Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 06:20:18PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:58:06 -0800, Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: [snip] It's not for older/slower boxen though. I'd recommend *NO LESS* than a PII-233, and think you'll be happier with a PIII-600+ CPU. For memory, 128 MiB minimum, 256 strongly recommended. Particularly under intensive use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) it sucks both CPU and memory. But it does good things with both. Galeon does fine on this old 266 with 64MB of RAM. It certainly does better than Mozilla proper or Konqueror (KDE 1.x is just too memory hungry). So, while 128 is probably nicer, I'd hesitate to say it was the minimum. I'm also running Galeon quite happily on a P-200, albeit with 128 MB of RAM. The menus are a bit sluggish to display, but the browser as a whole is much better/faster/cheaper than anything else I've used. Rob -- If you are honest because honesty is the best policy, your honesty is corrupt.
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
* Rob Mahurin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 06:20:18PM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:58:06 -0800, Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: [snip] It's not for older/slower boxen though. I'd recommend *NO LESS* than a PII-233, and think you'll be happier with a PIII-600+ CPU. For memory, 128 MiB minimum, 256 strongly recommended. Particularly under intensive use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) it sucks both CPU and memory. But it does good things with both. Galeon does fine on this old 266 with 64MB of RAM. It certainly does better than Mozilla proper or Konqueror (KDE 1.x is just too memory hungry). So, while 128 is probably nicer, I'd hesitate to say it was the minimum. I'm also running Galeon quite happily on a P-200, albeit with 128 MB of RAM. The menus are a bit sluggish to display, but the browser as a whole is much better/faster/cheaper than anything else I've used. Rob I'll second it. I'm running Galeon on a double PPro 200 with low-latency and pre-emptive kernel patches compiled in and it's a snap. Alex. Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] pub 1024D/6C5F196B 2001-08-17 /* http://www.tagancha.org/pgp */ Oleksandr V. Moskalenko (Alex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint = EE63 C471 ADBA 5D80 ADFB 1054 DA28 6F32 6C5F 196B
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:29 AM +0100, Karsten Heymann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Seneca Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020201 11:05]: David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a very good reason for not wanting to install GNOME or another desktop manager. I tried GNOME about a month ago, and it's performance was similar to that of my 286 when windows 3.0 was installed on it. You really could doze off while it was loading. Well, galeon depends on the gnome libs installed, but it does not depend on gnome running. If your disk space is not a problem, you could try it out. Apart from that, w3m and links are very cool too (and don't forget netcat :-)) I'll also strongly plug Galeon. If you're not violently allergic to GNOME libs (and yes, it does suck in a whole mess of them, along with all of Mozilla), it's an ass-kicking browser. It's not for older/slower boxen though. I'd recommend *NO LESS* than a PII-233, and think you'll be happier with a PIII-600+ CPU. For memory, 128 MiB minimum, 256 strongly recommended. Particularly under intensive use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) it sucks both CPU and memory. But it does good things with both. I think I'll stay away from galeon with my current system, it is a P-100 with 16M ram. Otherwise, Browse-X is the best full-featured, lightweight, SSL-enabled browser I've run across. I decided to try Browse-X, and I have been taking a look at how it handles my local files. It doesn't take too long to load itself, or some local documents, but it duplicates the address in the links. If the address is file:///usr/share/doc/foo.html in the file, it is interpreted as file:///usr/share/doc/foo.html/usr/share/doc/foo.html. Is there some configuration that I haven't done, and couldn't find out about? Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 11:29 AM +0100, Karsten Heymann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Seneca Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020201 11:05]: David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a very good reason for not wanting to install GNOME or another desktop manager. I tried GNOME about a month ago, and it's performance was similar to that of my 286 when windows 3.0 was installed on it. You really could doze off while it was loading. Well, galeon depends on the gnome libs installed, but it does not depend on gnome running. If your disk space is not a problem, you could try it out. Apart from that, w3m and links are very cool too (and don't forget netcat :-)) I'll also strongly plug Galeon. If you're not violently allergic to GNOME libs (and yes, it does suck in a whole mess of them, along with all of Mozilla), it's an ass-kicking browser. It's not for older/slower boxen though. I'd recommend *NO LESS* than a PII-233, and think you'll be happier with a PIII-600+ CPU. For memory, 128 MiB minimum, 256 strongly recommended. Particularly under intensive use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) it sucks both CPU and memory. But it does good things with both. Otherwise, Browse-X is the best full-featured, lightweight, SSL-enabled browser I've run across. Karsten Likewise. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free We freed Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpVIWw6rgklD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:58:06 -0800, Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: [snip] It's not for older/slower boxen though. I'd recommend *NO LESS* than a PII-233, and think you'll be happier with a PIII-600+ CPU. For memory, 128 MiB minimum, 256 strongly recommended. Particularly under intensive use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) it sucks both CPU and memory. But it does good things with both. Galeon does fine on this old 266 with 64MB of RAM. It certainly does better than Mozilla proper or Konqueror (KDE 1.x is just too memory hungry). So, while 128 is probably nicer, I'd hesitate to say it was the minimum. -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
* Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com spake thus: I'll also strongly plug Galeon. If you're not violently allergic to GNOME libs (and yes, it does suck in a whole mess of them, along with all of Mozilla), it's an ass-kicking browser. Just out of curiosity: use (I can easily get over 100 tabs/windows open) How? Doing what? My head starts spinning around 7, and I get very uncomfortable with more than 10 tabs/windows open (Mozilla doesn't mind tho ;) ). Stig -- brautaset.org Registered Linux User 107343 ``Oh, how I wish `undo' was ported to everyday life.''
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
* Seneca Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020201 11:05]: David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a very good reason for not wanting to install GNOME or another desktop manager. I tried GNOME about a month ago, and it's performance was similar to that of my 286 when windows 3.0 was installed on it. You really could doze off while it was loading. Well, galeon depends on the gnome libs installed, but it does not depend on gnome running. If your disk space is not a problem, you could try it out. Apart from that, w3m and links are very cool too (and don't forget netcat :-)) It seems like a possible spare-time (like I'll get any with 4A literature OA chem calculus) project of mine will be learning more about the internet java and (possibly) making my own browser that fits my requirements. I would prefer not to load anything that's non-free. Galeon is free. Yours, Karsten -- Karsten Heymann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAU-University Kiel, Germany Registered Linux User #221014 (http://counter.li.org)
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
Karsten Heymann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, galeon depends on the gnome libs installed, but it does not depend on gnome running. If your disk space is not a problem, you could try it out. Apart from that, w3m and links are very cool too (and don't forget netcat :-)) I use w3m, but does anbody know if it can be used for unicode pages (on potato)? If it can't be used, what is another lightweight browser that can be used for unicode on potato? -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is a good, small, web browser?
I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I want to access the internet on. A problem that I have is that when the network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon requires the browsers used to have java support. I can't get away from it, I need a browser with java support to access the internet (the main reason why I still use windoze). So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:44:01 -0500 So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. As much as I hate to say it, your only option(as far as I can see) is the non-Free Netscape 4.xx. Make sure you have a non-Free entry in your sources.list, and then: 'apt-cache search ^netscape' That should return a netscape-java-something package which you can 'apt-get install'. Enjoy. -- .--=-=-=-=--=---=-=-=. /David Barclay HarrisAut agere, aut mori. \ \Clan Barclay Either action, or death./ `---==-=-=-=-===-=---=--=' pgpkPqFr5FlxP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 20:44, Seneca Cunningham wrote: I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I want to access the internet on. A problem that I have is that when the network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon requires the browsers used to have java support. I can't get away from it, I need a browser with java support to access the internet (the main reason why I still use windoze). So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Opera. It's non-free, but it seems like what you want. I personally would prefer Galeon, but that won't work if you don't want to install GNOME.
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 20:44, Seneca Cunningham wrote: I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I want to access the internet on. A problem that I have is that when the network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon requires the browsers used to have java support. I can't get away from it, I need a browser with java support to access the internet (the main reason why I still use windoze). So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Opera. It's non-free, but it seems like what you want. I personally would prefer Galeon, but that won't work if you don't want to install GNOME. I have a very good reason for not wanting to install GNOME or another desktop manager. I tried GNOME about a month ago, and it's performance was similar to that of my 286 when windows 3.0 was installed on it. You really could doze off while it was loading. It seems like a possible spare-time (like I'll get any with 4A literature OA chem calculus) project of mine will be learning more about the internet java and (possibly) making my own browser that fits my requirements. I would prefer not to load anything that's non-free. Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thursday 31 January 2002 05:52 pm, David Moore wrote: [snip] Try Opera. It's non-free, but it seems like what you want. I personally would prefer Galeon, but that won't work if you don't want to install GNOME. there's a small browser (albeit non-free) called xbrowse that won't force you to have a commercial banner running as opera does. opera is also a big memory bleeder that will eventually tax your resources. if you're running kde, the konqueror web browser--at least in sid--is pretty good and very configurable.
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
There's always hotjava. On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 17:44, Seneca Cunningham wrote: I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I want to access the internet on. A problem that I have is that when the network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon requires the browsers used to have java support. I can't get away from it, I need a browser with java support to access the internet (the main reason why I still use windoze). So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. Thanks for any help, Seneca [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:44:01PM -0500, Seneca Cunningham wrote: | I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I | want to access the internet on. 'links' is real small and lightweight | A problem that I have is that when the | network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon | requires the browsers used to have java support. ugh! No chance of escaping bloat now! | So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. | I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it | started up (I have since removed mozilla). mozilla, galeon, netscape have java support (see the 'j2sdk1.3' package from blackdown). Not exactly light though. I use galeon myself, and have it start when I login and leave it running in its own workspace. (I like GNOME too) It's kinda like emacs -- so heavy that you start it once and never quit it because it takes too long to startup again. -D -- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:52:15 -0500 David B Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:44:01 -0500 So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. As much as I hate to say it, your only option(as far as I can see) is the non-Free Netscape 4.xx. Make sure you have a non-Free entry in your sources.list, and then: 'apt-cache search ^netscape' That should return a netscape-java-something package which you can 'apt-get install'. Enjoy. I think you will enjoy this better: http://www.browsex.com/ And like the real thing it's free (Artistic License). Says the site: BrowseX has been written primarily in C and Tcl and clearly demonstrates that Linux applications can indeed bridge to Windows. The claim is also worth noting: lightweight: starting at 3.8 Meg and works on a 12M/386 (in X!). -- Humanity's future is in the stars: support a manned mission to Mars! http://www.thinkmars.net/petition/addpetition.html
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thursday 31 January 2002 06:46 pm, csj wrote: [snip] http://www.browsex.com/ And like the real thing it's free (Artistic License). Says the site: BrowseX has been written primarily in C and Tcl and clearly demonstrates that Linux applications can indeed bridge to Windows. The claim is also worth noting: lightweight: starting at 3.8 Meg and works on a 12M/386 (in X!). that's what i meant when i mumbled about xbrowser or some such. ben
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On 31 Jan 2002 20:52:19 -0500 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 20:44, Seneca Cunningham wrote: I have a small system (100MHz pentium, 900M /usr, 1024K video ram) that I want to access the internet on. A problem that I have is that when the network that I use was set up, the gateway software that was decided upon requires the browsers used to have java support. I can't get away from it, I need a browser with java support to access the internet (the main reason why I still use windoze). So I was wondering about if there are any good, _small_ browsers like that. I tried mozilla on my system, and I had enough time to eat lunch while it started up (I have since removed mozilla). I have X4 installed and working, but I don't want to install any desktop managers. [...] Try Opera. It's non-free, but it seems like what you want. I personally would prefer Galeon, but that won't work if you don't want to install GNOME. Once upon a time there was a debian package called skipstone that ran Mozilla without any Gnome dependencies: http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/skipstone-0.7.8.tar.gz The latest debian version is skipstone-0.7.6. May the source be with you. -- Humanity's future is in the stars: support a manned mission to Mars! http://www.thinkmars.net/petition/addpetition.html
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:43:11 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 31 January 2002 06:46 pm, csj wrote: [snip] http://www.browsex.com/ And like the real thing it's free (Artistic License). Says the site: BrowseX has been written primarily in C and Tcl and clearly demonstrates that Linux applications can indeed bridge to Windows. The claim is also worth noting: lightweight: starting at 3.8 Meg and works on a 12M/386 (in X!). that's what i meant when i mumbled about xbrowser or some such. ben Your earlier post said small browser (albeit non-free) called xbrowse. Are there any religious reasons why the Artistic License is considered non-free? -- Humanity's future is in the stars: support a manned mission to Mars! http://www.thinkmars.net/petition/addpetition.html
Re: What is a good, small, web browser?
On Thursday 31 January 2002 07:25 pm, csj wrote: [snip] Your earlier post said small browser (albeit non-free) called xbrowse. Are there any religious reasons why the Artistic License is considered non-free? i actually meant to say non-deb. the coffee just isn't kicking in today. ben
