
> William Lee Valentine wrote:
> > I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> > and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a
> > DVD.)
> > 
> > The computer is
> > 
> >Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
> >memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
> >IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
> >Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
> >Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> > 
> > If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it
> > preserve the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?
> 
> I'm going to assume you already have squeeze installed.
> 
> You should be able to upgrade in place from 6 to 7 to 8 to 9 to
> 10 to 11. On a machine that old and slow, I suspect it would
> take one day per upgrade.
> 
> However, it should work.
> 
> If you can find a SATA interface card and a cheap SSD, it will
> improve performance immensely.
> 
> Depending on the part of the world you are in, you can probably
> find a much faster machine being given away or sold second-hand
> for under $100.
> 
> If this is your only machine, I recommend not upgrading it, but
> finding a new one if at all possible, then installing on the new
> one and transferring over data from the old one.
> 
> -dsr-

Anything pentium below "family 10" in its boot log, has no firmware 
updates possible, and many have a halt bug that can only be recovered by 
a powerdown reset.  Dell makes pretty good stuff, but that is not 
fixable. I would read its boot log very carefully. The OP would probably 
be better off with a later off-lease machine with an i5 cpu, and 2Gigs of 
ram or more, simply because there is firmware fixes for all known bugs. 
Called microcode, the installer is smart enough to install the correct 
one for those cpu's that can be updated.

If the squeeze data is to be preserved, copy it to a big thumb drive, do 
the install, and copy it back.

The previous comments about SSD's are very valid advice. They are 
blazingly fast,

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Greg Wooledge

On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 04:31:51PM -0500, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:
> > I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> > and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)
> > 
> > The computer is
> > 
> >    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
> >    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
> >    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
> >    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
> >    Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> 
> Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian
> desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with such
> an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for old
> hardware.

Bah, silly.  Just use a traditional window manager instead of a bloated
Desktop Environment.  Problem solved.

But the *real* problem will come when they try to run a web browser.  That's
where the truly massive memory demand is.

756 MB is plenty of RAM for daily use of everything except a web browser.

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski


On 2/7/2022 10:50 AM, William Lee Valentine wrote:

I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)

The computer is

   Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
   memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
   IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
   Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
   Debian 6.0: Squeeze


Based on what others are saying, it looks like a typical modern Debian 
desktop environment such as Gnome or Plasma KDE will not work well with 
such an old system. I suggest you look for a Distro that is tailored for 
old hardware. See, for example this page:


https://itsfoss.com/lightweight-linux-beginners/

A quick look at the 16 distros would make me try antiX-19 first:

http://download.tuxfamily.org/antix/docs-antiX-19/FAQ/index.html

and

https://antixlinux.com/blog/

It advertises support down to as low as Pentium II and uses Debian 
buster as the base. Perhaps a later version will be based on bullseye. 
Its 32-bit version does not need to use a pae kernel, and it is systemd 
free, and these are probably some of the hacks that are needed to keep 
such an old system working well with modern software.


There are also antiX 21 packages, but the blog page does not advertise 
version 21 as a release, perhaps it is a development or beta version 
based on bullseye.


Good luck,

Chuck



If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it preserve
the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?

I am not subscribed to this mailing list. I would appreciate advices.

-- William Lee Valentine

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:50:36 -0700
William Lee Valentine  wrote:

> I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a
> DVD.)

And have something usable? With the default GNOME desktop? Probably
not. With a lightweight desktop like XFCE? Maybe.  With a window
manager only? Better chance, but still iffy.  Main problem is lack of
RAM and slow CPU. You'll need the 32-bit version of Debian.

Here's a real example with equivalent hardware from around 2004 or 5:
1GHz Duron (PIII equivalent), 1 GB or so RAM, Fedora Core 6, GNOME
desktop.  My system at the time. After numerous upgrades from FC2,
system had become sluggish, particularly with menus -- a second or so
pause before appearing. I was able to get a usable system for another
year or so by a very custom install of Debian Wheezy. Started with a
terminal-only install, then added a minimal X with a window manager
(Openbox), a few utilities and lastly apps. However, I doubt if
Debian 11 would run well on it, even if you abandoned a desktop and
went with a window manager.

All you can do is try and see what happens. Good luck.

> The computer is
> 
>     Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
>     memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
>     IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
>     Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
>     Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> 
> If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it
> preserve the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater

On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 08:50:36AM -0700, William Lee Valentine wrote:
> I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)
> 
> The computer is
> 
>    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
>    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
>    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
>    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
>    Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> 

Debian 32 bit should run on this architecture: it will be slow - this 
is now a minimum of a 17 year old machine - the Pentium III Katmai
was discontinued in 2004.

> If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it preserve
> the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?
> 

It should run. By default, it is likely to overwrite the previous partition
layout and thus overwrite Squeeze. Squeeze is well and truly out of support
by now and security patches are unavailable: Please do not connect the
machine to the internet until you have brought it up to date / installed
an up to date Debian on the machine..

> I am not subscribed to this mailing list. I would appreciate advices.
> 
> -- William Lee Valentine
> 
All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
> 
> -- 
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> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
>

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Dan Ritter

William Lee Valentine wrote: 
> I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
> and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)
> 
> The computer is
> 
>    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
>    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
>    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
>    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
>    Debian 6.0: Squeeze
> 
> If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it preserve
> the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?

I'm going to assume you already have squeeze installed.

You should be able to upgrade in place from 6 to 7 to 8 to 9 to
10 to 11. On a machine that old and slow, I suspect it would
take one day per upgrade.

However, it should work.

If you can find a SATA interface card and a cheap SSD, it will
improve performance immensely.

Depending on the part of the world you are in, you can probably
find a much faster machine being given away or sold second-hand
for under $100.

If this is your only machine, I recommend not upgrading it, but
finding a new one if at all possible, then installing on the new
one and transferring over data from the old one.

-dsr-

Re: Query

2022-02-07 Thread Bijan Soleymani


On 2022-02-07 10:50, William Lee Valentine wrote:

I am wondering whether a current Debian distribution can be installed
and run on an older Pentium III computer. (I have Debian 11.2 on a DVD.)

The computer is

    Dell Dimension XPS T500: Intel Pentium III processor (Katnai)
    memory: 756 megabytes, running at 500 megahertz
    IDE disc drive: 60 gigabytes
    Debian partition: currently 42 gigabytes
    Debian 6.0: Squeeze

If I install Debian 11.2, will it run on this machine? Will it preserve
the files and directories that I have on Squeeze?


My main worry would be performance if you use GUI applications. I don't 
know what apps you use, but browsers and desktop environments have 
probably gotten real greedy in terms of RAM since Squeeze and <1 GB is a 
very small amount of RAM these days.



I am not subscribed to this mailing list. I would appreciate advices.


I have BCC'd you but please follow your thread on the archives (or via 
one of the news relays):


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/02/threads.html
and
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/02/msg00187.html

Bijan

Re: Query regarding Debian 9.9 (stretch)

2020-12-11 Thread deloptes

didier gaumet wrote:

> By default Stretch seems too ancient to support your chip and you would
> need is install both the kernel and the firmware from Backports to support
> it

In any case the OP is asking also if this is on the installer, which it is
obviously not.
So th answer to actually both questions is NO.

Re: Query regarding Debian 9.9 (stretch)

2020-12-11 Thread didier gaumet

Le vendredi 11 décembre 2020 à 10:30:06 UTC+1, Pratiek N a écrit :
> Hello Team,
> 
> Greetings for the day!
> 
> I need your help regarding a query about Debian 9.9
> 
> Please help me understand if Intel Wi-Fi Module AC9260 supports Debian 9.9 ?
> 
> If it is supported then is the wifi driver part of the inbox driver for 
> Debian 9.9 iso?
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 
> Regards,
> Pratiek N

Hello,

This is a user list, there is no Debian support team.

According to (1) AC9260 is supported by a Li,nux kernel from 4.14 on.
According to (2) Strecth has a 4.09 kernel but there is a 4.19 Backports kernel 
available.
According to (3) there is also a firmware for this chip in the Backports repo

By default Stretch seems too ancient to support your chip and you would need is 
install both the kernel and   
the firmware from Backports to support it

(1) 
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/05511/network-and-i-o/wireless.html
(2) 
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=all=any=names=linux-image-amd64
(3) 
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all=all=any=names=iwlwifi

If you do not know how to use Backports, there is a page in the wiki:
 https://wiki.debian.org/Backports

Re: Query regarding Debian 9.9 (stretch)

2020-12-11 Thread tomas

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 02:42:38PM +0530, Pratiek N wrote:
> Hello Team,
> 
> Greetings for the day!
> 
> I need your help regarding a query about Debian 9.9
> 
> Please help me understand if Intel  Wi-Fi Module AC9260 supports Debian 9.9
> ?
> 
> If it is supported then is the wifi driver part of the inbox driver for
> Debian 9.9 iso?

I can't vouch for it firsthand, but at least there seems to be firmware
for it -- at least this seems promising:

  tomas@trotzki:~$ apt-file search -x "firmware.*9260"
  firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9260-th-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode
  firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9260-th-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
  firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9260-th-b0-jf-b0-41.ucode
  firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-9260-th-b0-jf-b0-46.ucode

But perhaps someone else is using that hardware right
now.

Good luck
 - t


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Re: Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-09 Thread _ nenu

On Tue 08 Sep 2020 at 14:29:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

> > i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is 
> > word session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from 
> > existing session.
> 
> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:
> 
> https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/
> 
> Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.
> 
> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the
> ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One
> advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows
> at the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.

> You should be able to copy-and-paste between virtual terminals (or
virtual consoles) too. Agreed, you can't see them both at the same
time, 

> and another disadvantage is that whenever you switch consoles,
the lines of output above the top of the screen can no longer be
reached by scrolling up.

thanks for heads up.

_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-09 Thread David Wright

On Tue 08 Sep 2020 at 14:29:02 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

> > i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is 
> > word session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from 
> > existing session.
> 
> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:
> 
> https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/
> 
> Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.
> 
> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the
> ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One
> advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows
> at the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.

You should be able to copy-and-paste between virtual terminals (or
virtual consoles) too. Agreed, you can't see them both at the same
time, and another disadvantage is that whenever you switch consoles,
the lines of output above the top of the screen can no longer be
reached by scrolling up.

Cheers,
David.

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-09 Thread nenu crok

>  i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

just now i found correct words: delta update - on android or express updates 
-on windows. do we have similar option ?

> you can purchase Debian DVDs and have them sent to you in the mail

where can i find more info about debian dvd contents.

> the important thing is to choose a mail storage format that supports that.

> Maildir is the most useful. Any program that supports Maildir should also 
> support multiple sessions.

i will check which package supports.

> By "seti', do you mean:
> https://seti.org/
> I do not understand how mail and SETI are related (?). Please clarify.

there is no relation between both of them. i dont want to miss my important 
emails while using or checking other work.

> You should only run two instances of any program if that program is designed 
> for concurrent operation. Otherwise, the two instances could both write to 
> the same file, losing or corrupting data.

thank you for heads up. i will prepare a list of packages and ask package 
coders about it or search package help manual.

> Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the ability 
> to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.

i am trying to avoid accidental closing or quitting package.

> That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:

i will do more research about "virtual terminals".

> I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is always 
> set: 2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~ # grep 'no-install-recommends' 
> .profile* .profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'

> You may wish to add this to your apt configuration file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf 
> or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; 
> That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as well as 
> apt, should you decide to use one of those.

i have added excellent suggestion to my must to-do list.

regards,
_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread David Christensen


On 2020-09-08 15:04, Charles Curley wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:48:03 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:


I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is
always set:

2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
# grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
.profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'


You may wish to add this to your apt configuration
file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";

That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as
well as apt, should you decide to use one of those.


Interesting possibility.  Thanks for the suggestion.  :-)


David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread Charles Curley

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:48:03 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:

> I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is 
> always set:
> 
> 2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
> # grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
> .profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'

You may wish to add this to your apt configuration
file(s), /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*, instead, like so:

APT::Install-Recommends "false";

That should apply to apt-get, (I believe) aptitude, and synaptic, as
well as apt, should you decide to use one of those.

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Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread David Christensen


On 2020-09-08 03:45, nenu crok wrote:

hello debian users,


Hello.  :-)



after bit of research, i have decided to install debian. it is rock solid.

i have few queries. please be simple. english is not my native language.

i assumed kernel is most important for system security. do we have tweaked 
kernel packages. i dont mind a little of sluggishness or loss of performance.


Understand that Debian "stable" implies older kernels and software, 
which can be a double-edged sword with respect to "security".



i am privacy freak, hence not using android. 


I have not heard of privacy problems with the base Debian installation.


But, it is possible to have your privacy compromised on any platform by 
installing privacy-violating software, plug-in's, etc., and/or by using 
privacy-violating Internet services.




however, after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to 
download only small portion. i have overheard aboout similar option in our os 
debian. this is must, only metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i 
am specifically interested about disadvantages compared to full package or 
normal update or upgrade.


Consider purchasing a set of installation discs or an installation USB 
flash drive.



Study your package installation tool to see how you can control what 
packages get downloaded and why.  With sufficient effort, you should be 
able to limit downloads to only security patches.  (This could be as 
simple as only including security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list).



to me email is important. i have decided to contribute bit similar to seti. 


By "seti', do you mean:

https://seti.org/


I do not understand how mail and SETI are related (?).  Please clarify.


can i run mail in two terminals. 


You should only run two instances of any program if that program is 
designed for concurrent operation.  Otherwise, the two instances could 
both write to the same file, losing or corrupting data.




i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 option to start new session. is word 
session correct ? by jumping using above option will log out from existing 
session.


That sounds like the Linux "virtual terminals" feature:

https://www.linux.org/threads/virtual-terminals.4135/

Switching between virtual terminals does not log you out.


Most graphical environments support a "terminal" application and the 
ability to run multiple programs inside windows on your screen.  One 
advantage over virtual terminals is that you can see multiple windows at 
the same time, and can copy-and-paste information between them.



David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread David Christensen


On 2020-09-08 10:27, Marko Randjelovic wrote:

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:


i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i have 
overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only metered 
ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested about 
disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.


You can download only parts of libreoffice that you need, e.g.

apt install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Also, you can use --no-install-recommends option:

apt-get --no-install-recommends install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc


+1


I added an alias to my .profile so that --no-install-recommends is 
always set:


2020-09-08 13:45:56 root@tinkywinky ~
# grep 'no-install-recommends' .profile*
.profile:alias apt-get='apt-get --no-install-recommends'


David

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread Marko Randjelovic

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

You can download only parts of libreoffice that you need, e.g.

apt install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Also, you can use --no-install-recommends option:

apt-get --no-install-recommends install libreoffice-writer libreoffice-calc

Regards,
Marko

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread riveravaldez

On 9/8/20, nenu crok  wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
> nenu crok  wrote:
>
>> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
>> download only small portion.
>
>> Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

I always recommend AbiWord: it's not just much more small and
lightweight but also much more simple to use.

The same goes for GNUmeric.

Only thing I couldn't find still is an alternative to Impress...

Best luck.

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread nenu crok

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
> download only small portion.

> Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

i will certainly consider your suggestion.

_ nenu

Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread Charles Curley

On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:45:41 +
nenu crok  wrote:

> after seeing size of libreoffice, is there any way an option to
> download only small portion.

Consider other office software instead: ABIword, gnumeric, etc.

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Re: query about kernel, download options, sessions

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Ritter

nenu crok wrote: 
> i have few queries. please be simple. english is not my native language.

That's true for lots of people here. 

> i assumed kernel is most important for system security. do we have tweaked 
> kernel packages. i dont mind a little of sluggishness or loss of performance.

The kernel is updated regularly, and the debian-security team is
generally on top of things. You should subscribe to
debian-security-announce 

> i am privacy freak, hence not using android. however, after seeing size of 
> libreoffice, is there any way an option to download only small portion. i 
> have overheard aboout similar option in our os debian. this is must, only 
> metered ethernet or wifi connections in my area. i am specifically interested 
> about disadvantages compared to full package or normal update or upgrade.

Options:

LibreOffice is about 600MB if you don't choose all the language
packs and dictionaries. There are 179 component packages, but
you only need a few.

- you can download packages to a USB stick at a library or
  university or internet cafe, then take them home and install
  them.

- you can purchase Debian DVDs and have them sent to you in the
  mail

> to me email is important. i have decided to contribute bit similar to seti. 
> can i run mail in two terminals. i have read somewhere using ctrl alt f2 
> option to start new session. is word session correct ? by jumping using above 
> option will log out from existing session.

ctrl-alt-F1 through F6 are usually set up as independent virtual
terminals. Changing to one or another should not log you out of
the one you were in, but only offer you a chance to log in to a
new one.

If you want to run mail in 2 sessions at the same time, the
important thing is to choose a mail storage format that supports
that. Maildir is the most useful. Any program that supports
Maildir should also support multiple sessions.

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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-23 Thread Bob Proulx

Bret Busby wrote:
 And, with Debian 6 LTS, in /etc/apt/sources.list, I have, apart from
 the commented out lines,
 
 deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
 deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free

I am only commenting for the archive to confirm that those should be
good.  Here are references for those reading later and wish to check
for updated information.

  https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

  https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using

Bob


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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-22 Thread Bob Proulx

Bret Busby wrote:
 ... so, upon checking (using Synaptic) the tzdata package(s), and
 finding they needed updating, apparently without depending on the
 kernel update(s), I have now updated the tzdata packages. There are
 tzdata and tzdata-java, both of which had updates available.

The tzdata package is updated through the stable-updates section, not
to be confused with the security stable/updates section.  They are
similarly named but different update channels.  The stable-updates
path is the one time named volatile section for those that remember
it.  It is for updates that by their nature must update more often
than the Debian Stable release and point release cycle.

Packages such as tzdata are updated when governments change the
timezones.  This happens outside of distribution release cycles.

For Debian Stable Jessie 8 the following shows all three sets of
sources that one should have in their sources.list in order to get all
of the updates they should be getting.[*] This is the main archive
where most packages exist, the updates source for packages such as
tzdata, and the security source for security upgrades.

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

Bob

[*] Note that httpredir.debian.org is the redirector and the same as
if one had the geographic alias ftp.XX.debian.org where XX is your
country code such as ftp.us.debian.org.  Either is okay.  I am using
the redirector in the documentation above so that it is generic.  If
you have the country code alias version that is fine too.


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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-22 Thread Bret Busby

On 23/05/2015, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
... so, upon checking (using Synaptic) the tzdata package(s), and
finding they needed updating, apparently without depending on the
kernel update(s), I have now updated the tzdata packages. There are
tzdata and tzdata-java, both of which had updates available.

The tzdata package is updated through the stable-updates section, not
to be confused with the security stable/updates section. They are
similarly named but different update channels. The stable-updates
path is the one time named volatile section for those that remember
it. It is for updates that by their nature must update more often
than the Debian Stable release and point release cycle.

Packages such as tzdata are updated when governments change the
timezones. This happens outside of distribution release cycles.

For Debian Stable Jessie 8 the following shows all three sets of
sources that one should have in their sources.list in order to get all
of the updates they should be getting.[*] This is the main archive
where most packages exist, the updates source for packages such as
tzdata, and the security source for security upgrades.

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie main

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main
deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main

deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

And, with Debian 6 LTS, in /etc/apt/sources.list, I have, apart from
the commented out lines,

deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free

deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free

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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-21 Thread Bob Proulx

Iain M Conochie wrote:
 Bret Busby wrote:
 I have today seen the news report below, and wonder whether it needs
 some kind of patch for Debian Linux, and, if so, whether it has
 already been done, or is pending.
 
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882#87

Good to see that Debian has already implemented the patches through
Debian Squeeze LTS.

A reasonably good summary and description of the leapsecond issues
appears in the up-voted answer posted here:

  
http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-during-a-leap-second

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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-21 Thread Iain M Conochie




On 21/05/15 09:45, Bret Busby wrote:

Hello.

I have posted this message to the general Debian Users list, rather
than to only the LTS list, as, whilst my interest is limited to Debian
6 LTS, I believe that, if the issue involving any possible problem,
applies, then it would likely apply to all existing versions of Debian
Linux in use.

I have today seen the news report below, and wonder whether it needs
some kind of patch for Debian Linux, and, if so, whether it has
already been done, or is pending.


snip

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882#87

Iain


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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-21 Thread Iain M Conochie




On 21/05/15 22:15, Bob Proulx wrote:

Iain M Conochie wrote:

Bret Busby wrote:

I have today seen the news report below, and wonder whether it needs
some kind of patch for Debian Linux, and, if so, whether it has
already been done, or is pending.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882#87

Good to see that Debian has already implemented the patches through
Debian Squeeze LTS.
To be fair, this was implemented when squeeze was still stable, as 
according to the below link Wheezy was officially released over 7 months 
after this fix


https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/



A reasonably good summary and description of the leapsecond issues
appears in the up-voted answer posted here:

   
http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-during-a-leap-second

Bob
Nice one Bob. This link also points out this was an issue with the NTP 
server software (although it seemed in 2012 the main issue was with the 
kernel)



Bret

 You may want to also check your version of NTP (if you are running the 
software). You may also want to check your version of the tzdata package 
if you are *not* running NTP. This should be 2015d-0+deb6u1


Iain



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Re: Query about possible impact of leap second on Debian Linux

2015-05-21 Thread Bret Busby

On 22/05/2015, Iain M Conochie i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote:

On 21/05/15 22:15, Bob Proulx wrote:
Iain M Conochie wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
I have today seen the news report below, and wonder whether it needs
some kind of patch for Debian Linux, and, if so, whether it has
already been done, or is pending.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679882#87
Good to see that Debian has already implemented the patches through
Debian Squeeze LTS.
To be fair, this was implemented when squeeze was still stable, as
according to the below link Wheezy was officially released over 7 months
after this fix

https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/

A reasonably good summary and description of the leapsecond issues
appears in the up-voted answer posted here:

http://serverfault.com/questions/403732/anyone-else-experiencing-high-rates-of-linux-server-crashes-during-a-leap-second

Bob
Nice one Bob. This link also points out this was an issue with the NTP
server software (although it seemed in 2012 the main issue was with the
kernel)

Bret

You may want to also check your version of NTP (if you are running the
software). You may also want to check your version of the tzdata package
if you are *not* running NTP. This should be 2015d-0+deb6u1

Iain

Hello.

Thank you for that, Iain.

Due to some of my web browsers not having the capability to save
sessions, and with them having multiple windows open, and with kernel
updates requiring a system reboot, each time, this system has not been
updated for a little while, so, upon checking (using Synaptic) the
tzdata package(s), and finding they needed updating, apparently
without depending on the kernel update(s), I have now updated the
tzdata packages. There are tzdata and tzdata-java, both of which had
updates available.

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Re: Query about GRUB comand line functionality

2015-02-25 Thread Brian

On Wed 25 Feb 2015 at 16:55:07 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

 My query is this; given the specified version of GRUB, and, given that
 the computer does not have an operable operating system, does the GRUB
 command line that is present, have the functionality of being able to
 mount (and then, later, to unmount) a USB thumb drive, and then create
 a file on the thumb drive, and, from a start point to an end point,
 write all commands entered, and the respective output responses, so as
 to be able to save to the file, text that can be conveyed to a mailing
 list, showing exactly what commands are entered, and the response for
 each command entered, for seeking a solution to restore and repair the
 system?

No.


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Re: Query: Deprecated libsystemd0 items, initramfs-1.18 bugs

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Du, 07 dec 14, 18:51:53, David Baron wrote:
 On Sunday 07 December 2014 13:30:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
  On Du, 07 dec 14, 12:52:06, David Baron wrote:
  
   2. 1.18 has been the current intramf-tools version for quite a while and
   several serious or worse bugs are open.
  
  And the question is?
 
 Is 1.18 safe to upgrade or wait and play it safe?

Works for me, but then I have a pretty simple setup (only /home and swap 
on separate partitions, no LVM or MD, standard kernels, etc.)

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Re: Query: Deprecated libsystemd0 items, initramfs-1.18 bugs

2014-12-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Du, 07 dec 14, 12:52:06, David Baron wrote:
 1. I noticed that several of these are listed as deprecated. What replaces 
 them or are they used at all? (Do not want to risk and unbootable, or 
 unloginable [SIC] system by simply removing them :-)

I'm guessing you mean libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-login0, etc.

As per the package description, their functionality has been integrated 
in libsystemd0, so it is safe to remove them (I don't have them 
installed).

As a general trick, that should work on any package: mark them as 
automatically installed and use autoremove

apt-mark auto libsystemd-daemon0
apt-get --purge autoremove
 
 2. 1.18 has been the current intramf-tools version for quite a while and 
 several serious or worse bugs are open. 

And the question is?

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Re: Query: Deprecated libsystemd0 items, initramfs-1.18 bugs

2014-12-07 Thread David Baron

On Sunday 07 December 2014 13:30:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Du, 07 dec 14, 12:52:06, David Baron wrote:
  1. I noticed that several of these are listed as deprecated. What replaces
  them or are they used at all? (Do not want to risk and unbootable, or
  unloginable [SIC] system by simply removing them :-)
 
 I'm guessing you mean libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-login0, etc.
 
 As per the package description, their functionality has been integrated
 in libsystemd0, so it is safe to remove them (I don't have them
 installed).

So will remove them
 
  2. 1.18 has been the current intramf-tools version for quite a while and
  several serious or worse bugs are open.
 
 And the question is?

Is 1.18 safe to upgrade or wait and play it safe?


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Re: Query: Deprecated libsystemd0 items, initramfs-1.18 bugs

2014-12-07 Thread Sven Hartge

David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote:
 On Sunday 07 December 2014 13:30:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Du, 07 dec 14, 12:52:06, David Baron wrote:

 2. 1.18 has been the current intramf-tools version for quite a while
 and several serious or worse bugs are open.
 
 And the question is?

 Is 1.18 safe to upgrade or wait and play it safe?

If you have /usr on a different MD or LV than /, you should stick with
0.116.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-20 Thread lee

B lazyvi...@gmx.com writes:

 On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:53:50 +0200
 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:

 Have you actually tested (with hot-pluggable disks) what happens when
 one of the partitions the system is swapping to suddenly becomes
 unavailable or difficult to access and what happens when the data (on
 one of the swap-partitions) becomes corrupted?

 Not recently, I had a swap disk failure 2 times, 15 years ago,
 I found the machine completely stucked, ~12-13 years ago,
 processes were killed and the machine was still running.

Huh? It was stuck but running?

How do you suppose that, when a disk to which the system has swapped out
the contents of emacs' buffers you've been working on fails, the system
shall obtain this data so that you can save your changes before shutting
down the system to replace the failed disk?  (And don't say use
hot-pluggable disks.)


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