Re: Really stupid mutt question
Am 2006-08-02 09:29:13, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West: > the power of debian never ceases to amaze me. You could automatically > start the classic pr0n background music too... he he. folder-hook .Girlfriend '`rplay some_nice_music.ogg`set' Tested and it works... ;-) Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
Kevin Coyner wrote: > There are plenty of great email clients out there. But I like mutt > because: Yes, there are -- and just not to let this thread be just mutt propaganda, let me comment as a KMail user (who used mutt for many years, so I know what I am talking about): > 1. It is infinitely configurable. KMail may not be inifinetly configurable, but I was able to replicate my pretty complicated mutt settings with it, and the result is much more maintainable (because some brutal hacks -- like pre-processing messages with procmail -- could be isolated to just few places, and the rest is obvious). > 2. I don't have to use a mouse. I can keep my hands on the > keyboard the entire time. The same. > 3. It is easy to use via ssh, which I do all the time. And > while you can use a GUI based email client remotely, the further > away you get from the server, the slower things become. Not > really a problem using ssh/mutt. OK, I would have to do ssh -X and the result wouldn't be the same, so this is a point against mutt. But I can love without it pretty happily. > 4. It handles news groups just fine with threads. The same. > There are pluses and minuses for all the email clients out there, > whether GUI or CLI. It really comes down to what you are > comfortable with. Amen. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3, (617) 876-1259, ICQ 132822213 He has the attention span of a lightning bolt. -- Robert Redford -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote: >> 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [snip] > I use mutt because its fast. I can ssh to my mail from anywhere > and its just like being there. I don't get distracted by deciding > where to put each new little window that pops up. It does one > thing and does it REALLY well. Its infinitely flexible. Its > really not hard to learn the basics in just a few minutes. It > handles the large volume of mail from a list like this with ease. > want more? And when X barfs, you still have email. Presuming that you use IMAP as your message store, instead of MUA-specific mbox directories. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE0NZoS9HxQb37XmcRAoG/AJ0RmKc+lwxhcs3ZHUnXRKeKhewdqACffcy+ apzwQRL16X+qwp26a8+MPhc= =GSlL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:41:47AM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:59:34AM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote.. > > > > > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure > > > >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used > > > >GMail instead.) > > > > > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt > > > when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's > > > so complex and difficult to remeber the binds. > > > > > > There are plenty of great email clients out there. But I like mutt > > because: > > > > 1. It is infinitely configurable. > > Now, of course, I have the mad urge to configure it to dim the light > in the living room when I get mail from my girlfriend. Which would > actually be doable with some X10 hardware and a matching command > line tool. This is trouble. the power of debian never ceases to amaze me. You could automatically start the classic pr0n background music too... he he. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote: > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out > >how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail > >instead.) > > > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when > many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex > and difficult to remeber the binds. > just adding my .02 to the others I use mutt because its fast. I can ssh to my mail from anywhere and its just like being there. I don't get distracted by deciding where to put each new little window that pops up. It does one thing and does it REALLY well. Its infinitely flexible. Its really not hard to learn the basics in just a few minutes. It handles the large volume of mail from a list like this with ease. want more? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:59:34AM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote.. > > > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure > > >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used > > >GMail instead.) > > > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt > > when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's > > so complex and difficult to remeber the binds. > > > There are plenty of great email clients out there. But I like mutt > because: > > 1. It is infinitely configurable. Now, of course, I have the mad urge to configure it to dim the light in the living room when I get mail from my girlfriend. Which would actually be doable with some X10 hardware and a matching command line tool. This is trouble. --j signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote.. > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure > >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used > >GMail instead.) > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt > when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's > so complex and difficult to remeber the binds. There are plenty of great email clients out there. But I like mutt because: 1. It is infinitely configurable. 2. I don't have to use a mouse. I can keep my hands on the keyboard the entire time. 3. It is easy to use via ssh, which I do all the time. And while you can use a GUI based email client remotely, the further away you get from the server, the slower things become. Not really a problem using ssh/mutt. 4. It handles news groups just fine with threads. There are pluses and minuses for all the email clients out there, whether GUI or CLI. It really comes down to what you are comfortable with. Kevin -- Kevin Coyner GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 http://rustybear.com/publickey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On (02/08/06 22:40), JerryKwok wrote: > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out > >how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail > >instead.) > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when > many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex > and difficult to remeber the binds. Mutt is a steepish learning curve but well worth the effort, particularly if you are subscribed to high volume lists. It is far quicker to get through lots of messages than using a gui. The key is to get the .muttrc file in your home directory setup. I took an example a long time ago and adapted it over time as I learned more. Look in /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples I used Christopher Sharp's muttrc from: http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php?app_id=27 It is also worth getting to grips with vim and using that as your mutt editing environment. ViIMproved is a good book. Again it is a steep learning curve but worth the effort. Some people prefer emacs but I've never really got into it ... vim was a challenge enough :) Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote: [...] > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when > many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex > and difficult to remeber the binds. For me, the answers are: - Running Evolution over ssh is excruciatingly slow. - Once you have learnt your key bindings, you can get things done much faster than in evolution. - Mutt is much more customizable than Evolution, including the option to pipe mail through external programs & such. I also believe that Mutt is more standards compliant when it comes to handling GPG/PGP signed and/or encrypted mail, but don't quote me on that one. Just my two cents --j signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Really stupid mutt question
2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail instead.) This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex and difficult to remeber the binds. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
2006/7/30, Jan C. Nordholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I would like to know what is the magic key I need > > to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get > > rid of the postponed message menu)? > > Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option: > > set postpone = ask-yes > > If it is not there, then insert it. If it is there, then change it > to ask-yes. that should be the "recall" option, not "postpone". The latter is for postponing more messages, the former for recalling them. > Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want > to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new > message. Or you might even set it to "no", which disables recalling postponed messages from the 'm' (compose) function altogether. To manually recall one, there's still the 'R' command. Thanks to all that replied. Specifying recall=ask-yes in my ~/.muttrc did the trick. I think what blinded me to the obvious solution is my tendency to grep the fine manual (rather than read it through), and mutt's use of such "non-standard" terms as "postpone" (instead of "Save Draft", etc). -- Albert Einstein: Phantasie ist wichtiger als Wissen, denn Wissen ist begrenzt. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote: > The problem: how do I write a message in Mutt *without* invoking the > postponed message menu first? Tell it not to ask you, then. Seems rather pointless to support postponed messages and not use them, though. Read the description of the 'recall' option in the fine documentation. -- Marc Wilson | The two most common things in the Universe are [EMAIL PROTECTED] | hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote: > I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out > how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail > instead.) > > The problem: how do I write a message in Mutt *without* invoking the > postponed message menu first? > > It seems that every time I press "m" for "compose a new mail message" > I get thrown to a list of over 1000 messages. It took me quite some > time to figure out that these are the draft messages saved by the six > other mail clients I use (sylpheed-claws, wanderlust, etc). > > Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important or > confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a new > message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need to press > to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get rid of the > postponed message menu)? > I use Mutt. When I have postponed messages, and press 'm', I get a question at the bottom of the window: "Recall postponed message?" with suggested answers 'yes' and 'no'. If I don't want to dispose of the postponed messages, I answer 'n' and I can continue with composing a new message. If you don't get the Recall... question there is a config issue in you Mutt. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Really stupid mutt question
> > Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important > > or confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a > > new message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need > > to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get > > rid of the postponed message menu)? > > Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option: > > set postpone = ask-yes > > If it is not there, then insert it. If it is there, then change it > to ask-yes. Hi, that should be the "recall" option, not "postpone". The latter is for postponing more messages, the former for recalling them. > Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want > to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new > message. Or you might even set it to "no", which disables recalling postponed messages from the 'm' (compose) function altogether. To manually recall one, there's still the 'R' command. Regards, Jan signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Really stupid mutt question
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote.. > Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important > or confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a > new message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need > to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get > rid of the postponed message menu)? Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option: set postpone = ask-yes If it is not there, then insert it. If it is there, then change it to ask-yes. Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new message. Kevin -- Kevin Coyner GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 http://rustybear.com/publickey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
