RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Larry, this is why we really do not want to send out messages about receiving spam. This is from the man who programs the Declude program. While I understand you do not want spam bounced, the email that gets caught is going to bounce, along with any spam email. As stated below, most spam is shown to be sent from a forged address and that means that some poor soul gets told he or she is sending out spam. Before it is over, tempers flare and we get sent to a blacklist for sending out bogus email. It is a vicious circle. I am going to turn it back off and wait for a decision from John before I turn it on and leave us liable... Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message The problem is that if you bounce obvious spam -- which is almost always sent with a fake return address -- the legitimate user of the return address is going to get the bounce messages, which does nobody any good. For example, if some spammer used "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as the return address of their spam, would your client really want a ton of bounce messages? Bouncing spam just makes the spam problem worse, as it spreads the spam further. -Scott --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Just received a call from the client. He doesn't want to know about the bounced emails now...he wants the sender to know they are sending spam. (Like they don't already know that!) I have activated the WEIGHT40bounce.eml as I have a weight of 40 that deletes. Do I need to change the name to WEIGHT40DELETE.eml or change the $default$.junkmail to read BOUNCE? I really do not want to bounce...don't want the extra work load on returned mail. If the client wants to do that, you should charge him to do it. And charge him plenty. The problem is that if you bounce obvious spam -- which is almost always sent with a fake return address -- the legitimate user of the return address is going to get the bounce messages, which does nobody any good. For example, if some spammer used "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" as the return address of their spam, would your client really want a ton of bounce messages? Bouncing spam just makes the spam problem worse, as it spreads the spam further. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Just received a call from the client. He doesn't want to know about the bounced emails now...he wants the sender to know they are sending spam. (Like they don't already know that!) I have activated the WEIGHT40bounce.eml as I have a weight of 40 that deletes. Do I need to change the name to WEIGHT40DELETE.eml or change the $default$.junkmail to read BOUNCE? I really do not want to bounce...don't want the extra work load on returned mail. Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message You have no idea Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message > trying to just send it to the one domain. But as much flak as I have been > getting lately about spam, I think I will let everyone see they are getting > spam blocked! I don't know Jim. The smell of diesel is calling stronger and stronger. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Oh believe me, I do right now. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 1:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message > > You have no idea > > Jim Rooth > Klotron, Inc. > 214.244.0979 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message > > > trying to just send it to the one domain. But as much flak as I have been > > getting lately about spam, I think I will let everyone see they are > getting > > spam blocked! > > I don't know Jim. > > The smell of diesel is calling stronger and stronger. > > John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA > IT Manager, Network Engineer > RelianceSoft, Inc. > Fullerton, CA 92835 > www.reliancesoft.com > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > --- > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 > > > --- > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
You have no idea Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message > trying to just send it to the one domain. But as much flak as I have been > getting lately about spam, I think I will let everyone see they are getting > spam blocked! I don't know Jim. The smell of diesel is calling stronger and stronger. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
> trying to just send it to the one domain. But as much flak as I have been > getting lately about spam, I think I will let everyone see they are getting > spam blocked! I don't know Jim. The smell of diesel is calling stronger and stronger. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
That was the first place I went to, the security settings. I had Imail send one to the client that was complaining and of course, it went through without a hiccup...thanks anyway. Thanks Scott for your help. Yes that is what I wanted but I had in mind trying to just send it to the one domain. But as much flak as I have been getting lately about spam, I think I will let everyone see they are getting spam blocked! Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Helpdesk Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message on 2/19/03 2:54 PM, R. Scott Perry wrote: >> After checking the logs I do see the SMTPD and SMTP entries as stated. So >> that portion is working now to find out why I am losing attachments. > > Is it the whole E-mail being lost, or just the attachment? Neither Declude > nor IMail will remove attachments, so if the attachment is missing, it's > almost certainly a mail client issue. If it is just the attachments, and the client is running Outlook Express 6, the problem is their security settings. Microsoft's instructions for changing the security settings in Outlook Express and Internet Explorer can be found at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q291387 . Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
on 2/19/03 2:54 PM, R. Scott Perry wrote: >> After checking the logs I do see the SMTPD and SMTP entries as stated. So >> that portion is working now to find out why I am losing attachments. > > Is it the whole E-mail being lost, or just the attachment? Neither Declude > nor IMail will remove attachments, so if the attachment is missing, it's > almost certainly a mail client issue. If it is just the attachments, and the client is running Outlook Express 6, the problem is their security settings. Microsoft's instructions for changing the security settings in Outlook Express and Internet Explorer can be found at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q291387 . Later, Greg --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
>Does Declude JunkMail have an email file similar to the virus file >recip.eml? I have a client that wants to be notified when they have an >email they don't receive. In that case, you could use the ATTACH action, and modify the \IMail\Declude\spamattach.eml file to not include the original spam. I would use the ATTACH action instead of DELETE or HOLD? Correct. Won't that send all spam forward or at least notification of receiving spam? Yes -- but isn't that exactly what you wanted (to be notified of E-mail that would otherwise be held/deleted)? After checking the logs I do see the SMTPD and SMTP entries as stated. So that portion is working now to find out why I am losing attachments. Is it the whole E-mail being lost, or just the attachment? Neither Declude nor IMail will remove attachments, so if the attachment is missing, it's almost certainly a mail client issue. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message >Does Declude JunkMail have an email file similar to the virus file >recip.eml? I have a client that wants to be notified when they have an >email they don't receive. In that case, you could use the ATTACH action, and modify the \IMail\Declude\spamattach.eml file to not include the original spam. I would use the ATTACH action instead of DELETE or HOLD? Won't that send all spam forward or at least notification of receiving spam? >We are having an unusual amount of lost emails and they are (and I am) >trying to finds out why. Almost all attachments with .pdf are being lost. Have you checked your IMail rules? That's a common reason for .pdfs getting lost. I looked at the rules section all are blank as nothing had ever been set up in them. I am checking with IMAIL as that seems to be their area. You might also want to check the IMail log file -- it should have "SMTPD" lines for the E-mail arriving (before Declude scans it), and "SMTP-" or "SMTP" lines afterwards for the actual delivery of the E-mail. After checking the logs I do see the SMTPD and SMTP entries as stated. So that portion is working now to find out why I am losing attachments. It seems like any attachment is subject but pdfs never make it through. Except to me and my Boss we are both using the latest and greatest Outlook and have not had any problems. That is why I am prone to think there is an issue with older Email platforms. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Does Declude JunkMail have an email file similar to the virus file recip.eml? I have a client that wants to be notified when they have an email they don't receive. In that case, you could use the ATTACH action, and modify the \IMail\Declude\spamattach.eml file to not include the original spam. We are having an unusual amount of lost emails and they are (and I am) trying to finds out why. Almost all attachments with .pdf are being lost. Have you checked your IMail rules? That's a common reason for .pdfs getting lost. You might also want to check the IMail log file -- it should have "SMTPD" lines for the E-mail arriving (before Declude scans it), and "SMTP-" or "SMTP" lines afterwards for the actual delivery of the E-mail. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Sending out a bounced message
Does Declude JunkMail have an email file similar to the virus file recip.eml? I have a client that wants to be notified when they have an email they dont receive. We are having an unusual amount of lost emails and they are (and I am) trying to finds out why. Almost all attachments with .pdf are being lost. I believe it is a bad mail client issue but need to verify this. The broken mail client is caught by Declude Virus but I am unable to capture all of them as I can not sit in front of the tube constantly. So some sort of notification will help. Also can I direct this to one domain only? Mt biggest client wants it but I do not want all our clients to be inconvenienced by it. I see where attbi.com is without an abuse account sorry about that! SPEWS listed my ISP 3 Class C blocks because of an email from one account. Makes sense to me. Jim Rooth Klotron, Inc. 214.244.0979 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003
