Bug#621835: xmodmap -e 'remove lock = Caps_Lock' no longer works.
Julien: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:25:45 +0200, Luca Capello wrote: ... > > I completely understand John's feelings, xmodmap is a default/old Unix > > tool, why breaking it? What are the advantages of the latter? > > > > <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=yes&bug=621835#41> > > > A bit of googling would turn up: > http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/06/keyboard-configuration-its-complicated.html === qoute from above So before you think about writing an angry comment that we've broken your configuration: stop using input and output hotplugging, stop using suspend/resume, stop using a desktop environment that manages your keyboard configuration. Then you'll notice everything still works as before and you can xmodmap away. === So if I'm using plain old X11 I'll be fine --- good to know. And whoever want to use kde/gnome, should use xkbd. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110914185701.eec3581bf...@turkos.aspodata.se
Re: X server zapping
Karl: > KiBi: > > Karl Hammar (11/09/2011): > > > How do I make the X server zappable? > > > > > > Doing dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as indicated by [1], did > > > not help, nor did > > > > > > # cat xorg.conf > > > Section "ServerFlags" > > > Option "DontZap""off" > > > EndSection > > > # > > > > I'd suggest http://x.debian.net/howto/configure-input.html > > But I think I already did that: > > # grep terminate /etc/default/keyboard > XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > > Trying with no xorg.conf and: > > # grep terminate /etc/default/keyboard > XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > > still no luck, maybe a kfreebsd bug? > > > [1] > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#id407682 The /etc/default/keyboard method did not work. Adding setxkbmap -option "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" to my .xinitrc/.xsession file did help though. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110913140632.2b3c581c0...@turkos.aspodata.se
Re: X server zapping
KiBi: > Karl Hammar (11/09/2011): > > How do I make the X server zappable? > > > > Doing dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as indicated by [1], did > > not help, nor did > > > > # cat xorg.conf > > Section "ServerFlags" > > Option "DontZap""off" > > EndSection > > # > > I'd suggest http://x.debian.net/howto/configure-input.html But I think I already did that: # grep terminate /etc/default/keyboard XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" Trying with no xorg.conf and: # grep terminate /etc/default/keyboard XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" still no luck, maybe a kfreebsd bug? > > For the record, makeing X start up with a black root window makes it > > harder to check if it is on, I cannot even see the mouse moving. > > -retro is here if you need it. Thanks. > > BTW, the man page for xloadimage(1x) is not updated, under "-default", > > xsetroot is not the as xloadimage -default any longer. > > That's been noted on IRC one or two day(s) ago. Feel free to send a > patch upstream to fix the doc: > http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/SubmittingPatches Hmm, /usr/share/doc/xloadimage/copyright says: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/X11/R5contrib/xloadimage.4.1.tar.gz src.doc.ic.ac.uk don't seem to answer on http nor ftp, and http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/BuildingX?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xloadimage&titlesearch=Titles says "Your search query "xloadimage" didn't return any results." So, upstream don't seem to be within xorg. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110911140227.cbe9081c0...@turkos.aspodata.se
X server zapping
How do I make the X server zappable? Doing dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as indicated by [1], did not help, nor did # cat xorg.conf Section "ServerFlags" Option "DontZap""off" EndSection # This is a newly installed kfreebsd i386 system: # cat debian_version 6.0.2 # /// For the record, makeing X start up with a black root window makes it harder to check if it is on, I cannot even see the mouse moving. Yes, I know I can do # DISPLAY=:0.0 xloadimage -default BTW, the man page for xloadimage(1x) is not updated, under "-default", xsetroot is not the as xloadimage -default any longer. Regards, /Karl Hammar [1] http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#id407682 --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-x-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110911103434.6bc8c81c0...@turkos.aspodata.se
Re: trident noise
> > for inexpensive hardware. However, as soon as X is loaded and a window > > is perturbed, the sound card goes insane. > > > Now, if I remember my history, PCI video card manufacturers discovered > > at some point that they could lengthen the little bars produced by > > WinBench by a few percent if they wrote blindly to the instruction > > queue on the video card. > > Exactly. > > > I can't imagine that Branden had anything to do with this, so is > > probably an upstream problem. > > Yep. Try adding ``Option "PciRetry" "true"'' to your Device section. > Upstream is trying to be benchmark- rather than user-friendly. > > (To expand on that: the XFree86 4 client scheduler specially optimises > the case of a single client. That only happens when benchmarking.) > > Juliusz ... I have the same motherboard with their fanless 533MHz processor. The system has the problem that switching to text console and back (c-a-f1, a-f9) makes the screen dark (as if it was off), and after a little fiddling trying different options, look as if the horizontal lines are not properly synced and the screen is darker. Blindly trying things: Lowering HorizSync or VertRefresh or setting or clearing NoPciBurst, PciRetry, CyberShadow, or CyberStretch gives me the not synced look. Setting NoAccel, NoMMIO, ShadowFB, or SWcursor to "true" gives you a dark screen (the monitor behaves as if the computer is powered off). Do anyone have any suggestions. I use this as an potential netbooting, no noise, low cost xterminal. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 18 26 09 00 Computers Sweden +46 10 270 26 67 Consulting ---
Re: Connecting to a Beamer
> [debian-x, please CC me as I am not subscribed] > > Hi folks, > > I need to connect my laptop (Latitude C610) to a not-so-modern beamer, > which supports displaying the 1024x768 screen of the desktop machine ... > martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) > \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... You need to know the beamers HorizSync and VertRefresh. Update your XF86Config-4 accordingly. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 18 26 09 00 Computers Sweden +46 10 270 26 67 Consulting --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Connecting to a Beamer
> [debian-x, please CC me as I am not subscribed] > > Hi folks, > > I need to connect my laptop (Latitude C610) to a not-so-modern beamer, > which supports displaying the 1024x768 screen of the desktop machine ... > martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) > \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck ... You need to know the beamers HorizSync and VertRefresh. Update your XF86Config-4 accordingly. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 18 26 09 00 Computers Sweden +46 10 270 26 67 Consulting --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdmcp and "X terminals"
Hopes this helps: $ man Xserver ... XDMCP OPTIONS X servers that support XDMCP have the following options. See the X Display Manager Control Protocol specification for more information. -query host-name Enable XDMCP and send Query packets to the speci fied host. -broadcast Enable XDMCP and broadcast BroadcastQuery packets to the network. The first responding display man ager will be chosen for the session. ... $ Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 10 270 26 67 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Hugo van der Merwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: xdmcp and "X terminals" Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:07:45 +0200 > I want to set up an old Pentium 120 as an X terminal, to log in remotely > on my desktop. I have read some documentation, and figured out that one > of the ?dm packages does the serving, but I cannot figure out what to do > on the client to make it ask for a login with XDMCP. Can anyone point me > in the direction of a package or some docs? > > Thanks, > Hugo van der Merwe > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdmcp and "X terminals"
Hopes this helps: $ man Xserver ... XDMCP OPTIONS X servers that support XDMCP have the following options. See the X Display Manager Control Protocol specification for more information. -query host-name Enable XDMCP and send Query packets to the speci fied host. -broadcast Enable XDMCP and broadcast BroadcastQuery packets to the network. The first responding display man ager will be chosen for the session. ... $ Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 10 270 26 67 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Hugo van der Merwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: xdmcp and "X terminals" Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:07:45 +0200 > I want to set up an old Pentium 120 as an X terminal, to log in remotely > on my desktop. I have read some documentation, and figured out that one > of the ?dm packages does the serving, but I cannot figure out what to do > on the client to make it ask for a login with XDMCP. Can anyone point me > in the direction of a package or some docs? > > Thanks, > Hugo van der Merwe > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ctrl-alt-F11
I usually do this and have no c-a-f11 or similar problems mentioned i the mail. Though v9 is 1600x1200, v10 is 800x600, and both are 32bit. MGA400 card. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: "Zephaniah E\. Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ctrl-alt-F11 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:48:42 -0500 > On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 01:11:00AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > Hi, > > On my i386 box I run two X servers, one on vt9 (24-bit) and one on vt10 > > (16-bit). From time to time I press the wrong function key when changeing > > servers, like ctrl-alt-F11. ctrl-alt-F11 immediately causes the machine to > > completely lockup, clocks stop, can't kill the X server, even the MagicSysRQ > > key does not work anymore, can not log in via the network. Is this exspected > > behaviour or did I manage to configure something wrong? > > This is really not all that surprising, what video card is it? > > Zephaniah E. Hull. > > > > Christian. > > -- > PGP EA5198D1-Zephaniah E. Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>-GPG E65A7801 > Keys available at http://whitestar.soark.net/~warp/public_keys. >CCs of replies from mailing lists are encouraged. > > "Pshaw! *I* am a paid-up member of the Mystic Order of Arachnid > Vigilance." > "Please. Why don't you go fight evil somewhere else? I'm trying to sleep > here." > -- Rodger Donaldson and Eric The Read in alt.sysadmin.recovery
Re: ctrl-alt-F11
I usually do this and have no c-a-f11 or similar problems mentioned i the mail. Though v9 is 1600x1200, v10 is 800x600, and both are 32bit. MGA400 card. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: "Zephaniah E\. Hull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ctrl-alt-F11 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:48:42 -0500 > On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 01:11:00AM +0100, Christian T. Steigies wrote: > > Hi, > > On my i386 box I run two X servers, one on vt9 (24-bit) and one on vt10 > > (16-bit). From time to time I press the wrong function key when changeing > > servers, like ctrl-alt-F11. ctrl-alt-F11 immediately causes the machine to > > completely lockup, clocks stop, can't kill the X server, even the MagicSysRQ > > key does not work anymore, can not log in via the network. Is this exspected > > behaviour or did I manage to configure something wrong? > > This is really not all that surprising, what video card is it? > > Zephaniah E. Hull. > > > > Christian. > > -- > PGP EA5198D1-Zephaniah E. Hull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>-GPG E65A7801 > Keys available at http://whitestar.soark.net/~warp/public_keys. >CCs of replies from mailing lists are encouraged. > > "Pshaw! *I* am a paid-up member of the Mystic Order of Arachnid > Vigilance." > "Please. Why don't you go fight evil somewhere else? I'm trying to sleep > here." > -- Rodger Donaldson and Eric The Read in alt.sysadmin.recovery -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to start X during bootup as user
About starting X from init. --- This works: # tail -1 /etc/inittab t0:2:respawn:/root/bin/runx # cat /root/bin/runx #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/X11/X :1 vt10 & pid=$! sleep 2 export DISPLAY=:1 set > /tmp/set.log /usr/bin/X11/xterm >& /tmp/x.log # or your X application kill $! # or wait $! # grep PATH /tmp/set.log PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # pstree init-+-atd ... |-runx-+-XF86_SVGA | `-xterm---bash ... And init restarts X when your application finishes. You have probably missed setting PATH to the right thing. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Joshua Shagam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How to start X during bootup as user Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:07:04 -0700 > On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:51:07AM +0100, Cajus Pollmeier wrote: > > Am Friday 08 December 2000 09:33 schrieb Joshua Shagam: > > > Ah, okay, that makes more sense. The shellscript is probably the easiest > > > way in that case. Try starting up a getty using your shellscript instead > > > of /bin/login; I believe you'd want to add '-l /path/to/the/shellscript' > > > to > > > the end of one of your getty lines in your /etc/inittab. > > > > Currently I'm trying it this way: > > X:2:respawn:/etc/init.d/kiosk > > > > But it doesn't work the way as expected - same error than before. What do > > you > > mean with "-l "? I can't find any options starting with "-l" for getty. > > At least in the version of getty I have installed (in util-linux 2.10q-1), > -l specifies an alternate to /bin/login: > >getty [-ihLmnw] [-f issue_file] [-l login_program] [-I >init] [-t timeout] [-H login_host] port baud_rate,... >[term] > > ... > >-l login_program > Invoke the specified login_program instead of > /bin/login. This allows the use of a non-standard > login program (for example, one that asks for a > dial-up password or that uses a different password > file). > > > -- > Joshua Shagam /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign > [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email > www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email > mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to start X during bootup as user
About starting X from init. --- This works: # tail -1 /etc/inittab t0:2:respawn:/root/bin/runx # cat /root/bin/runx #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/X11/X :1 vt10 & pid=$! sleep 2 export DISPLAY=:1 set > /tmp/set.log /usr/bin/X11/xterm >& /tmp/x.log # or your X application kill $! # or wait $! # grep PATH /tmp/set.log PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # pstree init-+-atd ... |-runx-+-XF86_SVGA | `-xterm---bash ... And init restarts X when your application finishes. You have probably missed setting PATH to the right thing. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Joshua Shagam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How to start X during bootup as user Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:07:04 -0700 > On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:51:07AM +0100, Cajus Pollmeier wrote: > > Am Friday 08 December 2000 09:33 schrieb Joshua Shagam: > > > Ah, okay, that makes more sense. The shellscript is probably the easiest > > > way in that case. Try starting up a getty using your shellscript instead > > > of /bin/login; I believe you'd want to add '-l /path/to/the/shellscript' to > > > the end of one of your getty lines in your /etc/inittab. > > > > Currently I'm trying it this way: > > X:2:respawn:/etc/init.d/kiosk > > > > But it doesn't work the way as expected - same error than before. What do you > > mean with "-l "? I can't find any options starting with "-l" for getty. > > At least in the version of getty I have installed (in util-linux 2.10q-1), > -l specifies an alternate to /bin/login: > >getty [-ihLmnw] [-f issue_file] [-l login_program] [-I >init] [-t timeout] [-H login_host] port baud_rate,... >[term] > > ... > >-l login_program > Invoke the specified login_program instead of > /bin/login. This allows the use of a non-standard > login program (for example, one that asks for a > dial-up password or that uses a different password > file). > > > -- > Joshua Shagam /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign > [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / No HTML/RTF in email > www.cs.nmsu.edu/~joshagam X No Word docs in email > mp3.com/fluffyporcupine/ \ Respect for open standards > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
To temporary set disk io to syncronous writes:
# mount -o remount,sync /
do testing
# mount -o remount,async /
Regards,
/Karl
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From: Seth Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FW: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y,
how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:58:57 -0800
...
> > There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache
> > doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to
> > force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the
> > output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net?
>
> Ok. I think we can defeat this one. If you don't mind playing with your
> /etc/fstab file, you can change the partition that contains your
> /var/log directory to be a synchronous mount. This of course will slow
> things down a bit, but not by a terrible amount. (This is how the *BSDs
> did their disk IO before Kirk McKusick invented SoftUpdates to get the
> safety of synchronous writes with the speed of async mounts. :)
>
> The other option is to have an endless loop of running sync(1). Someone
> posted something similar not so long ago, but I am lousy at shell
> scripting. The following C might do the job. :)
>
> int main(void) {
> while(1) {
> if (system("/bin/sync") != 0)
> break;
> }
> }
>
> (Hmm. The system(3) manpage suggests this is very bad; however, since
> the machine crashes anyway, it might not be horrible. Read the manpage
> though and see if you can live with this before trying this version. :)
>
> (A perl version wouldn't look much different, I don't think. If you
> would rather use perl, I could dredge up my perl memories. :)
...
Re: FW: [otto.wyss@csam.com: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes mysystemcompletl y, how can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
To temporary set disk io to syncronous writes:
# mount -o remount,sync /
do testing
# mount -o remount,async /
Regards,
/Karl
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From: Seth Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FW: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: XFree 4.0.1-8 crashes my systemcompletl y, how
can I retrieve inf ormation fora bug report]
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:58:57 -0800
...
> > There is absolute nothing in the log (disk), probably because the cache
> > doesn't get flushed to disk. I guess there is nothing I could do to
> > force a flush in short intervalls. Is there any easy way to redirect the
> > output to another computer (running MacOS!) over the net?
>
> Ok. I think we can defeat this one. If you don't mind playing with your
> /etc/fstab file, you can change the partition that contains your
> /var/log directory to be a synchronous mount. This of course will slow
> things down a bit, but not by a terrible amount. (This is how the *BSDs
> did their disk IO before Kirk McKusick invented SoftUpdates to get the
> safety of synchronous writes with the speed of async mounts. :)
>
> The other option is to have an endless loop of running sync(1). Someone
> posted something similar not so long ago, but I am lousy at shell
> scripting. The following C might do the job. :)
>
> int main(void) {
> while(1) {
> if (system("/bin/sync") != 0)
> break;
> }
> }
>
> (Hmm. The system(3) manpage suggests this is very bad; however, since
> the machine crashes anyway, it might not be horrible. Read the manpage
> though and see if you can live with this before trying this version. :)
>
> (A perl version wouldn't look much different, I don't think. If you
> would rather use perl, I could dredge up my perl memories. :)
...
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Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
[ BTW. List, is this the right place to have the discussion on ? ] Why not then have have xdm manage the :0 display and start another X for that specific work while true; do X :1 -indirect $host; done # or while true; do X :1 vt10 -indirect $host; done will basically start up a new display on the next virtual terminal, or the given vt. C-A-F7 will take you to the local managed server C-A-F8 will take you to the "indirected" server I don't know what your users will think about that, but if it solves your maintainance headaches, why not. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:37:58 -0800 > Thanks, Karl, that is much neater than the way I was doing it. > > What I'm trying to set up is this ... > The nameservers are all running xdm to catch broadcast xdmcp > requests. These are given the chooser with a list of host > names that is automatically derived from the nameserver content. > Each calling server is thus indirected to the desired computer; > in many cases, this will be the localhost just like the default. > > Why ? > I'd like to set this up because we have computers sitting around, > most of which are connected to a variety of experimental systems. > If two people want to work on the same system, or if the area > around that system is not conducive to placing a human nearby, > people simply grab the console of a nearby computer and work > normally. It gets irritating fast, having to deal with a > display manager that starts applications locally when you > really want to run the apps on the target system. > > Starting the X server from inittab with the -indirect option > implements this very nicely, but it is a pain switching each > machine over by editing Xservers and inittab, putting in the > tweaks that would normally live in Xreset (for a given server) > and making sure the command line options in inittab match up > with the values that were being used in xdm ... so it works! > > Thus, I was wondering whether there was a clean way to have > xdm start (and restart) the X on the local computer, and send > the display off for an xdmcp indirect where it would normally > use the xlogin interface immediately. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfree86 4.0.1-8 potato debs available
Are thoose deb's available via ftp also. In that case I could mirror them for you (and me and everybody else ofcause). Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: "Charl P. Botha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: xfree86 4.0.1-8 potato debs available Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:18:10 +0100 > Branden's woody DEBs now build without modification on potato, so I don't > even know if it's necessary to rebuild them anymore... In anycase, I have > done so (lotsa cpu time available :) and these are available from: > > deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf401_potato/i386/ > deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf401_potato/all/ > > -- > charl p. botha | computer graphics and cad/cam > http://cpbotha.net/ | http://www.cg.its.tudelft.nl/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
[ BTW. List, is this the right place to have the discussion on ? ] Why not then have have xdm manage the :0 display and start another X for that specific work while true; do X :1 -indirect $host; done # or while true; do X :1 vt10 -indirect $host; done will basically start up a new display on the next virtual terminal, or the given vt. C-A-F7 will take you to the local managed server C-A-F8 will take you to the "indirected" server I don't know what your users will think about that, but if it solves your maintainance headaches, why not. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:37:58 -0800 > Thanks, Karl, that is much neater than the way I was doing it. > > What I'm trying to set up is this ... > The nameservers are all running xdm to catch broadcast xdmcp > requests. These are given the chooser with a list of host > names that is automatically derived from the nameserver content. > Each calling server is thus indirected to the desired computer; > in many cases, this will be the localhost just like the default. > > Why ? > I'd like to set this up because we have computers sitting around, > most of which are connected to a variety of experimental systems. > If two people want to work on the same system, or if the area > around that system is not conducive to placing a human nearby, > people simply grab the console of a nearby computer and work > normally. It gets irritating fast, having to deal with a > display manager that starts applications locally when you > really want to run the apps on the target system. > > Starting the X server from inittab with the -indirect option > implements this very nicely, but it is a pain switching each > machine over by editing Xservers and inittab, putting in the > tweaks that would normally live in Xreset (for a given server) > and making sure the command line options in inittab match up > with the values that were being used in xdm ... so it works! > > Thus, I was wondering whether there was a clean way to have > xdm start (and restart) the X on the local computer, and send > the display off for an xdmcp indirect where it would normally > use the xlogin interface immediately. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xfree86 4.0.1-8 potato debs available
Are thoose deb's available via ftp also. In that case I could mirror them for you (and me and everybody else ofcause). Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: "Charl P. Botha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: xfree86 4.0.1-8 potato debs available Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:18:10 +0100 > Branden's woody DEBs now build without modification on potato, so I don't > even know if it's necessary to rebuild them anymore... In anycase, I have > done so (lotsa cpu time available :) and these are available from: > > deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf401_potato/i386/ > deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf401_potato/all/ > > -- > charl p. botha | computer graphics and cad/cam > http://cpbotha.net/ | http://www.cg.its.tudelft.nl/ > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
What, is it this problem you are trying to solve: #!/bin/sh h=$1 # hostname scp $h:.Xauthority . || xhost +$h while /bin/true do X -query $h done Your > - remote: the server is local and management is remote line is the same as your "foreign" or "xdmcp" line from what I can see. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:25:17 -0800 > > From: Karl Hammar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > $ man Xserver | sed -n -e '288,340p' > > Yes, I know. > > From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > I can do it by disabling it in xdm and putting a line in the > > inittab, but the authentication stuff is a pain and I'm > > assuming there must be a better way of setting it all up. > > xdm (for example) supports > - local: the server is local and the management is local > - foreign: the server is remote and we need to kick it > - xdmcp: the server is remote and it will come to us > > I was wondering whether there was a way to request > - remote: the server is local and management is remote > I'd like xdm to deal with monitoring and restarting the > server, yet not try to take control of that display. > > Alex. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 100% loss 3D Speed
How do you measure the framespeed of gears? Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Goran Ristic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 100% loss 3D Speed Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:20:06 +0100 ... > Anyway I´d like to ask, where this difference comes from. I matters > for me, seeing the gears rotate with 850FPS, or with maximal 400FPS. > And I´d like to know, if it is possible to increase the speed > performance again? - Or am I only in luck with a ´broken´ package? > -- > Regards, GR | GnuPG-key avaible > Can't forget you, Muck. | or mail -s 'get gpg-key' > "Mach kein TOFU (Text oben Fullqoute unten). ;)" ...
Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
What, is it this problem you are trying to solve: #!/bin/sh h=$1 # hostname scp $h:.Xauthority . || xhost +$h while /bin/true do X -query $h done Your > - remote: the server is local and management is remote line is the same as your "foreign" or "xdmcp" line from what I can see. Regards, /Karl ------- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:25:17 -0800 > > From: Karl Hammar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > $ man Xserver | sed -n -e '288,340p' > > Yes, I know. > > From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > I can do it by disabling it in xdm and putting a line in the > > inittab, but the authentication stuff is a pain and I'm > > assuming there must be a better way of setting it all up. > > xdm (for example) supports > - local: the server is local and the management is local > - foreign: the server is remote and we need to kick it > - xdmcp: the server is remote and it will come to us > > I was wondering whether there was a way to request > - remote: the server is local and management is remote > I'd like xdm to deal with monitoring and restarting the > server, yet not try to take control of that display. > > Alex. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 100% loss 3D Speed
How do you measure the framespeed of gears? Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Goran Ristic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 100% loss 3D Speed Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 05:20:06 +0100 ... > Anyway I´d like to ask, where this difference comes from. I matters > for me, seeing the gears rotate with 850FPS, or with maximal 400FPS. > And I´d like to know, if it is possible to increase the speed > performance again? - Or am I only in luck with a ´broken´ package? > -- > Regards, GR | GnuPG-key avaible > Can't forget you, Muck. | or mail -s 'get gpg-key' > "Mach kein TOFU (Text oben Fullqoute unten). ;)" ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
Have you tried one of $ X -query otherhost $ X -broadcast $ X -indirect otherhost or $ man Xserver | sed -n -e '288,340p' XDMCP OPTIONS X servers that support XDMCP have the following options. See the X Display Manager Control Protocol specification for more information. -query host-name Enable XDMCP and send Query packets to the speci fied host. -broadcast Enable XDMCP and broadcast BroadcastQuery packets to the network. The first responding display man ager will be chosen for the session. -indirect host-name Enable XDMCP and send IndirectQuery packets to the specified host. -port port-num Use an alternate port number for XDMCP packets. Must be specified before any -query, -broadcast or -indirect options. -class display-class XDMCP has an additional display qualifier used in resource lookup for display-specific options. This option sets that value, by default it is "MIT-Unspecified" (not a very useful value). -cookie xdm-auth-bits When testing XDM-AUTHENTICATION-1, a private key is shared between the server and the manager. This option sets the value of that private data (not that it is very private, being on the command line!). X Version 11 Release 6.3 5 XSERVER(1) XSERVER(1) -displayID display-id Yet another XDMCP specific value, this one allows the display manager to identify each display so that it can locate the shared key. $ Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:30:46 -0800 > I know how to have xdm use the indirect and chooser features > to work with external X terminals and determine where they go. > Works great, but it leaves me with a simple question ... > > Is there a clean way to specify that the locally managed > display should be indirected (like a terminal would be) > for the option of attaching it elsewhere instead of locally ? > I can do it by disabling it in xdm and putting a line in the > inittab, but the authentication stuff is a pain and I'm > assuming there must be a better way of setting it all up. > > Separately to that, the X traffic of a remoted display > is not normally encrypted. Sometimes that is important. > Is there a clean way to have that local X display make its > connection to the remote machine using (for example) ssh -X ? > I know how to do it manually, with some extra scripting, > but I was hoping that there was something packaged for this. > > Alex. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Prepackaged indirected X terminal
Have you tried one of $ X -query otherhost $ X -broadcast $ X -indirect otherhost or $ man Xserver | sed -n -e '288,340p' XDMCP OPTIONS X servers that support XDMCP have the following options. See the X Display Manager Control Protocol specification for more information. -query host-name Enable XDMCP and send Query packets to the speci fied host. -broadcast Enable XDMCP and broadcast BroadcastQuery packets to the network. The first responding display man ager will be chosen for the session. -indirect host-name Enable XDMCP and send IndirectQuery packets to the specified host. -port port-num Use an alternate port number for XDMCP packets. Must be specified before any -query, -broadcast or -indirect options. -class display-class XDMCP has an additional display qualifier used in resource lookup for display-specific options. This option sets that value, by default it is "MIT-Unspecified" (not a very useful value). -cookie xdm-auth-bits When testing XDM-AUTHENTICATION-1, a private key is shared between the server and the manager. This option sets the value of that private data (not that it is very private, being on the command line!). X Version 11 Release 6.3 5 XSERVER(1) XSERVER(1) -displayID display-id Yet another XDMCP specific value, this one allows the display manager to identify each display so that it can locate the shared key. $ Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Alexander Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Prepackaged indirected X terminal Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:30:46 -0800 > I know how to have xdm use the indirect and chooser features > to work with external X terminals and determine where they go. > Works great, but it leaves me with a simple question ... > > Is there a clean way to specify that the locally managed > display should be indirected (like a terminal would be) > for the option of attaching it elsewhere instead of locally ? > I can do it by disabling it in xdm and putting a line in the > inittab, but the authentication stuff is a pain and I'm > assuming there must be a better way of setting it all up. > > Separately to that, the X traffic of a remoted display > is not normally encrypted. Sometimes that is important. > Is there a clean way to have that local X display make its > connection to the remote machine using (for example) ssh -X ? > I know how to do it manually, with some extra scripting, > but I was hoping that there was something packaged for this. > > Alex. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wierd bug: ati xserver hangs when eth0 is up
Can it be so that both are using the same interrupt. The bios usually tells what interrupts are assigned to what during boot, just before the lilo prompt shows up. At least with the motherboards I have resently worked with. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Edgar Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: wierd bug: ati xserver hangs when eth0 is up Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:06:24 + > Hi, > > I'm experiencing the following behavior with the new X 4.0.1-3 running > the "ati" X server: > > Normally, the X server hangs and the screen goes blank somewhere > during startup. > > However, if I bring down my ethernet connection first > using "ifconfig eth0 down", X starts up normally and it doesn't > hang. > > At the console, I can bring down my static IP address > and use "pump" to set up a dynamic (DHCP) IP address > with no problem (I have a laptop, so I don't always use my office static > IP address). > > However, when I'm in X, the command "pump" also hangs. On leaving > X the following message is sometimes shown on the console > "eth0: Tx hang, 9 vs 0" > > After leaving X I still have problems with my ethernet connection, > "pump" still fails. "pump" only works when I am not in X, or I haven't > used X previously. > > So, I can use X, or have my ethernet connect up, but not both. > > My card is: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage P/M Mobility AGP 2x. > This occurs with a 2.2.17 and 2.4.0test10 kernels. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Edgar. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wierd bug: ati xserver hangs when eth0 is up
Can it be so that both are using the same interrupt. The bios usually tells what interrupts are assigned to what during boot, just before the lilo prompt shows up. At least with the motherboards I have resently worked with. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: Edgar Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: wierd bug: ati xserver hangs when eth0 is up Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:06:24 + > Hi, > > I'm experiencing the following behavior with the new X 4.0.1-3 running > the "ati" X server: > > Normally, the X server hangs and the screen goes blank somewhere > during startup. > > However, if I bring down my ethernet connection first > using "ifconfig eth0 down", X starts up normally and it doesn't > hang. > > At the console, I can bring down my static IP address > and use "pump" to set up a dynamic (DHCP) IP address > with no problem (I have a laptop, so I don't always use my office static > IP address). > > However, when I'm in X, the command "pump" also hangs. On leaving > X the following message is sometimes shown on the console > "eth0: Tx hang, 9 vs 0" > > After leaving X I still have problems with my ethernet connection, > "pump" still fails. "pump" only works when I am not in X, or I haven't > used X previously. > > So, I can use X, or have my ethernet connect up, but not both. > > My card is: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage P/M Mobility AGP 2x. > This occurs with a 2.2.17 and 2.4.0test10 kernels. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Edgar. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: K6-x optimized .debs for 4.0.1-1
I will mirror (daily, sometime between 0600-1100 CET) your site to: ftp://kalle.csb.ki.se/pub/linux/debian-x-k6 if you don't mind. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: K6-x optimized .debs for 4.0.1-1 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:26:14 -0600 (CST) > Hi, all. I finally succeeded in compiling K6-optimized X binaries for > XF4.0.1. So far, it's quite stable... I'm still having troubles with my > s3virge server hard-locking my box me when running moire2 > screensaver...cheap card perhaps? If people would like to try these out, I > put the .debs up on ftp via > ftp://fh-wrstlr-198035.flinthills.com/pub/debian/. Please be aware that > my DSL uplink is only 112Kbps. > > I also included the patches for both the s3virge/gx2 chip and the k6 > optimizations. Of course, I make no guarantees (proceed at your own > peril?) about these. Just put these into the debian/patches directory > before building X. > > > -- > ** Derek J Witt** > * Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * > * Home Page: http://www.flinthills.com/~djw/ * > *** "Houston, the Eagle has landed and laid an egg!" -- Unknown **
Re: K6-x optimized .debs for 4.0.1-1
I will mirror (daily, sometime between 0600-1100 CET) your site to: ftp://kalle.csb.ki.se/pub/linux/debian-x-k6 if you don't mind. Regards, /Karl --- Karl HammarAspö Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lilla Aspö 2340 +46 173 140 57Networks S-742 94 Östhammar +46 70 511 97 84 Computers Sweden Consulting --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: K6-x optimized .debs for 4.0.1-1 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:26:14 -0600 (CST) > Hi, all. I finally succeeded in compiling K6-optimized X binaries for > XF4.0.1. So far, it's quite stable... I'm still having troubles with my > s3virge server hard-locking my box me when running moire2 > screensaver...cheap card perhaps? If people would like to try these out, I > put the .debs up on ftp via > ftp://fh-wrstlr-198035.flinthills.com/pub/debian/. Please be aware that > my DSL uplink is only 112Kbps. > > I also included the patches for both the s3virge/gx2 chip and the k6 > optimizations. Of course, I make no guarantees (proceed at your own > peril?) about these. Just put these into the debian/patches directory > before building X. > > > -- > ** Derek J Witt** > * Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * > * Home Page: http://www.flinthills.com/~djw/ * > *** "Houston, the Eagle has landed and laid an egg!" -- Unknown ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
