Re: new to debian
> See here for detailed explanation: > > https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList I added five lines, thanks Karthik! Sincerely, Byung-Hee
Re: new to debian
On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 4:15 PM 황병희 wrote: > Hellow~ > > Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye > udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook). > > Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. > > My question is: > Is this canonical way? > > #+BEGIN_SRC: sh > soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list > deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main > soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ > #+END_SRC > > That is only one line. > > Are you asking that one line is enough?. If you're then, yeah that one > line is enough for main repository binary packages > If you need updates(security and point releases) ,sources and non-free > packages you need an extra line > See here for detailed explanation: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: >>> emerge --pretend -vuDN world >>> results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies >>> that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I >>> usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at >>> least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises. >> apt-get -s dist-upgrade > Um... it looks like this actually performs the update? > I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet. > That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short > version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')... man apt-get: , | -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act | No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur but do not actually change | the system. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Simulate. ` Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6ac63kdmm...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
#!/bin/sh
# At least once a day update the index package lists and download
# pending upgrades.
{
apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y &&
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
} 2>&1 | mailx -s "apt download output" root
exit 0
cool! thanks
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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On 01/14/2014 12:05 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: emerge --pretend -vuDN world results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises. apt-get -s dist-upgrade Um... it looks like this actually performs the update? I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet. That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')... are there man pages in gentoo :) ? man apt-get -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act No action; perform a simulation of events that would occur but do not actually change the system. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Simulate. Simulated runs performed as a user will automatically deactivate locking (Debug::NoLocking), and if the option APT::Get::Show-User-Simulation-Note is set (as it is by default) a notice will also be displayed indicating that this is only a simulation. Runs performed as root do not trigger either NoLocking or the notice - superusers should know what they are doing without further warnings from apt-get. Simulated runs print out a series of lines, each representing a dpkg operation: configure (Conf), remove (Remv) or unpack (Inst). Square brackets indicate broken packages, and empty square brackets indicate breaks that are of no consequence (rare). Regards, Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d51b22.4020...@biotec.tu-dresden.de
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On 2014-01-03 9:18 AM, Sven Hartge wrote: emerge --pretend -vuDN world results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises. apt-get -s dist-upgrade Um... it looks like this actually performs the update? I want to see what updates would be applied, but NOT apply them yet. That is what the --pretend flag in gentoo does (actually the short version is 'emerge -pvuDN world')... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52d51a17.4050...@libertytrek.org
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2014-01-05 01:43, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote: >>> The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to >>> installed. >> >> i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell >> you what it is going to install before doing it anyway. You need >> the -s for one package, because if you have only asked for one >> package it otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it. > > I've always looked on it as; if you didn't ask for a particular > package to be installed then it won't do it without your > permission. > Indeed. I prefer aptitude to apt-get (and I'm assuming their behaviour regarding installing packages not requested is the same -- correct me if I'm wrong). When installing the packages you requested does not result in more packages being installed, it just installs them; otherwise it prompts. And aptitude has the -P option to always prompt. @Tanstaafl: Also, the -s option simulates the installation of packages (dry run, like --pretend w/ emerge). But if you use aptitude -P, you get a prompt you can cancel. Also, aptitude safe-upgrade/full-upgrade always prompts before upgrading. Also, aptitude has a TUI (and minesweeper), but no super cow powers (apt-get moo vs aptitude moo). The FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html. The Reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations. The Wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Apt. The handbook: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool. Also, the apt-get and aptitude man pages are pretty comprehensive. And then there's also dpkg, dpkg-reconfigure, apt-cache, apt-file, apt-show-versions, apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, apt-rdepends, update-alteratives, apt_preferences, debconf, etc. Enjoy. - - Felix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSzJ/+AAoJELIY/ywn/GzGGfAQAMLxzT/CVxbl1kpQLi92b7JU F2KuvDXtPQ7QxNq8w4e/p4Lva+xclKbTfniySvz6gx83/TC5ow1DybBjBWdcBzmv aFeX2DJ+6an2yXsP1Xq6dEpi3Fd2H+Hk9xru74c6J+b37DcfS+rc42hArjO1vFa8 WIoa1VwBxKD3X3asgdT23BUTezV1yOg51Bgh4GEwwEZoy/BUXy71e0ymaQZlT+4V i5XZd0BG5vF/xg5vEeofvNjSpSXE0QaTFqhpJsoZ2Vv+MHvj64XR6fqHG23BwPJD tfKHOqz9IPNAZXkjZ4oLT/oqAL/lfaVRjA0Mpohfgc4nJpwgIraIcjqaM8t51Vw4 MS45mz6JaH7sBIZjJEsmdjqKVssTjd2Q9fTeb9oMRiRxvf9xPR2OVyd256hnzvDc aZpJABNgiQEumFtvRoPGkzXjgud7cYltN1OCeAwE/pYc0rEAi6+plJG/ruDHRYWK tGSqytQhBoLs77XUjjkuLaUuhdqdBfqAeiB/d3bluIPQs3ulaoPToVkqJmD41iIw sULp1zXyaVCHTjrnUaZf8f8PLfPQ/HEFB9iRf3vwQz9w4fQCaVhjZ4g8dJWYbIKC +8cmkUkXgqmIZ8D2+ZJfqKoYtM4WaeK/BCpL9bgX6En9H6n/lGPfRBd/TecQe+M4 GLMRLz2+/pNXnc+LZWq+ =wGim -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52cca008.3060...@obfusk.org
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On 1/6/14, Bob Proulx wrote: > Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> > Tanstaafl wrote: >> >> # The primary network interface ... >> >> network ###.###.###.### >> >> broadcast ###.###.###.### >> > >> > Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces >> > file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5). >> > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are >> > calculated from address and netmask ;) >> >> Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to >> 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks >> such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts. > > I think you have misread "network" as "netmask". The "netmask" is Ack. My bad :) Thank you for spotting that. Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caosgnst6wlokjfjm-elzrxswkgrytqnzyen4ravrx1wfafo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 04:29:59PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y && > apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y > > > > Some fun details that may spark some ideas... Wow! Thanks Bob, some interesting stuff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140105230735.GA3518@jessie.gatewire
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Tanstaafl wrote: > >> # The primary network interface > >> #allow-hotplug eth0 > >> auto eth0 > >> iface eth0 inet static > >> address ###.###.###.### > >> gateway ###.###.###.### > >> netmask 255.255.255.0 > >> network ###.###.###.### > >> broadcast ###.###.###.### > > > > Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces > > file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5). > > > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are > > calculated from address and netmask ;) > > Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to > 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks > such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts. I think you have misread "network" as "netmask". The "netmask" is needed. If the netmask is specified then the "network" and "broadcast" are not. The program can calculate network and broadcast from the network setting. So set only the network and let the other two be calculated by the program. It used to be that the debian-installer would create those network and broadcast entries as examples. This was because there were documentation examples showing how all of the options were used. This inadvertently caused people reading the documentation to think that all of those options were needed. They weren't. Those examples have been removed and the d-i no longer creates those entries. Starting a couple of years ago there has been a push to clean these up so that they are no longer distributing such examples. Here is a reference: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630551 And so now seeing "network" and "broadcast" in the file triggers a motherly cleanup response. It is dirty. It needs to be cleaned! :-) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On Du, 05 ian 14, 23:47:32, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are > > calculated from address and netmask ;) > > Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to > 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks > such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts. I admit my knowledge is quite sketchy in this area, but this just doesn't make sense to me. Could you provide a more concrete example of address/netmask and resulting network/broadcast? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On 1/5/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 03 ian 14, 07:29:52, Tanstaafl wrote: >> # The primary network interface >> #allow-hotplug eth0 >> auto eth0 >> iface eth0 inet static >> address ###.###.###.### >> gateway ###.###.###.### >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network ###.###.###.### >> broadcast ###.###.###.### > > Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces > file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5). > 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are > calculated from address and netmask ;) Actually not. Some home adsl modems and routers these days default to 172.XX.. and 10. subnets, and Debian (Linux kernel?) chooses networks such as 255.255.0.0 and 255.0.0.0 and correspondingly for broadcasts. I always set these to a .../24 version, or occasionally I've even set them less (to a smaller subnet) eg /28 > 4. If you prefer to keep all network settings in one file you could > install the package 'resolvconf' and add a 'dns-nameservers' line (no, > the 's' is not a typo, since you can add more of them, separated by > spaces). Agreed. I find this very convenient. Only caveat to manually applied DNS servers is that if your DNS is otherwise provided by your ISP, and they change their DNS ip address (has happened to me occasionally) then obviously the manually assigned addresses must be updated. Best Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQdgOfGhVtpr0Ta-jC4yG1Z90N=cxsm8e3nj1tuh2f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On Vi, 03 ian 14, 07:29:52, Tanstaafl wrote: > > # The primary network interface > #allow-hotplug eth0 > auto eth0 > iface eth0 inet static > address ###.###.###.### > gateway ###.###.###.### > netmask 255.255.255.0 > network ###.###.###.### > broadcast ###.###.###.### Since you already fixed your issue I'll just comment on your interfaces file. BTW, there is a man page for it: interfaces(5). 1. Do you have a specific reason for using 'auto' instead of 'allow-hotplug'? I doubt you'll see any difference in practice. 2. Indenting makes your file easier to read, e.g. iface eth0 inet static address ... gateway ... netmask ... 3. it's safe to get rid of 'network' and 'broadcast', they are calculated from address and netmask ;) 4. If you prefer to keep all network settings in one file you could install the package 'resolvconf' and add a 'dns-nameservers' line (no, the 's' is not a typo, since you can add more of them, separated by spaces). This is additional complexity for a machine with a static address that rarely changes, but I thought you should be aware of the possibility. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote: > > The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed. > > i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell you > what it is going to install before doing it anyway. You need the -s > for one package, because if you have only asked for one package it > otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it. I've always looked on it as; if you didn't ask for a particular package to be installed then it won't do it without your permission. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140105004317.GC16538@tal
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 09:50:59AM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 17:21:40 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: > > > > > > You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also > > > available on the web at > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. > > > > It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete. > > What a strange observation, Did you have anything in particular in mind? > Osamu Aoki is assiduous in keeping the manual current and I'm sure he > would welcome constructive proposals to improve it. My mistake. I had been looking at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals and most of those are marked as obsolete/deprecated, so I made the assumption that... Sorry. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 17:21:40 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: > > > > You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also > > available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. > > It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete. What a strange observation, Did you have anything in particular in mind? Osamu Aoki is assiduous in keeping the manual current and I'm sure he would welcome constructive proposals to improve it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/04012014094517.2d9827a1e...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
2014-01-03 14:44 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta: > In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates are > available, so a process like: > > eix-sync > to synchronizes the local repo with the online one > > eix packagename > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they reside > in (stable, testing, etc) > > emerge --pretend -vuDN world > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies > that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I > usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at > least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises. For regularly checking updates I use the cron-apt package, actually it does almost the same as you wish. I configured it to check the updates (apt-get update), download but not install the updated packages (apt-get -d dist-upgrade). If there is packages to be updated it sends a mail with the packagenames to be updated. -- --- Friczy --- 'Death is not a bug, it's a feature' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c7c8ce.7050...@freemail.hu
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
John Hasler wrote: > Sven Hartge writes: >> Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely >> get any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security >> updates and major bug fixes via point releases about every two >> months: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases > Don't wait for the point releases. You should have security in your > sources, subscribe to the security list, and do updates as required to > get security fixes. Yes, my wording was misleading. I should not try to write technical English after being awake for more than 30 hours ... Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1aba9g3a9...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Carl Johnson wrote: > Tanstaafl writes: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in > > Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. > ... > > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? > > You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also > available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. It looks like most/all this stuff is obsolete. -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor Strangelove Key ID 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Brian wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
> > eix packagename
> > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they
> > reside in (stable, testing, etc)
>
>apt-cache
Typo: apt-cache show
> and
>apt-cache policy
>
> > emerge --pretend -vuDN world
> > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any
> > dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and
> > choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been
> > available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid
> > nasty surprises.
>
>apt-get upgrade -s
>
> or
>
>apt-get dist-upgrade -s
>
> The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed.
I find that using "apt-get dist-upgrade -d -y" to be useful too. It
doesn't install anything but downloads the packages that will be
installed. It tells me what will be installed while also doing useful
work.
I have a crontab in cron daily so that when I manually install these
then everything is ready and fast and I don't have to wait on the
download part to happen.
apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y &&
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
Some fun details that may spark some ideas...
I have a lot of systems to maintain. Therefore I automate as much as
I can to make things happen for me. I have the following in
/etc/cron.daily/apt-dist-upgrade-download file:
#!/bin/sh
# At least once a day update the index package lists and download
# pending upgrades.
{
apt-get -q update && apt-get -q autoclean && apt-get -q upgrade -d -y &&
apt-get -q dist-upgrade -d -y
} 2>&1 | mailx -s "apt download output" root
exit 0
The above does not install anything. But it does update the apt index
files (aka Packages) daily and it automatically downloads the packages
so that things are ready to go when I come to them later.
And it always sends an email from the machine. This is a heartbeat
for me to keep track of the machine. If I don't get the email then I
know something is wrong. So I have cron that looks for missing email.
If you are using procmail it is convenient to have procmail filter out
mail that says nothing needs to be done. Nothing needs to be done if
the mail says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
upgraded." File those off into a folder per machine.
:0HB
* ^Subject: Cron
* ^/etc/cron.daily/apt-get-update-download:
* ^0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
machines/example/
:0HBc
* ^Subject: Cron
* ^/etc/cron.daily/apt-get-update-download:
machines/example/
Then I check that folder by cron. If I don't have a new message then
I know the machine did not email me and I have to go check it. If
there is a problem I can check the history in the appropriate mailbox.
#!/bin/sh
# Use the daily mail as a keepalive.
if [ $(find $HOME/Mail/machines/example -type f -cmin -1440 -print | wc -l)
-eq 0 ]; then
echo "example failed to email us recently"
fi
# Prune older messages.
find $HOME/Mail/machines/example -type f -mtime +30 -delete
exit 0
The above is for one single machine "example". I didn't show the
expanded parameterized versions for any machine because that is not as
clear what is happening. But you get the idea. Always automate as
much as possible. :-)
Bob
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Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Friday 03 January 2014 14:16:34 Brian wrote: > The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed. i.e., if you are requesting more than one package, it will tell you what it is going to install before doing it anyway. You need the -s for one package, because if you have only asked for one package it otherwise just goes right ahead and installs it. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201401032231.35523.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: >> emerge --pretend -vuDN world Welcome to another former gentoo hand. If you have X running: I'm pretty sure, though have never used it, that there is a little tool on you desktop menus somewhere. With a name like `Software updates', probably under system tools or some such. I think that tool will show what is to be installed without installing it. If you want to install them you have to indicate so... I think. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwjc92h0@newsguy.com
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Tanstaafl writes: > Hello all, > > I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in > Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. ... > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? You might want to look into the debian-reference package. It is also available on the web at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ob3tgexq.fsf@oak.localnet
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 08:44:49AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hello all, > > I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in > Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. > > I've read man apt-get, but didn't find answers to these questions. > What I'm looking for is the equivalent commands in debian to achieve > the same things. > > In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates > are available, so a process like: > > eix-sync > to synchronizes the local repo with the online one > > eix packagename > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they > reside in (stable, testing, etc) > > emerge --pretend -vuDN world > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any > dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and > choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been > available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid > nasty surprises. > > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? > > Thanks > apt-get install debian-handbook That should sort many of your questions :) AndyC > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c6bed1.2010...@libertytrek.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140103163352.ga4...@galactic.demon.co.uk
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 08:44:49 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. eix-sync to synchronizes the local repo with the online one Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8). "The Debian System, Concepts and Techniques" by Martin Krafft, (http://debiansystem.info/) to be a pretty good reference to how things are organized in Debian. Probably the most comprehensive writeup on Debian package management that I've seen, and some good sections on system admin as well. Might be a little dated though (2005) - things have changed a bit. You might want to browse through http://www.debian.org/doc/books -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c6cea4.8020...@meetinghouse.net
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Sven Hartge writes: > Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely get > any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security updates > and major bug fixes via point releases about every two months: > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases Don't wait for the point releases. You should have security in your sources, subscribe to the security list, and do updates as required to get security fixes. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txdl87hx@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 08:44:49 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > I have some questions about how to do certain maintenance tasks in > Debian that I do routinely in gentoo. > > eix-sync > to synchronizes the local repo with the online one apt-get update > eix packagename > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they > reside in (stable, testing, etc) apt-cache and apt-cache policy > emerge --pretend -vuDN world > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any > dependencies that would be installed, which I can then pick and > choose from. I usually wait until newly available updates have been > available for at least a few days before installing them, to avoid > nasty surprises. apt-get upgrade -s or apt-get dist-upgrade -s The '-s' can be omitted if more than one package is to installed. > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140103141633.gm5...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: New to Debian (Gentoo user) - package management
Tanstaafl wrote: > In gentoo, I routinely perform pretend updates to see what updates are > available, so a process like: Depending on which version of Debian you installed, you will rarely get any updates at all. Wheezy (7.x) is stable and only get security updates and major bug fixes via point releases about every two months: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases Only Testing and Unstable receive daily updates. If you use Testing or Unstable, I advise you to install the packages apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs. > eix-sync > to synchronizes the local repo with the online one apt-get update > eix packagename > shows all available versions of that package, and what repo they reside > in (stable, testing, etc) apt-cache show or apt-cache policy > emerge --pretend -vuDN world > results in a list of all available updates, as well as any dependencies > that would be installed, which I can then pick and choose from. I > usually wait until newly available updates have been available for at > least a few days before installing them, to avoid nasty surprises. apt-get -s dist-upgrade If you want to upgrade only a subset of packages, just use apt-get install [ ...] > Is there a decent manual describing basic maintenance tasks like this? You may want to start reading at https://wiki.debian.org/SystemAdministration Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0ab959da9...@mids.svenhartge.de
SOLVED: Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On 2014-01-03 8:43 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 07:29:52 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Since I've configured eth0 for a static IP, why are these DHCP requests even happening? I've looked in /etc/init.d and don't see anything about a DHCP client. And most importantly, how do I stop them? I know I could probably uninstall DHCP client, but that doesn't seem like the proper solution. You could start by taking a look at the thread at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00434.html Perfect, thanks... googling didn't reveal that thread... :( Since I hadn't cp'd my original /etc/network/interfaces file (so I couldn't do the 'ifdown -i /etc/network/interfaces.bak eth0' part, I just found/killed the running dhcp client process. Seems to have taken care of it. Thx again -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52c6c0d9.8070...@libertytrek.org
Re: New to Debian (I'm a Gentoo user) - static IP vs DHCP
On Fri 03 Jan 2014 at 07:29:52 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > Since I've configured eth0 for a static IP, why are these DHCP > requests even happening? I've looked in /etc/init.d and don't see > anything about a DHCP client. And most importantly, how do I stop > them? I know I could probably uninstall DHCP client, but that > doesn't seem like the proper solution. You could start by taking a look at the thread at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg00434.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140103134325.gl5...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:37:27PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote: > I'm in Windows right now for my iPhone... SO slow, that last blank E-mail was > a Windows freeze issue. That message alone will get you quite a bit of help. :)_ -- "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100608133749.gf18...@fischer
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
Sorry... I messed up! I thought I had made a disk with the full install... I made another copy of the net install. I've got it working. Now for getting my wireless working. I'll start another thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/173342.2134...@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Fwd: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
- Forwarded message from ABSDoug - Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: ABSDoug To: Alexander Batischev Subject: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far) --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Alexander Batischev wrote: > How did you try to install Gnome? Did you check "Install > Desktop Environment" > in tasksel (this menu which appears on installation time)? > Or did you installed > basic system (with no DE or WM, without xorg at all) and > then try to run > aptitude install gnome? Please provide more information. > > > That's where I'm at so far. > Btw, you don't need to start new thread each time you > response. Keep whole > discussion in one thread, please - it's easier to follow > (or not-follow) > and manage/search, then. I don't rememeber getting any options like we're talking about. Lemme try it aogain. I'll report back exactly what I did. - End forwarded message - P.S. ABSDoug, please check whom you respond to: it's not catastrophic if you replied to me - I'll simply forward message to list - but it's considered as bad taste. --- Regards, Alexander Batischev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100607230251.gc23...@speedy
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:37:27PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote: > Javier, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! & yes I'm subscribed... > don't know why I didn't get the orginal replys to my original post, but I am > now. Did you read manual I mentioned before? Anyone can write to debian-user, but only subsribers can receive mails sent to list by others. So when others replied to your post, subscribers received that answers, but you didn't. Somebody CC'ed you (sent you a copy) when replying - that way you get some responses. Now you're subscribed and get all the answers You also will get all the mails sent to other threads in this list, too (I do not know are you familiar enough with mailing lists to know that, so I think I should mention it so you won't be confused when your mailbox be flooded by dozens of mails per day). If you didn't receive some replies, don't worry - there are online archive of all the mails sent to list. You can find it here[1] - scoll down to Archives, choose month and year and go reading! Good luck with Debian! 1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ --- Regards, Alexander Batischev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100607225826.gb23...@speedy
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:13 PM, ABSDoug wrote: > 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the > Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At > the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done > now if necessary. > > 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI, > no go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome. > > That's where I'm at so far. TIA. > The dvd installer includes Gnome in the installation unless you tell it not too, maybe your installation didn't work correctly? Have you md5 checksummed your dvd download? Mark
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
I'm in Windows right now for my iPhone... SO slow, that last blank E-mail was a Windows freeze issue. Javier, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! & yes I'm subscribed... don't know why I didn't get the orginal replys to my original post, but I am now. --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Javier Barroso wrote: See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg00396.html and reply our questions >From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome Regards, PD: I'm CCing you, but if you are subscripted I shouldn't do it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/608295.58025...@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Javier Barroso wrote: From: Javier Barroso Subject: Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far) To: "ABSDoug" Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:25 PM On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:13 AM, ABSDoug wrote: 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done now if necessary. 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI, no go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome. That's where I'm at so far. TIA. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg00396.html and reply our questions >From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome Regards, PD: I'm CCing you, but if you are subscripted I shouldn't do it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/797443.54281...@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
Hi, On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 03:13:11PM -0700, ABSDoug wrote: > 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the Internet" > (debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At the time > I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done now if > necessary. On which hardware do you try to install it? I don't know how to get wifi to work on installation if it's not working out of box, so I'm simply curious. > 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Good idea, as far as you don't have Internet connection on installation time. > Tried to run GUI, no go. You mean graphic installer? If it doesn't work, try text mode - I assure you, it isn't hard! > Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome. How did you try to install Gnome? Did you check "Install Desktop Environment" in tasksel (this menu which appears on installation time)? Or did you installed basic system (with no DE or WM, without xorg at all) and then try to run aptitude install gnome? Please provide more information. > That's where I'm at so far. Btw, you don't need to start new thread each time you response. Keep whole discussion in one thread, please - it's easier to follow (or not-follow) and manage/search, then. --- Regards, Alexander Batischev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100607222958.ga23...@speedy
Re: New to Debian (what I've done so far)
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:13 AM, ABSDoug wrote: > 1st, tried to do "Installing Debian GNU/Linux via the > Internet"(debian-504-i386-netinst.iso) but could not connect to wireless. At > the time I did not have physical access to the router, but that can be done > now if necessary. > > 2nd, tried the big DVD image (debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso). Tried to run GUI, > no go. Tried to install Gnome & got E: coundn't find package Gnome. > > That's where I'm at so far. TIA. > See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/06/msg00396.html and reply our questions >From DVD you can install an desktop standard which include gnome Regards, PD: I'm CCing you, but if you are subscripted I shouldn't do it
Re: New to Debian
On 2009-12-03, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote: > > 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just > download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows > most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and, > once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the > window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if > deleted. see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html The KDE CD for installing Lenny works well. The page gives other options. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New to Debian
Miguel writes:
> Am thinking on making a new installation to findout how to use the
> expert mode, perhaps in such way I will be able to make a more
> detailed installation that allows me to choose LILO too...
You are overthinking this. Just install the lilo package ("apt-get
install lilo"), read the docs, and follow instructions. No need to
reinstall.
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Re: New to Debian
Hi Rob I did what you say but the installer does not give a LILO option, it only warns that the system will not boot without GRUB and forced me to choose YES... Am thinking on making a new installation to findout how to use the expert mode, perhaps in such way I will be able to make a more detailed installation that allows me to choose LILO too... Thanks for your response. Take care, Miguel >> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better >> and >> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without >> breaking some kind of dependence? >> > When the installer asks if you want to install GRUB, I think you can say > "no" or "cancel" and you will get an option to install LILO. If you > want to install LILO after your installation, you can do that too. > > -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New to Debian
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote: > Hello > > I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a > mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, however I have some > doubts and need to complete my configuration to keep working while > learning to use this new distro, so these are my current doubts: > > 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start > automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop > X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple > text consoles, and start X11 manually when required? > I'd use sysv-rc-conf to disable gdm in runlevel 2 (the default runlevel) > 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just > download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows > most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and, > once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the > window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if > deleted. > Try using the netinst CD. By hitting one of the Function keys at boot time, you can find out how to specify KDE as your GUI environment. Gnome is the default (as you've discovered). > 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I > prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if > I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some > multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like > to use packages for them... > You should look at backports.org and debian-multimedia.org > 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and > advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without > breaking some kind of dependence? > When the installer asks if you want to install GRUB, I think you can say "no" or "cancel" and you will get an option to install LILO. If you want to install LILO after your installation, you can do that too. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New to Debian
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29 -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote: > I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a > mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, Welcome! > 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start > automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop > X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple > text consoles, and start X11 manually when required? You just need to disable whatever service starts xorg in the applicable runlevels. You can do this easily with rcconf or sysv-rc-conf. the service you are looking for is probably gdm, xdm or kdm. > 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just > download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows You usually don't need all 5 DVDs and from the rest of your mail I can see that using them was definitely the wrong choice for you. I would suggest to use the netinstall CD next time and just install the base system. You can then download and install everything you want and built exactly the system that you want/need without all the cruft that is installed if you select one of the tasks. I would also recommend using the 'expert' mode during installation as I have the impression that you pretty much know what you want to install and how to configure your system. > most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and, > once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the > window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if > deleted. You can safely remove all of GNOME if you don't need it. Some packages might remain as dependencies of programs you installed though. > 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I > prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if > I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some > multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like > to use packages for them... I don't quite understand why you would want to do so, but it is certainly possible. You might run into problems with other packages that depend on these packages ... but that has already been mentioned. Note that this will also deprive you from security updates by Debian and that the packages shipped with Debian are specifically tailored towards the Debian platform (and the ones you compile are not). A better way might be to download the source package of a binary package that is configured in a way you dislike, tailor it to your needs and install "your" package. I would really suggest that you try "The Debian Way" for some time and learn about the advantages and (maybe) disadvantages ... This means that you have to adapt your administration style a little - but it is always fun to learn something new, or? If you have further questions do not hesitate to write another mail or join #debian at the freenode or oftc network. -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian
Kumar Appaiah wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote: >> 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and >> advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without >> breaking some kind of dependence? > > I believe so, but I don't know the methods/problems. Someone > else/Google should be able to help you with this. IIRC, the installer for lenny has an option to install lilo instead of grub (expert mode). -- Johannes Three nations have not officially adopted the International System of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Burma, Liberia, and the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_units -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New to Debian
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 08:29, wrote: > Hello > > I'm new to Debian, have used Slackware for years but latest release was a > mess so I decided to move to Debian and give it a try, however I have some > doubts and need to complete my configuration to keep working while > learning to use this new distro, so these are my current doubts: > > 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start > automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop > X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple > text consoles, and start X11 manually when required? Just remove gdm/kdm/xdm, and use startx - that's what I do. > 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just > download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows > most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and, > once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the > window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if > deleted. As Kumar said, kde-core and kde are KDE metapackages and will bring in varying amounts of KDE. Yon definitely remove all or part of Gnome. I have a fair amount of Gnome and a small amount of KDE on my system, but not the metapackages for either one. Instead of the Gnome installer, you might try using Aptitude in interactive (ncurses) mode. I find that is the best way to work with complex package selection. > 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I > prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if > I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some > multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like > to use packages for them... You can do that, but if other packages needs MySQL, you either need the equivs package to let the system know you have MySQL, or you need to turn your compiled version into a .deb (shouldn't be too hard, with debhelper). > 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and > advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without > breaking some kind of dependence? Should work, but I have never gone back to lilo before. > Well, that's enough by now, today I need at least to setup the nVidia > driver and hopefully the latest kernel (no matter if it is GRUB by now)... Good luck! Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: New to Debian
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:29:57AM -0700, deb...@toursbymexico.com wrote: > 1) How can I disable the graphical login and/or avoid X11 to start > automatically? I can't install the nVidia driver since it tells me to stop > X11 before. And, is it possible to leave it that way, just with the simple > text consoles, and start X11 manually when required? Well, one way to do this would be to close the display manager you use. For example, if gdm is what is running, I'd use /etc/init.d/gdm stop Alternately, you can switch runlevels, but that isn't really necessary, I think. See http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_run-levels for details. > 2) How can I install KDE? Currently it is running with Gnome... I've just > download all 5 DVDs plus the updates one... the gnome (un)install shows > most KDE applications to install, but not the full window manager... and, > once installed, is it safe to remove Gnome to free disk space? Just the > window manager, not its libraries that should break some dependencies if > deleted. Yes. It is free to remove the parts of Gnome which is not needed. To get KDE, you can install one of the meta packages, such as kde-core (in Lenny), or get all things KDE with the "kde" package. > 3) There are some programs/drivers that independently of the distro, I > prefer to install them by hand from sources. Does it affect in some way if > I do this? The most common ones are kernel, MySQL, msn, irc, some > multimedia stuff, etc. but at least the kernel and MySQL that I don't like > to use packages for them... It shouldn't, but then, you might have problems getting other dependencies working. The kernel shouldn't be bother, but MySQL is more significant, since, if a package from Debian needs MySQL to run, you'd have to explicitly specify that you have your own MySQL, since it won't be able to find the Debian installed MySQL. If package versions being old is your worry, you could consider Backports, which offer you updated software for Stable Debian releases: http://www.backports.org > 4) Is it possible to install LILO instead of GRUB? I know it is better and > advanced, but I like LILO... would it be safe to install it without > breaking some kind of dependence? I believe so, but I don't know the methods/problems. Someone else/Google should be able to help you with this. > Well, that's enough by now, today I need at least to setup the nVidia > driver and hopefully the latest kernel (no matter if it is GRUB by now)... > > Thanks for your help, Have a great time with your Debian installation, and we'll do our best to answer your queries here. Kumar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:36:34 +0200, Giuseppe Marinelli wrote: > This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux. I > tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple > configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering > yet. > > The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with > autohinter enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled > but I don't find the rendering good enough. What puzzles me the most is the fact that I'm running both Ubuntu and Debian on the same very hardware, using now the same video driver, and in both cases using the same fonts and settings, but in Ubuntu I do not have any problems with fonts at all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:22:06 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: > The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though > it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume. Installed the proprietary driver but did not have a lot of improvements (if any) with it either. > Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the > option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you > might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take > effect. Tried tweaking with it before the proprietary driver install and after it without any luck as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 03:52:06 Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: > thirstyh2o wrote: > > Hi, folks. > > > > I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally > > decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself". > > > > So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual > > boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty. The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The > > resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was > > quite pleased by that. > > > > Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font > > rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes > > start soring after 15-20 minutes. > > > > In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny, > > since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source > > driver. > > The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though > it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume. > > > Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open > > source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one. > > > > Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. > > Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the > option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you > might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take > effect. This is something I have been coping with since my switch to Linux. I tried multiple font types (DejaVu, Bitstream, Liberation) and multiple configurations but I have not managed to get a decent font rendering yet. The present configuration consists of the Liberation fonts with autohinter enabled, subpixel rendering enabled and bitmap fonts disabled but I don't find the rendering good enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new to debian need help with fonts rendering (?)
thirstyh2o wrote: Hi, folks. I'm coming from Ubuntu crowd where I spent last couple of years. Finally decided:"Why 'Debian based', why not Debian itself". So to be. I've installed Debian 5.0.2 on my Dell Latitude D820 as dual boot to my Ubuntu Jaunty. The laptop has Nvidia video card on it. The resolution and refresh rate were set properly by installer, and I was quite pleased by that. Everything was just fine except... font rendering. I find that, font rendering in Ubuntu is way easier on my eyes than in Lenny, where my eyes start soring after 15-20 minutes. In Ubuntu I do use proprietary/restricted video drivers. But in Lenny, since I'm not a gamer, I was willing to stick with default open source driver. The proprietary driver improves performance even for other stuff though it is more likely to crash, especially during suspend/resume. Hence the question, is there any way to improve font rendering with open source driver or I'll have to install the proprietary one. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Try running `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` and ensure that the option for sub-pixel rendering is correct. If you had to change it, you might have to run `dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig` for the changes to take effect. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 02:10:40PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > On Monday 01 January 2007 02:24, Mike Myers wrote: > > On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > m-a update > > > m-a prepare > > > m-a a-i nvidia > > > > > > modconf > > > -> select and load the nvidia module > the modconf command essentially does what you would be doing with modprobe, > but in a "GUI" way. Both modconf, m-a are explained in their man pages (not > very clear but good enough if you know what they do). > > Documentation on nvidia can be found at > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html > I'm using amd64 Etch. I'm using nVIDIA EN7300GT silent and I'm using the nvidia driver since I want to use hardware playback not software. If I remember right, here's how I did it (it wasn't painful at all in fact it was so simple it didn't stick in my head too well): Get x working with the nv driver. Manually copy xorg.conf to xorg.conf.nv (later steps do something similar but I'm paranoid) install: (remember to have contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list) nvidia-glx (in my case) nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 (the generic nvidia kernel package that matches the generic kernel package, both depend on the most recent kernel, great for updates). nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig read all the man pages and docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia* run nvidia-xconfig it alters your xorg.conf file and gets everything ready to run with the new module. Module loading happens automatically. I never needed to use modconf or module-assistant or the source. Good luck. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Monday 01 January 2007 02:24, Mike Myers wrote: > On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > m-a update > > m-a prepare > > m-a a-i nvidia > > > > modconf > > -> select and load the nvidia module > > > > m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you > > to > > have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in > > the /etc/apt/sources.list > > > > You will need to do this every time you update your kernel. > > > > hth > > raju > > > > That's good to know! What is all that doing behind the scenes? I'm used > to loading the module manually and adding a line in > /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel- 2.6 so it is loaded while booting up. So I > would just do like, > > modprobe nvidia; echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6; > > and be done. If you can point me to where I can RTFM that'd be awsome, > heh. Thanks! the modconf command essentially does what you would be doing with modprobe, but in a "GUI" way. Both modconf, m-a are explained in their man pages (not very clear but good enough if you know what they do). Documentation on nvidia can be found at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html It has been a long time since I have looked at these, so there might be other new documents as well. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- $200,000 Loan for as Low as $771/mo Other refi and home equity loans available. Serious inquiries only. http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/BgLEQfI70YdFKaR89GV1YVShpbFiqFnnYFJy/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote: > > Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and > installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. > The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks > like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia > can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this? m-a update m-a prepare m-a a-i nvidia modconf -> select and load the nvidia module m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you to have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in the /etc/apt/sources.list You will need to do this every time you update your kernel. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- Search Accredited Degrees Browse leading, accredited online degrees. Get free information. http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/BgLEQfIzfHpBFnunZtAyXF4ueIrFMoEaPnWt/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's good to know! What is all that doing behind the scenes? I'm used to loading the module manually and adding a line in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel- 2.6 so it is loaded while booting up. So I would just do like, modprobe nvidia; echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6; and be done. If you can point me to where I can RTFM that'd be awsome, heh. Thanks!
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote: > > Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and > installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. > The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks > like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia > can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this? m-a update m-a prepare m-a a-i nvidia modconf -> select and load the nvidia module m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you to have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in the /etc/apt/sources.list You will need to do this every time you update your kernel. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- Search Accredited Degrees Browse leading, accredited online degrees. Get free information. http://tags.bluebottle.com/fc/BgLEQfIzfHpBFnunZtAyXF4ueIrFMoEaPnWt/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
Yes! That's exactly what I was looking for. I also had to install the nvidia-glx package to allow xorg to use the driver. Thanks a lot! On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and > installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. > The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks > like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia > can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this? yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your sources.list. edit /etc/apt/sources.list you will find a line like deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free use your favorite package manager to update the cache apt-get update aptitude update etc. apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6- enjoy A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFmA88aIeIEqwil4YRAj9LAJ0eShN9RZzDhHy7lI1RLgBuIFSlsACfYGsM zkLMxr9d88Zj6QPV0/uBkC4= =/eOa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > > > Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and > installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. > The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks > like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia > can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this? You can use a stock kernel just fine: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and > installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. > The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks > like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia > can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this? yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your sources.list. edit /etc/apt/sources.list you will find a line like deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free use your favorite package manager to update the cache apt-get update aptitude update etc. apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6- enjoy A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for the prompt response! > >> > >> I'm using the i386 netinst. The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit > >> ethernet pro. When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, > >lspci [...] > > Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me > that > it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro. I'm not at the machine now to > copy > it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel. The install cd not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not, then the etch install definitely will. A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFl37jaIeIEqwil4YRAkDQAJoCHE01+zilKhN1aTacdlunclLyiwCgzyhH umFTFwXlwyy94NAHNPwL5to= =IyO5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for the tips! I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and installed fine. The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed. The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all. It looks like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia can build a module for it. Might there be an easier way to do this?
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > >> > >> Thanks for the prompt response! > >> > >> I'm using the i386 netinst. The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit > >> ethernet pro. When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, > >lspci [...] > > Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me > that > it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro. I'm not at the machine now to > copy > it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel. The install cd not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not, then the etch install definitely will. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On 12/30/2006 11:05 PM, Mike Myers wrote: Hello, I'm new to debian, but not to linux. I've been using Gentoo for the past 6 years or so, but I'm getting tired of having to make sure any new updates aren't going to destroy my systems. I'm just wanting a system I can use instead of babysit. So I was going to try debian out because of apt-get, and the fact that it has releases instead of having major updates released on live systems. So anyways, I grabbed the netinst install cd and boot to it, only to find out that it can't find my e1000 ethernet card...? Is there some kind of known problem with this card and the netinst cd or something? I can use it without any problems in Gentoo and windows. Any help would be appreciated! My advice, part 1: See if the e1000 is recognized when you boot with the linux26 boot option. That uses a more recent kernel that recognizes a little more hardware. My advice, part 2: Use Etch. Etch is *far* more up-to-date than Sarge, and Etch will become the new "Stable" soon, and Etch certainly accepts more hardware than Sarge. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~mumia.w.18.spam/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > I got the i386 stable.. which I think is sarge? (i'm not caught up on the > lingo yet :P) Here's the url I used: > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso > Etch will be release Any Day Now(TM), so you probably want to use that instead. The kernel in Sarge is quite old. Etch has a much more current kernel with more up to date drivers. > Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me that > it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro. I'm not at the machine now to copy > it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel. The install cd has > that module in the list of modules for network cards, but the installer says > it can't find the card. I can try to tinker with it when I get home in > about 20 minutes. With my kind of luck, I prolly just need to modprobe it > instead of rely on the installer to find it >.> I am guessing that trying Etch will solve the problem. If not, you will likely need to provide the verbatim output of lspci. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > > Thanks for the prompt response! > > I'm using the i386 netinst. The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit > ethernet pro. When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, lspci > doesn't run. I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd. Did you get the Sarge, Etch or Sid netinst? Do you have Gentoo installed on the system? If so, use that to run lspci. If not, do you have a LiveCD (Knoppix or something like that) that you can use? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFl0pJ1snWssAFC08RAuc/AJ9p11FEgG1MGsaTiLQveUZc3gAnvgCfZBjo PNWmwt8NkVPzHRA/Rc+NCLg= =rwBP -END PGP SIGNATURE- I got the i386 stable.. which I think is sarge? (i'm not caught up on the lingo yet :P) Here's the url I used: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me that it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro. I'm not at the machine now to copy it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel. The install cd has that module in the list of modules for network cards, but the installer says it can't find the card. I can try to tinker with it when I get home in about 20 minutes. With my kind of luck, I prolly just need to modprobe it instead of rely on the installer to find it >.>
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > > Thanks for the prompt response! > > I'm using the i386 netinst. The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit > ethernet pro. When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, lspci > doesn't run. I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd. Did you get the Sarge, Etch or Sid netinst? Do you have Gentoo installed on the system? If so, use that to run lspci. If not, do you have a LiveCD (Knoppix or something like that) that you can use? Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:05:09PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to debian, but not to linux. I've been using Gentoo for the past 6 > years or so, but I'm getting tired of having to make sure any new updates > aren't going to destroy my systems. I'm just wanting a system I can use > instead of babysit. So I was going to try debian out because of apt-get, > and the fact that it has releases instead of having major updates released > on live systems. > Welcom to the wonderful world of Debian! Thanks! So anyways, I grabbed the netinst install cd and boot to it, only to find > out that it can't find my e1000 ethernet card...? Is there some kind of > known problem with this card and the netinst cd or something? I can use it > without any problems in Gentoo and windows. > Which netinst CD did you download? Which e1000 card do you have? Maybe the output of `lspci -vvv` showing the section for that card? > Any help would be appreciated! Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFl0Zr1snWssAFC08RAiFrAKCAk51ukELBotY7f7tCSXzlbE/2YQCeKCg7 tRTOeN12hL99KhkODn07yio= =+mOq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for the prompt response! I'm using the i386 netinst. The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit ethernet pro. When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal, lspci doesn't run. I guess it doesn't come with the netinst livecd.
Re: new to debian but having installation problems
On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:05:09PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to debian, but not to linux. I've been using Gentoo for the past 6 > years or so, but I'm getting tired of having to make sure any new updates > aren't going to destroy my systems. I'm just wanting a system I can use > instead of babysit. So I was going to try debian out because of apt-get, > and the fact that it has releases instead of having major updates released > on live systems. > Welcom to the wonderful world of Debian! > So anyways, I grabbed the netinst install cd and boot to it, only to find > out that it can't find my e1000 ethernet card...? Is there some kind of > known problem with this card and the netinst cd or something? I can use it > without any problems in Gentoo and windows. > Which netinst CD did you download? Which e1000 card do you have? Maybe the output of `lspci -vvv` showing the section for that card? > Any help would be appreciated! Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New to Debian Installation
On 10/04/2006 12:43 PM, Sara thompson wrote: Hi guys, I'm new to the Debian Linux System and I ordered a 15 disc set from 0_bits.com. There is no installation guide and I have installed the first disc opting for no network and no internet and I am at the point of entering my password and getting a prompt and I am wondering how to install the second disc. Please help me if you can as I would like to put this system on several training computers for a non-profit concern. Sincerely Tony Get the Debian installation guide: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=site:debian.org+debian+installation+guide -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian Installation
Sara thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm new to the Debian Linux System and I ordered a 15 disc set from > 0_bits.com. > There is no installation guide and I have installed the first disc opting > for no network and no internet and I am at the point of entering my password > and getting a prompt and I am wondering how to install the second disc. > Please help me if you can as I would like to put this system on several > training computers for a non-profit concern. > > Sincerely > Tony Most of Debian's docs are on the net. For a basic installation guide you can use this: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_a_small_partition It's been some time since I installed Sarge, but I think the sources (for package installation) are setup later. BTW, you won't need to scan all 15 disks unless you have very specialized needs. For a typical desktop, the first 2 will be enough. Just select the 'Desktop' task and you should be good to go. HTH Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian Installation
If I understand you corectly, you have installed debian using only first CD and now you would like to use software from other CDs. If that is the case, as a root type: apt-cdrom add, and then follow intructions. That will make packages from other CDs available for installation. After that you can use synaptic in gnome to select what packages to install. You can also use synaptic to add CDs as a source for new packages. 2006/10/4, Sara thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi guys, I'm new to the Debian Linux System and I ordered a 15 disc set from 0_bits.com. There is no installation guide and I have installed the first disc opting for no network and no internet and I am at the point of entering my password and getting a prompt and I am wondering how to install the second disc. Please help me if you can as I would like to put this system on several training computers for a non-profit concern. Sincerely Tony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian
Michael Marsh wrote: > > Try running alsaconf again, and then lsmod to see which module you > need. Presumably it's snd-emu10k1. All you need to add to > /etc/modules is the line: > snd-emu10k1 Adding snd-pcm-oss is also a good idea. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian
> Did all that and as root, all worked well for a minute. After a reboot, this > is what I'm getting: > > modprobe emu10k1 > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: > init_module: No such device > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including > invalid IO or IRQ parameters. > You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg This is probably because you tried to add that module earlier. Remove the module by doing a "rmmod emu...". Is is the oss driver and you want to use alsa. Run alsaconf again, and see if it works now. I have problems keeping my default soundcard due to the fact that I also have a integrated soundcard on my motherboard, which is detected before my sounblaster. /nisse > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod > emu10k1 failed > > What did I do wrong and how do I fix? If you need the dmesg, let me know... > > I hate feeling like an idiot... but I sure do appreciate your help! alsaconf > didn't update /etc/modules, but I have no idea what I need to add. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Nils-Erik Svangård MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: schweingaard
Re: New to Debian
On 2/5/06, Kerry K. Waldrip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did all that and as root, all worked well for a minute. After a reboot, this > is what I'm getting: > > modprobe emu10k1 > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: > init_module: No such device > Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including > invalid IO or IRQ parameters. > You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o failed > /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod > emu10k1 failed Try running alsaconf again, and then lsmod to see which module you need. Presumably it's snd-emu10k1. All you need to add to /etc/modules is the line: snd-emu10k1 > I hate feeling like an idiot... but I sure do appreciate your help! alsaconf > didn't update /etc/modules, but I have no idea what I need to add. I recall having some troubles with alsa when I first installed it. You might want to take a look through /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/FAQ if you haven't yet. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
Re: New to Debian
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 14:17:45 -0500 Michael Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you get alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ? That should have the modules > you're looking for, though you'll need to run depmod before you can > modprobe for them. You can also install alsa-modules-2.4-386 instead > of the more specific version, and that will keep alsa-modules synced > up with your kernel if you have kernel-image-2.4-386 installed as > well. The 2.4-386 version will *always* depend on the specific 2.4 > kernel in the repository, so only install that if you're going to > follow the latest 2.4 kernel. > > Once you've installed the modules package and run depmod, the alsaconf > program from alsa-utils should get everything configured. You might > have to add the appropriate module to /etc/modules, if alsaconf > doesn't do it for you. > > -- > Michael A. Marsh > http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh > http://mamarsh.blogspot.com Did all that and as root, all worked well for a minute. After a reboot, this is what I'm getting: modprobe emu10k1 /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o: insmod emu10k1 failed What did I do wrong and how do I fix? If you need the dmesg, let me know... I hate feeling like an idiot... but I sure do appreciate your help! alsaconf didn't update /etc/modules, but I have no idea what I need to add. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian
On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 12:55:37PM -0600, Kerry K. Waldrip wrote: > Hi, List! > an Audigy sound card. The sound card is giving me trouble, > tho. Specifics follow: > > lspci | grep audio > :00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03) > > modprobe snd-emu10k1;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe > snd-seq-oss Just FYI, "modprobe mod mod mod mod" works too... > I've searched the web via google and RTM all to no avail. I > apt-got ALSA yesterday. Anyone offering advice would be my > new best friend. :) sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils sudo alsaconf If it detects your card, you're set. (aumix is simple tool to adjust volume) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian
On 2/5/06, Kerry K. Waldrip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > uname -r > 2.4.27-2-386 > [...] > I've searched the web via google and RTM all to no avail. I apt-got ALSA > yesterday. Anyone offering advice would be my new best friend. :) Did you get alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ? That should have the modules you're looking for, though you'll need to run depmod before you can modprobe for them. You can also install alsa-modules-2.4-386 instead of the more specific version, and that will keep alsa-modules synced up with your kernel if you have kernel-image-2.4-386 installed as well. The 2.4-386 version will *always* depend on the specific 2.4 kernel in the repository, so only install that if you're going to follow the latest 2.4 kernel. Once you've installed the modules package and run depmod, the alsaconf program from alsa-utils should get everything configured. You might have to add the appropriate module to /etc/modules, if alsaconf doesn't do it for you. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
Re: New to Debian: Network support
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do I suscribe to this list? > What are the packages needed to configure/detect a > network > (router)? > > I just installed Debian Sarge on my laptop. My > laptop was > useless with window, it used to hung up every too > often. > Things look better with Sarge. Therefore, I > concluded that > Linux is definitively more stable than Windows and > rescued > my laptop. I am new to Debian. Some years ago I > tride to > install Potato but couldn't do it. I still have the > CD's to > reveange someday... Sarge is more user friendly in > this > sense. I use RedHat at work (as user only not > administrator) > and used to have Mandrake and SUSE (100% smooth > installations) at home but I have the feeling that > only > Debian will remain trully Open Source in the future > and it's > worth to learn it, apt-get is exellent by the way. > > I was able to connect to the network once but then I > got an > IRQ-11 error and have not been able since then. I am > trying > to connect to a router via a LAN cable. The router > is > connected to the WAN. The Router seems designed for > Windows > but I could use it once. Unfortunately, Debian > detected the > network during the installation by itself so I have > no clue > how did it happen. I had to reinstall Sarge again to > eliminate the IRQ11 error that was interfering with > the boot > process. However the new installation didn't > recognize the > network automatically! > > Regards, > Carlos Hello Carlos, Well first of all I want to mention that the router and your linux box connect between themselfs with TCP/IP, so does not matter if you have linux or windows. In order to communicate two boxes whichever those be they must have an ip within the same network I mean: Box1: 192.168.0.1 Box2: 192.168.0.2 Then can be a comminication between those point. Often the routers has the dhcp configured by default in this case the router gives an ip to your machine(linux box), so you must configure the eth? in order to get the ip address, you can achive this in the folowing way: go and edit: /etc/netwok/interface and put the following lines auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp save the file, and the go to: /etc/init.d/ and run #./networking restart or #./netwokring stop #./networking start in this way the router will give to your linux box an ip and you will be able to connect to your router. if not, you must know the ip of your router and assign an ip within the same network to your linux box. Also you can check www.tldp.org, the HOWTOS there are a very good documentation about networking. I hope this help Regards. -- Sergio Basurto J. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. (Isaac Newton) -- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to Debian
Adam Siade wrote: Hello all I am also new to Debian. I have done some Google searches on LaTeX info and have found this mailing list with several messages pertaining to LaTeX. If I have the wrong list please let me know. If I have the right list, I am excited to be able to help and receive help with LaTeX. Many Thanks Adam Great! Debian could always use some help. This list is about people using debian. If you are using debian and if there is a problem with latex functionality on Debian, then you can post it here. raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi Graduate Student, MAE Cornell University http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to debian
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 08:30:30PM +0200, Johan wrote: > Hi, > > I am absolutely new to debian but not to linux. (Mandrake, Suse, > Ubuntu) the easy ones? > > I have debian "sarge" 14 cd's. the cd's are loaded with software based upon popularity thus cd 1 and cd 2 contain the software most folks need. After getting the first 2 cd's, most folks just download what every else they need from the internet. Having all 14 is useful if you are not connected to the internet. > > While installing I almost thought that I was installing ubuntu up to a > point. Ubuntu is using the installer from Debian. This installer was built during the Sarge release and was one reason for sarges delay. > All cd's is registered in apt-get (2 to 14). > > That point is this installation only go as far as the command line. > > Does not even have startx. > > Usually I end up with a graphical interface. Debian want to be very flexible. Other distros want to install EVERYTHING. So you have no choice but to install Openoffice, Gnome, Kde, and all the games. So the install just gives you enought to build upon: all the basic console tools. At the end of the install it does give you a change to add more with tasksel and aptitude. So you could have used that change to add more software. If you want a 'desktop', you get to choose what you want. you can use the 'tasksel' program at anytime to add 'desktop', I think it install gnome and kde (along with X). Or you can use the meta-packages like 'kde' or 'gnome'. These install all of the required pacakges rather than having you speicify all 100+. Hopefully these issue are covered in the debian reference and the debian installation guide (both of these are on the web site and can also be downloaded or 'apt-get'ed). > > Obviously this time not. Ok, I did some surfing but the documentation > tells me to do what actually has already being done by the installer. > > Please I would like to get further than the command line. > > Kindly how to proceed? > Others have made other good suggestions. If you have further questions, just keep asking! Cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ "' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P"" $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P"' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian
Johan wrote: "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, July 12, 2005 2:24 pm, Johan said: Apg-get refuses to install any og those pckages you mentoned..dependencie problem. Seem that all those 13 dics in source list does not have all the dependencies apt-get update This will refresh your sources list Also, do you have disk 1 in the /etc/sources ? I believe that the X install is still located there. makes no difference johan Please post the contents of "/etc/apt/sources.list". When you run "apt-get update", do you get any error messages? What messages do you get when you run "apt-get install x-window-system"? -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian
>> >> apt-get update >> This will refresh your sources list >> Also, do you have disk 1 in the /etc/sources ? I believe that the X >> install is still located there. >> -- > > makes no difference > johan So what message do you get when you type startx? What errors are you seeing in /var/log logfiles? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:24:08 -0500 (CDT) "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, July 12, 2005 2:24 pm, Johan said: > > hi to.. > > Kent West, > > > > Sorry for funny mail..had call in my laptop to do messaging. The station > > switch off replace drive and reboot. > > > > Apg-get refuses to install any og those pckages you mentoned..dependencie > > problem. Seem that all those 13 dics in source list does not have all the > > dependencies > > > > johan > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > apt-get update > This will refresh your sources list > Also, do you have disk 1 in the /etc/sources ? I believe that the X > install is still located there. > -- makes no difference johan > Disclaimer: > This communication represents the official view of the voices in my head > and should not be confused with whatever voices you are hearing. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian
On Tue, July 12, 2005 2:24 pm, Johan said: > hi to.. > Kent West, > > Sorry for funny mail..had call in my laptop to do messaging. The station > switch off replace drive and reboot. > > Apg-get refuses to install any og those pckages you mentoned..dependencie > problem. Seem that all those 13 dics in source list does not have all the > dependencies > > johan > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > apt-get update This will refresh your sources list Also, do you have disk 1 in the /etc/sources ? I believe that the X install is still located there. -- Disclaimer: This communication represents the official view of the voices in my head and should not be confused with whatever voices you are hearing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to debian
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 02:30 pm, Johan wrote: > Hi, > > I am absolutely new to debian but not to linux. (Mandrake, Suse, > Ubuntu) the easy ones? > > I have debian "sarge" 14 cd's. > > While installing I almost thought that I was installing ubuntu up to a > point. > All cd's is registered in apt-get (2 to 14). > > That point is this installation only go as far as the command line. > > Does not even have startx. > > Usually I end up with a graphical interface. > > Obviously this time not. Ok, I did some surfing but the documentation > tells me to do what actually has already being done by the installer. > > Please I would like to get further than the command line. > > Kindly how to proceed? > > Thanks > > Johan. You can 'apt-get install x-window-system' and then 'apt-get install kde' or 'apt-get install gnome' to get your desktop environment of choice -- alternately, you can run 'tasksel' and choose to install the Desktop Environment set of packages -- this should get everything ready to go! -- Ryan Schultz -> floating point exception: divide by cucumber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to debian
Johan wrote: I have debian "sarge" 14 cd's. That point is this installation only go as far as the command line. Does not even have startx. Run "apt-get install x-window-system kde gnome" as root; you should shortly have a KDE and/or Gnome-enabled box. Run "startx" afterward to start X, or run "/etc/init.d/kdm start" (assuming you choose KDM as your login manager). -- Kent West Technology Support Abilene Christian University
Re: New to debian
Do you have a fully working system but with command line only? If so, try to press Cntrl-Alt-F7 Tell us what happened!
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
Steve Block wrote: Chris Lale wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 15:44, Sridhar M.A. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, > so don't care that much about Sarge. > I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.8.1-3 Candidate: 2.8.1-3 Version Table: 2.8.1-4 0 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages *** 2.8.1-3 0 900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status I don't think so. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.6.2-6 Candidate: 2.6.2-6 Version Table: *** 2.6.2-6 0 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Chris. Chris, have you run apt-get update recently? I have two machines running Sarge, both updated within the last 24 hours, both reporting gnome 2.8.1-3 as the latest installable gnome version. Yes - just before I posted, and again just now - 30 hours later. I have gnome 2.8.1-3 now. Perhaps the UK mirror is a little behind? Thanks, Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
Steve Block wrote: Chris Lale wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 15:44, Sridhar M.A. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, > so don't care that much about Sarge. > I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.8.1-3 Candidate: 2.8.1-3 Version Table: 2.8.1-4 0 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages *** 2.8.1-3 0 900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status I don't think so. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.6.2-6 Candidate: 2.6.2-6 Version Table: *** 2.6.2-6 0 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Chris. Chris, have you run apt-get update recently? I have two machines running Sarge, both updated within the last 24 hours, both reporting gnome 2.8.1-3 as the latest installable gnome version. Yes - just before I mailed the list, and again just now 30 hours later. I have gnome 2.8.1-3 reported now. Perhaps the uk mirror is a little behind? Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 06:48 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:33:28AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > [snip] > > > Hi Rich, > > > I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' > > > > Now that GNOME 2.8 is in Sid, what makes ubuntu better than Sid > > (for the power- and semi-power-user)? > > Hi Ron, > it is targeted to the desktop user like knoppix, lycoris, etc. > Some DD's have reported using for it for stricly desktop use on extra > computers. > Ubuntu is not meant to be a debian replacement. Anyone who uses Ubuntu and > wants 'more' can only but look to install Debian. Mark Shuttleworth is > trying to spread the gospel of FLOSS. He is funding Ubuntu and other > FLOSS inititaives. He is providing incentives ($$) for people to aid > this effort to fix the projects he creates. And of course, Ubuntu will > be feeding back most improvements to Debian. So Debian provides all the > power needed by semi- and power users and Ubuntu is like Debian with > training wheels -- shiny, easy to use, free support for 18 mon. and 6 > mon. release cycles. So the semi- and power user has no real need to go to Ubuntu. Except for the geek factor... Oh, and they have "released" an AMD64 distro. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Peace, in international affairs, is a period of cheating between two periods of fighting." Ambrose Bierce signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 06:33:28AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > > On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > [snip] > > Hi Rich, > > I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' > > Now that GNOME 2.8 is in Sid, what makes ubuntu better than Sid > (for the power- and semi-power-user)? Hi Ron, it is targeted to the desktop user like knoppix, lycoris, etc. Some DD's have reported using for it for stricly desktop use on extra computers. Ubuntu is not meant to be a debian replacement. Anyone who uses Ubuntu and wants 'more' can only but look to install Debian. Mark Shuttleworth is trying to spread the gospel of FLOSS. He is funding Ubuntu and other FLOSS inititaives. He is providing incentives ($$) for people to aid this effort to fix the projects he creates. And of course, Ubuntu will be feeding back most improvements to Debian. So Debian provides all the power needed by semi- and power users and Ubuntu is like Debian with training wheels -- shiny, easy to use, free support for 18 mon. and 6 mon. release cycles. -Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ "Have you mooed today?"... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 16:17 -0600, Steve Block wrote: > Chris Lale wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 15:44, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > > > >>On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > > >> > Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, > >> > so don't care that much about Sarge. > >> > > >>I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. > >> > >>$ apt-cache policy gnome-session > >>gnome-session: > >> Installed: 2.8.1-3 > >> Candidate: 2.8.1-3 > >> Version Table: > >> 2.8.1-4 0 > >> 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages > >> *** 2.8.1-3 0 > >>900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages > >>100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > >> > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > $ apt-cache policy gnome-session > > gnome-session: > > Installed: 2.6.2-6 > > Candidate: 2.6.2-6 > > Version Table: > > *** 2.6.2-6 0 > > 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages > > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > > Chris. > > Chris, have you run apt-get update recently? I have two machines running > Sarge, both updated within the last 24 hours, both reporting gnome > 2.8.1-3 as the latest installable gnome version. Since it takes a few days for all the packages to filter into a branch, Sarge may still be a mixture of 2.6 & 2.8. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Democrats piss me off!" -Eric Cartman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
> It depends, and this question demands another. What did you install, > Knoppix or Debian? ARRGH! I'm lost in a novel by Kafka! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
Chris Lale wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 15:44, Sridhar M.A. wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, > so don't care that much about Sarge. > I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.8.1-3 Candidate: 2.8.1-3 Version Table: 2.8.1-4 0 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages *** 2.8.1-3 0 900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status I don't think so. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.6.2-6 Candidate: 2.6.2-6 Version Table: *** 2.6.2-6 0 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Chris. Chris, have you run apt-get update recently? I have two machines running Sarge, both updated within the last 24 hours, both reporting gnome 2.8.1-3 as the latest installable gnome version. -- Steve Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ev-15.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
Please use reply-to-mailing-list, not reply, when making an on-topic response to a list message. On Wednesday 08 December 2004 1:31 pm, you wrote: > > > That doesn't negate the fact that Knoppix isn't Debian. > > ok, but when the OS ignores changes to inittab and XF86Config is that > knoppix or debian? It depends, and this question demands another. What did you install, Knoppix or Debian? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.dyndns.org/ pgpjLdgMKX2BL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
> That doesn't negate the fact that Knoppix isn't Debian. It's based on ok, but when the OS ignores changes to inittab and XF86Config is that knoppix or debian? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 15:44, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, >> so don't care that much about Sarge. >> > I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. > > $ apt-cache policy gnome-session > gnome-session: > Installed: 2.8.1-3 > Candidate: 2.8.1-3 > Version Table: > 2.8.1-4 0 > 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages > *** 2.8.1-3 0 > 900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > I don't think so. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.6.2-6 Candidate: 2.6.2-6 Version Table: *** 2.6.2-6 0 500 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org sarge/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Chris. -- Chris Lale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 07:13:50AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, > so don't care that much about Sarge. > I think about 4 days back it made it into sarge. I have it on my system. $ apt-cache policy gnome-session gnome-session: Installed: 2.8.1-3 Candidate: 2.8.1-3 Version Table: 2.8.1-4 0 95 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages *** 2.8.1-3 0 900 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 General notions are generally wrong. -- Lady M.W. Montagu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 12:42 +, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > > > >>On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > >> > >>>On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > >>> > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >>Hi Rich, > >>I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' > > > > > > Now that GNOME 2.8 is in Sid, what makes ubuntu better than Sid > > (for the power- and semi-power-user)? > > > > do you mean in Sarge ? Last I checked, v2.8 is not in Sarge, yet. Besides, I run Sid, so don't care that much about Sarge. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Clearly the allies may not like it, and I think that's our great concern - where's the backbone of Russia, where's the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation of such clearly illegal activity: they're now climbing into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on this if there is not compliance." John Kerry - CNN Crossfire / November 12, 1997 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0403/S00076.htm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: [snip] Hi Rich, I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' Now that GNOME 2.8 is in Sid, what makes ubuntu better than Sid (for the power- and semi-power-user)? do you mean in Sarge ? Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: [snip] > Hi Rich, > I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' Now that GNOME 2.8 is in Sid, what makes ubuntu better than Sid (for the power- and semi-power-user)? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "If you wish for peace be ready for war." Proverb "To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." George Washington signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: new to debian -- a few questions
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 01:41 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 10:26:54PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 21:28 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 08:20:58PM -0800, Rich Rudnick wrote: > > > > 'Debian' consists of the packages in main. The fundamental essence > > > > (IMHO) of main is that these are packages put together by individuals > > > > who have undergone a peer review process before getting commit rights to > > > > main. Knoppix, ubunto, libranet, gnoppix and other derivatives take > > > > snapshots of subsets of main... > > > > > > While your definition is accurate in the main, Ubuntu is a spcial case in > > > that it doesn't take the garbage approach of the other > > > pseudo-distributions > > > you mention. It does not use Debian packages. It uses it's *own* > > > packages and is, in fact, a real distribution. > > > > > > Not that I want to be seen as defending Ubuntu, of course... it's not > > > something *I'd* ever use. > > > > I did paint with a pretty big brush :) Of the four I mentioned, I've > > used knoppix as a recovery system a couple of times, looked at gnoppix, > > burned libranet and skipped it, and, since I currently live at the end > > of a 3k pipe, need to depend on that peer review. Anybody wanna mail me > > an ubuntu install disk? :_ > > Hi Rich, > I have met a few of the ubuntu Developers and it is an good 'desktop' > product. It contains many DD's and is contributing back to debian. They > would be only to happy to mail YOU cd's (if you go to the web site, you > can order as many as you want--no cost for cd or shipping!) Mine were > shipped from Switzerland about 2 weeks after my request. > -Kev > Now that has to be the most old-fashioned thing I've seen on the net since ... Ordered and done. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
