Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-02 09:29:13, schrieb Andrew Sackville-West:

> the power of debian never ceases to amaze me. You could automatically
> start the classic pr0n background music too... he he.

folder-hook .Girlfriend '`rplay some_nice_music.ogg`set'

Tested and it works...  ;-)

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Matej Cepl
Kevin Coyner wrote:
> There are plenty of great email clients out there.  But I like mutt
> because:

Yes, there are -- and just not to let this thread be just mutt propaganda,
let me comment as a KMail user (who used mutt for many years, so I know
what I am talking about):

> 1. It is infinitely configurable.

KMail may not be inifinetly configurable, but I was able to replicate my
pretty complicated mutt settings with it, and the result is much more
maintainable (because some brutal hacks -- like pre-processing messages
with procmail -- could be isolated to just few places, and the rest is
obvious).

> 2.  I don't have to use a mouse.  I can keep my hands on the
> keyboard the entire time.

The same.

> 3.  It is easy to use via ssh, which I do all the time.  And
> while you can use a GUI based email client remotely, the further
> away you get from the server, the slower things become.  Not
> really a problem using ssh/mutt.

OK, I would have to do ssh -X and the result wouldn't be the same, so this
is a point against mutt. But I can love without it pretty happily.

> 4.  It handles news groups just fine with threads.

The same.

> There are pluses and minuses for all the email clients out there,
> whether GUI or CLI.  It really comes down to what you are
> comfortable with.

Amen.

Matěj

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Ron Johnson
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote:
>> 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip]
> I use mutt because its fast. I can ssh to my mail from anywhere
> and its just like being there. I don't get distracted by deciding
> where to put each new little window that pops up. It does one
> thing and does it REALLY well. Its infinitely flexible. Its
> really not hard to learn the basics in just a few minutes. It
> handles the large volume of mail from a list like this with ease.
> want more?

And when X barfs, you still have email.

Presuming that you use IMAP as your message store, instead of
MUA-specific mbox directories.

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:41:47AM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:59:34AM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote..
> > 
> > > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure
> > > >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used
> > > >GMail instead.)
> > > 
> > > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt
> > > when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's
> > > so complex and difficult to remeber the binds.
> > 
> > 
> > There are plenty of great email clients out there.  But I like mutt
> > because:
> > 
> > 1. It is infinitely configurable.
> 
> Now, of course, I have the mad urge to configure it to dim the light
> in the living room when I get mail from my girlfriend. Which would
> actually be doable with some X10 hardware and a matching command
> line tool. This is trouble.

the power of debian never ceases to amaze me. You could automatically
start the classic pr0n background music too... he he.

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote:
> 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out
> >how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail
> >instead.)
> 
> 
> 
> This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when
> many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex
> and difficult to remeber the binds.
> 

just adding my .02 to the others

I use mutt because its fast. I can ssh to my mail from anywhere and
its just like being there. I don't get distracted by deciding where
to put each new little window that pops up. It does one thing and does
it REALLY well. Its infinitely flexible. Its really not hard to learn
the basics in just a few minutes. It handles the large volume of mail
from a list like this with ease. want more?

A





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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:59:34AM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote..
> 
> > 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure
> > >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used
> > >GMail instead.)
> > 
> > This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt
> > when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's
> > so complex and difficult to remeber the binds.
> 
> 
> There are plenty of great email clients out there.  But I like mutt
> because:
> 
> 1. It is infinitely configurable.

Now, of course, I have the mad urge to configure it to dim the light
in the living room when I get mail from my girlfriend. Which would
actually be doable with some X10 hardware and a matching command
line tool. This is trouble.

 --j


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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Kevin Coyner


On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote..

> 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure
> >out how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used
> >GMail instead.)
> 
> This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt
> when many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's
> so complex and difficult to remeber the binds.


There are plenty of great email clients out there.  But I like mutt
because:

1. It is infinitely configurable.

2.  I don't have to use a mouse.  I can keep my hands on the
keyboard the entire time.

3.  It is easy to use via ssh, which I do all the time.  And
while you can use a GUI based email client remotely, the further
away you get from the server, the slower things become.  Not
really a problem using ssh/mutt.

4.  It handles news groups just fine with threads.

There are pluses and minuses for all the email clients out there,
whether GUI or CLI.  It really comes down to what you are
comfortable with.

Kevin

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Clive Menzies
On (02/08/06 22:40), JerryKwok wrote:
> 2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out
> >how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail
> >instead.)
> 
> This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when
> many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex
> and difficult to remeber the binds.

Mutt is a steepish learning curve but well worth the effort,
particularly if you are subscribed to high volume lists.  It is far
quicker to get through lots of messages than using a gui.

The key is to get the .muttrc file in your home directory setup.  I took
an example a long time ago and adapted it over time as I learned more.

Look in /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples

I used Christopher Sharp's muttrc from:
http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php?app_id=27

It is also worth getting to grips with vim and using that as your mutt
editing environment.  ViIMproved is a good book. Again it is a steep
learning curve but worth the effort.  Some people prefer emacs but I've
never really got into it ... vim was a challenge enough :)

Regards

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread Juergen Fiedler
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:40:08PM +0800, JerryKwok wrote:
[...]
> This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when
> many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex
> and difficult to remeber the binds.

For me, the answers are:
 - Running Evolution over ssh is excruciatingly slow.
 - Once you have learnt your key bindings, you can get things done
much faster than in evolution.
 - Mutt is much more customizable than Evolution, including the option
to pipe mail through external programs & such.

I also believe that Mutt is more standards compliant when it comes to
handling GPG/PGP signed and/or encrypted mail, but don't quote me on
that one.

Just my two cents
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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-08-02 Thread JerryKwok

2006/7/31, Heimdall Midgard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out
how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail
instead.)




This has been a question to me for a long time.Why do we use mutt when
many other better manager(evolution) especially when mutt's so complex
and difficult to remeber the binds.


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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-07-30 Thread Heimdall Midgard

2006/7/30, Jan C. Nordholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > I would like to know what is the magic key I need
> > to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get
> > rid of the postponed message menu)?
>
> Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option:
>
> set postpone = ask-yes
>
> If it is not there, then insert it.  If it is there, then change it
> to ask-yes.

that should be the "recall" option, not "postpone". The latter is for
postponing more messages, the former for recalling them.

> Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want
> to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new
> message.

Or you might even set it to "no", which disables recalling postponed
messages from the 'm' (compose) function altogether. To manually
recall one, there's still the 'R' command.


Thanks to all that replied. Specifying recall=ask-yes in my ~/.muttrc
did the trick. I think what blinded me to the obvious solution is my
tendency to grep the fine manual (rather than read it through), and
mutt's use of such "non-standard" terms as "postpone" (instead of
"Save Draft", etc).

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-07-30 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote:
> The problem: how do I write a message in Mutt *without* invoking the
> postponed message menu first?

Tell it not to ask you, then.  Seems rather pointless to support postponed
messages and not use them, though.

Read the description of the 'recall' option in the fine documentation.

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-07-30 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote:
> I've been banging my head for the past six hours trying to figure out
> how to write a message in Mutt. (So I've given up and used GMail
> instead.)
> 
> The problem: how do I write a message in Mutt *without* invoking the
> postponed message menu first?
> 
> It seems that every time I press "m" for "compose a new mail message"
> I get thrown to a list of over 1000 messages. It took me quite some
> time to figure out that these are the draft messages saved by the six
> other mail clients I use (sylpheed-claws, wanderlust, etc).
> 
> Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important or
> confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a new
> message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need to press
> to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get rid of the
> postponed message menu)?
> 

I use Mutt. When I have postponed messages, and press 'm', I get a question
at the bottom of the window: "Recall postponed message?" with suggested
answers 'yes' and 'no'. If I don't want to dispose of the postponed messages,
I answer 'n' and I can continue with composing a new message. If you don't
get the Recall... question there is a config issue in you Mutt. 

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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-07-30 Thread Jan C. Nordholz
> > Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important
> > or confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a
> > new message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need
> > to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get
> > rid of the postponed message menu)?
> 
> Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option:
> 
> set postpone = ask-yes
> 
> If it is not there, then insert it.  If it is there, then change it
> to ask-yes.

Hi,

that should be the "recall" option, not "postpone". The latter is for
postponing more messages, the former for recalling them.

> Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want
> to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new
> message.

Or you might even set it to "no", which disables recalling postponed
messages from the 'm' (compose) function altogether. To manually
recall one, there's still the 'R' command.


Regards,

Jan


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Re: Really stupid mutt question

2006-07-30 Thread Kevin Coyner


On Sun, Jul 30, 2006 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Heimdall Midgard wrote..

> Now deleting 1000 messages, which may or may not contain important
> or confidential data, is to me a less than optimal way to write a
> new message. So I would like to know what is the magic key I need
> to press to compose a *really* new message (i.e. to bypass or get
> rid of the postponed message menu)?



Go to /home/you/.muttrc and check for this config option:

set postpone = ask-yes

If it is not there, then insert it.  If it is there, then change it
to ask-yes.

Now next time you compose (m) an email it will ask you if you want
to recall the postponed messages or just go directly to the new
message.

Kevin

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